who /level ∞/ here?

I do not even watch films or tv shows. They're all shit.

>>83942754
>Soderbergh more accessible than Aronofsky
this chart is shit

>>83942836
name 1 (ONE) Aronofsky movie more acessible than Ocean's Eleven

>>83943056
The Wrestler

name 1 Aronofsky movie less accessible than Bubble, The Girlfriend Experience, Solaris, Haywire, Schizopolis, Kafka, And Everything Is Going Fine, or Gray's Anatomy

>inb4 Pi
no

>>83943056
O11 requires understanding of Hollywood canon to get it. All of Afronoksyishjyk's films are more accessible than O11.

>>83943109
post profile soderfan :3

>>83943162
>>83915356

>>83942804
I think you may be on the wrong board then...

>>83943109
>>83943131
L M AO @ this delusion
O11 is standard normie fare - it's digestible on purely visceral levels to even people with the lowest cine IQ possible. The Wrestler is a "weird movie" by any possible neurotypical standards. people go into it expecting le epic wrestling and are hit with offbeat characters and depressing plot
disclaimer: i agree that soderbergh can be pretty fucking awkward when he wants to; that doesn't change the fact he's the one who was able to create succesful blockbusters out of these two

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>>83942754
Man Ray>all those name

>>83943249
did you like Allied

Literally anyone can just watch Mothlight and say they're level ∞

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>>83943269
Nope, this is the right place.

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who /∞+/ here?

>>83943437
this is a good thread though, don't bring up the cancer anime retards please

>>83943451
Bay is such a kinomaker though. 13 Hours was the best film released in 2016.

>>83943451
>straub-huillet below brakhage
*breathes in*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>83943383
i haven't seen it

>>83943371
you have a point, but ultimately you're just illustrating the problem with the concept of this graph/thread: accessibility has no correlation with talent or skill. Soderbergh at his most commercial is still making better films than Aronofsky at his most obscure.

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>>83943451
Man Ray>>>>>all those names

>>83943451
>Benning
>challenging

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>>83942754
This is objectively wrong.

Cameron should be at the very bottom.

>>83943581
Cameron is incredibly accessible though

>>83943485
yeah Barney should be lower

>>83943505
you can find his films on yt though

>>83943532
some of his movies are, you wouldn't say so?

>>83943610
He LITERALLY went to the bottom of the challenger deep.

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>>83943631
>some of his movies are
How so? Positioned static shots of environments is nothing new let alone difficult.

>>83943748
Those are not the ones I'm talking about, although they might be considered challenging for a different reason, I'm referring to Back/forth, 11x14, One way boogie woogie mostly where you're being challenged to think about your preconceptions on classical film narrative.

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>>83943840
>challenged to think about your preconceptions on classical film narrative
Marcel Duchamp did it better though

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>>83943451
bottom is my ideal shit
great taste

>>83944022
Duchamp is my man but Benning did it better

>>83944190
glad you enjoy Anon, you too

>>83944190
t. avant-teen

>>83943840
>>83943748
Landscape Suicide is one of the greatest moments in cinema history.

>>83942754
>warhol
isn't that kind of plebeian

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>>83944264
>Benning did it better
Nah. Cutting every second isn't anything new. Neither are static long takes of environments. You ought to learn the basics first.

>>83944411
Stop conflating who did first to who did it better, fucking intellectually stunted shit for brains.

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>>83944273
avant-master more like it
always ahead of you

>>83944329
>muh black insert frames

>>83944493
There's more to it than black insert frames.

>>83944329
>Landscape Suicide is one of the greatest moments in cinema history.
*cues five minute scene of tennis player returning serves*

>>83944542
What did Benning mean by it?

>>83944479
>muh critics
>muh essays
He really didn't do anything better.

>>83944490
I doubt you even know what a variable angle lens is

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>>83944513
Yeah like horrible acting

>>83944411
who cares if it's not new, those are not reasons why I like him anyway
I know (most) of the basics already tho

>>83944542
that scene reminds me of the ending of blow up

>>83944559
>I hateee american and european culture so much my faves? anything by the uncivilized collection :)

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Whoops, forgot to take the cover off the lens of my digital camera. But it's okay, I wrote an essay explaining why and what it reveals of the human condition. What you're seeing is a subjective long take, a technique I invented.

>>83942754
how pretentious and/or autistic do you have to be to like or pretend like any of that obscure shit?

honest question

it's like a framed shitstain being displayed in an art gallery and having a dozen hipsters pretend it's meaningful and profound

nerds gonna nerd

>>83944687
>who cares if it's not new
t. Richard Linklater lover

>>83944731
inb4 thread gets 300 replies because of your autistic screeching.

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>>83944735
This is what is considered good in art nowadays. Ultraminimalism. Trying is for plebs.

I've seen nothing from infinity, like 2 from level five, and an okay amount of 4.

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>>83944735

>>83944834
'Sup, embryo

>>83944799
traditional art is going to make a come back in the next decade
people are starting to get tired of postmodernism for postmodernism's sake

>>83944851
don't choke on your fedora

>>83944851
So if I make a 3-week static shot of my shit I'll have made the greatest film ever made

>>83944877
i just don't care about movies *that* much

>>83944992
Good. Films are mostly shit no matter what they are.

>>83944877
Being an embryo is thinking anything labeled experimental is automatically the greatest thing since sliced bread, especially if the "experiments" didn't do anything new formally.

>>83944785
But you see I created the greatest film ever made. The first subjective film.

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>>83944799

>>83944834
the best stuff is on level 4 in OP's pic, don't miss Rivette, Svankmajer and Parajanov and you're good

>>83945102
bottom most level has got Ruiz who is fuckign amazing

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>>83944799
Even in minimalism it's easy to tell the difference between good art and bad art. Hell, search google for Rothko pieces and if you have any aesthetic sense to you, you'll immediately be able to say "oh, I like this one" or "no, this is bad." That's the key to it - utilizing the pure aesthetic facts of art such as symmetry, color and space. Of course, in our post-post-modernist world no art exists in a vacuum and minimalism is purely superficial outside of the context in which it was made. The same applies to film; the best way to understand a film is to put it in context with the other works of the director and the director himself. Don't mock minimalism because you're taking it out of context.

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>>83944851
>>83944877

>>83945221
which film is that from

>>83943516
>>83943380
first day at film school, underage faggot?
Man Ray is mainstream as fuck

>>83945250
some behind the scenes documentary about Sanjuro

>>83945151
OP's pic doesn't hence why it needed an addendum, and agreed. Have you seen Manoel on the island of marvels?

>UH UHH NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT IT SO THAT MAKES IT GOOD AND MAKES ME SUPERIOR
These types of people always make me laugh. Maybe the reason no one knows/cares about your obscure shit is because it's... shit?

>>83945359
>>83945151
Manoel is the best thing. Just the best thing.
Proper release NEVER and that adds to the charm.
Does anyone know where I can find The Insomniac on the Bridge (L'Éveillé du pont de l'Alma)?

>>83945489
I agree with you 100%. So many of the "patrician" approved directors and creators on this chart just make boring garbage.

Why is Warhol on the list? For his films Sleep and Empire? Really?

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>>83945253
>mainstream
Then how come everything on this list >>83943451 is just on Wikipedia and in this collection?

>>83944490
Got bored of Griffith or something?

>>83945556
Not the other guy but Man Ray is really famous as an artist in general.

>>83943631
You can find S-H stuff on youtube too.

>>83944735
Hey brakhage is pretty cool

>>83945548
>he hasn't seen outer and inner space in 16mm

>>83945613
Apparently not famous enough to be on either list

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ITT

>>83945548
Empire is a meme

Had to write a paper on wavelength by Michael Snow...

>>83945489
>>83945548
t. can't read
it's an acessibility chart, it says nothing about inherent quality of said directors
sorry that triggers your insecurities

>>83945703
This is spot on. Tbh most of the time i bring up criterion movies so ppl think im smart.

>>83945720
what is your personal opinion of it?

>>83945539
I can upload it for you, just give me an email address to send it to.
It's been a while since I've seen a Ruiz might watch it tonight.

>>83945556
WTF are you saying?
Man Ray was one of the most famous photographer in the world at some point. There's nothing obscure about him, he was pals with fucking Dali.

>>83945760
>criterion movies
Criterion doesn't produce them you mong

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>>83945790
does it direct them?

>>83945556
>>83945674
kys

>>83945838
No Criterion is the guy who holds the boom mic.

>>83945779
Didn't know mainstream had anything to do with accessibility. Orson Welles's shit didn't make that much money yet he's all the way near the top of OP's list. Does David Lynch being mainstream suddenly make Inland Empire accessible

>>83945721
The level of accessibility is reflective of how shit their films are (for the most part).

>>83945772
Thank you!
[email protected]
vitus if this is you again I'll be chuckling

>>83945654
extracts not whole movies
Brakhage is the first experimental director ppl usually get into, particularly because of how accessible his films are, it's silly to argue that S-H aren't less accessible

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tfw the best ruiz film remains untranslated so only true patricians can appreciate it

>>83945861
Found the wikipediababby. Tell mommy to drive you to a museum. You most likely haven't been otside your house since school ended.

>>83945931
>Brakhage is acessible
critique Dog Star Man without googling the words of people smarter than you
you have 10 minutes

>>83945948
is that HOTSP? if not what is it?

>>83945910
I didn't say anything about accessibility. Mainstream refers to popularity, work that people is familiar with.
He was extremely popular in the 20s and 30s, and just because you want to impress some anonymous posters itt doesn't change that fact.

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>>83945925

I'm gonna email you and pretend to be the guy

>>83945910
>>83946000
dense motherfucker.
man ray is literally high school art class tier mainstream.

kys.

>>83942804
Literally this.

>>83946085
P U R E E V I L

>>83946056
If you're going to intrude other people's conversations make sure you know how to read first since you clearly can't read implications

>>83946022
I watch Dog star man a long time ago, I didn't like it very much (I don't like Brakhage that much in general) but I remember what I got out of it was a man going back to his natural roots and stuff about the universe, not much more to it than that
I liked Bruce Baillie Parsifal more

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>>83946100
And yet he goes over your head. Hmm.

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>>83946024
>HOTSP?
???

no its vanishing point haha

>>83946230
>that low-sentience "critique"
stick to capeshit, little kid

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>>83946211
I'm not intruding anything. You're only talking with me, and i'm responding your stupid answers.

Autistic fuck. Nice argument btw.

>>83945931
Nope, I watched the entirety of "Les yeux ne veulent pas en tout temps se fermer ou Peut-être qu’un jour Rome se permettra de choisir à son tour" on youtube.

>>83946343
Does your mom have to feed you? I was talking about you interrupting the previous posts. Nevermind, it's probably time for you to hourly nap.

>>83946379
>on youtube.
'Sup avant-teen. Ever been to Cinematheque Lisboa

4.5 here, and still need to watch a lot more of 3 and 4 before I delve any deeper.

>>83946340
Hypothesis of the stolen painting, looked like it from the still. Thanks for the rec, I'll watch.

>>83946342
I didn't put very much effort in my sentence since it really doesn't take a lot of brain power to understand Brakhage. He's the most entry level of all the American avant-gardeists, and if my analysis is wrong then prove it.

>>83942754
Jonas Mekas is better

>>83946502
That wasn't the contested point my man.

>>83946619
Dude 6 hours of homevideos lmao
(I did actually really enjoy As I Was Moving Ahead)

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>>83946443
Do you know you're in 4chan, idiot? An Anonymous based website?
You're not even giving up arguments, just dad joke level comebacks.

You sound even old, but reek of new, you should better go to >>>/r/eddit.

>>83942754
>Whedon below Snyder
shit list

>>83946646
He's a god. Too bad you can't comprehend him.

>>83946554
>I can't understand the filmmaking of brakhage beyond the most superficial, wikipedia-friendly trivia tidbits, so I can't give you a decent critique

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>>83946681
>directly lining reddit
This way newfaggot >>>/out/

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>>83946755
mekas is cute and all but his only great film is walden

>>83946778
I'm saying there isn't much to Brakhage except what I pointed out I can't write a 100 word essay on literally (almost) nothing, you're the one contesting that there's more to it than that, so go ahead and tell me what I'm not getting.

also Bruce Baillie > Brakhage

>>83946755
I said that I enjoyed As I Was Moving Ahead. Did you revert to illiteracy after reading the first line?

>>83946778
Brakhage's shit-tier, babby. Has nothing on Philippe Deloux Moreau

>>83946905
>muh mememaster

>>83946862
Funny you mention his most accessible one. Just admit you can't handle him and move on.

>>83946899
Enjoyment /= Comprehension

Learn to read, nigger.

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>>83946868
>I'm a low-sentience being that can't appreciate or engage art beyond the surface, therefore there's nothing there

I'm sure the hundreds of pages of academic writing on Dog Star Man are talking about " literally (almost) nothing"; also, all the film theory books around built around the work of Brakhage deal with " literally (almost) nothing"; and the thousands of lectures Brakhage himself taught on film are about "literally (almost) nothing". That surely seem more plausible than you being a clueless pseud demeaning something he couldn't even begin to appreciate.

>>83946905
Brakhage > Griffith

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>>83946990
literally home movies pleb, doesn't matter what guests appear on them

>>83945915
ok then Justin Bieber and David Guetta are the best current musicians because they are so well known and accessible got it

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>>83946964
Found the entry-level pleb.

>>83947031
>no u
kek

KEK

>>83947107
you missed the point of the movie. He made a big deal about filming with intuition, he spent weeks in the forest doing nothing but shoot on instinct literally invoking the idea of an animalistic nature. If you want to give it a post-modern treatment and read something else into it you're free to do that and so is anybody who writes essays about it, but Brakhage's intention was to do what I said, and I take his word over some loser on an anime forum who's so hypocritical he accuses me to engage in art on a surface level yet can't answer me what exactly it is that I missed in Dog Star Man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuSMaIVy9RU

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I just watched all of Tarkovsky's movies in a row.
What should I do now?

>>83947527
read sculpting time

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>>83947107
Andre Legrand>>>>>>Brakhage

>>83947111
Jonas Mekas experiments with subtle intonations of diagetic commentary and the documentary form. Muted colors are merely a symptom of his technique. Subtlety over flashing colors and bright lights.

>>83947251
is english your first language

>>83947937
please stop seething, it is unbecoming

>>83947958
answer the question

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>>83947754
>Jonas Mekas
>subtle

kek the """poetic""" inter-cuts look like 16yo goth poetry

>>83947991
he is from patricianland

>>83947991
no

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>>83948021
>tumblr

>>83948055
If he was from patrician land, he'd know the origins of this gif >>83947582

>>83948061
Looks like you're from plebland

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>>83948108
>so deep
>so poetic
>I'm 16 and my taste is literally superior

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>>83942754
>Ripping off /a/ this hard

Pretty pathetic, /tv/.

>>83944903
t.Clement Greenberg

Experimental film is my shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5P5vkegmvU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrl-66m9lO4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5gBQ9IrKQ (Tung)

>>83948193
>cherrypicking
>more tumblr

>>83948272
another Bruce Baillie fan! Welcome on board.

Bruce Baillie > Stan Brakhage

>>83948348
>American

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>>83948329
Tumblr is the best place to get screenshots retard
it's not cherrypicking when I can go on for days

>>83948272
>Experimental film is my shit! Baillie, Snow, Brakhage, Grandrieux, the list goes on...

>>83948272
another michael snow!
get on board i'll call it in

snow>micheaux

>>83948411
Tumblr is pure liquefied shit you fucking teenager.

>>83948460
Oh you seem pretty knowledgeable. Can you tell me the origins of this gif? >>83947582

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>>83948539
I agree, that's why they seem to love Mekas so much

>what did he mean by this?

>>83948348
Yeee what's your favorite film of his? I've seen the five films I posted as well as Here I Am, Little Girl and I Wish I Knew. Tung is still my favorite so far.

>>83948460
edgy

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>>83948624
>little girl
patrician

>>83948604
Grabbing quotes out of context really doesn't mean anything

>>83948624
Quick Billy
it's on yt in its entirety watch it asap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQZfvN6sG0U

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What does lbg think of cinema-pur?

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>>83942754
The only people care about this shit are people who aren't interested in film and have reduced it to a mere fashion accessory. Go back to letterboxd.

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>>83942754
>lost to the conscious of most mortals

You're gonna have to do better than that if you want anyone to believe you're smarter than them.

>>83942754
>Noe that low

Instant shit tier list. Noe is pretty much normie-hipster core

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>>83948741
the only one putting things out of context is Jonas Mekas

what's his endgame?

>>83942754
I've seen everything on the bottom and can verify it's all garbage.

>>83948781
watching now

>>83948907
No

>>83943451
>>83942754
>not posting the real chart with Wiseau at the very bottom

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who /fallen/ here?

>>83945772
Any chance you would send it to me as well?
[email protected]
Thanks

>>83942836
the chart is shart

>>83942804
accessibility has no correlation with quality

>>83942754
>no Nabwana
>no Wiseau

Shit list OP