Why haven't you watched this doco KINO /tv/ ?

>>83866979
T-THEY STOLE OUR WORD!

>>83866979
It's illegal in my country

>>83867010
What shit hole do you reside in?

>>83866985
What do you mean? You haven't watched it, have you?

>>83867028
>>83867010
Australian theatres are dropping it
here are some smug retards trying to interview the director about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvLsslFEv7k

>>83867436
cassie is so cute. there's an interview where she can't pronounce anonymity, and another where she can't pronounce ostracization. i think i love her

>>83867436
Aussie here

Our media and news networks are just as left-wing biased as usa

>>83867488
yeah her interview on the project is just as bad

>>83867488

>MSM
>left wing

kek

>>83866979
saw it. wasn't as revolutionary as people are trying to make it seem.

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>>83867436
>your movie is shit and mysoggyknees
>didn't even watch it
Jesus Christ, even CNN would at least watch the movie so they could take scenes out of context.

>>83867676
It's literally the first mainstream film to talk about men's issues.

>>83867676
Even just mentioning "hey, our boys are being abandoned in education and society is happening and a very bad thing" is controversial shows how fucked up things are.

>>83867436
fucking christ that was bad

Thank fuck I don't watch any free-to-air here at all.

>>83867436
I always thought that UK was the country of the freedom of speech, opinions, etc. since it's the anglo who invented liberalism.

>>83868016
UK is Orwellian as fuck now.

>>83867732
i get that, but it's not like it's an eye opening jaw dropping documentary directly correlating feminism or men's rights to a solution. it just shows how feminism is screaming loud enough to mask the voice of men's rights activists. it's like bowling for columbine; michael moore wasn't looking for a solution for mass shootings or quelling illegal firearm use. he just made a movie that examined the american gun culture. it wasn't revolutionary despite the concise flaws it points out in american culture.
>>83867773
just because it's controversal doesn't mean it's good. blackfish is a pretty much god tier examination of sea world's abuse of animals and unprofessional approach towards their trainers. it spun controversy to a level that made some people boycott sea world and its subsidiaries. but nothing ever happened to solve the issues pointed out by the movie. tilikum lived in his tank in solitary confinement until he died in january of this year.

>inb4 documentaries can't be revolutionary
exit through the gift shop is a shill of a flick and generated both love and hate for banksy himself. because of that documentary though, street art as a whole benefited immensely. without it, we would never have known about an art subculture that has a global breadth of influence on the art world.

>be american
>be male
>be born
>be circumcised
>have 1 in 7 chance of being zombiefied by ritalin as a child
>be forced to sign up for the draft if you want normal citizens rights
>be 99.99% of military combat deaths
>have 11 times more chance of dying at work
>be 77% of homicide victims
>have to pay on average double the taxes women do
>have 50% chance of being divorced
>have 85% chance of losing child custody
>be 97% of alimony payers
>be three times more likely to be homeless
>get double the prison sentences women do for the same crimes
>be more likely to be raped in prison than a woman is on the outside
>kill yourself at 5 times the rate that women do

>>83868016
>UK
>Australia

>>83867436
fucking hell, that was embarrassing. I haven't watched free to air in years, and after seeing this I'm glad.

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>>83868241

>>83866979
because its not on torrent

>>83868124
Exit Through the Gift Shop emphasized the commodity fetshism of the art world and in particular "street art".
Street art was a big deal before that film came out, the absurdity of Mr Brainwash taking off after the film was again an inside joke against the whole established art world.
If anything the Doc killed street art by highlighting it as a "trend" in art so blatantly.

Perhaps I am alone in my foreknowledge of street art before the film came out but street art was a growing Art medium since the early 2000's. To say this Doc benefited street art is deceptive because the overall intention I believe was Banksy showing us how fucking stupid people are for buying shit that's created for free...on the streets. Also how easy it is to copy paste a style of art and become popular through piggy backing of some names hence mr brainwash.

>>83868241
So what will you do about it?

There are great scenes where you see her feet

>>83868241
>>be forced to sign up for the draft if you want normal citizens rights

wait wut, amerikeks do this?

>>83867353
I think he means mra stole the word redpill.

>>83872830
Yeah, all dudes sign up for the draft. they send you a card when you turn 18 and you send it back.

>>83867436

That news show doesn't deserve to exist. What an embarrassment.

>>83866979
>expect it to shit on men per feminist status quo
>instead feminists shit on it for not shitting on men
And anyone who actually watches the movie wouldn't have a problem with it either way.
Why are people so prepared to be assblasted?

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>>83867436
fucking hell

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>>83867436
I'm really ashamed to be Australian right now.

I don't think any of these feminists even watched it. The documentary highlights the issue of feminists crying so loud to the point where MRAs are humiliated and ridiculed for pointing out men's issues...and the feminists are proving that that effect exists from their reactions and actions taken against the documentary.

What the fuck

>>83868124
>i get that, but it's not like it's an eye opening jaw dropping documentary directly correlating feminism or men's rights to a solution. it just shows how feminism is screaming loud enough to mask the voice of men's rights activists. it's like bowling for columbine; michael moore wasn't looking for a solution for mass shootings or quelling illegal firearm use. he just made a movie that examined the american gun culture. it wasn't revolutionary despite the concise flaws it points out in american culture.
Has it occurred to you that you don't think this documentary is anything special because you already know the subject inside and out? 4chan is not the intended audience, normies are.

>>83873597
So most Feminists are massive fucking retards. I never would have guessed.

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>>83866979
I did, and it's actually really good and eye-opening. I'm a lefty, but I've always considered myself just an egalitarian and thought MRAs were just the male version of feminists. Seeing this film and then looking further into MRAs made me realize that the men's rights movement isn't nearly as bad as feminism is.
Seriously, go watch this. It's on Amazon Prime now I think, or you can stream it elsewhere.

Also pic-related is an actual quote from the movie. And it's not some tumblr SJW, she's a really important feminist leader.

>>83873597
Holy fuck that is stupid.
All this delicious irony and it's so far over their head it might as well be the moon.

>>83867436
What a fucking embarrassment

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>>83866979
Anybody who has ever wondered why there is a men's rights movement or can't understand why MRAs and feminists don't get along needs to watch this film. The director was a feminist who wanted to expose MRAs for being misogynists, but once she learned about MRAs and feminists she stopped calling herself a feminist

>>83866985
>>83872863
Oh wow do we have the director of the Matrix in our thread?
kys, "red pill" was being used before 4chan even existed.

>>83867010
Sweden?

>>83873704
They even debunk that notion that only women get beat up in domestic violence situations. Women are *slightly* more likely to be the victims (33.3%) than men (25%) but feminists act like "lol men getting beat up whatever"

>>83866979
I honestly believe this movie is a huge tipping point I'm the gender wars. It's finally bringing these issues mainstream, and normies are learning that men have issues too and that feminism is a load of shit.
This is the beginning of the end for feminism.

>trying to validate your poorly educated view this hard

woah... so this... is the power of drumpfkins

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>>83866979
http://theredpillmovie.com/screenings/buy-rent-stream/
in case anybody wants to find out where you can stream it

>>83868124
what are you talking about? The film is getting mainstream coverage of serious and important issues that have never received mainstream coverage before. It is giving attention to a movement that has previously only been subjected to lies and slander in the media. It's exposing feminism, a popular and influential movement, as the hateful cult that it is. This is absolutely groundbreaking and will have HUGE impacts.

>>83874795
This. Feminism can't recover from this. Men's rights is going mainstream, feminist bigots are exposed for what they really are. Feminism is about to crash hard

>>83874827
I'm a Bernie Bro who very reluctantly voted for Hillary. Warren Farrell, the leader of the men's rights movement, endorsed Hillary and donated to her campaign.
Hillary was extremely sexist though, so yeah a lot of people who support gender equality were obviously put off by her. If she ran against anybody but Trump I wouldn't have voted for her

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>>83866979
because the feelings police wont let me watch it

the video diary stuff was shit
and it didn't really have any substance - I heard a little bit about most the issues and didn't get any new insight by watching that documentary

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>>83866979
I saw it, was pretty hard hitting for me and made me think less of Freedom-Land. Things aren't nearly as bad in the UK for men.

>>83875283
>Things aren't nearly as bad in the UK for men.

lol

>>83874973
yeah sick one, have a bump

>>83875317
This SJW shit has penetrated far deeper into America than any other country. It is the birthplace of it, after all.

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>>83868016

anglos are about economic freedom

>In a traditional German toilet, the hole into which shit disappears after we flush is right at the front, so that shit is first laid out for us to sniff and inspect for traces of illness. In the typical French toilet, on the contrary, the hole is at the back, i.e. shit is supposed to disappear as quickly as possible. Finally, the American (Anglo-Saxon) toilet presents a synthesis, a mediation between these opposites: the toilet basin is full of water, so that the shit floats in it, visible, but not to be inspected. [...] It is clear that none of these versions can be accounted for in purely utilitarian terms: each involves a certain ideological perception of how the subject should relate to excrement. Hegel was among the first to see in the geographical triad of Germany, France and England an expression of three different existential attitudes: reflective thoroughness (German), revolutionary hastiness (French), utilitarian pragmatism (English). In political terms, this triad can be read as German conservatism, French revolutionary radicalism and English liberalism. [...] The point about toilets is that they enable us not only to discern this triad in the most intimate domain, but also to identify its underlying mechanism in the three different attitudes towards excremental excess: an ambiguous contemplative fascination; a wish to get rid of it as fast as possible; a pragmatic decision to treat it as ordinary and dispose of it in an appropriate way. It is easy for an academic at a round table to claim that we live in a post-ideological universe, but the moment he visits the lavatory after the heated discussion, he is again knee-deep in ideology.

>>83875397
It's seeping over here. I'm hearing more and more 'white-male' slurs, and the tranny worship can only spread like incurable disease.

>>83875283
Oh sweetie, no.

>>83873597
>Palace Kino
So are you faggots the ones who invented that shitty meme? Not surprised

Why is this trash being spammed here? Is it viral marketing?

>>83876916
t. butthurt white knight

>>83875397
Judging from this movie, Canada is the worst. Some of those people at the anti MRA protests weeeeeew lad

>>83875397
>>83877625
Canada, especially Toronto, is very bad. And Australia had several theater showings of this movie shut down by feminists.
UK is more mixed, MP Phillip Davies just got reelected despite being publicly anti-feminist and regularly talking about men's issues. He even convinced Parliament to recognize International Men's Day.
Also, Prime Minster Turnbull (Aussie) and Trudeau (leaf) are feminists, and Obama was too.
>>83876916
Regardless of your views, to is a groundbreaking documentary and is one of the most important docos of the last decade. It's pretty popular, #1 documentary on Google Play for several months. >>83874827
>drumpfkins
Actually a ton of MRAs are liberals, a lot are even former feminists. And this movie was made by a feminist (who stopped being a feminist after making this).
Drumpfkins don't own the phrase "red pill"

>>83872830
when you register to vote you register to fight at the behest of the globalists.

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I watched it

it spends a good amount of time making a very strong case for real issues being left unadressed by mainstream feminisms, and takes great pains to say "just because there are some crazies associated with men's rights, doesn't mean it should be dismissed out of hand" and finds worthwhile, defensible points in objectively reprehensible attention whores like Elam.

Then it immediately falls into the exact same trap and starts perpetrating the exact same bullshit that it claims MRA's are the victim of, by trying to paint all of feminism as a monolithic evil and demonising its proponents.

They specifically show that even an abbrasive, questionable public figure like Elam who trades on drama has some points of interest to offer and then when the time comes for them to show who's on the other side of the debate they present them as absolutely indefensible trolls.

The movie disappointed me in that way, because it ensured that the genuinely necessary conversations it claims to want to start (about men in the legal system especially as relating to parental rights, for example) will continue to be ignored by association.

what did you think about it, OP?

>>83866979
Childless versions the documentary. I got better stuff to do like drive my lambo and sniff gal gadot's underwear

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>>83878046
back to leftypol

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>>83878135
lol what?

>>83878046

Perfect Description. Well Done.

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>>83878046
>feminism
>not evil

>>83866979
Because 'men's rights' is something that isn't being challenged right now so why do I care?

>>83866979
I honestly think it's a good thing that no one cares about men complaining. It reinforces my sexist views that we still have traditional gender roles and should abide them. Men shouldn't complain about stuff and women shouldn't be useless whores.

When you ignore the complaning men it just gives strength to my prejudice.

>>83872830
Do other countries not have forced conscription? Cuz yeah in the US males still have to register. It was last used in Vietnam, where things of men were forced to go for simply for being male.
All part of our male privilege!!!

>>83878349
Why are jews so evil?

>>83878566
>things
= thousands

>>83878046
OP here. I disagree since she does interview many feminists (from Ms. magazine and such). It's just that everyone she interviews on that side comes across as way less sympathetic since they are either shrill or smugly dismissive of anything MRA in general. Or the one guy that thinks MRAs are all misogynist assholes despite seemingly never having a conversation with them to hear their grievances. The thing you have to understand is that liberal causes (and conservative ones too to be fair) are dependent upon money from both independent and corporate donors so a lot of these information peddlers have to adhere to a certain narrative in order to exist. No funding, no organization, and Mr. and Ms. Feminist loose their jobs.

>>83878046
The MRAs who hate women are extremists. The feminists who are anti-male are leading feminists. Katherine Spillar and Michael Kimmel, two of the feminists in the film, are big names and not extremists SJWs by any means. All feminist organizations are anti-male. I live in Canada, where our feminist PM just said that he's giving almost all foreign aid to women, while men/boys get nothing, and feminists celebrate it.

Look at the reaction to this film from feminists. It's a hate movement anon. It's not fringe feminists that are the problem, the whole movement is shit

>>83878135
she has pretty eyes.

>>83878566

Many countries have forced military service which often lasts up to a year without any real pay.

>>83878586
I don't know anon good thing you're here to fight them

>>83878627
Luckily feminism and men's rights are largely irrelevant issues in society, which is why politicians almost entirely ignore them

>>83878720
>she

>>83878767
lol, hope you're being sarcastic

>>83878734
Shalom.

>>83875283
You're an idiot.

>>83878046
Feminism is cancer.

>>83878767
Wait until you're old enough to have children and you realize that if your wife leaves you, she gets the kids

Is this movie about Laci Green and how she took the redpill?

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>>83873850
>MRAs for being misogynists

As a Doctor, I can confirm this.

>>83880490
I have a friend who is a lawyer and they told me that the gender bias in custody is a total myth. The bias is actually on employment. Keep crying, bitch nigger.

>>83873219
Because they feel powerless.

>>83881071
I too have anecdotal evidence. My friend is a lawyer and says that the gender bias in custody battles is true.

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>>83878566
Until the Vietnam War draft American men who could be drafted who weren't even old enough to vote.

But we're supposed to feel all bad that women weren't guaranteed the right to vote until 1920.

>>83878046
>Then it immediately falls into the exact same trap and starts perpetrating the exact same bullshit that it claims MRA's are the victim of

Not true. Feminists have established credibility that goes largely unquestioned exactly for the reason you think is "bullshit," they coalesce into a monolithic order and demonize their opponents. The kino in question has no ability to demonize them back because it doesn't represent an unquestioning social order. The order has been questioned. That is "the red pill."

>>83878627
>>83878686
what I'm saying is the interviewed feminists are treated completely differently than the interviewed MRA's

The MRA's who hate women are indeed extremists, but Elam is actually one of those extremists. It's not something you'd know just from watching this movie, because the doc (constructively) chooses not to portray him as an unhinged and hard to deal with person, but instead focuses on the parts of his position that make sense.

When they go to the feminist side of the table, no such concessions are made. They try to portray themselves as just looking to open a dialogue, but disproportionately choose not to allow the viewer to see the equally real issues that attract people to feminism in the first place. I think this is counterproductive, because it means any viewer who consider themselves feminists feel unrepresented in this portrayal and see it only as an attack.

>>83882765
I actually am saying exactly that the movie does a good job of pointing out that MRA's are treated as a monolith, and demonized, and that this isn't conducive to a healthy dialogue. I'm 100% in agreement.

What I'm pointing out, though, is while they're making that point they literally make the same mistake towards feminism. People aren't drawn to these groups, Men's Rights or Feminism, by trickery; they find their way into them because they perceive issues in their surroundings and want to work towards addressing them. Until both sides can accept that of each other, all "debate" around these things just sounds like point-scoring and name calling. What was most disappointing was by taking this position they ensure that people who are already MRA's can nod their heads and ask "why don't those people see these obvious problems" and people who are already in the feminist camp can shake their heads and dismiss this as another propaganda attack and in the end we're all just sitting here with the very same problems never actually entering the mainstream public discourse.

>>83883397
This is a movie about men's issues so the discussions with feminists focused on that, and the fact that feminists (not just extremists) want to sit down discussions of men's issues, refuse to admit that men have real problems, and that men are also raped/abused.
Feminists and MRAs agree on women's issues, so the film focused on what they disagree on and why they are enemies: Because MRAs support equality and feminists don't

Stop with this false equivalence, the film portrayed both movements the way that they are. MRAs are not against women's rights but feminists are against men's rights

>>83866979
>Reddit Pill

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>>83866979
As true as stuff like this is I hate seeing it.

Because it reminds me how much the world sucks.

>>83885387
This
>Brother tries to preach me the Redpill gospel and tells me about the threads on reddit
>Flip through a Redpill book he has
>"Act like an asshole and who doesnt care and women will flock to you. Act more macho than you are so you can intimidate other men."
Kooky shit.
He was an alchoholic for years who had just gotten out of jail, so I guess he gets a pass.

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>>83884869
There's no false equivalence being made, I'm just talking about what the movie is doing.

It says
>MRA's aren't just a bunch of detached and dellusional men
>MRA's have legitimate points that need adressing
>MRA's get treated like a big group and refuses to acknowledge the legitimate issues it raises and it is destructive to the public discourse

which are all important points to make.

unfortunately, while making it, it also makes the very same mistake and treats feminism like a big group and refuses to acknowledge the legitimate issues it raises.

If the point was to get people talking to each other so we can finally actually start talking about these issues with the intent of fixing them, then this was a mistake.

If the point was to just create another piece of media that will widen the divide between people's discrete experiences to open the door for point scoring on an issue that should be universal but instead will be politicized so it can be exploited into Yet Another Us Versus Them "Debate"™ then job done.

My disappointment with the documentary came from assuming they were trying to do the former and coming away with the impression they were shooting for the latter.

The legal system's issue when it comes to parental rights is real and needs to be addressed.

The problem of public resources and support groups being disproportionately available to victims of abuse and the like is a real issue that deserves to be addressed.

I think both those issues are deserving of a movie that can actually be used to raise awareness and affect change, and I was frustrated that this one came so close but took the easy path so readily.

>>83885387
>>83885551
t. bluepilled cucks

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>>83885587
I'm not used to seeing actual discussion on /tv/. This is jarring!

>>83866979
Because Netflix is full of pussy SJWs who wont release this film on their service.

>>83866979
Where can I watch it for free?

>>83873704
Who gets beat up by a girl? Seriously?

>>83885604
I don't know what that is.

>>83885604
Upvoted.

>>83866979
I do mean to watch it OP, I just keep forgetting it exists.

t. Chad with shit to do and kinos to watch.

>>83885587

based review poster.

this is 100% the films critical failing and why, while interesting, it does more harm than good in the current political climate. Not because it's wrong but because championing the doc as a "must see" opens the entire thing up to
>treats feminism as a monolith therefore
>insta-ignored/ridiculed
by the very masses you want to effect.

>>83866979
Le Reddit Pill. Le Atheist.

>>83886064
Shut the fuck up, holy shit.

>>83867676
This.
also, I can't explain why, but something about the whole thing felt slightly off, I don't think we got the whole story.

>>83886140
Reddit has more clout than /pol/ , faggot. Keep sucking up their scraps.

>>83886197
Why do you choose to talk like that? What's wrong with you?

>>83886386
I don't want my 4chans to turn into the campaign headquarters for faggots.

>>83886064
>>83886197
>>83886426
t. white knight doormat

>>83885655

Generations of men who have been brought up to believe that it is never okay to hit a woman no matter what the situation and a society that will shame and prosecute a man simply for defending himself

>>83885645
>>83885651

Just pay the five bucks or whatever to Google or Amazon. At least (some) of those shekels are going to a good cause.

>>83886426
>>83886514

You think just because you're on 4chan you get to talk like a 12 year old? Grow up.

>>83886547
B A S E D

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>>83886597
I guess that should be part of the community guidelines then, right, Redditor?

>>83885587
But feminism is a monolithic group, considering the fact that the director was turned into a fucking feminist pariah and you had feminist groups actively trying to prevent it from getting it made.

I believe you are wrong though, The objective was to reach regular ppl who are not related to neither movements.

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>>83885645
>>83885651
I believe it was just released on Amazon Prime so if you have that you should be good. Or just pay to stream it it's $4-5

>>83885587
What specifically did you want them to address? This was a movie about the MRM and about men's issues. It wouldn't make sense for them to talk about women's issues (beyond the MRAs saying they acknowledge that women's issues are important too, which they did many times).
So what "legitimate issues" should the film have addressed, while keeping on topic about MRAs/men's issues?

The facts are: MRAs support gender equality for both sexes, while feminists support women's rights and oppose men's rights. That is what this film showed. The point of the film was to give a fair and balanced look at how both movements view MEN'S ISSUES, what do you object to about that?

>Yet Another Us Versus Them "Debate"™
It is an us vs them debate. How is it not? MRAs want to address the legal system's issue when it comes to parental rights, feminists oppose them. MRAs want to address the fact that male victims of DV and rape don't get support, and feminists are opposing them on that. MRAs believe that men's issues are real and should be addressed, feminists do not.

The divide is already there. This film just put it on display, and made it clear that the divide has nothing to do with MRAs being misogynists (which is what feminists claim the divide is) and everything to do with feminism being a man-hating cult that constantly tries to shut down discussions of men's issues. Wanting the movie to show anything other than that is dishonest.

>>83885587
Jesus, this post is Facebook-tier.

>>83866979
Is it actually worth watching or is this thread just here to generate arguments

>>83887592
Every thread on 4chan is just here to generate arguments.

>>83887592
watch it. it's not a complete waste of time.

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>>83883397
>they literally make the same mistake towards feminism
What "mistake"? MRAs are unfairly demonized, and this film showed it. Feminists are commonly viewed as fighting for equality when in actuality they oppose equal rights for men. The film showed that too. You seem to think that MRAs and feminists are both just two good groups of people who misunderstand each other but that's not the case. MRAs understand that feminists hate men. Feminists understand that MRAs support gender equality. They understand each other fine, and that's why they don't get along
>MUH MONOLITH!
just because you can point to Christina Hoff Sommers or a couple of other good feminists doesn't change the fact that the majority of the movement fights against equality for men, and it's fair to portray feminism that way in the film.
One of the MRAs, I think it was Marc Angellucci (VP of NCFM and an MRA lawyer), even said that he doesn't think all feminists are bad, just the ones who are leading the movement and affect policy. IE, all of the feminists who actually matter and make a difference are anti-male, so the fact that some random feminist who doesn't actually do anything doesn't hate men isn't relevant.

You have this idealized version of feminism where you think that they're fighting for the same thing as MRAs and the two should just get along, but I'm sorry that's one of the red pills you need to take. Feminists are actively fighting against men's rights, and whatever good they are doing for women doesn't change the fact that they are anti-male. While MRAs are not anti-woman and many have even fought for women's rights (with many being ex-feminists)

>>83885387
>there are people on /tv/, a board dedicated to movies, who have literally never even heard of The Matrix and think reddit invented the term
This site is 18+ anon

>>83887670
>MRAs are unfairly demonized, and this film showed it.
lmao, this is why no one listens to you. Literally nobody is contesting this bit and it's a terrible starting point for your arguments.

>>83886682
>>83887481
I'm making an overlong two part comment on something I've already very clearly spent way too much time typing, but you guys are suckering me into it by coming across as completely reasonable people who have put in work and critical thinking on the issue so I keep wanting to continue to try and explain my perception of the issue and why I think the movie undermined itself through the position it chose to take.

This is where I most strongly disagree: I don't believe it makes sense to say "MRA's shouldn't be defined by its least reasonable points, but feminism should." Both groups are composed of individuals who have been drawn into their respective organisations over a few key issues of personal importance to them. Individuals from both groups, seeing from the inside out, can recognize the ideological diversity within their own group, and see the "opposing" group as defined by nothing other than their desire to oppose. It's an easy position to take and it's one that gets exploited by unscrupulous power-seekers in order to rally support at the expense of any actual progress being made, because it means that everything's just going to be about manufactured mutual exclusivity of issues that should be universal.

The feminist response to the movie, in that same way, was a self fulfilling prophecy. We already know that when you claim a group is a homogeneous pool of People Who Are Not To Be Reasoned With, you're shutting down discourse and risking losing sight of the very real issues that draw people to that group in the first place. Not only do we already know it, but the movie literally tells us this is happening and it's a problem! A lot of the movie's runtime is specifically dedicated to that concept.

>>83888090
And then it forges ahead and does exactly that, having just educated the viewer on how doing so will essentially prevent the other group from being able to ever have a real chance at accepting your points. All my posts have been saying that the most frustrating thing with the movie is that it brings up important points and does so in a way that makes them impossible to actually get discussed. The objective being to reach "regular people" is quaint, but nowhere near as valuable as the ability to get the people who are facilitating these issues to recognize them head on.

The vast majority of people want to work towards what they believe is good for society. If you show them that something is wrong and that they can help they will want to. It's what gets people involved in both these groups in the first place. It's ostensibly what convinced the director (the documentary's narrator) to join the cause, too. However, if you show them that something is wrong but then immediately put them on the defensive by telling them they're fucking everything up, they're evil, and they should abandon the group they've chosen isn't going to do squat other than make them back up and further entrench themselves in the dogma of their group, while demonizing yours. Again, the movie literally shows us that this is its issue with feminism. It says the biggest problem with feminism is that it refuses to acknowledge the value of ideas and issues that come from outside feminism, and it actively views those criticisms as hostile. The movie is completely right about this. But then it sets itself and the viewer up to make the exact same mistake.

I agree with the movie's thesis that dismissing the ideas based on who brings them up is a big problem in public discourse today. I was disappointed that the movie wasn't diligent in ensuring it contributed to a healthy public discourse.

>>83867476
do you mean ostracism, anon?

>>83886682
Feminism is not a monolithic group. The feminists that actually hate men are few and far between but it doesn't appear that way when your only exposure to feminism is screenshots of Bashit crazy kill all men cunts posted on 4chan and right leaning media. Feminists can't even agree on whether women should be sex positive or not. Another example, many domestic violence groups and shelters do not allow trans women to join and many do. It's just as divided as any other political movement

>>83867436
what the fuck

>>83888090
>I don't believe it makes sense to say "MRA's shouldn't be defined by its least reasonable points, but feminism should."
That's not what we're saying. What we're saying is "MRAs and feminists should BOTH be defined by what the majority of their members believe"
Majority of MRAs support equality, majority of feminists don't. It's as simple as that, and yes it is a false equivalence to pull the "both sides are the same it's just the extremists that are bad" bullshit. MOST feminists think that men's issues shouldn't be talked about, MOST feminists think that domestic violence is just "wife-beating," MOST feminists oppose the very idea of a men's rights movement

Either learn what the fuck you're talking about or GTFO, because you don't know shit about feminism if you think that most feminists support the MRAs core message. The men's rights movement was started by feminists who only stopped being feminists after it became clear that most feminsits are anti-equality.

>>83888275
That goes for you too. If you think most feminists support equality you don't know shit about feminism. Do you think VAWA >>83873850 or this shit >>83887670 is just "extremists"? Fuck no.

>>83888515
Just having a discussion no need to get all cunty about it m8. Do you actually have any evidence that the majority of feminists don't support equality?

>>83888755
The reaction to this film. The feminist opposition to things like International Men's Day. The fact that most feminists still support the Violence Against Women's Act. I don't have peer-reviewed citations to back that up but if you've talked to enough feminists you can see that while the "KillAllMen" man-haters are a minority, the moderate feminists who don't "hate" men still don't support equality either.

Do you remember Emma Watson's speech? Where she talked about how feminism was for men too? It was all bullshit. She was promoting the sexist HeForShe campaign for UN Women. That's where most feminists fall: They'll tell you that feminism cares about men, like Emma Watson is, but when it comes time to supporting campaigns or action, they want one-sided action like HeForShe that favors women over men

>>83888893
If you don't have peer reviewed studies to back that up why should anyone believe that statement? Some of the highest profile MRA voices literally hate women but I don't consider the majority to be supporting a hate movement.

>>83889002
You don't have any peer reviewed studies to support your view.
Most MRA leaders and organizations support equality. ZERO feminist leaders or organizations do. Name one of you disagree, you can't. So AT BEST you have a few random unknown feminists supporting equality, but none of the leaders. We have a ton of anti-male legislation passed by feminists, and where are the feminists speaking out against it? Talk to me when MRAs pass a "violence against men act" or a feminist PM gives all of Canada's foreign aid to males (Trudeau is giving 95% of aid to women/girls and calling it a "feminist plan")

>Check to see if they're any screenings in Canberra
>None

Anyone knows how can I watch it?

>>83889188
See >>83874931
It's streaming on several sites for like $4, also it's on Hulu+ and Amazon Prime (but not Netflix).

>>83889188
Why you wanna be mad, fool?

>>83889002
To be fair feminists have a monopoly on gender studies so the lack of peer review is really their fault.
But the bad feminists have a lot of influence on government, laws, and Universities that I don't think you can say they're a fringe minority, since if they were just a fringe and most feminists supported equality then we wouldn't have so many anti-male laws being passed or anti-male politicians being elected in the name of feminism

>>83867436
Still not as bad as a recent report on the AB fucking C of all networks complaining about how chink foreign investors had to pay more money to buy Australian property. I absolutely despise this backwater, I cannot fucking wait to leave.

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>>83889002
>If you don't have peer reviewed studies to back that up why should anyone believe that statement?
>pic and links related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0MLyFHTSu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgawQL-BuVc&list=PLYidWJkKcvE-MsMPuSpklWzsN_2ixCUbx&index=7&t=192s

>>83867436

Jesus christ

>>83867436
>>83889392
O'Keefe used to work for White Ribbon, a feminist organization that agrees with pic-related in >>83873704 about domestic violence.

>>83867436
I fucking hate the pandering, mentally-bereft media that we have in Aus. They are decades behind.
They obviously had an angle to slander before they'd started and she deflected their attacks superbly.
>Hadn't even seen the film
Bet their producer was sour after that interview

>>83889122
What are some examples of anti male legislation and what's your metric for equality exactly?

>>83889374
That's true probably the same for sociologists I guess I'm just confused as what the metric for equality is. Unless your doing polls on specific issues like custody I think if you polled people who identified as feminists on whether they believe men and women should get equal treatment under the law most would agree with that. Not trying to be a dick here trying to have a discussion in good faith.

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>>83889629
not anon you talking to but relevant pic

>>83889442
I'm not watching a 2 hour video nigga Just find a study. The study in the second video is about the ratio of dems to republicans in universities which has nothing to do with what I was asking.

>>83889828
Thanks m8

>>83889777
>Unless your doing polls on specific issues like custody I think if you polled people who identified as feminists on whether they believe men and women should get equal treatment under the law most would agree with that.
This is where you are having the problem. You think random joe and jane matter. Only thing that matters in movements or governments, or other large organizations is who are the leaders. The only time the randos matter is when they change who is in charge. Feminism is not changing who is in charge and the people in charge are not good people.

>>83885587

>treats feminism like a big group and refuses to acknowledge the legitimate issues it raises.

Name three """legitimate""" issues feminism raises in Western countries

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>>83867436
Poor Cassie, she has more patience than I ever will.

>>83890026
Assault and battery
>Most victims of assault are male
Murder
>most victims of murder are male
Domestic violence
>least common in male homosexual demographic, but still an issue
Pay gap
>wages are the same by law
representation
>women acclimate toward different jobs vs men, have diversity hire advantage
health services
>more health services dedicated to women
social services
>more services dedicated to women

hmm nevermind

>>83889882
>I'm not watching a 2 hour video
Don't really blame you but i'd advise checking through the TL;DR catalog. He has shorter vids and many are relevant to your line of question, even if indirectly.
>The study in the second video is about the ratio of dems to republicans in universities which has nothing to do with what I was asking.
Except does has to do with what you are asking. it shows both
>>83889374
>>83889777
are speak truth when talking about how peer reviews really are not worth much and the 2hr vid talks about how a literal shitpost made it through the peer review process because it sounded like feminism.

>>83889828
Here's the thing.

Legislation that helps women get into college or land jobs in male dominated fields isn't trying to take jobs away from men who deserve them more.

Gender roles and societal norms have actively discouraged women from pursuing certain fields, things like this just level the playing field.

I agree with everything else but this one issue is always blown out of proportion.

The majority of upper management positions will always be held by men.

The richest people in the world will always be men.

And if more women pursue scientific fields and make more ground-breaking discoveries then humanity as a whole benefits.

>>83889961
That's a fair point. I think the biggest issue I have with the MRA movement is that a lot of you guys make it really difficult to have an open and honest discussion. 4chan and reddit MRA supporters are very quick to shutdown anyone who's even skeptical of the what the movement stands for. So many times someone will just say GTFO CAR cuck etc etc without even trying to have a dialogue. I won't deny for a second that feminists do essentially the same thing with different language but it makes it really hard to find the movement accessible. If more people in the MRA movement gave thoughtful replies like you and some of the protesters featured in this documentary (I'm halfway through it) you guys could have a much bigger platform. The online presence of both feminists and MRA is just unbearable most of the time.

>hear about redpill
>check out the subreddit
>see it's filled with a bunch of cringey men who appear to have spent most of their life's getting bullied and are trying to be a fedora wearing alpha

I hope the documentary isn't like that subreddit.

>>83890238

It has nothing to do with it at all. That is a PUA subreddit.

>>83890226
>Legislation that helps women get into college or land jobs in male dominated fields isn't trying to take jobs away from men who deserve them more.
>Gender roles and societal norms have actively discouraged women from pursuing certain fields, things like this just level the playing field.
>things like this just level the playing field.
Except it is not leveling the playing field. What it is doing is raising one side above the other. If you want to level a field you remove obstacles not build more.

>>83878686
Source to the foreign aid part?

>>83890226
>Gender roles and societal norms have actively discouraged women
Perhaps. But often women will acclimate to certain jobs just as men do. You think that women would love to be a sewerage worker or a garbage worker or a removalist? Or would they be more interested in teaching, social services or midwifery or aged care as they (generally) have a enhanced proclivity for nurturing and empathy relative to males?
To prescribe all disparity in career selection a by product of societal pressure is short-sighted, it doesn't think about the very strong factors of the biological basis of behaviour and then to legislate based entirely on the former only serves to create artificial competition in sectors that don't need it.

>>83890238
Honestly it's Le Reddit: The Movie guest staring Tumblr

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>>83890232
My brain fried so this is my last post and forgive my bluntness, ire not meant for you
>4chan and reddit MRA supporters are very quick to shutdown anyone who's even skeptical of the what the movement stands for
Most people they meet that act skeptical are just looking for GOT'CHA moments or are shills. Easier to just write off everyone then look out for that 1 in a thousand person being legit. (pic semi related)
> If more people in the MRA movement gave thoughtful replies like you and some of the protesters featured in this documentary (I'm halfway through it) you guys could have a much bigger platform.
The MRA could have a bigger platform if the entire MSM didn't spend all its time on the MRA demonizing the MRA and calling them "literally Hitler", and the whole book of -ism (racism ect).
Every stance the MRA officially stands on is misrepresented, strawmaned, or other wise dismissed because "privilege."

>>83888515
i agree with this partially.
most feminists (as well as most people in general):
-don't have much of an issue with circumcision of male babies
-don't care about the draft
-don't think too much about the unfairness of child custody for men

however, i think that if your average feminist (or normal person) were to be made aware of these issues, and genuinely thought about them, they would come to the same conclusion as most MRAs: that that is inequality

i think feminists believe in equality, they just don't know what is and isn't unequal for men

>>83891476
>Every stance the MRA officially stands on is misrepresented, strawmaned, or other wise dismissed because "privilege."

Well yeah.

What were you expecting?

Political discourse in 2017 is just people attacking caricatures, it doesn't matter if it's right or left most people ignore facts and just scream shit about the fucktards that make movements look bad.

>>83891655

the childish shit you care about is indicative of why no one should ever pay attention to your group of fuck ups. you sound like an adult child.

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>>83891704
you're trying too hard niBBer

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>>83890226
If less qualified women get jobs over more qualified men because of feminist quotas, that doesn't benefit humanity.

>>83890232
>4chan and reddit MRA supporters are very quick to shutdown anyone who's even skeptical of the what the movement stands for
because the skepticism is unfounded and we're tired of hearing your lies. Scientists are quick to shut down people who are "skeptical" of evolution or flat-earthers. Do your research and you won't be skeptical

>GTFO CAR cuck
"cuck" is an anti-MRA insult. It's used by /pol/tards and the like. The leader of the MRM (Warren Farrell) is literally raising another man's children.

>The online presence
sure. But the offline presence of MRAs is just people who want to get rid of traditional gender roles and support gender equality. Whereas the offline presence of feminism is still absolute shit.

>>83890238
Matrix came out in 1999. Thanks for letting us all know that you're an underage newfriend from Reddit though

>>83890588
Lazy. But there's a thread on >>>/news/ and you can google it. It's being celebrated as a feminist foreign aid policy, while feminist apologists ITT try to claim that feminism is all about equality

>>83891655
>however, i think that if your average feminist (or normal person) were to be made aware of these issues, and genuinely thought about them, they would come to the same conclusion as most MRAs
sure, that's exactly what happened to the feminist who made this movie. And then she had to stop calling herself a feminist. The real problem is most feminists don't WANT to be made aware of the issues. It's why they're protesting this film instead of watching and learning. Most feminists don't hate men, they're just brainwashed members of a cult. But the feminist movement as a whole is anti-male, and until the "moderate" feminists are willing to inform themselves instead of remaining ignorant, they share the blame

>>83892035
>sure, that's exactly what happened to the feminist who made this movie. And then she had to stop calling herself a feminist. The real problem is most feminists don't WANT to be made aware of the issues. It's why they're protesting this film instead of watching and learning. Most feminists don't hate men, they're just brainwashed members of a cult. But the feminist movement as a whole is anti-male, and until the "moderate" feminists are willing to inform themselves instead of remaining ignorant, they share the blame
Don't mean to denigrate but that sounds exactly like what a tumblr feminist would say with the nouns reversed

>>83891476
I'm too stupid to understand this picture, can someone explain to me?
They're funneling traffic to reddit and 4chan to voice shilled dissent against person x?

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>>83892151
The difference is MRAs can back up our claims, feminists can't. Look at this thread:
>>83892035
>>83887670
>>83874931
>>83873850
>>83873704
all anti-male shit coming not from Tumblr SJWs, but from feminist governments and feminist leaders. Now ask a feminist to give actual real examples of MRAs opposing women's rights.

MRAs can also give actual real evidence of sexism against men, as you can see in this film. Which completely kills the feminist claim that men don't have issues. Meanwhile, there is no flip side because not only do MRAs acknowledge women have problems, but many MRAs have even fought for women's rights. Erin Pizzey in the film created the first shelter for battered women.

Feminists can make the accusations all they want but unlike MRAs, they don't have any evidence or examples to back it up. Feminists are using strawmen when they criticize MRAs, while MRAs are using actual examples of respected feminist leaders to criticize feminism

>>83892035
>The real problem is most feminists don't WANT to be made aware of the issues.
I don't know if that's the case. In order to become a feminist or MRA, one must be convinced that there is sufficient inequality for it to be required.

Consider how permeated with feminist ideas our culture is: the suffragette movement and the fact that women used to not receive equal pay are very well known, and basically every public figure on TV will claim to be a feminist. This makes it literally no work at all for someone to decide to become a feminist. They know about the inequalities women have faced, and are likely to also believe in various inequalities that exist today, whether real or not.

On the flipside, in order to make the decision to become an MRA, one requires to do research, or experience male inequality themselves. The amount of research required may not be that much, but it's an entry barrier. And i think this barrier is the main reason for the problem the MRA movement has. People do not want to research for themselves, they want to be told. And there are an awful lot more feminists that are easily found telling their side of the story than MRAs doing so.

>>83892515
That's a good point. It surfaces a deal of cognitive dissonance and reduces mental ease which is often refuted outright by dismissing the alternative notion, in this case MRA vs feminism (not that they are diametrically opposed but rather feminism would dictate the lack of need for MRA, at least as perceived by the layman. ) So the emerging thought process is heavily scrutinized or rejected outright without any kind of entertainment of the notion.

>>83892603
>That's a good point.
>/tv/ - Television & Film
what timeline is this

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>>83892515
>The amount of research required may not be that much, but it's an entry barrier.
That's a fair point, but at this point the amount of research is literally just watching a 2 hour video. Which most feminists aren't willing to do. I've tried talking some feminist friends into watching it, but they're so convinced that they're right they can't spend 2 hours to learn that everything they've been told is a complete fucking lie

>>83892673
idk, this is usually a shit-board barely above /pol/. I've had a lot of great discussions on 4chan but few of them on here

Also is this just a feminist hate thread now? Pic-related. That's not some tumblr bullshit, that's the US Navy. Every sailor is required to take a course learning about how domestic violence is caused by male privilege and misogyny.

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>>83892874
That's based off the Duluth Model. Feminists introduced in the 80s and spread it everywhere.
But remember, feminism is for men too!!!

>>83892874
it's uncomfortable to consider the notion that you are wrong. it's not that they are lying to you when they say they believe in inequality, it's more that they've lied to/deluded themselves with the simple thought of "it's probably misogynistic bullshit" and then gone about their day. very easy to do, much more comfortable and less time consuming than watching that silly misogynistic woman hating documentary

>>83892035
>>83890588
>Lazy
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/06/09/trudeaus-new-feminist-plan-commits-95-of-foreign-aid-to-gender-women-and-girls-by-2022.html

Just one more recent example of how those "crazy tumblr SJWs" run the fucking world and use their hateful ideology to shit on men. Somehow I missed the feminists criticizing Trudeau over this bullshit.

In my country women can't be sentenced for life. Also you have no right do defend yourself with weapon if a woman attacks you. 66% of judges are also women. You will never guess the country.

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>>83867436
>>83867629
just as bad desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vFpbjTaEYs

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>>83892965
>>83892965
I can see that. But that excuses individual feminists for being brainwashed, but it doesn't change the fact that the feminist movement is a hateful cult. Just because most feminists are ignorant followers of that cult doesn't change that

Also pic-related, feminism works really hard to spread their propaganda, and as we can see from this film they work hard to censor the truth

>>83893158
oh right yeah, i agree, feminISM is shit, i'm just saying #NotAllFeminists i guess because i think it's important to understand that feminists are people so people can try to understand their point of view so that it can be broken down with one that makes more sense.

>>83893238
I can get on board with that

>>83893099
Spain?

>>83890238
It says at the end that that subreddit is "the bad MRAs"

>>83888515
>A majority of THEM think THAT, but a majority of US feel THIS
That's just not reality man. That's the impression of an MRA looking from the outside in.

Regardless of your opinion, you can at the very least observe that feminists believe that they are the ones who represent equality and that the majority of MRAs are unhinged people undermining the goal of egalitarianism. You are simply experiencing the mirror image of that. You are in exactly the same position from the other side.

For as long as you vehemently reject that simple reality you're exclusively going to find yourself confronted with feminists who are equally unwilling to confront their same issue because neither of you are putting in the work to address it which will preclude you from being able to ever talk about the issues either of you ostensibly find so important.

And that's the fundamental failing of this movie, too.

>>83885587
Because modern days western feminism doesn't fight legitimate issues anymore. MRA fights many men's death threatening issues, while feminist movements fight for free abortions, against mansplaning, "patriarchy", rape culture and other dumb shit. They don't fight for lives anymore - they fight for comfort, dominance and funding. That's why they come as weak and dismissive..

>>83893368
No, it's not even the bad MRAs. They actually hate MRAs. /r/TRP is like /pol/, they think men should have to be real manly men not like the beta cucks in the men's rights movement.

>>83867732
>mainstream
Lol

>>83892947
>"Making all the big decisions"
90% of all consumer spending is women lol. Women have the final say on buying houses, cars, homeware, furniture, etc.

>>83873461
Whose man's this

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>>83893512
>not reality
yes it is. You're one of the brainwashed idiots anon, deal with it. Try doing some research and maybe in a few months you can realize how shit feminism is, like the feminist who made this movie did (and like literally everybody ever who researched this)

>You are in exactly the same position from the other side
EXCEPT WE HAVE ACTUAL EVIDENCE DIPSHIT. How many times do we have to repeat ourselves? Yes, MRAs say X and feminists say Y. The difference is: MRAs can prove X, while feminists are talking out of their ass and have no proof of Y. Stop with this false equivalence bullshit. Read this thread at least if you're too lazy to do any other research, because other anons have pointed this out too. There are plenty of examples of MRAs who support equality, no examples of feminsits who do. MRA philosophy is backed up by facts and reality, feminist philosophy relies on censorship of opposing thoughts because they don't have any way to defend their stance

>>83893112
The public forum in today's age is a complete pendulum swing from the 50's and 60's. Thanks to females controlling the consumer economy by a vast vast majority everything including commercial media caters to women, and you can see it plainly in interviews such as these.
>>83893512
I think the preface of her saying she advocates equality and feminism, at least in the ideological sense, is warrant enough for her legitimization of the female plight.

>>83893112
>Australians are against the movie because Australian of the year was the mother of a boy was murdered
What the fuck are they talking about.

>>83867436
>Why didn't you do this?
>I did it's in the film.
>Oh I haven't seen it.
>Really? I sent you a copy. You can also buy it off google play . . .
>*angry interrupting noises*we tried that, didn't work
>. . . .
>So why didn't you do this?
>I did, it's in the film.
>But why did you ask these people and not those people.
>I did, it's in the film
Holy Mother Mary and Joseph. Australia, you guys need to reign in these idiots. Cassie has the patience of a saint.

>>83893971
It's obvious how this happened. The executive producer of this show is a 34 year old camp gay boy and obviously had an SJW agenda to attack the film, their interviewers just weren't ready for an actual rebuttal

>>83894038
They probably could've anticipated her rebuttal if they actually watched the film instead of making themselves out to be vindictive, pious, assholes.

>>83868241
... Anon, the draft has been amended to include females now. Using it as a men's rights issue is officially outdated.

That being said, pretty much everything else in your post is on point and sums up my main issue with feminism, which is that many are negligent in discussing men's issues at all. However, most men I've seen bringing up these issues do it for the sake of disregarding the idea that Western women go through sexism at all, which makes it harder for them to be taken seriously... but then again, they do this because Western feminists often disregard what men go through... so yeah, both sides need to calm the fuck down, hear each other out, and find a solutions to each other's problems instead of participating in this never ending "who has it worse" circle.

>>83866979
because I'm not a fat neckbeard fedora MRA.

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>>83892278
>They're funneling traffic to reddit and 4chan to voice shilled dissent against person x?
Yes and the right side is a compilation of people they have attacked. Depending on your involvement with different circles you may recognize them. The easiest example in there is PewdiPie. The WSJ(Wall Street Journal) tried to brand him a Nazi over out of context bad jokes.
They say whatever is convenient for the situation they are in, in the moment.

>>83874973
Warren was probably just trying to be pragmatic, naively thinking that endorsing Hillary would legitimize MRA and win brownie points

Naive Acquiescence

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>>83889274
>(but not Netflix)
Not really surprised. Especially after that Amy Schumer stand-up bombed they got rid of the rating system.

>>83883397
>the equally real issues that attract people to feminism in the first place.

Like what, manspreading?

Bikini armor in video games?

Attractive female models in ads?

Having to pay for abortion pills?


What crisis are women facing in the West?

>>83894598
Explain to me how this is the product of feminism. One of the most common complaint I see among them we who identify as feminist is the absurd double standard between female stat rapists and male ones.

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>>83894741
>One of the most common complaint I see among them we who identify as feminist is the absurd double standard between female stat rapists and male ones.
You going to have to use better english, I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

>>83894598
keyword statutory rape. The child may or may not have been groomed for sex, or may have consented on their own accord. Yes it is illegal, but the framing of rape in this context is incorrect.

>>83878586
jewish leaders like billionaire sheldon adelson, michael bloomberg, and mark stern of the American Jewish Committee (AJC), have all come out in favor in what has traditionally been looked upon as sexual depravity.

even elena kagan at the supreme court (yes, jewish, and an alleged lesbian) has been known for "queerifying" harvard when dean of the law school introducing transgender law courses.

two jewish groups in particular, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), together with the American Federation of Teachers, have been promoting the homosexual agenda in our public schools. Books like "Daddy's Roommate: Ken", "Daddy's Wedding: Daddy Marries Ken", "King and King", are part of the ADL's early learning program. Molding the minds of impressionable little children, who accept and embrace deviant sexual acts.

But jews prefer sending their to private schools. it gives their children better standing for admittance to Ivy league colleges and shields them from homoseuxal propgoganda.

>>83894217
https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Women-And-Draft

You still might be right though. Everyone knows government websites are like twenty years out of date.

>>83866979
I thought this movie was much better than I thought it would be

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>>83886197
>>83886386
literally lol

>>83883397
You betray your bias and ignorance by demonizing Elam. He's only guilty of taking a hard stance, which nowadays means you hate women I guess. Just because he's willing to draw a line in the sand and attack anyone who crosses it doesn't make him a bad guy.

>>83894741
Why are you making things up? Feminsits never complain about double standards that favor women. They either ignore them, or say they're justified because "well women are still oppressed in pretty much every way and have been for all of human history so we deserve this".

>>83867436
>Da Red Peele
I love Australian accents, oh muh goid.

>>83893660
>>83893519
There are absolutely still reasons feminism is still a movement in three US, and a lion's share of them have to do with reproductive rights and sexual education or the absolutely hilarious lack of them. The reason they make for such convincing recruitment tools is exactly because of how legitimate a concern it is.

You are spending a great deal of energy binding yourself to a simple fact: people who join these groups don't do so for no reason. You don't consider yourself an MRA for no reason. It wasn't something you just picked up out of boredom one weekend. You saw something that you thought was frustratingly fucked up and thought there has to be someone else who can see this shit, or something that can be done.

That's exactly what's happening on both sides. For as long as you fight to deny that fact, both movements are weakened and serious issues go unaddressed.

>>83898010
Oh there's a good reason feminism is more powerful than ever in the west despite women having no reason for it, and it's none of the stupid bullshit you just said.

It's the industry of outrage. Countless people, politicians, businesses, internet bloggers, general activists, ect have built their entire careers off of selling people a sense of righteous indignation. They NEED to convince women (and whiteknight men) that women are still oppressed and need MORE privileges and protections and laws written for them or else they would get those womens votes, or their donations, or their attention, or whatever they need from them. And those customers happily pay, because they're absolutely addicted to that sense of righteous indignation.

So they work together to set up a self propelling cycle of lies for both of their mutual benefit.

>>83898010
Name one reproductive right that women don't have in the western first world. And why do you think it's the state's job to teach sex?
Feminism is solved. There's basically nothing left for them to tackle anymore which is why they have to go after how people sit on buses and offensive comedians just to have something to do. But women, like any demographic of humans, love power and will do anything to acquire said power. The only reason they have a leg to stand on is because of people's willingness to bend over backwards to keep women happy and protect and defend the helpless maidens. As much as they complain about it, women LOVE that the damsel in distress effect is deeply ingrained in the human psyche. Without it their movement would fall apart immediately.

>>83867732
>>83867773
What men's issues?

>>83898189
>Name one reproductive right that women don't have in the western first world.
Does abortion count? Because they seem to be losing that in the US, and it seems that the Republican Healthcare plan wants to include pregnancy and Caesarean section as a preexisting condition

>>83898219
So you're just spewing bullshit then. Thanks for confirming.

>>83898219
What the flying fuck are you talking about? Where in the US is a woman not allowed to get an abortion?

>>83898252
No doubt he talks about free abortions and free contraceptives for women.

>>83893112
pretty terrible, but nowhere near as bad as >>83867436 was.

>>83898252
It's not that they can't do it but Republicans are doing a lot of red tape that is shutting down clinic's. But some states are waiting for federal approval so that they can outlaw it

>>83898286
>if the government won't give me something for free then I apparently don't have the right to it and need a massively gigantic movement to control nearly all media, government, business, internet and culture to push the narrative that I'm completely oppressed in every way and basically a slave

Oh women.

>>83898219
Abortion, a right that women have and isn't going anywhere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade
but if a man doesn't want to raise a child he has to pay support regardless
shot yourself in the foot there

>>83898191
The right to not have their penis mutilated at birth for no reason.

"My body my choice", apparently a right only for women, in regards to an issue that they aren't even actually being denied a choice in.

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it's funny, I wanted to go see this when it first came about, I live in Ottawa and the local theatre shut it down because people were protesting over it.

I never got to see it.

>>83898286
This is the left's most subtle trick - they pretend that just because you don't want to subsidize something that you're against it on a fundamental level. It's insidious because it not only makes their opposition look controlling and unreasonable, it co-opts the impoverished and needy into the argument against their will.
If I had a nickel for every time I've seen them ask "Why do poor people like conservative values so much when it hurts them?"
Because they know that they'll be the ones bankrolling people with less responsibility than them.

>>83898375
I didn't say they lost the right yet, I said that they where on their way. With all the red tape they put on clinic's and the new Supreme Court might just overthrow the old decision

If you don't want to raise a child or pay support then don't come inside.
>>83898376
>The right to not have their penis mutilated at birth for no reason.
It's American tradition, you have something against tradition.

But seriously the parents can stop that at any time, if that happens to you them you either have irresponsible parents or Jewish parents

>>83898470
If you don't want to be pregnant then don't let someone come inside

>>83898470
Please tell me you're just a troll.

>>83898528
That is indeed a fair point, but both parties have to offer agree to that.

>>83898470
>let's get mad at a problem that has not yet come to pass
>lets ignore this problem because it's been happening for so long (which is actually only about 100 years or so)
Really fires up the ol' thinkerator

>>83898575
My point is that you have no reason to complain about abortion """rights""" being taken away, when the woman can just not let people come inside.
I mean, that is clearly enough reason to deny men an equivalent

>>83898564
No, why would I be?
>>83898646
First of all recognize a joke when you see it. Second of all I'm not really sure if anyone is ignoring the Circumcision issue, I feel that it leans more towards that nobody cares. At least in America, but perhaps you can learn from women when it comes to raising your voice and getting something done.

But I'm not even sure how you where able to apply to "my body my rules" to a baby and an adult.

>>83898670
I'm not complaining, but
>when the woman can just not let people come inside.
Sounds a lot easier said than done. Honestly who is going to listen to that during the heat of sex and when coming inside feels a lot better.

>>83898784
But a man should be expected to or face paying for a child he doesn't want for 18 years?
Why, do you think women have less impulse control or something, that's pretty fucking sexist

>>83898730
I think I'm gonna go have a daughter and then cut off her clitoris.

Lets exchange contact info so I can come cut yours off too.

>>83898836
If you come inside then take responsibility, have a talk with you girlfriend or wife about how you aren't ready for a child yet. These things needs to be worked out, if neither wants a child then fuck like rabbits and abort as much as you like. If only one wants a child then try to avoid having sex
>do you think women have less impulse control or something,
Of course not

>>83898730
>raise your voice
>ignore the people actively demonizing and campaigning against you because you dared to raise your voice
Can you be any more of a hypocrite at this point.

>>83898844
I'm not sure what point your trying to make but you failed spectacularly

>>83898916
Well that just means that you don't know how to use your voice to get things done, or are you telling me that women are for Circumcision?

>>83898939
It's a tradition. One I'm starting right now.

>>83898965
That certainly sounds an awful lot like victim blaming.

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>>83867488
>American media and news networks
>Left wing biased
Lmao

>>83868059
You have no idea what Orwellian even means

>>83898987
Right you missed the joke as well, well let me make it clear to you retard.

I am not for Circumcision, in fact you should get rid of it or allow only Jews to do it. But other then that get rid of it, and if it happens to you then blame your parents for not stopping it. It's their job to stop it
>>83899006
No it just means that your crap at something

>>83898897
What if the woman wants to keep the child and the man doesn't want a child, wants a financial abortion?
What if the man wants the child but the woman wants to abort?
Why are your responses different?
Because assuming I've been replying to the same person this whole time you say the fact that abortions MAY be restricted in future is justification for a movement that actively supresses a movement discussing awful things happening right now, but when I mention how men have no abortion equivalent (what feminists would describe as no reproductive rights, if it were a woman in question)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_abortion
you reply with an empty platitude that you then dismiss when it's returned to you here>>83898784

>>83899025
One channel, and it gets the ratings it does based on the fact that it's the one non-left wing news network.

>>83899080
>What if the woman wants to keep the child and the man doesn't want a child, wants a financial abortion?
>What if the man wants the child but the woman wants to abort?
Work it out with your partner

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>>83899116
>One channel

>>83899078
This is a feminist everyone.

She looks at helpless infant boys have the most sensitive part of their bodies tortured and permanently mutilated to never again properly function and laughs about it as a joke. Dismissing anyones issue with such a situation as their own fault and saying absolutely nothing should be done about it because "it was the parents job to stop it" as if it was an automatic process.

This same person claims they are fighting for "gender equality", and that feminism totally helps men too.

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>see a political thread on a non-political board
>instantly open it

>>83899247
I also thought the supposed "joke" was strange. An odd combination of "I was only pretending to be retarded" and just completely misreading the atmosphere.

>>83899143
So you're saying the woman should need consent from the father in order to get an abortion, wow anon that's a rather extreme position even for 4chan.
Or maybe you're just avoiding what I'm really getting at like a coward.

>>83899247
If we can't laugh at the suffering of others then we wouldn't have comedy in the first movie place, and don't you try to play the morality police.
>Dismissing anyones issue with such a situation as their own fault and saying absolutely nothing should be done about it because "it was the parents job to stop it" as if it was an automatic process.
Wow you really can't read can you? Well let me tell you one more time
>I am not for Circumcision, in fact you should get rid of it
And if it has happened to you then tough luck but you where in no position to stop it, only your parents where.

Why are you so upset anyway. Did someone chop your dick?
>>83899355
>So you're saying the woman should need consent from the father in order to get an abortion
Yes, pretty sure she has. And in the case of a one night stand or fucking a random stranger then don't have sex in the first place

>>83898410
burchase it on youtube or something senpai, it's real cheap

>>83899149
niBBer Sky isn't right wing

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>Work for the main mental health lobby group for the Government
>Massive focus on fighting for male mental health issues
>MRA's make our work a living nightmare by being sperging fuckstains who only care in reality about harassing feminists and crying about why women aren't 1950s housewives anymore and the decline of "masculinity" and make us all like complete nutters actually trying to get more funding for issues like male suicide prevention.

For the love of god, please don't actually side with MRA's, they're absolutely fucking nuts and do untold damage to actually getting issues addressed in a serious fashion not to mention the shit they spout is absolute fucking toxic bullshit that throws fuel on the fire.

Sites like A Voice For Men and people like Elam are a blight upon my work and this shitty film should go fuck itself for trying to portray them as anything other than edgy sad /pol/faggots who cynically use serious issues to push their fucking retarded worldview.

We have a serious opiate and economic crisis spiraling out of control in rural areas and you go on any of these "Mens Rights" Subs and all they are doing in whining about feminism and a "decline in masculinity". They should go fucking die in a fire.

>>83900923
You seem upset anon

>>83900923
it's almost as if you're a burthurt feminist stawmanning people you hate

>>83900923
>Side with the Feminist Government
>Don't make our "work" harder
>Don't interfere with feminists agenda

Sure hebrew, will do.

>>83900923
you're talking about the "red pill" cucks on reddit? they just talk about how they despise women, they don't care about men's issues. many actual "MRA"s are completely rational from what i've seen. as always, loud idiots manage to ruin everything.

>>83875435
Kek

That shit about women tricking men into having a baby was terrifying, makes me want to get a vasectomy and never telling anyone.

who am I kidding tho, women don't want me....

>>83875435
Underrated desu

>>83890226
>Gender roles and societal norms have actively discouraged women from pursuing certain fields, things like this just level the playing field.

But the problem is that level the playing field often means strive for equity which is completely untenable considering it completely ignores the biologically instantiated differences between women and men. It is a social constructionist viewpoint that only works when you assume that human behavior is completely and only dependent on environment. There are multiple organisations in Stem fields at university pushing for 50/50 representation as far as gender is concerned ignoring the fact that women just don't seem to want to go into these fields, tax payer money is going into campaigns to get women into STEM (specifically the very male dominated ones) that are not working.

>>83867436
Wow. You can see how much she's struggling to keep being nice to them in her expressions. Asking her questions about her film but refusing to watch it is disgusting, they don't even want to hear her talk, they've already made up their mind about her.

"Really interesting discussion" morons

I'm interested in watching the film. Is it on YT?

>>83894445
neither am I. I'm a /fit/fa/ MRA

>>83894741
feminists have shut down discussions of female rapists and male victims. Also see >>83892035
Academic feminists won't even call it "rape" when women force men to have sex, so all of the rape statistics feminists use don't include most female rapists and male victims.
And the absurd child support laws are a product of feminism, and even trying to discuss legal parental surrender is anti-feminist

>>83895106
Regular rape victims have to pay child support too. There was one case where the woman even admitted that she raped an unconscious man intending to get pregnant, and he still had to pay child support. These are feminist child support laws and it's feminists who oppose reform

>>83898010
But people who OPPOSE feminism do so for good reason: Because feminism is anti-male. However, people who oppose MRAs do NOT have a good reason for doing so, because MRAs are NOT anti-woman.
This was a film about men's issues, stop trying to make it about women's issues. They addressed feminism's stance on men's issues, which is shit, because it relates to why feminists and MRAs disagree with each other.

>>83898219
most MRAs are pro-choice though so that's not a reason why MRAs and feminists disagree. This was a film about MRAs, why the fuck would you bring up feminism's views of abortion in that? Did you even watch this movie? Do you have any idea what it was about? IT WAS NOT ABOUT FEMINISM YOU IDIOT! It's about the men's rights movement. Feminists weren't on there to talk about unrelated things they were on there specifically to talk about their views of MRAs. The film did an excellent job representing how most feminists feel about the topic of the film.

>>83898897
>If you come inside then take responsibility
>If you let him come inside then no you don't need to take any responsibility at all
equality? And as discussed elsewhere even male rape victims or spermjacking victims have to pay

>>83900923
>spreading bullshit lies in a thread like this and expecting not to get called out
I don't have time to get into it but everything you said is utter bullshit and you haven't even watched this film. Fuck off back to Tumblr so you can keep preaching about how women are the only ones with issues while claiming you care about men too

>>83900923
Everything you said is a lie and you should go die in a fucking fire because assholes like you are the reason men's issues, including suicide/mental health, aren't taken seriously.
CAFE, a Canadian men's rights group, recently joined a charity run to raise money for men's mental health. Feminists had a fit and tried to get the organizers to ban CAFE. Fortunately feminism is losing power so CAFE was allowed to raise money for men's mental health, even though people like you didn't want them too

>>83888121
no, i meant ostracization. either is valid

>>83900923
>>Work for the main mental health lobby group for the Government

You don't though. I hope you don't. You sound like the exact type of person that shouldn't be working on mental health. I hope you kys.

>>83899055
It mean horses and pigs etc can speak. What did you think it mean, shitlump?

>Documentary made by a female
>Half the documentary is her video blogging about it
hehehehhe

>>83899149
Only fox and fox business are right wing.

FOX is left-wing and sports obviously dont have a political bias

>>83873704
lmao men get "beat up" by women alright

>>83903248
You can pay for it on YT or other streaming sites, and it's on Hulu and Amazon Prime
>>83908118
Some men will even pay for it ;)
But seriously yes DV against men is a serious problem, despite what feminists tell us

>>83908895
It's not, just look at the injuries sustained. Women can't hurt men they have the power of children.

>>83909043
Men make up 40% of the victims injured. Stop believing feminist lies. When a man isn't allowed to defend himself, women can easily do damage. And obviously she can use a weapon

>>83909255
Look at the severity of injuries, stop believing woman are just as strong as men. The women have their tantrum and men let them.

>>83872830
Yeah but it doesn't mean you always will get drafted.

>>83868124
Sea World is stopping their killer whale shows anon.

>>83908895
Can I watch it for free somewhere?

>>83909043
Women usually use weapons.

>>83867436
>waaa waaa it's illegal
>some theatres are dropping it

You are the worst type of retard

>>83898010
There are valid reasons for supporting feminism, and there are a lot of valid reasons for opposing it as well.
There are valid reasons for supporting MRAs... but if you want gender equality, there are no valid reasons for opposing them. That's the difference and this film shows that.

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Back to /pol/ you identity politic loving fucks

>>83910772
Bumping just for you
Also /pol/ is one place that hates both feminists and mras

>>83866979
Is it that good?

>>83910772
What's wrong with identity politics?

>>83911361
TRP isn't about MRA's per se

>>83912846
It's literally a documentary about the men's rights movement, it's entirely about MRAs