Who was/is the best American director? My vote

>>83852500
Kubrick

Nolan

Snyder

>>83852579
Sterile, horrible action, pretentious

>>83852579
>Nolan
pleb also isn't that cunt is a brit?

>>83852631
>>83852639

Nevermind I change my vote to Tarantino

>>83852639
wat

>Best Ever
Scorsese
>Best now
Steve Mcqueen.

>>83852639
He's trans-Chicagoan

John Huston
John Cassavetes
Terrence Malick

It's Coppola

DW Griffith

Ford
Cassavetes
Peckinpah
Altman

>>83852702
Steve McQueen is English

>>83852832
>Coppola
name one kino of his? (dont say godfather like a normie)

>>83852867

Literally who?

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>>83852500
mfw no one has posted david fincher

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Welles or Ford

>>83852938
>david fincher
pleb

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>>83852927

>>83852927
John Ford

Zack Snyder

>>83852878
The Conversation

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>>83852956
Thanks anon

>>83852500
Spielberg

>>83852500
That's a solid fucking vote

I'd say either him or John Ford

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>>83852878
The Magnum Opus

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>>83852867
>Peckinpah

Mah nigga

This might be my favorite movie ever. It's violent, desparate, outraged, sensitive and beautiful

>>83852938
Fincher r carp

>>83852702
>Scorsese
>hasn't made a good movie in nearly 20 years
>McQueen
>british and shit

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>>83852867
>>83852779
these are both correct choices

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DW Griffith

Made over 500 works and perfected an entire medium

>>83852500
Coppola or Kubrick

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>>83852867
>>83852974
>>83853552
Ford copied Griffith

Howard Hughes

wyler
lumet
wise
stroheim
walsh
kubrick
kazan
avery
keaton

>there are plebs itt voting for Kubrick, an emotionless inhuman machine of sterile geometry and as cold as the void of 2001

>>83853735
Seriously?

Joe Swanberg.

>>83853774
He's nowhere near as good as the directors he regularly praised like Tarkovsky, Altman, Bergman and Spielberg

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>>83853724
All garbage except Stroheim and walsh.
>avery
>>>/co/

The General was already done before Keaton but nobody did Griffith before him

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>>83853813
What did Altman do new that wasn't already done by Jean Renoir and even further back, Griffith

>Bergman
pic-related. existentialism was already covered in the 10's even by other swedes.

>Tarko/v/sky
Long takes, nonfactors, virtuoso camera movements all Griffith and a whole host of other silent directors. But Griffith invented the soft focus for the "dreamlike" shit.

>>83853724
>American

>>83853921
Yes they were influenced, but the styles and subjects they became known for were their own.

There's a quote by Tarkovsky that was like "Although I very much admire Kurosawa, Bergman, Bresson (and others) I will never try to emulate them because to do so would mean not having my own voice"

>>83853969
The shit he did wasn't new though. Intolerance, Citizen Kane, Abraham Lincoln 1930, The Patriot 1928, and Phantom 1922 did his schtick ten times better

>>83854085
Are you talking about the overall look/style or the subject matter? Because many of those movies did nothing that Tarkovsky tried.

It's like saying "No one can possibly make a good action epic or political movie because Griffith made Birth of a Nation"

>>83853596
>>83852864

beat you to it

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Deserves a mention.

>>83854158
A neurotic woe-is-me director with little to no cinematic flair or invention

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There is only One

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American directors have to embody America - being a Chad and a pseudointellectual

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>>83854153
>No one can possibly make a good action epic or political movie because Griffith made Birth of a Nation
Might as well not even try to. Everybody knows film peaked by 1939

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>>83854153
>Because many of those movies did nothing that Tarkovsky tried
What did Tarshitsky try. Long takes already done in silent era, remembering one's life done a million times since the beginning of cinema, using different tints for different time Griffith, existentialism in the '10's, all been done before.

>>83854583
Do you watch any films made after 1910?

>>83854583
>short films

>>83854672
Yeah but anything after '39 is just a guilty pleasure with a few exceptions

>>83854864
Shorts from the silent era are A-OK under certain circumstances.

>>83855211
>I only read Sumerian shopping lists, anything after that is just a rehash

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Griffith was a pioneer and master of tableau-style cinematography. He made images worthy of being hung on a wall

>>83855211
>I don't look at any picture past the daguerreotype
>everything after is just derivative trash

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Now the adjacent comparison

>>83852500
In terms of innovation, Griffith. In terms of largest quantity of great films, either Altman or Huston. But my favorite living American filmmaker is Paul Schrader.

>>83853921
>existentialism was already covered

>Existence's biggest questions, the only truly important ones, were 'already covered.'

>>83855211
wow what a sad existence

>>83855344
name one bad film by dw griffith

>>83855265
>>83855295
This is why film will never be art. The "patricians" are too busy playing cartoons and videogames while ignoring the history of the medium. Meanwhile fans of literature gladly read Sumerian and Greek works.

Also, film was created during the industrial age. It rapidly evolved and arguably stinted. This is why you see so many flicks before the 50's that never move on the recent Sight and Sound poll.

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>>83855362
Name an existentialist film that did anything new. Wild Strawberries was already done in 1920

>>83855410
>This is why film will never be art.
Because people like you proudly say that everything is shit after the initial innovations?

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>>83855362
King Vidor already answered pretty big questions

>>83855410
>Meanwhile fans of literature gladly read Sumerian and Greek works.
They also read stuff written after 300 BC you know

>>83855410
This is why film will never be art. The "patricians" are too busy saying film peaked in 1910 while ignoring everything that happened after that.

>>83855410
>Meanwhile fans of literature gladly read Sumerian and Greek works.
Except no one think that Sumerian works are the pinnacle of the literature, you dumb shitposter

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>>83855344
>Griffith
>not both
I can guarantee you've never seen more than 5 Griffith features. He made over 500 works and not a single one bad with each of them being a milestone benchmark. Altman has tons of unoriginal shitty tripe like that fucking 80's buddy movie he did and Popeye. Huston's alright but Maltese Falcoln was already adapted in 1931 better and Raoul Walsh is far superior in directorial skill

>>83853545

Wolf of Wall Street and Silence are two of Scorsese's best

>>83855344
I haven't seen a bad one, but I've seen a miniscule amount of his filmography. My point is he invented and reinvented constantly throughout his career. Comparing his films to those by modern filmmakers is an exercise in futility.

>>83855571
see>>83855624

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>>83855541
No one said film peaked at 1910 except for you though. I said 1939 was a golden year.

>>83855513
>>83855565
Sure but most consider Ulysses the greatest piece of literature meanwhile Griffith released the filmic equivalent years before it was even written

>>83852878
Rumble fish

>>83855571
we get it man. now go away

>>83855614
No

>>83855658
>Sure but most consider Ulysses the greatest piece of literature

I'm just jumping in here but please don't talk about subjects you know little about.

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>>83855649
Yeah I know he's >>83855624 right. Griffith was a peak for the medium

>>83855571
>He made over 500 works and not a single one bad
Here we go, this guy's seen Griffith's lost films as well

>>83853921
overlapping dialogue

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>>83855658
>mfw reading that pile of utter drivel that was Gravity's Rainbow

Frank Capra.

>>83855658
Can you post Griffith's Lolita? I need a fap.

>>83855707
Don't imply anything past Ulysses could possibly be considered the greatest work of literature, plebbit. I'd say it makes you look dumb, but I realize that's your median mode.

>>83855658
Why do you hate cinema?
Why do you want everyone to hate Griffith?

>>83855759

Don Quixote and Moby Dick are far, far more valid choices than fucking Ulysses

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>>83855722
That shit was done in 1929 by Mamoulian, babby.

>>83855772
>anything past
Looks like you can't read. And you've only proven my point more.

>>83852500
Picking just one is impossible.
Top 5:
Fuller
Welles
Scorsese
Malick
Hawks

>>83855658
>meanwhile Griffith released the filmic equivalent years before it was even written
Which is?

>>83855758
Griffith never made garbage, sorry not sorry.

>>83855813

Yeah, I don't understand why you made that comment about something past Ulysses. Nowhere in my post did I ever make any comment about something following Ulysses being a better piece of literature. You're dumb.

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>>83855816
>Fuller

>>83855830
Intolerance

>>83855835
>Lolita is garbage
What are you even doing on /tv/ apart from pretending that you've seen The Greatest Thing in Life?

>>83855879
Were there multilingual and onomatopoeic puns in Intolerance?

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>>83855830
>parallels Homer's poem, Odyssey with appointments and encounters of Leopold Bloom in Dublin

>parallels four disparate stories of intolerance across generations with Walt Whitman's poem "Out of the Cradle Endlessly Rocking"

I would say you should read and watch both of them before you sound stupid, but it's already too late.

>>83855837
You're tried to argue against this poll. That makes you retarded. >>83855658

>>83855873
One of his best/most underrated movies t b h

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>>83855921
Film isn't about literature. Intolerance combines all known filmic techniques from matte shots, irises, double exposures, tracking shots, crane shots, perfect mise en scene, crosscutting, intellectual montage, accelerated montage, long takes, psychological realism, and is the most expansive film made thus far.

>>83855945
So it parallels another work, that makes it like Ulysses? Shouldn't the cinematic equivalent of Ulysses parallel a previous film?

>>83855885
>what are you even doing on /tv/
Exposing plebbitors like you

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But old movies couldn't do this effect by messing with the bitrate

Checkmate athiests

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>filmic

>>83852500
Buster Keaton

>>83855885
shitposting
why watch films when you can ruin every thread that isn't about capeshit?

Malick is the only correct answer

>>83856030
>Shouldn't the cinematic equivalent of Ulysses parallel a previous film?
Hard to do that when it was released in 1916. If it makes you feel any better, the poem was visualized as a recurring leitmotif. Intolerance is the only known film fugue after all.

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You may not like it, but this is what the greatest director of all time looks like

>>83856058
>digital shit
Cancer

>>83856078
Already exposed >>83853843 If you weren't a pleb you would've said Mack Sennett or Chaplin

>>83856109
>Hard to do that when it was released in 1916.
So it's clearly not the Ulysses of film then. You can call it the Gilgamesh of film though.

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>ctrl + f
>coen
>no results

fucking plebs always sleeping on the GOAT American filmmakers

>>83856144
>he's a "shooting on film inherently means the movie will be better" elitist pleb like Tarantino

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>>83856145
It's functionally the same as Intolerance. You're only nitpicking to spite me. Nice attempts but no dice.

>>83856144
>Chaplin
>American

Take your shit opinions and your boner for Griffith somewhere else

>hurr durr, Griffith ain't a racist even if he portrayed the KKK as heroes of his first movie because he tried to make up for it with the rest of his shit career

Buster Keaton did more for the spectacle of Cinema than Griffith. All Griffith did was manage to be the first filmmaker to figure out how to edit for coherence while telling multiple storylines at once.

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Lynch

>>83856195
Not that Griffithanon but Griffith was a much more cinematic director than Keaton

That said Keaton was absolutely better than Chaplin

>>83856190
>It's
Maybe film will never become art because we have hacks like Griffith who had to fall back on literature to make a movie.

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Who else?

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>>83852500
Friedkin is my choice

He has a great catalogue of dusty classics and a lot of his recent work is great too.

>>83856177
>shooting on film inherently means the movie will be better
no itll just look better

>>83856190
Question

Why did Ivan the Terrible Part 2 turn to color for like 15 minutes?

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>>83855935
>>83856139
>>83856225

These anon know Lynch makes only pure Kino. All the other directors that have been named are inferior in every way possible.

>>83852625
Underrated post and director

>>83856309
That was all the color stock they could afford

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>>83856195
>All Griffith did was manage to be the first filmmaker to figure out how to edit for coherence while telling multiple storylines at once
Biggest lies if there ever were any. I know you're a pleb, but I'm going to expose you anyway. Pioneered closeups, visual rhyming, acting divorced from theatre, crosscutting, parallel montage, accelerated montage, montage-by-attraction, character-over plot, environmental storytelling, mise-en-scene, flashbacks, nonlinear storytelling, double exposures, shot-reverse-shot, 180 degree rule, jump cuts to elicit psychological state, tracking shots, camera movement to elicit psychological state, film essays, neorealism, etc. He did everything and perfected it

>>83856305
IF the lighting, framing, focus and general direction are also good.

The key reason why a movie like Hateful Eight looks like garbage but a movie like Sicario has a fantastic and thematic aesthetic.

>>83855935
>>83856139
>>83856225
>>83856294
Why is Lynch getting memed so much all of a sudden? Is it backlash from the new season of TP?

>>83856344
>He did everything
Did he make 3D films?

>>83856369
Because Nostalgiafags and Casuals were expecting Twin Peaks season 3 to just be a continuation of seasons 1 and 2 but had never seen Inland Empire or any of Lynch's short film stuff

>>83856349
>Hateful Eight looks like garbage
here's your (You)

>>83856274
Griffith didn't even use scripts, plebbit. Actually know your history before you speak

>>83856262
Keaton is nothing but a stuntman. A shit one at that.

>>83856369
He's just a good director

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>>83856369
He's always been God tier, pleb

>>83856403
>did he make garbage
No, and the first 3d film was released in the early 20's reddit

>>83856423
>Griffith didn't even use scripts, plebbit. Actually know your history before you speak
Wait, so now you're saying he didn't parallel Walt Whitman?

>>83856421
>the flat interior shots that went on forever
>good looking

He has exactly three good looking shots in the whole movie. Two are outdoors and one is a silhouette shot. Everything else is his horrendous stage-play style of composition.

He should stick to writing movies and letting actual directors do the rest.

>>83856344
>le appeal to authority
note: "great pioneer", no one will ever call him the greatest director ever, deal with it
>b-but look at this cherry picked quote by some good director
no one cares fag

>>83856442
So he didn't do everything. What about porn, I know Intolerance has some tits in it.

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>>83856369
The new TP is pure kino desu.

>>83856139
>greatest director alive making movies in your lifetime
>thinking youre that lucky
he is either before or after us, and always will be to anyone that ever lives.

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>>83856442
>being this butthurt
Cry more

>>83856495
To be fair, Ulysses is just intolerance since it came out after.

>>83856583
Kathryn Bigelow is a better director than her ex

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>>83856424
>>83856429
I agree he is a top-tier director but his movies have very little mainstream appeal (original Twin Peaks is a different matter) and he retreads a lot of the same ground over and over (dreams, duality). He was not particularly popular on /tv/ until the new season started but suddenly he's getting mentioned more than Scorsese, Kubrick, Tarkovsky, etc. It's definitely dank memeage.

>>83856527
>did he do schlock
No

>>83856525
You care enough to respond.

>>83856344
Nigga didn't even work with sound.

Get off his cock, anon. Griffith is only the start of American Cinema, not the be all end all. He deserves respect for pushing the medium but he didn't perfect it, you fanboy tool. There's no such thing as perfect cinema.

>>83856369
>sudden
how new?

>>83856648
Blow Out and Femme Fatale are perfect cinema

>>83856633
>You care enough to respond.
t.reddit

>>83856648
he worked with sound though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB9Mj0Lv51A

also the fact that he pioneered all that shit during the silent era is amazing, and he is of the greatest and most important directors ever, undoubtedly

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>>83856648
>didn't even work with sound.
Wrong. Pass kintergarden before we continue this conversation.

>>83856151
This

>>83856548
Kubrick himself said Eraserhead was one of his favorites.

>>83856732
>1930
Try 1921 >>83856758

>>83856703
Says the redditor with his objectively shit taste >>83856697

>>83855394
Birth of a Nation it was ebil and rayciss

>>83856773
Kubrick should not be taken as any authority

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>>83856760
I think you mean this director.

>>83856828
On his own thoughts? Okay.

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>>83856820
>it was ebil and rayciss
Yet it was the highest grossing silent film and ranked as one of the greatest films of all time at the Brussels World Fair and 1952 Sight and Sound poll

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>>83856818
Anon no bully
Brian De Palma is one of the best combination of music and visual

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>>83856820
i dont think it was racist, honestly, the novel was probably more extreme in that sense, i thought the film just showed what oppressed people would do in sudden positions of power, with the pic related sequence
the glorification of the klan is not gratuitous a all within the context of the film and the novel
i don't even think its racist in hindsight
hell even black people showed that what the film posed was true, they all chimped out when it was released and one black audience member said the first thing that went into his head after watching it was killing

>>83857109
I dunno anon
didn't the Klan's membership increase tenfold or something after the movie's release? Surely it wasn't Griffith's intention but it still had a huge impact

>>83856732
Fine, I revise my statement. Nigga barely worked with sound and early talkies are great and all, but let's not pretend that filmmaking hasn't grown more complicated as sound and other factors beyond Griffith's life and career developed.


>>83856758
Oh, whatever. You think you know everything because you've seen a few silent movies. You act all snide because most people don't have the patience to sit through your winning horse's overlong, boring silent movies.

I've seen silent movies too, you stuck up faggot. Fucking Griffith doesn't hold a candle to most of his contemporaries in the Silent Era like Murnau (not American, I know), King Vidor, or Buster Keaton, who was no schmuck with editing and created stunt scenarios Griffith never could have imagined. Jesus, I'd rather sit through boring ass Dovzhenko than rewatch the Griffith movies I've seen.

>>83852500
Welles, Wilder or Kubrick.

>>83856610
But her best works were ghost-written and ghost-directed by her ex

>>83854354
this unironically

>>83856419
6 men getting sick is one of my favorite things I've ever seen. Even his weird as animated student films are pure kino

>>83856344
He may be the greatest technician of cinema but not the best filmmaker. It's the same thing as literature, you may have the author with the best prose, but if his whole work isn't transcendent and has actual depth and gravitas, then it's an bleak and opaque work. I haven't seen anything from Griffith, but he seems a form inovator rather than the greatest film artist, and that's why he isn't featured in the S&S top 100 in the director's poll and has only one movie in the critics one, in 93rd.

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This is a pretty good thread, I'd say Keaton's certainly one of them for me. I know Chaplin's British but I wanna claim him for America, he did all his work here.

Deep discussion rolling, Top 5 Favorite films?
>>83856318

>>83857179
>but let's not pretend that filmmaking hasn't grown more complicated as sound and other factors beyond Griffith's life and career developed.
how so?
>Fucking Griffith doesn't hold a candle to most of his contemporaries in the Silent Era like Murnau
i disagree wholeheartedly, Griffith was a lot more innovative than Murnau, even years before him Griffith was utilizing new visual techniques, Murnau's first film was made in 1920, same year as Way Down East, you're going to tell me a shitty unauthorized adaptation of dr jekyll and mr hyde is better than Way Down East?
Not even comparable, even with Sunrise, Faust, and Nosferatu, Griffith had already made great films like Intolerance years before.
unlike the other anon, I like Murnau, but to say griffith doesn't hold a candle against him would just be plain contrarian.
Also Griffith created far greater scenarios and stunts than Keaton, look at the babyolian sequence in Intolerance, look at the sets throughout the film and the death scenes.

just because one asshole likes griffith, means griffith was shit

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>>83857399
>deep

i meant, *keep discussion rolling
And while i have a few more seconds just watched this qt from Modern Times in The Women, a great Cukor film, highly recommend.

>>83856890
Blow Out and all it's Criterion Extras just came to Filmstruck, impressive film. But De Palma's interviews are really interesting as well.

>>83857393
I legit think Griffith is the greatest american filmmaker, he isn't just a form inovator, and also his work has been stigmatized since forever, I suggest you watch all of the films you can find by him, all the ones i've seen definitely have soul and display a great amount of social awareness and humanism
>>83857444
cukor is great

>>83857561
I'll try and I'll reply to you in aprox. 4-5 years.

>>83857443
Look, I like Griffith's films from the perspective of someone who studies Cinema. I'm not going to deny that Intolerance is an important landmark in cinematic spectacle and narrative. I'll even echo Bette Davis' sentiment that "that bitch" Lillian Gish and Griffith opened the seeds of much of the current cinematic language used today, including close ups and intercuts. But, as I said earlier, Griffith is the start of American cinema, he's hardly the finish line. He maximized the tools at his disposal and made the best pictures of the 1910s. But there were better silent artists who came after him and certainly better filmmakers in the ages that arose after that.

I'd rather watch Sunrise or Vidor's The Crowd and The Big Parade, or anything Keaton and Chaplin than Griffith. I'm fully capable of appreciating what he contributed, but it's like saying that hieroglyphs are the only interesting written language.

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>>83858602
>I'd rather watch Sunrise or Vidor's The Crowd and The Big Parade, or anything Keaton and Chaplin than Griffith
You act like he stopped making films after the 20's started. Dream Street, Orphans of the Storm and Sally of the Sawdust are better than anything Keaton did. Nigger was just a stuntman and even Douglas Fairbanks is a better stuntman. The Gaucho is far better than anything Keaton did. Isn't Life Wonderful is better than The Crowd. Hearts of the World is better than The Big Parade, and fuck Murnau. Borzage blows him out the water easily. Griffith was utilizing expressionism, tracking shots, and on-location shootings before Murnau even came on the scene. Watch more than TSPDTshit babby. No one on this site has watched as many silent films as me or knows as much about actual film history and theory.

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>>83858602
>opened the seeds of much of the current cinematic language used today
He did everything and was ahead of everybody.

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>>83857399
>>83857444
Birth of a Nation 1915
Intolerance 1916
The Greatest Question in Life 1919
Isn't Life Wonderful 1924
Abraham Lincoln 1930

>>83852500
It sounds like a meme here but honestly it's Kubrick. That's the truth.

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Also look at him, I want to sit on his face

>>83852500
stan lee

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Dead fucking serious.

>>83859790
>genreshit
Into the garbage he goes

>>83859865
>quick checks on wikipedia
>"genreshit" conclusion
wew doggies

>>83859906
Fritz Lang is pretty shit guy. Should've named Stroheim

Richard Linklater

>>83853266
i just saw a thread about how shitty the apocalypse now is.

>>83852534
fpbp