/who/ - Doctor Who General

Hated Sleep No More, but this was GOAT. Loved it. Best of the series, and best story in years. Capaldi on top form, and it was a proper story with good villains/characters. Bravo Gatiss

Mega when?

>>83778275
>just a story with beginning, middle and conclusion with some characters
>GOAT

Wow our really standards really have fallen low

Wait a second
So Nardole, that guy who was always like
>Hurr Sir your oath!
>You cannot be off world!
>LOOK AT ME
Just decided to free Missy?
Couln't he just use the Tardis telepathinc circuits?

>>83778298
Nardole's been hacked

>>83778295
I agree, but this was the first ep in literally 3 years that felt like a proper Doctor Who story and not some 'clever' convoluted bullshit

it was normal Gattiss filler with propaganda anti-war-on-terror

post yfw you realise that Alpha picking up the Ice Warriors and introducing them to the universe is a set-up for the Peladon stories and how the Ice Warriors are representatives

>>83778334
no, the one with Fisher King was the top of Capaldi ternure

>>83778275
>GOAT
never

Enjoyed the episode a lot.

Current rankings:

The Pilot
Oxygen
Empress of Mars
Thin Ice
Extremis
Knock Knock
Smile
Pyramid at the End of the Earth
Lie of the Land

>>83778340
How do you get out of bed being so retarded?

Just heard that the new doctor is being revealed this coming week, possibly Wednesday

>>83778474
make better aguments

>>83778478
Just heard you're full of shit

HOLY SHIT GATISS ACTUALLY WROTE A GOOD EPISODE

Doctor Who? More like Doctor Poo.

>>83778514
I cannot see that, it was bland as fuck
is that all on Ice Warrior's nostalgia?

>The Master is free and is using a cloaking device to hide while piloting the TARDIS. Missy remembers being the Master watching her pilot the TARDIS while still hidden, and she also remembers being the Master seeing or causing the Doctor to regenerate very soon.

Guess which peach of a GB poster came up with this shit.

>>83778532
[LAST STRAW COPYPASTA]

ok, my rankings:

Empress of Mars
The Pilot
Pyramid at the End of the Earth
Oxygen
Smile
Extremis
Thin Ice
Knock Knock
Lie of the Land

>>83778598
>Empress of Mars
filler
>The Pilot
filler
>Pyramid at the End of the Earth
good, but bad execution
>Oxygen
filler
>Smile
filler
>Extremis
deadbeaten horse, yet coolish
>Thin Ice
fille + sjw
>Knock Knock
cool enough
>Lie of the Land
reset button crap

>>83778576
This is true, Miss/master team up in ep12 and lock the 13th doctor in the vault, it's why missy asks him if he's ok, because shes already seen what happens

MEGA??

>>83778658
crossover with 1st Doc also

>>83778646
>filler
You know that doesn't apply to doctor who, ret/a/rd.

>>83778646
define filler

>>83778545
Don't know about that, I was never big on them but they grew on me over the course of the episode. Good counterpart to the Sontarans

>>83778658
Could be a clue as to why Capaldi said they filmed his death already, maybe Master/Missy cause him to regenerate, he starts to do that, then right before he finishes they shove him in the vault and that's how 13 ends?

>>83778545
not really, it was just that everyone's motives made sense and the villains were actual characters, not evil just because like we've been getting so far. and i found the whole victorians on mars thing fun.

>>83778694
>>83778700
we have big finish as stale to rehash to death old concepts
the series needs to push its boundaries

a filler in DW is a episode that people keep pointing guns at each other

>>83778731
heard he regenerates into 13 at the end of ep12, and the xmas episode is some weird timey wimey mind/dream thing where 13 still thinks hes 12 and he meets up with the first doctor before completing the 'mental element' of the regeneration

>>83778660
https://mega.nz/#!hTwHSYjR!0lVyhWW-hmtdzxH6IIkhYwOFffGz_bmPG17_Rq8_4Zo

>>83778762
besides the rope-colonel bit, they all were one dimensional

Ok, fine. I get it. Things haven't been looking good. HOWEVER! Kino next week!

>>83778810
dont care about next week either
bring me Simm already

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My rankings:

Extremis
Oxygen
Pyramid at the End of the Earth
Empress of Mars
The Pilot
Knock Knock
Smile
Thin Ice
A Fix With Sontarans
>eating dogshit
Let's Kill Hitler
>flossing your urethra with barbed wire
Lie of the Land

Pic related is a meme from 2014 so you all can know my openion is gud.

>>83778810
never say anything will be KINO, hype only makes you dissapointed. Expect everything to be utter shit, and you can only be pleasantly surprised.

>>83778856
>KINO
only if David Lynch did, no other Kino nowadays

Why did TARDIS fly away in the first place?

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SIMM WHEN

>>83779042
It was scared

thread theme https://youtu.be/bdTELokKfCk

OK, so far we had

>The Pilot
It wasn't all that bad, but lack of any emotional impact made it pointless. Also, it was missing a middle act.
>Smile
Wow, paperclip optimizer, so creating. You keep writing amazing episodes, Frank. Not. What a waste of (probably) all the budget
>Thin Ice
Not bad plot, but either don't focus on racism or have it all the way through. One punching bag guy is just dumb pandering.
>Knock Knock
Not that bad, but extremely tedious. Bad guy was semi-interesting for once.
>Oxygen
Meh. Decent horror, confused metaphor
>Extremis
Pretty good
>Pyramid at the End of the World
Good idea, flawed exection. Result still fine by me
>The Lie of the Land
Holy shit Whithouse you fucking hack I hate you now
>Empress of Mars
Seemed meh on first watch, need to rewatch.

>Movellans, Alpha Centauri, a Classic Who writer, and Tenth Planet Cybermen
Why did Moffat say that this season would be casual-friendly and a soft reboot?

>>83779432
Not forgetting Ice Warriors and John Simm's Master

>>83779432
None of it is necessary to understand what is going on.

Simm is next week's cliffhanger
Bill getting her teeth removed and head covered in bandages the next
And finally, strawberry blonde

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We're going to get banned

What's /who/'s top 5 Ice Warrior stories?

>>83779042
Fuck. Just when I thought that there were no loose ends.

Missy induced it to with some sort of machine that she cobbled together? The TARDIS had no reason to take off on her own. There were no paradoxes or imminent threats nearby, and even if there was a threat, she's stuck around for worse stuff. Maybe we'll learn in a future episode.

Which is the better Ice Warrior voice?

Classic "I'm freezing my tits off and hissing" or New "I'm grunting and clicking loudly while not speaking"?

>>83779740
It's weird, because Briggs is capable of doing both voices.

>>83779563
Why? The two used-up ones will be off the board in about 5min

Well I really enjoyed that. Got that "real doctor who" vibe. And also classic who vibe aswell. I thought it was really comfy. My rankings are like this now:

The Pilot
Empress of Mars

~~~power gap~~~
Oxygen
Thin Ice
Smile
Extremis
Pyramid
Knock Knock
Lie of the Land

Next week's episode looks pretty mysterious.

guys
finally KINO has happened
who /happy/ today?

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>>83780147

>Monk Trilogy fucked up so hard that a Gatiss episode is considered good

>>83780100
It looks like it's gonna be nothing noteworthy, got a crocodile with tentacle mouths and stuff.
Best part will probs be the hint at what will happen in the finale.

>The crew want to emphasise the Doctor's physical eccentricity, and the Doctor's 'new look' has been designed accordingly for the 2018 series and subsequent merchandising opportunities. Gone are the rather boring modern day suits and shoes and ties and hoodies, instead to be replaced with a more 'Colin/Tom Baker' style costume - unusual, bizarre, colourful, but above all, utterly, utterly mad.

>>83780251
Sounds terrible

>>83780251
Sounds incredible

>>83780251
I'm looking forward to it

>>83780251
source?

>>83780251
>BBC confirm Timmy Mallett as the Doctor next month

>>83780219
He's going to eat all the light, which is better then to eat all the people.

Alright asking for the last time in a non dead thred.

Why do people here dislike 10 ?

>>83779486
What the fuck, is Bill actually being turned into a Cyberman?

GUYS
THIS IS IT
KINO HAS FINALLY ARRIVED

EMPRESS OF MARS IS G-O-O-D

NEXT EPISODE LOOKS G-O-O-D

KINO
KINO IS UPON US

>>83778275
Agreed. This was a proper episode where the doctor wasn't some "legend woven throughout time" bullshit.
Nobody knew who he was and he got treated like shit. He had to work his way out from the bottom which is what we like about the doctor to begin with. It's not about making 23984 grandiose speeches about all the THINGS I'VE DONE, it's about actually doing those things. Bravo Gatiss.

>>83780372
too much SJW agenda injection
too much rehashing
boundaries not pushed
since we got gallifrey why ignore it for all season

>>83780372
Primarily, perhaps as a reaction to hype he gets elsewhere. He's also pouts a lot and has very confused characterization that is mistaken for depth and complexity.

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>>83780329
BASED

>>83780372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkoGBOs5ecM

moff ang gatis are tired

>>83780372
Newfag please go

>>83780372
He became whiny and genuinely unlikable by the end of his run

>>83780417
Moffat said every time the Doctor finds home, the next thing he does is run away again

>>83780394
go to sleep mark

>>83778576
>>83778658
Guys, listen. Guys. What if, get this, guys, listen here, what if Missy, alright check it out, what if Missy was actually a previous regeneration, alright, like an older Master who eventually regenerated INTO Dr. Yana. Imagine that. Wow.

>>83780477
but why home is not trying to get him?

>>83780459
kys

>>83780498
watch the fucking video
arguments baby

>>83780481
go to sleep toby

>>83780495
Spook town

>>83780495
or if the master was the doctor all along, like Moff fucking the canon before leaving

>>83780496
Happened in the classic show as well. He was made president after stopping Borusa, chose to run off.

>>83780528
I'm chris

>>83780559
Next on Big Finish:
Doctor Who: Time in Office

ALSO
VALLEYARD BETWEEN 12 and 13

So what's on BBC One while Doctor Who is on in the DW universe?

>>83780675
Twin Peaks S3

>>83780675
Legends of Tomorrow.

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>>83780675

>>83780675
Porn. After so many alien invasions UK government realized that life is short and TV licence money need to spent on what truly matters.

I think this week's episode and last week's are contenders for the two worst episodes in all of NuWho.

>>83780671
>VALLEYARD
Who is this guy? Is he from BF? Never heard of them.

>>83780251
Tom Baker, fine, Colin Baker on the otherhand.....Please god no.

>>83780620
That'd be short and sweet, he ran off seconds after being made president, but what is time to a time lord? rofl, I would'nt mind a circular time kind of deal where he deals with the presidency in his head

https://twitter.com/GeorgeBaker26/status/873647125262983169
Holy shit. Adam is a fucking weirdo

>>83780742
from the season "trial of a time lord"
last of Colin Doctor
He was bought to trial, and the accuser was himself, doc 12.5
but the master the told this tale, so we dont know if true

>>83780734
This weeks is pretty good

>>83780742
Robert Holmes' parting gift....the Doctor as a bad guy essentially.

>>83780762
that is an actual time for september you know

>>83780780
no

it was cake to oldies

>>83780764
kek

>>83780734
Nah, this week is definitely not a contender.

Previous week was however such a fucking waste.

>>83780767
I'm slowly realizing that Season 23 was just the world's worst Prisoner ripoff

>>83780792
Interesting.

I've only ever listened to the bit dealing with fifth's regeneration

Pretty good episode. Next weeks however looks.....oh my. Guess you gotta go down to go up, right?

>>83780822
Mysterious Planet was not that bad
the Matrix stuff is nuts as ever

>>83780822
Prisoner ripoff? How?

I must admit though that I never bothered to watch original prisoner. But what I heard was quite different.

>>83780836
fifth?
or sixie?

my favorite BF is Terror Firma

>>83780767
>>83780787
Anon... I was joking, I do know who Valeyard is, but don't familiar with Valleyard.
Anyway, you are wrong. Valeyard is between 12 and the last Doctor, not between 12 and 13.

This is Alpha Centauri. Welcome to the universe.

>>83780764
Adam is alpha as fuck

>>83780810
is this a new meme?
have you even watched it?

>>83780889
oh oh oh
so 11 to go, lol

>>83780764
WTF!!!

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>>83780851
>you want someone to satisfy you in and out of the bedroom
WHAT THE FUCK

>>83780925
I idid
The Premise and execution was weak and ran by the numbers IMO

it was not terrible, just meh and would not rewatch

>>83780921
wtf I love Adam now

>>83780838
It looks like a series 2 tier episode

>>83778465
Nah, current rankings:

Oxygen
Extremis
The Pilot
Empress of Mars
Thin Ice = Knock Knock = Smile
Lie of the Land
.
.
.
.
Pyramid at the end of the Earth

>Reminder Capaldi regenerates at the end of the s10 finale and we get a blindsided reveal of 13
>Reminder the xmas special takes place in the doctors head as he refuses to move on from his 12th incarnation, and the episode ends with him coming to terms with his death and handing the torch over to 13.
>Reminder this rumor is entirely possible as Moffat as stated multiple times that he wants to do an original/different take on a Doctors regeneration story.

>>83781009
>Knock Knock
the best for me, really
even if it was like a Sapphire and Steel episode

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>>83780764
>It moves slowly, but it never stops. Wherever you go, whatever path you take, it will follow. Never faster, never slower, always coming. You will run. It will walk. You will rest. It will not. One day, you will linger in the same place too long. You will sit too still or sleep too deep, and when, too late, you rise to go, you will notice a second shadow next to yours. Your life will then be over.

>>83780986
Yeah, generic cgi monster terrorizes people and the doctor saves the day somehow. Might have gone down in the mid 2000's but it's extremely shallow by today's standards.

If Adams a ragng poofter, why was he sniffing Jenna?

>>83781035
I don't know what people hate/are indifferent to it so much. I found it really comfy and well rounded.

https://twitter.com/GeorgeBaker26/status/873649351385632768
Tweet updated. So hes not gay???

>>83781081
He isn't. Those screencaps are from messages he sent to a younger girl, apparently.

>>83781110
I thought it was pretty dull overall, don't know. The only really great thing for me was Suchet.

>>83781124
So he is as horny as we've memed him to be. The sex dungeon is probably real

who is adam

>>83780717
We have a government?

>>83780764
>>83781036
what was it?

>>83781192
Adam sits inside your head,
Adam lives among the dead,
Adam sees you in your bed,
And eats you when you're sleeping.

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>>83781192
He's behind you

>>83781116
oh wait i see. kek

imagine if these were sent to pearl mackie

>>83781227
Even Somalia does.

While the episode was nothing special, it's nice to finally see just a decently done story with no self-indulgent speeches by the Doctor, no Power Of Love, no pointless trailer-bait plots...

One of the best Gatiss episodes, about 6/10.

>>83781278
>Capaldi gets more and more displeased as the images go on

THE ADAM IS A CREEP MEME IS TRUE

https://twitter.com/cielamisseh/status/852156419784749057

I want a story where Doctor has to fight his evil self from the future. And not in courtroom.

>>83781314
You know the government hasn't properly formed yet due to the fact that everything is on fire.

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https://youtu.be/dK9cb8aVFfE?t=3m21s

>I know who it is.

Will RTD be writing for 13?

>>83781361
Sorry Adam you can't change the subject now

>>83780372
>Why do people here dislike 10 ?

Reminder that many /who/res have watched lots of classic who and listened to audios also (incl this anon).

I'm not sure how to explain it: for me, 10th Doctor just didn't feel like a real incarnation. Something not quite right, but can't quite put my finger on what it was.

>>83781525
too hip. He wasn't very alien. just a lad with a time machine.

Watching "Empress of the Snickers" bit stoned right now, and the whole pre-intro scene for som reason reminds me of the Team Rocket motto scenes from Pokemon so much I can't even.

OFFICIAL /who/ RANKINGS UPDATED

The Pilot 6.5
Smile 5.5
Thin Ice 4.5
Knock Knock 7
Oxygen 7.5
Extremis 8
The Pyramid at the End of the Earth 5
The Lie of the Land 3
Empress of Mars 7.5 (A good episode overall. Extra point for the classic /who/ vibes and commendations to Gatiss for proving that he can actually write a decent episode)

Series average: 6.05

>>83781525
10 felt like someone playing as The Doctor.
11 felt like The Doctor.

Surprised they reused the NASA set from Day of the Moon. Good continuity there.

So what, is Missy genuinely in the dark about why the Doctor is concerned?

>>83781623
this is it for me. But he really shines in his serious scenes, I think. I don't know.

>>83781683
10's best performance, ironically, is the John Smith stuff in Human Nature

>>83781609
I'd up The Pilot and lower Knock Knock.
Maybe slightly lower Extremis.

>>83781623
>>83781683
>>83781710
Do you think it was Tennant's performance or the writing that impacted your enjoyment of his Doctor?

Help
I've just escaped Adams sex dungeon. He made me dress like Jenna Coleman and recite lines from the show.

>>83781753
Definitely his performance, although I am biased towards the writing in series 1-4 of the new seasons.

>>83781753
Performance, man. I didn't feel that with Eccleston, despite he has all the same writerts.

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I think this is Gatiss' best episode yet.

>>83781804
Which lines did you enjoy the most

>>83781833
You redecorated...don't like it

>>83781525
>>83781578
Interesting. I guess you're right about watching the older doctors. Never seen an entire episode but from what I've seen they do tend to be more serious and a bit out of place.
Personally I enjoyed 10 because of his happy and energetic personality, that I felt like is close to mine.
I would agree with the fact that he didn't seem like that kind of wise old alien that likes to travel. He felt like he just wanted to have fun.

>>83781908
You're talking but all I hear is mememe

So besides Alpha Centauri, Sarah Jane, K9, Five, and Brig and Jo if you count SJA, which other character have shown up in both classic and new Who while reprised by their original actor?

>>83781609
That seriously overvalues Knock Cock

>>83781973
Eight :^)

>>83781944
10 was also forever spouting pop culture references and wore very 'normal clothes' (plus a long swishy coat). So all round he feels very 'human'. Weirdly, if you can sit through it, Fear Her makes a good effort to make him appear more alien but for the most part he just seems like an energetic crazy human with a time machine and gadgets.

>>83781192
He hangs around near Doctor Who filming sites (he lives near Cardiff), and seems especially keen to meet the the lead actors to obtain autographs.

I think he probably sells the autographs to make a bit of non taxable income. Nevertheless, his behavior has been a bit stalker-ish, sometimes worryingly so.

Wait
This might and definitely will sound retarded, but when in the doctor series is the Time War?

>>83781973
Outside of archive footage, probably none. I mean, they are decades apart, everyone is dead or elderly by now.

>>83781897
Why is this flipped?

>>83782121
There used to be a MEGA that detailed every Doctor Who story involved in the War, but that got deleted.

>>83781973
Clara :P

>>83782121
Between 8 and 9

>>83782121
Between cancellation and revival.

WHERE IS SIMM RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

How did the Doom Coalition series fare? I listened to the first one when it came out, was underwhelmed by the second, and haven't listened to 3 or 4. Are they any good?

>>83782256
3 and 4 are much better. Absent Friends in particular is GOAT.

>9 episodes in
>no simm
>moffat back in april said simm would be in a couple of weeks
lying fucker

>>83782255
Trapped in 1973, may aswell be living on Mars :^)

>>83782256
I still haven't listened to the final story. Weeping angels on audio is a tedious experience.

Out of all it, I probably only really enjoyed The Red Lady. For the life of me, I can't even remember most. There was that one where they escaped non-existent future in time capsule, I think this was good too.

>>83782306
No, Moffat said at the Pilot screening that people shouldn't leak the contents of the series trailer because they'd see it "in a couple of weeks" (ie. when The Pilot and, thus, the series trailer) anyway

>>83782279
Oh yes, Absent Friends was great. I forgot about it. Even sort of redeemed Helen.

>>83782320
It's a god-awful small affair

>>83782256
Better than Dark Eyes as a whole

>>83781623
I'd say this is true, but that's why I liked Nine and Ten, because they didn't feel like the Doctor and it felt appropriate to have a new series that didn't bend over backwards to fit the old show. All that went out the window with Moffat, of course. It was just nice to have something set in the Doctor Who universe that wasn't Doctor Who, which is mostly shit. The first two Doctors constitute a completely different show from 3-7, the movie is the movie, and nu who should have been nu who.

>>83782492
literally what

>>83781944
>Personally I enjoyed 10 because of his happy and energetic personality, that I felt like is close to mine.

this my key problem with 10. you shouldn't be able to relate to the doctor. he's an alien. the companion is the true audience surrogate

literally nothing wrong with 9 and 10, eleven was a cheap copy of 10 but 12 is perfect

>>83782414
Dark Eyes starts off great but gets tangled with subplots.
Doom Coalition starts off tangled with subplots but turns out great.

>>83782551
Odd, though, given that RTD's era seemed to focus more on the companion each series... and it's Moff's era that's really gone to town on both companion and exploring the intricacies of the Doctor.

Would Toby Jones have made a good Master, his performance in Amy's Choice felt like he could pull it off.

>>83782558
>eleven was a cheap copy of 10

disagree

>The big end of series twist is that the regeneration fake out wasn't actually a fake out and that Bill did actually kill that doctor she originally met in The Pilot. And so 12 will actually be 13 the doctor is just holding off the regen and passing it off as a joke not to let bill known what she really did.

WHITHOUSE REDEEMED

GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT

>>83780851
What pic you using?

>>83783024
Toby Jones is fucking excellent in anything. So yes, he could be a good Master.

>haha we're surrounded by a bunch of dumb men
>tell me, my brave intelligent independent woman who needs no man, what is your opinion on our situation
Every year this show keeps getting worse.

>>83782558
>eleven was a cheap copy of 10
what did anon mean by this?
>he didn't cry as much or commit blatant murder?

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>>83782143
Because I made it that way. It's kindo of an homage to 'consistent anon', who would sign off/on using a gif of the master hanging up a phone.

>>83783122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BScWTnu97o

>>83783078
Sounds shitty. Source?

>>83783131
Cheers,
Jon Blum

>>83780764
Who is she and how closely did she resemble Jenna?

>>83783078
This would be pretty cool, if like, the entire scene didn't literally turn to embarrassing garbage right before our eyes the INSTANT the regeneration effect wore off and Twelve clapped, and if there was ANY kind of dramatic tension or hint or clue that he was actually wounded or regenerating or dramatic payoff of any kind to work with as a surprise explanation later. It was never mentioned again in the episode or in the following one, and it doesn't appear to be of any damn importance anymore.

If it was any kind of plot point past that moment, it WOULD be a pretty great story and examination or like, you know, matter at all and be nice. But the way it was played, it'd be fucking bullshit if they pulled this. Could've very much been GOAT. Not in our timeline.

I'm mad.

>>83782558
>11 was a cheap copy of 10
11 had an entire episode dedicated to how much he hated himself while 10 has a massive ego

>>83783097
I hate the current companion. She's fucking ugly, never says anything useful and cannot think or make reasonable decisions/predictions.

What are the odds that Twelve was affected by the airborn Monk bacteria and it's very slowly imperceptibly killing him, and so far only Missy has caught on that something is wrong with his biology?

>>83783489
My theory is that she's taken the 1st Doctor out of his timeline and bunged him into the Vault. The ripple effect will eventually catch up to 12, who will soon start to feel the effects of the timeline screw up.

>>83783489
It's possible, but unlikely given that Nardole survived it and his lungs were more susceptible to the disease.

>>83783131oh ok, didnt know you did hello and goodbye

>>83783557
How is this not classic moffuckery, why would anyone enjoy this

There's cleaner, more satisfying ways to get two Doctors to feature in a story

>>83783560
nardole is also slowly dying

my ranking :

Empress of Mars
The Pilot
Oxygen
Thin Ice
Extremis
Smile
Knock Knock
Pyramid at the End of the Earth
Lie of the Land

>>83783637
It's just something I can see happening. The Doctor takes Missy back to the Vault, but instead finds his previous self or some shit.

>>83783667
This. And they end up trying to find a hospital... only to find one set up by, you guessed it, Mondasians.

>>83783705
Great taste m8
This is exactly as mine

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>>83783598
I always meant to, but more oft than not I forget.

Episode idea:
The Two Doctor
A multi-doc episode, except it's actually just the same Doctor twice

>>83784251
Great idea. What are you, a 4-years old?

>>83784251
Big Finish did it with TV Six and audio Six.
>>83784290
Fuck off you no-fun cunt/

>>83784251
So like Journey's End

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>>83784251
>a 4-years old

>>83784322
Oh, so they did. Is there anything they haven't done by this point?

>>83784338
That was 'The Doctor' and 'some weird clone thing' right?

>>83784251
The Almost People, retarded idiot

>>83784434
Again a weird clone thing, not 'The Doctor'

>>83784364
the question is what is the benefit of such a premise? The Doctor is constantly wrestling with not crossing his own timestream or whatever the fuck, and the Doctor on his own is clearly so capable yet flawed, that there's really nothing he can't do by himself or anything that two of him wouldn't both overlook. The only advantage is "being in the same place at the same time", which is bogus for the premise, seeing as them being in two places at the same time means they have less scenes in the same place.

It would only maybe work as a twist where the story doesn't quiet make sense, but it's then revealed the Doctor goes back in time or something to help out in the situation? Which then leads to all sorts of incredibly boring paradoxes and excuses.

It would be neat, in theory, but in practice would be very self indulgent and pointless and hard to do well. Maybe a story where the Doctor loses his memory in the future and an earlier version helps him out during his amnesia?

>>83784503
I just realized that last idea is literally The Next Doctor but with the same Doctor instead of a potential new incarnation. And that wasn't particularly good.

I liked the episode except for one thing. Why did the TARDIS decide to fuck off?
I know some say it's some grand plan by Missy, but frankly, I doubt it will be explained.

>>83784467
That's racism, dude.

>>83784550
The TARDIS' was infected by the bacteria in Pyramids, it's dying and going haywire.

>>83784503
Just a fun idea that will never happen, but it's the kind of thing a script editor/showrunner would comission. Like with how The Almost People was "do avatar", or "do the Daleks but in London". The actual writer can figure out the logistics.

It could be The Doctor from the beginning of his tenure, and The Doctor from the end, with the first not knowing some bigimportant thing, perhaps the death of one of his companions or something emotional, and Doctor 2 has to conceal it from Doctor 1, but he finds out.

Maybe when he does find out he tries to prevent it, but obviously with Doctor 2 around he cannot, so it becomes either a moral battle or a real battle with Doctor 2 trying to stop Doctor 1 from ending his existence. Perhaps Doctor 1 goes insane with the knowledge of what is going to happen.

What? Smile was pretty good and Thin Ice was above average, why would you put them below Knock Knock?

>>83784680
That's just about as good an explanation as "The TARDIS wants its own spin-off and is acting like a bitch"

>>83784722
>Smile was pretty good and Thin Ice was above average
Imagine having this much shit taste

bad wolf

Why is /who/ fawning over this trainwreck of an episode? It's one of the worst Gatiss has ever written. Take off your nostalgia goggles.

>>83784829
>never once on /who/ has anyone mentioned nostalgia or being happy about the return or portrayal of the Ice Warriors
>all praise around the episode revolves around the treatment of side characters, lack of bullshit plotholes and clever-baiting, and reasonable scale of the story

nice try

Episode idea:
Untitled
Start a regeneration story with the next Doctor and his next companion(s) already on adventures, and act as if you're not going to address the elephant in the room. Maybe even stretch this out over a couple of episodes to confuse people, and then ultimately surprise them when we finally see the regeneration, perhaps caused by the future Doctor. Of course the old Doctor fights back against this.

Cosmic forces make it so that the drama isn't over wanting the Doctor to -live-, but wanting the Doctor to -die-, to ensure his future and possibly that of the universe.

Perhaps some time sensitive being (The Master?) prevented the regeneration of The Doctor, and the future Doctor has to go back in time to make sure that he dies. Consideration would need to be taken to make sure this isn't just a repeat of Logopolis.

Write it. You have six weeks.

It's sad that Doctor Who is in such a state that we fawn over a mediocre episode just because it doesn't have a fucking trainwreck of a plot.

That being said, I enjoyed it

>>83784914
>never once on /who/ has anyone been honest about only liking the episode because of a shitty classic Who cameo
Yes, correct.

>>83785068
The Five Doctors is only good because of all the old faces

Dr. Who has all those super cool alien designs. Star Wars should learn a thing or two about it instead of always making a humanoid with an animal head.

>>83785018
Sounds pretty nifty, honestly. Let's forgo the universe ending, because "history always sorts itself out", but really push the chemistry and likability and day-saving potential of the new Doctor and companion(s), so we really care about them, want to maybe see more of them, and can believably be expected to root for them to stay. Maybe the idea is to sort of "trick" the audience into accepting and rooting for change in the show/cast, instead of fighting it like you said. Then the old Doctor still has a chance to feature in a great story and get his closure for the audience, and it'll be a new, unique adventure of a story to tell for regeneration and introduce a new era. And it'll be really interesting to see, almost kind of like Turn Left combined with that one bit of Name of the Doctor, history both unwriting and rewriting as the ripple effect goes in from both sides and has to be reversed before it's too late -- something you'd expect to be done to interesting effect more often in a show like Who. The key is to make sure it's relatively small scale, it's the small scale personal changes and losses that have to be the scary threat. Plus genuine consequences to the previous Doctor that he has to accept after his second chance at life, to sacrifice for the future.

I like it. Good idea, mate. More input, /who/?

I dunno. It was second episode of the series where I actually felt excitement, like proper Doctor Who feeling. With looking forward the resolution, not thinking about it as something inevitably shitty.

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>>83785220
Nice b8

>>83785226
>it's the small scale personal changes and losses that have to be the scary threat
I absolutely agree, for example the Davison serial Terminus has a pointless "oh no the universe is going to end if this ship explodes", which is completely over the top and unnecessary - just having the ship blow up would have been enough. So yes, we need to care about the new Doctor and companions. Maybe it could be the season finale, a two-parter, giving us ten episodes to get to know the new team.

This would be logistically quite hard to pull off what with leaks etc, and might be hard to get an actor to agree to. But then again, this isjust fantasy.

>>83785356
Reminder
>Scriptwriters are confident they'll make a huge impact.
>Everyone remembers the Daleks and the Cyberman, but not a lot else if they're honest.
>The Tritovore will change that. They are disgusting and will last long in the memory.

>>83785440
I always wonder if there was some other design planned that they couldn't do for whatever reason. Surely those comments couldn't have been in reference to the one we actually got.

>>83785379
Ooh, originator here, I just thought, maybe this could work like sort of like The Talons of Weng-Chiang or The Invasion of Time, in the way that Robert Holmes would split up a six-parter into two connected four and two-parters.

It could be a three-parter, starting off with some big threat that our new team absolutely -must- deal with, being interrupted by the plot we're discussing right now. So, The Old Doctor not dying would be a disaster not only for our future team, but for the planet/universe as well, due to this great big looming threat. We might be getting a little complicated for television here, whereas a novel might be better suited for this story.

So, The New Doctor and his companions are battling some massive threat, when some time-sensitive being (perhaps the aforementioned threat itself) disrupts his previous regeneration. Therefore, The New Doctor must go back in time and kill/assure the death of his former self. Perhaps, after a typically large fight and clash of egos, The Old Doctor realises he must team up with The New Doctor both to bring about the end of the huge threat, and of himself. The Old Doctor accepting his fate could be a real tear-jerker, and he could regenerate during what would normally be the celebratory part of the episode after the threat has been neutralised.
Or, he could eliminate the threat -by- regenerating, which is something the new series has established to be possible, but I'm also aware that some fans (and possibly I) aren't particularly fond of the weaponisation of regeneration energy.

>what do you have to say, fellow sister, since you are a woman, and I as a woman value your opinion over these others, since they are just men, and as such their opinions are not of value :)

it was all going so well

>>83782097
tfw he is the real reason capaldi has quit

Bill looked pretty qt this episode, with just normal person hair and mannerisms

>>83785379
Could be good for an opening two-parter, perhaps. Part one working like Rose combined with any number of actually good episodes, making you fall in love with two brand new characters, maybe have them solve a big problem or two together and have the future look bright and exciting, and end the episode with the ripples in time taking over and becoming aware of the regeneration being fucked up via some shit (Master shows up, some quick flashbacks of the original regeneration, and then the old Doctor is there.) and ending on that cliffhanger. Tell me you wouldn't be hooked by that, whether you've seen the show before or not?

Then Part Two deal with that problem, requiring the characters to solve the problem of the unseen regeneration episode, and then ensure the Doctor dies at the end. Let's say they go to the beginning of that timeline, and to prevent timestreams crossing even more than the first intervention (assuming the Master or whoever popped in to change the resolution or some shit), they have to pull a Back to the Future Part 2 and resolve the problem in a new way avoiding the original plot, aided by the future Doctor's rapidly fading memory of it. So throughout, we get another exciting adventure worthy of a regeneration story, plus a glimpse at an alternate timeline of it, a proper suspenseful goal (the Doctor has to accept and recreate? his DEATH, for REAL this time, and since there's only been one episode, it may be a real threat of the New!Doc and New!Companion not existing! Maybe a third set will replace them after the timeline is changed! and what if it all fails? anything can happen apparently, PLUS the resolution to the background conflict), and then all that feely acceptance shit and passing the torch.

Then the show can proceed from there with the new cast, starting off on a really high note and hopefully continuing from there. Plus, legacy is important to Doctor Who. Plus, the companion now knows most companion shit.

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>>83785220

>>83782558
11 felt like a market response to people liking 10's quirky attributes, but they ended up going waaay overboard.

>black woman part of NASA
WE

>>83785018
>>83785226
>>83785379
>>83785575
>>83785697

You know, with all this talk of 12,1,13, and the new and different regeneration story for Christmas... is it possibly Moffat is going to try to do something similar to this? Would that be good?

>>83785829
were scientists

Anyone else think next weeks episode looks like something out of David Tennants era?

>>83785829
Wait till you see Hidden Figures

>>83785697
Fuck, can you imagine the kind of shit you could do if the next Doctor/companion wasn't revealed to the press several months before the episodes actually airing?

If complete secrecy could be held, you could actually go with that "the third doctor and companion team might take over" angle.

It could be like the Red Dwarf episode Back To Reality, where we are shown an alternate version of the crew, although in that episode it is revealed to not be real. Here, it could be revealed to be a real possible alternative. Imagine actually being made to care a little for the third TARDIS team, and having to choose between which TARDIS team you liked the best - two or three? And with no leaks or press releases, you honestly wouldn't know.

Making it a finale you could even go as far as not announcing a new series and making some people think that this really could be the end of Doctor Who, with everything going colossaly tits up.

>>83785866
Honestly, Moffat is the only person I know who would be capable of writing such an episode - he is good at all the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff - but I could imagine it getting very convoluted and people getting really angry at him for daring to do something bold and ambitous with the show.

>>83785919
There was a comment or two about this earlier in the thread, I think.

Is there a canon point in the timeline when the doctor watched frozen?

>>83785929
Or, imagine actually being made to HATE the possible new Doctor/companion, and worrying that it might be them who are going to take over the show

There's potential for a series arc here (I know how much you love those), with the Doctor's memory failing and things going wrong with time, suggesting that his old regeneration is going wrong - just little mysterious moments at the ends of episodes

>>83785976
>>83785929

Don't worry, though: it's all actually a simulation that the third-option-Doctor sends to the fourth and real new Doctor

>>83786007
Like Eleven's cracks in time, but it turns out to actually to be more like Eleven's lightning timestream tree? That would actually be pretty cool if it meant at the end everything gets fixed to how we first experienced/saw them rather than permanently rebooted/changed.

>>83786017
>A simulation of a third-option-Doctor sending this entire thing to the REAL fourth, new Doctor

That would just be a total mindfuck, how could the new Doctor be separate from the simulation but only exist because of it?

I don't think I want it to be a simulation, it has to be real, and could potentially have a similar effect to the second Big Bang - allowing the show to retcon egregious elements of its history Cyber Kings) by fucking with time

>>83785975
I assume he just knows what it is but never saw it on account of how somewhat unsure he is if he did the reference thing right, and the fact that he didn't get it right because it was just a pun on the title but not actually related to the movie at all.

>>83786082
that was meant to be a joke because Extremis and how pointless it was

I felt triumphant joy when Catchlove got executed. It was strange, watching Doctor Who and actually being invested in characters. I liked it, it felt good.

>>83786341
Good point. The characters in this episode were actually pretty well defined and stood out.

Based Gatiss.

The Foe from the Past
by
/who/ and Steven Moffat
starring
Peter Capaldi, David Bradley and Kris Marshall
as
The Doctor

New when?

Daily reminder

Extremis
Oxygen
Empress of Mars
The Pilot
Thin Ice
Lie of the Land
Pyramid at the end of the Earth
Knock knock
Smile

>two hairy guys arguing over who should be leader

This is An Unearthly Child all over again!

Cyberwoman more like Cyberkino

>thought it was just a meme.
>he genuinely is a creep

https://twitter.com/AlexisGreaves/status/873681817626345472

>>83786532
New what?

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I would ask why the TARDIS fucked off from mars with Nardole inside it when literally nothing happened and it had zero reason to do so other than to further the plot but I know there is no reason and that Gatiss was just being lazy.

Also is /who/ just memeing when they say The Pilot was great? It was ok but I'll never remember it for anything other than the villain's a lesbian puddle who isn't actually a villain (because we can't have just plain simple bad guys who wanna kill for the sake of it anymore). It's like Empress of Mars, just because an episode isn't shit doesn't mean it's great.

>>83786558
>Catchlove is no leader

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wow i sure can't wait to meet her!

>>83786865
Does she even have a name, or is she just Bill's Mum?

>>83786790
Maybe it fucked off because of the danger shit mentioned at the end of Cold War but probably no reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2UUc8r1lu8

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Leaks of Simm from the finale

New when?

>>83787126
NEW WHAT???

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>>83786865
Seriously what is the deal with Bill's Mum (apart from the fact it's an anagram of Bl Muslim)?

Let's make this woman who adopted Bill, brought her up and still let's her live with her come across as an uncaring moody cow and try to make everyone care about some dead bitch Bill's spent most of her life without.

>>83787037
How would it know Ice Warriors are around?

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defend this

>>83787222
Bills just a regular girl

>>83787164
New mungus.

>>83787184
>apart from the fact it's an anagram of Bl Muslim
Top fucking kek.

New when?

>>83787389
New who?

>>83787389
At 310

>they had to CGI the VAB
kek, come on, there's surely enough flyby footage out there for free

>>83787254
>both black characters aren't special
wow this is extremely problematic by the disgusting right wing hate group that is the BBC

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Something looked off about the opening shot, but I can't put my finger on why.

>>83787627
That actually looks better than I thought, I watched on a much shitter quality stream.

>>83787627
Holy shit

When is the bump limit?

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>>83787627

This was a bit naff, too, but I'm not mystified by it.

>tfw you would have been blown away with a shot like this if it showed up in classic Who

New when!?

>>83787771
Now
NEW THREAD
>>83787809
>>83787809
>>83787809

>>83787184
Yeah I mean, she hasn't even had any lines. She's pretty much a glorified extra.

>>83787627
You just reminded me, why the hell were they at NASA?

>>83787627
It's fast-forwarded, you can see the car going at super-speed

>>83787627
Its the focal length of the camera changing. It's zooming in and moving in and changing focal length at the same time to get closer to the building while also trying to keep it relatively the same size. Combined with the perfect sunny day and clean textures, it looks fake to you.