/who/ - Doctor Who General

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I want ram to ram his ram in my ram

>>83544003
>BBCAmerica in particular absolutely LOVES the show.
Is Class actually getting good ratings in the US?

>>83544088
Yes, which is why the BBC's silence about it is so baffling.

>>83544112
What is considered a good rating for BBC America?

Has anyone considered that neonvisual is changing his wiki page because the "coming soon" section is written as if the first quarter of 2016 hasn't passed yet?

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>>83544203
>(You)

The guy whose cassette player got destroyed -
that was destroyed by a bullet
Why was he getting shot at by a human?
How strong was that plastic cassette player that it could stop a bullet?

Bill was pretty quick to shoot someone dead having never fired a gun before
did she even take the safety off?

Why did they say the human race had become slaves? The monks took control of power and killed some dissenters, but they didn't force humanity to work for them did they?

>>83544125
4 people, which is 2 more than average.

>>83544378
It's impossible to say what exactly Monks did to people, because this episode kept saying "humans are slaves lmao" but didnt show anything.

youtube.com/watch?v=lfbkw72GkBA

would she have been a good companion, /who/?

>>83544088
What are the ratings?

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Is this some kind of play for audience growth on BBC America? Why is Moff letting his saltiness for Trump infect his scripts?

>Fake News Central

>>83544796
>Why is Moff letting his saltiness for Trump infect his scripts?
Because writers put their emotions into their scripts, and trump has made left wing people incredibly emotional

>>83544838
>Because writers put their emotions into their scripts, and trump has made left wing people incredibly emotional
At this rate the series finale might just involve he Doctor pulling a Kathy Griffin. I have no fondness for Trump, but this is just a pathetic attempt at shit flinging. At the very least he could actually attempt intelligent political commentary or satire.

>>83544887
Intelligent political commentary would require some political awareness. And white intellectuals have none, they only know how to scream "Nazi" at things they don't like.

>>83544003
I only came to /who/ because how awful last nights episode was, I've never even heard of class.

Is it any good?

>>83544957
Not really. The plots are weak, the cast is weak and mismatched with the show, the villains are weak and character arcs are confused and rushed. The only thing good was the ending cliffhanger that made one wonder why didn't they start there.

The regulars pontificate in rooms these days and affect the outside world by some kind of long range osmosis of will. All the exciting stuff happens off screen. They cut away or fade to black and tell you what you missed in another boring meeting.

No confrontation with the enemy who decide off screen not to use their insane powers over machines and biology from last week that we still don't understand, and none of their simulations from two weeks ago warned them about leaving the door open.

Truly terrible drama, not entertaining in the slightest. I think I know why Capaldi is leaving.

>>83544631
fuck i recognise that marvel graphic novel collection
anyways this is tegan 2.0

>>83544994
Shame

Can someone give me a rundown on why this season has been so shit? I'm just a casual Dr Who fan and don't really follow anything about it outside of watching it. Apart from Extremis the story feels really boring and the constant "End of the world/humans" is getting dull, did they fucking outsource the writing or something?

>>83545116
Watch the Sarah Jane Adventures instead

>>83545116
What did you think of S8 and 9?

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>>83544957
That depends, are you a homosexual and do you like melodrama?

3.01 million watched The Lie of the Land.

So what was Missy's great idea at the end of TWF?
To be executed?
To be good?

>>83544796
>>83544838
>>83544887
>>83544945
tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Donald_Trump

>In DWM 503, Steven Moffat answered the question, "What does the Doctor make of Donald Trump's decision to run for President of the United States?" Moffat replied that "although the Doctor normally takes no part in politics, he is disgusted and turbulent with rage" and went on to say that the Doctor has seen a parallel universe in which Trump won the election and the world was plunged into "certain doom".

Oh boy, I think we're going to be getting some more Anti-Trump propaganda this series.

Regeneration music was beatiful and the scene itself could be very impactful if it was real, but "its a ruse haha" ruined it.

Also, do you think Bill living in a totalitarian society shooting people will be reference again, ever? Or shes back to being usual student?

So the doctor now has the ability to emit regeneration energy whenever he wants?

>>83545222
S8 had a couple bad episodes from what I remember, but overall was good
S9 was much, much better.
S10 just feels like they sniffed a shitload of glue and wrote a script

The story would be more interesting if Bill started as a memory police agent unaware of the truth, but remembered the truth later. Instead of some random woman.

>>83545422
Personally I think the biggest shortfall of S10 is how they've gone back to making plots more event driven rather than character driven. S9 had many extended scenes that were just characters talking, and progressing the plot or conveying emotion through that. S10 isn't completely devoid of that, but it's much more spread out

I-I-I-I liked it

>>83545553
it was okay

S10 is the worst capaldi series
9 > 8 > 10
Even a GOAT finale isn't enough to make up for the rest
Leaving was the right choice

>>83545553
Well, you are wrong.

>>83545553
I ... didn't hate it

>>83545585
>Leaving was the right choice
Wrong. Next series will be GOAT without Moffat bullshit. It's shame that Capaldi didn't stay.

>>83545265
>Broadcast at same time as the BGT final

Wow. I thought it would be less than that. Was only expecting about 2m.

>>83545702
chibnall has never written a good doctor who episode

>>83545585
Aside from Heaven Sent and maybe Face the Raven S9 was pretty weak.

>>83545797
Capaldi does creeper face so fucking well.

What happened to the people that were killed?
What happened to people whose whole lives were changed in the past 6 months?
I.e. the students who had the doctor as their lecturer.
Did they have a sub?

>>83545450
Sounds cliche af

>>83545813
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-%22i.e.%22-Versus-%22e.g.%22

>>83545840
Cliche are cliche because they work.

Avoiding cliche is like hammering nails with your dick. You can do it, if you have a strong erection and might even impress people with this performance, but unfortunately Toby Whithouse dick is rather limp.

>>83545791
Wrong. Exept 42, his episodes was fun and intresting, without trying to look clever, like Moff do is his every episode. And some of Chibnall's episodes of Torchwood was quite kino. Broadchurch too great — at least writing so much better than all Moffat or RTD stuff.

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Line from a stereotypical Eleveth Doctor episode, according to the neural network.

>DOCTOR: Oh, that's a bit of a minute. I can't get the same signals. The stars are still alive. The Doctor is still alive. It's a big family a bit of a start of the same starts. The Doctor is still alive. The Doctor is still alive. The Doctor is still alive. The Doctor is still alive. The Doctor is a big bang. The Doctor is a big back in the stars. The Doctor is trapped in the stairs. The Doctor is still alive. The Doctor is still alive. The Doctor is still alive. The Doctor is still alive.

>>83545924
Stop posting on 4chan and start working on series 11, Chris.

>>83545796
TMA/TWF
hell bent

>>83545270
>>83544945
>>83544887
>>83544838
>>83544796

The irony being the opening scene with a british woman being arrested for having illegal opinions/information about an invading force

>>83545924
fun and interesting does not equal good
broadchurch is irrelevant, we're talking about doctor who

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>>83545955
>The Doctor is still alive
>The Doctor is still alone

6 months of human history is now wasted
What about all of the video footage that was taken in that time?
The memory changing signal didn't work on time lords. Was it focused on humans? What about all the zygon immigrants?

>>83546003
>broadchurch is irrelevant, we're talking about doctor who
Moffat is bad as Sherlock showrunner, and makes same mistakes in Doctor Who. Chibnall is good as the Broadchurch showrunner. This is an obvious connection that increases the likelihood that Chibnall will be good as a showrunner of DW.

>>83545984
>TMA/TWF
It's a two-parter with about 20 minutes of interesting stuff, some weird additions to Dalek lore and emotional conversation ending with lolkidding.

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>>83545955
I'm concerned

>>83546029

They probably only wrote that in there because of the implications of Bill's mom being implanted into everyone's memories.

>>83546079
You are wrong. Moffat doing the same mistakes because he's a bad writer. Chibnall, on the other hand, good writer, so his Doctor Who will be nothing like Broadchurch.

>Doctor Who's overnight rating is the lowest the series has received in its history, with Battlefield in 1989 getting 3.10 million.

>>83546110
t. pleb who doesn't like character drama

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Thought The Lie of the Land was pretty good.

>tfw only five more Capaldi episodes

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>>83546134
Moffat has actually written good doctor who episodes
chibnall hasn't

the eaters of light will be either gloriously comfy or tedious and dull. these are literally the only two options. Which will it be, /who/?

>>83546197
It's not that it was character drama, it ended with
>LOL Doctor I was faking it to mooch of your regeneration
>LOL Davros, I was faking it too because my clever plan was give you a regeneration so you would drown in living shit

Is it Moffat's plan to hire all the shitty writers in his last season so as to contrast how good he is?

>>83546203
>tfw only five more Capaldi episodes
Not true, he'll be back in 6 years.

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reminder that this is a basement

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>>83545955
That terminal output looks concerning.

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>>83546267
Not how we imagined it at all

>>83545585
8>9>10
MOFFAT OUT

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Be prepared for the worst ratings of the series or possibly Nu Who with The Empress of Mars

>>83546226
What's the synopsis again?

>>83546003
>fun and interesting does not equal good
m8

>>83546327
Is this another incarnation of Moff's dominatrix fetish?

>>83546327
>What if we take a typical bad Matt Smith episode but write it for Capaldi
Oh yup

>>83546375
>bad Matt Smith episode
Aren't they all was...?

>>83546375
Like forrest in the night or whatever franks last one was called

>>83546350
Something about lost Roman legion. Who presumably ate all the light or were the light that was eaten, let's make bets on it.

Am I the only one who thinks doctor who went to shit from season 9 and this season is filled with nonsense and pure jackshit drama or forced liberal thinking?

What are the worst and the best single episodes of nuWho? Ones that require little context to be enjoyed on their own?

I've been watching S10 with my friend. He's Not a Doctor Who fan, he just wanted to see what all the fuss was about and why I liked the series; I wanted to see what he thinks of it as a non-fan. He thought the early episodes were okay but the latest lot have been shit.

I didn't think much of the latest ep either, but I told him it doesn't seem as bad to me in comparison because the show has been much worse.

So now I want to show him the worst nuWho episode, followed by the best to demonstrate the highs and lows this show is capable of. I was thinking Fear Her for worst and Blink or Heaven Sent for best.

>>83544594
>MONKS WERE ONLY HERE FOR 2 MONTHS WE WUZ KANGZ BEFORE THEY CAME!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see a lot peoples like Edge, who just obsessed with the Tenth Doctor. But no one feels that about Eleventh or Tvelvey. Your excuses, moffatchads?

>>83545270
The original creators of, and actors in, the Doctor Who IP wouldn't have voted for anyone but Trump.

>>83546267

So you're saying that its bigger on the inside?

>>83546327
It might be OK, I've always liked the Ice Warriors but I imagine we'll be spending 50 minutes having

>omg guys le British Empire is so evil fucking white males

Bashed over our heads.

>>83546454

>Fear Her

No, Love & Monsters.

>>83546516
>50 minutes
wait what

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>The Lie of the Land pre-Capaldi's "regeneration" scene
SHEEP, huge potential

>The Lie of the Land post-Capaldi's "regeneration" scene
Mediocre filler

Can't believe the 3-parter turned out to be such a letdown. I thought it was going to be a highlight of the season, but it's actually a low point. I'm glad we're back to standalone episodes next week, even if it is gatiss.

>>83546437
Sounds really lame, but at least it's not cringey Gatiss writing that we have next week.

>>83546555
I feel like that's more of a marmite episode. There are lots of people here who like it. Whereas I don't think I've ever seen someone claim to like Fear Her

>>83546555
>Love & Monsters
What was bad about it exept shitty monster and stupidity? It's still better story than Extermis, or In the forest, or The Bells of Saint John.

>>83546516
Oh absolutely. But fucking hell, the Victorian times isn't the only time period Mark

This is my new ranking, I guess.

Extremis
Thin Ice
Oxygen
Smile
The Lie of the Land
Knock Knock
The Pyramid at the End of the World
The Pilot

>>83546611
>Extremis on top
I see some casual pleb here.

>>83546454
Love & Monsters as worst. I agree with Blink or Heaven Sent as best, if you're sticking to single episode stories.

I think Gridlock is also a good example of a very strong "business as usual" type episode. It follows the standard "go to planet, problem arises, solve problem, leave" format of the show (not including the YANA tease at the end), and features some really nice classic sci-fi world building with the whole dystopian highway setting.

>>83546602
>>83546625
explain why Extremis is a bad episode beyond "lol bad computer coding"

>>83546625
Considering the rest of the trilogy didn't deliver, maybe it belongs lower. But I'm not going to retroactively pretend it was a bad episode.

>>83546454
Sleep no more
The empty child/The doctor dance

>>83546625
>not liking the only interesting and original episode this series

>>83546634
>Gridlock
Interesting choice, but I see what you mean. I may consider it, he said he enjoyed the worldbuilding in the earlier eps this season. I think I've only seen it again once since broadcast.

>>83546454
I think the best episodes to show newbies are both 9's

Dalek
The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances

Especially the last one, Moffat got literally everything right in those two episodes, you could tell he had been waiting to write them for years. The "just this once, everybody lives!" scene is probably the best in the entire new series.

>>83546566
Do they not all run for 50 mins now? I might be wrong.

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>>83546126
>>83546269

After going through the rest of the iteration checkpoints, they mostly agree that the stereotypical 11 scene is just him using the Sonic Screwdriver while saying "I don't know".

>>83546602
>>83546596

I don't think it's that awful. But his friend will either completely hate it or think "this is supposed to be DW at its worst?" so it's a win-win.

>>83546639
Why is it good? It has no sense or interesting conclusion. Also, the whole thing "people kill themselves" did not make any sense and was made only for hype annotations.

>>83545585
9>8>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10

>>83546611

Oxygen (though I wish the "I'm still blind" reveal had been done better)
The Pilot
---power gap---
Knock Knock
Extremis
The Lie of the Land
Smile
Thin Ice
The Pyramid at the End of the World

This season has been disappointing as fuck. Hopefully it will pick up by the end and the Christmas special will be good. Capaldi deserves a better final season than what he's getting.

Why did this 3-parter need to be a 3-parter? Extremis was worth an episode, but in hindsight it added nothing to the overall plot of the Monks and could've easily been a standalone ended with any alien race as the simulators.

Pyramid at the End of the World was a total waste of time

Lie of the Land was mediocre, but dragged down by the fact we've already spent 2 episodes on these boring villains

I'm more annoyed because of all the speculation and fake leaks, like 12 holding back a true regeneration into 13, Missy being released to fuck up the Monks, or the last episode also being a simulation. All would've been better than what we got.

>>83546602
I wouldn't call it the worst, but it's a very jarring experience to set up a group we to be symathetic, then expecting us to laugh at them being killed in horrible, dehumanizing manner.

>>83546738

>(though I wish the "I'm still blind" reveal had been done better)

That was some lazy directing.

>Let's just cut to black
>Because he's blind
>Get it?

>>83546662
You also get Ardal O'Hanlon as a cat man, so that's nice.

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>>83546708
True, just makes me more nervous for the finale!

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>>83531306
The rating is down just because the audience are tired of Moffat's shit writing. Peter is still one of the best doctors. I wish he can stay for the next era.

>>83546746
Monks should have got more time. I still don't know what they wanted, anyway I was hoping they were going to have something to do with Mondas so kind of disappointed in that regard too.

>>83546708
>It has no sense or interesting conclusion
I guess this is down to opinion, but I thought the conclusion was great; the threat of an imminent attack by an enemy that has enough knowledge and power to simulate all of Earth. The fact that the later episodes did not deliver doesn't retroactively ruin a good cliffhanger

>>83546760
It honestly made the whole thing feel a bit comical to me.

>>83546759
I has feeling that RTD did it, like, all the time. He is a very cruel guy, unlike the gentle, not loving to kill characters Moffat.

>>83546746
Doctor Who episodes do not have to be needed. Extremis was worth an episode, that's why it was made. Pyramid could use a different villain but either way it's a worthwhile episode (And extremis needed to amount to something). The Lie of the Land was bad because Whithouse was bad, in fact if it itself was expanded into 2 parter (Making it a loose 4 parter overall) and have better worldbuilding and side characters (And better resolution) it would be good. Could be useful as series finale. Moffat's last bow, shadow world where everything is different and companion sacrifices herself to fix it.

>>83546787
But he cant act.

>>83546211
Moffat has proven he's great at self-contained episodes, but he's absolute shit as a showrunner.

Maybe Chibnall will have the opposite thing going for him.

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>>83546787
Capaldi has never put in a bad performance despite the shit writing.

Moffat still has his tongue in Matt Smith's arse. Of course "his" Doctor would have to be le epic special live for a gorillion years man because he's so amazing.

FUCKING HACK.

>>83546800
Or why they were able to magically restore The Doctor's sight. I was sure this was a clue everything was still a simulation, which was why they could manipulate reality like that. But no they just waved their magic wands or whatever the fuck apparently

>>83546840
This is why I want RTD to write an episode. The ones he did write when he wasn't bogged down in shit story arcs and lore were his best: see Midnight.

Moffat is British lucas

>>83546818
>Doctor Who episodes do not have to be needed
What I mean is, it's a story that didn't need 3 episodes to be told, when better stories have been done in less.

>Pyramid was a worthwhile episode
Explain yourself please because I really don't agree.

>>83546816
Writers kill characters all the time (Yes, I don't like how Moff doesn't) but usually when a likeable character dies it's drama, not comedy.

Here writing doesn't feel dramatic, and doesn't feel like RTD is presenting something he considers dark and morbid. We are supposed to laugh at it. Why? Does he think being a Doctor Who fan is deserving of being absorbed into an obese alien's ass?

>>83546851
>I was sure this was a clue everything was still a simulation
Same.

They could have been quite interesting, they were clearly more powerful than the Doctor in some ways but they just sat in their gay pyramid and built statues. WHY?

>>83546602

Serious tonal shift and the message didn't handle the tonal shift well.

They play up the cast of characters as 'These are Dr Who fans' then have them all be murdered by the monster. A show shouldn't really have it's unintended message be 'Being a fan of this show will destroy you'.

It would have worked a lot better without the doctor at all, having the people stop the monster themselves with the information they've learned from research. Preferably with having them not be killed to keep the episode light. There are ways a monster could take people out without murdering them.

>>83546818

Oddly enough, I'd have scrapped Pyramid entirely.

Go straight from the simulation to 'They've taken over' and have part of it be learning how they took over/how long it's been, since a lot of it is about the monks playing with memories. You could have made it really creepy (Like Dark City sort of 'I was always this' stuff) but the memory thing was basically solved from the start of the episode.

What was that thing the Monks did when everyone was shooting at them and they shot lighting out their hands and the lightning solidified? It looked cool but I don't know why it happened and it didn't seem to affect anything

>>83546904
>Does he think being a Doctor Who fan is deserving of being absorbed into an obese alien's ass?
This. Moffat aslo shows his fans as stupid crazy freaks in Sherlock. They both hate as.

>>83546816
They're too far either side of the spectrum

RTD was too willing to kill off characters just for lols

Moffat can't bear anyone to permanently die so always has some kind of magic restoration at the end of an episode, which removes stakes or sense of consequence

>>83546787
For a long time i've never found Moffat's episodes to be good. His writing is usually confusing dribble that gets solved by an 'ah-hah' moment.

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>>83546851
Monks clearly have conditional reality warping powers. Typical fair folk stuff. They can do anything, but only when they are asked under certain conditions with a certain price.

so in monk universe, who killed all the jews?

>>83547036
Moffat is good at making people intrigued but he sucks at the middle and the end parts. his ah-hah shit is often just hero superpowers

>>83546935
Shields. One of them was dead on the ground so bullets do affect them, or something.

>>83547048
In monks universe there never been any jews.

>>83546929
>Oddly enough, I'd have scrapped Pyramid entirely.
Also an option

>>83546890
>>Pyramid was a worthwhile episode
>Explain yourself please because I really don't agree.
I think it has fairly interesting premise and resolution, and with Whithouse exposition they actually plugged the plothole in Monks being picky.

>>83547043
why didn't Bill just ask them to fuck off then?

>>83547048
A monk with a little hitler stache

>>83547105
Because they grant wishes in exchange for planets and you are either stupid or trolling.

>>83544796
Trump was the one that started the "fake news" thing.

Then the media's eventual countermeme was "alternative facts"

Does anyone know what the fuck is Nardole's deal? There are some lines that suggest he was a cyborg all along even in The Husbands of River Song. He said before that this wasn't his original face and I think in this episode he said he won his hand in a game. But the Doctor says that he bought Nardole his lungs. And in Mysterio he says "You cut me out of Hydroflax because you were worried you'd be lonely." That implies he revived Nardole after his marriage to River Song ended to travel with him. But in the flashback in Extremis he says he "Followed you from Darillium, on the explicit orders of your late wife, River Song." And when did Mysterio even happen if the Doctor has been guarding the vault since he joined up with Nardole?

>>83547183
No, the left's propanda labelled opposition as "fake news" that needs to be censored, and Trump was like "No you".

Alternative facts was a PR blunder of Trump administration adopted by the left to mock him, this much is true.

>>83546500
It has windows lit up as if it's not an underground basement

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>TFW no qt monk girl

>>83546843
Capaldi was on autopilot in sleep no more
that's the only time

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>>83547200
>He said before that this wasn't his original face
I don't understand why everybody seems to assume that this means he looked different. I took it to mean that his current face is an artificial replication of his biological face.

But yeah, his timeline is a fucking mess.

>>83547200
>And when did Mysterio even happen if the Doctor has been guarding the vault since he joined up with Nardole?
Presumably between Husbands and the Extremis flashback

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>>83546843
>Capaldi has never put in a bad performance despite the shit writing.
I love Capaldi but he was pretty garbage in S9's opener. Specifically the "muh clala" scene.

>>83547200
He's a cyborg, and his organic parts are one of those look-exactly-like-a-human-but-aren't races that Doctor Who has.

It could just be that The Doctor was adventuring with Nardole but went to he execution planet alone, since it was personal business and he didn't want Nardole there.

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>>83547183
How does it feel to be the victim of historical revisionism?

"Fake News" as a widespread pop culture term was started the day after the 2016 election. It was spread by MSM outlets as a justification to how trump won - the narrative being that people had fallen for "fake news" stories that made hillary look bad and so voted for trump because they thought he was the least worst of the two.

Within a month Trump had thrown it back at them and they started branding it as a trump excuse for when things went wrong. Now it's used by both sides of politics as a gotcha phrase when either a news article is literally false or it's biased enough that information is spun or excluded to make readers react a certain intended way.

Am I the only who's noticed the horrible, gigantic pacing issues in Series 9 and 10? What the fuck is up with that? Literally every episode has them standing in a room and talking for at least 30 minutes.

>>83547200
>And when did Mysterio even happen if the Doctor has been guarding the vault since he joined up with Nardole?
It's not canon
You don't have a superhero appearing on the news with no global consequences. It doesn't fit in the timeline and has never been mentioned again.

>>83547339
>Literally every episode has them standing in a room and talking for at least 30 minute
This isn't automatically a problem, but I know what you mean

>>83547328
+ when they told people not to read wikileaks and other none official media

>>83547339
>standing in a room and talking is a bad thing
Bad pacing is when they're too busy running down corridors that the monster's only defeated in a rushed final minute of the episode - like power of three or many other late matt episodes.

Having the time for scenes to rest and focus on talking is good pacing, especially when episodes focus on character drama.

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>Writers: The Doctor is evil! How can it be??! Spoooky!
Fans: He's faking it, isn't he?
The fucking characters in the episode: He's faking it, isn't he?
>Writers: Nuh-uh, he really is evil this time, no fake
People: Holy shit! How will things turn out now?
>Writers: HAAAA-HAHAHA! IT WAS ALL A RUSE, HE WAS FAKING IT! BET YOU DIDN'T EXPECT THAT, UH? YOU BELIEVED IT, DIDN'T YOU, YOU FUCKING SHITHEADS???

I don't even know why expect decent writing from Doctor Who anymore

>>83547253
>I took it to mean that his current face is an artificial replication of his biological face.
But his original head was preserved when it was attached to the Hydroflax body, so why would he need one?

>>83547257
>>83547286
But Nardole followed him from Daryllium, implying he just left Daryllium. Or at least that they haven't seen each other since he left Daryllium. So now it's like the Doctor revived Nardole, they did Mysterio, then he went back to Daryllium and left Nardole and then Nardole somehow got orders from River Song to follow him. Maybe he and Nardole kept using Daryllium as a home base for a while? And maybe River appeared to him using the same magic ghost technology she used in Name of the Doctor? How did that even work? Best I can think of.

>>83547328
You mean I was a victim of fake news?

>>83547342
>You don't have a superhero appearing on the news with no global consequences

Or a Slitheen attack. Pr Cybermen invasion. Or Dalek invasion. Or Adipose, Judoon, Gallifrey, macarena cubes, evil wi-fi...

Reminder that in just a month alternate Eight Doctor fan series will premiere. First plot teasers next week.
Get hype!

>>83547228
fake lighting to simulate daylight is a thing we do to improve mood even in the real world

Are the body snatchers in UNIT scheduled to make an appearance this season?

whats with the politics? not everyone here's an american, we don't give a fuck about your annoying little battle between left and right

>>83547396
If you believed that "fake news" was exclusively a trumpism, yes you were a victim of fake news

>>83547398
Literally everything of those except for Gallifrey, cubes and wifi was referenced multiple times. Even in both spin off shows.

>>83547394
Hmm. Well, I'm reserving judgment until the series is over, there's always a slim chance they'll explain that apparent timeline wonkiness

Then again, the more faith I put into this series to adequately explain things, the more I'm disappointed

>>83547354
It's been a problem this series. Series 9 was fine, because we had like 12 and Davros taking but at the same time Missy and Clara against the Daleks. What did we have this year? Fuck all. There's no action.

>>83547372
And bad pacing works with people talking for ages too. They talk so much the writers have 3 minutes left to come up with a solution to this week's monster, bring Bill home and have Nardole shout at 12 or a Vault scene. Just look at Pyramid or Smile.

>>83547375
This was perhaps the worst instance of trailer-baiting in recent memory. This fakeout literally acheived nothing and didn't advance plot in any way, it was all for the promos.

It was obvious Doctor was faking or at least would turn around eventually. But they didn't make anything interesting out of it. He, uhm, deprogrammed some goons? Employing SWAT team was out of character for the Doctor.

Why the fuck is Bill facing absolutely no consequences for utterly fucking the world and causing the deaths/imprisonment of countless people?

Was the vault time lord technology? It was barely a cupboard when it was shown in Extremis but it's actually a huge room. Wasn't it from that planet of executioners? Why did they have it if it's time lord?

>>83547375
wait till the next ep when he mocks people like he did with sherlock

>>83547394
Oh right. Somehow I completely forgotten Nardole was in Mysterio.

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>>83547283
The part where he was on his knees begging felt really off

>>83547452
>implying "bigger on the inside" is exclusive to Time Lord technology

>>83547394
>But his original head was preserved when it was attached to the Hydroflax body, so why would he need one?
Because it's been 100 years since then?

>>83547442
>Employing SWAT team was out of character for the Doctor.
12 has shown time and time again he's not against a spot of violence. He outright shot a man to vent his frustration

>>83547427
My point still stands though.

Why haven't Gallifrey, the cubes, wi-fi- had global consequences or references?

Answer: it's Doctor Who and they don't want modern-day episodes to deviate from reality, so the public just conveniently forgets these things

>>83547396
you cheeky bastard

>>83546596
I honestly don't get why its considered the worst if nuwho it was completely average. That found footage episode with the sleep monsters was pure garbage though, I'd say thats one of the worst.

>>83547444
because everyone forgot it ever happened :^)
nobody recorded a single video in 6 months and all of the doctor's broadcasts magically disappeared too btw

>>83547444
because she was also the one who undid it. I guess you could say she reversed the morality

>>83547469
6 months of 2017 where society stagnated and remembers nothing doesn't deviate from reality at all

>>83547462
I have been kind of skim watching it but does not earth now share its space with zigots? why did not they help and why were not a representative of their forces got called when they called brits, china and rus

>>83547469
Because Moffat Completely given up on consequences. Russel did a good job establishing events in canon, so people can, for example, relate and feel risks?
If Earth is practically rebooted every episode, why would anybody care for it?

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>>83547464
That's a good point, I didn't think of that. I guess his original face would have gotten all old and wrinkly and teeth falling out and shit.

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>>83547520
how old are you?

The episode starts with some archival footage of daleks, cybermen and weeping angels referring to their attacks on earth
Why didn't they use footage of the daleks and cybermen from their attacks on earth? Why take it from Into the Dalek and Nightmare in Silver?
The weeping angels have never been part of a worldwide invasion, most people have no idea what they are
Has moff stopped caring?

Deep Breath: 50 minutes of talking

Into the Dalek: not much talking

Robot of Sherwood: talking fucking everywhere except that one last action scene

Listen: talking but done in a good way and is interesting, bravo Morefat

Time Heist: no talking

The Caretaker: no talking

Kill the Moon: not much talking

Mummy on the Orient Express: a little talking but it's actually glorified by the 66 seconds action bits

Flatline: quite a bit of talking

In the Forest of the Night: talking fucking everywhere

Dark Water: lots of talking but it's actually intriguing

Death in Heaven: bit of talking but not too much

>>83547548
>Has moff stopped caring?
implying he ever cared about anything other than his agenda and his oppression turning his protagonists into gary stus

>>83547540
like,, maybe 5, or 6 right now. my dude.

>>83547590
You're saying this like talking is a bad thing and not a breath of fresh air after the show got so bland and forgettable after S5

>>83547590
>Kill the Moon: not much talking
What are you talking about? It was almost all talking.

>>83547667
What was the reference to the number 12?

Last Christmas: too much talking

The Magician's Apprentice: oh boy, so fucking slow, people talk forever and say things that should be shown not said, fuck you Morefat

The Witch's Familiar: 12/Davros talking was pretty nice but dragged on unnecessarily

Under the Lake: not much talking, quite a good balance with action desu

Before the Flood: just go fuck yourself Toby, the bootstrap paradox explanation is the icing on the cake and it happens in the first two fucking minutes

The Girl Who Died: pretty okay talking

The Woman Who Lived: 44 minutes of talking and 1 minute with Ashildr opening the portal, just go fuck yourself Catherine

The Zygon Invasion: boring desu, it's not even down to the talking, it's just what happens isn't good or interesting

The Zygon Inversion: oh fuck off Peter really

Sleep No More: literally 45 minutes of exposition, there's even a fucking narration

Face the Raven: SHOW DON'T TELL IT EVEN BEGINS WITH THEM ESCAPING A MONSTER BUT WE DON'T SEE IT GO FUCK YOURSELF SARAH YOU HACK

Heaven Sent: bravo Morefat

Hell Bent: there's even narration again, there's the first 20 minutes where he just walks back to his retirement home and gets to eat supper, isn't Retired Who great?

>>83547660
you are like a baby

>>83547667
should we add vulcan nerve pinch?

>>83547590
>>83547727
Is this what it's like in the mind of a pleb who watches doctor who for running down corridors but also gets influenced by the /who/ hivemind on key episodes?

>>83547756
That's "nardole saves the doctor"

>>83547727
Show don't tell is meme advice for amateur writers, not a law that determines how good a story is.

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-series-10-2017-uk-ratings-accumulator-84045.htm

>3.01 million

Christ. Is this the lowest ever?

What was the monks' goal?
Why did he fake a regeneration if Bill doesn't know about regeneration?
Does the Doctor now have the ability to emit regeneration energy?
If he's going to go around wasting regeneration energy why didn't he just fix his eyes?
How did the monks fix the Doctor's eyes?
Why did they not just kill the Doctor?
Why did the Doctor's plan required six months of preparation?
How did Bill link minds with the monk?
Why did the monk controlling the thought machine not make an effort to physically restrain anyone?
Why didn't they just shoot that monk like they did the others?
Why did they move the pyramid?
Why were they even using a pyramid?
Why was no one guarding the outside of the pyramid?
Why did they keep their ship on Earth and not in space?
Why was Missy the other "last Time Lord" if Time Lords are back?
How did the simulation ultimately tie into the Monk's plans?
Why could they accurately predict everything up to the virus outbreak but nothing after?
Why was the Veritas even in the simulation?
Why was everyone's reaction to finding out the truth to kill themselves?
Why did they need consent to power the fake news machine?
The memory changing signal didn't work on time lords. Was it focused on humans? What about all the zygon immigrants?
The guy whose cassette player got destroyed by a bullet - why was he getting shot at by a human?
How strong was that plastic cassette player that it could stop a bullet?
Why did the Monks make everyone wear blue overalls?
When they say the human race had become slaves, what were they enslaved to do?
If the Monks erased themselves from everyone's minds, what happens to the family members of the people sent to "labour" camps?
What about all of the video footage that was taken in that time?
What about the massive square of land in the middle of london that was wiped out for the pyramid?
What happened to the people that were killed?
What happened to people whose whole lives were changed in the past 6 months?

I can't get over the fact that Bill's fucking tulpa saved her from being mindwiped. I mean shit, a midseason sacrifice would have been a fucking gutsy move, but no, let's keep her alive due to a fucking mental condition.

>>83547726
in oxygen the suits hadn't mapped out sector 12 yet

>>83547778
while I will admit that as criticism it is overused and often used wrong, there are still times when story would have been better delivered by showing things instead of characters talking about those things. show don't tell, applies to books as well and you know their are not a visual medium

The Pilot: actually a nice talking/action balance desu

Smile: so fucking boring, so slow, not even clever dialogue, Boyce a hack

Thin Ice: bravo Sarah this time you showed the monster! Too bad your episode is a shitty Beast Below rip-off

Knock Knock: more talk, literally nothing happens until the last 10 minutes except vapid, horribly acted teen dialogue no one cares about

Oxygen: very nice, no talking

Extremis: talking too much, thinks it's clever and needs to explain it all to us for far too long, fuck off Morefat we got it when they said it was a simulation

Pyramid: oh welcome back Peter Hackness, we certainly missed you go fuck yourself it's just 45 minutes of dialogue that isn't even pretending to be clever and rightfully so because it fucking isn't

Lie: there's no saving this, even the action scenes are shit

>>83547788
10 years for possessing comics - what happened to most kids then, since a lot of them would have had comics?
Was the doctor's overreaction to getting shot just bad acting, or was it an intentional hint of it being fake?
"Humans have learnt that they can overthrow dictators and stuff" - like that's never happened in human history before?

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>>83547788
>What was the monks' goal?
I don't know why people keep asking this. The last two episodes explicitly said they were here to conquer Earth, and they did so. This episode they were simply maintaining their control with the false memories.

>>83547836
>10 years for possessing comics - what happened to most kids then, since a lot of them would have had comics?
Presumably they threw away their comics because they love Monks now and don't like banned comics.
>Was the doctor's overreaction to getting shot just bad acting, or was it an intentional hint of it being fake?
It's fake, so I'll go with the later
>"Humans have learnt that they can overthrow dictators and stuff" - like that's never happened in human history before?
The point probably was that people don't like Monks anymore, but sort of. Any government needs people to think it's invincible to rule, since rulers can't walk door to door and beat people up for not obeying personally. Without this faith government will collapse.

>>83544945
Wow, Trumptards really are full of shit.

>>83547758
I don't like the RTD era either. Series 5-8 were GOAT. Series 9 is admittedly okay if you remove Woman. Series 10 is fucking boring. Just look at the ratings. Nothing happens in the episode, it's vapid, no wonder there are no consequences. They just keep saying things but we never see them onscreen, they might as well be lying.

>>83547778
It fucking is when you have a three parter about Monks who aren't developed, don't even speak a word in the last part, aren't given a motive, are shown to be incredibly powerful but leave their ship open to all and unguarded, and so on. They had 3 episodes to flesh them out, instead they went and said "oh look they can give the Doctor his eyesight" we never saw how they did, why they had this power, ... it's fucking terrible.

>>83547940
Ratings are not an indication of episode quality
They're an indication of how many people saw the episode
People don't tune into an episode already knowing if it will be good or not

>>83547851
CANCELLATION INBOUND

>>83547940
>It fucking is when you have a three parter about Monks who aren't developed, don't even speak a word in the last part, aren't given a motive, are shown to be incredibly powerful but leave their ship open to all and unguarded, and so on. They had 3 episodes to flesh them out, instead they went and said "oh look they can give the Doctor his eyesight" we never saw how they did, why they had this power, ... it's fucking terrible.

I __agree

>>83547978
It's a good indicator for the season though, the whole seasons figures have been dropping.

>>83547788
>What was the monks' goal?
They did it for the lolz. these days everyone needs gimmick for a conquest.
>Why did he fake a regeneration if Bill doesn't know about regeneration?
for himself
>Does the Doctor now have the ability to emit regeneration energy?
yes. I recall him using it few times to heal people. also was not there an x mas ep where he used it for combat?
>If he's going to go around wasting regeneration energy why didn't he just fix his eyes?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>Why did they not just kill the Doctor?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Why did not they keep bill imprisoned or watched at all times?
>Why did the Doctor's plan required six months of preparation?
it was an asspull.
>How did Bill link minds with the monk?
backtrace
>Why were they even using a pyramid?
thematic consistency
>Why was Missy the other "last Time Lord" if Time Lords are back?
as superman
>How did the simulation ultimately tie into the Monk's plans?
It did not. it would have if they had not gone with brainwashing or used the simulations to step ahead of doc but nope.
>Why was the Veritas even in the simulation?
it would be a limited simulation if they could not notice that they are not real. Then again it opens up questions of how did it not crash 1000 times. I mean we all play games where we say numbers/guess numbers/etc or school math class.
>Why was everyone's reaction to finding out the truth to kill themselves?
so the monks would not get good date and they could save the real earth.
>How strong was that plastic cassette player that it could stop a bullet?
nokia strong
>When they say the human race had become slaves, what were they enslaved to do?
generate dank memes.
>What happened to the people that were killed?
They were sacrifice for bills choices. now forget about them and watch her have some lez fun.

>>83547978
No but they're a clear sign of a downward trend. Last week's episode was boring, nothing happened, people stood in a room and talked, why should they bother next week? What tells them it won't be the exact same thing? It already happened before in the same series with Smile so now they probably think every episode is like that.

The problem with Pyramid is not that it was people talking
The problem that it was people talking about exposition and boring menial shit instead of the talking being character drama

>>83547788
>What was the monks' goal?
They just get off on being worshiped I guess.

>Why did the Doctor's plan required six months of preparation?
The reason that makes sense: He was un-brainwashing guards one by one so he had the necessary force to take on the Monks. Also the less justifiable reason: he was waiting for Bill to somehow find him so he could test her loyalty and protect her. And letting the monks execute people in the meantime.

>Why did the monk controlling the thought machine not make an effort to physically restrain anyone?
It was clearly unable to move or respond to any outside stimulus while hooked up to the machine. The Doctor literally waved his hand in front of its face and it had no reaction.

>Why did they move the pyramid?
Isn't it implied there were many pyramids? Not sure why that was apparently the main one though.

>How did the simulation ultimately tie into the Monk's plans?
They used it to find the perfect moment to intervene in Earth's history and take over and how to manipulate things to their advantage... which just happens to be soon after the Doctor received that message from the simulation Doctor.

>Why could they accurately predict everything up to the virus outbreak but nothing after?
I assume they couldn't use it after they took over Earth because they'd also be simulating a version of themselves that also has access to a simulation with a version of themselves and so on.

>Why was the Veritas even in the simulation?
Someone realized they were living in a simulation and wrote it.

>Why was everyone's reaction to finding out the truth to kill themselves?
Because it's depressing I guess. And if you know you could be deleted at any time, why not go out on your own terms? But I agree it's a little much to think that everyone without fail would have this reaction.

>>83547871
she and John Simm are the best

They had three episodes to flesh the monks out but they preferred having three episodes of people standing in rooms, talking. There's something very fucking wrong with Moffat and his crew.

>>83547889
>Any government needs people to think it's invincible to rule
This is false.

>>83547940

>It fucking is when you have a three parter about Monks who aren't developed, don't even speak a word in the last part, aren't given a motive, are shown to be incredibly powerful but leave their ship open to all and unguarded, and so on. They had 3 episodes to flesh them out, instead they went and said "oh look they can give the Doctor his eyesight" we never saw how they did, why they had this power, ... it's fucking terrible.

What makes me piss is that they have the power to predict the future via perfect simulation. They can shoot lasers out of their hands and shield themselves from bullets. They can stop planes in the air and pluck submarines from the water before they fire missiles. They have teleportation powers.

Why would they fuck about with a consent powered fake news machine?

>>83548061
>They just get off on being worshiped I guess.
Oh go fuck yourself. I forgave Moffat before for Amy and Rory's departure and made my own canon. I forgave Moffat for returning to Gallifrey but making it all about Clara because I thought it was her final episode so it had to be about her. But this time? No fucking excuse, he had three episodes to give them a goal, it wasn't even difficult but no he fucking didn't. I'm done with him.

We still don't know what the motive of the monks was
Do they just want to rule over a population?
They had the ability to manipulate reality in Pyramid, doing shit like repairing cameras and fixing the doctor's eyes, but they didn't use those powers to disable the guns that were being shot at them?

I don't know what kind of cooperation the three writers had with each other but it sure as fuck wasn't enough. The monks were portrayed differently in every single episode and there were far too many unanswered questions

>>83548061

>Isn't it implied there were many pyramids? Not sure why that was apparently the main one though.

It was said that there are like 12 monks on Earth and the pyramid is their spaceship, the only one.

>>83547458
I honestly thought the midget woman was gonna have more of an impact on why shit was gonna go apocalyptic, like she would be too short to hit an override button or something. It's also a bit ridiculous when most of the equipment was built too high for her to use.

>>83548061
>he was waiting for Bill to somehow find him so he could test her loyalty and protect her. And letting the monks execute people in the meantime.

Bill only found the doctor because nardole showed her, and nardole was with the doctor the whole time

>>83548061
Nardole could literally have come to Bill after his 6 weeks in bed. They waited 6 months. They're just hacks, I'm sorry but it really showed this series.

>>83548145
Yeah, just DW trying to be more PC

why can't monks deal with the mom memory? This is as stupid as Clara's leaf

>>83548102
Because Moffat, Harness and Whithouse are all hacks.

>>83548145
>like she would be too short to hit an override button or something
That's ableist as fuck though anon, no way steven "historical revisionism is a moral duty" moffat would do that

WHERE THE FUCK IS SIMM RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>83548247
>Clara's leaf
fuck I had forgotten pre-capaldi clara
she really was a terrible companion before capaldi

>>83548125
Their goal was to rule Earth and have everyone worship them. It's like the most basic villain goal there is, do they need to have some kind of ulterior motive for it?

>>83548139
>It was said that there are like 12 monks on Earth
Yeah but they're trying to maintain the illusion that there are a lot more, so wouldn't having multiple pyramids be part of that? IDK, I guess if they could move the pyramid relatively easily why would they keep it in Middleofnowherestan?

>>83548149
>>83548222
Oh yeah. But if Nardole was with the Doctor then wasn't he a prisoner too? Maybe the Doctor had to get the guards on his side before Nardole could escape.

They should have used the Doctor's memory of Clara to save the day.

>>83548268
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he has literally a 1 minute cameo

>>83548268
He's the episode 11 cliffhanger, what were you expecting?

>>83548145
kek, you shitlord. I was surprised she even works there (not for shitlord reasons). I watched space brothers and they made a big deal about how short people could not go into space because the suits have to be X size, assumed it was same with hazmats

Remember when we thought Missy was significantly involved in the 3-parter's plot? Remember when we thought Lie of the Land was going to feature an evil Capaldi? Remember when we thought the regeneration would be significant or interesting?

Remember when we thought the 3-parter would be good?

>>83548283
>Their goal was to rule Earth and have everyone worship them. It's like the most basic villain goal there is, do they need to have some kind of ulterior motive for it?
But why? What does that give them? Why did they need consent? Why did they need to be loved? What was their goal after ruling the planet?

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>>83548328
Stop now.

>>83548283

>do they need to have some kind of ulterior motive for it?
Almost every villain has motives to conquer Earth.
When I think about it, Sycorax were more compelling villians than Monks.

>>83547788
>>83548125
>>83548132

The monks goal is to take over Earth. Don't act like DW has never before had an alien enemy whose only goal was conquest, with no motive beyond "we're evil"

>>83548259
well doctor needing his eyes was ableist as fuck(I mean who has that kind of lock on the inside, contrived as fuck). hell when he made him blind I assumed it would be for some feel good stuff, instead he got lazy and gave him magic aid software and turned it into a shitty joke were nardole says shit aloud

>>83548296
all my yes. I half expected bills memories of being a strong gay women, overweight the world

>>83548358
that pic is scarier than anything hes written in years

>>83548328
>Remember when we thought the regeneration would be significant or interesting?
nobody ever thought this

>>83548268
Its going to be Moriarty all over again
>>83548328
I was not here for that. so I guess haha , im smarter than you

>>83548328
Remember when we thought this would turn out to be another simulation?

Remember when we thought the first Doctor was in the vault?

Remember when we thought 12 would "hold back" his regeneration and we'd get a glimpse of 13?

>>83547800
Eh, could possibly just be a random number. It's not like the sector is specially related to the Doctor.

>>83548268
The lack of Simm so far is disturbing. I hope he'll at least be in episodes 11 and 12 both.

>>83548330
They just WANT to be loved and obeyed, anon. Those are things that most people want, even they wouldn't go as far as the Monks to get them.

>>83548330
>>83548468
It was stated that if they are loved as a rulers, the people are far less likely to want to overthrow them. The idea is that it's a more efficient method of conquest

>>83548307
That's just it though. sometimes someone who's '''''''differently abled'''''' is a liability in certain roles. They don't make hazmat suits that size, scientific equipment like the fucking safety vents the plants were being grown in can't be purchased to custom specifications for a midget, and it was even being baited that she's gonna be significant because of that whole 'oops she broke her glasses' thing at the start.


As an aside, I don't think being hungover makes you unable to see things on a screen so bad you fuck up typing a number.

>>83548468
So why exactly there were labour camps and "slavery" if humans and monks could just cooperate? Monks are almighty space wizards anyway, they can cure cancer etc, so people would love them naturally.

Remember when we thought series 10 would be good?

Also LotL has the worst overnight figures in the show's history.

>overthrowing people is not a go to solution not because its a complex issue and often ends up putting worse people in charge. no its because people are sheep
woke show bro

>>83548501
>As an aside, I don't think being hungover makes you unable to see things on a screen so bad you fuck up typing a number.
You've never misspelled a word typing whilst hungover? That's what he did, but with a demical point

>>83548459
>Remember when we thought the first Doctor was in the vault?
When was that? I assumed it was the master from day 2.

>>83548549
I'd be aware enough to check that shit or type slower.

>>83548498
bull. They needed someone willing to set up the link. its efficient in a sense that it does not take a lot of forces but results wise I don't see it paying off often

>>83548528
>Also LotL has the worst overnight figures in the show's history.
Good.
I'm glad they put the worst episode of the series up against BGT.
It didn't deserve to be watched and only raises more questions.

>>83548581
"If I was so hungover I couldn't concentrate on typing properly, I'd just concentrate on typing properly"

>>83548536
But Trump deserves to LITERALLY be pulled out of the White House by force and probably tarred and feathered if not worse, he is going to be the next Hitler for sure and proves that humanity is moving backwards and entering a new dark age.

Remember when we thought bunnies would save the world?

>>83548517
ah but strategy is not love, anon (or some shit like that)

>>83547667
Don't let us down, Mark, we're almost there!

>>83548623
ah but you think you are living WW2 when it could just as well be the french revolution. writers love the power of the people bullshit because they are insulated cucks

>>83548633
>Remember when we thought bunnies would save the world?
no?

>>83548549
I would stay at home or ask a co worker for help.

>>83548633
>Remember when we thought bunnies would save the world?
Wait, when was that?

>>83548633
But consenting of a one person isnt love either.

Was 11 really going to take a 10 year-old girl with him in TEH?

Sick bastard.

>>83548663
neither to remember half the "Remember when we" posts here must be the monk brainwashing

>>83548623
To do that he would have to stop floundering and get his shit together.

>>83548689
it was like if presidents daughter tell you yes meant you could use the nukes.

>>83546327

T H I C

Class cancelled, but...

https://twitter.com/Patrick_Ness/status/871262211192360960

...Series 2 was to feature the Weeping Angel's planet and a huge civil war

>>83548695
>neither to remember half the
wtf are you talking about, anon?

>>83548735
KINO

>>83548695
was going to say neither do I

>>83548690
Yeah, I'm not comfortable with the idea that the Doctor would willingly endanger a child like that. I guess he could try not to take her to dangerous places, but isn't that what he usually tries?

>>83548735
What's stopping him putting that into a Doctor Who episode?

>>83548735
On a scale of shit to shitkino, how shit would it have been?

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C-CLASS HASN'T B-BEEN CANCELLED B-BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO WRITE F-FOR IT ANYWAY, A-ALSO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT WITH WEEPING ANGELS PLANET AND B-BIG WARS B-BUT I DIDN'T W-WANT TO WRITE FOR IT BY THE WAY I D-DON'T EVEN CARE

>>83548750

Why not? He did it with his Grandaughter and several children after that.

>>83548728
That, actually sounds plausible.

>>83548735
Ness had fucked up so badly, I don't even.

>>83548767

>A-ALSO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT WITH WEEPING ANGELS PLANET

I don't see the appeal. The more we see of the weeping angels, the less effect they have. That's the appeal of them, an unseen threat.

>>83547788

THEY HAD THREE EPISODES TO TELL A COHERENT STORY. THREE. EPISODES.

>>83548818
It's not that they are useen, it's that Moffat keeps piling on nonsensical traits.

Angels would actually make a decent antagonists for Class, since it doesn't take anything special to win a staring contest unlike fighting a lava monster.

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>tfw simm saves series 10
you know it's going to happen

>>83548773
actually it sounds stupid and just illustrates how stupid the situation was. doctor has the real power so his pets consent should mean nothing power wise so we have to assume it was all a pretext. maybe in the simulation they learned that turning her into a link would keep doctor from killing her, I mean if it was anyone else he would not kill them but they would die and he would move on

>>83548735
>didn't put the actually interesting stuff in the first season
Jesus.

>>83548923
Had to make room for all the gay sex.

>>83548770
>He did it with his Grandaughter
I don't think he understood what he was getting into when he first left Gallifrey. He probably thought he'd be able to control where he went and wouldn't constantly wind up in dangerous situations. Plus even Susan is a lot more of an adult than kid Amy in TEH. Wasn't she like 10 years old?

>and several children after that.
All not canon or they were homeless with nowhere else to go or he took them by accident.

I guess 11 did have the reason that the crack had absorbed her family and could pose a danger to her, but she seemed to grow up fine regardless.

>>83548944
The gay sex didn't even take that long, it was the retarded shadowkin subplot.

>>83548854
>Simmy is an anagram of Missy

>>83548818
its less about being unseen and more about being unexpected and inevitable, like freddy krueger

Hey guys. Back again. I was the guy who came here having seen 5, 6 and 7.

I've seen 11 and 12. AMA.

>>83548854
Don't kid yourself, this shite is beyond saving.

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>>83548767
>PNess when

>>83548923
I would say something but we all know how fans are. Whenever the first season ends the fans are always like "yeah it was shit but the show needs time to get going and find its legs" pilot episodes have turned into pilot seasons

Fuck off /who/ you honestly think you could write a decent story where everyone has clear motivations and character development with only a measly 2 hours and 15 minutes run time?

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>>83548767
>tfw pness got sacked

>>83548978
worst episode you've ever seen, with reasons

>>83549002
Haven't you got better stuff to be doing, Toby?

>>83548978
tell me about the master

>>83548854
>Monks 3-parter will save the series!
>Missy will save the monks 3-parter!
>Simm will save the series!
>The Christmas special will save the series!

We are a tragic lot, Who fans. Eternally waiting for a series salvation that never comes

>>83549007
Probably Nightmare in Silver. I felt really let down by it and the Cybermen were OP. I did mean questions more in regards to the finale episodes of DW Series 10, though.

>>83549002
yeah, fuck those movie writing faggots

>>83549034
He appears mostly in Episode 12 but also in Episode 11 but disguised. He spends a lot of time with Bill in Episode 11 but his identity isn't revealed to her or the audience until the end of Episode 11. There is a great pre titles sequence set on Gallifrey with The Master being broken out of confinement by Missy.

>>83547886
Don't think you understand, what was their goal with conquering earth? Their reason is never established.

>>83545924
Are you having a stroke?

>>83549075
Episode 11 is set entirely on a spaceship.

Why u lyin?

>>83548735
What the fuck would a Weeping Angel planet even be?

>>83549096
It is bar the pre titles sequence. The spaceship is more like a city, really.

>>83549085
What's the Master's goal with conquering the universe?

>>83549085
Their goal with conquering Earth is to conquer Earth.

Why do any of the alien races in Who want to conquer Earth?

>>83549109
Detail what happens with the Mondas cybermen. Do they have their original voices? Why are they there?

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Instead of having to have a separate full plot in each episode, why not adopt this model and use a three act structure?

>>83549103
A planet where everyone has to constantly avoid looking at each other.

>>83549095
I'm just a Czech.

>>83549122
He is shown to be mentally unstable at times and essentially does it so the doctor shows up and they can have a chat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ5rNBfPp2I
Looks pretty fun desu.

>>83549145
The Mondasian Cyberman don't appear till like the second half of Episode 11. They are forced to use mechanical body parts from the ship to survive and this is how they are created.

>>83549122
he is sick, also his goal is not fixed.
>>83549133
>Their goal with conquering Earth is to conquer Earth.
Why? Do you go to work, just to work?

>>83549148
that would require decent writers I'm afraid

>>83549096
It's true. It's got massive hospitals on them. It takes place after Mondas was destroyed and they are rebuilding before they make their way to Telos.

>>83549133
revenge, some as a food source, some programmed to be that way, slave labour, etc

>>83548759
Chris Chibnall.

>>83549145
Yes they their original voices, forgot to add. At least from what I remember.

>>83549103
a planet with no light. a planet without a sun. a "dead" planet, but very much alive.

>>83549148
So, just painting by numbers.

>>83549174
When I go to work I don't end up with a planet of loyal slaves.

CYKA BLYAT MOFFAT

>>83549214
you get money with which you can buy loyal slaves. stop being obtuse, you know what people are asking

>inb4 they are in a simulation within a simulation

Why do Gallifrey Base rate every episode 8 or 9 out of 10 no matter the quality?

Do they not understand how ratings work?

Hell, an 8 means the episode was fantastic. An 8 is something like 'Midnight', 'Turn Left' or 'Silence in the Library'.

We've never got a 10/10 Doctor Who episode really.

Heaven Sent wasn't too far off, though.

>>83549168
Wait, is the ice warrior flesh coloured or have I gone completely colourblind finally?

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>>83549187
But their mouths don't open as wide as they used to right?

>>83549224
Stop forcing this. Stop it now. Yes, you can, and you will, or russian fandom will be over. I'll show you and all your funny little friends to the whole laughing world. I'll bring FuckNo, I'll bring TeamTARDIS. Give me a minute, I'll bring Rogozhin and Asta. You will stop postig this here, and you will do it now, or I will rain hell on you for the rest of time.