/who/ - Doctor Who General

Realistic Series 8 ratings:

>Deep Breath: 7/10
>Into the Dalek: 7/10
>Robot of Sherwood: 6/10
>Listen: 9/10
>Time Heist: 6/10
>The Caretaker: 6/10
>Kill the Moon: 5/10
>Mummy on the Orient Express: 9/10
>Flatline: 8/10
>In the Forest of the Night: 3/10
>Dark Water: 8/10
>Death in Heaven: 6/10

Realistic Series 9 ratings:

>The Magician's Apprentice: 5/10
>The Witch's Familiar: 7/10
>Under the Lake: 6/10
>Before the Flood: 4/10
>The Girl Who Died: 6/10
>The Woman Who Lived: 3/10
>The Zygon Invasion: 6/10
>The Zygon Inversion: 7/10
>Sleep No More: 4/10
>Face the Raven: 8/10
>Heaven Sent: 10/10
>Hell Bent: 5/10

Realistic Series 10 ratings:

>The Pilot: 7/10
>Smile: 6/10
>Thin Ice: 5/10
>Knock Knock: 6/10
>Oxygen: 8/10
>Extremis: 8/10
>The Pyramid at the End of the World: 4/10
>The Lie of the Land: 6/10

Series 8 remains the best Capaldi series and it's unlikely to change now.

Who was it that came up with the regeneration concept for the show?

Fucking genius, I tell ya...

I just noticed something.

They said the brain wave thingy the monks use for consent is transmited through the lineage.

But Bill is a lesbo.

second for the second doctor!

>>83549613
Can you fucking not

>>83549628
>>83549632
these posts will have to be deleted.

>>83549637
Why would they want to?

The Doctor has already been back. Missy has been implied to have been back offscreen. They both know it'd out there, safe and sound, so now they can just carry on having adventures

>>83549660
Excuse me?

>>83549613
I disagree.

>>83549660
why though

>>83549613
I said
>Smile: 3/10
>Thin Ice: 6/10
>Oxygen: 7/10
>The Pyramid at the End of the World: 5/10
>>83549632
so? She could also get killed by a car or be sent to the camps. They don't seem to keep an eye on the transmitters but if its your fetish you can pretend that brainwashing would make her want cock

>>83549671
>>83549681
so he can be second for second doctor. Although I'd recommend deleting the first post instead of one of those.

>>83549637
>>83549662
If the Doctor and Missy can just pop in and out of Gallifrey why do the other Time Lords just sit around doing fuck all?

>>83549704
>t. nuwho babby

I feel like if Heaven Sent had been written as a 19th century English novel it would be regarded as a literary classic and be studied.

>>83549637
because they ran from there?Think of it as dead parents, you miss them but you would not want to go back to the daily humiliations

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>>83549613
>The Pilot
>higher than Knock Knock
>Oxygen
>higher than Knock Knock
>Extremis
>higher than Knock Knock

>>83549725
um i think that's taking it a bit too far

>>83549704
>why do the other Time Lords
because they are proper time lords

>>83549752
Knock Knock was utter shite

>>83549752
Knock Knock was shit m8

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>tfw ywn be able to forget how much of an abortion the monk trilogy was

>>83549757
Only plebs would disregard the Dickensenian, H.G. Wellsian qualities of Heaven Sent's narrative.

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>>83549762
>>83549764
>Knock Knock was utter shite
>Knock Knock was shit m8

>>83549704
I think there was a line in Hell Bent about them not wanting to get involved with shit anymore, last time they did that it started the Time War

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>>83549752
knock knock
>who's there?
shit taste
>shit taste who?
shit taste you

>>83549757
Why? I Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and man in the high castle (and a lot less worthy examples)made it so why not that?

>>83549783
please tell me why you think Knock Knock was good

For me the only episodes where you can feel that writers actually cared about the episode are The Pilot and Oxygen.

The Pilot is a nice mix of action and presentation of a companion. TARDIS introduction scene is really great, it's overall really comfy and well-paced. The plot is touching to a certain extent, and feels rushed just a little bit.

Oxygen is just pretty solid, it's not any better than some above average episodes of previous series tho.

Everything else is just lazy and underdeveloped as fuck.

>>83549768
I am so salty that they wasted 3 whole episodes on it.

The concept might've made for an alright episode if it was compressed into one ep

At least we have RISE MY ICE WARRIORS HISSSSSS to look forward to next week

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>>83549833
>tfw you're actually looking forward to gatiss's campy jules verne bank holiday monday feel

>>83549725
The directing is half of what makes the episode, making it a novel would make it a completely different work. But assuming the prose was as good as the directing, I still think the sci fi concepts would be considered too gimmicky. Classic literature tends not to have twist endings.

>>83549752
Knock Knock more like Schlock Schlock, AMIRITE GUYS???

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So, is the Missy based Master on /who/ opinion?

>>83549857
she's very good

>>83549805
Because it actually told a story that was the main focus of the episode instead of some hamfisted political bollocks and "racism is bad: the episode" for the 100th time since the revival. But I guess the only people still watching Doctor Who now are the ones who can't live without their daily brainwashing, so it figures that you'd dislike something that doesn't explicitly decry racism at least once every 5 minutes.

>>83549830
>The Pilot is a nice mix of action and presentation of a companion. TARDIS introduction scene is really great, it's overall really comfy and well-paced. The plot is touching to a certain extent, and feels rushed just a little bit.
are you delusional?

>>83549877
>"racism is bad: the episode" for the 100th time since the revival.
Name 19 episodes that do this.

>>83549877
You like it purely because it didn't have a political agenda?

>>83549894
?

>>83549908
No, but there's no point mentioning any of the other reasons I like it because the last time I did that everyone just ignored the three paragraphs I wrote about that and focused solely on the single sentence I wrote about politics.

>>83549877
nice projecting m8, I hate the agenda pushing as much as you but that doesn't convince me Knock Knock isn't shit

>>83549944
I want to read your three paragraphs and not the political sentence
People focus on one key point and ignore the rest if they're experiencing cognitive dissonance and need a diversion so they can hallucinate that the rest doesn't exist. Remove the political sentence and you give them nothing else to focus on.

Looks good. Kino starts next week? ;_;

https://youtu.be/IQ5rNBfPp2I

>>83549979
>tfw esteem is so low we're looking forward to a fucking gatiss episode
>tfw it actually looks like one of the better, more fun episodes of the series

>>83549930
the pilot had beyond shitty action and pacing is janky

>>83549877
>racism is bad: the episode
I must have missed that one!

I remember an episode where a villain being a cartoon racist had nothing to do with the plot

reminder that the pilot had a scene where the doctor was playing guitar at the party where bill and heather met but they cut it out because we can't have nice themes

So were you triggered?

https://youtu.be/XHVcC9IyZ9I

>>83550001
Maybe that was the true purpose of the monks 3-parter all along

Lower our expectations so that we praise Gatiss (Moffat's buddy) as a great writer thus ensuring him work in future series

>>83550039
Legitimately prefer it to if moff pulled a handy

>regeneration is now a cheap parlour trick that the Doctor can turn on and off at will to confuse people instead of a last-ditch rebirth in a desperate situation

FUCKING MOFFHACK

>>83550039
Only when the episode ended and I realised they made no attempt to explain how he faked regeneration energy or why it was even necessary to fool Bill when she doesn't know what regenerating is

>>83549978
>People focus on one key point and ignore the rest if they're experiencing cognitive dissonance and need a diversion so they can hallucinate that the rest doesn't exist.
Or they just don't care about the rest.

>>83549978
I guess it was good for contextual reasons more than anything else. Had it appeared in series 1 or 5 or something, where the average quality of the show was higher, it would have been a completely unremarkable episode. Not GOAT, just average. But because everything that came before it in series 10 was absolute shite to me, it looked like a gem by way of comparison. I had similar feelings about Oxygen until about halfway through, at which point I thought it lost it. Extremis was good, though. To be honest, I couldn't rate any episodes other than Knock Knock and Extremis higher than 5/10 this series.

>>83550039
No, we all knew it would be a 'fake', but the way they handled it was dumb

>>83550062
This. The regeneration glow should signal death. It makes 9's regeneration scene poignant when he looks at his hand and it's glowing, and he's sad.
Him now being able to turn it on and off just ruins that.

Realistic Series 7 ratings:

>Asylum of the Daleks: 7/10
>Dinosaurs on a Spaceship: 6/10
>A Town Called Mercy: 7/10
>The Power of Three: 4/10
>The Angels Take Manhattan: 6/10
>The Snowmen: 8/10
>The Bells of Saint John: 7/10
>The Rings of Akhaten: 6/10
>Cold War: 5/10
>Hide: 7/10
>Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS: 3/10
>The Crimson Horror: 7/10
>Nightmare in Silver: 5/10
>The Name of the Doctor: 8/10

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>most likely last chance to write for Doctor Who again
>forced to write some dumb monk shit cause Moffat didn't have time to write another script

>>83549613
>In the Forest of the Night: 3/10
Way too high. 0/10. It is an episode that does not deserve to exist for any reason whatsoever and I fucking despise it. Unlike other bad episodes there isn't a single redeeming moment

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>>83550123
>The Power of Three: 4/10

>>83550172
The credits were good

>>83550181
It was utter shite m8.

>>83550088
don't forget being able to shoot regeneration energy like a super laser to blow up Dalek ships

>>83550172
Dark Water next time trailer was GOAT

>>83550181
The funny thing is I can't tell if you're implying it should've been higher or lower

lower

>>83550062
Thing that grinds my gears is that Capaldi acted really well during that. (not that he doesn't ordinarily)

>>83550088

Mirin those digits friend.

Regeneration is one of the things that makes Doctor Who good, it should always be a big deal. I love the new effect as well, that's something RTD got spot on. Yeah it's a bit showy and flashy but it looks magic and regeneration basically is magic.

>>83550222
do you think he realises when a script is shit, so tries his best to act well to try and salvage it? as a Doctor Who fan surely it must hurt him a bit to be involved with crap episodes

Realistic Series 6 ratings:

>The Impossible Astronaut: 8/10
>Day of the Moon: 8/10
>Curse of the Black Spot: 5/10
>The Doctor's Wife: 7/10
>The Almost People: 5/10
>The Rebel Flesh: 5/10
>A Good Man Goes to War: 7/10
>Let's Kill Hitler: 6/10
>Night Terrors: 5/10
>The Girl Who Waited: 8/10
>The God Complex: 8/10
>Closing Time: 3/10
>The Wedding of River Song: 4/10

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Why was that fucking story 3 episodes long

For what possible purpose

>>83550188
>>83550212
Any Brian episode should be a 10/10

So the Monks are definitely coming back for the finale, right?

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>>83550039
somewhat

>>83550266
>Closing Time: 3/10
Finally someone else who thinks it's shit

Everytime I've seen it discussed here everyone defend it as "comfy". It was total wank

>>83550306
Let's hope not, I don't know why they thought that they were going to be the next big iconic Doctor Who monster.

>>83550333
I thought most people disliked it. Or at least considered it vastly inferior to The Lodger.

>>83550270
lower our hopes so that we think the finale episodes are GOAT when they'll objectively just be ok

Is it safe to call the monk trilogy a failed experiment? They tried something different and it didn't work out. Shame they wasted three fucking episodes of capaldi's last series on it

>>83550353
That's pretty much what I think of it, but maybe I've just been here at the wrong times because I've only ever seen it praised

Realistic Series 5 ratings:

>The Eleventh Hour: 9/10
>The Beast Below: 6/10
>Victory of the Daleks: 4/10
>Time of the Angels: 8/10
>Flesh and Stone: 8/10
>The Vampires of Venice: 5/10
>Amy's Choice: 8/10
>The Hungry Earth: 7/10
>Cold Blood: 6/10
>Vincent and the Doctor: 8/10
>The Lodger: 8/10
>The Pandorica Opens: 9/10
>The Big Bang: 7/10

>>83550341
> I don't know why they thought that they were going to be the next big iconic Doctor Who monster
Because they talk in a creepy, breathy voice like The Silence! Everyone loved the Silence!

And they shoot lightning out of their hands like The Silence!

And they manipulate human history like The Silence!

And they have long fingers like The SIlence and do the exact same reaching out/slow finger curl gestures as The Silence!

Bill is a good companion. I just wish they were writing her a little more honestly. She still has that kind of 'i act a certain way' thing that they do on this show.

>>83550380
It didn't work because Whithouse did a bad job. Not because of an idea.

>>83550394
regardless of the payoff, TPO was genuinely the best penultimate episode of any Revival season, ever.
maybe closing time is better

>>83550419
...why didn't they just re-use the Silence?

>>83550419
The silence petered out too. There were so many good ideas squandered during that arc.

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>>83550419

>>83550333
how is investigating a shopping mall not comfy?

Realistic Series 4 ratings:

>Partners in Crime: 7/10
>The Fires of Pompei: 8/10
>Planet of the Oods: 4/10
>The Sontaran Stratagem: 4/10
>The Poison Sky: 3/10
>The Doctor's Daughter: 3/10
>The Unicorn and the Wasp: 7/10
>Silence in the Library: 9/10
>Forest of the Dead: 9/10
>Midnight: 9/10
>Turn Left: 8/10
>The Stolen Earth: 7/10
>Journey's End: 4/10

>>83550306
yes because they were cybermen all along
>>83550444
harness did a bad job too, and moff seems to have made no attempt to make sure they had a shared vision and communal plan so there was a payoff to all of it.

>>83550457
>regardless of the payoff, TPO was genuinely the best penultimate episode of any Revival season, ever.
Have to agree. This was back before we knew the style over substance bullshit Moffat was capable of, so history collapsing was a huge "holy fuck" moment

>>83550467
I have a suspicion this 3-parter is a Silence story Moffat never got around to using

>>83550333
>>83550353
I loved The Lodger and Closing Time because they were funny and different. It's just annoying that both plots get resolved by James Corden exclaiming that he loves his partner/baby.

>>83550470
should have just kept them in Impossible Astronaut//Day of the Moon
>>83550490
that power of love ending, nearly as bad a showing for the Cybermen as that one Torchwood episode

>>83550341
It's only really Whithouse who fucked it up.

Extremis were good (Though they were barely in it)
Pyramid is divisive, but it had a solid idea and an interesting plot (Blindness is a stupid plot device though should've gone with something else)
But The Lie was complete crap. Bad plot, bad worldbuilding, no character.

If it had a better writer, and expanded to be the series finale, it would probably be great.

>>83550490
It's possible for a comfy episode to be shit

Junk food can taste nice but it's still garbage

>>83550039
no. I don't think this was the first time.

>>83549857
tsun tsun as a fuck

>>83550531
Sure, but my issue is more with the monsters here; they're pretty forgettable.

Toby Shithouse! Right?

>>83550524
I have no problem with The Lodger though. I think Closing Time tried to replicate it and failed miserably

Also experiencing love makes Cybermen explode, plus their armour is completely hollow so that even a fat fuck like Corden can be slotted into one

>>83550088
It can still be involuntary in times of actual regeneration though

>>83550511
honestly Big Bang wasn't too bad upon first watch until Moff did exactly the same for Wedding of River Song

>>83550563
They would be remembered if their story was memorable. But I agree, they might've tried some more creative design.

Who wrote In The Forest Of The Night again? Didn't that writer also write for this series? Which episode?

Realistic Series 3 ratings:

>Smith and Jones: 7/10
>The Shakespeare Code: 5/10
>Gridlock: 5/10
>Daleks in Manhattan: 4/10
>Evolution of the Daleks: 4/10
>The Lazarus Experiment: 3/10
>42: 4/10
>Human Nature: 9/10
>Family of Blood: 9/10
>Blink: 9/10
>Utopia: 9/10
>The Sound of Drums: 7/10
>Last of the Time Lords: 4/10

>Victorian soldiers on Mars

Almost as if they're all still in a simulation...

>>83550511
>I have a suspicion this 3-parter is a Silence story Moffat never got around to using
Same. The Monks are completely interchangeable with the Silence.

>>83550605
He was probably still taking advice from Russell at the time

>"Russell what should I do for the finale of my second series?"

>"Whatever you did for the first finale you did Steven, but BIGGER! Worked for me and the Daleks! Ha Ha Ha!"

What was the point of The Doctor's blindness? Was it entirely to create that one contrived scenario so as to make Bill give the monks her consent?

Because narratively it was never a hindrance, his sonic sunglasses gave him good enough visuals of his surroundings and Nardole was always on hand to describe the rest. It never actually made things harder for The Doctor or caused him to make mistakes

It had potential to be interesting, especially if they'd kept it until regeneration

>>83550608
Yeah, they just look like typical mummies/zombies :(

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>>83550618
>GOAT set-up
>disappointing conclusion
Why does this always happen with finales?

>>83550638
and ever since that day, Moff has been trapped in an endless cycle of trying to one-up the last big finale he wrote. How many times has his Doctors taken part in their final battle now?

>>83550531
What was the solid idea, exactly? Or the interesting plot?

Lie at least had the scene of bill confronting the doctor, and good missy interactions. Pyramid was just soldiers you don't know the name of discussing tactics in a room before they all died and bill fucks the world up because the doctor forgot he could stream video footage to bill's phone

>>83550656
Also an Extremis plot point. But what would be the point of Extremis?

>>83550614
Frank Cottrel Boyce, also wrote Smile. Which was miles better than ITFOTN, I'll give him that.

>>83550614
They did Smile

Realistic Series 2 ratings:

>New Earth: 5/10
>Tooth and Claw: 6/10
>School Reunion: 5/10
>The Girl in the Fireplace: 7/10
>Rise of the Cybermen: 4/10
>The Age of Steel: 3/10
>The Idiot's Lantern: 3/10
>The Impossible Planet: 9/10
>The Satan Pit: 9/10
>Love and Monsters: 1/10
>Fear Her: 2/10
>Army of Ghosts: 6/10
>Doomsday: 5/10

>>83550696
>>83550697
Oh, right. That wasn't the greatest of episodes but he sort of redeemed himself then. ITFOTN was the biggest load of shite since Love and Monsters/Fear Her

bill's mummy saved the world from the monk mummies

>>83550661
I thought them looking vaguely like mummies and having a pyramid spaceship would be more relevant. Like they set up their plan during ancient Egyptian times or something. But no it's just a cool visual, style over substance again

>>83550672
>Pyramid was just soldiers you don't know the name of discussing tactics in a room before they all died and bill fucks the world up
Precisely this. This is interesting.

Fake-out we knew would be a fake-out that amounted for nothing but a trailer scene was shit.
Aliens who come to manipulate people into making a deal was a good plot. Flawed plot with some contrivances, but good.

>>83550717
Make Fireplace an 8/10 and I'll agree

>>83550726
See what I told you? That was stupid.

>>83550717
are these amalgamated from various sources of ratings or are you just coming up with these yourself?

>>83550656
>>83550692
DW is full of pointless shit.
What's the point of Mission to Unknown
or all that fluff about possible death of earlier incarnation and enthropy in Two Doctors?

>>83550741
The core idea is fine, but the execution was bland as fuck and full of "but why didn't they just do the logical thing" illogical moments

>>83550380
If we had any fucking idea what the Monks were doing it might have been good or even great. Instead they were shit Silent knock-offs who for some reason wanted to control planets and had magic powers to restore someone's sight.

>>83550670
He's toned it down since Capaldi. Dark Water was just Cybermen invading Earth, Hell Bent was more of a personal thing against the Time Lords. No universe-ending stakes anymore.

Realistic Series 1 ratings:

>Rose: 5/10
>The End of the World: 6/10
>The Unquiet Dead: 6/10
>Aliens of London: 5/10
>World War Three: 3/10
>Dalek: 9/10
>The Long Game: 6/10
>Father's Day: 7/10
>The Empty Child: 9/10
>The Doctor Dances: 9/10
>Boomtown: 6/10
>Bad Wolf: 8/10
>The Parting of the Ways: 7/10

>>83550816
He's got one more chance to go bigger than he's ever gone before

>>83550816
He needs to do an episode or two where it's just fun (not in a contrived way) where the companion and doctor actually get to enjoy the time and space travel without some kind or conflict or impending doom

>>83550394
Is this the greatest nuwho series on average, then?

>>83550832
setting aside the million years or whatever the reason for 11's regen, how does everyone think Capaldi will bite the dust?

>>83550871
Yes. Series 5 remains the best series ever.

>>83550872
He's going to go out with a bang while doing something reckless
bonus points for doing a guitar smash

>>83550858
>an episode without conflict
All story needs conflict or it's just boring. Unless you mean without monsters, specifically.

I can think of a story without monsters. In the Forest of the Night

>>83550884
Objectively incorrect, it's surpassed by S9

Hahaha Moffat didn't end up stealing my Benefactors idea in the end, he didn't even give the monks a goal.

>>83550906
More like in the forest of the SHITE.

>>83550618
this is really incorrect

>>83550872
The master is going to kill him, but he'll come back in a younger form.

>>83550927
he realised how good it was and is saving it for the finale

>>83550967
Simm kills him, causing him to regenerate into Simm. Then Missy kills him, causing him to regenerate into Missy. Then he kills himself, causing him to regenerate into the 15th Doctor

>>83550906
Tigers are a monster

>>83550921
No? Series 9 averages at 5.92. Series 5 at 7.15.

>>83550998
Too complex, they won't do that.

>>83550998
this is both the kind of stupid shit Moffat would pull and something too stupid for him. Wow.

Missy defo kills Simm to prove she is not evil. I can't see that not happening.

We need an actual evil Doctor.

>>83550663
The cliffhanger at the end of part 1 has more thought put into it than the overall resolution, RTD's Writer's Tale more or less confirms this. I guess it's to build up hype so more people tune in next time. It doesn't matter if the last episode is shit because it's the end of the series.

Will we see the Weeping Angels before Moffat goes?

>>83550999
fucking speciesist

>>83551010
Your subjective shit taste rankings are not absolute

>>83550618
>Gridlock: 5/10
Get out of here you filthy fucking plebian.

>>83550670
Lets not forget the series 7 finale, the 50th and the 2012 Christmas special with his very original titles!

>The Name of the Doctor
>The Day of the Doctor
>The Time of the Doctor

>>83551074
We saw them this week in archival footage when the doctor referred to some global publicly known weeping angel invasion that we never saw in any episode prior

>>83551052
Yeah I can see it. Then The Doctor lectures her about how she isn't truly good because killing is never the answer

>>83551052
It's what I expect and want to see
yet I'm almost certain there will be "it was predictable" complaints once it happens

>>83551074
I thought they were confirmed for xmas special, or was that just rumour?

Would be pottery of Moffat finished with the monsters he started with

https://twitter.com/Patrick_Ness/status/871255794137911296
P.Ness is salty

Can anyone explain to me how Bill thinking about her mother saved the world, I didn't quite get it. Something about the fact that she's not actually real, but in Bill's imagination and that threw the Monks off?

>>83551109
Almost as if that was intentional!

https://twitter.com/Patrick_Ness/status/871256325166071808

Ness is finished with Class even if it did come back

>I'm super-super sad and i fought hard to be making it right now, trust me! I'm a feisty little mofo. :)

This doesn't sound like the words of someone who decided to not do any more class ages ago like he claims

Genuinely interested to see how the deal with the prospect of humans invading next week

>>83551162
It wasn't real so it threw the monks off, but at the same time it was also a window to the world before the monks which is what caused everyone to remember the pre-monk world
then the monks retreated and ran away while doing one last memory wipe so everyone forgot the monks ever existed. I'm sure they used their reality manipulating powers to delete all of the doctor broadcasts and any video footage of anything that happened in the last 6 months off screen

>>83551147
He started with the Gas Mask Zombies from The Empty Child. He also had the Clockwork Droids, who even made a comeback. The Angels are his most successful creation, I grant you.

In fact, I would be surprised if the Weeping Angels go when Moffat goes. They're one of the most iconic villains now and I'm sure Moff would consent to someone else writing a story about them.

>>83551162
Bill created an imaginary version of her mother and has been cultivating it for a while (possibly years) so it has a degree of depth. Bill's mum is a memory construct created entirely by Bill, as opposed to Bill's other memories which come from human history which the monks have knowledge of. Bill's mum was completely outside their paradigm because she didn't exist in the real world (not in the way Bill imagines her).

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>>83551147
We're getting the nanobots back?
>>83551181
>evil white men kill ice warriors who dundu nuffin wrong

>>83551201
why didn't the monks undo restoring The Doctor's sight as a final fuck you to him?

>>83551211
>>83551231
I'm a fucking idiot, I don't know why I forgot he wrote The Empty Child

probably because it's so far removed form what he shits out these days

I'm still sad that Chris didn't return for the 50th.

Why couldn't he just do one episode lads? Just one? Not a whole series, not a movie, just one episode....even a short cameo for a proper regeneration scene.....

What were his reasons for not returning again?

OFFICIAL ON-SEASON /who/ RATINGS (out of 10)

>The Pilot 6.5
>Smile 5.5
>Thin Ice 5
>Knock Knock 7
>Oxygen 8
>Extremis 7.5
>The Pyramid at the End of the World 5.5
>The Lie of the Land 4

Season average: 6.125

>>83551280
Unhappy with conditions at the BBC; didn't like how the production team treated the lower-ranking staff

Besides, he was busy filming the epic masterpiece Thor 2

>>83551280
He had the decency to meet up with moffat in person to tell him no, if that's any consolation

>>83551307
>Season average: 6.125
fuck this is just embarrassing

>>83551181
The plot sounds good. Humans invade Mars, so this time the Ice Warriors are being invaded. On top of that, it's Victorian era people that are invading Mars somehow. The premise sounds very interesting and should see cause for conflict for the Doctor in how to handle the situation.
But then I remember it's Gatiss who wrote it.

Also, not sure about the Ice Warrior Empress thing. If written well, it could be quite good and add some nice lore to the Ice Warriors. If it's written like a women empowerment, "we don't need no man" way, it'll be cringy, so it all depends on the writing.
But then I remember it's Gatiss who wrote it.

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>>83549793
why did this make me laugh as much as it did

>>83551271
I know what you mean, such good episodes. When Moffat gets it right he can write classic Who but he's so far up his own arse now it's unreal. RTD wrote some shite but at least it wasn't as smug and complicated as Moffat's worst stuff.

>>83551393
RISE MY ICE WARRIORSSSSS HISSSS REEE

>>83551405
Moffat's worst is doctor widow wardrobe, which isn't even smug

Guys. Guys... I made it.
I am a traveler from \who\niverse. Most recently, we have a new meme — /who/, alternative version of our general. But I thought it might be true. And I was able to reach you with science stuff.
I'm ready to tell you almost everything about our universe, if you want. AMA.

>>83551375
I'm feeling it though. It's good enough, but nothing more. At least series 8 and 9, while having peaks of shittines yet unreached in series 10, had also some GOAT episodes.

>>83551443
Which is your favourite episode, Fear Her or In the Forest of the Night?

>>83551271
That two-parter cemented my love for Moffat right back when I saw it in 2005. Shame what has become of him. Also a shame that the brilliant "monsters" from The Empty Child will probably never return. The imagine of people with gas masks fused to their faces was a genuinely creepy one.
Maybe the nano-things that accidentally caused the gas mask fusing epidemic could return in some form and accidentally cause havoc again, but I don't see how they could pull it off. As a one-time monster, the Gas Mask Zombies were brilliant.

>imdb average rating for Series 9 - 8.4
>only 2 episodes above or matching this in Series 10 so far

>>83551466
My favourite episode is More Waking by greatest DW writer Mark Gatiss, I don't really sure how it's called in your universe.
It's the only episode that didn't shoot in "found tape" style.

>>83551468
I always thought that the nanogenes and the Vashta Nerada could adequately be reused. After all, the 'monsters' in those eps (Gas mask people and skeletons in spacesuits) were a product of the circumstances, so they could easily be associated with something else

>>83551555
We have an episode called "sleep no more"
But if you come from an opposite universe, I would have thought your episode equivalent would be called "continue sleeping"

Man I remember how Moffat sort of "apologized" for In The Forest of the Night after people were really loud and obvious about how shit it was. He admitted the reaction wasn't very good but he thought that in ten years time people would look back on it with love.

If that's true I fear for the future of Who. Imagine during series 17 we'd be looking back on ITFOTN and thinking "yeah, those were the days".

>>83551430

Nah, his worst was Bells of St. John.

>>83551578
in the \who\verse, are the titles of Heaven Sent and Hell Bent simply switched?

>>83551558
I don't know, I'm against touching again iconic monsters of the week. Look what happened with the Angels.

>>83551602
Bells at least had that scene where they went from tardis to plane in 'one take'
wardrobe doesn't have a single thing going for it

>>83551596

You joke but it's been a decade since RTD and already people are looking fondly back at it now as the GOAT era

>>83551596
Really? As any other episode had that sort of response?

I wonder what episodes Moffat actually thinks are shit. Obviously as showrunner he can't exactly denounce the show he's working on but it'd be interesting to know his opinions on things given how many shit episodes he himself has created

>>83551145
Probably because everyone has predicted it.

>>83551640
That's because everyone knew it was GOAT at the time.

>>83551684
But why is predictability a bad thing if it's a good character moment executed well?

>>83551629
Wardrobe has the nice "because they're going to be sad later" scene, the nice "returning to the Ponds for Christmas" end scene, and a good prequel.
Obviously those make up about 5 minutes out of the episode, and one of them isn't even a part of it. So it's still definitely the worst by far

>>83551145
>>83551684
Does predictability even matter? A good episode can be enjoyed multiple times and obviously it's going to be pretty fucking predictable the second time.

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>>83551596
>during series 17 we'd be looking back on ITFOTN and thinking "yeah, those were the days"

>>83551627
but that's what I think makes them more versatile. Outside of a basic gimmick, they can obtain new appearances and the conditions of whatever timezone/planet they're in can make them a threat in different ways

But I agree there's a heavy risk of them just being ruined

FYI I liked the first Angels two-parter, minus the scene where you actually see them move

>>83551558
Yeah, but the nanogenes found the boy in his gas mask, fixed him up, assuming this is what the human species looks like. You can't really re-use that plot. Like, the nanogenes land on a headless person who's head's just been chopped off and the heal him, and suddenly there's an army of creepy headless people. It was a brilliant plot, but not really re-usable without it being a clear copy.

As for the Vashta Nerada, I've been waiting for their return for years. There's a lot more you can do with invisible "piranhas" that hide in the shadows and can actually manipulate those shadows. So much could be done with those, yet they never returned for another story. Though I think there's an audiobook and a terrible video game featuring them.

>>83551696
>>83551719
You are also totally predictable.

>>83551696
>a good character moment executed well
This is doubtful. Missy turning good hasn't exactly been convincing so far

>>83551761
She hasn't exactly been the focus of an episode yet

>>83551730
the game just reused them in WHO TURNED OUT THE LIGHTS spacesuits I think

But yeah, microscopic shadow monsters is very obvious potential for creepy stories and can happen anywhere, because shadows are such a fundamental thing.

>>83551680

That's pretty obvious:

>All the Stephen Thompson episodes
>The Caretaker (leading to the rift with Gareth)
>The Day of the Doctor (he confessed that he hated writing multiple docs)

>>83551729
I love the Angels, but they need a new trick up their sleeve. The whole moving when you can't see them thing has been used way too many times in stupid little 2-minute cameos like Matt's last story in the snow, or Hell Bent where they were in the basement of Gallifrey for no reason. Or last episode.

The two-parter was GOAT and Blink was greatest of GOAT. But you need a fresh idea to make it work again. They need a nice, good two-parter in a different setting. Maybe that'll wash away the taint they've gotten from their numerous useless cameos.

>>83551696
because it will probably be presented as a shocking moment or twist

twists are shocking because they are unpredictable

>>83551686

Lol. Anon pls

>>83551707

Points off for Bell IMO because it's incoherent (why does Clara join the Doctor at all?), a waste of a perfectly good villain, and was literally a rehash of the Snowmen

>>83551629
>>83551707
I thought the finale of wardrobe where the mother's memories of their father dying were being broadcast, as she was crying not to let the children see was fantastic. just a shame everything leading up to it, and following, was crap

>>83551806
>he confessed that he hated writing multiple docs
source on this? I'd be interested to see what he said

>>83551680
He pretty much called all of Series 7 shit in DWM

>>83551832
Fuck off with your historical revisionism m8. The RTD era was far more popular than the current era.

>>83551806
Nah, Day of the Doctor was one of the 3 episodes he said he was most proud of in DWM.

>>83551889
going to need to see the proofs for this

>>83551889
Didnt he just say that the one episode pr story blockbuster shit didnt work so well?

Why is the doctor even using the "last of the time lords" title anymore when he literally knows where gallifrey is and has been to it?

Riiissssssssssssse my iceeee warriorssssssssss

>>83549613
>Realistic Series 8-11 ratings: shit/10.

>>83551870

"I didn’t know what we were going to do with the 50th. I wrote The Name of the Doctor [the series seven finale], which built up to a punchline of the Doctor walking into his own timeline to rescue Clara. No idea what he’d find there. I just knew that whatever he found there would launch the 50th.

The first version was David [Tennant], Matt [Smith] and Chris [Eccleston] together. But I knew that Chris was almost certainly going to say no. We had to work out what else to do. At that point neither David nor Matt were under contract either. I had Jenna [Coleman]. And I did come up with a plotline that was just Jenna. It was a nightmare. We’re weeks from filming. A production team is assembled, people are doing storyboards and I don’t even know if anyone who has ever played the Doctor is going to be in it.

And meanwhile the entire internet is finding my email and sending me the most hideous death threats. Because I haven’t got William Hartnell back! And I’m thinking, “Well, one: he hasn’t answered the phone. I don’t know why...” But never mind him – I’m not sure if David and Matt are doing it either. I’m crouched in the corner of my office wondering, “What the f*** am I going to do!”'

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-11-23/steven-moffat-finally-reveals-why-john-hurt-replaced-christopher-eccleston-in-the-doctor-who-50th-anniversary-special

>>83551957
I can smell the bank holiday monday already

>>83551953
Moffat forgot Hell Bent

>>83551957
The Empresssss of the Racnosssss reborn

>>83551894

Popular, yes. But better in terms of quality? Idk.

WAIT GUYS IS BILL GAY

>>83551928
I quite liked that format. It meant there are more stories and settings within the season, and if a story is shit you only have to wait til next week for a different one. not sit through a 3-parter

>>83551925
http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/tv/doctor-who/41885/doctor-who-steven-moffat-says-series-7-was-miserable

>>83551981
How did you get "he hated writing multiple docs" from that?

>>83551953
the other Time Lords are hiding at the end of the universe in secret. he doesn't want to expose them

>>83551868
I completely forgot about that, as I did the majority of the episode. But you're absolutely right, that bit was great

So, haven't been on /who/ since Friday, what've I missed? Lie of the Land was pretty shit imo

>>83552024
The problem with that format is that several stories will end up rushed, or lack necessary development and buildup

Powe of Three, Angels in Manhattan and Asylum of the Daleks were all episodes that suffered because off it.

>>83551957
RAAAARRRRGGHH BLEEGGHHHHH GRRRRR

Black lesbian couple defeat evil white faced non-diverse cybermen who can't handle emotions.

Screencap this

>>83551925

>>83551981

Also he pretty much admitted that S7 had a troubled production, because they couldn't get enough money to film the 50th. Hence the split seasons.

S7 Part 2 was a clusterfuck. Chibbers was slotted to write an episode, but had to pull out due to Broadchurch. Neil Cross, who wrote Hide, was called in late to fill in and rushed Ahkaten out. Moffat rewrote Thompson's TARDIS episode. Gaiman's Cybermen was supposed to be a two parter. Gatiss probably saved his sanity by writing two coherent, single story episodes - bonus with one of them being a Doctor lite to save money.

>>83552076
>Lie of the Land was pretty shit imo
you're pretty much caught up then
neonvisual is actively trying to delete the wiki so there's that

NAROLD WITH ME TO THE TADRIS

Is it spelt Nardy or Nardie?

Did we seriously have a 3 parter where none of the episodes built into the next one?

Just wrote in 30 minutes a way to make the Monks better. Will post in the next thread.

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This is how Simm looked whilst filming the finale.

GOAT.

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>>83552200
Yeah. Problem?

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>cast as an Italian
>forced to do English accent
WTF Russel?

>>83552219
Any bet on how many seconds screen time he get?

I will be surprised if he passes three 3 minutes

>>83551806
What happened with Thompson and Roberts?

>>83552210
post it at 3pm tomorrow

>>83552306
I think he will be in most of episode 12 and maybe the end of 11.

>>83552350
It's in all of Episode 11 but in disguise.

>>83552306
the trailer is the entire screentime he gets

The Doctor sees him, he turns around as in the trailer, then Nardole says "oh look he's fallen off that cliff" and the episode continues uninterrupted.

>>83552318

Thompson: every episode he turned in needed significant rewrites, which pissed Moffat off. (This also happened with Sherlock)

Roberts: Are you serious?

>reminder that simm is apparently GOAT in the finale and gives a great performance outshining the rest of the cast

http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Live_threads Thin Ice link isn't working desu

>>83552384
Yes genuinely to Roberts - haven't heard of any riff before (other than him not returning)

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Will Susan be in the Christmas special?

>>83552104
I've always felt that Hide and The Crimson Horror were the only 2 decent eps of 7b (with Cold War also being somewhat okay but dull) - it's nice to see I'm objectively correct. These are the only ones that aren't completely shit.

>>83552417
>tfw never watched hide
>tfw never watched cold war
feels good

>>83552412
no

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Timelords fucking is not canon reeeee

>>83552412
she's in the finale, her corpse gets turned into a mondasian cyberman and teams up with cyberbrig

>>83552306
>>83552378
Moffats comment on the criticism of Simms lack of screen time
>I know some people wanted more, but you need to understand he (Simm) was there only to show the regeneration, we have a new Master now, if you dont like it get your head out of the past

>>83552471
what is going on with that nipple

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>>83552475
>cyberbrig
Oh God why did you make me remember

>>83552431
You should give them a go. I showed Hide to my normie friend and got him into Who
It's not 10/10 GOAT but I really like it

Series 7 is a fine example of 'seems better in hindsight' desu. Clara was more of a walking plot device than a character? Well look what happened when they tried to give her a personality. Eps forgettable and dull? Well what do you call some of the shit we've had in the Capaldo era?

s7 is overly villified when it's just mediocre - every other post-s5 attempt has been much more damaging to the show's overall credibility. the s6 is still laughable bullshit to this day and turned normies away in droves, and every capaldo series has been shite with only occasional gems.

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WTF, I thought this was just a meme. He actually said that?

>>83552565
What an autistic thing to say

>>83552565
>eREEEEEEEEEEEsed

>>83551064
Valeyard WHEN

>>83550394
I think VoV should be higher but overall, this.

>>83552565
Why did they fight?

>>83552565
YOU ARE E-RASED FROM DOC-TOR WHO

ERASE

ERASE

ERASEEEEEE

>>83552565
I remember reading a longass post about how Moffat has struggled with his production team for years now?

Anyone got it?

>>83552565
BASED MOFFAT.

What was the monks' goal?
Why did he fake a regeneration if Bill doesn't know about regeneration?
Does the Doctor now have the ability to emit regeneration energy?
If he's going to go around wasting regeneration energy why didn't he just fix his eyes?
How did the monks fix the Doctor's eyes?
Why did they not just kill the Doctor?
Why did the Doctor's plan required six months of preparation?
How did Bill link minds with the monk?
Why did the monk controlling the thought machine not make an effort to physically restrain anyone?
Why didn't they just shoot that monk like they did the others?
Why did they move the pyramid?
Why were they even using a pyramid?
Why was no one guarding the outside of the pyramid?
Why did they keep their ship on Earth and not in space?
Why was Missy the other "last Time Lord" if Time Lords are back?
How did the simulation ultimately tie into the Monk's plans?
Why could they accurately predict everything up to the virus outbreak but nothing after?
Why was the Veritas even in the simulation?
Why was everyone's reaction to finding out the truth to kill themselves?
Why did they need consent to power the fake news machine?
The memory changing signal didn't work on time lords. Was it focused on humans? What about all the zygon immigrants?
The guy whose cassette player got destroyed by a bullet - why was he getting shot at by a human?
How strong was that plastic cassette player that it could stop a bullet?
Why did the Monks make everyone wear blue overalls?
When they say the human race had become slaves, what were they enslaved to do?
If the Monks erased themselves from everyone's minds, what happens to the family members of the people sent to "labour" camps?
What about all of the video footage that was taken in that time?
What about the massive square of land in the middle of london that was wiped out for the pyramid?
What happened to the people that were killed?
What happened to people whose whole lives were changed in the past 6 months?

>>83552810
I have the answers ight here anon, straight from moffat himself:

fuck

you

I think the fake regeneration is just a set up for the finale/christmas special.
Turns out that the regeneration in the christmas special is fake and Peter is staying for one more season.
R-right?

>>83552972
Yep, Moffat is staying as well. He realised Chibnall can't write and erased him.

Series 10 is literally Season 14 tier.

>>83552972
>>83553023
not in the way you expect. moffat is actually the 13th Doctor. His new catchphrase will be "you are erased!"

>>83552810

Cut me some slack anon, they only had a meagre 2 years to write the script and it's hard to explain everything in a measly 2 hours 15 minutes of screen time.

>>83553039
series 9 is literally series 5, episode 7 + series 8, episode 3 x series 2, episode 4 + 5 tier

i see someone posted my big toe yesterday. does /who/ want an updated pic?

We know Gomez is leaving as Missy. What are the chances of us getting Simm back as the Master for now? I just really hope it's not a cameo of him regenerating into Missy.
Is there a chance Missy could regenerate into Simm? How would that work with the timeline? We know Time Lords can "revisit" faces they've had before.

>>83552810
lol what a nerd who cares about all that shit


just turn your brain off lol

>>83552972
>>83553044
>Peter and Moffat staying for one more season
>not in the way you expect
Moffat as 13 and Capaldi as showrunner? Series 11 will be undoubtedly GOAT

>>83553082
YES

Next episode looks unironically interesting.
Except for shit Empress RISE MY WARRIORS

How can anyone still be excited for Simm at this point?

Good actors can't save the show from Moffat's appalling scripts/ script editing, paper thin characterisation, the generally bland amateurish direction etc. Capaldo and Gomez prove this. Simm will be wasted.

>>83553082
Throw yourself into a volcano

THEY HAD TWO YEARS TO MAKE THIS SERIES NOT SUCK.

TWO.

YEARS.

3 episodes serial and problem was solved with power of love?

>>83553442
Moffat had three years to make sherlock series 4 too.

I finally watched last night's episode and... I-I-I didn't hate Lie of the Land, my only gripes were the shit resolution and the fact that it felt waaaaay too short. I've also been really enjoying this season so far.

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You're a big guy.

Why did they use the Cybermen theme for the Next Time trailer?

RIIIIIISE MY ICE WARRIORS! RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSEEEEE!

>>83553618
Ice Cyberwarriors

>will know who 13 is in less than 4 weeks

>>83553678
doubt it

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>>83553114
>>83553385

>>83553816
Fucking disgusting

>>83553791
July is when it will be announced probably, considering the series films just 4 months after that

>>83553900

>>83553900

>>83553900

>>83553900

>>83553900


NEW THREAD

>>83552499
Did he really say this

>>83553834
post your own beautiful, pedicured toe

>>83553816
Are you a fat fuck?

>>83552405
because some plonker decided to link the actual thread instead of the archive.

I'll fix it now for you

>>83553984
nope. i think i'm even a bit underweight? i havent weighed myself in a while though so no idea. i'm very skinny though

>>83554090
How tall are you?

>>83552512
Why did he write "NO MORE" on a wall with the gun?

>>83554119
again no idea. tall though.

>>83552810
I think they originally had this as a two parter, with the simulation being unrelated but couldn't find a way to end it so just tacked it onto the beginning.

>>83552810
WE-WILL-EXPLAIN-LATER

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