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Prepare for Ding Daleks.

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>‘Who doesn’t love the Drashigs?’ says executive producer Nicholas Briggs. ‘The huge omnivores from Carnival of Monsters are back in force - and this time they’re in bigger numbers and deadlier than ever!’
I feel like this sums up Briggs Finish quite well.

Imagine saying "Who doesn't love the Drashigs?" in complete sincerity.

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THIS IS A MISSYCHAD THREAD
SIMMKEKS NOT ALLOWED

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>>82374114

>>82373912
>>82373932
>>82373939
Zagreus is pretty damn confusing, but also kind of neat. Paul's performance is on point, delivering a Doctor that's both charming and intimidating, especially when the anti-time/Zagreus entity comes into the picture.

I would recommend going through (most of) the Eighth Doctor line though. Lots of great stories, plus it'll give you more context on the relationship between Charley and the Doctor.

>>82374139

Thats pretty neat

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>>82374149
SAY SOMETHING NICE

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>>82374114
You numasterfags and your silly fights.

I am the Master, and you will… come to like me once you get to know me.

>>82374187
>posting homoshit

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>>82374199
>unironically being straight

>>82374199
Um…this is /who/, we're all homos here. Did you get lost on the way to a Top Gear general?

>>82374213
>not being bi master race
boys are for fun, girls are for procreation. prove me wrong

>>82374230
Girls can be fun too. Otherwise, god wouldn't have given us birth control, would he?

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does /who/ support of a twink companion?

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>>82374100
also the 4th Doctor's getting a new companion
>https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/a-new-companion-for-the-fourth-doctor

please respond

>>82374248
god didn't give us birth control, humans with free will did

>>82374264
Ice Fairy is so fucking gay

THAT'S IT - I'm deleting the Wikia!

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>>82374100
I'm actually kind of hype for the new Fourth Doctor companion. I just hope she won't be shit

>>82374295
If god didn't give us birth control, why do Catholics and Fundamentalists hate?

>>82374349
you've got it backwards
if god was the one who gave us birth control, the catholics and fundies WOULDN'T hate

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>>82374347
You'll only have to wait until 2019 to find out!

She does look cool though, and a police officer wandering into a police box is a bit clever for a companion introduction. Although I'm not sure how I feel about a cop being a companion

So has anyone listened to the Ninth Doctor Adventures yet? How bad is it?

>>82374347
>>82374287
Not even meaning to sound like an SJW, but it feels a little weird that Big Finish hasn't found a non-white lady to play an audio companion. Erimem was played by a white actress. Roz was already introduced in the books. I know race doesn't fucking matter in audio format, but it seems strange.

>>82374425
That's Big Finish!

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>>82374318
yes but do you support of him as a companion?

>>82374380
Things Catholics and Fundies hate: reason, pleasure, questioning authority… all things we're born with.

Things Catholics and Fundies don't hate: massive cathedrals, abstinence for religious reasons… all things we invented.

So surely, if we invented it, they'd love it. Unless you're suggesting they're inconsistent?

>>82374441
Tsundere as a F U C K

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>>82374402
>a police officer wandering into a police box is a bit clever for a companion introduction. Although I'm not sure how I feel about a cop being a companion
Bernard Cribbins would like a word with you.

>>82374447
>abstinence for religious reasons
they would argue that god invented that
and "reason" is debatable since they also consider their beliefs to be internally consistent. Reason is almost entirely subjective

>Unless you're suggesting they're inconsistent?
Like that even needed mentioning

>>82374477
What's he want to talk about?

>>82374264
I want a twink, but not a femme twink, and there's an anon here who doesn't believe anyone but femme twinks count as twinks, so I'm not sure how to answer.

>>82374494
Being a police officer who wandered into a police box that turned out to be a TARDIS and then helped Dr Who, Susan, and Louise free Earth from the Daleks in 2150, probably.

But really, he's Bernard Cribbins. Why wouldn't you just say yes without question if he wants to talk to you?

>>82374514
"femme twink" seems like a confused description on multiple levels. for starters, "femme" is a lesbian-exclusive term

>>82374514
>so I'm not sure how to answer.
you could start by posting an example of a non-femme twink

The way I see it, we won't get a twink compaion until we get a female doctor. And if we get a female doctor, they will want the companion to look weaker and more vulnerable than her. The only way they can realistically do that is by getting a femme twink who looks even more feminine and vulnerable than the actual female

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>>82374549
>if we get a female doctor, they will want the companion to look weaker and more vulnerable than her. The only way they can realistically do that is by getting a femme twink who looks even more feminine and vulnerable than the actual female

>anon ACTUALLY believes this

>>82374547
>"femme" is a lesbian-exclusive term
No it isn't.

A femme is a feminine gay man, usually feminine- or androgynous-looking as well as feminine-acting.

A twink is a young and pretty gay man, usually slender and hairless.

So there's obviously a lot of overlap between the two, but they're not the same thing, as proven by, for example, the multi-decade existence of a magazine called Muscle Twink.

>>82374591
Where did I fumble in my logic?
Are you suggesting that they don't currently (and always) cast companions to be weaker and more vulnerable than the doctor? Rory and even mickey were both weak and vulnerable. The only immediate exception I can think of is jack, but they'd never cast him alongside a female doctor because he'd be too dominant

>>82374609
>No it isn't
stopped reading there. it is. that's the term's original and true definition, other groups have just hijacked it

>>82374636
>other groups have just hijacked it
so? Definitions of words change. That's like complaining about "faggot" no longer referring to a bundle of sticks

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>>82374425
Big Finish had a black actress for a main character in Bernice Summerfield for a while, but I think the character is retired now.

>>82374636
Seriously, the fact that dykes have been using it since the 50s but fags have only been using it since the 60s actually matters to you today, in 2017?

JZS CHRIST THEY THEY ARE ANNOUNCING HIM TODAY

>>82374661
I miss when Benny had her own series.

>>82374629
You just have this weird inability to separate characteristics from physical appearance. Of course the Doctor is always written as more resourceful, knowledgeable, and confident than their companions, but why on earth would that mean that a female Doctor would have to have a twink companion?

It's especially bizarre when you take classic series into consideration. The Doctor isn't always physically stronger than the companions.

>>82374629
>Are you suggesting that they don't currently (and always) cast companions to be weaker and more vulnerable than the doctor?
Not that anon, but…
>Ian and 1
>Steven and 1
>Ben and 1
>Ben and 2
>Jamie and 2
>Harry and 4
>Arguably even Turlough and 5
Most of the male companions have been stronger and butcher than their Doctors. Adric is the only exception in classic Who.

And it's not like 11 was a macho man next to Rory, the one who decked Hitler and blew up Cyberships while he just ran around talking.

And over course River was stronger and more macho than 11.

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>>82374670
>talk about about something related to gay people for a couple of posts and you both bust out the slurs
gee, why don't I trust these posters as reliable authorities on this subject? they seem very clued in

>>82374676
>him

>>82374724
We probably both assumed that you were a fag like us or you wouldn't be having this conversation. But thank you for getting offended at our language on our behalf. You're a real friend to our people.

>>82374722
It's not just the male characters, I'd argue that Leela is at least as physically threatening as the Doctor, even if she might not be as large.

>>82374743
np, have fun pretending men can be "femme"

Anyone up for Hide rewatch then? Today, in 3-4 hours when I'm home.

>>82374832
im in

>>82374724
>gay people on 4chan
>getting offended by the word "faggot"
you didn't think that through did you

>>82374782
Agreed. And Zoe and Ace, too.

The only reason I just listed the male companions is that anon was saying they wouldn't have a male companion who's weaker than the Doctor, and basically all male companions have been weaker than the Doctor except Adric and maybe Jack (vs. 9, if not vs. 10).

I do think anon is right that it's at least a little more likely they'd cast a twink companion with a female Doctor than with a male Doctor, but his reasoning makes no sense.

>>82374855
You Cletus.

>>82374792
Thank you for the permission to continue to use the slang that's actually used at gay bars and in gay porn, and has been since before I was born.

>>82374885
your thanks is not needed but it is appreciated

>>82374841
It's a bad idea since it's such a common suffix from drawfag to avatarfag to characterfag.

When does "Smile" take place? Is it the same events as arc in space and beast below?

>>82374494
He's got a story about Jackanory

>>82374425
>Erimem was played by a white actress
>he thinks Egyptians were black

The university basement prisoner knocked 13 times in Thin Ice. Hmm.

Also new Doctor is being revealed in 2 weeks I've been told today. After episode 6 in which the Doctor's long regeneration supposedly starts

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>>82375427
>he thinks Egyptian were WHITE

>>82375473
Wrong.

>>82375486
History's a whitewash.

>>82375489
hello secret show insider, please reveal your secrets. is missy really clara? is 13 a woman? are the voord returning?

So next month's Doctor Who Magazine will preview every remaining episode except "The Doctor Falls", I think that's more likely because that episode is the sole one being transmitted on the first day of the following month.

Considering that the audio format means they don't need to build sets or shoot on location for shit, you'd think there would be more "Doctor goes to Asia/Africa/Antarctica" stories. Like a Thousand Tiny Wings.

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>>82375473
>The university basement prisoner knocked 13 times in Thin Ice
Is this true?

Also, I'd be so annoyed if I started my era on the show and found out the Showrunner before me did some arc where my Doctor was locked in the basement.

They've brought back the Mondasian cybermen.
That makes me happy.
They're probably going to change their voices though.
That makes me sad.

>>82375583
There's still the hurdle of accents and actually knowing about the country's culture.

I listened to an audio that was set entirely in France today but I constantly forgot this because everybody was just using English accents (I know this is a common DW thing, but it's still lazy and counterproductive to storytelling). But then on the other hand, when someone in BF does attempt to do a non-British accent it can jarringly bad.

>>82375544
I was told that the Thirteenth Doctor was not announced earlier than before the start of the Christmas release. It is rumored that this will be a Christel Dee. At Christmas, the Twelfth along with the First will save Clara far arse from the time lords. By chance, they will save Gallifrey as well.
The details are coming soon, at 3 pm.

>>82375578
Yeah the issue after that is released before episode 12.

>>82374043

>DR. WEWUZKANGS
>DR. WEWUZKANGS
>DR. WEWUZKANGS
>DR. WEWUZKANGS

>>82375473
there were 16 knocks

>>82375596
>is this true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAvGGoriaU0

13 knocks

>>82375259
that's the implication even though it's not explicitly stated

>>82375633
But would it be that hard to find half a dozen Asians at a local theatre to play a Chinese cast, and say that the TARDIS translation circuits make them sound like they're speaking British English?

>>82375660

16 knocks

Nardole: "Never asked to be reassembled did I?"

*KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK*

Nardole: "Knocking. What was that about? No one is going to open the door just because you're knocking"

*KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK*

Nardole: "Oh, getting cocky now are you? Why? What do you think you know? What has he told you?

*KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK*

Nardole: "Because, yeah, he may have a little friend now, and yeah, he may be a little bit distracted but I tell you something, I'm still here, and as long as long as I'm still here, you are going nowhere."

*KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK*

Nardole whimpers and runs away

*KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK*

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>>82375724
that video cuts off early. There are 16 knocks

>>82375724
>3+3+3+3+4 = 16
genius

>>82375777
well anon said there were 13 knocks..... there are 16

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>>82375749
>>82375724
>>82375654
>>82375777
>yfw the 16th Doctor is in the basement
>yfw Moffat becomes the Showrunner again after the 15th regenerates
D E E P E S T L O R E

>>82375793
There's actually 500 knocks. Each knock you think you hear is actually a series of dozens of mini knocks.

There are 13 knocks.

Any progress on the Foreman audio? I want to listen to your autists read an even more autistic script.

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>>82375826
>There's actually 500 knocks. Each knock you think you hear is actually a series of dozens of mini knocks.

Just checked on iPlayer, definitely 13 knocks.

>>82375847
no

>>82375856
I believe all we've got left is nirvi and alex which edgey should get around to eventually
then it's just up to director anon to edit it all together (if he's smart he's probably already got a project done, just with empty gaps for the missing parts)

Are there any classic who OSTs that have all the synth music? Or do we have to make our own?

>>82374636
Butthurt tumblr radfem lesbian detected
t. ex-tumblrfag

>>82374043
>Who hype for Missy/ SimmMaster return?

Master Simm-Saxon's terrific. Missy's shite.

>select all images that show:snowboard
>pictures of two-legged skiing

Away to fuck.

haven't watched since river song died or whatever in that one uh, christmas special, i think it was?

is it worth getting back into it?

>>82375878
are you all deaf? There are 16!

See: >>82375724

>>82375927
you're only 4 episodes behind, anon

>>82375724
This is wrong, there aren't 3 knocks after Nardole says:
"...I'm still here, you are going nowhere."
There's 4, and after the 4th knock, it cuts to 'Next Time'. You've added 3 extra knocks. There are 13.

13 in the video

>>82375927
I strongly suggest checking out "The Pilot". Everything else is pretty weak, but enjoyable nonetheless if you like Bill and Capaldi Doctor.

>>82375907
Rip the music from this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciXACtP92zg&list=PLOxHJtRML2T37GWM1WxqdBBHYZU_Eiiva

>>82375942
only four? it's been about two years I think

>>82375957
>Everything else is pretty weak
But Smile and Thin Ice are both better than The Pilot, anon.

>Bill is gay
>It's no big deal!
>Press release about the fact she's gay
>It's no big deal!
>Her first episode she mentions she's gay in nearly every scene
>It's no big deal!
>The Pilot's plot is a lesbian/puddle love story
>It's
>No
>Big
>Deal
>!

>>82375982
the BBC constantly cuck us with hiatuses, the next episode after the river christmas special was next year's christmas special

>>82375990
I strongly disagree, anon.

>>82376004
>Press release about the fact she's gay
Done by the news.
>Her first episode she mentions she's gay in nearly every scene
False
>The Pilot's plot is a lesbian/puddle love story
A companion having a love interest in their introduction episode isn't special. Rose's was basically about her leaving her boyfriend.

>>82376004
Would the episode have been written any different if the puddle monster was Heath instead of heather?

>>82375943
No i haven't.
"...I'm still here, you are going nowhere."
3 knocks
a slight pause
then 4 knocks
then the next time trailer. Go and watch it on iPlayer m8. You're wrong!

>>82375943
>>82376065

Nardole: "Never asked to be reassembled did I?"
>KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK
Nardole: "Knocking. What was that about? No one is going to open the door just because you're knocking"
>KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK
Nardole: "Oh, getting cocky now are you? Why? What do you think you know? What has he told you?
>KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK
Nardole: "Because, yeah, he may have a little friend now, and yeah, he may be a little bit distracted but I tell you something, I'm still here, and as long as long as I'm still here, you are going nowhere."
>KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK
- Nardole whimpers and runs away
>KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK*
- Cut to Next Time trailer

>>82376065
Nice meme, just been on iPlayer and watched it twice...There's 13 knocks. Did Wilf knock 7 times?

>>82375717
Big Finish generally don't like branching out like that, with trying new people or things. I agree that they should.

>>82376120
I know you're joking but Wilf actually knocks at least 8 times.

>>82376120
m8, I've just rewatched the scene 3 times on iPlayer to make sure I got it right. Stop baiting or open you ears

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>>82376063
Doubtful, I don't see what the fuss is about. Lesbian companion gave us wetfu

>>82375907
>>82375965
An anon already did some synth work for it that sounds very Classic Who.

>>82375717
>>82376143
Why explore a setting that's never been done in the show before when you can write Planet of the Drashigs?

>>82376107
Is this the best thing you have to do today? Really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgRCvbBhFS0

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>>82376162

>>82376149
Watched it again just for you. 13 knocks.

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Thirteenth_Doctor

>>82376189
ooh, about 5 minutes of my day gone... what ever will I do?

>>82376107
>>82375724
I can't believe you idiots made me go back and listen to the scene to write this out correctly, but here's the REAL number and order of knocks:

Nardole: "Never asked to be reassembled did I?"
>KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK
Nardole: "Knocking. What was that about? No one is going to open the door just because you're knocking"
>KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK
Nardole: "Oh, getting cocky now are you? Why? What do you think you know? What has he told you?
>KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK
Nardole: "Because, yeah, he may have a little friend now, and yeah, he may be a little bit distracted but I tell you something, I'm still here, and as long as long as I'm still here, you are going nowhere."
>KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK
- Nardole whimpers and runs away
>KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK
- Cut to Next Time trailer
>KNOCK

>>82376247
16.

Either youre deaf or baiting....

>>82376168
that was me
it was only a 20 second thing
I can shit out some more, but if I was going to it'd be more useful to know the general tone and duration needed for certain scenes

>>82376266
This is wrong. You missed an extra knock after "Nardole whimpers and runs away".

Can you not count?

>>82376282
13

>>82376168
time for you to respond to >>82374100 & >>82374287

>>82376292
It was good work anon, in the stream the other day we were talking about how on-tone it felt.

The Foremandirectoranon should be able to give you the scene breakdown which would probably be exactly what you need.

No need to go wild trying to make it sound perfect or anything either, this is all just a bit of fun.

>>82376185
>Hey, Nick. I know these Asian actors who've been hoping for something bigger than a local play, and I think we could do a Doctor Who story set in China or Japan or so--
>Fuck that, I need my Drashigs!

>>82376316
16.

4 sets of 3 knocks
1 set of 4 knocks.

>>82376331
>Big Finish
>We Love Drashigs

>>82376339
There's only 3 sets of 3 knocks, so 13

>>82376185
Big Finish is for the classic Who nerds who needed their fix of padded posh crap.

>>82376330
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>>82376363
You're not wrong. I've spent a few hundred dollars on BF audios

yfw Shearman's latest BF script, years in the making, is a fucking drashig story?

>>82376383
Ouch.

>>82374264
But we only just lost Pete.

Do you think they'll bring him back later in the season like Rory?

>>82376330
If foreman director anon is here, he can email me about it
I'm the anon who did the recent voices of grace butterworth, bookish man and the black/white guardians
If he's not here, at some point I'll probably make a couple other short things for different tones - action, spooky, dramatic etc

>>82376384
Aren't you hyped for all that Drashig lore?

The oldest question in Doctor Who - when do the Drashigs come back?

It's a pity that Gerald Flood's death means we'll never get a 9-CD boxset of Kamelion's adventures in the TARDIS corridiors.

>>82376445
Don't bother, your life is futile.

The worst part about the whole drashig thing is that when I saw the title "Planet of the Drashigs" my instinctive response was positive, I thought it sounded good.

It's like Doctor Who fans have been trained to think that references = quality. I remember Larry talking about something similar. About how even he used to feel like there was something inherently worthwhile in bringing back a monster

>>82376500
I remember when he brought back the Sontarans and the Peking Homunculus in those BBV Faction audios, and made a special point to mention that Lolita used to be the Master's TARDIS.

Drashigs on audio. Totally pointless.

>>82376500
I think it's because it satisfies fans' repetition compulsion, which is why they can derive years of pleasure from a show which is 99% routine padding.

>>82375990
Agreed, both Smile and Thin Ice are compelling stories, not a loony toon runaround

>Class is doing worse in America than the UK

Over.

>>82376567
>naming a TARDIS "Lolita"
I like Larry's stories, and value his opinions on Doctor Who, but somebody should beat that nerd up

>>82376063
He'd get a posthumous bafta to go with his Oscar

>>82376632
Thanks God.

>>82376632
Maybe if they stopped airing that annoying "YOU ARE TALK-ING TO A BOY?" trailer and made a new trailer that would actually convince people to watch it.

>>82376664
Doesn't negate the fact that it was a poorly written, terribly 'acted', shitshow that should never have been made in the first place.

>>82376500
I think it feels validating for a lot of people, like "I recognise that! That validates me watching the earlier episode / listening to the earlier audio / whatever". Of course there's absolutely nothing inherently positive about bringing back a monster. I wouldn't even call it usually a cashgrab, just a lack of originality.

Sometimes bringing things back can be done very well when there's a new spin or angle done with them, or a they'd work well with a new character who hasn't interacted them, but like, Seasons of Fear gains nothing from having the Nimon as opposed to another similar monster, Hungry Earth didn't say anything earlier Silurian episodes hadn't earlier, but the existence of multiple good Dalek stories shows there are good stories that can be told with returning things. Fuck, even Boom Town did something interesting with the Slitheen returning, which is more than I can say for most cases of BF bringing monsters back.

>>82376148
>>82376120
Wild actually does knock 16 times. He knocks 4 times 4 times, which is one full measure of both the Master's theme and the show's theme.

Was Quill just Kira from Deep Space Nine but as a schoolteacher?

>>82376568
There will be an article on the site about how they readied the Drashig roar tapes for use in 21st-century audio drama.

But this kind of thing is the only reason you'd want old actors to return to the role anyway. Its pointlessness is the pointlessness of Big Finish as a whole. What was Peter Davison going to add to his characterisation at this point? What was Colin Baker proving that he can be less obnoxious if he's written totally out-of-character and has had twenty extra years to think about his portrayal going to add to anything? Big Finish's business plan when they went to the bank must have been the sentence "Doctor Who fans are all autistic."

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they include dialogue mentioning that Six isn't wearing his TV costume? Even though this is audio and it does't matter? This was because the people listening would have looked at the ground and started to breathe heavily through their noses if they had had to picture that bad coat that the bad man made the Doctor wear. Damaged people. Squandered lives.

>>82376702
>Seasons of Fear gains nothing from having the Nimon as opposed to another similar monster
The only purpose that seemed to serve was as a bit of a "ha, gotcha!". The audio tricked us by being serious and relatively well-written but having monsters from a notoriously bad serial that have always been viewed as a joke.

Of course, they cheated by having that weird scene with the daleks early on.

>>82374043
Doctor who's gone to fucking shit.

>>82376702
There are three good Dalek stories, two of which barely use the Daleks, and all of which had been made by 1989.

>>82376810
Which is an error, because The Horns of Nimon is terrific. The fans who disliked it were the ones that were being pandered to by the introduction of Adric.

>>82376815
I'm sure many would debate you on that point, but the fact that more than one good Dalek story exists shows that bringing back a monster isn't always a bad choice. But most of the time, it's a lazy choice, certainly.

>>82376789
>Squandered lives.
How is your day, anon?

>>82376813
This has continued since in a great series about a policeman and his booths was added teachers and some grandfart with his screamin granddaughter. Get used to it.

>>82376853
Many would debate me, but they'll all be listening to Planet of the fucking Drashigs, so their opinion is null and void.

>>82376789
>getting that pissy over people listening to bad earstories
Sounds pretty autistic, anon.

>>82376863
Brilliant, I'm having a good old kek at the fact that Big Finish is a thing.

>>82376897
Out of interest, what are the three Dalek stories you find good?

>>82376789
I've listened to a bit of big finish, and the biggest problem I have with it is their godawful habit of forcing exposition of things that would be plain to see into dialogue. Have radio plays always had this problem and I just never noticed it with the Shadow or X-1?

>>82376789
I think he gets a blue coat at some point but most of the audios I've listened to so far make jokes about his multi-coloured coat, it was even a plotpoint in one audio. So he's definitely wearing it

Not to mention the cover art

>>82376923
Pretty much, it's very noticeable when you look for it, but there's definitely neater ways to do it and clumsier ways to do it.

>>82376897
Go back to Connecticut, Sandifer.

>>82376923
>>82376944
They also go too far the other way sometimes and don't explain/properly imply a situation at all. I heard a cliffhanger today that was literally just a sudden explosion and a yell, had no idea what was supposed to have happened.

>>82376922
The Daleks, Genesis and Remembrance. Revelation loses by being too obviously an expression of Saward's hatred of his job, clever though it is, and because that kind of writing needs Orcini and Bostock to be a cynically-portrayed gay couple, which can't happen within the genre the show occupies.

>>82376965
My style doesn't remotely resemble Sandifer's. Sandifer would have made out that The Pilot was better than Genesis because it was made more recently, then write 10, 000 words of bollocks about an unrelated subject and his own bitterness.

>>82376981
There's certainly issues with the format. It's not like television is a 'perfect' format either though, plenty of issues with the medium there too.

>>82376965
Even if some of his complaints are valid, Sandifer comes off as really shallow and would probably heap Big Finish tons of praise if Briggs, Fitton, and Dorney were all trans women of color but produced the same exact stories.

>>82377019
Oh, and he'd pretend to have been pesonally hurt by William Hartnell's alleged and probably mythical racism. For attention.

>>82377035
Sandifer did a doctorate in Media Studies before noticing how little employment it would lead to. He also pouted when challenged on his portrayal of the Yorkshire Ripper murders as a media fad. He's dreadful. Persistance is not a virtue in and of itself. Writing a lot is not a virtue in and of itself.

And David Whittaker was not a fucking alchemist, because nobody is outside of comic books. He just liked the trope.

>>82377035
Has he made any comments on the latest Torchwood audio, "The Dollhouse"? It was written by a transgender woman, I think that's the first time that's happened at Big Finish. I haven't heard it yet but it seems to have been well-received.

>>82377108
The alchemy thing is an enormous turn-off from his writing for me, I love reading good media criticism but I hate it when media critics obsess about framing their criticism in some sort of worldview that not only has no relation to the texts they're engaging with, but doesn't even have any relation to the world they or their readers are living in. It's so self-indulgent.

>>82377060
You obviously don't read enough Sandifer. He only criticises the really obvious racism like Talons of Wang Chiang. Otherwise, if it's something Moffat wrote or something Tumblr is upset about, he's more likely to come up with some reason as to why everybody else is wrong and the line is actually really clever and progressive.

>>82377108
I'm doing a media studies topic next semester and I still can't imagine doing it as a doctorate. I thought he was an English major though?

>>82377108
Sandifer likes to talk big about the evils of capitalism, but keeps insisting that people give him more Patreon money than he deserves for writing halfhearted, meandering blogs that he used to do for free.

>The run starts with The Sinestran Kill by Andrew Smith, in which aliens have become involved in the London crime scene in 1978. Frank Skinner (Mummy on the Orient Express) plays DCI Scott Neilson while Glynis Barber (Blake’s 7) is Kathy Blake.

That's the Big Finish website contextualising Frank Skinner, a comedian who has been famous for over twenty years, with reference to the one episode of Doctor Who he was in. Nobody with any self-respect should give these people money, I hope you're all pirating.

>>82377161
>"The Dollhouse" was written by a transgender woman
Oh shit, I might actually buy the Torchwood audios now. Previously I had absolutely no interest in them.

>>82377187
Did she write them with her cock?

>>82377179
I had no idea who Frank Skinner was when he showed up on Mummy. Nobody I knew recognized him when that episode aired.

>>82377187
They're one of the best current BF ranges IMO. The writing is good, the approach feels fresh, it's more about telling good stories than fanwanking over continuity, all the returning cast sound very excited about being back...it's a delightful range really.

>>82376789
>Big Finish's business plan when they went to the bank must have been the sentence "Doctor Who fans are all autistic."
well they're not wrong, are they?

>>82377179
Let's face it Who is the only remotely notable thing he's done in yonks

>>82377179
I thought Skinner's abysmal acting in Mummy lets the episode down and I can't name a single other project he's been involved in.

I've also bought every BF audio I've listened to and there's nothing you can do to stop me

>>82377163
I read the whole fucking thing up until Forest of the Dead/Silence in the Library, though I skimmed massively at some points.

No, his doctorate was in Media Studies. He basically makes out on several occasions that the evil of capitalist society is measurable by the fact that he can't get a job.

>>82377206
I highly doubt it.

>>82377225
Sounds good. I'm still very much in the early era of BF. The most "current" audio I've ever heard was Hurt's first boxset (you don't need to tell me they're terrible, I already know your opinion), but I might take a break from the main range soon and explore some newer ranges.

>>82377283
The entire Eruditorum is just millions of words about how Sandifer blames society for why his life sucks instead of the fact that he's a bit of a cunt.

>>82377286
>you don't need to tell me they're terrible, I already know your opinion

Do I push my opinions on those sets too much? I'll back off, I didn't realise I did that.

Hope you're enjoying early BF, loads of great stories there.

River Song's audios are another great new range if you want to explore that. I am no great fan of her on TV or anything, but her two audio boxsets are just really bloody great stories.

>>82377163
>media studies

You must be stupid.

>>82377161
I think the issue - and Sandifer isn't a critic, he's a fan blogger - is that people start these projects to watch everything in a series, and then get bored. The way they usually deal with this boredom is by writing about whatever really interests them and putting paragraphs about the ostensible subject at the beginning and end. The only whole-canon blog I've seen that doesn't fall into this trap or else peter out is Pushing Ahead of the Dame, the David Bowie discography blog. Bowie allowing Chris O'Leary to write about lots of other subjects while writing about him is probably a great help there, but I also think O'Leary being more talented helps.

Sandifer is a shut-in troll who thinks he's a genius.

>>82377171
Yes, it's silly innit?

The Rani is in the vault

>>82377400
>Capitalism is horrible and anyone who lives by their rules should be shot dead. Moving on from that topic, please give me $1200 a month or else I won't write shitty Doctor Who blogs

>>82374043
Is there anything good in the TARDIS Eruditorum? Can anyone suggest anything to read?

>>82377379
>Sandifer isn't a critic, he's a fan blogger

That's fair, but he's producing some form of media criticism regardless of what he considers it to be.

>people start these projects to watch everything in a series, and then get bored. The way they usually deal with this boredom is by writing about whatever really interests them and putting paragraphs about the ostensible subject at the beginning and end

I think that's a remarkably astute observation. I hadn't really thought about it from that perspective, but I think you're right on the money.

The obvious solution seems to be to just abandon the blog/project when bored, and go back to it when feeling revitalised enough, but of course that's hugely infeasible if one is trying to build an audience, earn money through it, get it done in a reasonable timeframe, etc.

what the fuck is a skype game and how does it work? Is it like a text adventure game but for modern kids who require it to be connected to the internet?

>>82377237
No, not to anyone but Who fans.

>>82377223
If you're from outside the UK, fine. If not, you're an example of the kind of person they're doing it for. We could say it's for international fans, but let's be honest, if Big Finish got Paul McCartney to cameo, they'd put "Paul McCartney (The Chase)" in the press release.

>>82377247
You're just confirming what I said, you don't need to do that.

>>82377521
Are you sure that Frank Skinner is that famous? Because I watched a stand up of his, and he seemed kind of boring.

>>82377346
Exactly, see also Marcello Carlin's Then Play Long, a blog which starts by being an Aspie's attempt to understand British society by listening to every UK number 1 album in chart history, and ends with him quitting in disgust, bringing all the ills of society back to his own self-pity at his unemployability as a writer - which nobody who read it regularly felt surprised by.

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>>82377495
Pretty much. It's just you having a Skype conversation with the Doctor and having to answer questions and tell him what to do. Quite fun but not exactly earth-shattering.

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>tfw you're in a skype group with the doctor but not in the secret trip aol

>>82377171
>u dont like capitalism?
>LOL THEN Y U WANT MONEY
That old chestnut

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>>82377668
At least you're not in the secret anon discord

>>82377484
No, he's writing a fan blog regadless of what pretentions he might have. Fans mistaking themselves for professionals is the biggest blight of what "fandom" has become, in my opinion.

Thanks! To me, the solution is not to write about complete canons. If you're writing mainly for pleasure, with a little Patreon coin flowing in but not enough to earn a living at it, there's no sense in creating a rod for your own back. Write on what you love only. Doing alienated labour for free is for suckers.

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>>82377171
>>82377694
>>82377708

>>82377694
It's not that he wants money. It's that he wants money for doing something thousands of other people do for free.

>>82377565
He's massive in Britain.

>>82377351
>Do I push my opinions on those sets too much? I'll back off, I didn't realise I did that.
No, that came off way more blunt than I realised. I only said it because you had no way of knowing I'm an anon who's talked about those boxsets with you before, so I was sparing you the trouble.

>>82377694
Not really, it's more "things should be free, but not the stuff I happen to want to make for a living". "Haha, really?"

>>82377353
>what are electives

>>82377668
>oh no I'm sorry
Beta as fuck. What happens if you go Malcom Tucker on the Doctor?

>>82377544
>anybody who doesn't know about a celebrity I like has no self-respect!
what did anon mean by this

>>82377767
No worries!

>>82377722
I would definitely come to the compromise and say he isn't writing professional media criticism, I suppose it just comes down to how seriously you take the term "media criticism". And I very much agree that fans mistaking themselves for professionals is a very tiresome part of modern discourse around media.

>>82377793
Media studies electives can be fun, though I definitely agree that trying to make it your career without a very good reason why isn't the wisest move. What's your particular elective on them about?

>>82377823
Fuck, are you Sandifer? Only you seem to think that you understand Britain better than a British person because you watched a lot of Doctor Who. Frank Skinner is an arena-filling UK stand-up.

I want to have sex with a beatiful woman. Is that too much to ask?

>>82377728
So?

I don't like Sandifer either but I can't even begin to fathom how many hours he's put into the eruditorum. There's nothing hypocritical about wanting money for his efforts

>>82377860
>Media studies

Have like 5 friends who did media studies. Having a good network and connections with people in the industry is better at getting you a job than doing that shit subject.

>>82377887
Baddiel and Skinner were really popular in the 90s too

>>82377832
I-I know? That was my point

>>82377793
Unless the only other choices were gender studies and self-mutilation: an introduction, why would you elect to do media studies? It sits there on your record, a permanent testimony that your brain is partly an anus.

>>82377887
I've never mentioned anything about Britain, what are you even talking about.

It's not like I even dislike Skinner, I've seen him on a couple of panel shows and he seems alright. I stand by what I said about him in the Mummy though, I don't understand why I never see anybody else comment on how bad his acting was there.

>>82377927
Obviously. That's why I was talking about the subject as an elective, rather than a career focus, and asking that anon whether his media studies elective had any particular focus, out of interest.

>>82377894
I agree that he should earn money for the original TARDIS Eruditorum entries: From sales of those books he self-publishes that collect said entries. I'm not sure how everything after that, like starting drama over the Hugo Awards or having an argument with a guy who writes Harry Potter fanfic, should count as an occupation worth earning income over.

>>82377728
>>82377790
This logic is terrible. People who don't like capitalism still have to financially support themselves somehow. You can't wish yourself into a world where capitalism doesn't exist and more money isn't something useful. And the fact some people work for free does not morally oblige everyone to.

What kind of mental gymnastics do you even need to do to complain about a writer taking entirely voluntary contributions from fans of their work?

>>82377945
>It sits there on your record, a permanent testimony that your brain is partly an anus.
Have you even been to uni before? Electives effectively have zero bearing on the rest of your studies.

And is nobody else seeing the absurdity in asking why somebody would ever even consider doing media studies on a board dedicated to television & film, and in particular in a general where we've all talked about the same show every single day for years?

>>82377975
Then you're answering the wrong person, check back, I'm addressing the person who thinks Skinner is obscure outside of Who.

>>82378050
I'm an anon you've been (you)ing from the get-go, but sure I'm happy to opt-out of this topic anyway

>>82378027
It's the fact that he complains that's the issue.

>>82378047
If you don't know what a transcript is, stop replying.

No, because we all understand the difference between work and play.

>>82378047
You're obviously being trolled friend, I'd drop it. Both your points are clearly correct.

>>82377996
I don't agree. If he wants to earn money from them books, he should remove the site. Unfortunately, he knows that nobody would buy the books. If the books had a chance in the marketplace, he wouldn't have had to self-publish.

>>82378027
There's a difference between "This is my blog. Please pay whatever you like." and "I demand you pay me a certain amount or else I will not write my blog entries."

>>82378072
Then understand that Skinner is so famous in Britain that what you're saying is absurd. What you or I think of his work is not at issue, what is at issue is the idea that he would need to be identified by the one time he was in Doctor Who.

>>82378147
The implication that he's doing it for us, not because it's the only way for him to feel important in an otherwise failed life, is quite funny.

>>82378121
You're right. I think in situations like this I need to step back and remember that for most of the people I talk to on here, going to uni means taking on crippling debt, so it's a much more serious venture for them.

It'll still always be bizarre to me how worked up people on the internet will get about what topics you choose to study. If I had said I was a NEET, which is what I had been for years previous to enrolling, nobody would even bat an eyelid.

>>82378147
And the latter wouldn't be bad at all if Sandifer wasn't so militant in regards to his Marxism. I went to his tumblr a few months ago, and he said he wished he could go to a retail store on Black Friday and shoot anybody who entered.

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>>82378319
>he said he wished he could go to a retail store on Black Friday and shoot anybody who entered.

>>82378270
Yup. Especially as an anon (not a trip), you have no obligation to keep replying. If replies frustrate you, you can even "hide > apply all" the comments to make the whole conversation disappear. You have no obligation to engage. If you're not enjoying, or getting anything out of, the conversation, why bother? It's 4chan, not work, not uni.

Cultural aspects might also be part of it, people from the States have a very different view of tertiary education, and the financial aspects are a large part of that, as you say.

Hope you enjoy your elective in any case!

>>82378270
Debt isn't the point, the point is being serious about your life so you don't end up like Philip Sandifer. There's no point in going to university if you're going to piss the experience away on nonsense.

Anyone else notice that the joke 13th Doctor costume posted on Twitter by the costume designer was made out of the same material the urchin girl was wearing in Thin Ice?

>>82378319
It's not as if he has the slightest clue of what Marxism entails anyway, he's just trying to rationalize his misanthropy.

>>82378359
Outside the States there's no such thing as an elective. So somebody is full of shit.

Do you think Sandifer will participate in the inevitable Cletus Cull?

>>82378404
He once went on a rant on why all leftists are required to arm themselves for a violent revolution against society. I asked him if he ever did anything violent in his life, and he said he keyed somebody's car once.

>>82378467
BASED SANDIFER

>>82378432
http://www1.rmit.edu.au/students/studentelectives

https://www.newcastle.edu.au/course/information-about-electives

>>82378377
>There's no point in going to university if you're going to piss the experience away on nonsense.
Sure, I'll just go back to never leaving the house and having no friends :^) That'll surely lead to a more fulfilling life than studying the wrong thing at uni ever could!

Debt is the point though, because I could drop out of uni tomorrow, or I could finish my degree in a couple of years and never use it to get a job, and it wouldn't ruin my life or have been a waste of time. Other people, such as yourself, don't have that luxury so they get irrationally mad over this

>>82378432
>Outside the States there's no such thing as an elective
I cannot even begin to understand how you possibly could have come to this conclusion

>>82377171
>socialists claim capitalists are greedy
>they're the ones wanting a share of everyone else's wealth

>>82377727
>REEEE APPLE IS AN UNETHICAL AND EVIL COMPANY
>buys apple products anyway

But that literally is hypocritical, comparing that situation to the other two is retarded.

>>82378524
No, it genuinely will ruin your life. Not because of debt, but because three years of the wrong subject is a black mark for employers. You shouldn't be using it to get out of the house, you should be able to get out of the house already. If you're not, half your time at university will be wasted on getting used to social life.

>>82378516
I'd be surprised if they had student funding that made getting the wrong degree "no biggie", which is the other part of what this defensive anon is claiming.

>>82378497
Good grief.

>>82378682
t. americuck

>>82378682
>three years of the wrong subject

lmao that's not how electives work

>>82378682
Legitimately imagine projecting this hard.

>1. It’s smaller on the inside.
>2. The episode is very musical. It starts with a violin, ends with a piano, and has some bass in the middle.
>3. For those interested, it’s “Sonata for solo violin No. 1 in G minor,” by Bach.
>4. So, she’s gonna be more like later Amy/Rory and Clara, and less like Rose, Martha, and Donna.
>5. The Doctor helping Bill move is my favorite visual gag thus far, in Series 10.
>6. For those keeping score: we can check the requisite “Time Lord” conversation off our to-do list of new companion firsts.
>7. Mark my words: Bill will meet Thirteen.
>8. We meet Bill’s grandfather.
>9. Bill shows her new place to her mom.
>10. Harriet Jones!

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/10-teasers-for-knock-knock-84528.htm

>>82378682
>I'd be surprised

Oh so you won't actually research it, you'll just assume you know better. Got it.

>it genuinely will ruin your life

Oh wait, you're just a troll.

>>82378797
>Mark my words: Bill will meet Thirteen.

Holy fuck if this is true then something I heard a while ago is true, won't spoil it but it is probably to do with what Edward Russell said

>>82378716
>>82378497
Sandifer is the Moviebob of Doctor Who fans.

>>82378797
>For those interested, it’s “Sonata for solo violin No. 1 in G minor,” by Bach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVSmJvg3SDA - lovely!

>Mark my words: Bill will meet Thirteen.
>>82378832

Do we mean Thirteen in the sense of The Lie of the Land's regeneration? No idea how Knock Knock would connect to that though. Or do you mean something, what did Russell say?

> Harriet Jones!

The Supreme Dalek herself?

>>82378682
>No, it genuinely will ruin your life.
Not it won't.

>because three years of the wrong subject is a black mark for employers
I think the 6 years of being a NEET before I finally started studying are more of a problem, anon.

>I'd be surprised if they had student funding that made getting the wrong degree "no biggie", which is the other part of what this defensive anon is claiming.
In my country, there is no interest on student fees and you only have to start paying it once you're over a certain income threshold. Meaning if I don't get a job after uni, I don't pay anything. And if I do get a job that pays enough to bring me over the threshold, the payments are taken out in small quantities so that it barely affects my life.

And yeah, when I have someone whining about how I'm ruining my life because I've taken the first positive step towards finally getting my shit together, of course I'm gonna be a little "defensive".

What's your excuse?

>>82378797
The Harriet Jones reference was in a clip on Facebook

>>82378832
what did Ed Russell say?

>>82378893
>Not it won't.
Correct.

>In my country
I doubt the specifics will matter to that other anon, some Americans (and people of other nations, obviously, but notably Americans because they dominate online and rarely travel) legitimately cannot comprehend cultures and institutions dissimilar to their own.

>>82378886
Well I heard the Vault opens at the end of Knock Knock, which is why Nardole/Bill/Doctor go off world on adventures in the following episodes, because there's no need to guard the vault

>>82378971
I'm pretty sure the big reveal of what's in the vault happens in Extremis

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>>82379097
Where the fuck did that rack come from, Missy's stacked

>>82379129
Check out Green Wing. She plays a sex hungry older cougar there and the show is pretty funny on the top.

>>82379117
>michelle's face when she opens my dick pic, at first thinking it's really big but then noticing an object within the frame that brings my body into proper perspective

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>>82379539
Shit where are these from?!

So excited for Lie of the Land, looks its going to be Deyo's best episode to date, although it'll have to surpass School Reunion to be so

>>82377379
>I think the issue - and Sandifer isn't a critic, he's a fan blogger - is that people
I actually agree with you in this case but holy shit, what a pretentious way of writing. This is why I can't stand any of your posts. And yes, I recognize you.

>>82379590
Is it Neo?

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>>82379558
Both are from Extremis, but there's several more from the next four eps. Stewart Seyfried collected them in a new video on his channel, they're from the DWM previews but I'm not sure where he got his in decent resolution

>>82379615
Really looking forward to a proper 3-person TARDIS team again.

>>82379590

not that guy but what's pretentious about using dashes like that? you learn that in high school

>>82379614
It's Mel anon.

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>>82376694
I liked Quill. Hope she reappears in the main show.

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>tfw RTDchad
>tfw watching the impossible planet / satan pit for the third time this month

>>82379615
farfarawaysite has them in 4K

>>82379649
nothing, but gotta shit on others opinions somehow

>>82379684
When they say the Veritas makes people commit suicide, is it like a compulsion, a curse, or is the truth in it so terrible that people willingly commit suicide? I bet it will be set up like the former but end up being the latter. Keen to see whatever the "truth" is.

>>82379682
Really? I can only find up to Knock Knock

>>82379685
i mean if he was using semicolons i would understand. not that you can really use semicolons and maintain a good "flow" with how your post reads. hence why theyre so rare, even in books by talented writers

>>82378641
>That literally is hypocritical
No it isn't.

>>82379684
What will the political message be this time?

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>>82379737
>hence

>>82379749
The terrible truth that drives people to suicide is that Drumpf gets another term

>>82379737
yeah semicolons have a very specific purpose, whereas dashes (and commas) emulate very common conversational pauses and asides. its hilarious to see someone think dashes are pretentious. whats next, are apostrophes pretentious too?

>>82379745
It is, since people can choose to buy non-Apple phones if they think Apple is evil.

>>82379749
It's a book that makes you want to kill yourself.

Aka, the Qu'ran.

It's an anti-Muslim episode.

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>tfw currently discussing a new meme to force on the secret trip pronhub comments

>>82379649
It's embedding a sentence in a completely unrelated sentence for no reason. This is how people talk when they're just speaking off the cuff and aren't really organizing their ideas. Nobody writes like that, but he probably thought it sounded cool and intellectual because he's heard people in interviews and such use that kind of diction.

>>82379749
that that dastardly drumpf is up to no good

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>>82379757
are you gonna say using hence is pretentious now too?

>>82379787
t. illiterate cletus

>>82378641
It's not hypocritical unless you're telling other people not to by Apple products. You could regard this as futile and believe that the damage to Apple from such a campaign, let alone from denying them your own purchase, would be completely insignificant, in which case there's no reason not to buy one.

Mini Matt Smith followed Tom Rosenthal on twitter.

Within last few days. (Have been routinely checking).

>>82379779
That doesn't make it hypocritical.