/who/ - Doctor Who General

>>81713555
http://www.strawpoll.me/12762286
http://www.strawpoll.me/12762286
http://www.strawpoll.me/12762286

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>>81713555
>even got trips

How will Gomezcucks ever recover?

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>>81713555
REMINDER THAT WAIFU WAS ROBBED

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fuck russian hat doctor
post british kid doctor
youtube.com/watch?v=ZDasLpPLMsI

>>81713597
Heather isn't the dominating kinda girl

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Don't forget to watch whovians
https://mega.nz/#!oXhmmaKI!tmatHVr5jtgUPFpltZMdCbSfWYMdyftEUwBME2d0T1Y

http://www.strawpoll.me/12763253

IT'S TIME TO DECIDE.

>>81713687
I'm good thanks

>>81713503
>still watching Doctor Who
>having self respect
.

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>>81713555
>Simm enters twice, both killed early, no kills for either of them.
>Gomez smart enough to trick Wet Waifu into fighting and dying in her place while she laughs and laughs.

>>81713687
I'd rather rip out my eyes

So in the teaser for upcoming season - it showed 12 doing the regeneration process, obviously he wont be regenerating until the christmas special...so what do you think that's all about?

nth for reminder that if you thought the episode was shoddily written you're literally just a homophobic bigot

The episode was trash desu. I guess that's what happens when you try to please the lowest common denominator, the show stops being interesting so that normies can comprehend what's going on without having to know anything about the show.

Anybody in the mood to jump in the stream and watch fan kino?

>>81713707
Why is jack miles not an option?

>>81713725
anyone wanna do another one?

>>81713770
2 late mate
im going to sleep

>>81713757
There's some kind of plot about 12 prolonging or holding back his regeneration
Capaldi's said he's filmed his "death", but still hasn't started filming the christmas special

>>81713785
Not tonight, leave it a day or two

>>81713770
only if it's so bad that it's laughable. I'm getting tired of watching fan films that are somewhat good.

>>81713757
we've had quite a bit of discussion about this over the past few days. Capaldi I think said his regeneration is "complicated" or something. He's apparently filmed his death, but the Christmas special hasn't started filming
The leading theory is that he regenerates early on and holds it in, putting it off until Christmas. Either that or something timey wimey.
It looks like he's regenerating during one of the truth monks episodes, which is only halfway through the season. So I'm interested to see what ends up happening

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>>81713639
MUH KNOCKFU

>>81713811
all right so who are the candidates for 13?

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>>81713838
Unsure if we will have enough people at this time actually.

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>>81713725
Aww, Satan Capaldi was a pacifist.

Also, unrelated, but my ex who used to roleplay as Ten in bed just messaged me asking me if we can be fwb, what the fuck is going on

>>81713877
Yesterday the tabloids were all reporting Kris Marshall as """confirmed"""

>>81713914
Do it lad

>>81713914
he wants the sex part but not the caring about you emotionally part
completely up to you whether you're into that

tfw foreman STILL isn't out

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>>81713639
night lads, may waifu be with you xx

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>>81713972
>tfw dont live in the UK so you don't see these tabloids

>>81713649
Weather is though.

>>81713877
The actual candidates are probably people nobody's mentioned yet, given that's the way it was with both Capaldi and Smith.

The bettors have Kris Marshall and Phoebe Waller-Bridge as the top contenders, with Natalie Dormer, Olivia Coleman, David Harewood, and, on some sites, Andrew Buchan and/or Tilda Swinton also in the running.

The Mirror claims they have an inside source who confirms it's Kris Marshall, and also that he's starting filming now to be part of S10. Every other tabloid has either written an article using the Mirror as a source, or clumsily copied and pasted the Sun's article using the Mirror as a source.

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why live?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Lucas
>Lucas is gay, and has said he first had an inkling as such at the age of seven
>seven

LMAO, these people

>>81713877

>Ben Whishaw 5/1

>Richard Ayoade 6/1

>Rory Kinnear 7/1

>Miranda Hart 8/1

>Jason Flemyng 9/1

>David Harewood 10/1

>Helena Bonham Carter 10/1

>Alexander Vlahos 12/1

>Daniel Rigby 12/1

>Olivia Colman 14/1

>Michael Sheen 14/1

>Idris Elba 16/1

>Chiwetel Ejifor 16/1

>Russell Tovey 16/1

>Ben Daniels 20/1

>Alexandra Roach 20/1

>Jennifer Saunders 20/1

>Sheridan Smith 20/1

>Sophie Okonedo 25/1

>Tilda Swinton 25/1

>Helen Mirren 25/1

>Hugh Bonneville 25/1

>Sarah Lancashire 25/1

>Eddie Redmayne 25/1

>Phillip Glenister 25/1

>David Mitchell 33/1

>Keeley Hawes 33/1

>James Corden 50/1

>Hugh Grant 50/1

>Katherine Kelly 50/1

>Damian Lewis 50/1


Source:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/next-doctor-who-odds-peter-capaldi-replacement-ben-whishaw-richard-ayoade-a7554591.html

Some papers are reporting Kris Marshall as confirmed though, so take that as, you know, whatever

Still haven't seen the first episode, without spoilers was it good?

>>81714152
Why are you copying odds from a 3-month-old news article?

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>>81714174
Companion is pure waifu material

>>81714174
Yep

>>81714149
That's when daddy first touched his bumhole

>>81714183
I copied it from a few threads ago, I didn't realise it was so old

>>81714174
very good

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>>81713982
>>81714005
>Doctor Who has ruined me to the point where all it takes is someone being able to talk like Tennant to turn me into putty

What have I become

>>81714219
He is Jewish so I wouldn't be surprised

>>81714314
A whore

>>81714174
Not really. It wasn't horrible but there was nothing crazy about it. Bill was alright, Nardole was pretty funny, Capaldi was interesting but didn't do much and there wasn't much of a threat.
Spoilers: The Pilot only actually starts showing up pretty late, every time she shows up they quickly run to the TARDIS and go somewhere else for a few minutes, a few times, and then it ends by a brief exchange of words.

>>81714385
This, although she was likely always a whore

>don't touch her hand!
>touches her hand
>it's literally nothing .jpg

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>>81714385
I already knew that
>>81714424
I am not a she

>>81714412
Thanks

>>81714494
>I already knew that

Then why did you ask?

My ex-girlfriend used to peg me. She roleplayed as Colin Baker and I was a pie. The flavour of the pie depended on the mood, of course. Sensual sex needed a smooth cream pie, but when it got hot and messy I preferred to be an apple pie. Meat pies were reserved for the hardest, most aggressive fucking, the kind where it feels like your dick/ass is going to fall off. I miss her every day.

>>81714474
to be fair I don't think he knew if Bill was strong enough to let go
Because lets face it, none of us would give up a chance to travel through space with Heather

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Paedophile.

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>there are gays in this thread
No wonder why you all liked that shit episode

>>81714118
Most of the betting sites are suspended for the weekend after a shit-ton of small bets on Kris Marshall (after the Mirror article came out) and a smaller number of much larger bets on Waller-Bridge.

This could mean that somebody knows something, that somebody is deliberately manipulating the betting to get publicity, or, most likely, that the bookies have no idea but are worried that both of the above are possibilities and want to wait until Monday afternoon to see if there's any actual news.

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>>81714592
That's not JNT.

>>81714606
>there are gays in this thread
>in a thread about Doctor Who
>a show originally created by gays, Jews, women, and foreigners, run by gays for the majority of its first 26 years, and then revived by a fat gay Welshman
Shocking!

FUCK THIS FUCKING MEME SHOW

MEME DALEKS EVERY SEASON
MEME BIGGER ON THE INSIDE
MEME SCREWDRIVER

>>81714606
>is surprised when he goes to a gay bath house to find there are gays there, but keeps going back every weekend anyway

>>81714762
It's supposed to be a family show.

It was bad enough having niggers and faggots stinking it up, but faggot niggers?

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>>81714606
We love the BBC

>>81714734
Thank you for your deep and original insights.

More like Doctor Poo, amirite?

>go on facebook
>sjw friends complaining about kris marshall rumours
>demanding that a non white/woman be cast

lmao

>>81714804
Poo is beneficial to the ecology.

Doctor Who is below poo even. It contributes nothing, it helps nothing, it does nothing.

>>81714831
and it made tripfags like cloister, macra, ben

Just heard a rumour they are casting a black man as the doctor

can anyone confirm, might have to DROP this show if so

>>81714822
What do you think 13's costume will look like?

>>81714910
wet clothes

>>81714866
Probably not, but if you're triggered by skin colour, you're clearly not going to enjoy Doctor Who, so just drop it anyway.

>>81714866
Idris Elba will be cast as the doctor, as well as James Bond and every other white male part in existence

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Ladies and gentlemen, the next Dr. Who

>>81714910
g string

>>81714118
>David Harewood
Wait, Martian Manhunter might be the next Doctor? That'd be totally fine with me.

>>81714952
>>81714953
WEW
E
W

>>81714149
how old were you when you first had a passing interest in a woman, anon?

wtf is in the vault?

>>81714990
Niggermind

>>81714963
Really? I like him as an actor, and as Martian Manhunter, and I'd like to see him get a high-profile role that lets him actually be as funny as he can be (unlike Homeland and Supergirl), but… I just can't see him as the Doctor.

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Spearhead from Space, including all of the extras. Be warned, however, by the fact that the trailer for Greatest Show has no audio + the UNIT Recruitment video's audio is out of sync.

https://mega.nz/#F!qZ50FCBK!7sLpVbvpkiojmsc-Hc3BMA

>>81715030
The good Doctor Who writing

Moffat is keeping it locked up tight.

>>81715022
When I touched my mom's dick at the age of 6

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>posted 38 replies
>didn't get a single (you)

>>81715183
.

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>>81715183
(You)

Not giving you a (you). Stop trying.

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what would this feel like?

So when is it going to be revealed that bill is Susan's mother?

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>>81715264
Fuck you Macra!

>>81715275
I imagine like straddling a threshold and hugging a door frame.

>>81715301
but were you in one dimension, your left hand would be phasing through your right hand. Your body still expects this to be the case, but physically they aren't actually touching each other at all despite the fact they should be overlapping in your local body space

@81715183

(You)

>>81715294
Susan is white.

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>>81715264
GIVE ME A (YOU)!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fDiXE88AHw
>do we love doctor who? fans of doctor who?
>emphatic "eehhhhhh"

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>>81715344
>Time Lords can't change skin colour when they regenerate, even though we saw Mels, the General, and Romana all did it.

>>81714734
>MEME DALEKS EVERY SEASON
There was five minutes of contractually-obligated Dalek footage in the Pilot and now we're done with them.

Vworp Vworp 3 scans when? I want to read that Alan Moore interview.

>>81715413
Wow. You're pretty fucking idiot.

I missed the first episode, what was the Simm tease?

>>81714963
Out of curiosity, if you could pick anyone for the next Doctor, who would your top few picks be?

>>81715445
just one shot of him at the end of the trailer
they got rid of any 'close your eyes after the countdown if you don't want spoilers' thing that was apparently in the press screening

>>81715448
(you)

>>81715275
It would probably feel weird since your body has a sense of where its limbs are.

>>81715038
I think he'd be alright if he gets to balance his sterner, serious acting with the usual goofiness that comes with the Doctor.
Though, oddly enough, I feel like his outfit would make or break it for me, if he were cast.

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>>81715445
It's the Time War Simm so we got this:

>>81715487
Have you ever tried one of those mirror-box experiment things, where your eyes fool your brain into thinking your arms are in a different place than they actually are, and then as soon as you move it feels really weird?

It would be… like that in reverse.

So listened to Neverland couple nights ago. Pretty great story, more stuff about Zagreus, more good arc stuff, links back to Seasons of Fear, 9/10 story.

I thought all the main range was meant to be 4 parts so while listening I thought "this is dragging on a bit" and checked and it's instead 2 longer parts. Anyone know why they did this?

Also listened to The Maltese Penguin, pretty comfy story, small appearances from sixie, GOAT Frobisher, overall an enjoyable little bonus story.

What does /who/ think of Neverland and The Maltese Penguin. Next up is Spare Parts, but I already know what people think of that.

>>81715542
Both very good. But be warned, many consider Zagreus very meh when compared to Neverland.

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>>81715431
>Wow. You're pretty fucking idiot.

>>81715336
I would suppose it may feel disconcerting, but the fact that it's a box bigger on the inside that travels through time would supersede that fact to me at least. I wouldn't think about it marveling at everything else.

Doctor Who(res) spin-off with old companions making porn when?

>tfw Sarah Jane won't be in it

>>81715542
>I thought all the main range was meant to be 4 parts so while listening I thought "this is dragging on a bit" and checked and it's instead 2 longer parts. Anyone know why they did this?
I'm pretty sure there's an interview with Alan Barnes where he explains, but I can't remember what the answer was. But in general, BF was starting to experiment with the format around that time, so they probably didn't need much reason to try out a story with only one cliffhanger instead of three to see how it worked out.

>What does /who/ think of Neverland and The Maltese Penguin.
Very good and even better.

The only problem with Neverland is that Zagreus doesn't live up to the buildup. But, like most BF listeners, you've probably seen enough NuWho series and/or Classic stories that you can handle that kind of disappointment.

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DALEKMANIA, ripped straight from the one fucking DVD the library has of the Dr. Who collection.

https://mega.nz/#!nUA3RRzR!2Q7ycWC5sAQ2EtKX0jMgDV8yzK_zWNiD5yHMlAK0Z6s

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>>81713711
>>81713753

>>81715658
http://www.deborahwatling.net/

Look at the scrolling marquee across he top:

>It's Coming......27th May 2017.........It's Coming......27th May 2017.........

Deborah Watling - Frazer Hines - Wendy Padbury threeway porn confirmed.

>>81715708
is it funny or boring?

>>81715780
Dunno, I just ripped it. It's a documentary about the Dalek craze during the sixties, so it's up to you.

>>81715275
I've honestly thought about this for years, it's so weird to see someone else draw a diagram of it.

>>81715581
>>81715659
Ah ok. Are there any more 8th doctor stories before Zagreus? Seems like they wouldn't go from 34 to 50 without any 8 stories but then the ending of Neverland makes it seem like Zagreus should be the next story.

>>81715839
Neverland leads directly into Zagreus

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>>81713597
>tfw Heather will never pull you into the shower and rape you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhehkqqwa8M

>>81715839
Nope, 8 is the most straightforward Doctor you can find. Big Finish made his timeline easy to navigate, and I'm grateful for it.

Although, Shada, the trilogy with Mary Shelley, and the one with all of his alternate companions happen the earliest in his timeline.

>>81715839
No more 8 until Zagreus.

Which was really annoying at the time—17 months of waiting, with new hype about Zagreus every month, before it finally came out. (Which only made it more of a letdown.)

>>81715917
>8 is the most straightforward Doctor you can find.
Only if you ignore Company of Friends tying the EDAs into Big Finish continuity

>>81714152
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/2749348/next-doctor-who-latest-odds-peter-capaldi-kris-marshall-natalie-dormer/

Phoebe Waller-Bridge
>4/6

Kris Marshall
>3/1

Tilda Swinton
>6/1

Phoebe is qt.

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>>81715916
>ywn put your pipe up her jeans

>>81716115
>DOCTOR Who fans have been left reeing after news broke that Peter Capaldi had quit his role as the Time Lord.

>>81716097
Don't forget about The Dying Days and the DWM comics also being tied into Big Finish continuity (and at that point, might as well cram in the RT comics too).

And Gary Russell changed the official line on how those different things fit together at least twice before even getting to Company, where Alan Barnes changed it again…

>The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know.

>>81716045
Yeah that makes sense. At least I won't be waiting that long. I only own up to 38 but I won't wait 17 months to listen up to that and buy the rest up to 50

>>81716603
In case you don't know: You can listen to the first 50 monthlies (and 80-odd other assorted things) legally for free on Spotify and a variety of other streaming services, instead of buying them for 75% off.

Oi you faggots, did you enjoy the episode or not?

>>81716806
Funny coincidence because actually got Spotify premium yesterday (family thing, I don't pay for it) and yeah we actually talked about this on /who/ a couple days ago.

>>81716882
it was fun
the space oil makes absolutely no sense once you start questioning it though

>>81716882
Yah

>>81716882
How long will we be getting these posts for?

>>81716882
Moderately. A lot of it was devoted to reintroducing things that returning viewers are already familiar with, which is probably for the best, but I feel like that dragged it down a bit for me.

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>>81716882
enjoyed my new waifu

Where did nardole drop a nut from at the start? He's got no visible mechanical parts

>>81716115
Why are the Sun's odds so much different from everyone else's?

Everywhere else, the list goes more like this:
>Kris Marshall
>Phoebe Waller-Bridge (close behind, both under than 1:1)

>Natalie Dormer
>Olivia Colman
>Andrew Buchan
>David Harewood (near 4-way tie)

>Michaela Coel
>Richard Rankin
>Tilda Swinton (near 3-way tie)

And all the rest of their "top candidates" are way down the last after a whole bunch of other people like Maxine Peake and Mathew Baynton, and with much longer odds than the Sun is giving them.

So… is there a way to buy options against SunBets or something, to make money off the huge differentials?

>>81717110
Is this from paint anon?

>>81717052
Judging by history, we'll be getting posts like these, and a lot worse, until the season is over.

i dont know where i am

We've spent so much time asking "Valeyard when" and now we've actually got the twelfth doctor regenerating, it's apparently complicated, and no one is saying boo.

I get that technically Valeyard should've popped up when Tennant regenerated into Smith, but Moffat's been saying "I don't really get the Valeyard" so often that it seems like a red herring. I'm actually letting myself get a little bit excited about the possibility, desu.

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>tfw you will never drown in Heather's eternally moist mound

Why live?

>>81717192
only reason i ask this because you boi pucci lovers don't actually talk about the episodes in these threads. It's all homo erotic in-jokes and shit.

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The Web of Fear, including a trailer for The Enemy of the World.

https://mega.nz/#F!nRY3AQ4b!6nZE-pux8lE_Oun2YOAMiQ

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>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2017/04/16/doctor-britains-got-talent-equal-saturday-night-ratings-battle/
The overnight ratings are barely higher than they were for TMA. Get ready for Wilderness 2.0.

>>81717429
FUCK. Was really hoping for some nice pickup with the new companion hype and improvement in advertisement. This is pretty worrying

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Simmchads unite!

>>81717123
His nuts.

Golf nuts!

>>81717429
That's not surprising.

I won't be surprised if Series 10 is at least somewhat inspired by the idea of a continuation of the atmosphere of the last few seasons of the original run. A lot of the promo photography doesn't look contemporary/modern so much as a throwback to some Saturday night 80s sci-fi show on the verge of cancellation (hey..). Putting aside the fact Bill seems to be Ace's spiritual successor, you look at Capaldi/Bill/Nardole beside each other and it looks like a b-series ripe to be torn apart on MST3K.

David Morrissey will be the next doctor.

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>>81717376

>>81717172
Looks like it was generated by that neural network site that turns art styles into filters.

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mfw simmchad

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>>81717601

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tfw simmchad

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mfw in a simmchad thread

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Would this have been better or worse than what we're getting?

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Would this have been better or worse than what we are getting?

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WATERSPORTS

>>81717429
>>81717467
Or maybe it's because viewing habits have changed and people care significantly less about catching live broadcasts

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>>81717848

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How many times have you rewatched The Pilot /who/
I've seen it seven times already

Thrice, two times with different people, once alone

who /chibnallchad/

>>81717909
Why was it so fucking comfy? Was it the direction?

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Simm truly is /ourchad/

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>>81717429
RTD never had this problem. Moffucks btfo

Chibnall with his blend weak writing and lack of any scope will finally kill NuWho.

>>81717887
They haven't changed that much in two years m8.

Chibnall with his blend weak writing and lack of any scope will finally kill NuWho

Chibnall with his blend weak writing and lack of any scope will finally kill NewWho

Chibnall with his blend weak writing and lack of any scope will finally kill NewWho.

>Overnight ratings of 4.6 million

Fuck, the show really went downhill in ratings since Tennant left.

> Simm Master left after making friends with the Doctor and sacrificing himself to save him

Why do people think he's going to be a villain?

>>81715030
>wtf is in the vault?

Did you miss Season 5?

They are doing a 'Pandorica Opens' thing again - at the end it'll be revealed that the vault either contains nothing OR it'll contain Simm's Master.

Ep wasn't great but Bill shaping up to be a GOAT companion

I'm going to miss Capaldi but Moffat really needs to go. Glad he's out.

>>81718231
>wrote it out 3 times
>never bothered to fix "blend" to be "bland"

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tfw moffchad

>>81718260
Third most viewed programme of the night, the one above it was only by 0.2 million. Shut up anon.

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>tfw

>>81717909
3. Two alone and one with my sister's.

>>81718375

> Same place as regeneration
> Hair is roughled upwards which occurs during the regeneration
> Clearly occurs after regeneration

I'm expecting a double regeneration. We'll have him regenerate and his personality will change instead of his looks - then we'll have his looks change.

>>81718437
I feel violated
can you draw peter davison's peter for the collection?

>>81718368
He might have meant "blend [of] weak writing and lack of any scope." We'll never know for sure.

>>81718427

>http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/ratings.html

Get gud

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>>81718450
>Clearly

>>81718502

Tbf with the anon, Moffat did say this will be a 'new regeneration' and that it wont be the same as the regenerations that came before.

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>yfw simm's just in one episode of the mid-series trilogy

>>81718530
That's all well and good, but the use of "clearly" is just idiotic. It's not clear, it's just interesting conjecture and theorycrafting.

>>81718496
I think what he actually meant is:
>I'm too stupid to Ctrl-V.
But close enough.

>>81718578
Except he's right with his points, even if his theory is not 'clearly' right, it is very likely the situation given

>>81718689
Except I'm not taking issue with his points, I'm taking issue with the condescending use of "clearly"

Chibnall with his blend weak writing and lack of any scope will finally kill NewWho

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>>81718450
But Capaldman regenerates in the new worn-out coat and that looks like his black one

>>81718549

> Monks are actually the main villains of the series and sealed under the university
> Missy is revealed to be the Rani
> Simm's master is only back for a death scene on Gallifrey
> All forms of Cybermen return so that the Nightmare In Silver Cybermen that everyone hate can wipe out the other versions

>>81718763
>Simm's master is only back for a death scene on Gallifrey

www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-04-11/john-simms-role-in-doctor-who-could-be-a-lot-bigger-than-we-thought

>>81718763
>Monks are clearly actually the main villains of the series and sealed under the university
>Missy is clearly the Rani
>Simm's master is clearly only back for a death scene on Gallifrey
>All forms of Cybermen return so that the Nightmare In Silver Cybermen that everyone hate can clearly wipe out the other versions

>>81718801
>fillmed for a few weeks
>could just be in one episode
shitty headline

>>81718862
Well Simm is bad and blend actor and thinks he's a superstar could take a week for to scenes

Post yfw the evil doctor is the Valeyard

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>>81719024

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>>81719024

Post yfw simmchad

>>81719024
If there were an "evil doctor" who weren't a fake, he'd obviously be the Valeyard, so it would hardly be surprising or exciting. (The original surprise for the Valeyard wasn't "Ohmigod, this evil Doctor is actually the Valeyard", it was "Ohmigod, whatever the fuck a Valeyard is is actually the Doctor". And even that wasn't all that exciting, but turning it around would just make it stupid.)

But since there is no "evil doctor", I'm not sure what you're talking about in the first place.

I'd like to see a parody of Tardis Eruditorum where it's a full episode by episode analysis of something really basic like The Fresh Prince of Bel Air and it goes into all these metanarratives and deep alternative readings and shit.

>>81719119
Wow. You're pretty fucking stupid.

>>81719147
So, Tardis Eruditorum then?

>>81719119
Come back when you've read the synopsis for ep 8 dear

>>81719183
Pretty much. I mean he basically established that you can come up with a 2deep4u reading for anything, but it seems more justified with Doctor Who because of its length, cultural importance and the amount of obsessed fans it has. It would seem a lot more silly if you did it with just a random sitcom.

>>81719119
Valeyard would be a sign that the ending of the series is approaching.

Moffat established three names the Doctor would go by before his death.

> "He will have other names before the end, Storm, The Beast, The Valeyard..."

- Storm (Oncoming Storm) - 10th Doctor
- The Beast - 12th Doctor
- The Valeyard - ?

So when the Valeyard arrives, they've basically covered the three names he has - the Valeyard is effectively spawned during the penultimate regeneration.

So Moffat has basically set-up that if we ever get Valeyard, the show will end soon after

>>81719210
Yes, a story where the companion doesn't trust the Doctor means the Doctor has been replaced by an evil Doctor. In a dozen stories from the Time Warrior on, that's the way it's always turned out.

>>81719324
>So Moffat has basically set-up
>Moffat established
go to bed steven

>>81719340
"When even the doctor is fighting for the wrong side"

>>81719210
>ome back when you've read the synopsis for ep 8 dear

Source?

>>81719297
>but it seems more justified with Doctor Who because of its length, cultural importance and the amount of obsessed fans it has
… and the total disregard for continuity that begs for far more fanon than any other franchise. (It's not a coincidence that Who fandom invented the term "fanwank".)

>>81719297
I think you're going at it from the wrong angle to see it as like a misled 2deep4u thing, the idea with critical analysis is that the reading itself is the thing. It's not so much "this Doctor Who episode has these ultra deep meanings", it's "we can talk about these ultra deep things through a Doctor Who episode"

For all of the Valeyard posting:

"Writer's guidelines for the Virgin New Adventures specifically asked writers not to discuss the continuity issues created by the Valeyard or the Doctor's trial in The Trial of a Time Lord, branding the Valeyard "a continuity nightmare, and a rather dull villain", and took the official line that those events had taken place in the Doctor's personal future."

>>81719383
Yes, just like the Doctor really was fighting for the wrong side in The Time Warrior, and really was the most evil monster in the universe in The Pandorica Opens.

>>81719437
And, like almost everything in the Darvill-Evans' guidelines, that was completely ignored. Most obviously by Millennial Rites, a novel entirely about the continuity issues created by the Valeyard and the Doctor's trial (and Mel's whole Melness).

> Episode 11
> he witnesses the death of someone he is pledged to protect.
> Seemingly on his own again
> Basically a repeat of the core elements of 'Heaven Sent'

So Bill dies and the Doctor goes overboard and finds a way to bring her back...

Essentially doing the Clara thing all over again. Companion dies, Doctor gets mad, Doctor brings back companion, things go bad, Doctor is forced to give up companion or something.

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>>81719024

Anyone got the Moffat paving slab pic?

>>81719518
It's not Bill that dies, it's Missy

>>81719501
Not to mention that "the Doctor's personal future" at the time of the Virgin novels meant "the Eighth or later Doctor".

>>81719443
The episode synopsis itself says it you spastic http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-04-15/doctor-who-series-10-steven-moffats-episode-guide-8

>>81719437
I'd like a doctor-lite season with an "evil" (or retarded) Doctor and (old) companions would have to find or help him. They'd even ask the Master for help.

(only Moffat would try to write that shit idea)

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>>81718375
Man 12 is so out of character in this screenshot

>>81719580
Yes, just like the episode synopsis for The Pandorica Opens.

Gosh, it's almost like sometimes the synopses are sometimes intentionally slightly misleading to draw you into the story or something, rather than dry summaries to be used as Wikipedia leads after the episode has aired.

>>81719555
>It's not Bill that dies, it's Missy

I doubt he ever pledged to protect Missy - and we know she can never die in this show - because she is a villain and a recurring one. It could be the Simm Master i suppose?

>>81719633
we Valeyard now

>>81719414
I know and I agree that's a valid approach. But the reason to do it through Doctor Who and not something else is largely because of those things I mentioned and I think it would be funny do see it done with something that's more obscure and generally gives you less to work with as far abstract ideas (not that Fresh Prince didn't have its moments).

>>81719643
I wasn't theorising, I was telling you what actually happens.

Valeyard was a shitty trip.

>>81719645
Except he looks freaking hilarious rather than scary, mad or even slightly intimidating.

>>81719672
Ah I getcha. Maybe something a lot more juvenile like Teletubbies.

>>81719518
It's not Bill that dies, it's clearly Missy

>>81719678
>I wasn't theorising, I was telling you what actually happens.

Any source? Because it would make no sense given the synopsis or the shots of Missy we have seen from the filming of episode 12 with her, Simm and the Cybermen.

>>81719642
>It's a story where everyone across the planet is being brainwashed >Theres a shot in the coming soon trailer from that episode where the doctor has a menacingly evil grin, in the same room as the regeneration shot >Fuck offerino

>>81719672
Maybe you should write it. Or just essays on like the first two episodes.

>>81719717
This ^

Synopsis even hints that Bill might be forced to kill him.

Forcing his regeneration in the 'not real' world might cause them to break out of things and/or he'll use regeneration energy to save them all again.

>>81719580
To be fair, there was one completely honest episode synopsis last year:

>9 Sleep No More
> ...
>DO NOT WATCH IT.

>>81719709
Sounds GOAT, would read/10.

>>81719771
True

>posted 87 replies in that thread
>just 2 (you)

Why even watch Doctor Who?

>>81719755
Maybe someday. Right now I'm still trying to build a youtube channel.

>>81720030
a channel on what

Where would you place The Triumph of Sutekh in 7's timeline? The site I use places it just before his trilogy with Klein/Will, with Dominion happening two stories prior, despite the clear difference in clothing and other references.

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>>81719024

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>>81720070

>>81720053
On Tripfags

>>81720070
>>81720100
Did you mean to reply to yourself under the same tripcode?

>>81719627
cheers

>>81720128
he's not the brightest trip..

>>81720070
>The site I use

Eyespider? I don't agree with them every time but they add little justifications for their more controversial choices and are overall the best compendium timeline site. You honestly might wanna message them with your (valid) point about the timeline, they're open to changes I believe.

>>81720128
Yeah, I was just showing how it's placed.
>>81720163
Huh, I never considered that. Thanks!

>>81720070
>despite the clear difference in clothing and other references.

Can you expand on this, I'm legit interested

Who here is writing fanfic?

>>81720053
Just random stuff. Right now it's mostly opinion vlogs about random topics. Although there is one highly edited Doctor Who "review" and it's a bit Sandifer-esque. That and an AMV are pretty much the only non-shitpost videos so far.

>>81720230
You, I assume. Something like - I dunno - Dodo meets Senor 105?

>>81720261
What episode did you review?

>>81720230
There so much Who fanfiction and canon fiction about that I rarely feel inspired to write whofic

>>81720084

Finally get Valeyard
> Is for one episode of a three-parter
> Is Peter Capaldi who is made to smile creepily the whole time
> Spends the whole episode ordering some army men to do things rather than doing anything himself, because they cant have the Doctor kill people
> Is killed by Bill and regenerates revealing it's all an illusion
> Never get the Valeyard again

How would you feel if Valeyard was just another form of the Dreamlord as described?

>>81720196
Well, since some stories aren't placed specifically somewhere on the Doctor's timeline, some fans have used the covers of Big Finish to do the placing. For example, Seeds of War is set near the very end of 6's life, as evidenced by his technicolor coat and Mel's appearance. However, he meets an earlier version of himself, with the blue coat, in The Wrong Doctors (although this happens earlier for T6, shortly after dropping off Evelyn, which is post-Trial).

The best way to place where a story happens for 6 or 7 is the cover, if not stated in the story. Another example of this is the cover of 45, which shows the movie's TARDIS console.

>>81720265
More like Twelve, Bill and Nardole go into an alien tomb, and go back to meet the original inhabitants of Earth.

>>81720365
>>81720196
The blue coat for 6 also shows a very clear difference in his audio personality, as opposed to his TV personality. Every story of 6 up until Real Time (Evelyn and the Cybermen, got "animated" by the BBC, then turned into an audio) has him wearing his trademark rainbow coat, but this story and nearly all that follow show him with the blue coat, up until The Wrong Doctors, where he changes it as a promise to Mel. Although the cover for Spaceport Fear shows the blue coat, he's wearing his regular one in the story.

>>81720287
I don't want to say because that'd make it possible to find the video and I don't want to promote the channel through anything external to youtube. It's kind of dumb, but I want to see how far I'll get just by relying on the youtube algorithm to recommend my videos to people. So far the answer is nowhere, but like I said most of my videos have been low-effort shitposts. I'm planning to do more stuff like the Who review and hope it gets people's attention.

>>81714314
Time Whore

Redpill me on Phil Sandifer, Lawrence Miles, and Ian Levine

>>81719383
Haven't you read the episode descriptions?
The three parter is about some kind of mass delusion psyop shit. The doctor fighting for the wrong side doesn't mean it's an evil doctor, it just means he's gone under the influence of whatever the truth monks are doing

>>81720365
>>81720485
Interesting. So do you have differing personal placements from Eyespider often?

>>81715524
So.... it would feel weird, then i would move my arms then my brain would be fooled they are in a different place?

>>81720316
>just another form of the Dreamlord as described

Dream Lord
>wasn't played by Matt Smith
>didn't spend any time ordering army men or anyone else around
>wasn't killed by a companion

>>81720704
Kek.

Almost. but actually, it would feel weird, then you would move your _brain_ and your _arms_ would be fooled they are in a different place.

My fault for the confusion; should have rotated through the sixth dimension instead of the fifth.

>>81720689
>>81720485
Since you guys are talking about story placement, maybe one of you owns AHistory and can answer my question from earlier:

I bought a copy of the Amazon Kindle version, and all the footnote links in the "present day" section go to a completely different section, making it basically useless.

I've already sent an email to Mad Norwegian, but meanwhile…

Are then any pirate versions that have all the footnote links, and that aren't broken like this?

(Also, while I'm at it, are there any pirate versions that have the update and/or Unhistory merged in?)

So tired.

>>81721503
Of what?

>>81721503
And I'm turning into a monster.

>>81721612
No, I'm just feeling tired. I want to write fic.

More to the point, the Big Finish personnel were sober, safe pair of hands types. The fact that they were able to work up Big Finish and get the rights to make Doctor Who in the first place is a testament to their considerable professionalism - as is the fact that they’ve mildly improbably held the rights and continued their line with no end in sight as the new series kicked up. Equally telling is the number of people involved with Big Finish who have been gifted jobs on the new series. Barnaby Edwards and Nicholas Pegg, who both provide stirringly mediocre voice acting on Storm Warning can be unseen in any Dalek story. Alan Barnes and Gary Russell got the plum of doing The Infinite Quest, and Gary Russell was script editor for the new series (a far more menial and paper pushing position than on the classic series) on the last few Tennant specials, as well as on a few episodes of Torchwood and The Sarah Jane Adventures. And, of course, Nicholas Briggs voices all of the monsters.

So, we hit one of these points where I need to be clear that I don’t mean something as an insult: with the exception of Nicholas Briggs (who really does do some phenomenal voice work with his monsters), none of these people were hired on the new series for their talent. They’re mostly sinecures given to people for faithful service to Doctor Who over the years. And they’re deserved. It’s absolutely wonderful that Doctor Who hires Barnaby Edwards and Nicholas Pegg to be Dalek operators. But they got the jobs by being reliable and professional. Which sums up the nature of Big Finish pretty well: they can get a cast together to produce professional quality Doctor Who on a monthly basis.

>>81719324
That entire timeline that quote is from was retconned literally 5 minutes later when they jumped into the grave timestream

>>81721503
go to sleep then immigrant
sleep sleep sleep
don't you feel tired? so sleepy
go to sleep

>>81719324
At what point has 12 ever been referred to as a beast?
Even if he gets called the valeyard at some point it doesn't mean the show has to end. The doctor getting a new name doesn't mean he doesn't still use the old names

>>81720727
>Dream Lord
>>wasn't played by Matt Smith
>>didn't spend any time ordering army men or anyone else around
>>wasn't killed by a companion

Correction, that was the Nightmare in Silver 'evil Doctor' who was killed by the Doctor... who was basically the companion at that stage.

>>81722006
>At what point has 12 ever been referred to as a beast?

The girl who was immortal called him it at one point i think... not the same anon, but that's the time i remember from it.

>>81722080
No she didn't.

Go to Chakoteya, you can search the transcripts of all of the episodes she's in. The only time the word is used at all is Odin asking "What is this beast?" referring to Ashildr's fake monster. She never calls him "Beast" or anything similar.

Is today "make up theories based on clues that never even happened in the episodes" day?

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>>81722380
>Is today "make up theories based on clues that never even happened in the episodes" day?
I thought that was every day?

>>81722006
>Even if he gets called the valeyard at some point it doesn't mean the show has to end.
Sure it does. I mean, the way Simeon said it, it sounded like he was just saying that was one of the names the Doctor would have before the end. And he never answered Vastra's challenge. But still, that means absolutely positively that if the Doctor is ever called the Valeyard, the show will end.

Too bad the show ended before that could happen, because of the prophecy that the Doctor's final day would come when he went to Trenzalore, which he did only a few months later.

Except that obviously none of S7 ever happened at all, because the show ended a season before that, when the Doctor returned to Lake Silencio, because Moffat had told us that his permadeath there was a fixed point in time and nothing anyone could ever do could change that.

And, as other anons pointed out, the Doctor hasn't actually been called the Beast, nor has he been called the Storm since meeting Simeon, and that whole timeline was aborted anyway, and…

But other than all that, anon is absolutely right, if anyone were to walk up to the Doctor and say "Hey, Valeyard", the show would instantly end, and there's nothing the showrunner could do about it.

>>81714910
Nazi officers uniform if a white man

>>81722735
>But other than all that, anon is absolutely right, if anyone were to walk up to the Doctor and say "Hey, Valeyard", the show would instantly end, and there's nothing the showrunner could do about it.
And that's why they don't let Matt Whelan go near the filming anymore. Don't think he wouldn't end the show out of spite.

>>81717909
>I've seen it seven times already
Why?

What does this mean:

"Imagine if time all happened at once. Every moment of your life laid out around you, like a city. Streets full of buildings made of days. The day you were born; the day you die. The day you fall in love; the day love ends. A whole city built from heartbreak, and triumph, and boredom, and laughter, and cutting your toenails. The best place you’ll ever be. Time is a structure relative to ourselves, existing in the space made by our lives. Time and Relative Dimension in Space. It means life."

I feel like it's a big theme and idea but I can't work out quite what the Doctor is meaning

>>81721503
Use Morpheus it'll help

>>81723014
I thought it was an absolute GOAT speech, especially the ending

>>81723014
I think it's just a neato visual to imagine.

>>81723064
>>81723086

I love it too, especially the editing with it, I just literally don't know what it means and I'd really like to appreciate it more

>>81714100
She's kinda my mini MEW now, with lighter hair.

>>81715275
as long as you close your eyes, it won't be weird. it wouldn't feel anything abnormal, but your mind would be wtf.

>>81723282
>as long as you close your eyes, it won't be weird. it wouldn't feel anything abnormal
What do you mean? Of course it would. You would instinctively be expecting contact as your hand approaches and then reach beyond it and feel like your arms are accompanying the same space without touching.

requesting the pic of flying skeleton simm coming at you

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>>81723574
I don't have it but here's a different pic of Simm that might interest you, it's from S10 #dwsr

>>81723598
kek, thanks fellow simmchad

>>81723014
I think he's using the general-relativity "block spacetime" view of the universe, possibly together with "emergent time" or "timeless" theories like Julian Barbour's, as a metaphor for human experience. To oversimplify a bit:

There's no difference between space and time. A second ago or an inch to the right, they're both the same thing. Nothing moves through time; everything just is where/when it is in spacetime.

But events tend to contain records of events in their past, but not of events to their right. And from that distinction, you can derive a very close approximation of linear time as we experience it. (Well, at least you can in a toy version of general relativity.)

Now, instead of thinking about records at the physical level, think about experiences and memories at the human level. All of your experiences are out there, in the same way that a table in the next house over is out there.

But without a past and a future, what's the point of life?

Well, you can define the past: it's not the traces of subatomic forces, it's the experiences that shaped you as a person. That definition won't work for anyone else (because for them, the past is the experiences that shaped them, not you), but it will work for you. Time is relative to your life.

That version is of course no longer literally true, but there's some metaphorical truth to it.

As for "Time And Relative Dimension In Space", that's wedged in there a bit clumsily, but it's pretty obvious why he did that.

And I'm sure I did a terrible job explaining block spacetime and first-order emergent time theory, but you can google for that.

>>81723802
Thank you very much for taking my question seriously and giving this excellent answer. I understand it so much better now, and both 12's speech and your explanation are beautiful. Many thanks!

>>81724349
>>81724349
>>81724349

copy paste this post, copy-paste-anon