/lbg/ - letterboxd general

I like it. A lot of episodes are pretty milquetoast commentary, but it's a nice way to watch a b-movie without having to slog through it alone. Would you guys log those "MST3K" episodes on Letterboxd or the actual film that was showcased?

Yo hit a nibba up with some recs

What Lynch flicks are worth watching and which should I skip? I've only seen Blue Velvet and Mulholland Drive

>>81072871
>worth watching
none
>and which should I skip
all of them

>>81072047
I log it as the mst3k version

I also think mst3k fucking sucks (though I have only watched a couple)

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>>81072815

>>81072815
Final Sacrifice, Soultaker, Manos: the Hands of Fate, Mitchel and Space Mutiny

>>81072815
The naked kiss, black cat white cat, shadows in paradise, paris qui dort

>>81069948
Congrats, you made the OP again, pathetic faggot piece of shit.
I'm sure it brings you great satisfaction when it already starts with your walltext shitpost.

>>81072815
The Forbidden Request, 47 Nights, Forgive Us of Our Trespasses, Bondo's Club of the Dead, Fate of the Deadly Seven

jgarron

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>I don't watch tv, it's anti-art

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I still need a thorough explanation why D.W. Griffith is largely ignored by /lbg/. Look at pic-related. I need an explanation why the only films watched by him or acknowledged by him are the ones on the TSPDT list. He made over 500 films.

>>81078927
GO FUCK YOURSELF

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I also need a thoroughly researched answer for what was the first art film and an explanation as to why it wasn't Intolerance, a film which crosscuts between several centuries, pioneers flashback, tracking shots, camera movement, and is done without adaptation and no script.

>>81078970
GO FUCK YOURSELF, FUCKING RETARD

>>81078969
Not an answer

THE DOG'S MEAT, HAVE YOU SEEN IT?

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I also need a thoroughly researched and well-argued reason as to why True Heart Susie is on the TSPDT list as opposed to Dream Street, Sorrows of Satan, Isn't Life Wonderful, or A Romance of Happy Valley

And any truly proud Americans in this shithole of a general praising eurotrash and ignoring a great American pioneer would do themselves a proud favor for their country by offing themselves.

Before doing so, you ought to hear the words from one of D.W. Griffith's own Euro-American contemporaries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frNv-tVBafo

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And especially for those living in Southern states, Birth of a Nation is required viewing. There are no exceptions. It was the first great motion picture. Nothing else prior is close. Everything about motion pictures stems from Birth of a Nation, and it is a stirring tribute to those not given a voice proper. It is an American masterpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PrYrRt-M1s

D.W. will not be removed from history in favor of eurotrash like Viktor Seastrom, Yevgeni Bauer, or Carl Dreyer. Griffith was the one that made film art. He was the first.

Without Griffith, you would not have movies today. Griffith was the first to prove with accentuation of formalist qualities only possible in the medium of film, you could incite uproarious feeling, feeling that is still felt to this very day with the controversy of Birth of a Nation. Feeling is not felt on a grand scale by Ingeborg Holm today. No, it is felt by Birth.

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https://letterboxd.com/Synt/

What should I ask Ben Wheatley tomorrow?

the autist says that /lbg/ doesn't watch griffith's movies, but he forgot that corncord clubbed a corner in wheat.......

>>81079333
When is he going to start making good films again? Then stab him for JG Ballard and me.

>>81079433
>but he forgot that corncord clubbed a corner in wheat.......
Elaborate, baboon. If you're capable.

>>81079438
Yeah I didn't like High Rise either.

>>81079471
A community of /lbg/ members decided to all watch a Griffith short together and discuss it. But you would have known that if you started browsing this general more than a week ago.

>>81079532
He was probably busy looking up info on Letterboxd users who left 5 years ago.

>>81079471
Get fucked, retard

Things are so fucked nowadays here that bullying Synt seems uninteresting

I'm Synt's boyfriend and I won't tolerate bullying against my beloved Synt!!!

>>81079532
>>81079552
Watching one short doesn't mean anything. He made over 500 films and had influence on all of your inferior directors that you hold in high regard (seastrom, Eisenstein, abel gance, rosselini, orson welles, john ford, Renoir)

>>81079610
Whatever, fucking retard. You know nothing of cinema, nothing of art and even nothing of /lbg/.

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>>81072871

High Tier
MD
Blue Velvet
Eraserhead
Lost Highway
Twin Peaks FWWM

Mid Tier
Wild at Heart
Inland Empire (watch last...)
The Elephant Man

Low Tier
The Straight Story
Dune

I see all of your ratings. I see the low ratings you give to Griffith's films while praising eurotrash. And most of you are American. You're disgusting. You're filth. You deserve to be removed from the country.

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>When a user lists /tv/ in the bio

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>>81079622
OWNED >>81079610

>>81072871
Twin Peaks

>>81079640
>Low Tier
>The Straight Story
There you did wrong

>>81079622
I know plenty more than all of you. It's evident in my well-researched answers, some that can already be seen posted in this thread. You just bitch and cry when I prove each and every one of you to be ignorantly wrong.

>>81078927
>>81078970
t. Synt's boyfriend

>>81079699
In all your sad presence on this board and this general, you never made anything but shitposts. Every single thing you ever posted is a shitpost born of your stupid mind.

>>81079738
What does that have to do with me?

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I honestly didnt believe in the possibility of watching something worst than Hidden Figures so soon after that

>>81079811
It means you're the boyfriend of Synt (and enjoy sucking his cock), you fucking idiot. Try to keep up.

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>>81079844
True, Cameraperson is terrible.
I guess you mixed the stars

>>81079921
pleb n proud huh i see

>>81079907
No I mean why am I, Synt, getting associated with the Griffith conversation? It's got nothing to do with me man.

>>81078927
Because anything thats not modern/postmodern is bad except few exceptions, and you betcha DWG is not one of them

>>81079967
There's no 'Griffith conversation'. Poor /lbg/ dealing with some sick autist shitting up the place for weeks and your deluded bland ass calls it the 'Griffith conversation'. Fuck you

>>81079967
It's the autistic poster spammer acting up again.

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When did you finally get honest with yourself and admit you prefer him to John Ford?

/lbg/ is for shitposting professionals

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>>81080144
SAME FAGS

>>81080059
>>81080026
Niggers and posters give you satisfaction.

You will get neither. Only arguments and condescension, baboons.

>>81079997
>Because anything thats not modern/postmodern is bad
Elaborate. The form and morals in Birth of a Nation are very much modern today with all the apes running wild after getting a snippet of power.

81080306
Your little niggers and posters of films you never saw do not give us satisfaction. Your delusion of arguments and childish condescension do not give us satisfaction.
Nothing you post has any value.

>>81078927
Because he is fucking boring.

>>81080026
Lol there's a literal conversation on Griffith taking place in this thread right now you spastic. And they're calling me bland now! I love being a spectrum of hatred to the point of contradiction.

>>81080405
Im talking aesthetics you little racist shit

>>81080468
Only plebs find long takes and realistic modes of acting boring

>>81078970
Cabiria did that ealier

>>81080473
Your stupidity is something special.
There's nothing of the sort like a 'griffith conversation' here, there's just continued shitposting.
And you have always been a bland faggot.

>>81080511
Griffith has nothing on slow cinema, his long takes are way different, i know youre trolling but just stop

>>81080495
Elaborate on aesthetic. Form-wise, most importantly, D.W. Griffith's work were very modern and ahead of their time. Innovations in flashbacks, cross-cutting, mobile camerawork, nonlinear narrative, and cited preexisting elements of neorealism exemplify this.

By this rhetoric, is the autist also a /pol/tard?

bruh if you wanna speak to yourself and eventually get some reactions just go to twitter

>>81080534
Cabiria had no flashbacks and lacked crosscutting, montage, closeups, as well as nonlinear narrative. It's also a poorly told story with far too many intertitles and stiff camerawork.

>>81080547
At least I know the definition of conversation.

And I think you call me bland because I give you nothing to meme with. Does that infuriate you? like once in a while when I post I usually attach at least a question try in vain to generate discussion. occasionally it works - better than other users who literally post the same lines each time.

maybe I am bland - I just wanna talk about some films instead of create a cult of personality like the rest of some of you tryhards. Best thing is I don't even have to try anyway because you seem to like building one for me.

why are so many fags triggered by actual film discussion

do we need constant archivespam to be good?

>>81080578
>Griffith has nothing on slow cinema, his long takes are way different
Elaborate with citations and research.

Because evidently here, Griffith has all the elements of realism and deep focus photography in confined space as well as iris shots, masking, and night time photography Griffith even experimented with color for the last scenes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVrDv-4aaNI&t=209s

>>81080144

niche shitposters are cowards who lack intellect

>>81080706
Fascinating, faggot. You don't know the definition of a real 'conversation', and also lack the knowledge to identify what is purely shitposting- as is the case with what's happening here.
Quite a lot like what you practice with your bland, irrelevant posting in this general.
No doubt your condition is now of a lesser evil however, a simply stupid one.

>>81080736
there hasn't been actual film discussion in these threads for at least 3 years

>>81080615
Being very ahead of its time still doesnt make his work modern, thats not how art movements work.
Its just an opinion, but i trully dont like classical cinema, i find it stiff and little inventative, the russian avantgarde movement is good but besides that i really only start enjoying cinema again during the late 30's/early 40s. and even then is only part of those small movements that try to play with how do you make cinema.

I think my main grudge iwth Griffith is while his stuff is pretty much ahead of its time in america (I wouldnt call him inventative since everyone knows he mainly just did things the yuros also did)

I also dont like melodramatic movies and i think Griffith is far way to emotional, thats also what i meant by modernist/postmodernist movies, they just tend to be way less corny in that sense.

>>81080795
WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING RETARDED?

AND WHY THE ETERNAL BONER FOR GRIFFITH? IS YOUR AUTISTIC MIND SO LITTLE YOU FOUND A DIRECTOR AND CAN'T MOVE ON FROM THERE?

>>81080706
>I give you nothing to meme with
you're existence is a meme

>>81080908
He actually likes Griffith because he doesn't like "movies that are inspired by plays." He's a fucking spergtron.

>>81080795
That has nothing to do with slowcinema tho.
I recommend you reading a PHD" thesis named "Screening of Boredom" or something like it, you can google search it and you be able to find it.

Slow cinema is not called that way because the shots last long, griffith shots last long because Vertov wasnt around when he was making movies and everyone's shots used to last that long.

>>81080891
>the russian avantgarde movement is good but besides that i really only start enjoying cinema again during the late 30's/early 40s
>(I wouldnt call him inventative since everyone knows he mainly just did things the yuros also did)

Elaborate on why otherwise you're a pleb because Griffith already developed the modern principles of editing in his biograph shorts. He also pioneered realism in film acting to separate it from the theater. You can see it when you contrast his shorts in 1908 with films being made elsewhere at the time. Griffith also created the foundation for neorealism as cited here >>81078927

>>81080511
>Realistic modes of acting
>Black face white people and make them act like monkeys.
You're a little shit.

>>81081032
Principles of editing were created by Meliés, who you're trying to deceive? You're just saying tons of stuff without giving any actual proof and hoping people fall for it.
He also didnt pioneered realism in film acting and you should stop putting fake info in your posts.

Acting is one of the least important elements of cinema.

>>81081032
>Meliés created special effects back in 1902 with editing the negative
>"B-BUT GRIFFITH INVENTED FILM EDITING"

>>81080979
>griffith shots last long because Vertov wasnt around when he was making movies and everyone's shots used to last that long.
You don't know anything about film history. Griffith pioneered film editing. He has long takes but he also invented quick crosscutting and parallel action. He knew when to hold shots and when to cut to emphasize psychological effect. Him and Robert Flaherty are cited as the prime pioneers of the evolution of cinema and film grammar

http://www.mccc.edu/pdf/cmn107/the%20evolution%20of%20the%20language%20of%20cinema.pdf

Next time actually post a source when you want to pretend you know anything, little shit. Now go run some bathwater and take a plunge with a toaster.

>>81081032
Being influential to someone doesnt mean he created the foundation to a whole fucking movement, stop being so fucking dumb.
Griffith and neorealism are nothing alike

>>81081148
>The pleb thinks i havent read Bazín
lmao

>>81081096
>>81081120
Melies didn't invent crosscutting. Griffith did. Melies also didn't invent the closeup.

>>81081148
Griffith didn't create film editing. He developed it to new uses.l

How can someone be so dumb? lol

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I started watching this last night and turned it off 37 minutes in. I didn't want to subject myself to it any longer and decided there are better things I could be watching. Hey, got ten minutes longer into it than I did Vampire's Kiss. So, there's that.

>>81081181
Neither did Griffith, Close up was invented by that english guy who shot the robbing of the train from '03, Griffith first movie was in '08.
Also Griffith didnt invent crosscutting also, it was first used in that Firemen rescue thingy i dont remember the name.

>>81081151
>Griffith and neorealism are nothing alike
See here. >>81078927
>>81078970
He's cited as a prime influence for neorealism by De Sica and Rossellini because his 1924 film's use on on-location shooting, realism, and empathy for polish immigrants.

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>>81081186
You completely missed the point!

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>>81081181
>>81081219
GRIFFITH FAG BTFO'D

>>81081219
The Life of an American Fireman

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>>81081245
He's still one of the great filmmakers.

>>81081117
pleb

>>81081274
Yet the guy proved you're mispreading information you dont know about, making you look like a little bitch nigger.

No one is arguing Griffith is bad, they are arguing he's not the hot shit you make him out to be, and since based anon called you out in all your bullshits you're looking like a little fucking bitch

>>81081219
Griffith was the first to use closeup to emphasize dramatic or psychological effect in narrative, not for a fourth wall-breaking jab ending.

>>81081337
They did that in The Great Train Robbery when they close up on the gun, have you even seen the fucking movie?

>>81081294
Spatial architecture, which in what I would call a great film consists of the way lines and surfaces and angles and light and movement combine to create the meaningful visual expression that I find in Ford and Hitchcock and Rossellini and Bresson and Brakhage and Kubelka. Acting doesn't enter into it.

How can someone be so repeatedly, non-stop, time after time BTFO?
Simple, being a dumbfuck autistic faggot

>>81081303
>No one is arguing Griffith is bad
This anon clearly is >>81080891

>>81081177
If you read Bazin, then you would know montage is inferior to the long take and deep focus and that Griffith was the foremost pioneer of both latter techniques.

>>81081394
>if you read a book you must agree with everything written in it
Good thing you're illiterate then

>>81081394

If you read Bazin, then you would know montage is inferior to the long take and deep focus and that Griffith was the foremost pioneer of both latter techniques.

He wasnt and thats just like, your opinion.

I forgot Godard and his people were famous for their usage of longtakes and deep focus instead of Montage, and they are clearly not related at all to Bazín right.

Stop trying, you havent seen enough movies to have a discussion with me yet

>>81081354
Yes, you're referring to the ending which is completely separate from the continuing narrative of the film. You remove it from the film, it has no effect whatsoever to the plot. Griffith pioneered the closeup for dramatic and psychological effect within the confines of a narrative. You also said Griffith stole everything he pioneered from the Europeans >>81080891
yet now you're saying he stole everything from an American film from 1903. Sit the fuck down, child. You don't know anything.

>>81081461
Give a thoroughly researched argument as to why montage is superior to the long take then. The long take is superior to the montage because it has developed more in the history of cinema. Montage has not surpassed its primitive roots in parallel editing, accelerated action, and montage by attraction. The long take is also more realistic than montage insomuch that the actions shown in a production can be recreated in real life which shows cinema's systematic relationship with reality and its ability to snapshot a history of reality in motion. The long take also demands more participation not only behind the camera but from the audience as well to deconstruct and analyze the composition of a shot.

>>81081361
pleb

>>81081475
>if you take part of a film out of it, it then becomes absent of it
Truly magical to witness the mental process of such a mind

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>>81081461
You're a fucking retard. Godard's most famous shot from Weekend is a long take. Go crawl in a corner

>>81081475
Porter is well know as the "founder of montage" not Griffith.
Griffith's work is very simillar with europeans from 1905~ tho.
Griffith has some credit to be given as the organizer of cinema's grammar, that doesnt mean he invented shit, tho.

Heavy *utism is in the air itt

>>81081528
I feel this could be an interesting topic of discussion with an intelligent, knowledgeable person. Unfortunately, there's only you here.

>>81080854
>>81080943
I wish one day I was as good a user as synt that one I could inspire this much jealousy.

>>81081579
I'm not saying he does no usage of long takes yet what make people know Godard is his jump-cut, go play your videogames and let the adults talk
>>81081528
>gets btfo
>demands an essay as response.

>>81081591
Keep being a deluded faggot and you're on your own way to become a victim of ''''''jealousy'''''''

So this OP is the archivespammer, poster spammer, and Griffith spammer. He read archives dating back years so he could call people with names and doesnt even use the site.

At what point did his life get so fucked that this is his preferred way to spend time?

>>81081580
>Griffith's work is very simillar with europeans from 1905~ tho.
Show me anything coming from Europeans like this in 1905

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvIH0MzPQ14

>>81081528
Bazín said that and died before he could check them ruskies or seen the ressurgeance of montage that godard and the young turks caused.
He also missed iranian new wave and tons of other stuff.

Stop using arguments that were used in 1940 and act like montage didnt evolve

>>81081623
It's truly a pathetic tale. Don't forget he's also obsessed with some niglet and claims to have seen films he obviously never saw.
A sick autistic fraud

>>81081623
I'm here to prove all of you wrong. And I'm here to defend a great American pioneer's legacy that has been tarnished by libshits, niggers, and insolent children.

>>81081605
People only reference that jump cut because it ignored the rules of film editing up until that point. It's an indie experiment. If you want to cite the French New wave directors to pretend you're educated, try Le Beau Serge as an example of the long take and realism in occupied space as professed by Bazin.

>>81081737
Jesus you're delusional

>>81081692
>Stop using arguments that were used in 1940 and act like montage didnt evolve
Montage didn't evolve because Godard's cut in Breathless is just an example of accelerated montage. Montage fundamentally cannot evolve past accelerated, attraction, and parallel. The long take has evolved further than montage in films like Timecode and Russian Ark. Meanwhile in Mad Max, you still see primitive forms of montage that has existed since the 20's, accelerated montage.

>>81081737
>I'm here to prove all of you wrong. And I'm here to defend a great American pioneer's legacy that has been tarnished by libshits, niggers, and insolent children.
Why exactly does the hospital allow you internet access?

>>81081774
I'm not delusional when I have several posts in here shitting on Griffith's legacy
>>81079997
>>81080468
>>81080495
>>81080578
>>81080891
>>81081151

Confirmed for literally a /pol/tard (too).

But still the sickfuck has the hots for little niggers

>>81081851
That's far from the reason why you're delusional. But it's hopeless to expect you would understand. You're mentally ill, after all

>>81081864
Get off my fucking board, /lbg/ and go back to redddit or wherever you came from. According to the archives, fabs is already confirmed reddit.

>>81081914
???
What in hell are you talking about, fucking autistic retard?

>>81081715
Judging by each and every profile I observe, I've seen more films than all of you and am far more well-versed in film history and theory according to your reviews or lack thereof.

>>81081963
You're on my board. GET OFF IT

>>81082008
Kill yourself

You know nothing. You have no value. Every single person here is better than you- and the place is full of idiots.

Is this the most autistic thread in Letterboxd history?

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Undisputed 3 is absolute dtv kino. Ca watch it over and over again and never gets old.

https://letterboxd.com/ihavebadtaste/

>>81082096
Explain (and quote your sources) why you think than police story is better than some older, more chinese, jackie chan movies (like drunken master for example).

>>81082082
I don't know, they all sort of merge into one great big ball of putrid, diseased shit.

>>81082096
yfw bring me your fucking champion

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>>81082008

>>81082096
Dude, Throw Down is so good!

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>>81082121
idk just a personal preference. Police Story is more important to me and for some reason it's always harder for me to get into period piece martial arts movies than contemporary (this is why I've had hard time getting into wuxia despite having respect for the performers). Police Story is just peak Jackie and peak action cinema for me. I will never get tired of it.

>>81082129
BRING DOWN THE WALLS

>>81082121
>why you think than

>>81082190
it really is. shame there isn't a region 2 br of it.

>>81081354
>>81082167
>>81081245
Who created the first art film? Who created the flashback? Who made movies to be considered art? Birth of a Nation still causes controversy today.

>>81082096
>Undisputed 3 is absolute dtv kino
I've heard this, more than once, weirdly. Are the first two worth checking out?

>>81082348
2 is great. First is meh

>>81082327
>first art film
you cant possibily believe that to be true

>>81082348
>>81082257
>>81082167
Who created the first art film. Explain what makes cinema art.

>>81082327
SO THE FUCK WHAT? FUCK OFF

>>81082257
>I've had hard time getting into wuxia
damn sad, you're missing loads of great stunts

I kinda have the opposite reaction where I find most kung fu flicks set in the present more concerned about special effects and environment than fight choregraphy and tend to skip those.

>>81082384
Intolerance was the first art film. It emphasized form and them over plot and isn't an adaptation as there was no script made when it was shot.

>>81082386
No

>>81082386
Are those questions?

>>81069948
I'm watching Master Ninja II:

"You were the worst Bond you know."
and wtf was with the gerbil in the back of the van?

>>81082414
You're stupid. You believe in stupid things, typical of a stupid mind.

>>81082348
yeah absolutely. Part 1 isn't connected to 2 and 3, part 3 is a direct sequel to 2. I saw the sequels before the original and while the original is a pretty decent movie I think the sequels are just much better & more entertaining. All worth a watch for sure, especially 2 and 3 when Boyka is introduced.

>>81082371
That's a shame, I've enjoyed most of the Walter Hill I've seen.

>>81082388
Who created it? Who created the first art film?

What was the first film that utilized techniques exclusive to film to incite immense emotional response

Birth of a Nation was because it was not only the biggest box office success of the silent era, it assembled all known film techniuques at the time to tell a story that brought the resurgence of the Klan in the early 20th century. It also depicts human nature and predicted what is happening today with niggers running loose >>81075442

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>>81082450
cool - I'll give them a look

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>>81082404
>damn sad, you're missing loads of great stunts

oh don't get me wrong I've still watched a shitload of em. Really into King Hu and The Chinese Boxer is one of my favorite martial arts movies.

but I'll take The Streetfighter over anything

>>81082416
Then you're a pleb. You don't know anything about film and don't belong here.

>>81082436
The latter is an order. Explain what makes cinema art.

>>81082547
>>81082257

to be more specific with my preference, I think most (not all, and there's always exceptions) contemporary set martial arts movies take more advantage of the setting (like say in Police Story the mall fight). In period pieces it feels like they're always just fighting outside in the middle of fields or temples.

Go back to reddidt, /lbg/. No one wants you here. You don't belong

>>81082008
>be anon
>stuck in artistic infancy, blabbering endlessly about how montage is inferior to long take.

let me frame your argument so I can straw man it :
>The long take is superior to the montage because it has developed more in the history of cinema.

utterly unimportant which is superior

>Montage has not surpassed its primitive roots in parallel editing, accelerated action, and montage by attraction.

montage has allowed for extreme creativity and developments in narrative structure, symbolism, and editing. Why even try to argue it is stuck in primitive roots?

>The long take is also more realistic than montage insomuch that the actions shown in a production can be recreated in real life which shows cinema's systematic relationship with reality and its ability to snapshot a history of reality in motion.

I think this is your real argument,
long take is more realistic, realistic is better than not realistic, cinema has a systematic relationship with reality, blah blah snapshot of history of reality in motion.

I'm curious about what you think about Kant's epistemology

We do not know reality as it might be “in itself”- apart from how our minds structure
experience of ‘mind-independent reality.’ We do not know ‘noumena.’ We only know reality in terms of how our active minds structure / organize / form our experiences of mind-independent reality. We only know ‘phenomena.’

It seems like you are stuck in some sort of strange world where the camera is actually capturing objective reality, and that our viewing of long take and cinema is somehow portraying the thing-in-itself.

Montage, postmodernism, surrealism, are all tacitly aware of Kant's epistemology, while you are not. No, long take film does not have more of a "systematic relationship with reality," than montage. What are you retarded?

>>81079333
Ask him why is he not on letterboxd and what does he think of PWSA

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>>81082008
BTFO >>81082807

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>>81082807
>utterly unimportant which is superior
It is important which is superior because it is a cataloging of the evolution of film language

>montage has allowed for extreme creativity and developments in narrative structure, symbolism, and editing. Why even try to argue it is stuck in primitive roots?
You purposely ignore the point that montage, in FORM, is stuck in primitive roots in accelerated montage, montage by attraction, and parallel action. Montage fundamentally CANNOT advance past these modes. I've alrady cited that the long take HAS evolved in films such as Russian Ark and Timecode. Montage also lacks complexity. The montage already tells you what to think. With the long take, you have to use more participation as an audience member to assess the mise en scene of the ever-moving image. To focus a film on montage would be a regression, NOT advancement, in film language.

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Our guy

>>81082593
I don't think I like your tone, young man.

>>81083194
PROOF THAT /LBG/ IS REDDDIT

Reddit, get OFF MY BOARD

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>>81083194
Still can't bring myself to watch it.

>>81083170
No, it's not. That's another, among many, of your false equivalencies and comparisons. The cataloging of the evolution of film language doesn't demand to define that either method be superior.

And on the second point, you just expose your- nobody else's- incapabilities to think beside the obvious, so naturally montage triggers you. It's too hard for your brain.

>>81083239
>>81083270
>>81083194
Then fucking leave and go back to REDDDIT

>>81083339
That's it, no more sugar for you.

Hey, piece of shit, I thought you said you were going to destroy, get rid of /lbg/. Looks like it's still here.

Should we wait much longer?

>>81083083

>friendless faggot who stands alone in the corner at parties angry because no ones heard of his pretentious taste/10

>>81083308
>No, it's not. That's another, among many, of your false equivalencies and comparisons.
Yes it is. You only prefer montage because it fundamentally requires less from your brain. It flashes images in front of your eyes like dangling keys and you respond like an easily impressed baby.

>The cataloging of the evolution of film language doesn't demand to define that either method be superior.
The cataloging of language serves to determine which formalistic methods are more complex and are able to be expanded on. You have yet to give an actual well-worded counterargument as to why you prefer montage, so I can safely assume by dangling key analogy is correct and that you're an infant incapable of complex thought.

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>>81083170
the poltard is a brainlet.

rmyt.

>>81083487
Posting pictures of philosophers won't write your counterargument for you. Keep laughing at those dangling keys.

>>81083170
I should have been clearer,
I understand
>Montage fundamentally CANNOT advance past these modes.

i was trying to convey that, montage can allow for scenes/movies/editing that is imbued with abstract meaning. This is the kind of creativity that has been seen in film, and just in postmodernism in general.

examples are things like Breathless, creating a disjointed/fractured feelings with its editing that allows for the audience to pickup on abstract themes that the director was trying to communicate about western postmodern life.

The use of editing to have imbued meaning in it was revolutionary. This to me seems like evolution in film, even though montage is BY DEFINITION, limited. To say that montage is limited and primitive, and tells you what to think, is silly. Montage is bound by the definition of itself, that does not mean that new and creative ways of using it do not occur and are not revolutionary.

Let's think about literature, by definition it is a certain thing. words, meanings, structure. How an author messes with the structure, meanings and words, is what allows for artistic movements and creativity. Think Postmodern american literature, similarily to Godard, they had their own ways of fracturing reality with respects to the form of literature and it works well as Good Art.

>use more participation as an audience member to assess the mise en scene of the ever-moving image

please this is just crap. more participation? Think about use of editing in godard, or antonioni's use of setting to show things about the story or characters. Both Take immense participation from the audience, why even argue that point?

Your argument is as follows,
1. montage is primative because, it tells you what to think and uses less participation.
2.Long take is advanced i.e. Russian ark and timecode
3. Thus long take is better

to me your argument on montage doesn't prove its lack of complexity, and could you explain why those films advance long take?

I'll always be 10 leaps ahead of you, /lbg/.

I'll always be better than you, reddit.

Don't waste your time. You will leave eventually.

I'm leaving now, and I will return at an unannounced time.

>autistic retard now is happy like a dog when after much effort he thought of a shit metaphor to try discrediting the dozens who have btfo his ass on this thread alone

>>81083777
Oh, so little baby will go to the corner to cry now? Bet he will pass hours reeeeeeeeeing to himself about how once again he failed to not get raped on /lbg/ of all places. How can this happen? Daddy said he was so smart.

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>Gator
>The End
>Sharky's Machine
>Stick
>The Maddening

How do you rate him as a director?

>>81083879
cant rape that which enjoys it.

-old indian proverb

>>81083775
>i was trying to convey that, montage can allow for scenes/movies/editing that is imbued with abstract meaning
Abstract meaning can be achieved through the camera movement, focus, and mise en scene.

>examples are things like Breathless, creating a disjointed/fractured feelings with its editing that allows for the audience to pickup on abstract themes that the director was trying to communicate about western postmodern life.
Jump cuts in Breathless didn't invent anything new. It's only a combinative form of accelerated and montage by attraction. Accelerated in pace and attraction through contrast of Jean Seberg's thoughts in mid-conversation. Montage fundamentally evolve past acceleration, attraction, and parallel action.

>or antonioni's use of setting to show things about the story or characters. Both Take immense participation from the audience, why even argue that point?
Now you're contradicting your own counterargument. Sit down, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

And the long take has advanced in Russian Ark in length and its ability to contrast multiple generations of history in its shifting mise en scene

>>81083879
>>81083838
We posted at the same time. When I refreshed the page, I saw your responses. I require sustencance, buffoon.

>>81083992
>>81084021
>"I am leaving"
>doesn't leave
Typical autistic retard proving his spinelessness

>>81083992
it feels bad to not have time to keep arguing, but inevitably you'll still be here another day & time.

It takes too long to write out well thought out criticism, your arguments aren't actually good, but your use of rhetoric and fallacy make it hard to even sit here and have a sincere argument.

>>81084466
what's your profile

>>81084505
>>81078138

>>81084505
post my profile on /lbg/? what are you retarded?

WHAT'S UP FAGS

>>81084466
You thought you would have the last word, but I will always be leaps and bounds ahead of you.

You haven't written a single well-worded counterargument, only beated around the bush and thrown insults. You've even contradicted yourself here >>81083775 defending mise en scene as a method of conveyance.

If it takes you too long to write criticism, then you should actually learn something about film first, jimmy.

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>>81085057
yes you sound like sane person to follow.

>>81085410
He may be sane, but he's not intelligent. Look to me if you want intelligence.

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>>81083429

>>81085469
post profile

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>>81085563
literally me

*farts*

Chicken punks eat the CHICKEN
BAAAAAAAAAAALLS

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>mfw I watch French kino

>tfw you haven't logged anything today

who the heck is neural99

Space Jam

>>81088528
Who?

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>2017 lbg is trying to reason with a unabashed pedophile

>>81089759
If you're talking about that one, I'm not, I just shit on him non-stop

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hi

>>81088528
/our guy/

>>81081096
>He also didnt pioneered realism in film acting and you should stop putting fake info in your posts.
Griffith did. See here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVrDv-4aaNI&t=209s

Look at the acting in his biograph shorts

Next time, know what you're talking about before you try to sound smart.

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>avant-garde
>short form
>nonobjective
>verse-film
>structuralism
>video art

>>81081458
You must be illiterate since you can't use the English to make even a somewhat decent counterargument.

>>81091690
What was the first art film (one that wasn't an adaptation and emphasized form and theme over content) and why

>>81091690
Wow dude you just went Super Smart level 2

The clock's ticking. I don't see a response.

>>81091690
Time's up. Looks like you're an ignorant pleb

>>81092016
Anyone could have told you that lmao

Really, I know it's hard for some of you more indignant, but the best course of action would be to simply ignore (at all times) the autismo's posts and OPs. He's a child, let him scream and just ignore.

>top 300 of 1940
how does he do it

>>81093283
By being a fraud

>>81093283
Address me to my face, baboon.

>>81093481
PUNQ's not a fraud. You're just jealous of him.

>>81093283
by being unemployed or disabled

>>81093589
Why would I be jealous of a fraud? Why would anyone be jealous of a fraud?

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I'm here too

>>81093663
Sorry

>>81093771
It's okay I'm recently unemployed and shit like this happens.

>>81093641
You're jealous that he's smarter than you.

>>81093626
What's the difference

>>81093663
Wow dude you sound super dumb

>>81093798
He's smarter than no one. A mere glance at the content will shows it. A fraud and a simple mind.
No reason for nobody to be jealous.

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willie dynamite was good

Based http://americangenrefilm.com/news/entry/anna-biller-joins-the-agfa-advisory-board

Is this going to replace imdb forums?

>>81094635
What's 'this'?

>>81094610
Did you watch the Biller shorts?

>>81094722
No I never did

maybe this weekend. Did you? Are they good?

>>81094774
I have watched only Three Examples Of Myself As Queen. Fabulous stuff really, so colorful, so happy. I think it's better than The Love Witch. But then again I didn't like the feature as much as I expected.
Unfortunately never found the other ones :(

>>81094604
You don't even write reviews and have barely seen over 1,500 movies, most of them being cartoons.

>>81094917
I like the part where you suppose you know who I am. While in the service of defending a fraud

>>81094885
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/annabillershorts/ They are available to rent here for £3.49 which is presumably $5

DVDrips of all or maybe most of them do seem to be available online if you really hate paying money for things

>>81095058
I really hate paying money for things. It's a bad habit

So we all in agreement now that Griffith invented cinema? And since he did, (and again, he very clearly did. Any other evidence you have needs to be sourced in a well written essay) any personal distaste towards his work is clearly an attack on cinema itself.

>>81095199
No, he did not. Not that he ever needed this stupid title.

>>81095199
Yes
Every single person agrees with you now. it took some doing but you made it, you convinced us.
great job

>>81095199
>>81095265
Kidding of course, please don't think I'm actually that autistic faggot.

>>81095199
>>81095265
It's bout time you baboons learned something.

>>81095409
The autistic brain is something, really. There's a vast, if not complete, lack of self-awareness together with poor understanding of people and language.