flanderisation

what?

>>80626702
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization

>>80626183
It'd be easier to point to a series that run for more than 5 years and didn't fall into the trope.

Always Sunny is a really good example of this as all the main gang has been Flanderized to death

Mac is now openly gay. Dennis is now openly a sociopath. Charlie and Frank are dumber and dirtier than ever. Dee is a literal bird

Scrubs

le meme dwarf

George Constanza no matter what you faggs say. Still a great character though.

The Big Zimbabwe Theory.

It's always particularly bad when a line or bit develops into a catchphrase.

>>80626912
TREBLINKA

>>80626912
Was just thinking of this one

Sheldon is basically a different character from the one in the pilot

>>80626183
Shirley from Community basically had the same character trajectory as Flanders in that she started off as a kind but slightly overbearing Christian then gradually turned into an insane far-right fundamentalist.

adolf hitler.

>>80626957
If we're talking about Community, Pierce and the Dean were Flanderized to hell and back too. So were Troy and Abed. Damn the whole show had the characters fucked.

Hey tv tropes faggot! There is a list of examples at the bottom of the page on those articles.

Tyrion Lannister
Daenerys Targaryen
Brienne of Tarth

>>80626183
I never really understood why it's called 'flanderisation' when Flanders has very little character to begin with and there are still episodes here and there that show that he is more than just christian spouting diddly
But then I never really watched simspons past 10 seasons

>>80627298
Then you wouldn't know. Flanders at first was a normal well to do nice neighbour; he even drank! Then they turned it into him being a far right fundie Creationist.

>>80626183
Joey from Friends

>lady killer who is almost as sarcastic as chandler
>becomes a moron and he LOVES food

>>80627298
He was a foil for Homer: nice neighbor, loving kids, well maintained house, etc. Hell the origin of his fundie depictions have to do with the fact that he and his family diligently go to Church which was a reacurring gag with the early Simpsons with Bart wanting to listen to music and screw around and Homer getting bored at service. They kept the religious elements but removed the context of bart and Homer causing embarressment on Sundays so they made him a zealot.

>>80627588
But then early simpsons had fucking ton of shit like that, which was dropped for other kind of character development
And all this stuff
> nice neighbor, loving kids, well maintained house
Still rings true after the character was made to be hardcore christian

>>80626183
>flanderisation
flanderization

Is there any long running comedy series that doesn't suffers from this?

>>80627700
X-Files

>>80626851
I went back and watched the first season a few weeks ago. He's like a completely different character at the beginning.

>>80627700
If you want a smartass answer, I guess you can say cancelled series, since they never got the chance to

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>>80626183

>>80626939
Sheldon's change could be explained by him surrounding himself with more people and becoming social.

>>80627674
>yank """english"""

Has there ever been a character that was successfully de-flanderized?

>>80626183
every character in the office

I like it when flanderization is explained or justified. Like say in Archer: Cheryl becoming more and more insane is explained that her mental state is deteriorating.

>>80627674
fuck off american

>>80627799
used to be woody allen then slowly became larry david

>>80627907
Han Solo

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>>80627851
Reminder that Steven is supposed to be 14 years old and he still acts like a retarded 7 year old.

>>80627922
Many of the characters on Archer actually became more fleshed out through like season 4. Then they started becoming flanderized. But even Archer himself became more developed into season 6. Only ones who really haven't been fleshed out really well are Lana and Pam. Pam was flanderized really quick, and Lana was always bland.

>>80627168
>>80626957
That's because Dan Harmon is too focused on being meta and self aware. You can only deconstruct your characters so much before they become one note.

Every always sunny character

>>80626802

rewatching the earlier seasons, it's striking how much this has happened.
just having the tone be a lot more 'normal', jokes dont have to be so over the top to be funny or even shocking. if the premise is that the gang is mostly normal, you dont have to rely on crazy shit like the ponderosa wedding to still be funny.

>>80627588
in the early 90s going to church was still seen as a good thing

by the late 90s it was seen as creepy

>>80628075
>Pam was flanderized really quick
Making her addicted to eating cocaine was an awful idea, as well as her increased focus. Started pissing me off and did more harm than good.

>>80628233
Charlie misreading private bathroom as pirate bathroom > any joke in season 11

>>80628075
>>80628285
>did more harm than good.
As in, Pam in story. Felt I was unclear

>>80626183
Peter Griffin might be the worst example outside of Flanders

>>80628285
Her problem was they made her a sex and drug addict who disgusts everyone else in the office and never added much else to her character. She became a caricature and never anything else.

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>>80628285
Frisky Dingo is so much better than Archer in every single way

They even had the same voice actress for Pam playing a totally different character that had a great progression from "kidnap victim" to "incompetent assassin out for revenge"

>>80627922
Yeah good shout.

Archer has actually fleshed out it's characters properly

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>>80626183
Aku got flandersade

>>80628403
>frisky dingo

MAH NIGGA~

>>80628380
Yeah, they have a few more seasons til the show ends, hopefully they'll use some of it to fix up the characters like Pam and Lana

>>80628469
Aku has always been goofy as fuck

>>80628659
In first episodes he was menacing then he got funny in later episodes

>>80628741
Did you miss the ads in the second episode of him goofily advertising food?

>>80628741
He's always been a steady mix of funny/menacing. Obviously in the first couple episodes where he is being established as he antagonist and jack's primary motivation he will lean more towards menacing.

>>80628070
Doesn't he not age because he's half gem?

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>tvtropes

>>80628741
he became a gag character by the third episode and was never again seen as a threat

>>80628741
No, you were probably just young.

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>>80626802

Thats part of it. They are all in hell and they keep getting chances for redemption and it wasnt until the end that Dennis took his shot at redemption.

Thats right... Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia actually takes place in Hell

>>80628982
>never seen as a threat
That's not true. He could be pretty threatening in later episodes too. His aloofness in front of Jack is partly what makes him threatening. He's so powerful he can just toy with him

>>80630352
jack kicked his ass everytime they fought and aku had to flee

hell, jack fought many foes far more powerful than aku, the only reason why they hadn't killed aku yet is because only jack's sword can hurt him

in the samurai jack world aku is pretty low in the power level scale

>>80628070
damn this children's cartoon i watch has weak characterization!!!!

>>80631038
>children's cartoon
keep your uninformed opinions to (you)

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>>80626183
The US office is literally just the UK office but with all the characters flanderized.

>>80631168
>That Toki song about cats

How painful was it to watch?

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>>80631650
I never watched the full series but I saw the final episode and jesus did they flanderize Kevin to hell. He went from being a mildly dopey guy to a full on literal retard.

>>80627168
Pierce was the worst for it. After Season 2 I have no clue why the fuck they even kept him around at all.

>>80627914
12 half-hour episodes isn't really long enough for this to happen though.

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>>80632639
It was worth it for Holly Flax genuinely believing that he was a retard

>>80631650
finished this yesterday

now i feel empty inside

Everyone in dbz

Mark (Becky's bf) on Roseanne

>>80632041
episode partially redeemed by dentist suicide scene but it all goes downhill from there

>hey, check this out

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>>80627879
>Pronouncing the noble zeta the same way you would describe your "flaccid" "piss-poor" "insipid" British "penis"

Real question, is the soft S sound the most degenerate phoneme?

>>80632041
Hamburger Time was catchy as fuck besides he already sang a song about drinking piss and singing fish

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>>80626912

>>80628910
why?

>>80627948
George was always modeled after Larry David though. The last two seasons are a bit more out there though

>>80626183
How I met your mother characters got it hard in the later seasons.

>>80633186
nope, it's the opposite. Dbz is one rare examples of characters evolving and maturing throughout the story without becoming caricatures of themselves, which is even more of a feat considering how long and how popular the series is. I'm obviously not considering GT and everything after

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>>80628741
It's always been implied that Aku was a sort-of "self-serving" evil that was heavily impulsive.

The fact that he flung Jack a thousand or so years into the future is often overlooked.

In the time that's passed, Aku's been alone, aware, ruling with absolute power and most of all, bored and just doing shit for the fucking fun of it while maintaining his rule.

>By the time Jack re-emerged in Aku's future world, Aku's been through roughly 10-15 human lifetimes worth of character developments.

>>80627465
and then Joey the series

A pants shitting retard.

>>80634004
Considering that they made Ted and Lilly go from likable characters to horrible human beings, I cannot think of another show more harmed by it.

>>80626183
Cartman from south park
Hes way funnier in early seasons, as a dumb asshole with a tiny bit of humanity

As a psychopathic genius hes boring

>>80633519
Honestly, /ð/ is the gayest because of the gay lisp association.

married with children. It was actually great in the beginning, with hal and peggy always bantering until one got their feelings hurt and they'd actually make up

>>80628317
that whole episode is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf5uaRmYivY

>>80635493
As entertaining as I found Scott Tenorman Must Die, it absolutely broke his character

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This show never should have been brought back from cancellation

Aside from Peter in Family Guy, easily the most jarring and easy to observe is Modern Family. Every single character can now be boiled down to two or three different traits, and every episode is just different ways those traits are mixed together and stressed.

>>80631650
>american adaptations
Rather have my teeth pulled out. See: The Office, Shamless, Inbetweeners, etc.

>>80634454
this
after throwing jack into the future as a last ditch gambit, and squashing the last remnants of human resistance outside japan over a couple hundred years probably, he's unopposed, unchallenged, and extremely bored. so he ends up fuckin around for a couple thousand years and stays in that malevolent hijinks personality once jack returns
he's lapsing back into the bored now, and he seems desperate for a challenge or even a whiff of jack doing SOMETHING interesting. jack finally gave him an evil purpose after thousands of years, then he just fucks off and aku has to cope with returning to his boring overlord lifestyle again

>>80635930
Exactly what i think

>>80626183
>>80626788
Did Parks and Rec actually reverse flanderize? Season 1 was fairly painful in how obviously that show wished it was le silly and outlandish like The Office. I felt 2 on really pulled them in and made them actual characters over bootleg Office cast.

>>80635493
last few seasons have reversed much of that though

>>80637942
Yes, Tom becomes a lot less obnoxious and Ron stops being such a le epic meme quote guy

>>80637942
What are you talking about? Half of the cast went full meme post season 3, especially Tom.

>>80638346
>>80638406
I think I see both responses as fair. The characters I had in mind definitely reformed but they're mostly the main cast/Leslie.

But yeah a few of the supports were pared down over time for sure.

>>80634004
They aired the first episode again directly before the last one where I am, 'to remind you of the journey'. Funny how the characters were like real people at the beginning, but not at the end.

Same's true for Friends.

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>>80628070
>wow the progressive literal jew has a shitty kids show plot and characterization

who would've guessed, i wonder what other progressive creations have similar qualities?

>>80627922
They were flanderized by like the 6th episode.

>>80638999
if you can imagne, it got FAR worse in the later seasons

don't even get me started on archer vice

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pick any character

>>80639660
Who got it the most?

Who got it the least?

>>80627907
Stan from American Dad

>>80639660
brita was the worst
troy/abed were the least affected, abed because he was super autistic to begin with, troy because he left early

>>80633918
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL65885E08173B69BB

>>80639711

I think Chang had the most radical transformation from incompetent fraud to impossibly surreal cartoon.

Winger is probably the most grounded, since he was always meant to be the outsider looking in.

>>80633831
10/10 reply

>>80639711
>Who got it the most?
Chang. Abed should also be noted for some situations where he does the literal opposite of what he would originally do.
>Who got it the least?
Shirley

>>80639828
>abed were the least affected
KEK. The whole "reeeee" thing when something didn't go his way in the later seasons is the complete opposite of the quiet and empathetic Abed of season 1 and 2.

>>80640291
>KEK.
that's not a sentence, faggot

>>80628275
>>80627643
>>80627588
>>80627327
One of the earliest appearances of Flanders is him calling the reverend at night because he touched somebody else's butt, he was never not a retarded 'flanderised' dude. He started at 11. Flanderisation is a completely stupid term.

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>>80640399
Nice refuting of my central argument.

>>80640503

You have to lay the base before you can erect a structure. Once we get name-calling, ad hominems and responding to tone out of the way, we can start to work towards actually discussing your argument.

>>80631650
Michael was basically flanderized as the first few seasons went on, but they managed to deflanderize him by the end of his episodes and make him a more or less believable human being

>>80639771
huh, thats true. He (like the show) was awful the first season

>>80640709
When does the American Dad get good? Is it season 2 or later?

>>80635555
Thats the "th" in "there" not the lispy "th" in "three". Wrong phoneme m8

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>>80634454

>>80640759
Yeah, when Seth McFarlane leaves the writers to do their thing and any pretense of commentary is dropped.

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>>80628070
> that variation in scale

Lowest contract bidder is by guess

>>80640759
starts getting good around season 3. 6 and on it became pretty great

>>80640803
It really starts at the end of the first season with Aku trying to reach out to the kids. That was really jarring.

>>80640759

When Roger starts having personas, there are a few good ones in season one but season two is where the magic starts.

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>>80640803
new episode was so good

>>80629619
I mean, Philadelphia is a shithole, but not quite hell.

>>80640422
>cites something from the 8th season
>calls it "one of the earliest appearances"

Fo' real

>>80641201
>28 seasons
>the 8th one isn't early stuff

>>80640951
>>80640898
>>80640851
So from what I gather 6+ > 3-5 > 2 >>> 1?

Not /tv/ related

But Goku is probably the worst case

Super has turned him into a complete retard, in early DBZ he is a completely different character

>>80641259
It's not early stuff when most people stopping watching the simpsons after season 9 cause it turned to shit. Season 1-9 is all most people know.

>>80632831
This happened to everybody though. Literally every character in TPB has been flanderized, moreso after Clattenberg left.

>>80639711
Chang the most, went from goofy assholish teacher to literally medically insane vagrant

Least was probably Jeff, Annie, or Troy

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I still don´t know why are they still making episodes of this dead show

>>80639711
>>80640044
tempted to agree but i think he started out as a bit of a cartoon too

britta otoh started out as a totally grounded love interest and ended up being a complete joke of a character

>>80638780
Let's be real here. How could anyone in their right mind disagree with this? Kids can't consent to sex, but somehow they're able to make this kind of decision?

... Oh right, progressives want to make pedophilia legal as well. Case closed.

>>80643215
>progressives want to make pedophilia legal
I didn't know Milo "Finger My Boy Ass After Mass" Yiannopolous was a progressive.

>>80631038
>It's for children so it should be shit!
great ""argument" there bud

>>80643277
He's a gay jew. Of course he's a progressive!

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And it happened within two seasons

>>80633968
Jason didn't know that in the beginning and is doing a Woody Allen impression for 1.5 seasons. Even his voice sounds different.

>>80627168
Jeff even comments in a season 5 ep that they've all become cartoon characters.

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>>80626183

Surprisingly, Always Sunny characters haven't become flanderized that much
They've always been ridiculous fuck ups

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>>80628070
This little faggot is supposed to be in high school but they are treating him like a retard so he doesn't age pic related

>>80645047
don't the fans accept that he has down syndrome or autism?

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>>80640869
you have no fucking idea

the animation is so fucking bad

>>80626802
Charlie got un-flanderized. Started retarded and disgusting. Now he's usually the voice of reason.

>>80631168
at least the animation got better

>>80639811
Lol this really is a lazy piece of shit

>>80626788
Seinfeld

>>80635930
That was a parody of Titus, you mong.

>>80640759
Never

>>80646354
the Christopher titus show?

>>80636275
>The Office, Shamless
two of the best shows since seinfeld?

>>80647064
shameless is pretty shit

>>80647150
Shameless is great, I'm only on the third season I think but I'm really enjoying it so far. What don't you like about it?

>>80626802
i am not sure what happened, but its not good

>>80641201
Lmao it wasn't season 8. it was earlier than that, keep using terms from tvtropes, I guess, you moron

>>80645047
>>80628070
>watching Stephen Universe in the first place

You deserve your suffering.

>>80628070
>this show for toddlers is poorly written
Woah

>>80647402

Yeah, but it doesn't have to be.

Remember Gargoyles?

>>80647530
>there will never be another god tier cartoon villain like Xanatos
the 90s were a different time

>>80641259
It's not early when the argument is that Flanders was Flanderised by season 10, you drooling retard.

>>80647530
>>80647569
does gargoyles hold up still?

>>80645161
What is even happening here?
Like were her (its?) legs inside the body at the start of the shot? Because it looks like they they sprung out like pistons.

Eric and Cory from Boy Meet's World.

>>80649381
it's alright

then again it's one of those "TMNT but with X" type of show

>>80650283
well I mean the 90's animated batman is still good

>>80639711
Least was def Annie

>>80643280
children can't appreciate subtleties though so whats the point, they just want the funny characters and colors

>>80636001
Family Guy and Simpsons are exactly the same in how the main characters got flanderized, except instead of the daughter becoming the liberal mouthpiece it was the dog in Family Guy's case.

>>80627643
Ned bombs an abortion clinic in one of the newer episodes.

>>80628982
>>80630472
Wrong!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgCzKdKH0VY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQgW5izQVU4

>>80626788
southpark?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkd6JkfI4yk

flanderized Cartman would slaughter them all on sight

>>80639711
>Most
Chang obviously but that was just pants on head retarded.

>Least
Shirley because the stopped using her character

Britta and Peirce were hit really hard too. Abed is a totally different character in the end

>>80626745
>taking TV Tropes seriously

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebOriginal/KeitAi

>>80626939
The one in the pilot actually masturbated and liked big butts.

>>80631168
It was weird how they were in Doomstar
I still liked it but whatever

>>80654909
Stop posting that because it's already a thing.

https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139

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>>80654909
FINDS

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>>80654909

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>>80654909
Which one of you autists did this?

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>>80654909
>it has even reached TV Tropes

>>80654909
>>>/a/

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>>80626788
Justified..consistent with its characters and their arcs throughout all 6 seasons..also notable for not having an 'escalation of danger' each new season like many similar shows had (until the 6th and final season atleast, but it made sense to wrap it up that way)

>>80654909
ALWAYS FINDS A WAY BABY

>>80627700
King of the Hill did a pretty good job of not flanderizing characters.

>>80655820
Luanne became borderline retarded, Peggy became the worst mother in sitcom history, and Bobby became Gary Glitter: The Younger Years

>>80641384
but that's wrong. his original character is borderline retarded
he was an uneducated, naive dumbass in DB
only when the plot shifted to be more serious and action-oriented in DBZ did they have him act smarter and more mature
you can accuse DB Super of being inconsistent, but the original Goku is dumb as fuck

>>80655931
But almost all of those those thing we're true at the beginning of the series too.

>>80656137
Too a much lesser degree. Luanne was simple but good-hearted, if White trash. Peggy was eccentric and obnoxious, but not completely devoid of empathy. Bobby was just a goofball and nice boy, he didn't literally act like a girl.

>>80641384
that's toei's fault

in the manga he is pretty normal

>>80656135
the difference is he was a fucking kid in DB up until the end, in Super he is at a point where is one of the strongest warriors around with a shitload of battle experience and training

yet, when confronted about his involvement in universal genocide, all he can say is "LOL UR MAKIN A FUNNY FACE LORD BEERUS XDDD"

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>>80626183
Reminder that this is one of the best examples in recent memory of Flanderization being subverted.

>>80647283
They started letting girls who wrote fan fiction write the show.

>>80627700
Red Dwarf? Pretty much every character stayed the same in personality.

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>>80638780

>>80644958
In Dan's mind, that justifies everything

>>80628070
>when you don't have a shrinking episode, so your entire show is one long shrinking episode

>>80627907
A few characters on Agents of Shield.
Ward started as the generic snarky hero character, and then became one of the main villains, and kept morphing while he was the villain.
Skye started as le quirky hacker chicker and then turned into their main field agent.
Fitz was pretty much just "scientist guy" and has been overall the most badass character on the show due to his willingness to get the shit beaten out of him to protect his friends.

>>80626183

The Office US

everyone

Arnold in Hey Arnold went from a fun loving kid in the first couple of seasons to the city Of Hillwood's chief problem solver later on.
Maybe it's just a phase.
Still my favorite cartoon.

>>80626183
Always sunny. Oh Macs a gay guy now...Classic

>>80658936
Creed stayed consistant

>>80654909
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Awesome/AtopTheFourthWall

>>80640023
Thank you for posting this. Just incredible

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>>80626938
OUR TREBLINKAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.......
IS ALIVEEEEE

>>80657946
If him and Tarantino smashed their giant foreheads together, who would win that contest?

>>80628285
>>80628285
I will choose Pam over Cheryl screentime anytime, though. Cheryl was a tryhard obnoxious cunt, but at least Pam had some heart for the people around her

>that time Archer relaizes Pam is his only friend
>Pam beating the shit of someone

>>80631168
There was this episode where the band goes on vacation to some indian shithole and they are so pampered they beath or eat for weeks. Horrible characterization and lousy writting.

>>80654909
TVTropes is fine for toilet reading or trivia

>>80644997
Bubbles was basically the same from S3 onward
Ricky on the other hand went from a dimwitted drug dealer to a borderline retarded maniac

>>80633186
>>80634396
I think he's referring to Dragon Ball Super, which threw out all the characterization out the door, barring Vegeta and a couple others.

Goku is a literal retard who is willing to destroy the universe for a chance at fighting a stronger person.

>>80643387
The last few seasons of Psych were fucking awful. It's really a shame.

>>80661235
>Psych
Is it worth watching?
I would always see advertisements for it, but never felt compelled to watch.

>>80626183
dunno if anyone said workaholics but workaholics

>>80661266
Yeah, it's a pretty good show. It's nothing too special, but it's got its moments and the humor can be really good at times. I'd recommend watching a few episodes of it just to see if you like it at least. The last few seasons aren't worth your time though.

>>80641259
That wasn't one of Flanders' earliest appearances though, not even close

>>80636001
I disagree. If you don't like it, don't watch it you autistic fuck

>>80628070
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>>80628486
Sucks that Frisky Dingo never got a season 3. I never really liked Archer.

Literally Charlie Kelly, or any of the always sunny characters at this point

>>80633242
or just every character on Roseanne

>>80642328
early spongebob is cartoonkino

In farscape crichton and stark both got crazier over time. With crichton this was a good thing but with stark it was awful. At the start he wasn't even crazy just pretending to be. But then the writers forgot the pretending part.

>>80666533
Stark was just bad in general desu