Transformers 3rd Party General: obscure artbook figures editon

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>MP shit
>legends shit
>fansproject is dead
>no one makes regular CHUG stuff and add ons for official toys anymore except MMC, TFC, and PE

I want the old third party market back

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Gimme dat Triceratops Sideswipe already. I swear if the Dinobot wars killed all interest in dinoformers, there's going to be another mass extinction.

>>6422328
>muh scale
Jesus Christ just buy what looks cool. Why do people care so much about size?

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So was there any release date for this? Will it be cheaper than the original, or are they gonna screw us on the price of nothing more than a deco change with some addons that they've more than recouped their money on for sure by now from the originals alone?

>>6422328
the old 3P market was just as stagnant, at least now there's potential for stuff out of nowhere.

>>6422331
because having a bunch of MP and legends shit slapped in with CHUG stuff looks terrible on a display.

>>6422331
>Why do people care so much about size?

One word: Space. Personally, I live in a tiny, shitty apartment. I can't even put shelving up on the walls per the renters agreements. So I'm stuck with some book shelves or whatever I can bring on in. Other people have limited space, even if they own a house: Children, spouses, etc, all demand their own spots for things, and you can't just line a wall with a hundred 'bots when 2-5 of them take up an entire shelf unless you put them in stock, legs straight, arms at side, boring shit poses, when everything is fuckhuge MP sized stuff.

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>>6422328
>TLK Voyager Megatron and Optimus would be perfect with new heads that had optional masks and wrist jointed arms.
>We'll never get them
>Only other option is weijang overhuge KOs with meme metal parts

Is there really that little room for retail upgrades? Is the cost just too high for customers?

>>6422346
>XTrans will be pure shit
>but $40/pop
>the first somewhat afforable 3P combiner next to TFC's Roadcaeser, and RC is only affordable because he's only going to be 3 fucking pieces

Fuck I hope they're at least solid. Thats all they need to do. Not crumble, or break. But of course

>XTB is just KFC under a different logo
>and $40

The plastic will be made of fucking wafers, won't it? It'll literally dissolve under a droplet of water.

>>6422349
KFC has been improving but this being their first combiner makes things even more worrisome. I love what DX9 is doing with theirs so far but, feel like the individual figures will be too big. Or maybe the Takara cars are too small.

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>>6422328
As someone who doesn't collect MP scale this was kinda boring, but I can at least appreciate the non-cartoon accurate 3PMPs. Legends stuff is cool shit, but I don't have any of them asides from Iron Factory's Scorponok. Bruticus looks tempting though.

The lack of variety though is a problem though. Outside of MMC no one's really doing non MP/Legends stuff anymore, and even then there's the lack of non-G1/Comics content out there. Sure we're getting Generation Toy's Baeast line and Maketoy's Galaxy Force Starscream, but there's still jack shit out there. Where's the love for weird shit like G2, RID, and the Unicron Trilogy?

>>6422345
>OS scale
Man, I don't mind the MP scale too much but fuck Weijiang's 'only fuck hueg figures that can't scale with anything but themselves lol' mentality

I want a Neoarts KO MP Megatron

I'm just super happy for the FT/PF Cyclonus. Those accessories are awesome and he looks pretty much perfect.

The MMC DJD pet is neat and so are their bigger cassettebots, but eh.

TFC Abominus could be good if he's like their seacons. But I only like a couple of them and don't have much interest in the combiner itself, unlike how I feel about Pirhanacon

>>6422371
I'm waiting for someone to do Armada Prime + trailer for super mode
Be it Takara or 3rd Party

>>6422342
>children, spouses
just because you're wives kids are brats doesn't mean you can't get what you want

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No surprise, but confirmation that War Giant can hold Bridge Watcher.

>>6422328
We still have Maketoys, right, anon? Right?..

>>6422470
>those fugly cross dimension toys with le """""cybertronian""""" alt modes

nope

>>6422474
The insanely popular ones you mean? Those?

>>6422450
As much as one could call it "holding." It looks a bit silly, but after having finally scene the set, I'm definitely in (before it was just "probably definitely").

>>6422481
yes. not surprised they're insanely popular considering people who buy 3P toys usually have incredibly shit taste.

>>6422487
Guess that's why you're here.

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I really want this.

Bad.

It just looks so much fun.

>>6422492

They chose a really nice yellow for'em. Wonder if he'll be a two pack with Sideswipe or if they'll do'em separately?

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So overall thoughts on TFcon? Gotta say this was surprisingly dull. My hypes going to be super low for the second one in Oct.

>>6422491
I don't buy third party toys.

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>>6422499

>>6422501
It's not my fault you like ugly looking figures.

>>6422502
Post a good looking figure then.

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>>6422494
I dunno. I just hope we get G2 Sideswipe.

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>>6422504

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>>6422518
>that kibbletastic toy
>good
Holy fuck the hastak delusion is real

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>>6422518
What's that thing in his hand?

>>6422522
If having kibble means he can turn into an actual truck instead of a shitty """""""""""""cybertronian""""""""""""" truck then it's good.

>>6422523
a gun.

Alright, you fags quit responding to obvious fucking bait, and answer a real question: How is the GT IDW Optimus? I know that one by the other company was a fragile piece of shit, but how is the GT one? Is it solid? Any problems with it? How's the articulation, is it robust, or did they fuck something up with it?

>>6422492
>>6422494
>>6422510

I hope they have more earth mode cars and vehicles on the way.

The pocket-verse needs more.

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>>6422543
>How is the GT IDW Optimus?

worse than TW Orion.

Why the fuck didn'y MMC show off their version of Helex. It's already in the full color render phase, it should have been ready for this show as at least a production sample. Is it not happening like some were speculating?

>>6422554

Dude, they're making the fucking PET of all things. A retarded robot dog. There is no way Helex isn't happening if they're putting that thing out, because thats like, the last thing on anyones mind that would ever get a figure.

MMC is typically slow as shit, don't worry.

>>6422357
>KFC has been improving
People keep saying this and yet there's issues with every release.

>>6422523
>>6422522
>Being THIS contrarian
Most agree that Classics Prime is still one of the best looking iterations of him even despite his kibble. It shows it's age, sure, but it still holds up reasonably well. Hell, even among third party collectors, there are still plenty of people who like this guy as well as other HasTak offerings as well as or even better than some of their third party counterparts (Springer comes to mind). Honestly, aside from the arm kibble and lack of ankle rockers, you can't even say he's poorly articulated seeing as how there are still plenty of highly regarded MP scale third party figures being released to this day that can only pull of 90 degree elbow/knee bends and folks are still totally cool with that.

Hasbro may be fucking trash now because of their insistence on cheap plastic, shit QC, and oftentimes oversimplified engineering for $16+ a pop but there was a time when they did good work and Classics Prime was from that time.

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>>6422538
Did that gun come with the figure?

>>6422571
nope

i'm talking about the figure itself, not the gun.

>>6422567
>classics prime
>good
Pick one officialcuck

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Let's talk about SATAN and how there was no God Neptune reveal instead.

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Speaking of Classics Prime, I got to mess around with JJ01 Supreme Leader (bka KO OS Classics Prime) at TFCon, and besides the loose thigh swivels, he's pretty much everything I could hope for..

.. except for the head sculpt. I really, really don't like it. It's almost Panty/Stocking parody levels of off. Is there any chance of another head with wider eyes, maybe? Should I just stop being a pussy and pull the trigger?

>>6422583
i'd rather wait for a unite warriors abominus.

>>6422585

Or should I just get PE Beast Goriria

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MMC's remold obsession rears it's ugly head twice at TFCon.

This and that Bulkhead look terrible

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I can't get over how well executed and accurate this is. Those drawings really seem to have figured out the whole transformation, rather than just slapping on a few shared elements between modes.

>>6422598
What sucks is I love the design on this, and if they fix what was fucky about Tarn, I'd probably get it, but uh...

Red, gold, blue, white, and teal on the same figure make Poseidon look like a coherent figure by comparison.

>>6422561

They're gonna retool the pet into Ravage!

>>6422583

I've really got no interest in them as a combiner, but Rippersnapper and Hun-Grr might be cool.

>>6422603

Well that's his colors. They didn't have much choice in that. And it looks like his shoulders don't interfere.

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>>6422603

They don't call him ThunderCLASH for nothing amirite?

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FUCKING
WHY
i spend an hour trying to take the end off and SOME FUCKWAD DECIDED TO PAINT THE PEG CHROME

Is there a customer service email or something i can contact?

>>6422600
Oh god my dick.

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>>6422311
I hope these do well enough for them to make Owlwave

>>6422583
Not Rippersnapper looks like it's gonna be a retool of Cyberjaw/Overbite. Wonder if any of the NotTerrorcons are gonna be retools of Poseidon members.

>>6422636
what is this to? I don't recognize the part. Looks like you ham handed plastic that wasn't meant to be removed m8.

>>6422647
Looks like a piece from Terrageis Rally. Ocular Max line has had some Keith level QC so I wouldn't blame that anon.

>>6422583
I like that Cutthroat is an arm because it's the superior look.

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>>6422647
I wasn't ham-handing it, i spent way to long slowly trying to remove the end of the gun from the peg so I could put it into the hand cover

The end is supposed to come off the peg, not take the peg with it

Ocular max made it, do they have a customer service email or something?

>>6422658
http://www.mastermind-creations.com/support.html

>>6422658
>>6422636

Lmfao you didn't watch the review video nigga? He specifically said that that part is delicate and you should pull it straight out and not twist it

>>6422600
Wish the guns were a bigger and torso and legs were more katoki, but overall much better than the MP.

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>>6422662
I was pulling it straight out
>>6422658
Circled the part that's supposed to come out, along with adding the parts of the instructions that show how the seperate parts get re-attached in robot mode

>>6422658
OH I see how it goes together now. Much better angle there. Yeah, who the fuck painted the peg? MMC is going way down hill lately.

>>6422644
>oh a beast Soundwave
>WAIT A SECOND NIGGER
>THATS CYBERTRON SOUNDWAVE
There is a great need in my heart.

>>6422600
I really hope these aren't going to be MP-scale. This guy would make a nice CHUG Primal, especially if those rumors that the BW Primal in the Power of the Primes BW toys are just gonna be retools are true.

>>6422661
>>6422678
MMC? But on the box it says it's made by ocluar max?

>>6422683
I was hoping for an MP substitute, but something to go with MT Cross Dimensions would be nice.

>>6422684
>Doesn't know Ocular max is owned, ran by, and designed by MMC

>>6422684
Ocular Max is MMC
X-Transbots is KFC
DX9 is Unique Toys

>>6422689
dont forget that Fansproject is Maketoys, and that the reason Fansproject poofed is because maketoys realized they can sell OC designs like Striker Manus without a moniker name like Fansproject.

>>6422687
>>6422689
>>6422693
apologies, this is my first step into 3p TFs.

>>6422694
don't sweat it. You'll find that companies are often all the same group at the end of the day. Right now their are rumors that Toyworld is also behind the BB7/Yes-Model KO company but we have heard nothing about that officially. Buy what you like, it's just good to know who is who if you need to contact the company (not the seller) for parts. 9/10 times though your seller will have spares.

>>6422693
Is that true? I assumed it was shared designers. Like Mech Ideas and MMC.

More speculations
Generation Toy is Warbotron?
KFC is iGear?

>>6422311
Oh shit, these have my attention. How is GT's shit other than their combiners?

>>6422702
KFC is not iGear.

iGear was their own company and they died out. The same owner then started Toyworld which is now dying. The guy is a douchebag.

Generation Toy is 100% Warbotron though.

I watch almost all of Skullface's reviews, and over time he talks a little here and there about companies because many send him stuff directly. He lets slip who is who else sometimes.

>>6422702
Look at Intimidator amd Quantron and tell me they weren't done by the same people.

>>6422709
Yeah, shared designers. Is it the same owner though?

>>6422698
but the figure in question is a convention exclusive, would they really make spare parts for it?

>>6422694

Sorry to hear you've having problems, but contact MMC right away. Ocular Max is a label under MMC for their more traditional MP line, by the way.

>>6422707
>I watch almost all of Skullface's reviews, and over time he talks a little here and there about companies because many send him stuff directly. He lets slip who is who else sometimes.

Quite a few people who talk about 3P's have singled out that a lot of these companies are owned by the same people. And it makes sense, how many rich as fuck, factory dealing/owning people who want to make "knockoff" Transformers can there be? Because this stuff takes serious cash. Molds are retardedly expensive, and quality plastic/paint/big parts counts/etc eat up money, as does bribing factories to not fuck your product up because the factory sabotaging your product is a massive problem in asian countries.

>>6422712

Probably. Theres always some leftover parts because not every part gets used. Now go contact them.

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>>6422603
Blame the dayglo era of G1. All they're doing is keeping it accurate to his original color scheme.

>>6422728
MP scale Machine Wars Starscream fucking when

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>>6422717
>>6422719
Contacted MMC about it, thanks.

On a better note, I was able to safely separate the second gun, so I immediately sanded the fuck out of the peg, the arm attachment, and the other piece(?) so that now i can easily, effortlessly unattach and reattach the parts to eachother.

>>6422728
>>6422733
I'd love a 3P Skyquake that won't disintegrate in my hands.

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>>6422740

>>6422744
Fuck he looks good

>>6422749
they should still have a few if you're going tomorrow

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This was the other 3pTF i picked up today.
And before you say anything about it being
>kfc
It was only $15

>>6422759
Do people normally hate KFC?

>>6422762
Yes, they're terrible.

>>6422763
Oh. I wonder why.

>>6422762
not too sure, I've just seen a lot of anons here frequently throw shit their way

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>waist swivel

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>>6422769
>those decals

>>6422765

Terrible quality. Shit paint quality, shit plastic quality, shit durability. You name it, KFC can fuck it up. Parts too tight, parts not tight enough, every figure, every time. They're produced maybe-MAYBE-One or two figures that aren't complete trash straight out of the box.

tl;dr Avoid anything by KFC.

>>6422769
>>6422775
Just keep in truk mode. AWESOME truck mode

>>6422769
>>6422775

So who is this supposed to be? I don't recognize "yellow Trailbreaker" as a character. Is it a Diaclone homage or something?

Gotta say that I was happy with tfcon this time around. Not as many announcements as last time from Iron Factory but we got two darkhorses that no one saw coming that look ready to ship, so no complaints here. War Giant is THICC and I can get behind that ;)

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>>6422791
Yep, diaclone repaint
"Terraegis Rally"

I hope this image isn't too /tfg for this thread

>>6422644
GET IN THE GUNDAM HEERO

>>6422346
Nothing kills my boner faster than G1 cartoon model comparisons. Only autists care about that shit.

>>6422794
>ut we got two darkhorses that no one saw coming that look ready to ship,

Which were those?

>>6422510
Legends class Wheeljack when?

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>no IF DJD
>no tiny cutie Nickel
>no mtmte version Whirl
>no updates on that beautiful G1 style MP Starscream

Well...there's always next year...right?

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>>6422812
Where the FUCK is my Maketoys Starscream

>>6422880

It is weird there was no MT presence here. Is there more stuff being shown tomorrow, or did MT just say "Fuck it", and not bother to show a fucking thing?

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>>6422769
>>6422775
>>6422796

>>6422889

that actually looks really good

>>6422896
>fresh new toy
>now with "left on a toy collectors shelf for 5 years and never dusted" paint job

Yeah...No thanks.

>>6422900

anon, some of us do like something called weathering.

>>6422510
I'm just stoked for little lambros. I have a KO of G2 sideswipe but can't afford G1 or the new sunstreaker. I like legends size better anyway

>>6422900
>Doesn't like mud on his rally car
Okay idiot

>>6422913
Awwwww fuck yeah thank you.

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>>6422808

>>6422759
you STILL paid too much!

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>>6422927
>fake hood AND fake roof chests

>>6422932
Well, fortunately, you are not the target market, weirdo.

>>6422887
It is not weird at all. MT never attended any American event, instead they asked FP to show their samples for them. And since FP is dead...

>>6422932

What are you talking about.

Blazedash's hood is his chest and the roof would be on his back.

While Boltrunner's car hood are his feet and his weird chest is in car mode too.

>>6422551

Having both, I respectfully disagree. Op.Ex. looks better, feels better and is easier to transform than Orion.

And he completely blows away Ultra Maxmas.

>>6422583

I hate how they assume Rippersnapper is a shark. He's not, he's a primitive amphibian. Like an Eryops.

...I think.

>>6422600

Nice-looking but absurd. Either it's Cybertron mode, then why look like a gorilla? Or it's Earth-mode, but then where is the organic shell?

>>6422603

That's what he looks like. >>shrug<<

>>6422728

Ah, the age before ball joints...
Skyquake's articulation is an utter disgrace.
It's cute how he absolutely towers over his counterpart though.

>>6422583
>those emaciated looking robot modes
>no dragon head feet for Not-Hun-Gurr

Barf.

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>>6422913
>That jet thinness

>>6422759
for $15, that is one of the rare good enough ones, you did fine for a blaster bot.

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This last year I've started collecting a decent amount of 3P Transformers but one thing I'm finding is they don't have enough extras, specifically weapons.

Is there anywhere that focuses on selling third party weapons for masterpiece and chug scale figures? I just want lots of guns for my Transformers.

I do love me some Beasties, and these designs look very imaginative.

I've been focusing on building a Master Force collection tho, and with four of the Godmaster getting 3P toys in the next year or so, including the two largest, I'll probably be using my toy budget for those. Especially if I decide to double dip and grab a few of the TR/PotP Master Force characters as well.

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He's looking better all the time.

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The truck is the most improved. Looks much more solid and cohesive.

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To think this monstrosity is going to be 14" tall before godbomber is even in the picture.

>>6423055

his legs don't look fully extended and whoever posed him needs a slap.

Does it look like the power master sits further back now?

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>Someone is working on an addon to make Striler Manus a CW torso bot
Why? I mean, it's a weird cool concept, but why?

>>6423063
CW Motormaster/Prime is just THAT bad of a torso bot

>>6423063

As random as it is, fuck that's actually super cool.

>>6423057
A lot of the cab is completely redone. I think the enhanced bulk of it means the pm looks more integrated.

>>6422913
so is that starscream unable to look up or are they hiding the face?

>haven't checked on 3Ps in a while
>Menasor War was declared

I've waited too fucking long for this, we better get some quality shit

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>>6423063
This is one of those things you never knew you wanted until it happens. THEN YOU NEED IT!

>>6423063

Welp.

>>6423063

...So this is a fourth party now.

>>6423152

Nag, third party still, fourth party is weijiang mech fans toys or kbb.

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>210 dollarydoos for IF Bruticus

I can get UW Baldigus + a PE Hands/Feet set for that money, you fuckers

>>6423169
>I can buy cheap wallmart shit and some turd polish for the same price as actually quality products!

No shit.

>>6423174
>actually prefering some chink shit than a superior takara product
Uh, does this guy even know that TAKARA ALWAYS WINS?

>>6423174
>Ruination
>shit
DELET THIS

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>>6423169

Wait, what? Why is it so fucking much? Their Dynobots were only like, $150 weren't they? Are these even bigger than the Dyno's, or is IF just getting a bit too greedy?

Shit, the only other Legends combiner I know of, DX9's Hulie, was only $150, and it was 6 figures, not 5.

>>6423216
>better plastic
>better articulation
>frequently higher parts count
>freqently higher paint application
>Takara still haven't figured out how to paint figures without it shedding even on MPs

REE IT'S STILL BETTER I HAVE NO ARGUMENT REEE

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The repaint potential for this series is going to be fun

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>>6423263
I would pre-order the FUCK outta that, no questions asked.

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>>6423263
GT is nearing some serious gold b

>>6423164

No no, this is a company making add-on parts for a third party product. Fourth party, then.

>>6423314
>Lockdown
>not a spider, or other animal known for traps or ensnaring

One fucking job.

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>>6422880

>>6423314
>>6423353
>Lockdown
>Is a tiger because "LOL XD HE HUNTS TIHNGS"
god damn it, GT.
One job

>>6423063
Oh shit, this could be good if it actually holds together well. Just give it to me in Noir's colors so I can go full edgelordicus maximus.

>>6423353
>>6423384

But he is a hunter. Not a trapper. He stalks his prey.

>>6423421
>Lockdown
>literally a bounty hunter

What is half the job of a bounty hunter? I'll give you a hint: Capturing someone and bringing them in. Which is usually more of the job than finding them, because you need to keep the retard under control and cuffed.

>>6423382
How tall is he?

>>6423384
correct me if I'm wrong but aren't these not even GT's original designs? Like aren't they some just some Japanese dude's fanart?

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>>6423263

Also mocked this up and now I need it.

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guess maketoys showed up to tfcon after all

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>>6423475

Nice to see someone FINALLY replace that fucking awful official Seeker mold. So when can we expect the rainbow brigade to begin falling from the sky? Because you can't tell me this thing isn't going to see at least 2 redeco's as Skywarp and Thundercracker, plus 3 remolds into Dirge/Thrust/Ramjet, plus whatever else they can sneak in from the rainbow procession of "Collect'em all!".

>>6423457

Yeah, GT is just basing the designs on the dude's work.

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Fuck he looks amazing.

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>>6423488

>>6423488
>>6423491
Lots of detail points, that's for sure.

>>6423488
>another sixshot that's worse than the official takara one

Well at least it's better than DX9 Hanzo.

>>6423488
>>6423491
>GCreation hexachanger

What could go wrong

>>6422644

Where are these pictures from?

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Have you ever had that burning desire to use Striker Manus as a torso for Combiner wars? No? Well now you can. Because reasons.


>>6423518

An artist made a bunch of drawling for an art book for fun and GT is doing something with them. Though it looks like the original artist is buttblasted over it, namely because of how it disrupts the nature of selling small fanworks in Japan and he's covering his ass. It was linked last thread.

>>6422932
Iron Factory has never been good at vehicles, this is a much better effort

>>6423382
Gorgeous, but again with a hard to see face

>>6423475
Good god that is so fucking bland. I'll take the rickety old seeker mold over this because at least it actually has detail. Fucking sunbow wank.

>>6423527

Is it downloadable anywhere? There seems to be a distinct lack of decepticons in the few scans in the previous thread.

>>6423578
From g.e- you'll find it at /g/945314/0b7c1d59d5/

>>6423527
Wasn't that artbook done by multiple artists?

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>>6423458

One more because I'm feeling like a bit of a mad man today

>>6422991

Google Goblin Shark. Rippersnapper looks like one with arms and legs.

>>6423587

get those extra joints and poseability OUTTA MY SENTAI

>>6423483
>someday we'll find it
>the rainbow procession
>the seekers, the coneheads, and me

>>6422311
Curious as to how big these figures would be. Would they go with the usual Leader class size?

>>6422991
>Nice-looking but absurd. Either it's Cybertron mode, then why look like a gorilla? Or it's Earth-mode, but then where is the organic shell?
I mean transformers are already an absurd concept as it is. It's also not like the ability to transform is inherently for the sake of disguise seeing as there's no reason for them to hide on their own planet. Plus, beast-formers just exist on Cybertron with characters like the Predacons and Seacons do really, what makes these more nonsensical than any of the already existing characters?

Just take them for what they are. Cool looking beast bots that transform into cool looking robots. Trying to factor logic into an already illogical franchise is pretty pointless.

>>6422991
>Questions a line of figures having Cybertronian beast alt modes in the same post complaining that another figure of a Cybertronian beast bot isn't the correct Cybertronian animal
Huh?

>>6423475
Completely lost me on the deco

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bless their bones.

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Pick related soon.

>Expected Delivery Day: Thursday, July 20, 2017
First two even sooner. I have problems.

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>>6423587
Ok fuck it I made one more.

>>6423769
That apparently is a floppy mess not worth the $130 they were asking.

>>6423063
I'm almost be tempted by this for the replacement feet alone.

>>6422717
>Molds are retardedly expensive

Were you in Aaron Archer's panel in TFcon? He actually talked about it. The cost to make Metroplex's mold was about $300,000 and people wonder why 3ps are expensive.

>>6423778

Holy shit, are places really gonna have him in already? I thought he wasn't due until like, next month?

>>6423812
They were bringing / shipping test copies just before the con, and I figure it's not going to be like Susanoo, so within the next month / before September.

Semi-related, shipping direct from them in Hong Kong went a lot quicker than I was expecting (departed the 14th, arrived in ICS SF today). Hopefully it makes it quicker than Thursday.

>>6423817
holy fuck that looks ugly. The Takara one genuinely looks better because at least that one doesn't look like an obese box with limbs.

>>6423804
>and people wonder why 3ps are expensive.

It's starting to be the other way around lately. Have you seen MP Sunstreaker's price? It's like Takara's trying to get as expensive as 3Ps

>>6423063
Do... Do I need this?

>>6423527
Will be there be a set for Noir as well?

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Let's talk about this figure that officially is not yet out that is quite solid but the face kinda destroys the whole thing.

I'm already expecting head replacement parts for this in the coming months.

>>6423846
>still goes sideways

What the actual fuck? I changed the size and took the picture again.

>>6423848
Digital spite. Do we have any idea who the people behind Open Play are?

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>>6423846
Everything looks good but the face.

>>6423852
I heard from people there that its a joint venture by Maketoys and Unique Toys to see if they can lower the cost of 3p MPs

>>6423861
Interesting hypothesis, considering Unique Toys already has Allen. And BBTS has Allen for a re-stock pre-order for $60.

>>6423869
The plastic quality is exactly like Unique toys to be honest. From how matte and grainy it is to how thick it feels. As for aesthetics it has the Maketoys face and the general feel of their stylized transformation that is not stupidly hard but has a lot of folding parts still.

>>6423564
Good, enjoy your generic jet robot toy. Some people want a Masterpiece Starscream.

>>6423880
You said about trying to lower costs, so where does he fit in, price-wise?

>>6422805
only autists buy collector toys.

>>6423888
Mid range I guess? Or pretty cheap for his size? He is really solid but the face is really ugly. $90 is a really good price considering his size is usually easily around $180~200.

>>6423833

i do not fucking understand the price jump. From about $50 USD for guys like Sideswipe and Prowl when they came out and now Sunstreaker is $110 USD? What the fuck happened?

>>6423918
Hasblow realized that people will pay stupid value for their plastic crack also the added tooling doesn't help I guess.

>>6423918

Economy in Japan went right down the shitter. Everything got more expensive. Figma's jumped from accessory laden $40 figures to $90 figures that you're lucky you get extra hands with, nevermind actual accessories, for example. Only ones who've kept prices somewhat reasonable has been SHF and sometimes Revoltech.

>>6423918
>needlessly complex to achieve much perfect proportions
>include a metric shitton of boxwarming accessories
>douse everything in paint
>brand markup

I'm exceptionally frustrated by the paint part, though, considering Takara doesn't design their clearances with paint in mind at all. I can say with complete certainty that MP Sunstreaker won't survive a single transformation without shedding yellow flakes like a cat

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>>6422311
What the fuck apparently it's being reported on facebook that GT is cancelling this series after yesterday's reveal. The dude who did the original artwork is either starting or reacting to drama on Twitter from a bunch of IP white knights or something.

I want my beast mecha G1 toys :/

>>6423934
>douse everything in paint
Still don't understand this retarded fear of paint. MPs were always "doused in paint" to the same degree, more or less. The paint isn't the problem, it's that Takara is cheaping out on it and the engineering is a clusterfuck. Although recently I got Artfire. He's covered in paint, he's gorgeous, and his clearances are perfect. I transform him all the time and nary a scratch on him.

Even figures like Ironhide are pretty intricate, but the paint on mine is still in top shape. On the flip side, I've heard that Ratchet scratches his own paint to shit pretty quickly. It all goes to show that Takara just needs to use better paint. Unpainted plastic is ugly as fuck. Paint is part of what makes MP releases look good. That's why Laserwave looks like cheap garbage.

>>6423846
That's trash. Partly because of the retarded cartoon accuracy, and partly because of the terrible face. Springer works best as non-g1 accurate.

>>6423948
>IP drama
>in China

How is this even an issue? China's IP laws are looser than the average porn star's asshole. A billion dollar company like Hasbro couldn't even be bothered to try anything, what does that artist think he can do?

>>6423958
It's only a problem for me because of how inconsistent Takara is with their paint quality. I absolutely love the look of my Inferno, but my Grapple looks like ass in vehicle mode because Takara's yellow paint is awful and there are a lot of tight hinges in the crane transformation that no longer have paint on them.

>>6423965
Have you handled it personally? As a toy it looks really nice. The face is really the only thing I hate about it besides that I never owned a G1 Springer nor watched the season 3 of the cartoons. My only real encounter of the character is from the 1986 movie and learning about the character from buying the Generations Voyager a while back.

So if you think about it, I'm quite unbiased when I say it is a solid figure. The face even for somebody like me who isn't fully invested about the character's characteristics can tell how shit the face is.

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>>6423978

From what I gather he may have originally given GT his blessing, but then rescinded it after he got ass blasted over Twitter yesterday. So now its the awkward thing of the guy changing his mind, but GT technically never needed his permission anyway.

>>6423948
daimchoc seems to think it's bullshit and that dude knows everything about 3P so I'm not worried about them being cancelled.

>>6423948
Seems like bullshit, unless they plan to cease production on anything TF related. Shit, isn't that artbook unofficial in the first place?

>>6424022
>>6424022
It's a gray area in Japan. But these types of artbooks has the unofficial approval of the rights holders.

>>6423804
To be fair, it's pretty common knowledge at this point why third party figures are so expensive. Smaller companies don't have the access to the same massive factories so they can't produce as many figures to offset the cost of developing them. HasTak does and they stick with simpler engineering, fewer paint apps, and in Hasbro's case, cheaper plastics do they can drop retail prices quite a bit. If third parties were producing figures of the same caliber as Takara TR figures, they'd still probably be double the price.

>>6423833
>It's like Takara's trying to get as expensive as 3Ps
Pretty much because they see us all paying those third party prices and thinking "oh, well if they're willing to pay that much, we must have been undercharging for ours!" That or it's their way of trying to punish us for our disloyalty in buying bootlegs lol

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>>6423562

>>6423822
>this bargin bin childs toy looks better than the quality high budget mp

While I respectfully disagree I can't genuinely tell if you're shitposting or not. There's so many shitposters comparing 20 usd hastak trash to genuinely great 3p pieces I can't even tell anymore.

>>6424054
Looks like crap.

>>6423948
>>6423998
Source on all of this? I don't see anything on GT's Facebook (Haven't posted in a year) and I don't know who the artist is or any of these supposedly in-the-know purple who would be reporting on this kind of stuff.

>>6424070
God Ginrai is one of the ugliest pieces in the Legends/Titans Return line.

>>6423778
Not as good as the Titans Return version.

>>6424072
and that 3P powermaster prime is even uglier.

>>6424054
>that face sculpt

JUST

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>>6424054
I would genuinely take the MP-11 mold over this bland shit. With both Takara and 3Ps going full-retard on cartoon accuracy, it seems the only way to avoid shitty, under-detailed figures is to buy characters that just weren't in the cartoon so there's no shitty Korean drawings to base them on.

G2 Prime, here I come.

>>6423778

I shouldn't want this.

But I do.

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Is Sovereign sold out everywhere?

>>6424054
>>6423382
>>6423475

Its so technically impressive, but boring. I feel like they should've gotten a proper artist, like a guido Guidi type that can balance detail and cartooniness, to go over it and give it more character. I amy buy it just because I like starscream, but I'm not sure if I can do a whole seeker trio or more after MP-11.

I feel so jaded, I should be impressed, but its just..there.

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>>6423813
>>6423817
Twice the size, triple the parts, and it looks like a beer bellied grandpa. They ruined his crotch and still couldn't give it a waist swivel. Also looks like he has a pretty big backpack.

I'd hate to see this guy with a godbomber strapped to him.

>>6424054
>>6424073
What a disappointment

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Posers need to make way for best PMOP/GodGinrai.

>>6424078
There is no TR Grotusqe retard.

>>6424107
It's still a huge engineering advancement from mp 11.

>>6424086
>goes to 3p thread
>hastak is better!
>not a troll

Ok

>>6424115
Definitely, but it's better engineering in service of one of the blandest decos I've seen on a toy.

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>>6424103
Unfortunately the money right now is in boring as fuck toon designs.

Look at all the whining going on in the Fans Toys Cyclonus thread on TFW that they dared to make him look better than the awful 80's animation and gave him some optional parts for an IDW look.

>>6424122
This. MP-11 is an antique in terms of engineering now. I wouldn't think it hard to do better. That said, MP-11 looks a ton better because it came from a time where toy designers weren't infected by retardation.

>>6424134
>Look at all the whining going on in the Fans Toys Cyclonus thread on TFW
I'll take your word for it, thanks.

>>6424090
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu9lg2YGklU

You do want it.

>>6424110
I am both surprised and delighted hat Thunder Erebus is getting released ahead of Thunder Manus coming up here in August.

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>>6424134
Can't even do better than an old as fuck classics toy. Very sad.

>>6424141
MP-11 looks better to me due to the amount of detailing on it. Sure it's not amazing, but I like seeing details where possible. It's going for the early MP rebirth of cartoony realistic.

>>6424134

Seriously. He looks fucking amazing.

But people in there: he's not tall enough, he's taller than Sovreign but not by ENOUGH. Scalefags, cartoon accuracy fags to the point of nonsense, people bitching about the OPTIONAL IDW parts as if they have to use them.

Too cartoon accurate and shit looks terrible. See: MP Inferno, and likely even that Maketoys Starscream up there. Bunch of bland boxes unfortunately.

TF fans are the fucking worst.

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I want to wait and see how dx9 turns out but, this set just looks so good.

>>6424173
I've seen complaints on the facebook group about his posing, maybe it'll be better once it's fully assembled. Namely in the leg regions.

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>>6424147
>delet this

>>6424102
Yes. Except a few VERY overpriced small shops in china. I'm talking like $300+ usd for one shipped. He will probably be reissued within a year due to how insanely popular he was.

Why are so many stores NOT carrying Open Play Big Spring? Did fanstoys or someone say they wouldn't provide them products if they carry it or something? I can't find it anyplace to pre-order or order. I know it's out. They were being sold at TFCon.

>>6424190

Only things I dislike is that his cannon pops out a little easy during posing and how heavy he is. I don't hate diecast, but fuck he's hefty.

>>6424173
I wonder how he looks with that super detailed IDW OP.

>>6424190
It would be dumb not to do another run. Especially now that there will be even more interest since they've finally show their Cyclonus.

>>6424192
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Show-Z-Store-Pre-Order-OpenPlay-Big-Spring-Springer-Transformation-Action-Figure/1955304_32823067479.html?spm=2114.12010612.0.0.X1daoS

>>6424209
Not the guy looking for big spring, but...

>Order from China
>Aliexpress' questionable refunds
>no paypal options

How about a legit source?

>>6424222
http://www.thechosenprime.com/OPBigSpring

Temporary holding page it seems.

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With the sheer amount of mold reuse they do I'm almost convinced MMC is just HasTak designers 3rd Party outfit.

>>6424230
Is MMC doing ok? It seems strange that they've been forcing so many remolds of stuff lately. Thunderclash looks basically ok I guess but man their Cyclonus, Rodimus and various others have been average to shit. Is it a money grab thing or is the company having trouble?

>>6422702
>Is that true?
no

>>6424176
Ya I've heard a lot of not so good shit about his legs, from missing pieces to slight mistransformations. Apparently the last member of the team is coming with replacement parts?

>>6424235
They took a page out of the book of every toy company out there to use every mold as much as possible. Remember a mold isn't cheap to produce and that no amount of manchildren over the internet autistically screeching about that will change that fact.

I'm guessing they are going to do something big since they are taking their time to produce something new.

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>>6424230
Molds are expensive as fuck and it looks like a pretty intelligent reuse.

>>6424257
Hopefully the Abominus they were rumored to be making years ago.

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>>6424134
Downscaled knockoff when

>>6424235
Last I knew their good designer up and quit because he was sick and tired of fixing Cassy Sark's bullshit designs.

>>6424054

Perfect. Now whats the fucking release date already MT you fucks?

>>6424273

Doesn't Griffith own MMC? How could he quit?

>>6424258

Don't forget Roller LITERALLY has Thunderclash's alt mode without the cannons. So I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Roller version either.

>>6423475
I need to see the face but otherwise, it looks freaking perfect. It's nice to see they finally learned that MP isn't for oversized CHUG.

>>6424268


I want this, not fucking MP scale, but a small voyager or deluxeish idw version without the target master.

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Why so huge? MP carbot size would have been fine.

>>6424299
quit caring I should have said. Quit caring about fixing them.

>>6424391
Steal MP01/MPP10 scale

>>6424391
Because combiner size is what matters to the majority.

>>6424416
I can only assume I'm in the minority but I like the size of CW Combiners.

You're never gonna get the combiner in scale no matter what you do, you might as well just worry about the individual robots and let whatever happens with the combiner size happen.

>>6424134
>cartoon accurate G1 MP TFs
5-6 official figures per year
5-6 3P figures that aren't shit and look good per year
>Everything else (Movie, Classics, non G1 cartoon MPs...)
40-50 official figures per year
70-80 3P figures per year

And people are STILL bitching about TOO MUCH ACCURACY. This fandom is definitely the worst.

Also to those who think FT/PF is going to make IDW stuff regularly, you're wrong. They simply needed to add some accessories to make it more valuable once they learned their early molds were stolen by KFT.

>>6424428

With an original design you could do something like have parts that unfurl and expand for combined modes and compact down for the other modes to make it appear that a figure is mass shifting. I still want to see an all in one combiner that integrates everything by virtue of being a ground up design made for that purpose. Cross dimensions would be a perfect line for something like that.

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What does it say?

>>6424543
The end of third party begins

>>6424543
The artist gave no consent but he doesn't own the original copyright either.

I think he is referring to Hastak owning the characters.

>>6424543
The only way I can see this dude somehow killing this line, is if GT just thinks: "Yeah maybe using this dudes art was uncool".

Its not like he can go to court or anything, and I would imagine GT wouldn't have gone this far into making renders and a prototype if they weren't going to plan to not get this guys permission anyway.

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>>6423728

Different lines. The Terrorcons were Cybertronians with mechanical monster altmodes. Why were they monsters? No idea. What even was Blot? No fucking idea... a sort-of gorilla, I guess.
There was no suggestion they were supposed to be primordial monsters from Cybertron itself (at least until Beast Hunters).

In any case... Rippersnapper is not a shark. He's an 'amphibious creature' whose head resembles a primordial amphibian, like Tiktaalik.

>>6423728

Kinda lost my train of thought there: Beast Wars is a completely different situation. Maximals are fundamentally different from G1-type Transformers (although how, is never properly explained... it's not just that they're smaller though).
The beast modes were meant to be actual camouflage (or protection from the elements, but in either case, organic in nature... I'd like some more exposure on that), not just a battle mode with different capabilities like the Terrorcons'.

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>>6423426

A triple changer! Hmmm... or some kind of actively hunting spider, then. Okay. I agree.

>>6423488

ANOTHER ONE??

Can this one at least have one aquatic alt mode? Fully commit to the submarine thing?

I would have said I hope he'll be less of a parts explosion than Maxmas, but that seems highly unlikely...

Hmmm. All in all he's overdue for a return appearance in the comic...

>>6423596

No he doesn't. Goblin sharks have extending jaws. Rippersnapper's head is all jaw. Almost like a crocodile, but more like a labyrinthodon.

>>6423717
>I mean transformers are already an absurd concept as it is.

I respectfully disagree. Mechanical life forms are anything but absurd; I strongly expect them to be the outcome of life on Earth. The transformation is barely outrageous; a space-borne life form would get great use out of the ability to alter capabilities (space ship / landing vehicle/ humanoid).

As for the beast modes... well, that was an artistic choice to fold pre-existing beastformers into Cybertronian storylines. So now the idea is that on prehistoric Cybertron, there were 'dinosaurs'...

I overthink this stuff. Don't mind me. It's a form of mental masturbation.

>>6423804
>The cost to make Metroplex's mold was about $300,000

So they'd have to sell 2000 units just to cover the cost of that? And nothing else? I wonder how many they did sell...

>>6423898

I think once we pass the station 'Adults buying children's toys for themselves' we should abandon such modifiers, anon.

>>6424575
>So they'd have to sell 2000 units just to cover the cost of that? And nothing else? I wonder how many they did sell...

Archer actually mentioned that's like only for the master mold to make the other molds. It got brought up at TFcon on Saturday when somebody was asking why some waves have like shortages of certain toys.

>>6424083

Count me in. Oh baby.

>>6424301

I wonder when they'll reveal Roller and Thunderclash are sparkbrothers.

...Fuck. Actually it'd almost have to be true.

>>6424173

Man the lower body is perfect (fucking love the segmented cab feet), but there is just something about the arm and chest that look off.

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>>6424673

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>>6424675

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>>6424676

>>6424673
>>6424675
>>6424676
>>6424677

Looks solid, I've always prefered the first game design over it though.

>>6424721
Same, but if it gets decent reviews I'd pick up.

>>6424677
>>6424676

This is going to look amazing if they paint it up like the character model. That's a dead on likeness and clean as fuck. I don't even care much for the design, but I think the paint will make it pop and push me over. Thankfully they went with the mounted arm cannon to boot.

T. Bobo

>>6424721
Same here, Megs and Steroidimus over the FoC redesigns.

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>>6423811
>>6423813
>>6423817
This really makes me want them to do a J-Decker

>>6424732
>yeah mp36 is pretty bad for it's asking price it has a lot of paint issues and it fucks with the tolerances and it's already got scratches but it is covered in paint so it's worth a buy

T.bobo

>>6424054
>>6424103
>>6424107
This is what happens when you take geewun retard pills

>>6424134
Hopefully this makes GT or GC reveal that they're working on an IDW Cyconus too. If not, it looks good enough.

>>6424230
>no back cannons
>random OC design arm cannons
Let me guess, those cannons are reused from something else they did or will do in the future

>>6424543
>@kyoryu_kuramo
Can some nip anons tell him to quit being a fucking bitch about it.

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>>6424739
>J-Decker
>not Seven Changer

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>>6424799
>Seven Changer
>not THUNDER BARON
>self contained combiner
>great robot modes
>bitchin altmodes (and a truck)
>OH SHIT NIGGER COMBINED ALTMODE
Probably my favorite Brave toy from my childhood. The engineering is 85% of the way there. A little modern touch up on the proportions and added articulation is all it needs.

>>6424673
>>6424675

>realise it has inaccurate colors because this is the plastic color breakdown
>ALL DAT CLEAR PURPLE

I've got $68 sitting in Spreenow because a thing got cancelled on me, what should I spend it on?

>>6424836
Maybe a YesModel Data Clerk?

>>6424543
I don't know Japanese so all I have to go on is the google translation
>It seems that things like images are released with non-genuine transformer toys, but it closely resembles what I drew in doujinshi as a hobby before. I am not a mass product sketch drawn for these non-genuine items. In addition, I did not issue permission, because I am not the copyright holder.

I might be missing the nuance here that gives us full context of what he's trying to say but it almost just sounds like all he's saying is "no, I'm not working with them on this"

I honestly can't tell if he's complaining that they used his work, complaining that third party companies exists and get away with making TF toys, or both but he does seem to point out that he doesn't really have the ability to give permission because he doesn't own the property.

I dunno, I guess he does have a right to be a little mad. It's always a raw deal when somebody uses something you created for profit and you don't get a penny out of it, but at the same time, he's got to know that this is the nature of fan works and regardless, this is still gonna make a lot of people happy and I'd think he's got to at least be a little excited to see his designs put into plastic. Not to mention, he's got to be aware that China don't give a fuck and is effectively immune to copyright claims.

>>6424791
they look like heavily modified versions from one of the barrels of Tarn's cannons

>>6424884
>I dunno, I guess he does have a right to be a little mad. It's always a raw deal when somebody uses something you created for profit and you don't get a penny out of it
This. It's one thing to take Hasbro's designs- it's a huge soulless corporation and the artists that design the stuff for them have already signed away their creative license directly to Hasbro to bastardize well after the artist dies even. Basically: they know what they're in for.
But to take art from some individual without even asking him or telling him? That's shitty. The guy doesn't work for a toy company and probably wasn't aware this stuff went on so I can 100% understand his anger and I feel bad for him.

The worst part is it seems like so many people want those toys that they don't give a shit how he feels and if he continues to complain about them using his designs he's probably gonna get a ton of hate mail and death threats if he isn't already.

This is the kinda shit that makes people quit fandoms and stop drawing altogether.

>>6424904
The really sticky part here is that even if GT DID contact him for permission, gave him formal credit, and/or offered him a cut of the profits, I don't know if he could even accept any of it.

GT operates out of China so they're basically untouchable on copyright claims but if HasTak has somebody within legal reach like a Japanese fan artist, they could easily take him down.

Worse yet is that these designs have been floating around for quite a while now and HasTak HAS to know they exist by now. If HasTak catches wind of the figures, their lawyers could come knocking on the guy's door anyway and he'll have to prove that he has no involvement whatsoever with GT and that they just stole his designs.

His best bet might just be to keep his head down and stay out of it, else it could ruin his whole life. He may as well roll with it and just take the flattery that comes with knowing somebody was willing to make figures out of his work because you know damn well HasTak never would have, especially not at this level of quality because it's not worth getting into a legal battle that he will most certainly lose.

That being said, I'm a shitty person and will most likely be buying the figures anyway because I've been dreaming of seeing those designs get toys. I know the moral thing would be to boycott them and not support such behavior but those figures are too fucking amazing to pass up.

>>6424565
>what even was Blot? No fucking idea... a sort-of gorilla, I guess.

I think it was supposed to be a troll. Also don't question what TF's can turn into, I mean, if a bunch can turn into cars and shit, and dinosaurs, and robot lions, why not some weird monster things?

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>>6425072
>>6425072
>>6425072
>>6425072
>>6425072
>>6425072

>>6424953
I really think he should continue to tell GT "No" both for his own legal safety and because clearly that's what he wants.

>I know the moral thing would be to boycott them and not support such behavior but those figures are too fucking amazing to pass up.
It is shitty anon and yeah I already know you and many others will still buy them so it probably will still happen just because GT knows this. I just feel terrible for the artist on a personal level as someone who was screwed over years ago for a similar but smaller scale reason.