Transformers General

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>>6019270
The beast wars stuff will always hold a special place in my heart. They still looked stiff like G1, but better.

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BIG MEATY CLAWS

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I was obsessed with box art as a kid. Made every character seem interesting. I clipped out the package art, the bio, and instructions and collected those. I think part of the reason I dropped out during Beast Machines is seeing these cool paintings replaced by Cheetor's ugly CGI mug. I was happy to see Armada bring it back, but I miss the classic G1/BW painted style.

My favorite is Skyshadow, who starred in a lot of my stories.

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Bisk is probably the best thing that came out of the new RID

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>>6019289

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>>6019288

I liked a lot of the old G1 art, seeing that I grew up with it. But goddamn if it isn't pretty ugly despite my like for it.

>>6019291
Still haven't come across one at Walmart. Hoping HTS puts him online soon.

>>6019295
The drawings are ugly, but the coloring and everything else is really nice. There's a charm to them.

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Please make the the insect duo next, hasbro!

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>>6019295
I'm really fond of G1 Optimus' toy, so I kinda like it being such a literal representation of course, it got better later on, with some exceptions.keep in mind a lot of this art precedes the cartoon designs

>>6019295
the fuck is up with OP?

>>6019304
Who?

>>6019309

Back that early on all they had to go on was the toys themselves. What you're seeing is an American artists rendition of a Japanese designed toy he had as a reference.

>>6019309

He just looks like his toy.

Wait, are you telling me you've never seen that picture before?

>>6019313
it's my first time seeing it

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What are the best quadruped toys? I can think of DOTM Hatchet and Crazybolt. Anyone else?

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>>6019302

Oh yeah the color is good. Just, well, it was a new time for US artists, having to try and draw JPN mecha designs.

Blurr's is one of my favorites just for how fucking PISSED he looks.

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>>6019309
The artist was probably only given a G1 Optimus toy for reference

>>6019316
Does tr skullcruncher count?

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>>6019319
>>6019295

Still better looking than this shit.

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>>6019310
this suave motherfucker and glowstrike

>>6019316
Alternators jaguar ravage is awesome.

>>6019324
You seriously want m'ladybug and bug-Phasma?

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>>6019323

I think Optimus looks pretty good in that. Even Ronald Reagan there in the background approves.

>>6019331
yea, why not?

>>6019338
cuz they suck

>>6019320
Oh yeah. I actually like him more for the fact that croc mode gave him great bot mode arm articulation. Having bicep swivels on top of forearm swivels is quite nice.

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>>6019270
Love the altmodes in the background.

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>>6019366

I really like all of the current art. That shit is really good.

Also it really cracks me up how fat everyone was in the old art. The art buys into the idea of them being bricks even more than the toys themselves were.

>>6019374
I think it's just a very bad case of having shitty artists.

Seems like back in the 80s, only the Asians could draw decent mecha for a damn

>>6019374
look at them sausage fingers

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>>6019270

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>>6019384

You think those are sausage fingers, look at this. Truly, G1 Boxart Kup was Hamhands Prime.

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>>6019391

I always love how all of these are in space for no reason. Just cars and dinosaurs and shit flying through space and shooting lasers at each other.

>>6019391
>>6019394
these battle scenes really are the best.

>>6019391
That VF-1 always makes me laugh

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Sometimes I wonder if this is what art snobs feel when they look at paintings of a single dot or whatever. This one is just so fucking awesome

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>>6019399

They are pretty cool.

>motherfucking Skullcruncher just whizzing through space as a crocodile

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>>6019401

Wow, I don't think I've seen that one before.

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>>6019409

Whoops, wrong one, heres the non-shittily cropped version.

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>>6019401
I always love this one, It like Metroplex pops his head up and Like WTF is going on?

Also Broadside like Oh yeah Aircraft carriers can't fly lol better get into jet mode

>>6019420
Who are the white dudes? 3P?

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>>6019418

>>6019434
Iron Factory's Slammer and Scamper

>>6019436
Okay cool. Thank you. They look neat.

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What is /tfg' so opinion on using Bionicle parts as weapons?

>>6019451
Severely autistic. Check with your doctor if you need ritalin.

>>6019462
It's not Reagan. The guy just thinks it looks like him even though he knows it isn't.

>>6019323
>>6019333
>Even Ronald Reagan there in the background approves.
That's supposed to look like Reagan? I thought it was just some creepy smiling asian.

>>6019451
good for customs but you need it to fit the style/theme. most bionicle pieces don't jive well with anything other than bayformers

>>6019451
Bayformers look like them so it's okay.

>>6019451
Whose sword piece is that? It doesn't look familiar to me at all.

>>6019295
MotU and G.I. Joe artwork absolutely destroyed G1 artwork and then TMNT came along and continued that legacy

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>>6019483

US artists had been drawing Conan's and military dudes for a while though.

Japanese space robots were something pretty antithetical to US artists then, which is probably everything came out looking really weird.

>>6019490
Yeah, it must have been hard giving the characters dynamic poses while also staying true to the chunky, disproportionate toy designs.

The Diaclone and Microchange designers were definitely trying more to make silly robots than proper humanoids.

>>6019490
That Jazz looks cool and I'm willing to say that a lot of the artwork with handful of characters looks pretty good. It's a shame that they couldn't pull it together sooner because I loved the 80's color selection.

>Alpha Trion's stats are all off the charts to infinity
If he's so strong, why does Unicron still exist hmmmmmmm?

>>6019505
because he allows it.

>>6019505
Because Unicron's infinities are bigger than Alpha Trion's infinities

>>6019508
If he allows evil, then is he all-good?
If he can't stop evil, then is he all-powerful?

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>>6019504

Yeah, Jazz didn't end up so bad. Others, though...

>>6019509
honestly don't know why he has all these op dio esque powers. Vector prime should be the one who gets to do this shit.

>>6019509
Because chaos is important for the overall health of the universe.

>>6019514
Ugh, I love the 80's color palette at least

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>>6019523

Yeah, the gold on Silverbolt is really nice.

The crazy megahands and sausage fingers on everything though just inspires me to make this.

>>6019514
>Masterpiece 3.0 will be boxart-accurate G1 transformers

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>>6019531

I would love to see if it could be pulled off and look good as well as be able to transform.

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>>6019451
Construct-bots was the way to go, if only it didn't drop the 5mm peg compatibility.

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>>6019534

Also man, this guy got off so easy compared to most of the other bots. Look at this shit, he's pretty damn normal looking, unlike Rewind's fucked up blocky ass over there.

>>6019535

The fucking bunny ears make me laugh every time.

>>6019526
That is fucking hilarious, too bad that perspective is a relatively new concept that didn't come along until Rob Liefield invented it in the early 90's

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>>6019295

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>>6019548

Hound looks mostly normal. He actually looks like what I would almost imagine a robot dwarf to look like. Maybe if he had a metal beard or viking helmet.

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>>6019295
perspective doesn't exist back then

>>6019391
As much as I love this art, it's always bothered me that there's way too many dinobots. Even if you discount the transforming images, there's still at least two of each.

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this guy was my favorite G1 toy as a kid. Cybertron Hot Shot homages him

>>6019564
that fucking mistransformed leg always gets me

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>>6019304
BTW, is RID scorponok as solid as bisk?

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>>6019558

A few of those posters have multiples of the same guy though.

>>6019564

Who is that?

>>6019557

Looks like an angry kid on roller skates, I totally do not remember his box art despite owning him as a kid.

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>>6019270

>>6019568
Volfogg from GaoGaiGar

>>6019544
How is this even TF related?

The fuck?

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Look, everyones favorite G1 guy: Nohead McMissiledick.

>>6019579
I can imagine someone out there on the Allspark or TFW screaming about how MP Ironhide is toy inaccurate.

>>6019579
i've tottally forgotten about him

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>>6019583

Then they better prepare for trouble, and make it double, because Ratchet's ain't much better.

>>6019567
He's great. Just be prepared for skinny triple joint legs having to hold up the body. The claws in beast mode have a hard time staying place

>>6019586
>le geewun is le so le good amirite gaiz

>artistic engineering masterpiece

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And hey, speaking of "What the fuck is perspective", I totally forgot this gem.

He really looks like he might be in indescribable pain or something.

>>6019592
You'd be in indescribable pain too if your foot was bent backwards by a full 180 degrees.

>>6019592
good god those arms

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>>6019589
Yeah the legs are tight enough to do their job standing but nothing too crazy.

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>>6019596

Others have it worse in the arm department I think.

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>>6019600

And another in the "Life is suffering thanks to these limbs" arm guy.

>>6019600
>clamps.jpg

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Seaspray was always one of my favorite toys, but man, I didn't remember his box art, thats for certain.

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For a guy named Repugnus, he sure ended up one handsome motherfucker on his box art.

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Thanks Hasbro!

>>6019536
>>6019534
Both of those cassette boys look pretty good.

>>6019374
The perspective is so off on these. >>6019619
He is the best in so far from what I have seen. Looks correct.

>>6019600
That actually looks pretty cool.

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>>6019642

I wonder if they realize they might be spending more in plastic churning out retools no one wants than just sucking it up and making unique molds for each character.

>>6019647

Repugnus was one of my favorites, both in box art and as an actual toy. I hope he somehow gets a Deluxe, but the forecast isn't looking so hot. Razorclaw is another one who got some fairly nice box art though.

>>6019652
>I wonder if they realize they might be spending more in plastic churning out retools no one wants than just sucking it up and making unique molds for each character.
What do you mean? Head retools cost way less than brand-new figures primarily because of how expensive metal parts molds are.

>>6019655

Well, all those Ironhides sitting on the shelves cost them money in plastic, new heads, paint, boxes, shipping, etc.

I don't know anything about costs, but I'd assume all of that wasted cash just to shelfwarm forever could be better spent on churning out a new mold and character that would actually sell, right?

>>6019657
The shops already paid for the stock. Hasbro doesn't give a shit as long as the retailers buy it.

Amazing bit is, just a few days ago there was the rest of the wave (Mirage, Prowl, Sunstreaker) and now it's just nothing but Ironhides.

>>6019659

Weird. Then again, I do own that wave because I got into collecting again only with CW and I needed some cheap CHUG's for the G1 crew. Ironhide honestly ain't a bad toy. Only one I'd call bad was Sunstreaker, his plastic just feels shitty and it's not the right color.

>>6019642
Buy four, one betatron torso and make the RED FURY combiner.

>>6019579
>>6019586
In defense of these, they turned a design for an exoskeleton van into a human, so, they were bound to suck, imagine making a factory robotic arm into a fully functional character, WITHOUT ability to change the toy, sire, you can make a massive centipedal robot, minesweeper and human out of the concept, but the toy is still going to be one or two legs of the design.

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>>6019689
>>6019586
I still want a TR Ratchet/Ironhide with a Titan Master cockpit right behind the windshield.

>>6019409
I wanna say it was on Rodimus Prime's box. Or at least one of the reissues. I remember staring at it a lot when I was younger.

>>6019692

Van front part can raise/lower, and you can just remove the headmaster for G1 mode, or flip up a panel somewhere to give them a seat for Diaclone mode.

Got MP Primal in and mine's got the shittiest paint I've seen reported yet. Two of his faces look like shit, scraped/chipping groin, huge smear on one of his swords and a little chipping on the other.

And that sums up every purchase I've made this past month and it feels like shit.

>>6019686
Otherwise known as Computron?

>>6019693

The poster/box art thing/whatever I remember the most was this '86 movie, multiple part poster that also had glow in the dark sections.

>>6019564
I wouldn't consider Volfogg to be a G1 toy due to not being a Transformer but alright

>>6019695

Ouch. Pics Anon?

I'm having a shit day too, Amazon somehow fucked up my FortMax order, they charged me and now are saying I don't have enough money to cover the whole order (and I do). So now I gotta sort this shit with the bank and Amazon too probably since they did take part of the money for the order, and the rest of it is just sitting there while they're saying I don't have enough.

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>>6019270
This one.

>>6019333
>>6019464
Looks like John Wayne to me.

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Perceptor with a I believe a Microman colour scheme.

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>>6019707
Skids is a pretty cool design, I hope we get a un-mtmte skids soon.

>>6019652
>I wonder if they realize they might be spending more in plastic churning out retools no one wants than just sucking it up and making unique molds for each character.

Stores still buy them, and they are stuck in cases with shit people want so Hasbro knows what they are doing.

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>>6019707
I'm excited for that new one.

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>>6019710
>Combiner Wars Autobot cars
>shit people want

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>>6019707
I have to correct myself, it's the original colours intended for Perceptor before his final ones, the microchange figure was never made in red, just black.

>>6019712
It looks to be the best one of him yet, I speak with the experience of having dealt with RTS Perceptor.

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>>6019718
>those arms
I wonder if Scope Man was the inspiration for Frenzy/Rumble's pile drivers.

>>6019642
im seeing red

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Well, which works better for you?

Official design with all relevant accessories including scope and stock, an older design that works, a newer design with a horrible backpack, or a stylized take with a rather clean presentation?

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Was looking up mp megatron stuff, found pic related.

Apparently this came out in 2014, was this a prototype for an mp cliff jumper, or was this an elaborate hoax?

>>6019729
Apollyon looks amazingly bad.

>>6019731
It doesn't look edited, so it definitely isn't a hoax.

However, maybe instead of an MP prototype it was just a 3P design that never went anywhere.

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Ok, lets start some speculation on mp megatron 2.0, I am really curious as to what mode he's packed as, here are the box dimensions according to takara tomy mall listings.

>W300×H350×D140mm

Where's mp10's was

>W350×H350×D160mm

Slightly smaller than mp10 but within the same ballpack, I suspect he's in robot mode as they could of cut down alot of size if he was in gun mode.

Another fact

>Uses 2 LR44 batteries
I'd love it if his eyes light up but good chance (look at the gun barrel) it'll just have his gunscope light up much like mp05 did.

Anyone else got anything?

>>6019738
Well, looking at it again he has the "spare tire" hanging off the back, could be a very early prototype, who knows

>>6019739
its robot, in order to sell him stateside he can't be in gun mode when going through customs.

>>6019729
mighttron for mp toy aesthetic, mp 36 for toon accuracy

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>>6019747
Wish that logic worked in australia, take the mp05 incidents.

He's packed as a robot, an ugly robot but one none the less, customs seized multiple copies, even the gold reissue, many simply got destroyed, how did they know, did they look at the box?

Many who successfully applied for legal ownership reported the shipping boxes they came in were still sealed, somehow they recognized the silhouette via xrays, not sure how it works in america but if someone knows what a megatron looks like they may pull the breaks.

>all these westiecucks busy screaming and whinging about how they can never get their glorious MP-36 because of their cuckold laws
My sides have achieved interstellar travel

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>>6019759
Not all states in Australia have restrictions, you only just need to fill a form in some and off ya go, that's only if they DO catch it.

And the simple fact is, for the rest of the world, customs don't check "everything", how else do criminals get their weapons drugs and other contraband?

The fact is everyone here *can* have a mp36, legally or not, they can still have him and he will be glorious

>>6019759
They should wait for the trump-approved Hasbro version.

>>6019764
Wouldn't it be coated in vac-gold with the american flag on it with a mini wig?

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>>6019270
>Favorite boxart

>>6019729

People tend to forget that Despotron is super based on the THICC dreamwave design and not the toy or the cartoon.

He's the best of what we have so far. I'll wait and see if the MP is any better but I have been getting increasingly nervous with Takara's last few releases so I'll wait for reviews.

>>6019776
>not posting the slipstream one

You've sinned, padre

>really like the look of G1 megatron
>hate this altmode
I wish there was a masterpiece tier version of the CW leader class
Megs is better as a motherfucking tank (or artillery piece) than an ugly upside down submarine

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>>6019806
>ugly ass upside down submarine

10/10 made me respond.

But honestly the mp line is accurate to g1 (mostly), as much as I'd like a g2 megatron it may not happen as every base mold has derived from an animated apperance and g2 megatron only got shown in the comics.

Better off waiting for beast wars megatron or grab the TR voyager

>>6019619
If it's drawn by Hidetsugu Yoshioka, it's gonna look a lot better than the '84-'86 art.

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>>6019270
Armada had some of the best box art (most of it was Guido Guidi) shame it was the blockest set since G1.

>>6019815
Then Dreamwave died.

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Wonder who's doing the TAV package art, doesn't look like Sakamoto, he would draw her THICC

>>6019816
That was for the best

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I thought this was some ugly-ass box art for a convention exclusive, but I now see that it's just true to the G1 aesthetic.

>>6019817
he is usually true to the toy design especially for product placement purposes.

The other fembots have thighs, she's just as blocky as any male bot

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o shit it's the real Predacus combiner
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>>6019731
It's certainly not official. The torso is still the cab of a VW bug, and Takara wouldn't do that.

>>6019729
Despotron is my favorite. He even looks better with MP -10. Of course a lot of that has to do with MP10 and MP Megs being designed by two different people, with very different mission statements. Back then, it was just "create a great toy with G1 accuracy", and now it's "be cartoon accurate at all costs".

>>6019731
It's a photoshop. The guy even put a watermark.

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>>6019270
Ah yess. The classic sitting on an invisible toilet and reaching for you pose.

>>6019840
You do know every mp is packed differently right?

Like the ironhide/ratchet mold, or the datsuns

>>6019747
Dude, Takara doesn't care if your stupid country has stupid laws.

>>6019739
It's packed in robot mode because the figure is complex and the robot mode is the "unfolded" mode, the one in which workers have acces to most parts thus the one that's being assembled into. They won't ask workers to take an additionnal 10 minutes to transform every figure.

>>6019841
You do know MP figures aren't all the same figures right?

>>6019843
The point was your point, all of the components that make them are more exposed as a robot.

So why are the nissan cherries in van form, for him I suspect its just to save space.

I actually suspect megatron is somewhat fragile as a gun, least as a bot it can differ the shifting better, but that's a theory

>>6019842
Yes they do, infact major online retailers wouldn't be able to recieve him otherwise. Then the retailers themselves have to add a orange plug on their own accord so they can legally sell them to customers.

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>>6019308
Kinda bummed the TR version didn't have the red eyes

>>6019849
Just use galvatrons head

>>6019850
...what if he doesn't want a galvatron?

>>6019852
Then you're fucked on having decent red eyes for pmop. Either make some custom or paint the eyes.

>>6019853
The paint part isn't hard thankfully, even a sharpie works.

>>6019842

I'm pretty sure NA retailers will just jam a orange plug in the barrel and call it a day.

Despo came with a plug that just pulled straight off and immediately went into the trash. No big deal.

My condolences to the cunts who have to deal with mommy government seizing their shit though.

>>6019855
The orange plugs the 3p's came with were shoved in just to shut up customs in airports and unlike hastak figures they don't have to wade through legal red tape when doing anything because what they do to begin with is a grey area

>>6019850
I was under the impression that look bad

>>6019859
pmop's helmet is so big no matter the head you can't see the real head underneath it

>>6019846
You can't compare figures as simple as Ironhide or Ratchet to something that looks close to MP-5 in terms of complexity. IH/Ratchet could have been assembled in vehicle mode with no issue and even if they hadn't, transforming them wouldn't take long. Ask yourself: even with dozens of different releases using different packagings, why was ROTF Leader Prime never packed in vehicle mode?

>>6019848
>Americans want an MP tank Megatron because they're afraid of their stupid law but Takara doesn't care and make an MP gun Meg
>Takara doesn't automatically add an orange plug to all their MP Meg
>sales outside of Asia are non significant
>Takara doesn't even distribute their products in USA
Whatever helps you sleep at night dude.

>>6019860
Can someone post PMOP with the heads of red eyed dudes on?

>>6019861
>Sales outside of asia are insignificant
>For a collectors item

Top kek sure thing man.
I will say the only thing they should add an orange plug to is your delusion anon, because that shit is crazy. Also

>Muh takara

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>>6019323

>>6019862
I would but I modded my galvatron so the crown stays on.

No other red eyed headmasters that look good. Horribull has red eyes but they are pushed back on his normal face so when you add it to pmop you get non existent eyes.

>>6019864
..Pilgrim.

>>6019865
Actually scourge and mindwipe might work

>>6019862
Well >>6019849 is mindwipes head
Horrbull is to sunken in and has a lot of shadows

>>6019863
Nice source.

>>6019861
Because toy trucks are illegal in America.

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>>6019861
Usually with the toys, specifically hasbro versions they remain in bot mode where they are most recognizable, from key memory very few movie toys even in takara's movie advanced line were in bot mode, mainly because window box displays showing the product.

Takara legends differ in this regard of course, now back to the topic, perhaps its several factors for mp36, safety, retail responsibilities and space conservation.

The safety of a figure is paramount, in robot they can better distribute knocks and bumps as their joints are flexing, I worried with mp mp hasbro seekers being in jet mode because their nose cones extend to the end of the packaging, but if the bot mode is compact enough it could also "brace" the figure which is where most mp cars lie, as for retail responsibilities there is a CHANCE even japanese domestic customs may pull a red flag if they see a gun on the scanner, or even if some punk rips it out of a box somehow and robs the place, then space conservation which when you compare hasbro and takara differ, hasbro went to bot mode on their cars as an excuse to use a bigger box to help warrant a higher price, takara aimed to keep it slimmer.

There is also another simpler explanation, the box size dimensions>>6019739

See how similar to mp10, could be an excuse to have them sit side by side, he could even be packaged almost the same way aside from the gunstock and silencer replacing the trailer, meaning gun or robot is redundant, though being in bot could cause retailers less hassle, regardless of region.

That said if he's in gun mode I'll be shocked, yes he's complex, but mp's aren't made to infuriate people, fun and intuitive they have been from mp10 onwards, mp36 just has a shitload of folding panels

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>>6019868
That's not too bad really, I just dislike the shape of the eyes, I'm getting LG Mindwipe, I wonder how that'll look.

>>6019868
Shit loudmouth might work

omg, just use a red paint pen, paste a red sticker, draw you blood, etc. quick and easy and fuss free

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>>6019874
Him and Clobber where my first thoughts. I'd really like to see LG soundwave on him, since the leader heads are proportionately different the the lower sizes.

>>6019876
Chill dude, it just discussion, personally I'll probably just keep the original head.

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>>6019862
Here's wolfwire
>>6019874
>>6019880
Neither of those guys work, I'll get pictures up in a bit to show why.

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>>6019289
>>6019291

They better make a Thermidor out of him.

>>6019882
I remember seeing a his warrior toy in one of the combiner force reveals. But i think he was in blue hawaii, not navy blue.

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Loudmouth makes him look like a Zaku or some cyclops

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>>6019881
>>6019884

Now I'm really curious to see how soundwave is on him, but currently looks like Mindwipe is the best choice (even has hard angles like the original).

Thanks for the pics.

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Clobber suffers ailment issues but even when cheating it he looks off with all the shadows
The head is needing either really bright big eyes or a string contrast to the head's color

>>6019889
Aww, he looks so sad.

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>>6019642

The Masquerade Wave was a mistake.

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>>6019887
Agreed with mindwipe
It just has the right size and shape to bring it out
I bet Soundwave would give him a "oh shit" look.

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>>6019887
Does no one here own both Soundwave and PMOP? Yes Hasbro Soundblaster has a yellow visor, but it would still give a clear idea of how Prime's eyes will look with that Titan Master.

>>6019896
I haven't found him in stores and I'm not paying that extra $10~$15 dollars Amazon sellers are asking for.

>>6019893
>Rules of nature starts playing.

>>6019883
Got a link? I can't find anything about him.

>>6019889
>>6019890
>that moment when Optimus heard that Sentinel won the Autobot elections

>>6019891
Both of the Autobot filler waves were a mistake.

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>>6019903
He can join Shockwave in this pic.

>>6019891
>>6019909

The Masquerade one would be redeemable if it actually had the characters from the Masquerade, since Mirage is the only accurate guy.

>>6019909
Fucking this
We could have had Technobots, and the Commandos instead.

>>6019915
>The Masquerade one would be redeemable
That wave is 100% irredeemable, period.

>>6019916
>wanting more shitty repaint fodder from some shitty brave knockoff show
>not Terrorcons
"""""""""""no"""""""""""

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>>6019917
I'm just saying, if it was accurate I could see the appeal for some people, and this is coming from someone in europe, the place that skipped the stunticons and instead gave us their shitty repaints.

>>6019921
CW Terrorcons would have been OC car/planes with decals representing their beast modes at best.

Also Terrorcons were shit and a sign that TFs were creatively bankrupt in the 80s.

>>6019925
Bullshit.

They would be retools of existing molds in the line, with their alt modes being made the same way Takara made the dragon mode out of LG Scourge.

Also RID 2001 was shit and a sign that post-BW vehicular TFs were still stuck in the past and copying shitty shonen anime.

>>6019927
Anon they were copying anime back in G1 with call of the primitives.
Don't give anon your salt.

>>6019928
Exactly my point when I said "still copying shitty shonen anime".

Armada may have been fucking awful but it was a nice breather and broke the trend.

>>6019927
>thinking That dragon mode is good
You have no idea what kind of garbage that would be for a combiner team.
And RiD was a fill in between Beast Wars and Armada. I listed them becuase more people would rather have that then 84 bots with stunticon bodies. At least Runination exists in some form.

>>6019642
Thasbro?

>>6019932
It was creative, and it was done without any retooling at all. If Hasbro bothered doing Highbrow tier retools for all 5 members it would be solid gold straight through and whiny faggots like you would fuck off.

RID was a bad novelty that came into existence 10 years late. It was a mistake, although the same could be said about basically all TF fiction.

>>6019936
>Highbrow tier retools for all 5 members
They wouldn't
They showed exactly how much they were willing to do, they retooled the same 11 molds for 6+waves. It was a big reason I only suggested the two I felt they take the effort to do.

You call me whiny when your the butt hurt one that your shitty furry force didn't get made.
Hell you were the one getting pissed off no one suggested that shit team thus starting the string of replys we have.

>>6019943
>they wouldn't
>what is Swindle
>what is Air Raid
>what is Onslaught
>what is Cyclonus
>what is Streetwise

Congratulations, you massive retard! You sure showed me.

Also, I hate Beast Wars as much as the next guy. The only reason I mentioned it is because unlike RID it was very much of its time and not 10 years late.

>no one suggested that shit team thus starting the string of replys we have.
...what?

>>6019945
Anon those we 30% or less retools
The terrorcons would need a lot more plastic and reengiering needed to make.

>>6019945
>calls me a massive retard
>list retools that have little to nothing done to the engineering of the mold
Thanks for proving my point.

>>6019946
>>6019946
>Anon those we 30% or less retools
Did you have a seizure there?

All of them are total reshells with very few shared parts. The Terrorcons would need similar amounts of retooling to look convincing. It would definitely work.

>>6019947
Did you not read >>6019927?
>They would be retools of existing molds in the line, with their alt modes being made the same way Takara made the dragon mode out of LG Scourge.

I'm starting to think I'm dealing with an illiterate here.

>>6019948
Making the front of a car have a grill is nothing like making wheeles becoming legs. What you are calling "reshells" (most of them share molding of what they are based from. You know this if you owned them) don't require them to go back to the drawling board and figure out a new transformation for. Considering that team has two headed beast members it would demand some of those CW molds to be retooled to the point of just making a new mold which like the other anon said was cost they wouldn't spend.

>>6019950
Wasn't it made clear that would look awful? >>6019932
You just shattered that glass house you are in salty illiterate anon.

>>6019951
>Considering that team has two headed beast members it would demand some of those CW molds to be retooled to the point of just making a new mold which like the other anon said was cost they wouldn't spend.
Highbrow had an entire new cockpit added on just for his mold alone. If Hasbro were more than willing to go that far with retooling they'd certainly do the same with the hypothetical Terrorcons.

>>6019954
Except it wouldn't? The only reason why LG Scourge's dragon looks unconvincing is because it lacks the retooling. Throw that on and I gurantee we can get a decent dragon out of it.

>>6019955
Anon you can't compare TRs budget to that of CW
The team made it clear they had a large increase in budget for TR. I'm pretty sure that's the argument of why beast combiners didn't happen in CW.

>>6019957
Tell you what. You keep dreaming in that world of magic and fairy tales and I'll enjoy my not shit teams I've gotten from both Hasbro and Takara.

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>>6019960
>The team made it clear they had a large increase in budget for TR.
Different anon. Did a design team member actually explicitly say that? I can see that we've gotten more extensive retools, and varying amounts of paint, but I don't recall seeing an interview where Warden and Co. ever confirm getting more money to work with.

Honest question.

>>6019960
Even then we still had extremely heavy retools like in >>6019945. It wouldn't been have as massive but it would definitely still have been passable if they wanted to put in the effort.

>>6019962
k

>>6019481
Phantoka Lewa.

>>6019964
Those are not "extremely different retools" Onslaught and Cyclouns share the same legs hands and arms of the original, Streetwise shares the same inertorso arms hands thighs and knees.

>>6019969
Air Raid and Swindle are still left standing. As is my point.

>>6019972
Air raid shares the same lower torso legs and midarm joint
Swindle I'm giving you but that's one figure to stand your claim they do heavy retools of 5 figures that would need completely new transformations.
That sad this is all a moot point. They likely won't make that team anytime in the near future. You basically need to be praying that the 3rd theme in this series is beasts for their to even be a chance they do them.

>>6019972
Two retools stand as your argument to cars and planes being retooled into 2, two headed dinos 2 bipeddle monsters and a bird? Are you underage for stupid?

>>6019977
>same lower torso
What?
The only things they share are combiner joints, guns and thighs.

Also, Air Raid has a completely different transformation compared to Skydive.

>>6019980
>Are you underage for stupid?
Talk about irony.

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>>6019911

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>>6019986
Not anon but it's a little more they share then that
Im not breaking out those two where they are a part of Superion but these guys are the same molds minus the head. Also, they share very close transformations, the shoulder roll up is the only change.

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>>6019391
>>6019394
>>6019401
>>6019405
>>6019409
>>6019418
>>6019435
You didn't have the best one famalam.

>>6020092
neat but it's rather empty compared to the others

>>6020094
Yeah because the cast is small enough to be easily followed with a solid story because you know, a small cast of characters. Better than the clusterfuck of the original 2 seasons at least the 3rd season they got smart so the amount of characters were lesser and thus was the most solid season for the American version.

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>>6020092
get your go go nippon master breasters outta here

>>6020097
Outside of Ginrai and Overlord I don't really care for any of the Victory designs.

>>6019911
Okay

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Tell me tfg have you drank any sunny D today?

>>6019464
I think they were trying to draw Sparkplug and Spike and blew it badly

>>6020132
>September 8th 22:04 2016

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>>6019579
What's funny is that Energon Tow-line totally made this work. Too bad Ironhide and Ratchet using this mold is a con exclusive.

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>>6019718
totally not this guy

How do Punch and Doubledealer convince others when doing infiltration if they have only 3 modes instead of having both robot and altmode for both factions?

>>6020156
Pretty sure they mentioned that "my Autobot/Decepticon counterpart is nearby (real nearby)", so maybe it's like the Autobot/Decepticon clones, except there's one for each faction.

>>6020160
>>6020156
Do they also never let any stand behind them?

"Hey, Punch. You know, from the back you look at awful lot like..."

>>6020162
>any stand behind them
That would be a real cheap trick, wouldn't it

>>6020156
In Japan Doubledealer's decpticon faction is just the bird, he only used his alt mode around autobots.

>>6019733

Well, it was a hunk of shit even when it was made, so no surprise there. It only got attention because it looked better than MP5, and MP5 was an even bigger steaming pile of shit.

>>6020132
>Democrats recoil in horror from the events of Nov.8th.jpg

>>6019295
>>6019391
>>6019394
>>6019401
>>6019405
>>6019409
>>6019418
>>6019435
Why were the characters' art so terrible? Was Hasbro so cheap that they hire people that would half ass the art because of the difficulty in creating it? I mean it wouldn't have been too hard to do some basic framework for accurate design before painting it in.

>>6020218

Because they literally had no experience with anything Japanese before. Japanese animation wasn't really a "thing" in the West beyond a few shows, no one drew in that style or really grew up with that kind of style. And in a lot of cases all they had to work with was just the toys themselves for a reference.

It's a really interesting take on everything though.

>>6019963

I don't recall anyone saying they got more budget. In fact, it's pretty obvious when they're trying to SAVE their meager budget. Look at Blurr and Scourge. Barely a touch of paint. Meanwhile Brainstorm has more paint and colors of plastic on him than both of those combined.

Or Weirdwolf, who has plastic-within-plastic, paint, the whole shebang.

>>6019871
>Usually with the toys, specifically hasbro versions they remain in bot mode where they are most recognizable, from key memory very few movie toys even in takara's movie advanced line were in bot mode, mainly because window box displays showing the product.
>perhaps its several factors for mp36, safety, retail responsibilities and space conservation.
About 95% of the toys you're talking about are simple enough to be assembled in any mode and/or to be transfomed before getting packed. Also MPs are collector items. They don't have to comply the same safety criterias toys do.

If MP-36 was a "simple toy" like Sideswipe, I'd have no doubt that they would simply pack it in its most compact mode but seeing how crazy the engineering seems to be, they won't even try. I mean even MP-10, which is definitely more complex than the carbots but probably a lot less than Meg, got packed in robot mode even though its vehicle mode is way more compact.

>>6020358

I really hope v2 megs isn't a shitty nightmare to transform. Despo and mightron did a really good job not making me want to kill myself trying to transform them.

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I'm going to buy a second Liokaiser just to take apart Drillhorn and ironbision and have them resemble this guy.

>>6020376
Share pics when it's done

>>6020376
Nice blog.

>>6019729
I try to be nice, but oh my god, the official figure is so much better than the turd attempts! Truly, if you think ANY of those 3p options are superior to the official, you fucking delusional and/or have the worst taste ever.

>>6020383
Sorry no one loves you anon

>>6020415
Surely he means the link in the image?

>>6019818
Not really, it gave us hacks like Roberts and Scott.

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Have you guys seen so much autism outside of Allspark?

>>6019826
Man, I really need to buy a new Tripredacus.

>>6019586
It's still hilarious to me that despite how much everyone hated that toy, that they reused it for a second character and made like 10 redecos of both of them using that shitty mold

>>6020218
>I mean it wouldn't have been too hard to do some basic framework for accurate design before painting it in.

The model sheets that helped define the characters(and how we see them now) didn't exist when this art was being made. Artists probably got just an early proto of the toy, and likely didn't want to go too off-model from it, since they where selling the toy, not the animated version.

>>6020509
Plastic bastard is the type of guy who sits at cons all day with a pile of overpriced toys and cries about the"poorfags" who make his life miserable by not buying at his rip-off prices

>>6020509
>I'm not even a nerd and I get hot girls
> plastic bastards YouTube channel

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V6gbX6wAcn4

>>6020509
He'd fit in with the twits at TFW.

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I just bought a FoC Grimlock so I could give his awesome sword and shield to Hardlock here. No regrets. This guy is still my favorite TR purchase. I doubt he'll be dethroned.

>>6020132
Sentinel looks so happy in that pic

>>6020588
Despite all the controversy over the Titanmaster heads and the like, you do get some really cool combinations like that. I'd want redecoes of the deluxes in random colors just to go with them and increase the combos.

>>6020614
Is there really a controversy? I think they're pretty cool and entirely optional. A lot of them don't pair off as well as Hardhead/Clobber, but there's certainly nothing wrong with them.

>>6020614
>controversy

It was just some tards bitching cause it was not their geewun. When I saw them I saw a lot of potential to them even if they didn't make the bodies for some that originally had them.

>>6020620
It was one retard

>>6020653
>one
kek, no.

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>>6020623
>not their geewun
>not G1
>headmasters
>not G1

Man, sometimes I wonder what kind of fandom you guys got me into here.

>>6020663
Talking about how Blurr, PMP, Galvatron, Astrotrain, Hotrod, etc. were originally not head masters and those guys bitching about the change with them regarding the new line.

>>6020671

Lines always include callbacks to older characters with whatever the current gimmick is though. Power Master Prime? Laser Prime? Action Masters? All the powerlinx (or whatever) stuff? Etc etc.

This is nothing new. People are just stirring shit to stir shit here because it's 4chan.

Unless they're too young to remember any of this. In which case, well, they're just 'tards.

>>6019853
Loudmouth works pretty good

>>6020673
I'm not arguing with you about that since it's quite true and even outside 4chan these are some of the gripes of the vocal minority. For me TR/LG PMP/Ginrai is not for me but I won't go to the forums or even here to bitch about it. I simply won't buy it and if somebody ask me, I just say that it didn't caught my attention.

>>6019927
>Also RID 2001 was shit and a sign that
It was a parody of that. Car Robots is a comedy. The dub missed that.

For fucks sake Gigatron calls his faction the Destrongers because they're stronger than normal Destrons (they clearly aren't)

>>6020109
Neither of those toys are from Victory

>>6020234
A lot of that art IS actually Japanese though. Some of the art like Wheeljack and I think Hound come from Diaclone packaging. The bad US art is often imitating that art style.

>>6020683
The dub still clearly plays it up as a comedy. Things like the Destronger pun would be lost anyway since the term destron hadn't been used in the US.

The RID was okay, great VAs in it, the script was good but the voice direction was off to me, everyone kind of falls into typical voice types.

>>6020700
This, it only played the Commandos straight in the dub. Everything else was played for jokes.

Loudmouth on Voyager Octane Optimus looks good. The red and gray plastic are the exact same colors.

He looks like robotcop with the Optimus body.

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So I'm a seeker fag, aiming for all mp seekers.

My problem is collection is kinda like pic related where its mismatched, I have the entire hasbro crew and the takara coneheads, with the reissue of the takara starscream should I start over?

Acidstorm would be fine considering takara just got him with a re-labeled box, but would there be a chance of a reissue of sunstorm, or am I better off saving cost and just waiting for a hasbro skywarp at this point?

Pretty much more cohesive collection or save money?

>>6020772
Start over?
Like sell them?
If the answer is no don't start over.

>>6020772
To be blunt short of one mold uniformed seekers/cone heads isn't a realistic shot.

>>6020772
Personally I prefer Hasbro's Thundercracker for its shade of blue,so I'll probably keep that. Otherwise going Takara out of convenience for the tv show seekers. Not enough of a difference for me to care, and I want to have a full set of 84 Decepticons in time for MP Megatron

>>6020784
Well not all of them, I plan on keeping the cone heads and acidstorm, just the rest...

>>6020789
The takara seekers are uniform but the hasbro seekers are not especially ronald mc donald sunstorm

>>6020800
good points, I do dig the blue but the oc tampo's especially the toy intake design is an odd choice seeing how even starscream ditched those

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>>6020800
I absolutely love Takara's Thundercracker. I typically prefer a darker blue on TC, but the shade on MP-11T is just so pleasant. I think my preference for it has more to do with the cleaner deco and especially the silver paint as opposed to the unpainted gray on most other releases of the mold. The unpainted gray on most MPs, Hasbro or Takara is always so cheap-looking. Probably why I'll never buy Starscream or Grimlock.

>>6020804
>the oc tampo's especially the toy intake design is an odd choice seeing how even starscream ditched those
I doubt Hasbro had any kind of plan for consistency when they were designing this stuff.

>>6020671
Remember the two anons that would fling shit at each over Galvatrons gun placement?

>>6020837
Sorry, I believe I don't. What happened?

>>6020845
Basicly what it sounds like. Autist A felt it was in the wrong, Autist B though it was fine where it was, cue back and forth shitposting for two threads.

>>6020132
Now we need a mostly transparent purple decpticon for the "purple stuff"

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>>6019270

Would anybody know how legit ebay is for buying Masterpiece formers figures? Im looking into buying a Smokescreen and Im not sure if its legit or not.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/162260625626?lpid=122&chn=ps&adgroupid=13585920426&rlsatarget=pla-75952154106&adtype=pla&poi=&googleloc=1007274&device=c&campaignid=207297426&crdt=0

>>6020909
Why buy a legit car MP at all when the KOs are good enough for the asking price?

>>6020909
>TAKASA TONY KO

Literally says it's a KO.

>>6020909
It says "KO" right in the title, you maroon.

>>6020909
You do realize how stupid that question is right?

Want to grab some TR transformers, are they good? Should I pick a particular one? Is Brainstorm available in other countries? He looks great

>>6020917
>>6020921
>>6020922

sorry didnt realise the manufacturer name on the page. Are KO's good though?

>>6020938
Usually. You can check youtube videos for comparisons. Rocket Punch Army does some great side-by-sides, and there are usually videos that show you the best fixes for whatever little QC issues they might have.

You're gonna pay through the nose for an official MP Smokescreen by now, and I recall the KO being one of the better ones. It's probably a decent buy.

>>6020909
>>6020938
well, previous posters aside telling you that it's advertised as a KO, ebay is usually pretty safe.

Anyone that knows what they're doing will very clearly advertise that it's either official or a KO. Nobody tries to scam with KOs on ebay because ebay always takes the buyers sides in disputes such as those.

Occasionally you might have private sellers that genuinely don't realize that they have a KO and advertise it as official, but in situations like those it's usually pretty easy to get a refund or return it anyway because ebay loves to fuck sellers in disputes.

KOs overall are pretty alright. They typically have slight tolerance issues like excess flashing, peg holes that are too tight and so on which is all easily fixable. Sometimes tampos or paint apps might be sloppy but for the most part they're decent enough quality. KOs lately have been made in increasingly higher quality and nowadays at the end of the day you're really just buying the same product as official, only it says "Takasa" instead of "Takara"

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>>6020947

Cheers Anon picking me up that and a Sideswipe. I realise now that I'll pay big bucks for most other stuff.

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>>6020588
I can even get the sword and shield to mount on the cannon in alt. mode, with the help of a turd party gun with some extra 5mm pegs in it. Love how the orange matches the canopy.

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>>6020929

All of them are good molds hampered by varying QC issues.

Skullcruncher's typical QC issues are loose thigh swivels and loose hips, fixable with futureshine.

Weirdwolf's back cockpit hinge can just up and break. Can't be fixed really, and it's a straight up QC issue. You'll either have it or won't.

Sentinel/Astrotrain has some potentially loose joints, again, futureshine should fix. Both have a SUPER FUCKING TIGHT headmaster connection port though, and the only way to deal with that is to turn the headmaster's head so it's face is facing the face on it's back. Otherwise you might end up breaking something, and your first time pulling the head off them is going to scare the shit out of you.

Soundwave has a gold paint rubbing off issue, Blaster has no real issues except for possibly his base mode fold out gun being a bit floppy.

Scourge and Highbrow have floppy heads due to their head port design. This isn't a QC issue but an actual design flaw, but you really won't notice it when they're posed.

Mindwipe, Brainstorm, Blurr, Chromedome, Hardhead, have no QC issues I know of.

>>6020995
I ended up not having a tight joint issue on my Orange Prime, but had a floppy head issue on my LG Hardhead

This line is weird with is QC

>>6021005
>floppy head issue on my LG Hardhead
Try turning Duros' head the opposite way, so it's facing toward you when you plug it into the neck joint. My TR Hardhead is floppy unless I do that.

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>>6021005

Yeah, it's a shame, but the molds are so good in general that it's worth dealing with the weird as fuck QC problems.

>Computron showing up ant TJmax and Marshals

Fucking hell, I just got one at Amazon for 64.

>>6021010
That's sort of what I ended up doing.

I say "sort of" because the headmaster port is so tight if you put him in the proper way that I thought it wasn't supposed to go in that way, so I turned it around and it went fine. It wasn't until I looked at the instructions more closely that I realized it is supposed to go in face facing backwards (and that doing that made it floppy anyway)

I'm a little concerned about paint rub on Duro's face when doing that but it's not like I see it that much anyway.

>>6021021

Thats probably why most of the TM lil' bot heads aren't painted. That shit is going to rub off with time, and nothing is going to prevent it.

>>6021018
That report's title is misleading. Only TJ Maxx actually had the Computron sighting.

But yeah, FUCK Hasbro distribution. Just put the toy online for $60 and you will make many people happy.

How often do discount stores stock up their toy sections any way? I doubt they get more than 2 sets per shipment.

>>6021035
Completely random. You could have one Menasor in one store, or four of them in another.

>>6020929

I picked up two of each of the '87 Headmaster remakes and a Blaster. Peoples' complains about the quality control are legit -- my Skullcruncher has really loose upper leg cuts and my Mindwipe has really loose ankle joints, and some people have had some breakage issues -- but overall, I think they're great. They're instantly recognizable as updates of the '87 figures, they're fun to pose and play with so long a you're careful with them, and they look awesome all on display together. Mindwipe's my least favorite (because of the loose ankles, his soft plastic parts, and his bat mode, which to me looks a little wonky), but I'd still recommend him. Brainstorm and Blaster are my favorites, to me they're both 10/10 Transformers.

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>>6021066

Shame about your Mindwipe's ankles man, but hopefully you can tighten them up, right?

>>6021043
Basicly this
Our local TJ Maxx had fucking Rooks and wave 2 in its sea of CW toys but go about 3 hours south and it's gift pack combiners and nothing else.

>>6019501
>>6019490
Does anyone realize that alot of the 1984 art was lifted from Diaclone and Microchange? It wasn't until later that they had different artists merely trying to MIMIC that style...

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Finally found a wierdwolf at a walmart. I can instantly see why people like it so much. Luckly I got one with a perfect back hinge. Pic related is a little display with all 3.

>>6021142

Nice! And yeah, he is a fun dude.

What are they going to do for Titans Return Ratbat? Are we talking a Laserbeak/Buzzsaw rehead or a new bat mold?

>>6021142
This heinge thing must be an early run or something becuase me and my friends irl have not encountered a bad one.

>>6021177
Expect a retool that way if they actaully do more you can be surprised over disappointed