Transformers General /tfg/ "OUTTA DA WAY" edition

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He's complete lads.

And he can barely stand up.

Is he supposed to be this backheavy? Or am I missing something?

>>5970958
You're missing the Perfect Effect hands and feet and the torso set to even make him stable enough.

>>5970961
That's very true, I need to get that set so his crotch isn't a laughable mess.

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The Stunticon team, finally complete.

Now to get Superion...

>>5970968
If you are willing to spend more money than you should you'll find the hasbro set, otherwise get the UW superion, least it comes complete

>>5970972
I'm not a fan of the colors on UW Superion, I managed to find a complete CW Superion for $160 so I'm getting that.

>least it comes complete
???

>>5970978
All 5 original members, in one box.

I didn't think the colors were that big a difference but you're free to choose

>>5970979
Ah, that's what you meant. Personally I'm ok with having Alpha Bravo over Slingshot, as long as it's a functional combiner I'm happy with it.

The colors on UW Silverbolt are a huge turnoff to me, way too much damn yellow. The combined mode still looks passable but the robot mode is awful. Looks like someone's dog took a piss on their Silverbolt while they weren't looking.

>>5970958
How's the fit of blackjack on Menasor's chest? The vanilla one was really loose.

>>5970986
Also very loose but it can hold on if I don't touch it. Definitely tightening those pegs when I get back home.

>>5970987
I put Bondic on all of the Optimus/Menasor repaints I own. Shit's amazing.

>>5970978
You can get UW Superion from AmiAmi for $80 pre-owned at the moment.

>>5970958
Menasor's backheavy, even with Blackjack?

>>5971027
I would but I'd hate the living shit out of Silverbolt. Also Fireflight and Slingshot's stripe at the back looks like shit imo.

>>5971028
Amazingly, yes. Something tells me it's got to do with the placement of Motormaster's arms, and in turn his combiner port.

>>5969431

Pleeeaaase tell me you have the others, I thought I had these saved but I was wrong.

>>5971034
http://ameblo.jp/dino-kuramo/entry-12111130744.html
Simple Google search.

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One thing I really don't like from these newer masterpieces is all the flat sections with no detail whatsoever

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>>5971036
>http://ameblo.jp/dino-kuramo/entry-12111130744.html

There were way more than that in different styles. It's impossible to find a page that has all of these.

>>5971052
>MUH GREEBLES

Jokes aside, mp's aim for animation accuracy with a mix of toy accuracy, so doing stuff like on the shins there would be "too much" but doing the arms is ok, apparently.

We've still got 3p options if that bothers you, and mind you the inferno and grapple ones do a pretty good job

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>>5971034
>>5971054
it's called [Kuramochi Zukan] T-Beast

it's on ex-hentai

>>5971070
Do any existing TFs use that transformation scheme? It's pretty neat for being so simple.

>>5971056
Thats the thing now though, MPs lately have shifted to a huge focus on animation accuracy, whereas before MPs weren't going for toy or animation accuracy particularly, so much as [and this isn't a verbatim quote, but Hasui-san said something to the effect of this] "Being the perfect toy of a character"

Since that ideal was lost along with Hasui-san, while MPs have still been great toys and impressively engineered, they've lost the idea of actually being toys as opposed to show-accurate models.

I think this is most visible in the prototypes we saw of the upcoming megatron 2.0, while 3Ps style themselves more after older MPs like MP-10, the new megatron is more like the MP shockwave, cartoon accurate to a fault, as well as using a faux-partsing transformation for megatrons chest since it no longer actually becomes the part of the gun it should, it's just a panel now.

This got a bit rambly, but my general point is MPs were better overall when they didn't aim for total cartoon accuracy

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>>5971073
there's always 3P for cooler design and details

>>5971074

This is why I like the Generations stuff more.

>>5971075
This

reedun >>>>> geewun

>>5971086
Same shit

>>5971075
but generations is too comic accurate

>>5971088
Yes, but geewun is cow dung from 1984 while reedun is cow dung from 2016

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>I shall keep all illegal titanmasters out with my tremendous wall!

>>5971098
More pics with a fuckton of TMs please. There's something satisfying about seeing a bunch in one place, or interacting on the same playset.

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>>5971102
Here's an old one. Titan Masters fleeing to Canadarius by sea.

>>5971105
>Nightbeat barely fitting in there
I love it.

I can't wait for Broadside to come out so that you can have some more water-based hijinks.

>>5971052
I like it. 3Ps always tend to force in too much detail when really flat panels are all that needs to be there.

I suppose it's all subjective though. Overall I prefer clean and simple designs where the detail is practical and eye-catching, and not just everywhere.

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>>5971052
I find it's one of those things I like more in person, the smooth surfaces. That said, I did just cancel my preorder for inferno because I'm not really that into him. I think grapple looks like a much better use of the mold. Some slight color changes and a couple of sculpted panel lines on his shins make a world of difference.

>>5971177
Is this bigger than the MP cars? I know in G1 and G2 they were the same size class.

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Ok anons, help me pick, masterpiece blue-bluestreak or masterpiece sideswipe for $20 more, BOTH come with coins, not that it matters but pic related differs.

I have already enjoyed both sets of molds substantially, I own all previous datsun molds, and I own the previous 2 lambor molds, the difference however is the lambor molds are ko's and I lack an official entry, whilst the datsuns are 2 hasbro and one takara.

Or should I avoid both and aim for a new mp (I already have primal and grapple on pre-order just so you know).

I have heard the blue-bluestreaks are known for having shoddy paint work, is this correct, what about lambor, surely they can't fuck up red...right?

>>5971180
get the KOs for 50 bucks combined and call it a day no one cares about the coins.

>>5971180
Which matters to you more?
>Completing your set of Datsuns
>Owning an official Lambor

>>5971179
He's a little bit bigger than Ironhide/Ratchet in robot mode.

I assume they still match the scale of the other carbots, but he might not actually fit inside MP10 considering Ironhide was a tight squeeze and Ratchet didn't actually fit because of his emergency vehicle lights.

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>>5971052
That's the trend Japanese mecha figures have headed to for a while. Personally I like it a lot. I think a lajor reason that Jaanese mecha look so appealing as that they look like some densely detailed designs, but if you really look, there's a lot of breathing room for you to digest the details properly. I think that marks the difference between legit designs, and ones done by amateurs, who drown things in details.

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>>5971186
...what if I told you I'm not a fan of the ko's after the experience I had with the 2 lambors?

Ok, let me break it down

>datsuns
>all official
>smokescreen was second hand and paint was chipped but clean
>prowl and bluestreak were hasbro but paintwork was rough and excess plastic made if difficult to convert
>had anti hasbro bias after those 2
>get ko g2 sideswipe
>seems fine
>teeth painted roughly
>molding and box differences indicated I got scammed but only found out months later
>get red alert
>alarm bells ring as this was a more obvious ko
>required modification to roll in car mode AND stay tabbed together in robot mode

After my 2 ko's I learnt a lesson, even hasbro DOES have a quality level they adhere too, ko's jump from ok but imperfect to HOLY SMOKING TURDS

I do appreciate the suggestion of getting both, at this point the only "ko" I'll touch is an oversized version of an oc color scheme

>>5971187
Well I'd still have to get that silver-bluestreak if I'm to complete, think I might lean more towards your route, thank you

>>5971189
The emergency lights are meant to compress in like a button press to fit into mp10, but I don't think the inferno mold would fit.

I mean it'd be cool to have a FIRE TRUCK exit a SEMI TRAILER but I don't think it'd fit, at LEAST in terms of length

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I wonder if anyone ever tried to replicate their childhood mismatched teams with Combiner Wars.

>>5971071

Go-Bots Beast-Bot uses a similar transformation, albeit a bit stupider looking.

http://www.tfu.info/2003/Gobots/Beast-Bot/beast-bot.htm

>>5971194
Never, ever listen to people shilling those KOs. they're largely people who'd settle for anything cheap and fast and can't fathom spending more on something better when they can get something worse but similar for cheaper. Its like the kind of people who'd spend their life only eating at chain restaurants and never trying a real one, or buying all their clothes from wal-mart.

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>>5971071
BWX Optimus Primal uses a similar transformation.

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>>5971193
I'm with this dude, sorta. You need some simplicity in your mecha designs so you have visual balance. You gotta give the eye spaces to rest, it's basic art theory.

Plus, you can always run to third party if you want absurd levels of detail. Pic related, the unreleased and grossly overdetailed Fans Toys Soundwave, which looked good early in production, but then went bad when they took it back to the drawing board to re-engineer and add (too much) surface detail.

>>5971213
is that a new masterpiece soundwave?

>>5971204
I was a spoiled brat and my teams always got completed. My dad work at a telephone company that was in the same area as a TRU so he slowly get me combiner guys as surprised gifts usually once a week, I think he had fun with it to at least the collecting part of it. Superion was first followed by Bruticus, then Devastator after that it's fuzzy the only one I didn't end up getting at all was Predacons/Predaking. When G2 happen my dad got back into gifting me those combiners, I didn't have the heart to tell him I was growing out of toys so I still open them and display them somewhere he could see because I think he like the idea they made me happy.

>>5971204
>tfw only had Monstructor
Thanks, John.

>>5971213
Story is they overdetail to keep themselves safer from risk of legal action from Hasbro/Takara

>>5971229
Another rumor goes that HasTak actually communicates with 3P companies and is generally okay with them.

Legends Shockwave pretty fun, I just wish he didn't have that square block in front of the 5mm handle. I really want to cut it off but I don't like destructive mods.

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>>5971227
At least you're back in it and now you have fond memories of your dad engaging with your love for robots.

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>>5970958

Menasor is the most imbalanced of the CW/UW stuff. The guy is just plain topheavy. Even the PE 3P stuff won't fix that, really.

Still one of my favorites though in terms of looks.

>>5971229
Hastak also has equal amount of greebles just like 3P so we can only complain about prices and QC now

>>5971226
No, its a 3P attempt at an MP Soundwave that was scrapped once Takara's was announced.

honestly the first proto is arguably just as good or better than the official one's look.

>>5971235
Most people have just cut it. Nut up and do it, man.

>>5971239
Ummm... no? This whole discussion spurned from the fact that Hastak MPs have been easing up on the detail more and more in order to emulate cartoon models. How can you look at MP Inferno and say "Hastak has equal amounts of greeble" with a straight face?

>>5971074
I want cartoon accuracy!

>>5971242

Not that Anon, but CHUG stuff has actually been meeting or surpassing 3P stuff in terms of detail on the surface of 'bots lately. Even all those hollow bits are stuffed with detail usually.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/every-titans-return-product-currently-sold-out-at-hasbro-with-entire-line-on-back-order/36511/

Should we be worried?

>>5971254

It means one of two things. Either they made less because TF's weren't selling well and they didn't have faith this line would do well, or TF's were selling about as much as they usually do and this line was incredibly popular.

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>>5971213
The other real problem with 3P greebling is a lack of variation in depth and style. If you look at SoC GaogaiGar, there's a mix of deeply cut linework, and soft, shallow lines running along the surface. Even the seemingly smooth spots are still given some detailing, but its so subtle it feels a part of the design rather than drawing attention.

The opposite of this would be something like Hexatron, where all the detailing is done with the same volume so everything kinda gets drowned out. I do still like it, more than the official one we're getting, but it definitely seems more amateur in some respects.

>>5971252
That is true, but the discussion is about MPs specifically.

With Warden's love for G1 accuracy, I wonder if the level of greeble on recent Generations line is a way of further differentiating the mainline from Masterpiece.

>>5971233
And yet another rumor says HasTak is secretly running all 3Ps.

>>5971265

That would be false. However, it's said that some of their designers freelance for 3P's, which I can totally see. It must suck to have ideas and never be able to use them, so I could see why designers would jump at the chance to get stuff made.

And it's obvious HasTak hires 3P designers, given Gen. Arcee was them hiring a garage kit guy....

>>5971270
>And it's obvious HasTak hires 3P designers, given Gen. Arcee was them hiring a garage kit guy....

There's a huge world of difference between garage kits and 3P. Also, that was waaay before 3P was really a thing.

>>5971254
The HANJIN shipping company is in trouble and cannot even pay dock fees. Lots of ships and goods were stranded. I suspect this is related to the "sellout"

>>5971208
Where do you buy your clothes from?

>>5971226
Learn to read before asking stupid questions

>>5971238
Nice Jehuty in the background, son

Should I get UW Computron or CW Bruticus anons? Right now I can only bring myself to buy one until Abominus or Predaking are announced. I've never bought any CW beforehand so I'd like to here some opinions.

>>5971277
That has nothing to do with it.

1) The shipping industry is currently oversaturated due to overabundance of supply and weak demand due to the weak global economy especially in China since it was the rise of the PRC was what drove the overabundanceand overbuilding in the first place. Hanjin was only the first and probably won't be the last.

2) Lack of TR probably was because of the upcoming Bayformer movie and Hasbro producing less TR and gearing for the movie and expecting retailers ordering less Generations and favoring Bayformers. The retailers probably never got the memo and strong demand continued for TR figures.

>>5971298
UW bruticus because who cares about computron?

>>5971298
What do you have already?

If you don't plan of getting everyone then I'd focus on as much variety as possible.
Like if you have Superion I'd get Bruticus or if you have Defensor I'd get Computron.

>>5971298
Computron is superior unless you like the UW bruticus colors.

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These two totally look like they will space-dogfight each other.

>>5971298
Can be a pain to collect the individual CW components at the moment.

>>5971312
Really need a new game with dogfights.

>>5971298
If you're waiting for Abominus or Predaking, grab a Computron. Then you'll have an Autobot to face off against the inevitable Decepticon teams you're gonna get.

>>5971296

Thanks. Love Zone of the Enders.

>>5971298

I'd say CW Bruticus because it will be cheaper and easier to obtain.

UW Compy looks great but is a bitch to find and probably 2x the price by now.

>>5971312
>actually bought that piece of crap
And you have the best Brainstorm too.

>>5971324
Whenever I fantasize about a Predaking set I always imagine a pack of 5 leader Predacons that get as big as CW/UW devy when combined.

I don't know why I set myself up for so much disappointment like that.

>>5971332
You can still snoop around and find most of the Takara box sets for pretty close to MSRP

The thing with the CW versions though if you have to find 5 seperate toys that are all pushing on 2-3 years old by now, some rarer than others, and they can get just as expensive as a Takara set like that if you can't find good deals.

>>5971340
The CW Combaticons are still under a year old, and are still on some shelves.

>>5971073
I like how people use that quote out of context all the time making it sound like old MPs were 50% toon and 50% toy. Hasui also said that the MP line was basically cartoon accuracy + a few details homaging the toy here and there.

>>5971338

Urgh, I hope not. Devy was too big. I just want one around the size of the other combiners.

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>>5971337
Worth it for the memes!

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>>5971352

Wall Just Got 10 Feet Higher.

So far, I've only seen Chromedome, Weird Wolf, SkullCruncher, Hardhead, Scourge, Blurr, Terri-Bull, Skytread, Sentinel Prime and Galvatron in stores, and I've been checking various stores for weeks.

The distribution out in New York absolutely sucks.

Is the Walgreens-exclusive Brainstorm even being sold yet? Been to ten of the damn things and I don't see anything beyond the odd AOE leftover.

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>>5971352

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>>5971361
Dang even Tricerashot bears some resemblance to his running mate.

>>5971359
Dude, nobody buys in stores unless they're looking for old-wave stuff, they never have anything good until you don't want it anymore, just suck it up and buy online.

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>>5971362
>>5971361
>>5971352
>>5971312

>all this Sentinel love

Feels good man.

>>5971359
I find it pretty weird that Brainstorm seem to not have hit Walgreens yet when it was avaiblable online months ago.

Your overall distribution doesn't seem that bad, all we got here are VERY limited wave 1 Titan Masters.

>>5971365
Yeah, but people on a tight budget often like to see the figures in-hand first before they buy them.

>>5971365
I will only buy western figures at retail, unless there's a sale or free shipping. It helps that I have a lot of them close by and by places I frequent. I could never bring myself to drop more than retail on Hasbro level painting.

>>5971365
>>5971371
Shipping prices are a real bitch, but I guess I don't have much choice.

I'm noticing I'm seeing a lot of CW Skywarps in stores still, both Legends class and Leader class. The only Target nearby only has a bunch of Warpaths, and plenty of Sky-Reign limbs in the TRUs. Wonder if that's a reflection of sales.

>>5971359
>The distribution out in New York absolutely sucks.
Yeah...totally sucks that you're seeing shit that others haven't even seen a trace of...

>>5971349
See I want Devy to have a same height friend

>>5971349
If you want new molds and not remolds of streetwise/brawl/rook/quickslinger, they seem to have to be titan class to justify putting a ludicrous amount of money into the mold design and justify the retail side price.

>>5971298
Disclaimer I'm assuming you are in the American continent:
UW Computron is pricey for what you get. His weapon iterations on the bots is fun (but it's mostly just Nosecone). However the uniformed red paint makes him rather washed out in combine mode, yes I aware that's accurate to the TV show/toy but it's still an eyesore also he has a lot of QC issue mostly with Strafe, but still paying 140~200 for a crap shot of quality isn't a wise thing.

CW Bruticus Has a very sturdy combiner mode and is well formalized in paint distribution making him very satisfying visually, however without 3rd part kits the combiner mode doesn't have much possibility much like Defensor. Separately they hit some snags too, Brawl waist is not good, and Blast off isn't show accurate which could be a con for you. few QC issues are in the set, come reports are Onslaught suffers the same peg issue his mold brother does but reports are rare. Considering you can get the whole team for less then a $100 I say he's the better choice

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>>5971361

Finger Lickin' Good.

>>5971208
The only issue on my KO's (wheeljack, g2 swipe, tracks, and bumblebee) was that swipe had a tab that was too fat for the hole under his chest. After cutting it in half with a hot knife it was fine. I have officials of the wheeljack too, and I really cant tell a difference unless i look at mold marks.

>>5971208
This >>5971194 I grew up with KOs since parents wouldn't buy me legit stuff so I know how bad they could get that is why I learned that if I want something done right, go for the legit at least if there is some problem with them at the most you can get the manufacturer to replace it if possible or just sell it since it being legit means it also has a high rate of turnover for other collectors.

>>5971274
Garage kit was the predecessor of 3Ps so even if you want to deny it, without those garage kit makers, the ideas for 3Ps wouldn't even be possible. Sure Garage Kit means only 1 person builds it but that expanded into groups of people who wanted to make their characters right to them contacting factories and getting some deals to manufacture their designs enmasse and that became the 3P era.

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>>5969526
>I think they're more or less the same size

The TR/LG Masters are as tall as a Headmaster Junior.

So has there been a 3rd party trump headmaster yet

>>5971649
Garage kits are their own thing, and exist outside of Transformers. That's all based on the model kit scene in Japan. The genesis of 3P probably owes itself more to KO manufacturers that'd branch into original toys or modifying existing ones than it does the Garage kit scene.

>>5971649
No they are not. If anything a lot of people in asia who grew up with TFs and now having access to a relatively cheap and plentiful manufacturing base and all the technical knowledge to use it that was driven by direct investment from western companies and also a weak legal framework to prosecute them for infringement is what gave rise to 3Ps.

>>5971708
Right garage kits and fanmods are what gave rise to people like Cheets/F_R/Jin as well as the PMOP exclusive from Slagacon and those various Japanese produced mods like CW Fire Convoy and FOC Metalhawk. They are characterized by being relatively less capital and resource intensive compared to 3Ps since the people involved don't have the knowledge and money to finance these larger ventures. Look at what happened with F_R and his G1uppers vaporware or even the PMOP exclusive which pretty much cost the guy who paid for them a lot of money and a lot of nothing.

>>5971704
That's only a forced meme here.

Fuck, man, there's nothing to talk about.

>>5971783
That's a lot of Headmasters.

>>5971760
I could see some untapped market potential for a line of mememasters.

>>5971783
I'm getting all the headmaster characters, plus every titan master wave for my son when he gets a but older, but playing with them until he does. The playability of this line is way too high to not get a bunch of for him when he's older. Plus I'm a headmaster fan boy.

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>super-mega-belly-button cannon go!

The Decepticons have 5mm ports in the best places. Weirdwolf has the belly button one under his chest cover. Mindwipe has the one right in front of his TM port. Skullcuddler has shoulder ones. It's great.

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>>5971456
This is leterally the first time I've ever heard someone say UW Computron has any type of QC issues. I've had mine since release and never had any issues. What are these rampant QC issues you're referring to?

>>5971876
There are none. UW computron has been solid overall, the only qc issues people have and complain about are typical case by case issues like loose balljoins or tabs or whatever.

>>5971876
the strafe/blastoff mold just has occasional shitty joints. I heard a couple comments of paint being too lightly applied at times on a few figs.

>>5971885
oh also Nosecone's drill doesn't stay in his hands securely at all, but that's purely a poor design choice. The ridged peg holes of his hands and detailed peg handle on the drill result in barely any actual contact between the hand and drill

>>5971889
Okay, so the only real QC issue is loose joints...which is pretty much standard as far as Combiner Wars/Unite Warriors figures go.

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Are Mindwipe binoculars meme-worthy?

>>5971892
well by shitty I mean like Skullcruncher hips shitty.

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>>5971894
I haven't had any looseness that couldn't be fixed with one, maybe two coats of floor polish

>>5971799
The people that force those memes won't spend money on them.

>>5971298
CW Bruticus. UW Bruticus is an overpriced turd, and you can get UW Computron later.

>>5971312
>that brainstorm
Ew

I have twenty dollars in my paypal, someone sell me something.

>>5971894
Which can also be fixed with glue/floor polish.

Your point is?

>>5971348
You can look at Prime, Soundwave, and the early carbots, and see quite a few more details, and less obsession with cartoon accuracy, compared to Shockwave, Ironhide, and Inferno.

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Will there ever be another figure of the best optimus?

>>5971967
Did well in that Japanese poll, so I assume it will get the MP treatment at some point, though it could be years down the road.

>>5971967
Hopefully not because Car Robots was shit

Another bland attempt to turn Transformers into bland weeb garbage.

>>5969387
>Yep, it's pretty ironic that I've found like 5 Brake-necks at retail and all I want is Offroad.

I actually got an MOSC Offroad with the comic and MOSC Alpha Bravo as well since some comic book store was having a sale and I got those 2 for only $20 and this happened last month.

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>>5971974
Here's your reply.
>>5971972
This is good news.

>>5971967
A new retail or even 3P figure probably wouldn't be as good. If we do get a 3P, I think it might be better if they just take the old mold and retool it to be more showaccurate and give it new features, like that 3P Optimal Optimus.

MP would be cool, too; I believe the original toy was done by the same designer who designed MP Star Saber. BigConvoy too. In fact, I'd say you see a lot of proto MP elements incorporated in Big and Fire convoy.

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>>5971901

What are all the Headmasters' personalities in Japanese continuity?

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>>5972032
Weirdest sense of deja-vu.

>>5972008
Let me elaborate that for your mentally stunted brain.

Car Robots was a poorly done Japanese cartoon with shitty toys that had the sole purpose of turning Transformers into "oh god I CAN'T believe it's another generic Japanese robot fighting anime".

Happy now, downy?

How should I paint TR Stylor's face?

>>5972039
But the robots are self-aware aliens without pilots.

>>5972051
Mecha =! robot

You illiterate fuck

>>5972041
Paint the visor blue, and the forehead white (since painting the whole head white is pointless since the paint will start chipping after putting the head on the body).

>>5972063
Sounds good. I'll get some toothpicks or something and my paint and try going to work on my wave 2 guys.

>>5972039
>Car Robots...shitty toys

Well fuck you, too. As dated as they might be to other toy, as far as Transformers go, most of them are still top tier. I don't see and hollow gaps and bits in Gigatron or fireconvoy, or a lack of paint. Helps that they where made to more aggressive and competitive Japanese standards for robot toys.

>>5971070

Thanks anon! Man, never expected to find it on there, exhentai truly is the best.

>>5972068
Gigatron was decent. Fire Convoy was a shitty brick, a premonition of the cancer to come (Armada and Energon).

Also, end this retarded paint and hollow gaps meme. At this point you fucks are so obsessed with this meme you'll take a 5 year old's doodle if it has more than 5 different shades of paint.

>>5972072
>Also, end this retarded paint and hollow gaps meme.
How is that a meme?

>>5972036
I know, what the fuck happened here?

>>5972072
I just wish the hip ratchets on Fire Convoy were better angles. It'd be nice if the ladder could come off too.

>>5972072
>Fire Convoy was a shitty brick, a premonition of the cancer to come (Armada and Energon).

Woah, do you just not know how to play with toys or something? Basic Fire convoy is by no means a brick, he has articulation on par with the BW Optimus Primals. Eve superFire Convoy is articulated well if you can balance him.

They are by no means comparable to that Armada garbage; even as a kid I was well aware what a garbage hand going from Fire Convoy to Armada Optimus was. SFC may have been unbalanced, but at least he had legs.

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>>5972039
Let me educate YOU faggot. Transformers was dead following Victory and was rebooted into the first Brave series, Yuusha Exkaiser. This Brave series went alongside the anime beast wars and other shows for years until in 2000 the series ended for good and Takara decided to make a new Transformers anime after Beast Machines ended and flopped hard. They were making a show in the style of Braves as that is what the Japanese public wanted and it did extremely well over there.
That's all it is, a Brave series with Transformers.

>>5972075
It's a forced meme by Takaracucks who think that toys having more plastic and more paint makes them better, rather than realizing that the design and engineering is what counts.

>>5972080
A premonition =! equal to or worse than
It means that the poor design of him was a sign of the (many) poor designs to come.

>>5972081
Brave sucks and so do you. Armada may have been shit but it at least rebooted the franchise in a non-cringeworthy style.

>>5972085
>It's a forced meme by Takaracucks who think that toys having more plastic and more paint makes them better, rather than realizing that the design and engineering is what counts.
Quality design and engineering unfortunately can't overcome low budget and cheap materials.

>>5972091
Yes it can. See TR and CW.

>>5972092
Combiner Wars is a great example of budget cuts spoiling a good idea.

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>>5971102
Conga line!

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You know for a toy thread people here get super bitchy over what TV shows people enjoyed
Shouldn't we care about the toys we buy and the engineering behind them?

>>5972085
So you think the trilogy that turned the toys from ball joints and interesting transformations into shit gimmicks and bricks, and bombed the whole franchise so hard that only the movies and animated could save it was a good thing?
Minicons were fun but Jesus you cannot tell me that Armada prime was even on the same level as fucking Optimal Optimus.

And Armada was just RID but with pokemon, bud.

>>5972094
>spoiling
The line was near perfect save the repaint waves and the QC issues. If Hasbro hadn't moved their factories at such a crucial stage it would have been so much better. If they hadn't done the repaint waves and instead attempted to do an Abominus and Computron wave people would shut up too.

>>5972097
Cybertron was (toywise) the best part of the trilogy, which while admittedly as a whole was shit managed to sustain the line better than Victory or Masterforce ever could. Hell, Victory and Masterforce never even made it out of Japan.

Face it, Car Robots was a shitty cartoon with shitty toys. End of story.

>>5972098
So it was nearly perfect, except that it wasn't, because budget cuts resulted in QC issues and massive amounts of repaints? Isn't that sort of making my point?

>>5972106
>what is reading comprehension

It was nearly perfect, with the only flaws being QC issues due to unfortunate timing of factory moving and the poor choice to do 2 waves of repaints. Those are minor letdowns in the bigger scheme of things.

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>>5972081
>This Brave series went alongside the anime beast wars and other shows for years until in 2000 the series ended for good and Takara decided to make a new Transformers anime after Beast Machines ended and flopped hard


ACKSUALLY, the Beast Wars series took over the Brave series once it kicked into full swing. I try to avoid mentioning this fact since I worry it'd make Brave fans pissed at Beast wars, but it probably would've been inevitable even if BW didn't exist. Sunrise and Bandai merged at some point in the 90's, and Bandai is Takara's rival. There where more Brave spinoffs and sequels in the late 90's/2000's, but those where spearheaded by Sunrise, with toys licensed to companies besides Takara. Even now Takakra hasn't touched Brave since the MPs a decade ago.

Now takara has long wanted to make their own, homegrown Brave without Sunrise. In 2000, they tried with Webdiver. But, as you mention, they do try and make Brave style TF series. Recently, TF go!! was an attempt to do a Brave style TF series.

>>5972103
None of them were good.
None of the toys were good save for the odd gem like Shockblast that's only enjoyable in the sense that it has one mode that's passable. Minicons were fun and everything else in the trilogy sacrificed movement, visual design and playability for a gimmick. Look at anything from the trilogy and compare them to Rail Racer or Gigatron. The only bad toys from RID that weren't old repaints of g1/2 stuff were maybe the Autobot brothers, and Prowl looked cool as shit.

Haha! I arranged by shelf so that Generations things based on UT, Aligned, and Beast Wars are bordering their respective continuity family's original era toys while the G1 ones are in the center, making them fit their dual parentage!

>>5972095
That is fucking awesome! Keep it up.

>>5972096
Here's a tip my friend if they are super bitchy about anything here it's a safe bet they don't or can't even buy TFs anymore, they are shitposting or just playing sides.

>>5972114
>cybertron toys
>not good
Try again lad. Cybertron Unicron remains the best Unicron toy we've ever had.

>>5972114
>The only bad toys from RID that weren't old repaints of g1/2 stuff were maybe the Autobot brothers, and Prowl looked cool as shit.

They get a lot of flack by idiots who want to claim there's somehow a "wrong" way to design a transformer, despite stuff like partsforming existing from the beginning. Sideburn is a much more respectable looking toy than most of the crap coming out today. I still buy a lot of them, but I don't see how you can look at Sideburn's amazing paintjob and detailed car mode and say that's worse than , say, the CW stunticons.

>>5972113
Bandai makes toys where you get parts that combine together for bigger one, right?
So to beat them at their own game, Takara should make a Xevoz-type one where each one makes a basic themed robot and then you can combine them into larger ones.

>>5972126
Cybertron or Armada? The Cybertron one was a car.

>>5972127
sour grapes and it's not the hot new thing

>>5972135
Cybertron. Clearly not supposed to be a G1 Unicron but it still vastly surpasses the Armada and Prime ones.

>>5971204
If only there was an Abominus, I'd give him Air Raid and Dragstrip in place of Blot and Cutthroat.

>>5972138
Yeah that car Unicron looked fun but it didn't really catch my need factor.

>>5972111
So QC issues across the line aren't a significant problem? I don't like having to nail polish all of my figures just so they can be posed properly.

>>5972136
Is sour grapes the new sunk cost?

>>5971950
Did you just use the same argument that takarafags get mad at hasbrocucks for using?

>>5972146
Sorry, meant floor polish.

>>5972128
>Bandai makes toys where you get parts that combine together for bigger one, right?
So did Takara
>Takara should make a Xevoz-type one where each one makes a basic themed robot and then you can combine them into larger ones.
Xevoz the stikfas figures? Im not understanding where you are going with this.

>>5972148
I don't understand how either side can get mad at that where both have suffered the same QC issues.

>>5972143
I can understand if someone's not into it. I dig it because it can be used to represent an avatar of Unicron or a smaller body for Unicron, for example as a shell for him to escape to after his body was destroyed.

>>5972146
TR's is even worse, and I don't see you complaining about that.

>>5972148
???

>>5972153
Because some are delusional that their side can't do no wrong.

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>>5972113
> the Beast Wars series took over the Brave series once it kicked into full swing. I try to avoid mentioning this fact since I worry it'd make Brave fans pissed at Beast wars


>My absolutely favorite super robot anime is GaoGaiGar, the last of the Brave series
>I love Beast Wars, the show that finished the Brave series

Sometimes I feel somewhat conflicted about what happened, but I'm just glad both of them exist.

>>5972126
Okay fair, he is fun as heck.

>>5972162
J-Decker is still my favorite and I've already come to terms with never ever getting anything but that one SRC.

>>5972183
>heck
NO BAD WORDS IN MY CHRISTIAN GENERAL

>>5972162
Well,like I mentioned, Bandai buying Sunrise would've killed Brave anyway. Takara wouldn't want to pay their competition.

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>>5972126
>Cybertron Unicron remains the best Unicron toy we've ever had.
Is this a joke and why was this never retooled as Bludgeon?

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>>5972197

True that, but without the Transformers revival there's a possibility that Takara would have continued producing other super robot shows, even if they weren't animated by Sunrise. It wouldn't be the same without Sunrise's great animation and creativity, but who knows what other possibilities would have arisen.

I'm glad that we got Beast Wars nonetheless, as I said I love it.

>>5972162
I feel like pulling out my GGG from the basement every time I look at these kinds of pictures. I still want a Gekiryujin and the other one.

>>5972203
>is this a joke
No. It's better than the shitty Armada one and it's certainly better than the half assed Prime one.

>why was this never retooled as Bludgeon
This was the Aaron Archer era. The best we'd get as a "retool" would be a new head.

Should I buy MP Optimus Primal now or will it most likely end up as a toy r us exclusive in the future?
You CAN'T copyright gorillas.

>>5972210
>t's better than the shitty Armada one
10/10 bait.

>>5972212
Well, at the rate we're going Cincinnati Zoo is going to copyright Harambe.

>>5972215
The Armada one was genuinely awful. Ugly proportions, terrible alt mode, and one of the worst headsculpts ever.

Just because you disagree doesn't mean it's bait, retard.

>>5972187
>baby's first trigger

>>5972220
>actual planet Unicron is inferior to m-m-muh OC unitrash

Now that's what I call retard racing!

>>5972255
He's more like an unusable bowl then a planet
He's missing half his sphere
Really if you didn't know the character you'd assume he was to lay on his back and act like the Sarlac pit from Star Wars

>>5972255
I'm not sure you're using the best logic calling Armada Unicron a "planet". We bitch about half ass shit now but good god they couldn't even engineer a sphere. Was doublely insulting when his minicon was a ball.

>>5972255
>actual planet
I don't know what universe you come from but over here, planets aren't semicircles.

Tank unicron may not be GEEWUN but he actually has a functional alt mode and a non-shit robot mode. His biggest issue is his accesories and even those can just be left on his legs.

What makes Universe Ironhide bad? Could anything make him like salvagable?

>>5971270
That's wrong. One of their designers brought in a scratch built concept for Arcee as a sorta resume

>>5972270
Proportions are a mess, arms have serious poseability issues, painted windows while unaviodable make it look very cheap.

It's a mold that had its heart in the right place but everything just went wrong

>>5972270
I swear to god, is it always the same guy posting about Universe Ironhide? We get this question once every thread.

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>>5971783
Nice paint work anon

>>5972203
whatever was even up with that thing? like how did it fit into the canon?

>>5972298
A weird b-list toy that got produced for whatever reason. It ends up being the best Unicron we've ever gotten.

>>5972302
>best

>>5972307
Sounds like a damning with faint praise thing.

>>5972307
Well, I mean, if you can name a better one then go ahead.

>>5972298
The canon behind it is that Unicron didn't die exactly die and he reformatted parts of his rusted out dying body into this smaller form until he regains enough energon and strength to become his old self again more or less. His techspec was interesting.

>Strength: Unknown
>Intelligence: 10
>Speed: Infinite
>Endurance: Infinite
>Rank: Unknown
>Courage: Unknown
>Firepower: 10
>Skill: 10

He's Zombie Unicron.

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>>5972312

>>5972322
>better
That toy has alwaus and will always be the epitome of the disaster that was the Aaron Archer era. Even his mini-con is a more competent toy than he is.

>>5972324
...what? What's the issue with it? His wings and how they attach is a mess, but other than that he's solid. He is significantly better than other figures of this size that come out now. Compare his hands to Metroplex/FortMax. They are smaller and more articulated. Unicron is full of storage areas instead of useless hollow space like modern figures. He has strong arm ratchets, cool gimmicks like the big ass chest missile. I fail to see what makes him a disaster.

>>5972326
Half assed alt mode, ugly proportions, poorly done face sculpt.

Well, if you didn't realize, Metroplex and Fort Max also happen to be 2.5x his size, while not being that much more expensive. I'd say it's a fair compromise.

>>5972322
>half of his alt mode isn't there
>half of what is there is shell forming and it just hangs off flimsy wings
>shit balance for dynamic display even though he has huge feet
>awful gimmicks that hinder the toy and make the chest always have a big zig zag in the middle
>no uniformed hand
Factoring inflation this thing was was 70+ bucks the G1 inspired one was asking a hundred when the dollar was weaker.
It's not a good transformer toy by any means

What is the best Transformer that turns into a ball?

>>5972326
Don't worry, people who actually shit on this doesn't own or can afford one to begin with.

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Thinking about Primals upcoming release, there really isn't any repaint options for him is there? Besides that Burning Convoy repaint he had right?

>>5972338
More Optimus need shoulder cannons

>>5972336
Every time I see this argument, I think "Does someone out there actually believe that this is a valid statement"?

To this day I can't decide if it's very dedicated bait or someone out there is truly dumb enough to believe this.

>>5972336
Well i've had mine since Armada. He was $50.

>>5972330
>not being that much more expensive

>Metroplex/Fort Max cost on shelves - $125+
>Unicron's cost on shelves - $25

>>5972330
Read this >>5972344, you're fucking high.

>>5972344
You need to factor in inflation and distribution of big guys.

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>>5972326
>He is significantly better than other figures of this size that come out now.
>Compare his hands to Metroplex/FortMax
That Unicron is 15 inches
Metroplex/Fort Max is 22 inches
CW Devastator is closer to his height but still beats him by 3 inches

>They are smaller and more articulated.
I can't speak for everyone but I wager the majority would prefer a well rounded transformer over over detail fingers, it's fun but not enough to over look all the other flaws
>Unicron is full of storage areas he has three not counting the 5 peg ports for mini cons, that's what Metroplex has as well.
>He has strong arm ratchets
define "strong" because he was about as flimsy as most figures his size the 2010 remake was the worse about that.
>cool gimmicks like the big ass chest missile
you mean the one that makes the whaling grind of plastic as it slowly pops out?

>>5972344
Yeah, Unicron was cheap as shit since KBtoys clearenced the hell out of the Armada version.

>>5972344
>>5972346
Inflation is a wonderful thing


Also since when was Unicron only $25?

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Can we get some of the Sentinel Prime memes? I straight up bought that toy because he hates degeneracy.

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>>5972341
Shoulder cannons are nice, though I'd like truck mode Optimus' to use his exhausts as shoulder mounted machine guns.

>>5972336
what are you even talking about? You can get him used for $50 and new for about $150.
If you can handle the black version he gets even cheaper

>>5972342
It's that or the last huzzah of a person who has no other argument left. Projection might factor in too, he might be admitting that's how his brain works.

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>>5970954
I hope someday we get a Titan Class Unicron that turns into a full ball.

>>5972355
>$50 in 2001 equals $67.97 in 2016.

Yeah even with the 50% undercut from the real price, Armada Unicron was only $50 back in the day and even with the inflation it's only $68 roughly.

>>5972355
when he was on clearance
Walmart clearance to be accurate
anon might have just outed himself as a poor fag with little or no means to online shop.

>>5972358
>what are you even talking about? You can get him used for $50 and new for about $150.

In a thread full of people who bitch about paying more than $15 for something? You would think they would be able to afford something over $20? You forget you're walking around the poor streets of Indi- I mean /Thirdworldfg/

>>5972365
>Walmart

Unicron was clearanced out EVERYWHERE, they over-produced the fuck out of him, nevermind the extra insanity when they resold him unchanged in Energon Unicron boxes.

>>5972359
He'll be the centerpiece of the third year of Prime Wars, 30 inches tall.

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>>5972356

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>>5972372

I have quite a few of these.

>>5972367
Yup but the $25 tag was a walmart thing for the longest, TRU went from 50 to 30 something, Targe went it's usual percentage drops back then of 30, 40, 60
Walmart in the US was the only place that cut him in half.
I was really big into Armada in my youth, looking back it's cringey I was so into it because I grew up with RiD as well, I should not have been as pump about brickformers the series.

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>>5972374

Also the original. I didn't make it.

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Oh shit what's happening on this thread?
>shit posting about Unicron?

I actually like the old Unicron, I just wished it got updated. I actually got mine which was that movie deco one more than 2 years ago but I put him back in his box since I didn't have any space to put him on.

>>5972376
The Armada dudes looked fucking cool, it's not their fault their articulation was shit.

I'd love modern versions for all of them.

>>5972376
To be fair, Tidal Wave.

>>5972365
>comparing clearance prices with MSRP
Bravo, retard.

>>5972380
No one is shit posting about his flaws, they are there and present, shitposting is more of what the other guy is doing where he is trying to drag in other toys to compare and then goes the shameless route of "U 2 poor 4 hiM"

You can like him, the retard can like him, but let's just accept the flaws rather then bury our heads in the sand. I like some really flawed TFs as well, I'm not going to defend those flaws they were bad and could have been better.

>>5972390
One of the few gems of that line. I enjoyed Sideways for the headmaster/counterpunch gimmick as well even though he felt like a G1 toy in transformation and articulation.
>>5972393
what are you even on about? His MSRP was 49.99. The now retried Giga-Con/Commander/Ultra class was 24.99

>>5972401
>he felt like a G1 toy
>this is a good thing
Our standards have dropped too far

>>5972402
Well, coming off from RiD being like a G1 toy is an improvement since he didn't have to deal with ugly misshapen shellformers like the Car Bros.

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>>5972402
I didn't say it was good. Learn reading comprehension.

>>5972401
Exactly. He's using the clearance price of Unicron against the MSRP of Metroplex. That's a pretty fucking skewed argument.

>>5972402
>>5972403

>even though
>definition, (used in introducing a subordinate clause, which is often marked by ellipsis) notwithstanding that; in spite of the fact that

anon was saying it wasn't a good thing

>>5972403
This is a very true point.
>>5972405
>>5972409
And I suck at reading

>>5972376
Dude if you're about as old as I am, considering the series you grew up with, you were probably too young to give a frog's fat ass about articulation. I started with the ass end of G2 (only had 3 or 4 figures) then most of my tfs were from BW and RiD2001, which were Balljoint City and by the time I hit double digits, UC was the norm, I didn't care, I was just like, "YAY, MORE TRANSFORMERS."

>>5972357
Welp, I'm erect.

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Contributing

>>5972450
I'm 33
I was 10 when G2 hit stores and I was 20 when Armada Unicron pop up. I have no excuse.

ROTF Bludegon: Yes or no?

>>5971959
I'm not saying the current MPs aren't even more accurate, I'm saying they never were that innacurate in the first place. People act like we went from 50% to 90% while it's more like 85 to 90%.

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>>5972377
I prefer the small version myself.

>>5972464
To represent you're benis size?

>>5972461
Yes.

I prefer the Banzaitron deco myself, but the mold is good fun either way.

>>5972464
Somebody shop a version with smaller hands.

>>5972470
That is correct. I'm very sensitive about m'y benis size and as such I must reflect it in all of my images.

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>>5972456

>>5972480
>>5972456
Kinky.

>>5972456
>>5972480
T-t-this is a w-work s-safe b-b-board a-anon

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>>5970958
Can't really stand up either. I've wasted my life.

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>>5972376
There's nothing to cringe about, anon. Armada was a fun line, despite all of its bricks. Its Mini-Cons especially are still great to have around today.

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More headmaster shenanigans

>>5972500

How are you having problems making Bruticus balance? Menasor I could understand, he's topheavy as fuck, but Bruticus isn't.

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>>5972502

>>5972500
Mine stands up fine.

>>5972504
I am overwhelmed by the headmasters but painfully underwhelmed by their basic gun vehicles except for apeface and dinobatthing

>>5972504
I have so many that I could make fantastic stuff with them. Too bad I have awful lighting and a terrible camera.

>>5972507
Not really I just should have got some of them third party feet with more heel.
Orrr turn the feet around for little nub talons :)

>>5972500
Sorry to say this m8, but if you can't make Bruticus stand up you're probably retarded.

>>5972507
His hip ratchets don't have a notch parallel with his body. He either leans a bit forward or backward, Hot Spot has the same issue.

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Even more headmaster shenanigans

>>5972526
Then pose him with that in mind. Just use your imagination. Standing him straight is too basic.

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"Get in, loser."

>>5972526
The reason for that is the design of the spring loaded tooth allowing for too much leeway. This makes him lean forward a bit in what should be his parallel position.

>>5972530
>get in
>all the seats are full
kys

>>5972534
You have to get in his big screaming chest mouth.

Or ride on Grimlock's lap.

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>tfw no local stores have wolfwire

>>5972543
l-l-lewd

>>5972543
>you have to get the succ or get the fucc
Now this is a dilemma

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>>5972530
Same pic, more effort

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>>5972500
Fortunately he looks good with that lean.

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>>5972545

You'll find him eventually, Anon. Or just order him online.

>>5972569
Honestly, no. He looks terrible with it.

>>5972010
Kek

>>5972571
I want to try to find him in store so that if I get one with the qc issue I can return him

>>5972574
You need imagination. Turn that weakness into a strength.

>>5972380
Wow, I actually considered getting PT Unicron but that pic is giving me second thoughts. I'll probably pick it up if I can find it at a discount, but it's definately not worth the full price.

>>5972480
Turns out Chromedome is a Brock Lesnar fan

>>5972586
I didn't pay for mine on full price, I only got that for like $80 MIB when that Unicron was going for about $200 on ebay and shit.

>>5972583
Then why haven't you turned your autism and retardation into a strength yet?

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>pull out my Bruticus because other Anon's are, to have some fun with him and take a few pics
>move Vortex-arm's hand a bit
>crick
>Aww fuck what was that
>that thin-ass hand port now has a tiny crack in it

Fuuuuuuck.

Is there a more autistic person in the Transformers community than M Sipher?

>>5972604
Your fault for not filing down his port before using it, like basically everyone here has recommended.

>>5972604
Uw or cw?
Before I put the peg in I used some sandpaper to wear it down enough that it wouldn't stress the port, but still hold securely

>>5972610

CW.

>>5972609

Mine didn't really look like it was in trouble. Guess I was wrong.

>>5972612
Note: That mold is always in trouble. No exceptions. File it down before using. I made the same stupid mistake with my Vortex, when I got Blades I did just that and no problems at all.

>>5972614

File the inside of the port, or the actual hand peg?

>>5972623
The inside of the port, silly.

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Aw shit nigga

Transforming him is complex but fuck me, his accesories are lit

>>5972599
Why haven't you?

>>5972626
>implying i haven't

>>5972628
>implying you have

>>5972625
Who and where can I get one?

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>>5972630
ROTF Bludgeon. Saw him at Simply Toys in Bugis Junction (in Singapore) a few days ago but only decided to go back and pick him up today.

Very odd manufacturing error in his legs though. Both thighs have black paint apps on the reverse side, rather than the front, where they should be. His right thigh also had a weird issue with the ratchets where it's flipped the wrong way so the right leg's outward hip movemet doesn't click like the left one.

Despite this, very cool aesthetic.

Also he can fucking sheath his sword.

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>>5972625
You're finding a lot of fun stuff on your trip, tourist anon.

My favorite bit is opening the geared section in the turret.

>>5972630
Voyager class Bludgeon from the Revenge of the Fallen toyline. Since he was sold seven years ago, the only places you'll be able to find him are secondhand sellers or collector shops.

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>>5972633
Indeed I am. Later this week I'm also picking up CW Superion from a Carousell seller to complete my main 4 combiners.

Pic is all of my purchases so far.

>>5972605
Nevermore

>>5972636
Man, every time I look at a combined CW Menasor I feel disappointed that they didn't turn Blackjack's axe into a hilt for Motormaster's sword.

>>5972639
Everytime I look at him I remind myself how much I need to get the fucking PE addons for him so his sword isn't a tiny shiv and his crotch isn't a big joke.

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>>5972625
Shit, I forgot I own that glorious fucker.
>Be me a year ago
>See ROTF Bludgeon on local auction site
>Perfect condition
>Seller also got unopened upgrade kit for sale
>Get them for 40 bucks total shipping included
Did I do good?

>>5972580
>if I get one with the qc issue
Which one? All of them got the peg issue, it's a design flaw and not a qc issue.

>>5972592
That's pretty decent. I guess it's not remolded to be TR compatible?

>>5972688
If you enjoy the upgrade parts then you did very well.

>>5972688
Well, you did better than me. I paid about $43 USD.

He's referring to the cockpit hinge issue, where some copies have the hinge on the cockpit cracked due to manufacturing faults.

>>5972688
>That's pretty decent. I guess it's not remolded to be TR compatible?

Why would it be TR compatible? That Unicron is the 25th anniversary version that came out 5 years ago.

>>5972705
>Why would it be TR compatible?
For playability. Kids these days don't own minicons, they got Titan Masters.

>>5972718
Again. Why would they had made it compatible for a line that didn't exist yet when made?

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>>5972718

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>>5972722
>>5972728
I just think it would have been fun.

>>5972732
But asking something not on a toy that came out 5 years ago is just plain weird especially it came out 5 years ago. Check back again when the Platinum version gets released.

>>5972732
But they couldn't have done that. You're not getting it.

>>5972735
>Check back again when the Platinum version gets released
There's been a mix up, that's the one I was talking about. My bad.

>>5972570
What's the axe from?

>>5972766
It looks like one of the many energy weapons from Energon.

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>>5970954
New thread: >>5972881