Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Perturabo is a nice young man

>>55405711
Is this what happens in the first few milliseconds of being hit by a mletagun?

Where do I get new blight launcher models? Do I have to kitbash them?

Paint App's out boys. Go get it and maybe win over a 100 paints.

>>55405771
FW destroyer models

How many turns do non-competitive games typically last?

Xth for Deldar Bestdar!

>>55405771
I've got 2 from the '3 man boxes'.

I bought that box though because it has a champion with a plasma gun and power fist, which is a neat fucking combo that I wanna take on my Plague Marines. So 1 special weapon I like, and a sergeant with a cool weapon combo.

>>55405785
5
3 if one player is getting totally smashed

>>55405771
Easy to Build Plague Marines has a dude with one, so 12 yurobucks for a Blight Launcher dude, a Bolter dude and a Champ with way too much gear. Other than that, wait for the actual Plague Marine box.

>inb4 no Plague Marine box ever

>>55405804
thanks anon!

You can summon after disembarking.

>>55405796
Yeah I got that too, it's just the blight launcher dude is pretty distinctive and I don't want a duplicate.

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>>55405835

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>>55405790
Image.

Also, the paint app released early. It's not very useful.

>>55405854
Good thing his arm is a separate piece.

What's better?

D6 S8, ap-2, D3 damage

2d3, S7, a-1, 3 damage

2d3 and d6 are the same, so your str, ap and damage are what matters.

S8 is more impactful due to the thresholds it reaches. More so than 7 in a big way. Ap-1 or 2 is a difference whatever. Reliable damage is important though.

What would you prefer?

>>55405871
Thanks for sharing. I hope your dude does well.

>>55405873
Yeah, but as of right now there's no body with that same scale that you could put the arm on.

>>55405883
average and distribution of 2d3 and d6 are not identical

>>55405883
Second profile, reliable damage trumps 1 better ap and strength for me

Rate my murder Mobile:

Vanguard Detachment 1CP 673

HQ
Vulkan He'stan 154

Elite
Company Ancient -Combi Melta 82

Company Veterans 78
-Sarge Combi Melta Storm Shield
-Vet Meltagun Storm shield

Company Veterans 78
-Sarge Combi Melta Storm Shield
-Vet Meltagun Storm shield

Dedicated Transport
Razorback Heavy Flamer 99

>>55405927
Why?

Average of d6 is 3, average of d3 is 1.5.

1.5x2 = 3.

>>55405894
No problem. I have the 30th anniversary model as well if you need the info.

The Captain seems okay, but I don't see a points cost anywhere. 6 PL also seems a bit excessive considering that's the same price as 50 conscripts.

>>55405835
Chaplain Dreadnoughts can take the Armor Indomitus

Hey so how does this paint app contest work? Does it just randomly pick a device that downloaded the app and send a notification that they won?

>>55405953
Something like that, make sure notifications are enabled.

>>55405953
That's what the terms and conditions looked like

>>55405951
Sorcerers can take juggernaut as a mount

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>>55405946
>the stalest meme

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Just painted my first ever model.

C&C?

>>55405974
They cannot. A Juggernaut is not a piece of equipment you can take, it's an entirely separate datasheet and, to the surprise of nobody, there is no Sorcerer on Juggernaut of Khorne datasheet.

is the app available ?

>>55405946
Minimum of 1 vs minimum of 2. So 2d3>1d6

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>>55405755

>>55405983
Demidov is a silly name

>>55405947
Points cost will be in the codex so Primaris Captain+power fist+plasma pistol.

>>55405983
good for a first attempt, next time thin your paints more and be a bit neater.
Also consider drybrushing for easier highlighting and adding texture

>>55405883
2d3 is better than 1d6.

>>55405991
It's a meme you dip

>>55405983
>Just painted my first ever model.
You are a filthy fucking liar is what you are.

>>55405992
Yes.

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>>55406017
>he doesn't know the reply is part of the meme

>>55405983
Thin your paints.

>>55405883
2d3 is better than d6. 2-6 average 4 vs. 1-6 average 3.5. you also need to factor in the BS of the Crawler vs. the Predator. The Predator Autocannons is much better. What is in the Crawler's favor is the extra durability of 3+/5++/5+++.

>>55406032
I've failed you, master

>>55405983
>base is boring
>background has shadows visible, learn2photo
>right foot out of focus
>swords lazily painted in same way as rest of the armour, painter clearly didn't want to put any effort it
2/10 would not bang.

>>55405773
Really was wishing you'd be able to save your own color schemes on this app...

>>55406063
Yeah, I was hoping to test out color schemes using it...

>>55406063
It's what I asked for last year when I pitched the app idea to them, that and codex style blank paper dolls, guess they couldn't be assed.

>>55406063
>>55406082
At the very least there's those space marine painters and the SoB one, but those don't support paints at all.

Why haven't there been more fan made unit/army painters?

>>55405992
What app?

Oh nevermind, it isn't a list building app. Just a boring paint app. GW had one job.

>>55406127
the app app

>>55406127
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/15/the-citadel-paint-app-available-tomorrowgw-homepage-post-1/

>>55406124
Because it takes time and effort and geedubs could decide to sue them after.

>>55406020
Anyone got a link, because it's not showing up for me.

>>55406201
Look up any GW App and scroll down to "More Apps from GW"

>>55406201
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gamesworkshop.citadelpaint&hl=en

What are the chances you think of winning the free paints?

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/15/forge-world-focus-agripinaa-sep15gw-homepage-post-4/

Anyone talking about this? The trait seems kinda meh, but that strat is real damn nice. Respawning 6 kataphrons sounds dope as fuck, and dropping them right on the board is just icing on the cake

I wonder what's happening to the new kataphrons

>>55406221
Zero. Those paints are going to friends and family members of GW.

>>55406221
However many people download it to 1, with a chance for however many prizes they give out.

>>55406227
It's shit. You not only pay command points but reinforcement points for the strat to go off, since it creates a new unit. The dogma's meh at best, in a codex full of shit like Mars' 'take two canticles and call me in the morning' or Lucius' 'ignore the best part of heavy bolters/autocannons'.

>>55406279
>>55406227
Oh, and I forgot that in any game with kill points, it hands your opponent a free kill point because you removed a unit from the game.

>>55406279
Read it again. It doesn't create a new unit.

It is however shit.

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>>55406279
>creates a new unit

>>55406279
>You not only pay command points but reinforcement points for the strat to go off, since it creates a new unit.
No it doesn't and no you don't. Holy shit you people are so fucking bad at understanding Reinforcement points.

>>55405917
>Yeah, but as of right now there's no body with that same scale that you could put the arm on.
have you tried primaris marines?

>>55406279
>reinforcement points for the strat to go off, since it creates a new unit.
>Remove the chosen unit...
>...then set it up AGAIN

>not ...set up an identical unit.
>but set it up again

Same unit. No points (besides CP) required.

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Vanguard detachment

Chaplain Dreadnought = 204
2 fists, 2 stormbolters

Venerable Dreadnought = 177
twin lascannon, fist, heavy flamer
Mortis Dreadnought = 141
2 twin autocannons
Dreadnought = 139
multi melta, fist, storm bolter
Ironclad dreadnought = 162
seismic hammer, fist, heavy flamer, metlagun
Ironclad dreadnought = 162
seismic hammer, fist, heavy flamer, metlagun

Super heavy detachment
Knight Achron = 493

1498

Gonna try this out tomorrow. Probably won't go well.

>>55405946
>Average of d6 is 3,
no
3.5

Say I have an exalted sorcerer, but I want to use ahriman's rules because I don't want to spend another 40 bucks on a dude. Is this okay or not?

>>55406298
>Have an eldar unit that can retreat during a turn and set up again next turn.
>Everytime I do this I give my opponent killpoints

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Lads, I need your help. The 40k scene in my country is pretty much fucking dead. There's tons of old school players but they all quit years ago (5th and earlier). My buddy and I have been playing against each other at our club though and they've been asking questions and showing interest, especially since 8th un-clusterfucked the rules. They asked us to consider a tutorial day of sorts for oldfags and newbies to rekindle some interest.

I have no idea how to do that though. What would you, if you were an old-time player, want to see or get taught for you to gain interest back?

Observe a sample game with steps explained throughout, fielding one of every type of unit to cover everything? Bring two armies and play a sample game with one of the newbies while others watch and you explain?

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>>55406279
>>55406298
>You not only pay command points but reinforcement points for the strat to go off, since it creates a new unit.
>it hands your opponent a free kill point because you removed a unit from the game.

>>55406329
>casual game and you clearly explain it beforehand
fine with me
>tournament
no

>>55406298
No. Kill Points are for units that are destroyed at the end of the game.

>>55406339
Yes

>>55406313
Completely different armour. It looks incredibly off. I mean, I guess you could do it with a ton of Blightking parts and greenstuff, but why bother when you can just wait for the multi-part box?

>>55406279
>>55406298
Is it just one guy who is always completely retarded about understanding how RP/KP work or are there a bunch of you stupid shitters running around?

>>55406339
This country is?

>>55406227
That sounds like it'll be one of the Tau traits too.
I'm pleased there is a decent mix of new traits and not overdone recycling

>>55406368
He's the same guy who thinks you can't summon after disembarking.

>>55406339
>They asked us to consider a tutorial day of sorts for oldfags and newbies to rekindle some interest.
Thats a bit of a problem
because oldfarts will understand some concepts easy. Newbies, in my experience, often have problems at different things.
So you could make some sort of sample game, but then split into two groups (of one:D) and have one explain the basics (movement, shooting, melee) to the newbies and oldfart seperately

>>55406339

Ask them. If possible, split your army into two halves. Keep the lists simple. Your buddy does the same.

You both play a friendly game vs. someone interested. Explaining while you go.

>Observe a sample game with steps explained throughout, fielding one of every type of unit to cover everything?

Don't bring one of everything. That will be a bit overwhelming. Look at Start Collecting boxes for inspiration. Hero. Core unit. Big toy. Now add maybe another Core and an Elite and you'll be good.

What armies do you and your buddy have?

>>55406380
That's a completely different issue which is actually ambiguous until GW steps in and clarifies.

Reinforcement points on the other hand are super easy to understand.

>>55406363
>My son, the planet or me?
Come on man, don't do that.

>>55406339
Everything you said sounds pretty much exactly like what I'd do to reinvest former players. You should also make sure to exclude shenanigans like Girlyman and Birdnerd from anything besides a pure demonstration of the newer model designs.

>>55406379
Malta. 1 LGS, like 2 clubs (one of them is WAAC as fuck, the other is chill but almost no wargaming), no GW and the scene is pretty tiny.

>>55406386
That's a good point, I'll keep that in mind. But they're pretty chill and super patient. They know shitloads of boardgames by heart but they have no problem sitting down to explain how one is played to a newbie at any time.

>>55406388
I have Tau, CSM, Thousand Sons and some Necrons. He has BT and some IG.

Your SC idea is a good one. I can easily bring two or three small armies with me, say 500 or 600 points.

>>55405883
>2d3 and d6 are the same
No they are not. Learn to do distributions, not just averages.

D6
1 : 1/6
2 : 1/6
3 : 1/6
4 : 1/6
5 : 1/6
6 : 1/6

2D3
1 : 0/9
2 : 1/9
3 : 2/6
4 : 3/9
5 : 2/9
6 : 1/9

Does that look the same?

>>55405983
A subpar trailer for rubbish game.

>>55406452
The averages aren't even the same.

>>55406462
An amazing trailer for an utterly shit game, was what it was.

>>55405773

its not on the google play store, ya pinhead

Redpill me on a Deathwing army.

>>55406444
One other thing to recommend:
>Cheatsheets

I'd create a copy of all the Dataslates the trial army they'll use as well as an Army summary.

I found the thing that killed new players was flipping back and forth for rules.

>>55406444
Maybe you can get your LGS to break open some Dark Imperium sets and let newbies try them out.

>>55406483
I got it, yes it is.

>>55406465
If you're an idiot they're close enough for you consider the difference to be insignificant.

>>55406485
terminators

>>55406485
Awesome in theory. In practice, they're alright. You require a lot of command points because every dice roll matters and one key dice roll failing can cost you the game, but you can, at best, do Vanguards. Apothecaries are basically a must, and another command-point sink.

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How does this look for a DG list?

>>55406013
>>55405927
>>55406040
>>55406452
>taking the bait

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>trudging at a relentless pace with endless volleys ends up giving DG things like a lack of movement penalties for their weapons
>TS advance in a steady, relentless fashion but have a "withering hail of magical firepower"
What do you think Thousand Sons will be getting as their legion trait? Hard mode: more rubric focused rather than psyker/sorcerer focused

>>55406523
>Pretending to be retarded

>>55406513
Poxwalkers are shit if they aren't in 20 squads. Also LoC sucks.

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>>55406541
Ignores cover and rerolling wounds to buildings.

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>>55406542
He's not even me.

See your reply to him, no (you), but if I hover over one of the things, I get the (you)s.

Sad.

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>>55406542

>>55406479
Technically worse and less entertaining than Total War Warhammer trailers, let alone Halo Wars 2 or any other AAA game.

>>55406541
I was just thinking - we know Fabulous Bill makes new chaos marines. But what about the Thousand Sons and their Rubrics? I don't think they're going around and fucking over more of Bill's newly grown marines just to get more zombie armor. Aren't Rubrics, therefore, a finite resource?

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>>55406560
STOP

>>55406560
no
re-roll smite against buildings in cover

>>55406541
>What do you think Thousand Sons will be getting as their legion trait?

Pick one:
>1. All Psykers may cast one spell more than usual. This doesn't let you cast the same spell more than once.

>2. Add +1 to Manifestation and Deny the Witch rolls

>3. Add +1 to all Hit rolls when targetting an enemy unit that was targeted by a successfully manifested psychic power this turn.

>>55406489
I honestly wouldn't risk it. I don't much like the LGS, it tends to sell shit at a markup above GW itself and the guy relies on the toxic MtG community populated by shitload of teens with rich parents. Small store, a buncha years back some used to waltz over (two steps away, the tables were first come first serve, usually for TCGs) and pick up minis mid-battle. it's also tiny and there's a PS4 section always full of screaming kids playing FIFA. Avoid like the plague.

>>55406488
Fantastic idea, yes I'll have that! How're these for small armies? point or power level will need to be played with of course:

Tau: 10man Strike team, 10 man Pathfinders, Fireblade, Ghostkeel
CSM: 5-man CSM, DP, ExChamp, 10man berzerkers
TS: Termie Sorc, 2x 5-man rubric squads
Necrons: 10-man warriors, TranC'tan, Cryptek, 5man Lychguard

>>55406608
+1 to powers is already for GKs.

Might be 'roll 3 dice when rolling for psychich tests, discard lowest'

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>>55405983
Thin your lies
Apply the lie in several believable layers instead of all at once

>>55406513
1) Where did you find the point costs for the Surgeon and the LoC?
2) What is the point of this list? A single Roomba will only be useful as mobile cover, but you don't have enough shooting or, indeed, models, to take advantage of it. The Deathshrouds and the LoC are a nice termie bomb, but one that will waste your command points, since, if they fail the charge, they will likely be stranded for the rest of the game. And the 'walkers in 10 man squads are worthless. Yes, I get that you're going for the Battalion, but more command points don't help you if your army is shit.
Either go Typhus and go full Zombie mode or toss both HQs for a Daemon Prince, toss the 'walkers for another Elite so you can make a Vanguard detachment.

Someone explain to me why Orks pay more than double when they twin-link something when other factions pay double or less. Because I feel like I'm going insane here.

Big shoota = 6, twin big shoota 14
Rokkit = 12, twin rokkit = 28
Shoota = 0, kustom shoota = 4

For other factions
Marines(sisters for Multimelta, HB)
Assault cannon = 21, twin = 35
heavy bolter = 10, twin = 17
LAscannon = 25, twin = 50
Bolter = 0, twin bolter/storm = 2
Heavy Flamer = 17, twin = 34
Heavy Plasma cannon = 30, twin = 34
Multimelta = 27, twin = 54

>>55406574
>>55406571
Nobody cares.

>>55406544
>Also LoC sucks.
Wouldn't go that far. He's a beatstick and damn good at that, too. His problem was that he used to be horrendously overcosted, but he got a massive fucking points drop in the codex, so now he's at least decent.

>>55406634
How do you think Typhus works best?

I feel like his buff to poxwalkers is kinda wasted and shit.

He needs to teleport in cuz hes so damn slow but you can't have him babysitting some shitty poxwalkers all game.

>>55406624
Think that could be neat, though it honestly sounds like more of a stratagem to me.
>>55406608
2+ hits from shooting as long as I smite or something like that
Holy fuck that sounds fun.

>>55406642
>gets proven wrong
NOBODY CAREZ!! GOSH!

>>55406619
>How're these for small armies? point or power level will need to be played with of course:
Looks good to me. I'd personally try to give all armies two Troop options for feel personally (2×10 Fire Warrior for example)

For Thousand Sons if you can add something big that list will look a little boring to play.

But ya. Try to get them around the same PL/Pt and if they all have a cheatsheet let the new person pick what they want.

>>55406227
The trait is much better than the strat.

>>55406652
Congratulations.

>>55406379
I'm not sure they want to mix 5+ Overwatch with "The Greater Good".

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>>55406626

>>55406692
Oh and CFSD too
Might be nasty. Eh, what else would they get if not overwatch traits

>>55406669
The problem with TS is that they're all superelite. Including two rubric squads, a sorc and something big would likely trounce the rest through psychic dakka.

>>55406646
You just have him walk in with your gunline. He can them buff the Poxwalkers until it doesn't matter as much and he needs to do something else. If you want a porting HQ there are other options you'd be better off with.

The paint app is pretty good. Nice and smooth and intuitive.

It would be pretty good if they included step-by-steps but that would probably eat into revenue made by their How-to books.

>>55406646
Not sure where your problem is. With T4 the Poxwalkers do their job of being a thin dead line in front of your Plague Marines much better and the S4 helps them with their Conscript-munching. All the while Typhus can toss out buffs like candy. Yes, that whole army is slow, but with tons of Zombies for tarpitting and melee and the rest of your army laying down cover fire, you could go far. I mean, you could also grab Typhus and some Deathshrouds and go Termie-bombing, but this wastes his imo excellent Poxwalker buff.

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I'M STILL WAITING


DARK MECH SOON

>>55406541
The Tzeentch daemon trait like all the other cult troops.

>>55406379
>>55406692
>>55406709
Could see dark angels getting it though. Think they had a bonus to overwatch in 7th.

>>55406741
I think Duncan alone eats into revenue made by the how-to books, which is why they're slowly phasing those out.

>>55406741
The paint app is pretty much that chart they have up in every GW.
So far the only mildly useful thing I've noticed is the base painting section.

>>55406751
It's never coming out.
ever
ever

>>55406755
DA are probably getting "re-roll 1s to hit if stood still" like the Fallen have. It fits both the "never give ground" thing the greenwing do and the plasma spam.

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>>55406753
What?

>>55406751
Better hope the Tau dex is soon, cause that is what FW is waiting on apparently.

>>55406755
5+ Overwatch will probably be recycled a few times.
-1 to hit seems like it will be reused the most

>>55406829
He meant Disgustingly Resilient for DG and ASF for Emperor's Children

>>55406829
And Bersekers get +1A on the charge.

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>>55405854
Put that arm on another dude man it's too easy

>>55406864
I know that. I'm asking why he's saying that when I'm asking about legion traits, not individual rules. Even listed an example of what I'm talking about. Just sort of confused by his response.

>>55406890
Alright, I'll be clearer. It's probably +1 to your invulnerable save. I.e. identical to ephemeral form.

>>55406838
> yo FW why you so late on your book?
> AHH AHHH Beeeccaauusee... we ... are waiting.. ON THE CODEX DUH! I SWEAR! We aren't grossly incompetent! Honest!
FW is a fucking joke. They only sell models due to broken rules. They probably want to see the new rules to one up them.

>>55406917
Bullshit. They're stuck in a ridiculous spiral of sucking 7th Ed cock, wondering why nobody cares about 7th anymore and then making dumb as fuck 8th Ed rules and promptly forgetting about those rules. They made a dumb decision and then the one guy who knew why they did it went and kicked it, probably from snorting too much cancer resin. Now the only one with a fucking clue of what was going on is gone and FW can't get their shit together.

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How do I build this bad boy as Chaos ? Double Petard or Double Butchers ?

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How trash would a fluffy wych cult list be?

>>55406948
Don't put Blight on a fucking pedestal just because he kicked it. He held everything so fucking close to the chest, he is SOLELY responsible as to why HH has been going to shit for 3 years. The entire studio had no idea what the fuck was going on, they all just bleeted after Blight, who was driving them off a cliff.

>>55406227
Since their overwatch is "5+, instead of only 6 regardless of modifiers" does that mean that they can buff their overwatch shooting?

>>55407070
>regardless of modifiers
not just negative modifiers.

Coming from play Guard I wanted to start a Ultra Marine army.
What's the most fluff army for Smurfs?

>>55406829
>get to fire twice within 18"
What the fuck, so a plasma gun gets to rapid fire twice within 12" for FOUR shots?!
And a plague marine squad can take three guns?!

Wow, they really are the new WAAC faction.

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>>55406994
Give him a limp wrist, and, tight jeans. Perfect

>>55407083
>instead of
Come on anon, this isn't rocket science.

>>55407082
Anything, they're the generic uses everything chapter.

>>55407070
It literally says 5+ irrespective of modifiers.
No hole to exploit for you

>>55406917
Not to say FW is an example of competence and efficiency. But waiting for the relevant codices makes sense so they can have stuff on the same page. Like if GW changes a rule or stat point they don't have to FAQ a ton. Which is good cause it'd take them too long

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New to 40k, planning my dream list so I cut down on wasted dollars. Rate plz?

-- Space Marines, 2000 pts, White Scars Tactics --

++ Outrider Detachment ++

+HQ+

> Captain (Power Sword, Bolt Pistol) (78)

> Chaplain (Jump Pack, Bolt Pistol) (90)

+Troops+

> Scout Squad: x4 Scouts (Sniper Rifles), Sergeant (Sniper Rifle) (75)

> Tactical Squad: x7 Marines, x1 Multimelta, x1 Missile Launcher, Sergeant (Plasma Pistol and Chainsword) (179)

+Elites+

> Apothecary on Bike (82)

> Terminator Squad: x4 Terminators, Sergeant (192)

+Fast Attack+

> Assault Squad: x9 Marines, Sergeant (Eviscerator, Melta Bombs) (187)

> Assault Squad: x7 Marines, x2 Flamers, Sergeant (178)

> Assault Squad: x7 Marines, x2 Flamers, Sergeant (178)

> Assault Squad: x7 Marines, x2 Flamers, Sergeant (178)

> Assault Squad: x7 Marines, x2 Flamers, Sergeant (178)

> Bike Squad: x2 Bikes, Sergeant, Attack Bike (Multimelta) (145)

+Heavy Support+

> Devastator Squad: x4 Grav Cannons and Amps, Sergeant (177)

> Devastator Squad: x4 Grav Cannons and Amps, Sergeant (177)

+Dedicated Transport+

> Rhino (Hunter-Killer Missile) (78)

The idea behind the list is relatively simple. The Assault Squads swoop in with the Chaplain and annihilate the infantry. They fall back whenever they get into combat, use the flamers, and utilizing the white scars tactic, charge in again. With the Chaplain letting them reroll any misses, the effect should be devastating to any troops.

The Devastators are geared toward squishing enemy vehicles.

The Captain will be traveling with the Terminators.

The Apothercary will be traveling between rezzing the bikes and the termies, making both squads highly survivable pain trains.

I'm sure there are better lists out there, but this one satisfies my bloodlust for close combat.

Thoughts?

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>>55406948
Blights unfirtunate demise aside, the team is in a qaundry. Sounds like he was the sole shot caller, and, didnt share his direction with his very small team. The rudderless rule writing is evident in the FW stable. Bliggt wasnt perfect, but, he had toned down majority of units during the course of 7th.

FW needs to get a new dev lead in asap, and disseminate the intent and purpose of written rules, and overall direction of HH and 40k units
Might as well be pic related

>>55406639
Orkz pay a premium on dakka because they're more choppy than the other gitz.

>release the DG codex after the DG campaign ends
Why, GW, why? What was Morty even doing? Sitting on his arse throwing a widdle tanty?
He really is the failure primarch, no wonder armless Bullied him in to servitude.

>>55407083
It's just a 6" range boost to rapid fire weapons, read closer.

>>55407083
The trait has potential but for DG it only works to boost boltgun and plasma gun RF to 6'' further.

Thinking about it, I wonder if there is any faction that such a rule if gaining an identical copy would be OP?

>>55406639
I've shelved my orks until the codex comes out.

>>55407157
Death Guard stuff is really OP, but their army isn't really equipped to handle it.

A lot of their stratagems and general rules favour melee, but they aren't really a strong melee army.

Same with heavy weapons which they are good at. They don't have many of them too.

>>55405942
>700 points
>3 melta shots
>Vulkan
>Ancient

>>55406994
Give him the grav flux and the siege drill, and throw some spikes from the rhino/predator/indicator kit on him, maybe etched brass if it's available for your legion.

>>55407132

Whoops, added an extra assault squad by mistake, should be 4 assault squads.

Also, the rhino is there solely for the tac squad, which is there to be general purpose shooters, though their weapons give them an advantage against big units if they can get close enough to them without dying. Hence the rhino.

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>>55406874
A man with a color scheme after my own heart. What was are you using my man???

>>55406999

It's not that the wyches would be complete trash, it's that Hellions and. to a lesser extent, Incubi. are the new meta when it comes to close combat DE, so there's no reason to take them.

>>55407132
Too many guns, too few melee weapons.
Too many jump packs, too few bikes.

Their trait is to leave combat and then charge again so you're going to want to split your guys in to two halves, melee guys and shooting guys. Shoota guys spend their points on guns, melee guys on melee weapons and maybe one flamethrower.
Two flame throwers are just going to waste after you charge in and can't shoot them anymore.
It goes like this
>get in to combat
>melee guys leave combat
>not allowed to shoot anything whatsoever, not even pistols
>ranged guys shoot the guys they retreated from
>melee guys charge back in
>repeat until one side falls over

Death guard codex leak yet?

>>55406874
>>55407220
Sorry but I'm just not in the loop, how can you like that colour scheme? Maybe I'm just being a grumpy asshole, like the people who hate ripped jeans... but this just looks bad, even if it was on purpose.

>>55407283
Do you see it posted 7 times in this thread and in 3 separate threads?

That's your answer.

>>55407290
I think it's supposed to be their pre heresy scheme but all dirty.

>>55407290
Rotted and unkempt pre heresy scheme

>>55407303
>>55407318

You can achieve dirty looks without making the texture look dirty.

Thick paint is bad. Saying that thick paint is 'dirty and grimy' as an effect seems cheap.

>>55407267

Hmm, so ditch the second flamer from every squad, ditch a devastator squad, and then add in another melee squad?

I feel like the mass jump packs are important, since it will let them charge into combat much quicker. Are you saying I should get rid of most of them?

>>55407290
>Maybe I'm just being a grumpy asshole
It's exactly that. People have different tastes, particularly for Death Guard colour schemes which are commonly grimy and unclear to go with their entire motif. It's one of the unique elements of their design that can attract people.

The model is far from perfect, but it's at the very least passable and has a specific scheme it is looking to achieve, pre-heresy colours I'd assume.

>>55407323
Neither of those is particularly thick (Aside from the Nurgle's Rot). It's just how drybrushing or an uneven wash without edge highliting looks.

>>55407323
The paint on mine isnt thick. That example was actually a mini i fucked up on by trying an oil wash for the first time and mixed it poorly causing a later wash to bead and pool

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Here you see Mortarion, with his traditionally-numbered bodyguard.

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>>55405735
FOR THE SIEGE MASTER,FOR THE HAMMER OF OLYMPIA,FOR PERTURABO!!

BRING THEM IRON!

What's the most points efficient psyker you can include in an a alpha legion detachment? Sorcerers don't seem all that points efficient compared to malefic Lords, but I don't think I can include malefic Lords in an alpha legion detachment.

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Time for attention whoring

>>55407453
Post your cat instead.

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Death Shroud up for Pre-Order.

They aren't dual kit with Blightlords which is neat I suppose. Gonna get 1 set for sure. Even if they seem overpriced, rule of cool is important.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Death-Guard-Deathshroud-Bodyguard-2017

>>55407453
Its mortarion

>>55407397
Those bodyguards are so close to monopose it is unreal

>>55407397
With Mortarion, there's 7.

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>>55407453
Chinamen are careful

>>55407461
Soon

>>55407470
Better than Bane

>>55407467
Yeah once we knew the squad size was three it wouldn't make sense for them to be dual kit.

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'Knight of the Cog'

Wut

>>55407467
I was hoping they'd be a dual kit for Deathshroud and Chaos Lords and Sorcerers, cool models but I wont get them.

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>>55407453
C A T O S I C A R I U S
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S
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Ad Mech collectors edition looks pretty dope

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>>55407488
Well it didn't all get here in one piece, but I can hardly complain, easy fixes

>>55407408
Daemon prince maybe, in a weird way? He's not cheap, but it could be argued that if he's worth his points as a melee specialist, then the psychic powers are sort of "free" on top of that.

>>55407484
>rainierwolfcastle.jpg

>>55407493
>Those Knights that are favoured by the Cog-Blessing of the Omnissiah revel in the divine energies of the Machine God. With this bundle, you’ll be able to take advantage of the Adeptus Mechanicus Stratagem known as Knight of the Cog – keep the included Imperial Knight within 12” of the included Tech-Priest Dominus, and you can employ the Canticles of the Omnissiah rule to dominate the enemies of Mars in fine style.

>>55407493
>With this bundle, you’ll be able to take advantage of the Adeptus Mechanicus Stratagem known as Knight of the Cog – keep the included Imperial Knight within 12” of the included Tech-Priest Dominus, and you can employ the Canticles of the Omnissiah rule to dominate the enemies of Mars in fine style.

>>55407512
Those casts look very fucking good considering theyre recasts of old ork models

whose your guy?

>>55407510
Burning of Agrellan after Tau deus ex machina victory.

I want to create a batallion of Ultramarines and wonder how I should kit the sargents. I want to give them all combi plasma; and each of my space marine troops will have plasma, no heavy weapons.
With the remaining points I could either take 3 x 10 man and 2 x 5 man and 1 x 5 scout; or I could give all the sargents also a power fist and have 2 x 10 and 3 x 5 man.
What is better?

What's the 'that guy' rating of using a normal marine captain with Guliiman rules?

>>55407538
Z, they're all insanely good considering these are ten plus years old I think

Well worth the 300 burger bucks

>>55407512
Pretty jelly 2bh lad, I want to buy a bunch of stuff just to teach those FW fags a lesson for invalidating my megadread

>>55407576
0%. "Counts as" works for almost anything else. But the Primarchs are the Primarchs.

>>55407576
Does he pay the point cost? If so, I see no issue

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>>55407576
Beyond off the charts. Like I won't play you off the charts, which is damn rare for me.

Even though I have no idea of anything else, for that idea alone I have to say go fuck yourself with a rusty nail up the urethra. Dick.

>>55407576
models a totally different size, not happening.

>>55407523
I hope there's more than that to the Questor Mechanicus, because that's kinda pathetic. Still, 2+ Knights or Reroll One Knights isn't terrible, but we do need those CP already.

>>55407576
You should fucking kill yourself for being stupid enough to even ask that you dumb motherfucker. How about I use a bunch of Carnifexes for my Conscripts and grots for my Tauroxes?

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>>55407467
>an extra plaguespurter gauntlet – this is for an optional unit Champion, who has the option of wielding two of these.
Thats pretty neat

>>55407595
Considering the cost difference and the time it took to get here, which was 7 days, I'd say do it

What's a good Space Marine unit for countering a flying Hive Tyrant?

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>>55407467
FUCK! i thought i'd be able to check out the new blightlords kit this week. dammit, i want to seem dem sprues!

do we know when the blightlords are going up?

>Questor Mechanicus is literally just one strategem
Well... Okay then, so much for <Forge World> Knights

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Death Guard
>new faction, who should be just supplement
>33 datasheets
Adeptus Mechanicus
>3 factions from 7th ed combined together
>22 datasheets
POETRY

>>55407576
You need to put it on the proper 60mm or whatever base and also have a way to quickly and easily substitute the missing height, such as having a separate ruler set to guillimans height and treat the captain as taller than the model is. It also needs to have a power sword power fist and maybe bolted barrels on the fist. That's the only way it will work.

>>55407333
I'm saying melee weapons for melee guys so power weapons and big chain swords for 10 man squads, maybe not even a flamer.

The bikes wanna get more melta than just an attack bike.

Keep the devs but change their weapons to something like lascannons for anti tank.
What's the rhino doing? What are the captains doing?

Honestly your list seems kind of a mess, start with the start collecting and figure out what works from there. You can scrape the 2000 points together for cheap with eBay finds. Don't play, just but what's discounted and let fate guide you.

>>55407664
>3
What the third?

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>>55407630
>Countering

>>55407675
Knights I guess.

>>55407675
Cult Mechanicus
Skitarii
Knights

>>55407594
ive always been hearing about how good his casts are, ccon is nice but his selection is too limited

guess i gotta work at tracking down his email if I want that mastodon for $135

>>55407675
Knights. Does anyone think they'll be able to double gun? That shit would be so tight

>>55407659
Not neccesarily. It just means they don't have the "Canticles of the Omnissiah" rule on their datasheet.

>>55407664
AdMech are the NPCs of Imperium armies and deserve a light hazing.

>>55407664
No more supplements, Anon.

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>>55407684
>>55407680
>>55407697
Knights are being folded into mechnicus?
i mean, i guess that makes sense

>>55407686
>135$ mastodon
Oh Christ me too man. I'd kill for those prices, I had no idea he was that cheap

>>55407721
Questor Mechanicus are. Questor Imperialis will still be an independent thing.

>>55407617
I'm okay with you using carnifexes as conscripts. That's modeling for disadvantage anon.

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>>55407686
It's way fucking easier than you think, got it from a 2014 forum post on yoyhammer, good luck!

Also don't tempt me with that badass model....

>>55407664

A lot of the DG ones are shit though.

>Sorcerer
>Sorcerer in Terminator armour
>Lord
>Lord in Terminator armour
>Grenade Guy
>Tallyman
>Bell Boy
>Flamer Dude
>Plague Doctor
>Daemons even though they aren't part of DG

>>55407629
Is it not a lot of hassle though? Everyone seems secretive as fuck (which is understandable I guess) and it seems like a lot of work to get into the secret inner circle.
I hope one of them has the original battle fortress though, those FW shits don't even make it anymore and it was great.

>>55407680
>>55407684
Doesn't seem like knights are in the AM dex

>>55407730
The Gargantuan Squiggoth was only 135 too, he's insanely cheap and obviously you can see his quality is damn good

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>>55407740
>Grenade Guy
>Tallyman
>Bell Boy
>Flamer Dude
>Plague Doctor

>Shit
No

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>>55405835

>>55407664
>Skitarii
>Cult Mechanicus
>factions
Eh, nah. That has been bullshit from day one. They were one faction artificially split into two books.

>>55407765
Shit as in, having that as your '33 datasheets' may as well lower it by 4 since its just 1 model that does a specific thing or buffs a certain way.

Same with the Lord and Sorcerer, may as well remove 2 from the total.

And Daemons, which are there just for convenience. So remove 4.

Now you've got 22 vs 23 or so.

>>55407765
All of them are slow as molasses though.

>>55407742
It is super easy m8, see >>55407738

And Z has the Battle Fortess in his catalogue, which is easily found on Yoyhammer

>>55407740
Index rehashes are shit yeah, not even fucking DR.

>>55407756
Yes they are:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/10/codex-adeptus-mechanicus-and-deathshroud-terminators/

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>>55407630
Deredo Dread

>>55407794
You mean like the WHOLE army?
>>55407792
i mean sure, but only if you think a warpsmith and dark apostal are the same thing. i agree with the rest though

>>55407630
Stormhawk

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THE SOUTH WILL WAAAGH AGAIN

>>55407816
C'mon man, having 5 different small base dudes that cost 70 points is hardly 5 different datasheets in terms of expressing difference.

Knights weren't folded into AdMech
They even have their own <>, so they'll get their own focus.

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>>55407461
And the cat

>>55407852
You're a fucking retard, anon.

>>55407843
beyond their state lines they are very different in terms of gear, rules and role.

>>55407816
Slow armies suck dude.

>>55407852
They're splitting the two types of knights anon.

>>55407869
Sure but its just 1 cheap ass model.

>>55407467
What's with all the fucking bells on the new DG anyway?

>>55407892
>like, how are melee DG even a thing, just close your eyes nigga, just like walk away

>>55407862
Nice dog.

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This is my new snakebite bannerboy yoof zugzug. Say something nice to him!

>>55407220
What white is that, Ursha Bone?
What blue is that
what slime green?

saving this image just incase someone dosent answer me

>>55407911
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDnS4pkmzis

>>55407911
Plague/Leprosy bells.

>>55407925
A legitimate question.

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>>55407892
>he foot slogs his deathguard

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>>55407911
Longstanding Nurgle imagery. Death Knells and all that.

>>55407930
He's shoiny.

>>55407467
>static pose on a non starter set model

I really hope this is a one time thing

>>55407938
>>55407892
>Rhino
>landraider
>deepstrike
>ranged weapons
dude, they get a buff to the range of rapid fire weapons you mong

>>55407840
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kWADI4umuM

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>>55407892
>elite infantry without transports

>>55407911
Funerary bells have been a symbolism of death for centuries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZCWEARVLis

>>55406626
kek

>be new to 40k
>read some fluff
>love tyranids
>hate their dumb guns
is it at all viable to run melee only? At least until I can develop the conversion skills to make every tyranid with a ranged weapon not look so.., shit. If you're into it that's cool but CHRIST have I never felt so conflicted.

>>55407933
The white just looks like white washed in Agrax Earthshade. The blue is Nihilakh Oxide. The green is Nurgle's Rot. They're GW technical paints.

>>55407963
Monopose has been standard for GW plastics for years now.

>>55407737
>120 carnifexes at max coherency
>disadvantage
I don't think you understand the point of conscripts

>>55407953
I'm wondering who felt it was necessary to edge highlight/do light spots even on the intestines inside his body.

>>55407935
>>55407936
>>55407953
>>55407977
Right y'all are. Can't believe I didn't get that beforehand. Pretty cool.

>in paint app
>wonder what colours they used for X
>click on it
>the guide looks nothing like the picture
What's the fucking point of this thing then? The app is trash.

>>55408014
'Eavy Metal

>>55407911
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg92QpjRcJk

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Working on making Magnus look good.

Started with his retarded head. He doesn't look like a cyclops at all, just like a dude squinting.

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>>55407738
email acquired

now all I need to do is win this tournament on sunday and put the prize money into what is likely the most idiotic model to use in the game

>>55408027
buty why

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>>55408029
The fuck is that shit

>>55407988
Thanks my man, Im glad we had (you)s like (you)

>>55406000
Ha.

>>55406994
double grav flux is the only correct way

rapes infantry and vehicles....whats not to love all purpose hate rape

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>>55408029
Tell me this is just a bad joke.

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>>55408029
there is a literal cyclops option. Is this some meme I don't know about?

>>55408029
>Fenris changed Magnus, Magnus howled in grief. AWOOOOOOO

>>55408041
They're paid to paint with excessive detail and blending. GW wants their models to look really sharp in promotional shots. Just compare official GW shots to official FW shots and you can see the difference that attention to detail makes.

>>55408040
Is it actually bad? I haven't looked at its actual rules

>>55408018
It's a bit too on the nose for me but it works. I can see a few units like the bell guy packing a bell, but when everyone has like fifteen per model, it just becomes silly. We get it, death symbolism. Then again they lost their white armor since the Heresy so I suppose they needed something a little less subtle this time.

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>>55405711
Soon

>>55408062
Those are some Zodd tier horns.

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>>55408029
>>55408042
I believe its bait.

>>55407965
>Using non open topped transports

>>55408029
There are no wolves on Fenris.

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>>55408074
>>55408062
>>55408061
>>55408042

Its a WIP.

Here's the latest stage.

>>55408029
>"Two can play at this game, Space Yiffs!"

>>55408062
>Trying to jerk off to stereoscopic porn.jpg
I fucking hate that head option.

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>>55408029
GET OUT OF MY GIMMIK YA MILKSOP

>>55408041
>why don't they just basecoat and wash their display models

>>55407933
My models is just primes with krylon matt white and i shit it up with agrax earth shade.

>>55408102
I dont think it is
>>55408103
oh fuck off gazgul, no one likes you

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>>55408029
>gallons of superglue everywhere on the kit
>furshit head
Jesus fuck stop. I don't even like Magnus and I'm fucking triggered. You win, you got me. Take it off.

>>55408106
why not a bird head? you know... cuz of tzeentch

>>55408106
I know you're getting at the Egyption Anubis imagery to tie with the tson things.
It just seems really awooo at first

>>55408131
Ghazghkull

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>>55408106
Nigga, no, stop
STOP

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The next major should just ban FW. Y/N?

>>55408148
Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka

>>55408153
Yes.

>>55408040
>abloobloo legit shit is way too expensive
>I'm gonna buy this $135 paperweight

I don't get you guys. At least buy cheap recasts of stuff that will be useful

>>55408153
N, make all FW units 0-1

>>55408096
Yeah I would personally take a lot of them off. Imagine the fuckin' din when fighting them. It's like hey guys, noise is Slaneesh's thing. HQs with big bells, fine, they're heralds of approaching death in many senses of the word, but the rest kinda off-putting.

>>55408153
Reece said people are ticked about FW balance.
But balance is mainly screwed by Malefics and mega chicken, why not ban those instead of eliminating tons of cool stuff

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>>55408148

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>>55408153
> being this much of a faggot consistently over multiple threads

>>55408168
Not quite Nazdreg

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>>55408106
>making Magnus a Space Awoo

>>55408153
FWfag here, yes. At least until Chapter Approved fixes their shit or they stop being completely retarded.

Sucks to lose my HQ but 8E cannot support FWs bullshit like 7E could.

>>55408153
No. Fw models are fluffy and fun. Without fw And the unique rules, 8th would be duller than kooter brown after a 3 day drunk.

>>55408080
Well yeah, the FW models usually look way better. A bit of weathering and effects go a long way making the models look a bit less like childs toys. Now don't get me wrong, there's time and models where a very clean, crisp paintjob is completely fine, but on the Herold of a god of despair and plagues? I don't think so.

>>55408194
>>55408206

FW WAACfag found.