Warhammer 40.000 General /40kg/

Any advice on my army?

2400 points "Shooty Ultramarines army"

Brigade Detachment +9CP

HQ [27 PL, 483pts]

Captain [5 PL, 101pts], Combi-plasma [15pts], Power fist [12pts]
-> Upgrade to Chapter Master
Librarian [6 PL, 109pts], Force stave, Storm bolter
Primaris Librarian [7 PL, 105pts]
Lieutenants [9 PL, 168pts],
//Chainsword, Combi-plasma [15pts], Jump Pack [1 PL, 18pts]
//Chainsword, Combi-plasma [15pts]

Troops [43 PL, 715pts]

2 x Tactical Squad [9 PL, 158pts]
Space Marine Sergeant [28pts], Chainsword, Combi-plasma [15pts]
Space Marine w/ Plasma gun [13pts]
8x Space Marine [104pts]

2x Tactical Squad [5 PL, 93pts]
Space Marine Sergeant [28pts], Chainsword, Combi-plasma [15pts]
Space Marine w/ Plasma gun [13pts]
3x Space Marine [104pts]

1 x Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts]
Scout Sergeant [11pts], Bolt pistol, Chainsword
4x Scout w/Boltgun [44pts]

Elites [15 PL, 308pts]

Company Ancient [4 PL, 78pts], Combi-plasma [15pts]
Dreadnought [7 PL, 162pts], Twin lascannon, Dreadnought combat weapon w/Storm Bolter
Primaris Apothecary [4 PL, 68pts]

Fast Attack [22 PL, 401pts]

Bike Squad [9 PL, 161pts]
Biker Sergeant
2x Space Marine Biker w/Bolt Pistol
2x Space Marine Biker w/ Plasma gun

Bike Squad [9 PL, 165pts]
Biker Sergeant
2x Space Marine Biker w/Bolt Pistol
2x Space Marine Biker w/ Grav-gun

Scout Bike Squad [4 PL, 75pts]
Scout Biker Sergeant [25pts]
2x Scout Biker [50pts]
2x Twin boltgun [4pts]

Heavy Support [25 PL, 493pts]

Devastator Squad [8 PL, 170pts]
Space Marine Sergeant
4x Space Marine w/ Missile launcher

Devastator Squad [8 PL, 184pts]
Space Marine Sergeant
4x Space Marine w/ Lascannon
Armorium Cherub [5pts]

Predator [9 PL, 139pts]
Predator autocannon [49pts]

Concept:
The chapter master, apothecary, librarian, ancient, and 1 lieutenant stay with the bulk of the troops for rerolls
The Devastators, Predator and Dreadnaught stay with a lieutenant,and I use "Wisdom of the ancient" each turn on the Dreadnaught
Bikes for flanking

>>55386738
>2400 points
Jesus anon, that's alot to read through and some terrible fucking formatting.
>brigade detachment
Well first off you need six troops minimum for that so it's illegal.

>>55386549
>>55386549

>>55387276
all you did was bump the thread.

I had a minor aneurysm and bought the latest copy of white dwarf, the 30th anniversary one. It's still shit.

Remember when you'd get a breakdown of each army list with why the players picked this units and how they plan to use them ?

Now you get units seemingly chosen at random and thrown together with no thought.

Remember when battle reports were written with thought and clarity and actually broke down the game turn by turn?

Now they consist purely of massive glossy images with both players entire turns, in a 4k+ game none the less, summarised in a blurb and a few footnotes, as if they didn't even bother to play the game.

Remember when you got a thoughtful summary from both players of what went right and wrong and what they'd do next time?
Now you get Guilliman is good lol.

I get that printed battle reports are old hat now video ones exist but would be nice if good quality ones were still a thing as you don't always have 2 hours to watch two people Duke it out on YouTube.

>>55387630
Rekt fag

>>55386683
look just because i love the feel of a cock in my mouth doesnt make me gay. I'm no Dark Angels player ok?

get it straight

Anyone have scans of the new DG lore?

>>55388040
You posted this last thread and didn't get any yous so you post it here?

>>55388947
Thanks to you, it worked.

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>>55388069

>>55388040
Yeah, it's sad.
It's why I dont buy white dwarves.

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What's this chapter called?

Some cool ones at my LGS.

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>>55389305
Centurions though...

>>55389305
>>55389329
Nova Marines? I think?

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so 40kg, given the rampant shitposting, dubtardery, politics, and other nonsense that consumes these threads, how about we talk about what things should be like?

Describe the ideal 40kg poster. If you can think of any that fit that description, describe them.

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Who makes the best video battle reports? Everything seems kind of terrible for this game

>>55389354
me.

>>55389373
I like Grim Resolve

What's the power level to points conversion?

>>55389373
Tabletop Tactics I would say, Winters SEO isnt too bad, also like Emperors Crusade

>>55389354
>Describe the ideal 40kg poster
This does not exist

>>55386683
Chart-anon, where art thou?

>>55389411
roughly 1:20

50 PL is ROUGHLY equivalent to 1000 pts.

>>55389305
>>55389329
Reversed Sons of Guilliman or reversed Novamarines.

>>55389305
Novamarines or Sons of Guilliman

>>55389354
Not a WAACfag, but decently versed in rules and knows how to use them so he can play decently or give good advice. Still makes fluffy, fun lists. Not sure what else one would be able to tack onto that quite yet.

>>55386738
You only have 5 Troop slots out of 6 filled for a Brigade.

>>55389373
Tabletop Tactics for more serious games. Striking Scorpion has better casual games.

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>>55389354
You have to go back.

>>55389421

It's relative, but that's why we converse about it. What do you think makes a post good or bad?

>>55388040
Well newest editions of WD are shitty.
>shitty battle reps
>no interesting fluff
>primaris are so awesome
>classic 40k art with primaris on it

>>55389447
I would like SS so much more if he'd stop putting the same music and "battle lore" for 2 minutes at the beginning of every vid

>>55389447
I'd disagree. I think now that most of the tabletop tactics are the riffraff playing one another with Laurence just spectating they're mostly pretty casual. When he plays it's usually better, his grasp of gameplay (not necessarily rules) is so much better than theirs.

>>55389458
There are no good posts on /tg/ by definition. Anyone who posts here is bottom of the barrel shit stain just by being here

>>55389438

Are those descriptions of a player, a 40kg poster, or both?

>>55389373
I'd say Tabletop tactics, easy to follow, good camerawork, knows what to cut and what to keep.

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>>55389354
One with trips.

>>55389481
Yes.

>>55389479
lose an argument on /tg/ recently anon?

You can summon after disembarking.

Is it worth spending 24 points for servitors in a vanguard detachment to get another command point

>>55389572
of course 24 points is worth another command point

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>>55389572
Yes.

>Mortarion, despite costing 50pts more, is weaker than Magnus simply because he lacks access to Hereticus discipline

Uhh, 40ktards?

>>55389611
Mortarion is in a stronger legion overall, with more unit variety.

>>55389373
Tabletop Tactics is the best

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>>55389354
The problem is while people WANT to talk about 40k, they have nothing to actually say about it so they just go to /40kg/ and end up shitposting.

Like, hey, I like crimson slaughter and I haven't been able to get any games recently. I'm thinking of going back to my guard in time for the codex, I've not been feeling very strongly towards them for awhile but for some reason I want to play them again.

That's it, that's all I have to say. Have a picture form one of my games.

>>55389611
Mortarion is more versatile.

His 18 attacks option is great vs hordes and characters while his 6 attacks are great vs vehicles. Magnus is only good vs vehicles and characters.

Mortarion also has some good shooting options, which aren't as good as Magnus' smite but still very good.

Mortarion also does a lot more for your army than Magnus who gives a few small auras. The -1t aura is absolutely huge for a lot of things like bolters, plaguespitters and so on. Lots of thresholds get crossed.

>>55389354
>thread full of shitposting
>you keep coming back
must not hate it that much

>>55389560
no you can't, fuck off.

also inb4 you try gaslighting by calling me a waacfag.

>>55389611
You shouldn't ever directly compare units between armies because you lose the context of the army overall. For example a melee option in the tau army has much more inherent value than a similar unit in tyranids because of the deficit of melee options for tau. This asymmetrical design is intentional and is what makes the game interesting. Shooting units for tau conversely will be better and cheaper than those for melee centric armies. If every army had equal efficiency options for all roles then every army would be the same, and that would be boring as shit. The enjoyment of the game is playing around your weaknesses and capitalizing on your strengths.

Is there a good army builder for 8th edition? A quick Google search came up with one that has been taken down,
so is there any other ones out there or am I stuck with doing it the old fashion way

>>55389681
You are a waacfag. You want one of the least competitive armies in the game right now to be even easier for you to beat by taking away one of their one good tactics.

What's the most efficient way to kill Guilliman, Magnus or Moortarion? All of them seem criminally undercosted for how tough they are, nevermind their offense or utility.

>>55389665
>can't use spell of lmao infinite move to get into enemy lines turn 1

>>55389684
Battlescribe is okay if you're using mobile, but you'll need the book too so you can know squad limits and how many units can take a special weapon etc.

>>55389611
>Mortarion, despite costing 50pts more, is significantly tougher than Magnus simply because he has access to his Daemonic Bonus (Disgusting Resilience) while Magnus lacks his (Ethereal Form)

Uhh, 40ktards?

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>>55389684

>>55389684
battlescribe.

>>55389699
>can't use spell of lmao infinite move to get into enemy lines turn 1
Morty is a Heretical Astartes.

Bring a Sorcerer from the Guards of Death Warband and cast Warp Time on Morty

>>55389697
Never faced them personally but perhaps lot's of small unit fire or chopping? Or alternatively pick them off from a distance with high damage weapons. But I heard Mortal Wounds can really fuck them up easily too since they have a lot of saves but there isn't really much of a reliable way to get that aside from Smite spamming.

>>55389335
How do I get Chinman contacts to get recasts?

>>55389693
>only reason to care about summoning after disembarking is to give a cheese tactic to a minmaxing army
>WAAAAAAH STOP BEING A WAACFAG BY GETTING PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THE RULES

>>55389703
>3++ rerolling 1s Magnus
Sheesh, thank fuck he doesn't have it.

>>55389739
You aren't following the rules. You're contorting the definition of words to rules lawyer good tactics for chaos away from them.

What imperial army do you play fag?

Is there any reason not to ally a generic chaos psyker for warptime and death hex?

>>55389684
Battlescribe, Anon. Or a pen and paper.

>>55389737
by the power of autistic detective work of scouring yoyhammer for bits and pieces
or you go see if any ebay recasters are up, they nuke their profiles every now and then but there are some

>>55389751
thousand sons.

>>55389703
>Magnus with Weaver of Fates is tougher than Mortarion with Miasma of Pestilence
>Magnus usually starts with Changeling nearby

Try again, bud.
>>55389730
>no +2 to cast

>>55389697
Ignoring him and murder his army. Between the two, Magnus is faster, allowing him to close the gap, and can both do more mortal wound damage and remove invu. Morty is probably better in general, as he does more damage to the gunline, although gunline might just murder Mortarion within a turn. He's about as tanky as Knight, without any buffs.

>>55389693
>wanting people to follow the rules is waacfaggotry

fucking called it.

you lost the argument in the last thread, so I assume you're just going to keep posting this shit in new threads until no-one argues and call yourself the victor.

>>55389684
>not doing it on paper or on notepad
it's like you want to take all the fun out of it

>>55389758
Not really no. Dark Hereticus is an extremely strong discipline. You can even give him MoN so he doesn't catch your own space aids.

>>55389787
I haven't lost anything yet, because you still haven't justified your ESL interpretation of the rule.

I've got an assault cannon razorback with a captain with relic blade alongside 3 stormshield melta company veterans And I'm looking to add the last two bodies in that vehicle

Whats a good compliment for them? CC? 3 meltaguns seem like enough firepower to take on anything thats not a primarch or a knight

>>55389775
>Magnus with Weaver of Fates is tougher than Mortarion with Miasma of Pestilence
Magnus has to cast WoF. If you don't go first it means your buffless vs. Alpha Strikes.

Also DR works on Mortal Wounds. 3++ doesn't.

>Magnus usually starts with Changeling nearby

How does Magnus have both? Magnus big deal is Warp Timing across the battle field. Changeling cannot keep up.

>>55389697
A Lord of Skulls does the job in a suitably over the top fashion.

>>55389684
I prefer using Google sheets. Battle Scribe is okay though. Be sure to download the developer version of Java if you do though. Fucking Oracle.

>>55389560
No.

>>55389758
>>55389808

Death Hexing whatever you point Morty at or warp time him.
Ouch

>>55389697
Unit of Plague Marines with Grenademan. Grenade Stratagem + Vet of the Long War Stratagem.

>5 Models throw 5d6 grenades each dealing a Mortal Wound on a 5+ PLUS each failed save is 2 damage

>>55389373

Who makes good text battle reports? I hate video battle reports and have a strong nostalgia for 90's white dwarf.

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I really like a few really big tough units that act as juggernauts and I really like Crusaders, so how does this look for 1500 points?

>Chapter Tactics: Black Templars
HQ:
>Captain w/ Terminator Armor, Storm Shield (Shield Eternal) and Thunder Hammer
>Emperor's Champion

Troops:
>Crusader Squad w/Power Maul, Chainsword and BP
>Crusader Squad w/Power Axe, Chainsword and BP
>Crusader Squad w/Power Fist, Chainsword and BP

Elite:
>Ironclad Dreadnaught w/ Chainfist, DCCW with Heavy Flamer, Meltagun, Grenade Launchers
>Terminator Squad

Heavy Support
>Centurion Devastator Squad w/ Missile Launchers and Lascannons

Dedicated Support
>Razorback w/ Heavy Bolter
>Razorback w/ Heavy Bolter
>Razorback w/ Heavy Bolter

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>>55389810
>instead of moving
>instead
>moving
disembarking counts as moving. You're not 'giving up your move', you're summoning 'instead of moving'.

The rules for both are CLEARLY written in the rules. Just for clarity, here's the definition of 'instead'.

Because disembarking IS a move, even if the unit can move effectively twice, the unit DID MOVE, which means that it cannot summon, because the summon only functions INSTEAD of a move.

not 'if the character did not make its normal move'.

not 'if the character disembarked from a vehicle'

INSTEAD of choosing to move. With disembarking, it DID move.

>>55389877
Go here. >>55387355

>>55389846
DG really do seem just ridiculous

>>55389737
Just go on the Yoyhammer subreddit. People post up Z and Alpharius's Catalogs there quite frequently, and also post up bits and pieces of Z's email.

You obtain Alpharius's email by literally just asking him for it in a reddit message. You gotta find out who is the real Alpharius first, but even that's easier than piecing together Z's email from bits and pieces that people post when trying to ask for confirmation. Stuff like, "I have *****@***.163, is this the correct address"? And then you combine them.

Alpharius posts frequently on yoyhammer, just search through the posts until you find something that seems awfully suspicious.

>>55389814
>muh alpha strike

That's the point of Changeling bud. You then get to cast Weaver of Fates so you can leave him to buff Horrors and Smite fuckers in the back row

>mortal wounds

Good luck getting enough of them on Magnus, given his volume of wounds, speed and ability to deny.

>>55389846
What are the stats on Blight Grenades?

>>55389902
Plague Marines are slow as shit, so no one gives a fuck.

>>55389902
They will be toned down.

>>55389684
Excel or your spreadsheet format of choice if you want auto addition and clean formatting.

>>55389925
Don't really need it though? It's weaker than current meta.

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>>55389810
>count as having moved
how is this ESL?
>Note though, that EVEN IF YOU DON'T MOVE DISEMBARKING UNITS FURTHER IN YOUR MOVEMENT PHASE, THEY STILL COUNT AS HAVING MOVED FOR -ANY- RULES PURPOSES

You're a retard.
T. a chaos player that actually plays the game and reads the rules.

>>55389901
Why the fuck would someone make a separate thread for lists. This is the 40k general we don't need a separate thread to actually discuss the fucking game.

What are the average wounds of a meltagun rerolling to hit and wound against a rhino

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>>55389846
>napoleonic warfare 40k
Space grenadiers, I had no idea I wanted this so much before
DG here I come

Chaos Index mentions that Be'lakor is a unique Daemon Prince, the only one who is undivided.

Where does that leave Perturabo and Lorgar?

I think Lorgar can be a Tzeentch Daemon prince due to his desire for knowledge, his schemes and so on.

Perturabo can be maybe Khorne, due to his bloodthirsty nature and the massacre at the Iron Cage which led to his accension, or Slaanesh due to his desire for perfection.

>>55389989
Do simple math, holy shit.

>>55389996
dont start this same carnac shitfest again, Anon

>>55389996
Don't start old shit again.

>>55389989
>8/9*8/9*3.5

Assuming BS+3, anyway.

>>55389989
67% chance to wound
average damage 3.5, 4.5 if half range
save neglected

>>55389978
Different anon, mind taking a closer pic on those red Rubrics?

>>55389908
To add to this, only use simple english while emailing Chinaman. He's called Chinaman for a reason. His english comes from Google Translate.

"Hello Z, I am a new customer. I am ordering the following"
- 1x K213
- 2x K214
- 4x F35
"My paypal email is ******@****.com"
"My shipping address is:"
[shipping information]

He will then send an email with a copy of the invoice, and ask in his broken as fuck english if it's all correct. You check out what he sent, make sure everything is correct. And then ask him to send it to paypal. Then you just pay the invoice once it arrives, and he will then send the tracking information.

At this point there's a couple do nots.

DO NOT OPEN A PAYPAL DISPUTE, FOR ANY REASON. Your recasts WILL show up once paid for, it just takes time to get from china to other parts of the world.

SEND AN EMAIL TO Z IF ANYTHING IS WRONG. If something is unsalvagable or completely broken, Z will replace it if you send him pictures in an email. He won't if you open a dispute on paypal, since this causes problems for him, and will likely get you blacklisted.

>>55389989
Exact based on given, at 3+ to hit, 2.5. Do math, don't beg, holy shit.

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>>55390032
They're not done yet.

Are these decent superficial descriptions of the founding chapters? Trying to get a friend in 40K.
>Roman exemplars
>Prussian turtlers
>Merciful pyros
>Ruthless cyborgs
>Depressed commandos
>Viking werewolves
>Mongol bikers
>Catholic vampires
>Mistrustful knights

>>55390026
Thanks that means 3 is plenty for most targets

>>55390079
Good shit, good shit

>>55389697
Deathstrike missile, optionally backed up with a trojan support vehicle to grant rerolls to all hit rolls. 3d6 hits that do a mortal wound each.

You only get one shot, but it's a hell of a shot.

What's the most points efficient way to deal with enemy hordes as alpha legion?

>>55390086
Seems good to me Anon.

>>55390086
Arrogant Sorcerers
Bloodthirsty Barbarians
Bitter Siegemaster

>>55390143
Berzerkers.

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What's looking good and what's lookin shit units-wise for Papa's Bois?

>>55390079
Pre-Heresy TSons colors are based. Most of the traitor legions had great pre-Heresy schemes honestly.

>>55390086
Why would you introduce him to the most boring factions in 40k if you want to get him into 40k?

40k has vampire space fae, monastic space elves who don't mind genocide, evil mind controlling commie aliens, brainsucking eldritch alien infiltrator cults, the inspiration for the zerg, soccer hooligan fungi monsters, etc, etc.

And you choose to start your pitch with "hokay, we'll there's some tall guys who are good at shooting and hitting things"

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>>55390086
>Prussian turtlers
>Not Proud Masochists

Do you even 7th legion bro?.

Are Blight Drones and Bloat Drones different?

>>55390086
With descriptions like that you will probably chase them away. You suck OP

>>55390177
Deathshroud is stupid expensive, Plague Marines are ok I guess and Terminators look good. Everything works so far, its all varying degrees of good.

DG seem like a good codex so far and it'll easily be top tier contender.

>>55390184
I'm mixing my colours as both pre- and post-heresy because afaik, fluff-wise, only ahriman's thousand sons are supposed to be blue, since those were the colours he adopted when he made the Prodigal Sons.

Same with their ouroboros logo. I ordered in a transfer sheet to get their pre-heresy heraldry too.

>>55390211
I bet you thought necrons were top tier when the indexes came out.

>no ryza rule leaks yet
GIMME NOW

>>55390086
>>55390186
This. Show him the whole setting, not just one part of it.

>>55390177
Good:
Morty, ty guy, pox, daemon tanks, drones, blightlords* Most elite nerds

Ok:
both termies

Bad:
Unbuffed PM, plague surgeon

>>55390186
He specifically wants to start Space Marines.

I heard that Plague beast rules have been slightly changed in the DG codex. Can someone tell me changed how? Are they worth summoning?

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Is white dwarf worth a sub?
I keep hearing mixed things about it.

>>55390211
>top tier

No.

They have no mobility and they are overcosted as fuck.

+1t and 5+FNP are not worth the amount of points they slap onto everything.

So you have a slow and overcosted army, which excels at what? Mortal wounds in the 7" radius... but you suck at melee. So shooty armies just kite you, and melee armies will just charge you and kill you since you suck in melee.

>>55390228
it was leaked yesterday
>ryza has perfected exceptionally strong weapons technology, to the point that no entrenched position can last long against them. Enemy units do not benefit from cover when a RYZA unit fires at them, and RYZA units may reroll failed wound rolls against BUILDINGs

>>55390086
If I guess right is it like this?
Ultramarines
Imperial Fist
Salamanders
Iron Hands
Ravenguard
Space Wolve
White Scars
Blood Ravens
Dark Angels

just loyalist i see, you should try making some for traitors too. this are pretty good if I guessed correctly.

>>55390244
+1 wound IIRC?

>>55390244
+1W, no.

>>55390239
well make sure to show him
>psychotic drug-addled rockers
>space egyptian sorcerers
>space disguisers
>pussey space monsters
>psychotic rage monsters
>daemon-worshipping space monks
>evil space batman
>petulant siege-breakers
>monster space conquerers

>>55390268
blood angels, not ravens.

How's my list, and what can I do to improve it?

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [39 PL, 698pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion: Alpha Legion

HQ

Exalted Champion [5 PL, 81pts]: No Chaos Mark, Plasma pistol, Power sword, The Murder Sword

Elites

Chaos Terminators [14 PL, 240pts]: Mark of Khorne
. Chaos Terminator Champion: Combi-plasma, Power fist
. Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe
. Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power sword
. Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. Terminator: 2x Lightning Claw

Chosen [11 PL, 176pts]: Mark of Khorne
. Chosen Champion: Bolt pistol, Combi-plasma
. Chosen w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
. Chosen w/ weapon option: Bolt pistol, Plasma gun
. Chosen w/ weapon option: Bolt pistol, Plasma gun
. Chosen w/ weapon option: Bolt pistol, Plasma gun
. Chosen w/ weapon option: Bolt pistol, Plasma gun

Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 201pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Chainaxe, Plasma pistol
. Chainaxe and plasma pistol: Chainaxe, Plasma pistol
. Chainaxe and plasma pistol: Chainaxe, Plasma pistol
. 7x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 7x Chainaxe

++ Vanguard Detachment (Chaos - FW Heretic Astartes) [37 PL, 758pts] ++

HQ

Lord Arkos [7 PL, 124pts]: Combi-melta

Heavy Support

Hellforged Deredeo Dreadnought [14 PL, 288pts]: Butcher cannon array, Greater havoc launcher, Hellfire veil, Twin heavy bolter

Hellforged Leviathan Dreadnought [16 PL, 346pts]: Grav-flux bombard, 2x Hellflamer
. Hellforged siege claw: Meltagun

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Daemons) [28 PL, 544pts] ++

HQ

Daemon Prince of Chaos with Wings [11 PL, 189pts]: Khorne, Malefic talon, Warp bolter

Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut [5 PL, 100pts]

+ Troops +

Bloodletters [4 PL, 85pts]: 9x Bloodletter, Bloodreaper, Daemonic Icon

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Bloodletters [4 PL, 85pts]: 9x Bloodletter, Bloodreaper, Daemonic Icon

Total: [104 PL, 2000pts]

>>55390228
>plasma doesn't kill on 1
>strat gives rerolls to wound

>>55390271
>>55390276
oh. No special rules then. I'll get that lying bastard.

>>55390250
I like it, and it's only 9.99 freedom bucks a moth and the most recent one I got two free posters which was neat. It's good for inspiring you to paint more best imo.

>>55390228
Ryza is ignore cover and reroll wounds vs buildings
Agripanaaaaa is reroll failed morale checks

>>55389354
/40kg/ is grimdark just like the setting it also gets grimderp and has shitty content.

>Most people ""plays"" marines, they shit on everyone else as much as they shit among eachother
>Admech show up and talk binaric and unit synergie
>Guard players cover a wide range, shitty shitposting to comfy batreps
>Chaos players constantly in the need to prove themselves superior and on top of loyalists
>Eldar players are few and barely show up, usually have fully painted armies and do their thing in a "our thing is better than yours" way
>Dark eldar show up, show how cool they are, discuss deviance and sod off as quickly.
>Orkz show up everythread, always with kitbashes, kool projects and generally chill, support each other and offer healthy bantz
>There is like three cron players who mostly stay silent
>Some taufags always using moral superiority, main drivers of political shitposting.
>Nids just post about noms and cute and GSC has that one shitposter who shan't be named that attracted a group of followers. Never really the centre piece of the threads.

And then there is a massive blob of anons who do not play and just shit all over the place or come just for the lore

So is Lucius any good?

>>55390287
Why do you only have two characters? Get more characters. Get a termo-lord or a sorc to drop with termies. Hell, get both!

>>55390302
>i pay 10 bucks a month for this
>"""free"""

>>55390256
Although not top tier, especially PMs, I could see a mixed CSM force doing OK.

Any guesses on what Magnus Warlord Trait is going to be

I.e.

>Arch-sorcerer: Thousand Sons units within 9" from this model can reroll failed psychic test rolls

Or

>Arch-sorcerer: Your Warlord rolls three dice when trying to manifest a Psychic power, and only perils on three ones or sixes

>>55390323
Distinctly mediocre, fine if you want a lord for some NM who are going to be charged.

>>55390250
I've had a subscription for over a year now, I would say so.

>>55390264
>>55390310
end ur lives

>>55390189
Yes. One is the DG codex unit. The other is the FW unit.

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I play Grey Knights and I am always looking for spicy new tech and I think I found it.

It is called: PLOP YOUR FINANCIAL DICK ON THE TABLE.

I would appreciate some feedback.

>>55390365
You know it to be true. We just got the alpha legion/raven guard clone today.

>>55390385
>Clone
No

>>55390323
Cheap, high portential but low strength, bad saves.
Needs a rhino, an exalted champion to help him out with wounding and a strong infantry bodyguard like possessed or chosen.

7 chosen sorcerer exalted champion and lucius all in a Rhino.
He's really good if he's got all that but really you could just get a HQ that doesn't require so much babysitting.

>>55390377
Go here. >>55387355

>>55390353
>>55390418
>>55390323
Sorry guys, I meant Forge World Lucius.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/14/forge-world-focus-lucius-sep-14gw-homepage-post-4/
Reminds me of 30k Iron Hands, just less pronounced.

>>55390425
No one uses list builder threads, they're just a meme so let them die.

Besides, lists are one of the few things left in /40kg/ unlike jews and cheeta posting.

>>55390433
Meh, neat at least?

I'm just going to come out and ask it. Any of you anon do writefaggotry in the 41st millenium? Writing a story about the IG sounds fun as hell.

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>>55388795
You're probably not here anymore, but I think you should do it.

>>55390397
Probably the best forge world, purely for the stratagem. The trait ain't that good.

>>55390463
Just came back, but thanks thought it'd be a nice easy project.

Also reddit nerd got the numbers, Typhus put on some points, etc.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/704ven/did_anybody_said_death_guard_points/

From the other thread: Is there any lesser known chapter which has been in all SM codexes?

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GIVE ME RYZA

>>55390499
Iron Hands?

>>55390433
I dont think most admech units are known for going down to massed ap -1 fire, but I suppose it applies to skitarii too?
Like, I guess it could be good? It has nothing on -1 to hit you army wide though.

>>55390510
Who?

>>55390483
Ooo, inspiration. Probably going to do minimal grean stuff, but will need some to blend wires and tubes in.

>>55390507
Ryza is 6th or 7th, faggot.

Wait.

>>55390143
>What's the most points efficient way to deal with enemy hordes as alpha legion?
>>55390171
>Berzerkers.
This.
I switched to an Alpha legion army after an edgy faggot decided to kite whith eldar bikes. Anything Khornate is gold. Up to and including a bunch of cultists with a banner.
then 8th edition fucked my dreadnought drop pod. fuck.

>>55390526
I CANNOT WAIT

>>55390510
Well iron hands are not that lesser known

>>55390492
Yeeeeee plague drones at 34 points each I can dig it

>>55390547
Least known of the consistent arrivals.

>>55390547
I never, ever, remember that Iron Hands exist. At all.

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>want a guarganton squiggoth
>450 bucks
>another 80 for the 2 gun pieces
>plus shipping
>plus import fees

>>55390562
They're still a first-founding chapter with a chapter tactic named and built for their fluff.

>>55390556
10 point drop, viable fast units, all good.

>>55390592
it's kinda a shit tactic tho

>>55390592
Ok? Limited criteria lead to limited outcomes.

What is better for a tank?

2+

or

3+ and 5++

>>55390433
Teleport strat is totally awesome, since it fixes our mobility problem somewhat and lets all our close brawler units get right in there. Forge Trait is eh.
Probably better than nonCawl Mars, but worse than the 2D6 +/-1 Canticles 9" Reroll Hits megabonanza Cawl provides. We'll have to see about their relic and Wtrait.

>>55390629
IMO
The latter, since you're most likely to get hit by anti-tank weapons with high AP

>>55390629
Depends on who's shooting at it.

>>55390629
The 2+ unless you face a lot of ap-4 or greater,

Why are Fire Warriors so pricey?
The Start Collect box is such an absurdly better deal.

What other units/models do you find oddly priced?

>>55390008
> implying it isn't carnac starting it in the first place.

>>55389813
Honor guard

>>55390620
I'm not that anon, I didn't draw them up.
But the question doesn't really make sense when answered with a first founding chapter, given how they're obliged to be in each codex, with lots of fluff and rules built for them. ie: everyone who has read any space marine codex knows about the Iron Hands, whereas many people don't even glance at the alternate chapter colour schemes they put in the codexes.

>>55390629
is the 5++ a FNP?

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>>55390620
>Ok? Limited criteria lead to limited outcomes.
Well the question asked if there was any of the lesser known, not to provide the closest to lesser known if there wasn't any.
That said, Silver Skulls are probably one of the possible answers... The real MVPs

>>55390629
3+ and 5++

you get a decent save against weak weapons and a guaranteed save against strong ones, as opposed to an excellent save against weak weapons and a mediocre or non existent save against strong ones.

>>55390674
No, its invuln.

>>55390629
2+.

The average anti-tank weapon will be no better than 3+ which will reduce it to 5+ anyway.

>>55390681
Then the 2+. AP 4 or greater is fairly rare.

>>55390629
Is there any tank that actually has a 2+ and lacks a ++save?

Exorcists get a 6++. Land Raiders get 4++. Tyranids are Monsters. WK lost their 2+ and are also monsters still.

>>55390664
most of the more recent boxes are way better value than the models in them.

shit, I just bought the guard infantry/chimaera box, and saved over half the price of the guards in the kit.

>>55390595
I think I heard they also gained a wound. I'm gonna put together more of those good ol flies later tonight I love daemon cavalry.

>>55389965

>Gulliman will be toned down guys, just wait for the Codex to hit!
>Codex hits
>Well he's not THAT good scrubs, just throw grenades at him lol

>>55390499
Storm Lords and Eagle Warriors I think.

>>55386683
I don't remember that art.

Also

STYGIES VIII RULES WHEN

>>55390629
2+ for most things like massed light fire
5++ if melta out the ass

>>55390673
Some IH successor then, I'm not double checking every codex ever printed to find the chief jobber, but IH are the least memorable ff chapter wich was more-or-less the question.

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>>55390589
This is what Chinamen are for, my Ork playing friend.

>>55390675
>Tfw you have a SS player but no IH

2+ is better vs ap -0, -1, -2.

2+ and 3+ with 5++ is equal against -3.

3+ and 5++ is better vs -4 and -5

>>55390727
>IH
>not raven guard or white scars

>>55390589
China

>>55390695
>Land Raiders get 4++
What? Thought they were the archetype for "Big spongy bastards" and didn't have one at all? Neutron Lasers and their -4 AP are looking more superfluous over twin lascannons by the minute.

>>55390695
which land raider gets 4++?

>>55390749

So basically if you're facing someone spamming Shokk Attack Guns, the second option is better.

>>55390629
2+ for all-comers list for sure, because no one brings enough AP-4 in an all-comers list for it to make 3+ 5++ better.

>>55390705
Beast, I thought, was the only one?

>>55390768
I do in my DE list.

all the DE anti-tank shit is AP-4, and dark lances are too good not to run.

>>55390706
SM codex was probably already at the printers when GW started getting 8th Ed. Feedback from the public.

>>55390669
So I thought about that but really its a

2+ with 4 wounds 4 attacks
vs
a 3+/3++ with 2 wounds 5 attacks

for pretty much the same price an loadout
they both have the bodyguard rule and they both have a full suite of power weapons save for the relic blade on the honor guard

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>>55390750
>not raven guard or white scars
They're dead to me for jobbing to the Tau.

>>55390789
They knew big G was going to cause a stir, that was the whole point of releasing him at the twilight of 7E.

>>55389810
Page 183 of the brb. When you disembark it counts as moving, even if you don't move, for any rule purposes. Check yourself.

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>>55390799

>>55390780
I'm just now realizing dark lances aren't -3. Probably won't remind the DEldar player at my store.

>>55390805
>mad asstartes.jif

Maybe I should've saved that image the other guy kept spamming, oh well

>>55390483
nice work

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>>55390743
>>55390751
en-enjoy your c-cancer!!

>>55390766
Or eldar. An awful lot of eldar anti-tank is AP -4 or better.

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>>55390805
When did Scars job to the Tau?

>>55390693

Arent lascannons -4? I play deldar and have -4 all over the place

>>55390822
dissie cannons, ossefactors(wrack/grot weapon), potentially liquifier guns, and implosion missiles are the DE's only -3 weapons. all the darklight weapons are -4.

>>55390862
they are not. they're -3.

Hmm Typhus up a few points. 175 instead of 164

Lord of Contagion is 150 pts, down form 182.

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>>55390766
Or Sisters.

>>55390862
Lascannons are S9 AP-3

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Anon posted the wrong image, this is the correct points page.

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>>55390976
cheky

>>55390862
Most anti-tank weapons that aren't "melta" type weapons are ap-3.
Massed ap-4 is a Deldar thing.

>>55390778
It might be! I forgot exactly but I wouldn't be surprised that is the one that got the wound with how they're hyping beasts up.

How are deathwatch? Newfag looking to get into 40k. I grabbed the index from the OP but I'm not really sure what to look for when deciding if things are decent or not.

>>55390976
Herschel Tallyman helps you with your command point tax returns.

Remember to thank him.

>>55391030
>Newfag looking to get into 40k
then just get what looks cool. whats good changes all the damn time. what LOOKS good, to you, will change a hell of a lot less

>>55391030
they're not so good. Too expensive for what they do and not very strong in the first place

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>>55389530
Hes probably the deployment summonig fag

>>55391057
fair enough. do you happen to know if they are the same scale as the new primaris stuff or are they the shorter scale? I thought I read that they were the larger scale but I have no actual way to verify.

>>55391030
Decent ally force, but not great for a starting army IMO. They're a bit overcosted, and require you to be rather good at the game to be able to use them to their fullest.
What exactly about them appealed to you? Perhaps there's a similar army that might be better for starting?

>>55390820
Wait, lightning claws are just 12 points for a pair? Didn't know that.

>>55391079
>do you happen to know if they are the same scale as the new primaris stuff or are they the shorter scale
They are shorter than primaris but larger than regular marines

>>55391079
All non-primaris stuff is the old scale. you can include primairs stuff in deathwatch armies, but i dont think they egt the special issue ammo

>>55391101
For DG they are, check your codex.

Hey guys noob question

Say my squad has an armor save of 4++ with no invulnerable save. It gets hit with 3 wounds from an AP -3 weapon. Does that mean that those wounds are guaranteed to harm me?

>>55389354
Grey guard anon. His battle reports are always a welcome sight

>>55391135
yes

>>55390750
Both way more prominent and played armies.

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What is this image trying to convey to us?

>>55390756
>>55390763
Only a few FW land raiders get an invul and it's not the good ones

>>55391194
What is the big brain guy?

>>55390856
Shadowson basically, in the super poorly written campaign. Part of why I'm sidelineing Tau rn.

>>55391194
That's how they play 40K in the 40K universe.

>>55389640
> best painted thing in the pic is literally the sewage in the sewer
Really activates the almonds.

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>>55391244

>>55391247
Who are the short guys tho?

>>55391275
An abhuman race called the Squats. They are mentioned in your current rulebook.

>>55389978
You can't paint for shit you bitch

>>55391311
k.

>>55391241
Thats an OldSchool cogitator.

>>55391275
Those are pre-Cawl space marines, anon.

>>55391257
Eh, Tau are boring as crap rn, as bad as monster mash in 7th, just not as winning. Neat that my Vespid can do shit now, but I'm just not enthused by the distinctly un-cheaky playstyle.

>>55391328
Huh, so like Mentats?

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Why new fluff is so shitty?

>>55390695
I don't care if it was forever ago, there is so much wrong with this post
exorcists don't have a 2+
land raiders dont have a 4++
wraithknights never had a 2+

>>55391375
Because you have bad taste.

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Hello everyone.

I play Tau, whats the best way to deal with the Space Marine chapter -1 to all shooting.

My buddy took it in a game against me. It made me salty, what kind of broken bullshit is this? Sweet, my 4 bs becomes 5

THE FUCKING SHOOTING ARMY WITH NATIVE BS 4 IS NOW FUCKING FIV EFUCKKJ()*&EOIJDLSKF"

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>>55391241

>>55390256
How do they have no mobility though...
The blight drones and mini crawler thing seem designed to rush forward and fix shit in place so you can catch it and kill it. Doesn't that solve the mobility issue? Plus there is always rhinos

>>55391405
>10" as your fastest dudes
>no mobility

Sounds about right

>>55391394
Good tau lists operate mostly at close range anyway, just run drones in fish with fireblades, and meltamanders with drones.

It's not a gulliman list, chill.

>>55391030
You'll find with 40k that the vast majority of the hobby is spent alone with your toy soldiers building or painting them, unless you're a real regular at your store for game nights.

Just remember that how they look and how much you like them matters way more than how good they are in game

>>55391375
>what is the heresy of innovation

>>55391427
12 +d6" is best rn, but yeah.

>>55391394
Breacher teams for the infantry, and fusion blasters for the tanks. Remember, it's only ("only") shooting outside 12" that gets the -1 penalty.

Okay elegan/tg/entleman
I want to start collecting Thousand Sons as a rival force for my AdMech
I was thinking of Grabbing a box of Rubrics, Box of Tzaangors, Exalted Sorcerors, and Ahriman, and then running them as follows

Patrol Detatchment
HQ ---
Ahriman
Troop ---
Rubric Marines
Tzaangors

Supreme Command Detatchment
Exalted Sorcerors x3


is this a good starter force for Thousand Sons?

>>55391473
>Breachers
Hell the fuck no, pulse weapons + fireblade, don't be a fool.

>>55391490
What's wrong with them?

>>55391487
Looks ok, get the AOSgors box as they have the beter loadout for cheaper.

>>55388040
Never read the battle reports because I'd rather play the fucking game.

>>55391499
Nothing range, basically no reward for it, and don't get buffed by fireblade. Strikers are better + flexible, drones are way better but annoying.

>>55391120
They don't although bolt rifles are basically just boltguns locked into one type of ammo

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What's the best way to represent the warp bolter for a DP?

>>55391543
Use the formerly-metal daemon prince who has one on his left gauntlet

>>55391543
If you have the one with the gauntlet just paint it prominently, if not... mouth gun? Probably doing that with my conversion.

>>55391436

No way? I got back into it with 8th. I ran stealth suits/crisis/sunshark/pathfinders/2 fusion manders/shield and gun drones and just got my shit pushed in hard by turn 3

He went first and just trashed 2 groups of path finders. He also had 3 of those assassin dudes which which just do insane amounts of work

Im going to try out more fire warriors - I used them before but they seem to get deleted to easily, how do you guys get them to live past 1 turn?

to date i have yet to go first against my friend in 8th - we switched over to the tourney rules of having less drops = +1 to the roll, and this game I thought i was about to go first and he used a cp to re-roll to go first

I'm also a giant tau noob, and just need to learn the flow of building a list in 40k

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>>55390820
>Epidemuis not even in the Daemon slot as the one nurgle character to survive this far
>Tallyman more or less does his gimmick with a much better model for half the price

Did Typhus also fuck his Nurglette wife in front of his eyes too?

>>55391536
>nothing range
Anon was asking about facing RG/AL with better than 5+ to hit, so we're talking 12" range. The breachers' 10" gun still has a very respectable profile, does that 2" really make that big a difference? And if you are planning to hang about outside 12" your "way better" drones at hitting on 6s (fireblades can't take a drone controller) which won't get 'er done.

>>55391427
Well for drones you are going to take the assault plague flamer right? So you advance too. If you forcing that choice turn one- shoot nasty fly, or it's goings to spew/charge my shit. Or shoot the slow guys.
Won't that buy enough time for the foot guys to advance?

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>>55391543
Get any combi-bolter and smack it onto his wrist after filing down the armour plate. Or have some gun barrels in the arm Obliterator style. Or he just shoots lazers from his eyes Daemonic gaze style

>>55391375
>revives Guilliman
It was Yvraine who did that. Cawl just strapped an iron lung onto some power armour.

>makes better marines than the Emperor
Corax did that 10,000 years ago. The Emperor explicitly could have made Astartes stronger but he chose not to. They were as powerful as they needed to be for their task (The Great Crusade)

>BTFOs boxnoughts
Contemptors and Leviathans were BTFOing boxnoughts all the way back in 30k. He just made bigger boxnoughts.

In short, that meme is retarded and you're retarded for spreading it. Cawl was poorly handled Deus Ex Machina but nothing he did was that outrageous. He had 10,000 years of research and the sponsorship of a Primarch/Lord Commander of the Imperium.

Why do people watch battle reports where they roll the dice?

You're literally watching people roll dice, just cut that shit out and you can have a 2000 pts Batrep in a 45 minute video, and summarizing turns means the people making the batrep actually think about and comment the proceedings of the game.

>>55391602
Holy shit your retarded, the profiles that work have nothing range, and have no flexibility if kited. You get the drones in 9" range with the fireblade for stupid damage, do you not follow Tau at all?

Standard nerds in fish catching up to steath suits, who guide commanders shit, not at all a new concept for 8th Tau.

>>55391602
You can't buff breachers, fucking taufag is a newfag.

>>55391663
If I want to see just summarisations of turns I will look them up on some blog.

>>55391543
Play Iron Warriors and use one of Perty's autistic beep-boops as your DP.

>>55391669

>your retarded
>retarded
>your

kek

been away for a while from a case of the almost deads, but i got better, so im wondering, did anything ever come from the IG rumors that were floating around a month and half ago? i need some new models to paint and i want to expand my guard

>>55391690
There are no good batrep blogs left though.

>>55391135
Yep, unless you are in cover.

Note that there's different notation for armor vs invuln save.

Armor is just one plus, invuln 2. EX:

4+ armor

4++ invuln

>>55391727
nope

>>55391715
>Perty's autistic beep-boops
I was going to post some snarky retort to this, but then I remembered that they might have had a very sophisticated machine spirit that might be able to learn some things...and being near Pert AND in the warp for 10,000 years would probably turn them into autistic robots.

>>55391717
>typo
>vs advocating for literally half the damage output from breachers over drones.
But fair point, fucked up the "you're" killing myself rn.

>>55389737
[email protected]

>>55391067
I'm betting he'll post that shit in the next thread hoping no one will argue so he can say he won.

Are chainfists worth it on csm terminator champions?

>>55391788
Probably not.

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What conditions do you all find destroyer cult based lists to be successful in, if any at all?

>>55391797
Vs mediocre marine lists.

>>55391797
>pic
suddenly I envision a female necron drider waifu

>>55391663

I just wanna watch people play. I wanna listen to the banter and see the reactions. Also I want them as long as possible since I use them exclusively as something to watch while I work on miniatures.

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>>55391818

>tfw yesterday I was worried that Lucius was going to get shit rules
>Today I'm worried my forge world just became WAACfag tier
Teleporting priests could be fun I guess.

>>55391543
Give him a heavy bolter with loving conversions.

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>>55391890
Lmao look at this little cucklet, bragging about his FWs rules when it doesn't have Cawl.

Look at him and laugh.

Look and laugh!

>>55391868
>watching 40k videos while painting 40k

I do the same thing usually lore videos.

>>55391890
>teleporting knights
prepare for titanfall

>>55391916
You do know you can just take another detachment with a different forge world name?
>Lucius tele-priest detachment and then Cawls Balls detachment

>>55391997
His buff only affects mars.

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>>55389684
I'm back to using Word, looks pretty okay when formatted right.

>>55389560
We should make a compilation of retarded rules questions by illiterate WAACfags to submit to GW.

40kg seems to be the grease trap to the internets sewer of stupidity and cheating so it's the best place to gather questions noone would ever ask without anonymity.

>>55391252
wow, rude!

>>55389640
>I like crimson slaughter
>liking store-brand World Eaters
Why?

I've been waiting fucking YEARS for a proper Traitor Legions expansion that was like 2.5 (so I can play a fully Death Guard army), and we get something way way better with Traitor Legions. It was enough to bring me back to the hobby. And then 8th Edition is announced and Death Guard are getting massive releases, and then I fall very ill and doctors are suspecting bowel cancer with secondary liver tumors, but I don't have the biopsy results yet.

It was never meant to be, was it?

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>>55392218
Pic related, I guess.

>>55392218
Embrace papa Nurgle, give your bowles strength beyond death!

>>55392218
>traitor legions is the best expansion chaos could have hoped for.
>the rules in it weren't even legal for a year before 8th edition came out and got rid of all of them.

It's really sad.

>>55392031
Which is fine because the priests won't be anywhere near him, you fucking onahole.

So those of you that have ordered from the Chinaman, what should I expect for pricing? I know stuff varies, but is there like a standard expect 35% off or whatever? Just curious about how much to expect.

>>55392292
The fuck do you care what discount he gives you, It's already a huge drop off from GW's prices.

>>55392166
Because I also like lots of sorcerers and slaanesh so I wanted an undivided warband to mix it up.

I also like the story of kranon the relentless.

>>55390789
More like the cash from Guilliman's ovepriced model selling like hotcakes was already in.

>>55391216
Doesnt the achilles get one?

Always thought that was one of the better FW raiders

>>55392320
thats my point...I dont know what shit costs. I havent seen a catalogue yet. I dont know if it costs anything less than GW. All I have to go on is ppl from 4chan saying send your money here...it'll be fine...which doesnt seem like the best of plans. But I am will to try a small order first

>>55392292
Why not fucking ask the cunt since. like you said, it fucking varies