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Multiple thin Black Crusades edition

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>Graia
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/12/forge-world-focus-graia-sep-12gw-homepage-post-4/

Mars
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/11/forge-world-focus-mars-sep-11gw-homepage-post-4/

>After weeks of a rigged campaign, Imperials win it.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/11/the-fate-of-konor-imperial-victory/

>top 5 squigs
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/05/celebrate-30-years-of-warhammer-40000-top-5-squigsgw-homepage-post-3/

>GW FAQs (1.1):
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rules-Errata
>FW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/15/new-and-updated-forge-world-faqs-july16gw-homepage-post-2/

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
>Everything 8th edition in properly converted pdf & epub, fully bookmarked and linked with in-line errata annotations
https://mega.nz/#F!bF0ExS4D!_XaMECn0K9HiJKUFSopJLA

>Other Megas
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
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https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
>WIP Math-hammer doc (Thanks Chart-Anon!)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing
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Gayboys play Tau
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>>55359508
>Being this salty
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>>55359508
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>>55359483
nth for cawl being mandatory
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First for Adeptus Mechanicus
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>>55359524
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>>55359530
Is this from the new codex or the old one?
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Why does everyone like Ad Mech? They're the most boring army in the game, each one of their units looks exactly the same.
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>>55359548
7th Edition Skitarii Codex
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>>55359548
Painting guide
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>>55359544
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>>55359555
OLD BAIT
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>One Loyalist Primarch returns as a traitor, one Traitor Primarch is redeemed and returns to the Imperium
Who would you choose?
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>>55359555
>everyone
???
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>>55359555
Cyborg aesthetics are cool. They're one of the older factions in the fluff, but waited forever to get a full fledged army.
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Soo noob question.. In regards to the Chaos Marines Codex can I mix and match legions for max benefits? For instance can I take a world eaters Chaos lord, demon prince, 3 squads of bezerkers and then take a squad of iron warrior havocs? Or does everything in tbe detachment have to be legion specific?
> I'm coming back after not playing for a year or so and 8th edition is a new animal
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>>55359566
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>>55359555
>Muh Space Marines are unique looking
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>>55359555
>people can't like fluff or aesthetic
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>>55359573
Lemon mutates into full wulfen, Alpharius unveils his master plan to spay the team mascot
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>>55359573
Alpharius
___Alpharius___
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>that glorious feeling of having ordered custom <YOUR DUDES> dice
Graphic designer, anon, if you're here, thanks again, bud.
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>>55359573
Russ as traitor because the collective butthurt would solve all energy crises, and Lorgar turning good because shit would be unexpected as fuck.
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>>55359604
Damn that's pretty nice.
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>>55359604
Where did you order them from?
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>>55359573
Alpharius
The Lion

In that order.
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>>55359627
So the fallen where the good guys all along?
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Post your ugliest/least favorite model in your current army.
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>>55359636
Is that not the story they are pushing with Cypher?
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>>55359648
No.
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>>55359636
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>>55359573
Russ returns as a wulf'd up beast used by the traitors and Curze returns as a member of the legion of the damned, also have a Demon Prince that calls himself the Night Haunter unite the remains of the Night Lords.
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>>55359662
t. dark angels
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>>55359626
Chessex. I got 36, so they were $0.75 each. Shipping was a bit steep on them for shipping inside the US, $12.
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>>55359648
In gathering storm 3 it showed the fallen as being very anti-imperium.
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>>55359583
>MFW we made you so butthurt you're still mad 6 months later
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>>55359523
>One thick, Black crusade
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>>55359582
Read the fucking rules and you'd know. Which is no, has to be the same legion. Goddamn son...
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>>55359395
It's gonna be tough for me to not go Guard again in WA, since it's what made me fall in love with them in the first place.
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Spoiler alert
Cypher is Alpharious
> the fallen are all Alpha Legion plants to make the Dark Angels look bad
> dark angels know this but are to big of dickheads to share the info
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>>55359674
What size are they? I've been thinking about getting some Templar dice for a while.
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>>55359644
After painting her all I can see is ISHYGDDT and it prevents me from painting all the others in fear that they'll turn out the same way.
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>>55359731
This one doesn't even make sense. This is embarrassing.
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>>55359746
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>>55359722
16mm. I personally prefer 16mm over 12mm because they feel "hearty" when they roll. To put it in perspective, they're the size of the dice GW sells/used to sell like the Tyranid/Blood Angel Dice, the Sylvaneth dice, the Astartes Dice, Death Guard dice,etc.
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>>55359530
Why are his eyes lower than the specs on the suit?
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>>55359756
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>>55359780
mirrors
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>>55359745
Do the hair and fur cape something actually hair-coloured, make the base pop, and redo the lioncloth with actual care, and it'd look good
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>>55359745
Fucking weebs man
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>>55359763
Nice, yeah I need larger dice.
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So i have a question.Can new Custodes be made, or is their fluff just really poorly written? Because i just picked up a Talons of the Emperor box set and theres a line stating, and I quote "The Custodian Guard do not age biologically, so a veteran officer might be well over a thousand years old." So whats the deal? Are my golden banana boys really frauds? Pic related for proof.
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>>55359717
I usually give in and do both Guard and Eldar. The only problem is I used to play Eldar competitively, so either I breeze through the final missions or get curbstomped if I try to do them as Guard.

I owe it to myself to hear Gorgutz' lines again though.
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>>55359811
Since when does 'they don't age' mean 'they never make new ones'?

Dante's over 1000, they sure as fuck haven't stopped making Blood Angels.
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>>55359833
Blood Angels are pretty different from Custodes in terms of how they are made?
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>>55359523
>>55359483
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>>55359833
>>55359811
The emperor handmade each one. They're the only warriors that actually hurt him to see fall.

they are not replacable, but so few of them die that even with slowly diminishing numbers they still have a presence.
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>>55359811
I think it's just something that has to be clarified. Custodes MUST have been recruiting and replenishing their numbers, because they got heavily mauled during the Horus Heresy, yet when Guilliman finally woke up from his beauty nap and told the Custodes to get off their fat, lazy asses, they're once again ten thousand strong.
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I play primarines and I want to add in some allies, are sisters of silence any good? or am I better off just taking loads of cheap guardsmen to pad out some numbers?
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>>55359862
Take that ADB shit and get out.
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>>55359802
>>55359763
Somewhat related:

I know a guy who plays orks and insists on rolling casino dice.

Imagine trying to roll your attacks for a mob of 30 boys using only casino dice.
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>>55359780
Skitarii have a bunch of sensors and shit installed so he doesn't necessarily physically look out of the suit.
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>>55359891
Maybe if you bought any of my books, I'd write better.
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>>55359891
ABD is one of the best writers GW has.
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>>55359902
Casino dice are the only fairly weighted dice, so there's something to it. But it's still just a game, so whatever, fuck him.
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>>55359891
Anon. don't, you'll summon Carnac, and this thread is still young. Just ignore those kinds of posts for now.
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Custodes fag here, thanks for the responses, except for that one dumbass who was clearly just fishing for (you)s, ill just presume that new ones can be made, albeit very arduosly until a new piece of fluff comes out that contradicts that.
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>>55359927
Think for a moment about how depressing that is.
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>>55359928
Casino dice are also made to be bounced off something.
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>>55359811
>>55359868

Could be they kept the secret to making more Custodes to themselves, and use it to replenish their numbers whenever one dies or decides to retire for whatever reason. They aren't exactly made in the same way as Marines, but it's likely they keep their technologies in the Imperial Palace so they can make new ones.

Although the mention of them retiring sounds awesome. It'd be neat to see one join a Deathwatch team as a Blackshield. Also neat if they join up with an Inquisitor; a 1k+ year old pinnacle of post-humanism who is too old for this shit teaming up with a firebranded young'un of maybe half a century to flush out Heretics.
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>>55359811
They probably can make new ones but it'll take great efforts to make a single one, I wouldn't be surprised they could make a couple full equipped Custards every century
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>>55359927
That has more to do with the quality of the other writers than ADB himself.
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>>55359927
Yes, that is the problem anon.
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>>55359902
don't casino dice scratch up your hand if you roll too many?
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Blood angel players give me your strategies Ive won 2 games out of 12
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>>55359891
that description predates ADB and was from the FW HH stuff first (shown in previews before master of mankind was even written)

get BTFO and educate yourself, or are you just going to call Alan Bligh a hack instead.
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>>55359985
>FW
>canon

HAHAHA if only.
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Do you still get to reanimate Necrons that were killed by Poxwalkers?
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>>55360014
The only way Necrons can't reanimate is if they're lost through morale.
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>>55360014
Yes, and those reanimated Necrons can turn into more Poxwalkers.

Remember to convert Poxwalkers out of all your friend's models.
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>>55360014
Yes. Why wouldn't you? I literally don't understand why this even needed to be FAQed.
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>>55360037
Because it's implied that the Poxwalkers turn the units they have slain into the new Poxwalkers and they don't just come out of thin air?
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>>55360037
If I can only shoot at the closest unit, can I shoot units that are further away?
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>>55360037
>Necron dies, turns into Poxwalker zombie
>Zombie turns back into Necron
>Somehow Zombie is still there?
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>>55360066
They come out of thin air. 8th rules have more levels of abstraction than computing
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>>55360066
>fluff implications having anything to do with crunch
I wonder if they'll have to FAQ that you don't actually steal your opponent's model permanently.
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>>55360066
>playing the fluff card
Explain how soulless automatons - literally undead zombie robots - are candidates for reanimation by the curse in the first place.
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>>55360090
It's already been FAQ'd that Necrons can't re-animate units that "die" from moral tests.
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>>55360093
A literal god is responsible for the curse and it can even turn Storm Ravens into zombies.
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>>55359927
Testicular cancer is one of the best cancers to contract, but it's still cancer.
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>>55360093
There's been various "diseases" in the fluff that affected machines and vehicles.
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>>55360114
It's hard to infect flesh and souls that don't exist.
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>>55360075
>this meme again
Please just kill yourself
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>>55360093
Even better when it then also reanimates and stands back up, after another poxwalker has been added to the ranks.

Man, must that be awkward...
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>>55360131
Necrodermis is a bit more hardier than plasteel.
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>>55360143
Demons can possess vehicles and inanimateobjects, anon.
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>>55360143
It's heavily implied that the Men of Iron were corrupted by Chaos. You don't need a soul or flesh to be corrupted.
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>>55360081

Necrodermis corrupted by physical contact with Poxwalker. Resurrection system kicks in, but NecronWarrior47871235.exe's file is [ERROR 888 FILE CORRUPT], so the resurrection system reverts to the last backup save and pops in a previous version of the pox'd Warrior from a time before it was corrupted. And fuck causality because Necrons and Chaos.
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>>55359614
It would actually be neat for the Space Wolves to collectively give a Traitor Russ the finger and stay loyal.

Blackshields from the Traitor Legions are my favorite things.
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>>55360182
>>55360184
Refer to >>55360180 Necrodermis is kinda odd and Necrons are not normal machines. Also implying AI are not souls there is an entire faction dedicated to making sure machine souls are not corrupted.
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>>55360143
Says you, Nurgle does that on a daily basis.
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Chaos wank.
Ignore and report before it spreads like cancer
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>>55360234
Nercodermis being hardier means literally nothing, we're talking about Nurgle here. I'm sure he could create some super bug that even Necrodermis wouldn't be able to stand up to unless the Necrons are actively employing some anti-Chaos measures in their rank and file troops.

They'd reasonably be harder to infect but I don't see any reason they'd ever be outright immune.
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>>55360234
Think that's fucked up? wait till Nurgle sends his Poxwalkers against your C'tan shard.
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>>55360271
Buy my book anon.
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>>55360293
Only a faggot wears a tuque indoors.
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>>55360278
I'm not disagreeing entirely just saying that this is a good explanation for the inconstancy.

>>55360279
Would Nurgle be able to infect the C'tan that seems like he would need something really damn potent to even get close.
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>>55360317
Anon, I've complied with your jewish belief. You obviously have money, now buy my book.
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>>55360081
Look it as this way,

>the necrons is infected and become a poxwalker
>reanimation kicks in
>The necron free itself from the corrupted body leaving enough parts of itself for the poxwalker to remain
>Necron fully regrows it's lost limbs trough necron nanotechnology
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>>55360317
This is true.
t. Faggot that wears tuques indoors.
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>>55360293
No, buy my books instead.
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>>55360328
Dunno, no C'tan left to try it on. It works against the shards however.
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What's the best CC unit in the game?

Berserkers? Wulfen? Genestealers? Other?
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>>55360317

This explains a whole lot to me.
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>>55359745
Howd you paint the plate armor? Love it.
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>>55360336
It's too expensive for toiler paper

cause that's all they're good for
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>>55360344
>Jump pack marines having extended dogfights with Tau jetfighters
>Terminators with swords which blades are made purely of plasma

I did, and many regrets were had.
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>>55360352
Wouldn't Reality Unravels fuck over the rest of the poxwalkers that took him down though?
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>>55360362
Black primer -> gunmetal airbrush paint -> I didn't airbrush it, I simply brushed it on -> null oil wash(real light, lots of water) -> mithril silver highlight.

I've heard all my metalics come out grainy because it's GW paints, but I'm too scared to try other brands. The grainyness kinda helped here to make the armour seem thicker than average mail.
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>>55360404
Nah, they're on Nurgle's side now. so fuck your necrodermis and unravel that shit.
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>>55360371
Anon, buy my book, I'm warning you.
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So I'm aware transports count as 1 drop, but do their contents count for the amount of units to put in reserve?
> 1 transport
> 1 squad in transport
> 2 squads of termies
Can I drop deepstrike both termie squads?
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Raven Guard Aggressors that are Infiltrating, would I be better off with boltstorm gauntlets + grenade launchers and getting to shoot twice as many shots, or flamestorm gauntlets?
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>>55360428
So does Reality Unravels just not happen or do they just tank it and laugh.
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>>55360411
Thx! I like it.
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>>55360465
double shot boltstorms, they're more useful after your initial strike.
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>>55360441
>JUSTFUCKINGBUYIT.jpg
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>>55360468
It forges a hard narrative.
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>>55360441
Im not afraid of you. Your father would have teached you how to act like a man, weren't you such a little faggot.
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what's the best loadout for reivers? combat knives and grav chutes or just carbines?
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>>55360484
Kek
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>>55360352
>It works against the shards however.
No it doesn't, they aren't INFANTRY you retard.
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So besides the 1k of dudes I'll get with dark imperium, I'm planning on running some termies, ven & cont dreds, assault marines. What tactics would best fit for something like that aa the Mantis Warriors. I just hate fucking bikes

pic unrelated
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>>55359573
Russ and Alpharius as many others said.
Firstone is boring, the second one we know now is Omegon that had to turn traitor when he was playing traitor (but still sorta loyalist) when hid brother doed to Dorn. Him finally getting back to the Imperium would be dope as fuck, to learn how he survived, and admits his faults, since the AL has plagued the Imperium ever since.
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>>55360528
>Assault oriented loyalist marines

Seems pretty obvious to me, the re-roll failed charges from Black Templars seems pretty much mandatory.
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>People actually bought Mantas

what the fuck
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Just found out Plague Burst Crawlers are BS 4+. I'm not sure how to feel about them now. I mean that's one of the reasons why I didn't give Forgefiends a second glance.

What do you guys think?
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Keeps the habit under control.
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>>55360606
Plenty of factions have to put up with BS4+ even 5+
fucking marines
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GW is primed and ready for ANOTHER Marine release because not doing a Marine release every 3 months would bankrupt the company. They've chosen you to decide which chapter becomes the newest standalone army(like Dark Angels, Wolves, Blood Angels,GK).

What chapter is your choice and how do they play to differ from Codex: Space Marines different flavors of Marines?
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>>55360488
DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT MAN!!!!
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>>55359604
Oh shit, you finally got them in? Nice.
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>>55360606
As the only artillery for the death guard, Im gonna buy 3
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>>55360634
Nah, I just ordered them today. It'll be 4 weeks(est.) before they come in. That was the sample die they sent me a picture of.
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>>55360630
At least he was a man.
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>>55360668
Oh. Yeah, forgot about how long they took, silly me. Glad to hear you're getting them in though, they look pretty nice. You''re kinda tempting me to get more Tzeentch dice though, stop it anon
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>>55360528
>What tactics would best fit for something like that aa the Mantis Warriors.

Go with their parent chapter's tactic, MW were about assaulting from cover to ambush fuckers and White Scars seem fitting in that they can move up faster and hit and run is damn good, especially for fast units like Assault Marines.
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>>55360670
Anon, please buy my book. You liked Betrayer right? My wife and I need to eat, we are very hungry.
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>>55359604
You actually got dice made of them? Damn. Didn't think you liked it that much.
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>>55360457
yes, those boys in the transport are on the table
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>>55359604
What website did you get them from? I'm still trying to get my CSM sigil down and some dice of it would be sick.
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>>55360786
As he said earlier, Chessex. Really nice, got a bunch of dice for me and my friend a while back and the results are pretty good.
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Poxwalkers
>Each time an enemy INFANTRY model is slain by a Poxwalker in the Fight phase, add one model to the Poxwalker's unit.

Horrors
>Each time a Pink Horror is slain, you can add up to two Blue Horrors to this unit before you remove the slain Pink Horror. Each time a Blue Horror is slain, you can add one pair of Brimstone Horrors to this unit before you remove the slain Blue Horror.... In matched play you must pay reinforcement points for each and every Blue and Brimstone Horror model that you add to a unit of Horrors, but the additional models can take the unit above its starting strength

Fuck off, GW.
t. bitter Tzeentch player
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>>55360606
How else is GW going to balance those overpowered shits?
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>>55360811
Dayum that scarab one looks sexy AF
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>>55360811
Those Night Lords dice look leagues better than the GW/FW dice. Any option to change the color of the metalics from gold?
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>>55360811
> Really nice, got a bunch of dice for me and my friend a while back and the results are pretty good.
I'll say. The quality on that winged scarab is phenomenal.
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>>55360814
Get fucked bird boy
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>>55360814
You know that daemon shits are still dominating tournies?
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>>55360811
Damn, might have to order some for my BL army. Didn't know chessex did such good custom jobs. Thanks for showing
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>>55360890
I don't keep up with results. Even necron reanination, which is closer to pink horrors is free.
I'm just being bitter.
What daemons are dominating, flamers?
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>>55360890
>tournies
Speaking of, what are the results we know so far? What armies are doing well, and what isn't seen a lot?
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Starting Orks. Starting with a core of 90 boyz, 3 squads of 30. What is the best use of my HQ slots?

I was thinking at least one big mek with a KFF to footslog around with a unit of boys.

Should I run one weird boy or two? With two I could do the warpath + jump combo.

Or is there not entirely a best?
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Anyone have an image of an Ogryn/Bullgryn beside an ork nob or ork boy or space marine or any basic infantry please?
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>>55360920
Brimstone horrors. Lots and lots of brimstone horrors.
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>>55360921
Conscripts and guard
Chaos with daemons and malefic lords
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>>55360829
Kinda. They'll usually have some variants with different colors outside of gold for the inscribed section if I recall correctly, though if that option isn't there under the main dice color then no. I'm pretty sure there were lots of different dark blue with silver dice though, so you should be in luck.
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>>55360942
What? How are they so good?
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>>55360704
Yeah, dude. I fucking loved it. This was the very first concept I had for a Kabal sigil, I was trying to find a way to "Dark Eldar" it up more FOREVER. Then I saw the design I made on my Wyches mask and threw it in MSPaint. The clean-up job was everything I imagined the sigil to be.
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>>55360920
>>55360942

NOVA Open finals was guard spam vs brinstome spam.
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>>55360921

Birdemic was a strategy that was very short-lived. First with maximum Stormravens, then with maximum sharp birds.
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>>55360971
1 FUCKING POINT
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>>55360920
>Even necron reanination, which is closer to pink horrors is free.
Obviously reanimation is free you stupid fuck. Reinforcement points are for NEW units.
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>>55360979
Well I'm glad you liked it.
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>>55360991
They're 3 points you scrub.
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>>55360928
Warbosses are good, Waaagh banner nobs are required, weirdboys are good too, either with jump or warpath,i tend to use warpath because i usually have so many boys im not concerned about losing any walking up the board. KFF isnt a bad idea either
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>>55360811
If I'm calculating right 25 dice cost 150 burger bucks??
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>>55360920
I'm guessing Magnus with brimstones or exalted flamer spam.
Man, really wish brimstones weren't such a meme since they're so cute even more so than nurglings
>>55360991
Thought they were 3 points in the CSM codex.
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>>55360991
FAQs and new books are worth reading.
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>>55361017
>>55361026
Yeah, I know, but I liked it when they were 1 point. It was absolutely hilarious.
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>>55360991
>>>55360971 (You)
>1 FUCKING POINT
3 points?
Also they are s 1 models that are melee only. Neat they get a 4++.
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>>55361026
That reminds me, anyone have the nurgling with the helm?
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>>55361023
Calculating wrong. That would be $25. $1 per custom side until you get to the price break points.
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>>55361023
No, not at all. If I'm remembering correctly it's just 25 dollars plus whatever shipping is for 25.
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>>55361052

Were they ever 1 point? Index says two, and CSM says three.
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>>55361059
did you miss the part where they have smite spam?
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>>55361104
Don't they also die while casting, and only have one dice? Not to say that with how much you can horde them and such they aren't strong.
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>>55361132
They cast using a single dice, so can never roll perils. It does mean they only have a 1/3 chance on casting Smite, but with having dozens of units that's not that much of an issue.
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>>55361132
A 5+ mortal would for 20 points is pretty good and if you are that worried about losing a brimstone (protip you are not) to cast you can pay 3 extra points for a single blue horror in the unit to cast.
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>>55361071
>>55361079
Ah I see, thank you anons
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>>55361198
Oh, so that's how they avoid dying brimstones? Well then.
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>>55361233
usually they just dont avoid it... also correction they are 3pts a model now not 2
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Ork question, for anti tank, what is better, Justin mega kannons? Or plain kannons? Referencing Ork artilary units.

A squad of 5 kustom cannons is 240, you can get 9 kannons for 243.
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>>55361294
Tankbustas
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>>55360606
If you take a formation of 3 it ups all their to hit rolls by +1.
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>>55361294
its heavy d6 vs heavy 1 for their AT rounds, 5D6 was 9 in equal points. The kustoms also have better AP but worse damage. IMO between the 2 the kustoms are better just because you can put their shots onto any decent save target and do good damage.
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>>55361381
That's a fair point, the kustoms. I didn't think about the fact that they could potentially drop more multi wound infantry, or high armor infantry.
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Working on a vehicle heavy Imperial Fist list; how does this look for 2,500 points? Trying to add lots of anti TEQ and AT weaponry.
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>>55360629
Blood angels should have been released alongside Tyranids if the devastation of Baal was actually treated like the epic event they were building up to. Instead we probably won't get BA until the Khorne daemonkin/world eaters codex comes out.

Also betting That Russ and the space wolves codex comes out around the same time the tzeentch/thousand sons codex comes out.

Dark angels/lion are probably going to come out alongside Fulgrim/emperors children even though those 2 primarchs have nothing to do with each other and Fulgrim and Guilliman are the ones with major beef
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Are brigades worth making at 2000 points, or should I not be concerned with running them until 2500?
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I have two Vindicators part-way through the process of matching pic related. Sorta lost interest in completing the trio during 7th. Would it be better to just re-work them into Plagueburst Crawlers instead?
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>>55361531
Depends on your army. IG is a brigades best friend
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>>55359746
Friendly reminder in canon Tau females do not have breasts and all lewd art is just wishful thinking
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>>55360358
Zerkers honestly, though in a fight it comes down to who charges first.
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>>55361547
I'm Sisters.
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>>55361547
guard can get a brigade for like 600 points
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>>55360358
Genestealers. Berserkers are just 1/10000 of a percent behind them, though.
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>>55361551
Friendly reminder that all Tau have breasts to store water and dem hips come with their cloven feet.
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>>55361585
How? Why would you say that? GS aren't that much cheaper and for the same cost as a Patriarch or Broodlord, you can buy an Exalted Champ and Dark Apostle to buff them.
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>>55361614
Daily reminder that Cain says he could not tell the difference between Tau female and males with or without their armour.
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>>55361649
That's because they both have the breasts, weren't you listening?
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gonna buy a mars pattern leman russ from sylvia white. Any had any experience with this particular chinaman or model?
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>>55361551
Hush now.
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>>55361624
Genestealers are faster.
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>>55360955
>Play my new decently fluffy alpha legion army against someone for the first time today
>elite strike forces, chaos cultists, and lots of ambushing fire support
>standard alpharius stuff but i don't have too many models yet
>guy wants to play 2000 but I really only have like 1350
>ask him if it's okay for me to bring a traitor baneblade to fill points
>he's says it's cool since he's bringing a knight anyways
>tell him I wanna try out malific lords and he says he doesn't give a shit so I turn it into a supreme command with 4 of them
>each one gains their points back, some 10 times over
>vomiting mortal wounds, denying the witch, and one even went all DBZ and ripped one of his HQs apart
>after the game I appologized that I didn't realize how strong they are
Their power should be locked away, can't wait to have enough to run pure AL but I'm certainly never bringing lords again
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>>55361533
maybe...because DG cannot take Vindicators. But then again, if you already have 2 finished and the 3rd is nearly done...just toss in an HQ and use all of it as an allies CSM Spearhead detachment
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>>55361614
>>55361649
Guys just let people lewd what they want to lewd, it's [the current year]
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>>55361665
>all Tau are busty traps
For some reason I want to join the greater good now
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>>55361624
GS are faster, can infiltrate in...and get ap-4 or some shit on 6's
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>>55361624
Genestealers are faster, choppier, can infiltrate(unless you rape the lore and bring alpha legion zerkers), and don't forget the swarmlord can make them double move and secure some ridiculous charges
plus gene stealers are better breeders
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>>55361569
your lack of cheap troops choices makes it kinda hard to get a good brigade in at 2k. But if you are close to having the requirements for the brigade then it may be worth it to nab the extra 6 CP.
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Alpha Legion to fuck with my friend who plays Harlies (no invul save for you!) or Iron Warriors because they have way better colors and a 1000x better chance of actually getting updated?
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>>55361665
We have seen a shirtless male fire warrior. He had no tits.
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>>55361379
Pretty sure that's only the Blight-Haulers, which are amazing
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>>55361614
>Tau have breasts to store water
Fucking what?
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>>55361782
iron warriors
>literal trench diggers
>do the dirty work that all the other legions find demeaning
>primarch has crippling autism
>shit legion tactics
alpha legion
>captured a planet without firing a shot
>wins entire wars with just a few dozen marines in covert cells instead of pitched battles
>infiltrated every legion and stole their special units
>second after vulkan for how many times killed only to reappear
>trolls the high lords and inquisition on the reg
>best legion tactics
You know what you have to do
Love
alpharius
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>>55361859
>Implying
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>>55361859
>mfw a cultist asks if he just heard me say "for the emperor" during the battle
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>>55361695
Depends on the trait. Renegade Zerkers are about as fast, AL ones are technically fastest.
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>>55361848
>>55361719

It's just the dreams of degenerates and perverts. No good.
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>>55361892
Don't you and your boys have a heroic final stand to be making somewhere Dorn?
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>>55361738
Zerkers can be as fast, get better infiltraite, have vehicle options. The AP is big though, but suppose that depends on the target.
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What one character in 40k should stay absolutely perminantly dead with no chance of reincarnation/daemonification/plotfuckery?
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>>55361763
Well, technically, Zerkers can get double move with warptime.

I don't think they're choppier though? You get more attacks still.
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>>55361923
Business before pleasure.
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>>55361924
i love zerkers! just giving credit where it is due. the -4ap thing can devastate the proper targets.

but i love the 7 attacks per dude the zerkers get...potentially 10
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>>55361924
>using alpha legion berserkers
No
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>>55361940
Horus, there should be absolutely no way he returns
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>>55361940
Your favorite
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>>55361958
Aye, the target does matter a lot, true.
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>>55361940
Belakor should be sealed into the warp forever. Or Abaddon.
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>>55360469
Oh yeah, I almost forgot.

I don't know it it does anything to help the metal, but I drybrushed the black primer with admin grey before I put any color to it. I've heard that metalics are semi-transparent so it may have helped with this look.

Good night!
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>>55361551
But where are the proofs?
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>>55361971
The setting would be so much better if bel-man didn't exist
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>>55361963
Hey, going off rules not fluff.

Though, I may do it and fluff it as renegades they tricked/cajoled/engineered into position.
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>>55361983
See >>55361649
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>>55361714
Other way around. Only the one is finished. The others are not even primed yet, so wouldn't be too tough to re-work.
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>>55361940
Honestly? The Emperor. If he comes back it's basically GG.
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>>55361819
He was very dehydrated at the time. Aun'shi and Mr. Wheelchair Man's bodyguard have very pronounced breasts.
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>>55361983
Ciaphas Cain says that tau lack a lot of sexual dimorphism? fuck I'm a biologist and forgot the word for sexes looking similar
>"black library fan fiction"
7th edition Tau codex has a picture of a female battlesuit pilot in her entry plug suit, would not be thick enough to cover breasts, not even the slightest line to show a chest, not even the little UU lines to show small cups
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>>55362008
right on...well just fyi that Vindicator stratagem is bonkers. buddy of mine used it the other day against some Orks and just nuked a huge swath each time he used it
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>>55361696
Yeah... Malefics are a bit too much.
FW LoC too. On the topic of chaos
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If the rest of my army is comprised almost solely of HH Marines, would I be able to use CCW+Pistol Chaos Marines as Berserkers?
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>>55361988
>going off rules and not fluff
>mfw alpha legion is the new bandwagon legion
Nah I kid, if done right it can be cool, remember alpha legion loves to steal tactics and have other ways to get the same affect as chaos infused stuff
Like my raptors aren't chaosy or mutated, they are very tactical and each one has a small power field generator on their back to provide the invuln
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[SCREECHS IN BINARY]
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>>55362018
>the emperor is dead
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>>55361966
I mean I think that should be in universal agreement. The final battle and it's outcome is basically such a core plot element that saying somehow Horus could come back is so silly may as well make "body positive" sisters for their new plastics as well.
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>>55361971

Tesseract the fucker.
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>>55362076
Daily remember OPM season 2 will never happen
Life is suffering
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>>55361696
Malefic need the nerfed smite.
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>>55362153
You are actually causing me mental anguish by saying this, please stop.
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So when is the IG codex?

What stratagems do you think they'll get?
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>>55362134
>Trazyn collecting either Abby or Belakor
I'd absolutely love to see that happen.
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>>55362076
I liked them before, and was planning out a fun list so I'm glad they ended up good. Lots of chosen and cultists.

Likely gonna go with an Alpha Legion harrow that has fallen to worship of Slaanesh in the pursuit of being the perfect warriors.
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>>55362153
Don't forget to wish kotori a happy birthday anon
>>55362168
>nerf smite for him
>points increase
>nerf smite in general
One or all of these pls, also would there be anything wrong with making standard smite, not like GKs or anything, only once per turn?
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>>55361940
Be'lacuck, Abbadoo, Khayon...
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>>55362191
I'm trying to keep my alpha legion as non-chaos as possible, even plan on converting up an alpharius daemon prince instead of a normal one eventually , I want people to not know if I'm playing loyalist or chaos until they ask or I tell them
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>>55362213
Oh shit, I forgot about Khayon. Forget Abbadon and Belakor, even though I'd love to see them die. Fuck Khayon and everything about him, he needs to get super-mega perils of the warp'd and disappear into nothingness.
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>>55362186

Let the Grey Knights have him. Their own Codex hints that they've only ever captured precious few minor Daemons in them, and that they're antsing for the chance to nab something bigger. What with Draigo coming back more frequently he could lead them into a conflict with Bee Lacquer himself and cube the fucker.
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>>55362243
Don't the grey knights have a greater daemon bound to a skull in the hall where they celebrate their greatest victory so that he has to watch for all eternity as his enemies acknowledge their defeats of daemons?
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>>55362130
>30 S5 shots, rerolling ones
The Marines are the ones getting fucked here.
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>>55362263
Yep, he's bound to his own skull and locked by hexagrammic wards and continous chanting by 30 acolytes kept solely for that purpose.
>>
Waiter, my 40k is bland.
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>>55362300
My apologies sir
Shall I liven things up with good lore, memes, waifus, cool quotes, or awesome armies?
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>>55362288
>>55362263

Not precisely cubed, which would be more awesome.
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>>55362130
>Gentlemen marines notice oblivious tau unsure of where to go and offer directions
>Leader of the Gentlemen Marines lets the Tau know to first take a left followed by

*̫̠͇͎̮̯͉̀̋̆̀̑̒ͪ̈̆ͤ̀͞ͅi̶̸̴̧̨̥̬̠̽͑ͯ͐ͨņ̢̟̙̭̦̳̗͖͖̐͑͋ͪ̒̇̇̓̊ͤs̛̱͕͉̳͖̦̜͓̪͎̩̻̩̗͍̻̱̈́ͣ͋̂͋̈͞è̸̳̫̫̥̯̫͙͕̩͕͇̻̙ͨ̾́͂ͯ͗̽ͯ͊ͭ͒ͫ̒̿ͭ͋͆́͟r̨̥̙͍͈̱͍̯̘̪͓̙͕͍̬͍̟̈̌̆͗̆͐̐͆ͩ̓ͧ̒̚͡t̸̤̫͚͇̮̦̙̼͍̼̣̪̠ͧ̎̑ͨͤ͋ͮ̒ͅͅ ̢̬͇̫̦̮͇̪̘͈̟̖̙̯̥̖̈̉̐́͡ͅd̘̯̟͎͎̼̙̭͇̙͕͕̫̱͍̮̝͖̆̿̔̋̈́̎́ͬ̑̚̕͜i̧̛̛͕͎̙̟̩̭͔̣̜̰̩̗̙̣͎̖̞̳̥̋̆͑̇͐͂̿̈ͭ͐͗̌ͩ̀͐ͪ͛͘r̴̨̛̙̭͔̩͙̣̟̩̱̩͙̖̖̯̹͍̙̞̯̍̎̈́ͭ̑́̒ę̸̞͓͖͖̼̗̭̙̺̜̇̆ͤ̈ͤ̿̏̓͊̂̔c̸̨̱̳͖̻͓̱͖̦̼͖̥͇͇̺̳͇̠̍̀ͯ̒ͫ͋͜ͅṯ̵͈̼̜̃ͦ̎ͬ̈́̎̕i̶̸̧̻̥͈̜̹̰̻̯̮͗ͨ̆̎̉̾̈̐̚o̸̡͍̗̳̙͔̗͉͓̖̝̻̺̖̮̙̯̮̾ͪ͆͐̓ͬ̑ͦͨ̈́͌̒ͣ̀͑̃̕͞n̴̻̝͇̙̫̻̠̪̥̺̺̐ͫ̃ͮ̎͡*̛͚̦̱̟̺͍̫̥̮̺͕̠̯̄̊̔̋̃ͨͮ͆̾ͯ̓̕
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>>55362153
Wait...what?
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>>55362186
Probably Belacuck, just like at the end of the EoT campaign.
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>>55362206
Nothing wrong with smite. Just need to control who gets it.
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>>55362232
I like that aspect bit think its a bit done, though I will be subtle with it. Less spikes, subtle iconography.
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>>55362277
Depends on whose turn.
>>
No, not at all. Luther and the fallen were warped by chaos.
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>>55362314
awesome armies please.
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>>55361940
E and Horus
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>>55359673
t. willful ignorance
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>due to clumsiness, a tiny detail on my hard work was lost to chipping
Hold me /tg/
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>>55362168
I don't know why they don't have it. Warlocks cost more points, have less wounds, can't go super saiyan and have a 9" 1 wound smite. Admittedly their actual lore is better but it's not like you see armies built around warlocks so it isn't anywhere near worth it.
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>>55362452

The only thing you should be holding is pots of varnish.
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>>55362452
I hope you spill your nuln oil.
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>>55362153
>Not being more sad about Mob season 2

stay pleb
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>>55362522

We're all in mourning, anon. It's not the suffering Olympics.
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>>55359582
Yeah, just take multiple detachments and pay the HQ tax
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>>55362522
Can konosuba fans join in on the /agony/?
We also will never get a new season
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>>55362571
You got 2 seasons!
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>>55362464
>when Eldar are the balanced option
How times have changed
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>>55362153
>>55362181
>>55362206
>>55362522
>>55362541
>>55362571
>>>/a/ is the other way boys
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>>55362571

Sure, why not? Join us in our pity-party on this toy-soldier and make-believe forum board.
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>>55362571
Back of the line gaylord
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>>55362585
Never
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>>55362586
>>55362153
>tfw favorite anime is OPM
>tfw favorite army is sisters
What did I do in my past life to not diserve happiness?
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Good evening night /tg/
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>>55362509
Why would you even wish that upon someone, anon?
>>55362500
It was a little bit after a game with a bud actually, was packing models post-round. Wasn't even that bad of a fall, but yet a tiny part chipped off the model.
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>>55362607
>t'a'u players aren't w'eeabo-
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>>55362585
One day /a/ and /tg/ will combine their meme magic to make a seasonal 13 episode anime about neck beard culture with plenty of wifable girls in it inexplicably
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>>55361763
>unless you rape the lore and bring alpha legion zerkers

dawn of war is cited for its tau fluff so why can't AL zerkers be a thing?
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>>55362650
>/a/
>getting anything done
lmao
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>>55362583
you mean the trash option. warlocks are fucking garbo except for 1 to give out aura buffing when absolutely needed (like say a squad of shining spears, or for turbofuck mode spectres)
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>>55362585
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>>55362464
Because FW were rushed and didn't think it through.
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So /tg/, I'm painting Tau in Alpha Legion colors to accompany my Legionaries as a rogue/mercenary band. On a scale of 1 to Matt Ward, how much of a cheesedick am I and would you play against an army like that?
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>>55362642
At least it has best girl on it.
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>>55362700
What girl? All I see is a mangled corpse.
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>>55362699
I mean I'd play it for narritive reasons or something, otherwise you'd have to run them with cultist rules or play unbound, since I don't think there's any way for Tau to ally with chaos
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>>55362719
I was thinking separate detachment, unless that wouldn't work.
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With all this /a/ talk now would be a good time to ask
Who is best 40k girl?
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>>55362729
Lion'el Johnson
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>>55359787
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>>55362729
There are no girls in 40k, only men that vaguely look like them.
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>>55362729
Is that even a question?
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Yay for 2 generals.

Are ML devastator squads enough for long range anti tank?

Or do you need some LC in there somewhere
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>>55359922
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at Abbey Community College, and I’ve been involved in numerous competitive 40k games, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in the art of keyboard warfare and I’m the top troll in the entire Black Library stable. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. Then I'll write you in as some shitty stock character that gets his head blown off by Abbadon the Despoiler, while getting butt-fucked by some lesser demon. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting network Administrators at 4-Chan, and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can write about killing you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands, and, a pencil. Not only am I extensively versed in Chaos Lore, but I have access to the entire library of Games Workshop Black Library and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable faction of choice off the face of the this earth, you priviledged CYS male. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
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>>55362744
>in the grim dark future, there are only girls (male)
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>>55362762
Stale af.
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>>55362729
Lelith
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>>55361472
Anyone?
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>>55361984
Belicuck isn't the problem, it's literally just Carnac gargling his balls 24/7 and shitting up every thread he's mentioned in
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>>55362750
>>55362782

Indeed.
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>>55362764
top kek
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>>55362805
Dont play Imperial fists
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>>55361948
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>>55362805
Seems fine. I assume you're putting the meltas and plasmas in those landraiders, because otherwise they're not going to get in range for anything before your opponent cleans them up.
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>>55362621
You were Hitler
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>>55362764
Honestly the 40k setting would only be made better with the addition of more traps
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>>55361948
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>>55362913
What did Hitler do to deserve all that anyways?
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Which codexes will release in October?
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>>55362729
Nigga if you don't wanna fuck Celestine's thighs you're gay AF
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>>55362939
He played taudar
>>55362940
Nids or Eldar probably, guard confirmed for November
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>>55362940
Probably both nid and eldar
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>>55362182
Like the next month or so?
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>>55362953
Wtf i hate hitler now
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>>55362962
november, multiple sources confirm. enjoy your broken conscripts while they're unfixed
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>>55362953
>>55362955
Thought nid eldar in november?
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>>55362982
My two squads of 30 will instantly vanish anyways when platoons return
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I'm hurting for a good Astropath mini to counts-as. Anyone know of a good proxy? Pretty much every Astropath miniature GW has made is kind of sucky or bad.
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>>55362939
He was a mediocre painter.
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Are DEldar (not Ynnari) wych cult lists viable?
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>>55363059
wut?
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>>55363059
Yes
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>>55363036
I like this one, easily obtainable
http://blog.bitzbox.co.uk/blanchitsu-my-first-warband-part-3/
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>>55363059

For the most part, though brides are generally better for the extra attack. Wyches are cheap-ish tarpits in melee with toughness drugs, Reavers are still fast and grav talons are funny against groups of characters, and finally Hellions are surprisingly decent. They're squishy, but being able to Deepstrike a bunch of 12" move dudes with D2 weapons is pretty tasty.
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>>55363059
What are you playing against?
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Hey so I've been working my way through the Horus heresy (just finished book eight, battle for the abyss) and wanted to get some miniatures to paint, maybe play against a friend with.
I got around 350$, but zero hobbyist equipment.
Any recommendations on what to get? Are any of the Horus heresy era rank n file guys still alive? Would plague marines be the same dudes from back then? I guess dark imperium is a good place to start but these primaries space marines are newbornsm as far as history goes right?
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>>55363132
get betrayal at calth or burning of prospero, they are box sets set in 30k with forces designed to be used as opposing armies or as a single force. the prospero game isn't half bad either.

you can probably find some cheap 7th ed softback rulebooks if you're interested in playing during the HH timeframe more than 40k.

if you want to play 40k and like the chaos side of things (some of the marines are the same dudes of old, just more insane) what to get depends on what flavor of chaos you like more.
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>>55363036
Or perhaps this one, anon?
http://zealotminiatures.com/zealot-shop/#!/Void-Navigator-Regimental-Advisor/p/32468276
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>>55363130
The usual: Marines; Orks; Mechanized Guard; Eldar wraith list; Chaos and Daemons; and a Night Lords player whose list is basically all raptors, warp talons and bikers. They basically don't use forgeworld, though it's not like we have a prohibition against it.
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>>55362982
While Conscripts do need fixed, I hope GW doesn't overnerf them. Same goes for Tempestus.

I REALLY don't want to go back to running Chimera vets. It was like the least fun and shittiest list to play, but the only viable one.
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>>55363122

Chaos Sorcerer and Necromancer seem a little too... Well, armored and creepy respectively.

If I was doing a Navigator, I'd be all for a Necromancer, though.

>>55363207

I'd considered this guy as well, though he's a little too bland for my liking. Still, he's the best bet I've seen, though I'll probably give him a headswap: his current head looks more fit on an Imperial Guardsman than an Astropath, barring the blindfold, that is.
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>>55363216
You're fucked. Where do you get Dark Lances in Wych Cults?
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>>55363220
my wishlist for the coming codecies (I play CWE, GK and SM for reference and full disclosure)

1) Conscripts left alone, but the interaction with commissars fixed so that they are appropriately weaker to morale than standard troops
2) Tyranids getting a better option to run different styles than the current two of trygonstealers and horde spam.
3) Obsec on jetbikes (not necessarily becoming troops)
4) some of the CWE resin becoming plastic, it's long past due, and would be a nice thing for the eldar players that tried to stick with a faction we enjoyed even when the insufferable waac-ism bandwagon ran us over. thank fuck that is done.
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>>55363180
Do those figs come unpainted? Also if I wanted to transition later to 40k with some of the models would I be able to or is there a noticeable size/quality difference?
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>>55363220
Wasn't the only "competitive" guard list in 7th just a bunch of bodies and arty?
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>>55363304
Unless you're buying them pre-painted off of ebay every model comes unpainted and unassembled.
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>>55363272
Razorwings and Voidravens can take two, but I see your point.
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>>55363292
Deep striking Ulthwe Black Guardians
Saim Hann Wildriders with no penalty to hit
Wraith Wall 5++ makes Footslogging Iyanden viable
Alaitoc Rangers Shoot Twice with 1CP

Dream big brother!
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>>55363318
Sweet! One last question: is there a good starter hobbyist kit with clippers/glue/paints? The gw one seems a little.. pricey compared to similar products. Is the gw stuff higher quality?
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>>55363378
harbor freight is a good place for tools
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>>55363308
Emperors wrath and shitloads of autocannons or melta vet spam
Everything else renegades and heretics could do better, guard showed up in top five of very few tournies
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>>55363304
unpainted and unassembled, but marines don't take many colors to work up to a decent standard. best advice is to go with a base color you can get a decent spray for, the GW sprays save a lot of time on even and smooth basecoats, and actually match the pot paint unlike some of their older offerings.

All the stuff in BoP or BaC can be used as either regular 40k space marines or as 40k Chaos, if you decide to transition to 40k from 30k
(my own raven guard army is built to be usable in both games)
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>>55363364
I feel for iyanden purists the most. at least as saim-hann I never got too much shit because I ran shuricannon bikes and tanks, but iyanded players were suddenly all labeled waacfags even if they had the OG metals...

tbqfh scatterbikes can stay nerfed to shit to keep the people that didn't firesale them from ever coming back.
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>>55363272
>>55363351
Raiders, too. I play mostly Wych Cult and raiders get a lance. Voidravens/Razorwings are solid for lances and missiles. Reavers also get blasters. Don't forget that Wych squad leaders also get a blast pistol, so you could MSU wych troops, which isn't bad because once you get to 6 units, you have free reign over the drugs table (you have to use all 6 first).

Don't be afraid to take some Trueborn in your list, either. If you're worried about fluff, remember that Wyches put on shows, and dark eldar frequently to to raids just to watch the carnage. Who better to watch up close and personal than a bunch of haughty trueborn.
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>>55363378
You can just get a cheap pair of cutters and an x-acto knife. You can get cheaper paints from some other model companies.
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>>55363304

Different anon, but here are some of my CSM from the HH boxes. The one on the right is a MkIII from Prospero, and the rest are MKIV from Calth
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>>55363127
>Deepstrike Hellions
>12"

Anon, have you even looked at the index? They don't DS and move 14.
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>>55363531
Apparently I'm retarded. I thought they had the same rule as Scourges. Fuck. I've been cheating, and even then they were only decent.
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>>55363600
it's okay anon as a daemon player i feel the loss of being able to deep strike a lot and i was annoyed in 5th when i had to deep strike everything
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>>55363436
Our lasers are worse than mon'keigh lasers. How is that acceptable?
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>>55363528
Is that kantor blue as a base?
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>>55363760
I'd rather keep the -4 than str 9. especially when doom exists. Erasing characters with brightlances is fun.

why they nerfed starcannons that hard is beyond me. Damage 2 flat would have been better than D3
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>>55363864
I was talking about scatter lasers.
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>>55363809
Yea. They're basically done in the style of Duncan. I spray black then Kantor with Nuln shading and Hoeth? For highlighting followed by glacier from Reaper, which is also the base of my lightning. Kantor is a sexy blue, though. I think it's non GW name is Oxford Blue.
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>>55363880
even back in 7th I never saw much use in them on non-jetbikes. Most of the other options that share mountings outclass them since laser-lock disappeared

Also multi-las is heavy 3, scatter is heavy 4? so I dunno what you're actually on about.
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>>55363909
The points my man!
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>>55363760
we all knew that the elves wouldn't be king forever and we've been praying for them to get their just desserts for years
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>>55363936
My Ynnari is 12-0 in my meta, eat dick. No Elysian/Malefic Lord spam yet though.
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>>55363920
unless they were less cost than a shuricannon (~5pts) there is literally no reason to take them ever.

I have yet to be told a convincing use case where the shuriken cannon doesn't outshine it every time, the trade ends up being 12" of range vs the bladestorm effect since the extra shot will statistically miss most of the time from the incurred penalty of being heavy.
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>>55363936
I'm glad the powergamers moved on, but that doesn't excuse making things complete shit for the people that do like the faction.

or are you advocating what happened to IG post-5th where they met with a slow slide into oblivion until 8th?
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>>55363972
Point being scatlasers cost more than mon'keigh lasers but shittier.
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>>55363988
any less and they'd be the budget take on jetbikes and still unused on anything else. they're a relic of the past at this point, and instead of being cheaper should get something like laser lock back to make them more interesting vs the other weapons
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>>55363985
fair enough, but a lot of 8th feels like direct responses to what made eldar powerful. same with summoning being reigned in which i don't mind since you could grow your army for nothing
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>>55364070
the loss of the bullshit that was D-weapons and making large models ( IK and WK both ) not as overbearing as they used to be has done a huge amount. Jetbikes currently feel overnerfed and tend to shred like paper that feels bad for the points they cost, going to 4+ from 3+ has really hurt and it's easy to feel on shining spears vs regular windriders.
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>>55359280
>>55359280
>>55359280

Migrate.
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>>55363888
Do you shade the whole mini?, I was thinking of buying the Offical forgeworld "Night lord blue" just to see the difference,
Your night lords inspired me to try out a night lord colour scheme on a Primaris
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>>55364408
Aww shucks. Thanks!

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. These two were my test models (before I removed the left one from that stupid cork. The one on the right is fully washed after a highlight, and then shaded normally with some very thin highlighting to bring out the colors a bit.

Some tips by the way. I think full face skull mask isn't as good as a partial on the way down. Going about halfway down the grill/vents on the helmet is looks best. I'm debating doing that to the one on the left here, too.

Also, add a bit of white to the inside of your lightning. I know you're not finished (and frankly your speed amazes me), but the outline looks good.

Finally, you should do something to that aquila. Either slash it up with a file, or if you are feeling daring, shave down the feathers to make it look like bat wings.
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