Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

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First for Slaanesh

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First for tau learning melee

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Third for Lion.

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Hail Sigismund, champion of champions!.

>>55356925
You failed.

Guesses for the other Forge World dogmas?

First for respectable imperial citizens who should not be judged for the number of arms they think they emperor should have.

>>55356946
Or succeeded in a very understated joke.

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>>55356920

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>>55356920
Initiative 10
>>55356925
Initiative 2

>>55356925
still initiative 2 tho

>>55356966
Your forgeworld is +1 to wound against buildings.

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Have any of you ever fluffed your own location, event, or army in 40k as part of a group project with your friends?

Was planning to talk to my friends about possibly fluffing our own "Badab War" or something along those lines, in order to reinvigorate our interest in 40k.

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Thoughts on Plagueburst cralwer? Not as good as initially hyped due to Bs4 but still very tough and quite cheap.

Base cost is 110, mortar cannon is 0. It has 2 'mini gun' things which are 6/12 points. And it has two sponsons, which are 34pts or 40pts. (Spitters are 34, entropy are 40). So at most its 162 pts.

Which would you take in any case? 24", Heavy 3, S6, Ap-2, D1 (For 12 pts) or 36", Heavy 4, S5, Ap-1, D1 (For 6 pts). I think the second one wins out honestly.

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From GWs site. The three armies they gave they most importance in terms of drawing in new players - Primaris Marines, Chaos Marines, Tyranids.

Looks like nids are going to be the posterboys of the Xenos factions this edition.

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Psyker powers

>>55357010
Amongst xenos their range is the most complete and plastic, right?

>>55357013
We've seen all these.

Plague Wind still meh.

Gift of Contagion still meh.

Rest are good in many situations/all.

>>55357028
I figured most of it wasn't anything new, but took a picture to share for anyone behind

Mars or Graia?

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>>55356975
Stop putting cocks on the Daemonettes,

>>55357027
Either them or Tau, I think.

>>55357027
yes, though interesting news for the rumor mill:

called GW about when they're restocking eldar rangers, as they've been out of stock on the webstore for almost 2 months, date the guy gave me was October ~14th, which lines up exactly with when the Craftworld codex is supposed to drop. Could be nothing, could be plastic ranger kit.

>>55357027
Yes.
And they have very little Webstore Exclisive.

>>55357010
Almost wish i hadn't sold my 8k points of nids on 7E because I hated only flyrant spam being viable.

But nah, they're still a shit tier monobuild army.

>>55357003
Havent done the Math for the Weapons, but I'm pretty sure a Predator is just plain better and Cheaper.

its obviously tougher by having (on avg) 3 more wounds and a 5++,

so bland

>>55357040
Mars for Cawl, so far, but we've yet to see the Relics and Graia's strat.

>>55357010
Nids are so overplayed here I haven't touched mine in about 4 years because I was sick of bug vs bug games. Probably a good decision on GWs part to be honest.

I bet they'll also get a gigantic new expensive model.

>>55357055
They're top of mid-tier and have a Codex coming soon.

>>55357010
That isn't how you spell Eldar
In any case, the choose your faction page has Orks on the Xenos label.

>>55357055
Out of curiosity what is the monobuild this edition? Still flyrants? I haven't played mine in 8th yet

>>55357061
Predators are 30 points more expensive.

156~ vs 190~.

30 pts is a big deal for something that is much tougher and has a good amount of dakka on its own.

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>>55357052
That'd be very cool. I just started painting some eldar last night. Would love a foot-warlock character or any aspect units redone.

>>55357052
I still think its going to be CWE with plastics, Tyranids with nothing and then IG with plastics.

I'd love for Nids to get plastic Lictors but Im not expecting them to get plastic when the other 2 factions need it more and new Lictor models could be released with the GSC codex now that GW is willing to update models without their respective codex.

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>>55357072
>top of mid-tier
I'd say Nids are bit beyond that.

>>55357040
Cawl's abilities synergize so incredibly well with Mars dogma and WL trait. Also their Stratagem is siiiick.

Graia only looks decent but we didn't get their Stratagem.

>>55357048
Uhh no?

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Any guesses?

>>55357048
why would daemonettes not have cocks? Given their proclivities and all

>>55357105
Then you should probably pay more attention to tourney results.

>>55357048
Why did you even notice that you faggot lol

>>55357050
I don't think Tau has anything finecast aside from named character models?

>>55357119
Looks like a feather/quill thing. Aside from that, dunno

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>>55357040
Give Metalica a chance anon.

>>55357103
>I still think its going to be CWE with plastics, Tyranids with nothing and then IG with plastics.
It's going to be all three of those with nothing at all.

Anyone have an idea of the shipment time from forgeworld to Texas area?

>>55357119
looks like something that would sprout from the loins of a Keeper of Secrets

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>>55356927
I kinda miss chinaman

>>55357151
Which part of the state?

>>55356975
It's so sad that Slaanesh has all potential wasted by the appeal to faggots.

>>55357003
I like it. I'd take it just for the entropy cannons and rothail/slugger gun, if the mortar kills anything that's a bonus. I guess predators are more accurate and can pack more lascannons, but the crawler is tough as hell with an invulnerable save and disgustingly resilient.

And I'd probably go for the cheaper slugger, blight launchers and heavy blight launcher can do the rothail volley gun's job and more.

Anyone got a list that can beat imperial soup aka mortar & conscript spam yet?

>>55357160
Dallas

>>55357122
Because virgin neckbeards who arent gay get upset at their fapping material being taken by the ones who are gay.

>>55357138
Vespid and kroot hounds/ox, sniper drones, and commander.

So if I'm understanding the winters vidoe right, blightlords can take all flails, correct?
Because if so, then fucking christ, a 10 man unit with VotLW will be fucking ungodly good, esspecially if you stick a tallyman with them

>>55357159
Sadly we miss him for the same reason he left.

>>55357166
Are you sold on the heavy blight launcher?

It seems a bit meh to me. Its essentially 3 blight launchers with 12" more range... but at Bs4.

I think that plaguespitters are your best bet still, considering how well they synergy with Mortarion's -1 toughness aura against T4.

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>>55357182
Dallasite here. Where do you play?

>>55357182
Well then around 2 week is how long it ussually takes.
what are you ordering my fellow dallasanon?

>>55357119
none of the factions really like feathers. possibly human (whfb empire feather hats) or high elves

>>55357103
Releases confirmed so far:
>Space Marines NEW STUFF
>Chaos Space Marines
>Grey Knights
>Death Guard NEW STUFF
>AdMech
------------ if the pattern continues --------
>Craftworld Eldar
>Tyranids NEW STUFF
>Imperial Guard
>???
>??? NEW STUFF

>>55357210
I was thinking Tzeentch (looks like a scroll or tapestry behind it) but you're probably right

>>55357184
but no-one's taking anything away

>>55357210
Tzeentch (could be a few updates to the Thousand Sons line to bring them up to par with Death Guard) and Dark Angels (Lion is rumoured to be coming soon) both use feathers.

>>55357217

you mixed it up mate

>SM new stuff
>GK/CSM nothing
>DG new stuff
>CM nothing
>CWE new stuff??
> TYR nothing
> AM new stuff??
>???
>??? new stuff??

dual release weekends make things seem odd.

>>55357198
I'll be honest, I am a bit biased because tri-barrelled guns are my wargaming fetish. But it seems pretty good, not Heavy so no movement penalty, and effective against a range of targets. Was also thinking the drone's high speed (for death guard) would allow it to get at stuff hiding out of LOS in the backline, which DG may otherwise struggle to get to short of teleporting.

>>55357217
Also one of those ??? books will 100% be Thousand Sons.

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>>55357210
>>55357119
Probably AoS, but I could see it on some kind of Inquisitorial or Ministorum functionary. Something like this.

>>55357246
Putting a penis on a purple skinned boob demon makes it too outlandish for the straight virgins to fap to.

>>55357185
Oh right, I keep forgetting the auxiliaries even exist

>>55357217
CSM and GKs were the buffers. AM and Eldar probably will be too. The former is pretty new plus got Cawl and the latter got that whole new faction so they probably won't get anything this year. I think it has been a while since nid/IG had anything so they'll probably get something. Especially IG, what with nothing new coming with fall of cadia

>>55357247
how did i forget about the dark angels? hell i'm even turning 2 dark vengeance terms into a chaos lord and libby

>>55357170
Any chaos with brimstones and -1hit aura.

SM Rowboat blob with twin linked assault cannons, devastators and/or Leviathan Dreadnought

Anything ""Eldar"" that plays with the Ynnari rules.

Necron snipers

Ork boys

Sister of battle Dominon double dominion+Repressor Storm Bolter spam

Not playing the vanilla eternal war "missions"

SM Half-flyer armies with a Leviathan dreadn without going full retard with only fliers.

I could go on, too easy.

>>55357260
Yeah it has its uses, it is not affected at all by degradation except in terms of movement, unlike the melee and flamer ones which lose strength and attacks.

Not sure, it might work.

The fleshmower one looks like a noob-trap to me. 9 attacks at WS4? Meh.

>>55357206
Cab covered Ork trukks. Starting an Ork army, and while Trukks aren't the best, it lets me get 3 troop choices on the board with out having to paint 90 Orks. Which I plan to do, but I want to start getting games in sooner rather than later.

>>55357255
Well by that logic your list doesn't work either because GW will probably do another dual-release weekend.

So we could get CWE with new stuff, and then Tyranids/IG simultaneously with nothing and then the first unknown Codex with new stuff and the last book of the year with nothing.

Or the entire pattern could be off because GW doesn't strictly adhere to any particular release schedule or pattern.

reposting because i always get to the thread when it's about to end, please rate my army before I go play first game tonight

Pedro Kantor [9 PL, 170pts]

Primaris Lieutenants [10 PL, 150pts]
. 2x Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted stalker bolt rifle

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [6 PL, 90pts]: 5x Camo cloak
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. 4x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 4x Sniper rifle

Scout Squad [6 PL, 57pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter
. 4x Scout w/Boltgun

Tactical Squad [9 PL, 93pts]
. 4x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun

+ Elites +

Apothecary [3 PL, 55pts]

Company Veterans [8 PL, 105pts]
. 2x Space Marine Veteran: Plasma gun, Storm shield
. Veteran Sergeant: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Primaris Ancient [4 PL, 69pts]: Standard of the Emperor Ascendant

Sternguard Veteran Squad [14 PL, 144pts]
. 7x Space Marine Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Veteran Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Special issue boltgun

+ Heavy Support +

Centurion Devastator Squad [19 PL, 465pts]
. 2x Centurion: Centurion missile launcher, Two Lascannons
. Centurion Sergeant: Centurion missile launcher, Two Lascannons

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback [5 PL, 102pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon

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>>55357122
>>55357184
Just like Slaanesh I think Daemonettes are a big enough concept for both cocks and no-cocks.

>>55357255
I really hope GSC will get some more units

>>55357295
true enough, I'm just hoping for something for CWE that might help make anything other than jetbikes less of a pain in the ass.

currently eldar are hard to convert or model in interesting ways because of the amount of infantry that is still resin. even just making half of the aspects plastic would go a fucking huge way to giving us more conversion opportunities like our spiky cousins.

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>>55356893
>Deathguard have sevral detailed longform reviews
>STILL NOT CONFIRMED IF I CAN TAKE 5 FLAILS ON THE BLIGHT LORD
AHHHHHHHHHHHH, ITS ONE SIMPLE QUESTION BAHHH!!!!

>>55357096
biovores, tervigon+gants genestealers

This Chad Marine shit is frustrating you know? It's really frustrating. They don't play well with a lot of models I have, like Drop pods and rhinos and other transports. The scale makes some of my other models look really bad next to them like the old style Marines or dreadnoughts. But if you take them by themselves they don't have a lot of options and you can't customize them very well. They don't seem exceptionally better at most things. But it's clear they're going to end up replacing the other guys over the years. And there's probably a slew of new models that they haven't revealed yet. Who knows how bad it's going to fuck up the other Marine chapters with codexes? If I was a Blood Angels, Dark Angels or Space Wolves player I would be concerned.

Horus Heresy will provably get messed up by all of this too. I feel bad for all the guys who have bought Space Marine infantry models from them, only to have father GW put out larger scale models and say 'this is the new standard!'

Should I just give up on Space Marines for now? Work on some daemons or xenos army? There has to be some armies they aren't going to fuck up with new releases.... right?

>>55357304
fair enough, personally I think daemonettes should be able to deal with the penis issue on an ad-hoc basis. That said, aren't the claws razor sharp extended clitoris anyway? I'm sure somewhere it says that wrecking shit with their claws is what gets them off

>>55357335
The winterseo video implied you can, since the only limit mentioned is only 1 in 5 can take heavy weapons. But flails are also looking to be the WAACfag option, so maybe keep that in mind

>>55357363
>chad vs marinelet baiting
Oh fuck off, I thought we were done with this shit

>>55357379
:(
What i REALLY wanted was 3 flails, and 2 lauchers/swords but thats dead.

How many flails can i have max before being accused of being a faggot, thats the real question

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>>55357184

Daemonettes are canonically androgynous hermaphrodites. So not only do they have both sets of bits, but they're as masculine-looking as feminine. That's why they only have one tit.

>>55357003
Bs4 it's garbage

>>55357393

Not baiting I'm genuinely frustrated by it.

>>55357363
Upscaled Ork models wouldn't bother me, after all their fluff allows for size differences already.

>>55357418
That's why people hate 4th ed Daemons.

>>55357097
did the math out of boredom feel free to correct me if I did it wrong

Against T8/7 3+ save, Predators, 4x Lascannons 190pts, do 5,2 Wounds

Crawler, With Mortar and 2 Entropy 150 pts, does 3,4 wounds against T8 3+
Against T7 it does 4,2 Wounds.

So 1 or 1,8 (Mortal) Wounds per Turn on Average
or
40 Points +1T and more 3 Wounds (on Avg. Disgustingly Resilient Rolls)

Its definitively a good Unit, but once you lower its BS to a 5+ its pretty unimpressive .

Against Tougher stuff Id properly rather take the Predator, but I couldnt pick DG Units anyway

>>55357425

Orks can get away with it but its particularly egregious after all of the new updated Space Marine kits they turned out over the last few years.

>>55357327
They are. We're introducing a new rule that lets you ally GSC with any ONE of the following factions.

Tau
Eldar
A Non Space Marine Imperium.
A Non Chaos Space Marine Non Daemon chaos faction. (currently there aren't any factions in the official line that fit this criteria, but it could be useful for renegades and heretics, or some releases we're working on).

You can't mix and match, you have to pick one faction keyword, if you pick at all.

We'd like to encourage some interesting kitbashing, so we're adding a few new units that won't have models from an official GSC release. Instead we'll release some very useful bits packages to make things look like they're from a genestealer cult. Extra arms, heads with extra eyes, and such, for eldar, human, and tau figures.

>>55357339
>>55357072

That's not even close to being right. Exocrines, Swarmlord, Malanthropes, and Genestealers are the only good units in the codex. That's why we got second to last place at the NOVA open.

>>55357461

Was that Army list posted anywhere by chance?

>>55357424
Ok, then don't get primaris. And even then, they're roughly the same height as termies, and yet nobody complain that termies make other models look bad because of their scale

>>55357451
>Another playtester
Why do we have so many of you running around
Ork and Tau codex when?

>We
So, who are you pretending to be today? Or is this a case of multiple personality syndrome, or do you think you're the Queen?

>this larper is still around just making shit up
Not even going to give you a (You)

>>55357429

That's because you're all dumb virgins. Why would the god of lust design his servants to appeal to less than half the population?

>>55357485
wishful thinking. we want 40k to be cool, but know it won't.

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>>55357119
Anon, thats a vagina.

>>55357255
>>55357217

I want to believe the Anon who posted the Chaos Daemon Rules a few threads ago and hope Daemons get new Models after Guard.
Like the Snpernettes would finally give Chaos a non-FW Unit that can Hit Characters.

But even though I dont play them,some Thousand sons stuff would be nice.
I feel bad for them that DG, which is probably the Cult Legion the least people cared about, gets so much stuff while they only got 5-6 new Units

>>55357518
Anon, that's a vagina.

>>55357435
Honestly I think I would run it with spitters and just drive full speed into the enemy, if they blow it up then hey they can enjoy their d3 mortal wounds.

>>55357496
to be fair females have historically had broader appeal than hermaphrodites

>>55357496
>compromise and appeal to no one

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>>55357416
Well, we know that 1 flail and 4 maces makes you a faggot, if that helps.

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>>55357266
Don't save the medium resolution, silly billy.

>>55357496
Why would the god of lust design his servants to appeal to less than 10% of the population?

Getting 50% by appealing to men is better than getting 10% by appealing to people with mental illnesses.

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>>55357451

>>55357573
Savage

>>55357573
Kek

>>55357461
I feel like the only thing nids are really missing other than point balancing is a solid LoW to compete with the knights+magnus portfolio

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>>55357518
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at Abbey Community College, and I’ve been involved in numerous competitive 40k games, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in the art of keyboard warfare and I’m the top troll in the entire Black Library stable. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. Then I'll write you in as some shitty stock character that gets his head blown off by Abbadon the Despoiler, while getting butt-fucked by some lesser demon. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting network Administrators at 4-Chan, and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can write about killing you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands, and, a pencil. Not only am I extensively versed in Chaos Lore, but I have access to the entire library of Games Workshop Black Library and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable faction of choice off the face of the this earth, you priviledged CYS male. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

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>>55357573
O...Oh...i just want some doods with flails :(

>>55357594
What they're really missing is a unit that can deal with bubble wrapped characters. You could do it with a harpy rules tweak, or adding a sniper nid.

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>>55357573

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>>55357477

Sorry m8 that just isn't true they are taller than Terminators.

>>55357061
>its obviously tougher
and T8 with FnP

>>55357577
>design his servants to appeal to less than 10% of the population?
What his servants appear as what appeals to the viewer.

>As in if you see it as a dickgirl I have some bad news for you.

>>55357604
So use flails. It's not like deathguard are amazingly OP.

>>55357606
Imagine if lictors could flesh hook yank things towards them like in dow2....

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>>55357642
>T5 FNP 4++ 2 Wounds <50 points
Pfff yeah, bahaha, pff, good one anon

>>55357650
I'd cream my pants. That is exactly what nids need.

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>>55357577
not gonna lie, I'm genuinely surprised that 10% of the population wanna fuck traps

>>55357663
>>55357642
Maybe a stratagem? Might b cool.

do dozerblades do anything in the new edition? just bought a vindicator for my Wolves

>>55357611
Litterally just measured an indomitus termie and a primaris. Primaris base to top of head is slightly over 1.5", the termie base to top of back is slightly under. Unless that one their thirtysecond of an inch makes all the difference, then they're the same.
And if it does, your an autist supreme

>>55357063
You tried this last thread and got no bites.

>>55357671
Eh. I guess, but then it really isn't a useful solution, because every commisar the cheesedick IG player in your store fields is a command point tax for you.

Modifying the flesh hook or lictor rules would do it. I think some people were working on that last thread.

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>>55357611
>>3rd company
-brother-

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>>55357577
>>55357570
>>55357184
>>55357048

>Straightfags

Boring people shouldn't be allowed to play Slaanesh.

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I hope gw plans on buffing snipers now that herohammer is in full swing.

>>55357693
You just gave him a bite, great job.

>>55357698
Do the Fists really have a fleet stronger the Space Wolves?

>>55357703
>straight

nigga if I wanna fuck a dude it ain't gonna be one with one tit.

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Which stub gun do you think looks best?

One is a 'volley gun' one is a 'slugger' Which is which do you think?

>>55357048
>didn't even notice the cock
Damn anon you gay

>>55357707
>tfw your army doesn't have snipers in herohammer
>tfw your army doesn't have a hero in herohammer
With the way they keep introducing power creep by the time I get a Fulgrim model he'll somehow be the strongest primarch.

>>55357729
one on the right

>>55357737
You can include renegades to get snipers.

>>55357721
I realized that as I hit send. I feel deep shame.

>>55357779
Wouldn't I lose my Legion trait for that?
As well as every other special rule I have?

>>55357794
No, read the rules.

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>>55357737
I hope Sanguinius is the strongest 40k Primarch!

What? Why are you guys looking at me like that?

>>55357794
No, GW was stupid. As long as you keep your legions in their own detachment, separate from the renegade detachment, you keep your legion trait and special rules.

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>>55357779
hey could just give csm a dedicated sniper character/unit, exodus' imposter would be pretty fucking rad

>>55357724
They have the phalanx, which is as strong as a small fleet by itself

>>55357737
Fulgrim
>Brother slayer: Against <Primarch> this model ignores invulnerable saves

>>55356893
>the shitty op image I made months ago is still in use
Simpler times.


Anyway, a question. How are Contemptors in 8th compared to their boxier brethren? I'm considering starting a Chaos army but I was never a fan of the Helbrute model.

>>55357806
>>55357811
Yeah but then I'd need a whole other detachment, which either costs me command points, or I'd need to include three squads and a HQ, plus I don't have any models that would represent them and I'm not even sure which models DO represent them.
>>55357830
That might be too good, free Death Hex that can't be denied against Primarchs.

>>55356893
Well at least enginseer is an HQ now. Would like a transport though.

So considering that it looks the Big 4 traitor legions are getting their Primarchs before everyone else in Chaos, and it looks like their loyalist counterparts are getting their own Primarchs before everyone else in the Imperium, how will GW get around Sanguinius being dead? Resurrection through the Sanguinor? More Ynnari soul fuckery? Or will they skip Blood Angels after Dark Angels/Wolves get Lion and Russ back and go for a codex-compliant chapter like Imps or Sallies?

>>55357830
Fulgrim only has one complete kill. If we are counting non-permanent kills than the title should go to Curze who has like 80 primarch kills in that case.

>>55357737
>With the way they keep introducing power creep by the time I get a Fulgrim model he'll somehow be the strongest primarch.
Doubtful. The primarchs thus far have been all equally powerful, just in different areas. Guillman is the most powerful buffer, morty is the toughest, magnus is the best at magic.
It'll be interesting to see how they make the combat primarchs like russ, fulgrim, the lion, angry ron and maybe Sanguinus if he comes back. I suppose they could have them focus on different aspects of combat

>>55357852
You could just nominate a few units to lose their legion bonus. Ones that don't actually use it.

Which legion are you?

>>55357869
>What are Ferrus's clones

>>55357869
1.5 kills
Anyway Vulkan like Celestine doesn't count.
Immortality just means reliable jobbing and constant dying

>>55357195
HE LEFT?!!?

>>55357864
They could buff Sanguinor to primarch levels and keep it as the Sanguinor as opposed to Sanguinius but I would love to see Dorn in a Dreadnought.

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>>55357869
Fulgrim killed Ferrus ang Guillman in duel.
Curze just murdered imprisoned Vulkan.

>>55357869
Guilliman should count because he was buttraped so hard he may as well have been dead.

>>55357830
>brother slayer
>anyone but russ
come on anon, fulgrim has exactly 1 primarch kill, and even that might change if they decide to bring ferrus back.

New Tau units when

>>55357878
I'd like to see Sangy coming back not as he was but as some kind of Yncarne style 'manifestation of the Curse'.

>>55357905
When Codex Farsight Enclaves comes out.

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Nurgle bless

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>>55357737
>we will never get a grot codex
feels bad, man

>>55357907
That'd be neat. Play up the vampire aspects as he's sort of undead, maybe some rules to do with gaining strength from kills?

>>55357903
Russ have 0 and was rekt in all his duels, Magnus almost killed him if not his Wolves.

>>55357909
>One solar system

>>55357922
It's been all but outright stated to be 2.5: the lost primarchs and then shattering magnus.

>>55357878
Well if Fulgrim goes with the theme that Slaanesh has always had, he'll be a horde wiper, dishing out massed low damage, high AP attacks.
So his strength against other Primarchs and monsters would probably be along the lines of dishing out enough attacks that even if they save most of them there's still enough wounds going through to kill them, or at least cripple them.
>>55357879
Emperor's Children, downloading the Astra Militarum index now to have a look.
I suppose I could run a second detachment with a HQ, some Marauders, and two squads of Noise Marines at minimum size, the Renegade stuff looks cheap at least.
So if I do start trying renegades what should I grab? I have some cultists that I never use that I got by splitting a Dark Vengeance box with someone.

>>55357917
Yeah. I've been idly tossing rule ideas around in my head and trying to think of ways people would break them, like having him be brought in from reserve within x distance of dead BA but trying to find a way to avoid people straight up sacrificing units to get him to appear. Unfortunately I'm no designer.

What size magnet do I get for my miniatures

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>>55357703

>female:"table"

>>55357974
That commissar is cute

>>55357907
They touched on Guilliman "not being the same" since he died. It's suggested that the poison on he blade also poisoned his soul, but Guilliman also muses that perhaps his soul decayed because he didn't truly die, his soul was never attached to anything and wasn't "nourished". Maybe this applies to Sanguinius too because it's a fan theory that his soul can leave the warp much like a daemon's, but he doesn't exist within the warp like a true soul either.

>>55357947
I'm more convicted that II and XI legions were lost in Rangdan Xenocides than Russ kill them. Come on did Russ even did anything right?

>>55357299
Im trying to wrap my head around this. What is your answer for hordes and bubble wrap? Are you going to rely on the devastators to attack long range arty?
Why invest so many points in your command squad, 1w models? Abblative wounds, just take shields.
Why not a Chapter or Company Ancient instead of Primaris. If your going to stick w Command squad, add more dudes and plasma to get a decent firing base to protect PK.

>>55357729
3 barrels looks like an ork creation.

Do we know if the tank sponsons are optional or not?

>>55357980
My favourite theory is that he's dispersed amongst the BAs, like the Malkavian Madness Network from cWoD.

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So, the plague go-cart: How to use it?
- One as moving cover zone and to provide heavy guns to a squad of plague marines?
- Squad of three to race across the flanks and deliver firepower as needed?
- Something else entirely?

>>55356979
Well I'll just build a ray that turns things into buildings!!

>>55357950
It'd be neat if Fulgrim can ALWAYS can always perform an interrupt in combat because he's so fucking fast.

You charge him you don't get to go first because EC faction trait, and he can interrupt any combat in any turn. It make make him retarded OP, though.

>>55357003
BS4+
Maybe is for the best, this is the tanky ones, Predators are full dakka.

>>55357952
It's bad game design IMO to have your super special model that costs lots of points require you to have one of your own dudes die. I'd represent it by having him have special rules that are uber-versions of the red thirst and black rage, like getting +1 wound for every unit he kills for the thirst, and then having him get something like +1 attack, strength, and maybe FnP equivalent whenever he charges or is charged for the black rage?

>>55357980
I feel like that's just the characters assumptions. What kind of Primarch wouldn't change after seeing the imperium decaying 10k years later and after literally experiencing death and rebirth

>>55357996
It would make sense. He personally felt the death of every Angel (which was why he was such a great guy to his legion), so they now feel his equally. I kinda feel as though the Sanguinor and Dante will merge. If Sangy did disperse to his sons, I think Dante got the biggest chunk.

>>55358008
He is supposed to be stupidly fast, and it would discourage everyone from charging him, forcing everyone to rely on trying to shoot him to death.
Let him Fall Back, Advance and Charge all in the same turn too, just for added "Do not get into melee with it, it has 6 swords and can swing them very fast."

>>55357980
The Sanguinor is a manifestation of Sanguinius

>>55358000
Send Mortarion and Deathshroud with one. When Morty gets hit, use the Deathshroud to intercept the hit and still get a decent save.

>>55358000
How about with pox walkers to give them a save at all?

>>55358064
>Let him Fall Back, Advance and Charge all in the same turn too,
Haha, fuck no. Advance and charge is one thing, but advance, charge and fall back? Unless he's also the most fragile daemon primarch by a good margin then that's way to broken

Good evening /tg/

What is the best way/format for posting army lists on here? Would love some advice.

Very casual player but looking to become a bit more strategic/thoughtful with my play.

I wonder if Fulgrim will be getting his old legion back together. And there seems to be a fair number of ex-EC blokes in Abby's crew, so that could be a source of inter-traitor conflict.

>>55358089
See
>>55357299

Anyone got a unit list for Codex: DG? I saw some image floating around, but can't find it.

>>55358087
I think it would be fair if he was fragile. Give him 10 wounds, with a 3++. Fulgrim was never a tough dude, but he was so skilled in close combat that he would best everyone save perhaps Sanguinius and Horus and Angron.

>>55358087
He probably will be pretty fragile by Daemon Primarch standards to be fair, plus at that point it's just another layer of "do not charge this Primarch it will not help" because you can't lock him into combat.
As a weakness you could add "When this unit falls back, he only advances D3 and charges D6"

>>55358090
When Daddy calls, all answer, even the most broken legions fall in line with their Primarch. Considering Fulgrim and his legion are now loyal to Abaddon I assume the EC within the Black Legion will probably stay there or be some sort intermediary between the two groups, perhaps untrusted by their parent legion.

>>55358133
>when daddy calls, all answer
Except if your Mortarion lmao

>>55358105

Thank you! Is there a way to copy paste this information off battlescribe to save me typing it all out?

>>55358133
Emperor's Children have been looking for Fulgrim's pleasure planet for a while so that might be a thing.
I'm sure we're grateful to Abaddon for giving Slaanesh a psyker body to parade around in too though so it's not like Fulgrim will try to ruin Abaddon's day.
Emperor's Children and Black Legion will probably be getting along for a while unless the psyker body doesn't work.

Any of the black library books full on rogue trader stories? Not eisenhorn or ravenor

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Someone should make a "that's a paddle" meme with Death Guard mortal wounds.

>>55358125
>>55358131
I think M12, WS&BS2+, S&T6, W12, A12, LD10 Sv2+ 5++, becoming 3++ in close combat seems fair. He's fast as fuck, ungodly in close combat, but not very tough and he can be shot down. Plus then most everything is a multiple of 6.

The Ynnari have coaxed Magnus into the webway. They're leading him to Jaghatai. Jaghatai will beat him to a pulp, and then drag him to Terra.

There, he will reconcile with Daddy Emprah and, with the Astronomican powered by Magnus, the Emperor will allow himself to die and be reborn.

>>55358233
Can the khan beat magnus?

>>55358248
The Khan can beat literally anyone.

>>55358248
He Khan.

>>55358232
I'd be pretty happy with that, being able to advance and charge with M12 means he can cross the board at an ungodly speed.

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>>55358233
Not going to happen. Get your shitty TtS memes out of here, Magnus in 40k is a daemon faggot who literally does not even possess the compassion he used to have.

>>55358248

If Guilliman can power slam demon Magnus, then Khan should have no problems with a Starweaver on loan.

>>55358248
>>55358285
He can when he's been chilling in the Black Library with the Harlequins

>>55358164
I think so

Who else dislikes edge highlights?
I mean they look good on some things, like the light green on necron stuff comes to mind, but must every plate on a knight titan have this unnaturally bright edge to it?

Probably just sounds like i'm a lazy shithead that doesn't want to highlight.

>>55358308
>Probably just sounds like i'm a lazy shithead that doesn't want to highlight.
Absolutely not, anon. Really

>>55358308
Painting tabletop models is a balance between realism and aesthetic.

Edge highlighting is fine in moderation. Thick highlights are ugly. Thin ones are nice.

>>55358308
They emulate the light catching on raised edges. You can go beyond and make it more realistic with OSL but otherwise a standard highlight is just required to make certain details of that kind pop. Get two of the same model, highlight one and just look at the differences.

>>55358336
I think there's something to be said for "overly" thicc highlights.
Up close, of course, they might look overdone. But at tabletop distance, they can bring out the definition in a small model.

>>55358308
Its a fucking trick to apply thin consistant line. Took a class with Caleb and Kat, and they said practice and repetition

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So if I add Renegades and Traitors to my list what Guard model should I use?
I don't feel like buying the renegade militia upgrade kits from Forge World, so I'm thinking modelling them after Vostroyans. They obviously won't actually be Vostroyans, that'd be like using Chaos Krieg I imagine, unless I can totally run them as a fallen unit of Vostroyans in which case I will.
Is there any better options? I don't feel like Cadians or Catachan.
Whatever I pick I'll probably fluff and paint them up like they're loyal to my Emperor's Children.

>>55358377
Genestealer Cults, its not like they are immune to chaos taint and there's been Chaos Genestealer Cults before.

>>55358308
Highlighting is already a kind of optional technique imo.
Lazy fucks are those who only put primer on their shit and call it a day.

>>55358368
Depends on the difference between the brightness of the base color and the highlight color.

I think T H I C C highlights look ugly as fuck most of the time. There are very few situations where it looks good, even at a distance. Unless of course if to achieve an effect, but again this is very limited.

>>55358256
I've never read HH series but I was under the impression Russ was the strongest in combat. What are the power rankings for the primarchs in close combat?

>>55357119
Not 40k, hopefully not chaos or signatures, guilds hopefully for imperial guard conversions.

Funny how most AOS shit is more appealing for 40k players for 40k instead their own game.

Death Korps: do I need the banners for my army? Got the marshal HQ set but the rod is fucked up, not especially a fan of the model in the first place. Rather use them as special weapons bearers.

>>55358386
I hadn't considered them, do they have snipers? That's part of the whole reason I'm adding some R&H to my army.
I'm not sure I like the bald heads either, and they're a little more expensive than Vostroyans.

>>55358464
I think every army needs a banner but that's just me

>>55358439
The Russ in no way was the strongest in combat. He fought Lion to a stalemate (and still got knocked out (butthurt furries call this a sucker punch though rofl)), he couldn't beat Angron but he didn't intend to (more wolf wank, but he couldn't beat Angron in a 1v1) and he couldn't beat Magnus. Magnus and he would have killed each other in combat - granted Mag had psychic powers helping him but alls fair in love and war.

>>55358439
>Russ was the strongest in combat
>Beaten to a pulp by Angron 1v1
>KO'd for days by a sucker punch
>Spent the Heresy getting his legion slaughtered, first by the Thousand Sons, then Alpha Legion and finally Sons of Horus

Leman "Not in the face!" Russ is nothing but bravado.

>>55358439
Angron, Sanguinius, Lion, Khan and Curze are probably the top 5. Followed by Russ, Vulkan, Fulgrim, Manus etc.

>>55357255
>>SM new stuff
>>GK/CSM nothing
>>DG new stuff
>>CM nothing
>>CWE new stuff??
>> TYR nothing
>> AM new stuff??
>>SW nothing
>>Dark angels new stuff??

>>55358469
Fair, though +1 Ld and A to an army that takes no morale penalties for shooting, doesn't melee well, and already has a huge Ld9 bubble (which, admittedly, would go to Ld11) to deal with melee doesn't seem especially worth it to me.

>>55358475
>he couldn't beat Angron but he didn't intend to
This is wrong, russ had angron in a position were he could easily have him killed, even lorgar admits that. I'm no fan of the yiffs, but don't spread lies

>>55358308
I think people just overdo it most of the time. They see a guide or a Duncan video where highlights are done on almost every edge, but they're done subtly and built up on the corners, and then when they do it themselves they just slap one thick highlight on every single edge and think it works when it doesn't. I grimace a little every time I see someone's painted Tau suits that look like they've got Tron lines all over them when it's just an edge highlight on literally every edge on every armor plate.

Just finished Blood Reaver.

Good book.

RIP: Hound, Maruc andVandred

>>55357909
>This meme again

>>55358495
I put Fulgrim above Curze, easily. Fulgrim was ungodly in combat but his flair and penchant for roistering made him weak to the combat smarts of Sanguinius and Lion and the unbound savagery of Angron.

>>55358509
Russ got beaten to a pulp by Angron you dildo. The wolves only ended up surrounding him because his Legion didn't give a fuck about Angron.

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hi im such an undecided newb that i think im gonna buy Dark Imperium since I can get i for $90 USD and I'll be able to do 1000pts each of Mantis Warriors and "your dudes" Death Guard warband. As far as paints go I was wondering if pic related (the army painter mega set 3) will provide me with a good range of colors to paint up the Death Guard? not really worried about my mantis warriors marines

>>55358503
Oh you meant for gaming reasons, I thought you meant having a banner in general. If that's your only model with one I would keep it, otherwise turn it into whatever you need, I don't know deathkorps rules.

Every army needs a good banner for the display case

>>55358509
By his men, Angron beat Russ to an inch of his life and had the Wolves ready to kill Angron if Russ died but Angron did beat the shit out of Russ 1v1. What that proves is that Russ is the better general but Angron is the better fighter.

>>55358538
Curze almost killed Bobby G and Big L in a 2v1.

>>55358509
Angron would've killed Russ-he halfway killed him-and been killed by the ten gorillion yiffs avenging their dad, russ thought he had the moral victory somehow but never got it that angron didnt care about moral victories.

>>55358439
Wrong place to ask this question, you won't get any acknowledgment of Russ being good at anything, in fact the first two replies to your post are extremely dishonest. This is because Magnus The Dindu is extremely popular on /tg/ and making excuses for him fucking up humanity is a popular past time.

>>55358509
Were talking about close combat 1v1, faggot. Like I said, Russ didn't intend to beat Angron in combat. He was trying to prove a point that combat isn't everything, but Angron didn't fucking care. Don't missinterpret shut, Mr not!furfag
>>55358554
Didn't he set up a fuck ton of traps and shit? I still say Fulgrim would beat Curze but he wouldn't walk away unscathed. I also think that Lion didn't have his shit together which why he got humbled by Batman.

>>55358439
Sanguinius, Horus, Angron Fulgrim, Khan.

>>55358548

Russ jobbed to prove a point about teamwork. Its important to note, since Angron has only continued to job hard since his daemonic ascension while the wulfwulfs continue to embarrass the traitors through the power of teamwork with Khornate weapons.

>>55358564
and the dishonest lies keep piling up..

>>55358475
>>55358476
>>55358495
>>55358538
>>55358540
I'm guessing Horus doesn't count in these arguments either since he took on the emps and killed Sanguinius, that puts him in his own category

I missed the Aggressor discussion (if any) a few generals back. Raven Guard Aggressors (just 3 of them) that are Infiltrating, would I be better off with boltstorm gauntlets + grenade launchers and getting to shoot twice as many shots, or flamestorm gauntlets?

>>55358546
>tfw your army has a standard chaos marine with an Icon of Excess
>and a Noise Marine with another Icon of Excess
>and a Lightning Claw Chosen marine with yet another Icon of Excess strapped to his power pack
>and one of the bikes has it strapped to the back of his bike like a spoiler
I just need two more and I will be complete.

>>55358554
And got beaten by the Lion before and after easily like a little bitch. Lion even took him alive.

How's my math on this? 2x kastelans in defender protocol firing HPB's at Morty. Just fyi I'm terrible at math.

36 shots, half hit (BS4+), wounds on 5+ (T7 vs S6) so a third of them wound so 6 wounds, 4++ invuln means half get through so 3 damage, a third of which is saved by disgustingly resilient, so 2 wounds.

>>55358579
Horus before chaos was good but not noteworthy like Sanguinius, Fulgrim or Angron and Horus post-Chaos aint natty, that shit is just unfair.

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How should one run reivers? how should they be played?

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>>55358564

>>55358573
>jobbed to prove a point about teamwork
But he flatly, undeniably lost in a 1v1, and the question was about whether he was good in a fight

>>55358000
Both of those are good. I also like the idea of using them as single model tarpits, since 8 wounds at T7 with 3+/5++/5+++ and -1 to hit is going to be a serious struggle for a lot of units.

>>55356980
My friends and I have done just that. Our sector is behind the Eye of Terror, around where Caliban was (ironically, none of us play Dark Angels.) we have our own planets, territory, and lore about how our armies arrived there.

>>55356925
They say codex might bring Enclave melee suits.

>>55358573
Russ couldn't touch Angron even if he didn't intend to job. Furfags will never accept that their Primarch isn't teh best evar.
>>55358579
I think it's not fair to discuss Horus in Chaos form because he was far above everyone. In normal form he would utterly own everyone bar Angron and Sanguinius and Khan.

>>55358609
Who is "they"

>>55358603
a more accurate picture would have the trash can saying "i play space wolves" or "russ did nothing wrong"

>>55357048
Ah fuck I hadn't noticed

>>55358625
People.

>>55358226
Yes, someone should

>>55358632
Let me guess, our plentiful playtesters

>>55358625
chaos

>>55358614
>Russ couldn't touch Angron
fanfiction. Russ lost on purpose, to prove Angron a lesson. This is canon. Also stop pretending "furfags" are somehow a problem. The "le khorne berskerkers can kill anything11! angron is the best at everything!!1 blood for the blod god xd" crowd is much more prevelant and much worse

>>55358601
Oh so Horus was already pretty badass before he went out of control. I'm guessing based on these responses the top 3 are Horus sangy and angron in no particular order

>>55358564
It's because Russ is a fucking normie

>>55358662
You are wilfully ignoring the point because you a blatant space furry who refuses to accept his primarch isn't a Mary Sue to surpass Draigo

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>>55358662
fuck off yiffer

>>55358662
>The "le khorne berskerkers can kill anything11! angron is the best at everything!!1 blood for the blod god xd" crowd is much more prevelant and much worse
I see more furfags on here than them the only chaos people that are like furfags are the abaddon folks, and funny enough they use the same reasoning of "he lost on purpose for some convoluted reason".

Death Guard codex where?

>>55357099
Looking bretty gud anon. I've also recently started painting some eldar. Focused mainly on wraith units tho.

>>55358030
You're right, I guess. I just liked the image of him bursting vengefully from a dead BA's pool of blood.
>>55358049
Yeah, and since he's psuedo-fated to reenact Sangy's defense of the Palace, I fully expect him to basically become a Sigmar/Franz style host for the Angel... If it ever got that far.

>>55358663
Yeah that makes sense.
Fulgrim is probably in the top 5 along with Russ I think.
I'm not a furry I just like Vikings

>>55358682
I play Ad Mech you tribalist cunt, and I'm not ignoring any point. Russ did not lose in an all-out 1v1 to Angron. He lost on purpose. This is canon. Not your round-about interperation sprinkled with fan-fiction.

>>55358663
Horus' main strength wasn't combat, although all Primarchs were naturally exceptional fighters.
Except for Lorgar, that fucking pussy.

>>55358690
Up for pre-order on the GW website.

>>55358709
He was the soulful Primarch! The deep Primarch! The faggot Primarch!

>typhus 164
>plague marines x2 with plasma, champion with plague sword 220
>rhino 74
>renegade armored sentinals with las cannons 120
>two lemon russes Punisher lascannons and 2x plasma each 210
Am I abusing keywords correctly?

>>55358689
>convoluted reason
very much a false equivalency. It was always that Russ was trying to prove how recklessly attacking allowed Angron to be surrounded. This was never retconned or added after the fact. The whole duel was always about that.

Would close combat Helbrutes work? I'm on the fence about making the third Helbrute ranged.

[1850pts]
++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

Legion: Iron Warriors

Sorcerer: Bolt pistol, Death Hex, Force sword, No Chaos Mark, Prescience

Chaos Vindicator: No Chaos Mark

Havocs: No Chaos Mark
Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Combi-plasma
4x Havoc w/ special weapon: Plasma gun

Havocs: No Chaos Mark
Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
4x Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Lascannon

Obliterators: Mark of Nurgle, 3x Obliterator


++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

Legion: World Eaters

Dark Apostle: Bolt pistol, Mark of Khorne, Power maul

Warpsmith: Bolt pistol, Flamer, Mark of Khorne, Meltagun, Power axe

Helbrute: Mark of Khorne, Power scourge
Helbrute fist: Heavy flamer

Helbrute: Helbrute fist, Mark of Khorne, Power scourge

Helbrute: Mark of Khorne, Missile launcher, Twin lascannon

Warp Talons: Mark of Khorne
4x Warp Talon: 4x Lightning Claw (pair)
Warp Talon Champion: Lightning Claw (pair)


++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

Legion: Iron Warriors

Chaos Lord: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, No Chaos Mark

Sorcerer with Jump Pack: Bolt pistol, Diabolic Strength, Fleshmetal Exoskeleton, Force sword, No Chaos Mark, Warptime

Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, No Chaos Mark
Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, No Chaos Mark
Cultist Champion: Autogun

Horrors: 10x Pink Horror

>>55358699
The De-Furrification of the Space Wolves is the best thing to happen to 40k

>>55358700
You were also told that even if he didn't intend to lose, he would have lost. Angron is ungodly in combat for his savagery. Fulgrim is ungodly in combat for his skill. Sanguinius is ungodly in combat for his savage skill. Russ is just a primarchlet with napoleon syndrome.

I'm not at all saying that Russ wasn't a bears in combat, but he's certainly not TEH BEST EVAR FIR TEH ALLFATHER XDD like every furfag suggests.

>>55358729
>The faggot Primarch!
I thought Fulgrim or the Lion held that title.

>>55358729
>when your dad tells you to conquer the galaxy but you wanna read books instead

>>55358738
We call this 30k.
Unfortunately 40k they are furry dogfuckers.

>>55358734
A Helbrute with a fist and scourge is deadly.

>5 attacks with fist, 3 with scourge hitting on 3's

What's not to like?

>>55358738
The viking aesthetic is part of the reason I joined Chaos Warriors in the first place.
The other reason being Slaanesh.

>>55358741
Fulgrim was just fabulous as fuck. Lion was gay for Luther and it was obvious.

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>>55358741
Lion was just gay and Fulgrim was just perfect boy. Both of them get shit done.
Lorgar was the faggot.

>>55358752
So it is canon that every time they wake up Bjorn he sees 50 more wolves.

>>55358739
>he would have lost
And I already called out your fanfiction. There is no canonical proof to warrant saying "Russ would have lost".

>>55358754
The lack of guns and the fact it gets blown off the field with surprising ease.

>>55358738
When has that happened? Because they're still furfags to me.

>>55358750
>when you wanna conquer the galaxy but your dad tells you to build castles instead

>>55356920
Don't worry soon I will satisfy the Prince of pleasure with first chaos army, my slanneshi marines that are addicted to drugs that cause pain

>>55358545
I got a set, it's real nice. I still have a few particular GW paints that I rely on from time to time, but that was a cheap way to make sure I have every color I could normally need.

>>55357915
Seriously should be a grot sniper team, 2 grots out of every 10 like IG heavy weapon teams.

>>55358795
>when you wanna build castles but your dad tells you to destroy the instead

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>Iron Hands players get a shitty 6+
>Death Guard get a 5+
What the fuck is going on at GW?

>>55358789
There is no canonical proof saying he would have won, either. I'll tell you what there is, though: stories of Angron wrecking the fuck out of other Primarchs, and stories of Russ just about holding his own against other primarchs. I guess with the weight of this evidence we should suck Russ's dick because he clearly is the best ever isn't he :^)

>>55358795
That really rogal'd my dorn

>>55358793
PETA complained about all the fur so GW's slowly removed all the wolf shit from any of their promo stuff especially the Primaris Wolves.

New player, do Jump packs give any bonuses for charging?

>>55358750
>>55358795
>>55358822
>When your dad tells you to conquer the galaxy and you do it because you're a genetically designed conqueror and not a needy cunt

>>55358827
Death Guard are getting a big push along with Nurgle in general. And Iron Hands players are the forgotten bastard children of the loyalist legions.

>>55358822
>when you wanna die with your best friends in a glorious last stand but your dad says LOL I MADE YOU SOME NEW ONES

>>55357724
The phalanx beat a blackstone fortress, each one of those can beat a whole was able of BTFO the Gothic battlefleet

>>55358836
Anon please get your shit together, GW just mocked PETA as their response

https://regimental-standard.com/2017/02/08/fur-the-emperor/

>>55358827

a 6+++ which Graia stole :^)

>>55358859
>when you want to play with the psyker powers your daddy got you for Genemas but after a while he says you can't play with them anymore because your yiff brother doesn't want anyone to play with them because he's jealous

>>55358377
Just get normal guardsmen and paint/glue chaos bits on them

>>55358836
>implying that they were going to do primaris furry parts in a first place
Did they really give shit about PETA?

>>55358851
Iron Hands are useless jobbing faggots without their Primarch. They don't deserve to be a chapter.

>>55358827
> Iron hands get to stack multiple FNP on their dreadnoughts
> Nearly-all of the Forgeworld Dreadnoughts have a 6+ by default
> Venerable dreads have 6+ too
> The Chaplain Dread is a CHARACTER with a base 6+, gets a second if he's Iron Hands, and gets a third from a certain warlord trait.

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>>55358836
I shouldn't even be replying to this but you're fucking retarded.

>>55358931
We can't stack FnP in 8th.

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>>55358940
> (you)

>>55357003

I'm a fan of it.
>Nurgle Keyword
>Demon Keyword
>Demon Engine Keyword

Take a Chaos Hellwrights, or Heralds of Nurgle or both. In a separate detachment.
Wrap it all in Poxwalkers.

>>55358940
If two buffs do the same but are not named the same then they are both in effect as they are technically two different buffs.

>>55358827
>cogent super space zombies augmented by 10,000 years of plague and undeath get a slightly better survival rule than some wannabe admech bodymodders
Wow what a fucking joke GW are fucking biased

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>>55358940
See >>55358962

>>55358791
If it's consistently dying before getting into CC then you either have very few other threats on the board or are playing him very badly.

Mine has done very well for me.

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Anyone else setup a bunch of cultists so your SM's can slaughter them when your alone? It's the only way Space Marines actually feel like the fucking juggernauts they're represented as in the fluff.

>>55358982
Not entirely. There are exceptions.

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Why is his favorite fruit a lemon?

>>55358962
Wow, a rerollable 6+. So fucking good.
Absolutely game changing!

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>>55358545
I bought that exact same Army Painter set earlier this year. Unfortunately, the quality of the paints was all over the place. Black, white, and metallic paints worked well but every other paint was all over the place in quality.
Didn't matter how long I shook the paint, sometimes it came out of the dropper with too much medium and I couldn't paint with it, sometimes it needed little to no thinning and was great, and other times it was oddly thick. Felt like I was fighting with the paints most of the time.
Or maybe I just got shafted with an old, shitty set. Hell if I know.

>>55358827
The two armies are not the same and the IH pay fuck nothing for the 6+

>>55359029
Rerolling a 6+ is the same as having a 5+

>>55359029
Rerollable 6+ is basically a 5+, only 1/36 difference in failure rate.

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>>55359020
Because lemons are a mighty fruit.

>>55359029
>being this bad at math