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Clan ghostbear holds this butte

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Does anyone have the stats for the Gemini?

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>>55350522
>Looking at mechs and power armors after some years outside the fandom.
>All those Clan furry bait armors and Protomechs.
The hell. I get that they love they spirit animal or whatever but he Hell Horses go one with armor called buraq than its a fucking horse suit.
I dread what MPL fags have done with those mechs.

>>55350779

The hmg version is fucking tits....im noy allowed to use those in a urban environment anymore for some reason...

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Girlfriend made this in a coloring app..told her you never go full xing shen.

>>55350817
I bet it's extra humiliating to be offed be a clanner in a fursuit.

>>55350951
Nah, its when this thing chases down slow lights they get embraced.

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>>55349065
>I sometimes wonder if people would like them more if they have more fire power due to some lighter chassis option and such.

You have NO idea what you can do with a protomech.

>And a stealth armor option protomech at 60 kg per point and eat up a slot too.

As another anon stated, proto's are hard enough to hit as-is, so while I agree that should exist they are nimble and hard enough to hit as-is.

>>55350845
she seems like a dumb bitch

>>55351198
Wow, that 15 ton protomech atcually look damn fine.

Really wish there's protomech builder in megameklab for ease of build.

>>55351273

Aww thanks, she hasn't got into battletech yet and i found it funny when she showed me this. Glad you liked it!

>>55351318
tell her to make art for and like factions that /btg/ approves of

>>55351326

So..fedcom? Gyakakakaka

>>55351345
Factions /btg/ approves of:

>any bird faction. the less mainstream the better.
>the tranny faction. we like our whores piloting capellan mechs in regiments that came out of nowhere.
>word of blake/comstar/fochtstar. they're all fucking evil but we don't care.
>small mercenary companies. so we can argue whether mercs having mechs at all makes us them mary sues.

Got it? Don't waste my time again.

>>55351391

So..whay your really TRYING to say is,start with the clans then work her way up the periphary factions that dont start with T.

>>55350779
That thing is hilarious and they rek shit pretty hard.

Also the second MLP mech and the third horse-named mech Hell Horses field.

>>55351407
you should have realized that. every female player starts with the clans because of some pretty animal they like, makes a mary sue character, possibly puts fanfiction out about said character, and spends more time drawing bad art or talking about her character than actually playing the game

come on man, you've been dating her a while right? you should know this stuff by now.

>>55351391
He is just butt hurt that the Fed Suns are the best Faction. I mean who does not love autocannons to the point your piloting a walking bomb. Fed Suns are orky and on a quest for finding the most Dakka

Question, is there any good way to find some good art for infantry in battletech? 3085 only wetted my appetite for PBI's

>>55351445

Kek 7/10. Tho i do plan to point her twords the bears. *plugs ears for reee*

>>55351870
Let's just be glad that Clan Trashpanda and Clan Death Otter never happened.

>>55351870

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

There, you got your (You)

fucking Bears.

Have anyone posted the Succesion Wars TRO pdf?

>>55351445
Not true. The one and only serious female BT player i've ever met and/or played with went MoC FIRST and Falcons a distant second.

Made sense since MoC is all about stronk wemnz gettin what they want. And now the Falcons have got the only bitch who can out bitch Katrina.

>>55351984
See the girl who is really into battletech on my end is a steiner player, but she is sort of off... She likes piloting atlas' and kicking people with them.

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>>55350779

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>>55350779
Honestly the best looking protomechs are from the society, at least artwork wise. They actually look like mechs instead of these weird stylized animals/people.

It is actually these proto's that made me really like protomechs, before I was insanly turned off by how they looked

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>>55352848
yeah the society protomechs are pretty dope.

>>55352255

Was playing at a Con and we had a Sailor Venus sit down with us and learn to play. She took a sort of perverse pleasure in just rolling dice. I had a feeling she spent a bit too much time at a craps table or something.

Made a pretty hot Venus though. AND she actually expressed interest in playing beyond the con.

>>55352255
And dude...there is NOTHING wrong with liking fucking mechs up with Atlas kicks. My second favorite Atlas of all time is the TSM equipped 8D.

>>55352882
>>55352848
I like them (and those soldiers rock too).
As I said, I'm totally off beat with the lore, be society you mean a faction or Battletech fans? Also it's war of reaving an interesting read to get pieces of the new lore? To see some clans ended rightly it's a bit bittersweet, even when I never liked them much.

>>55353091
The Society was a network/secret society of Clan Scientist caste members, who decided to kick Warrior caste supremacy to the kerb. Sarna ought to have a precis on them.

>>55353091
Society is the faction. Basically clan scientists are tired of being put down by the warriors and develope a ton of tech and try to put themselves on top. It is actually a fairly interesting read to be honest.

>>55353091

They get a good send off. Tho the mandrills.ends how you expected

>>55351412
Is there a reason, apart of some incompetent suits? Why would you do that.

>>55353147
It's kind of funny how quick they are to start cannibalizing themselves at the first hint of weakness. Those who break faith with the Unity indeed...

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>>55353122
>>55353133
Nice, I didn't expect the clans to end interesting, that was a fun read. Also some potential interesting stuff with the mini empires some carved out, like the Goliath Scorpions (than I'm sure it will amount to nothing).

So, of the dark age stuff, is that something really good or at least bearable? I'm ending some pulpy books and I'm searching some good old Mech stomping and maiming.
If there is anything involving protomechs would be cool, I know it would sound like heresy but Mechs in Battletech are too big,
protomechs look like something a lot more sensible and "fun", being cheaper to produce and thus you can field more humanoids death machines. Anything with power armors it's cool too.

>>55353147
To be honest a lot of the clans ended up living on by forming new factions as well.

Only four clans were completly destroyed, heck a new one came into being as well from the wars of reaving. Turns out even the smoke jaguars were still around as well.

Blood Spirit
Burrock
Fire Mandrill:
Ice Hellion
Steel Viper

These four got defeated/annihilated.

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>>55353380
is that the concept art for what the protomechs eventually became? Because a shame if so.

>>55353468
No that's FD's take with the original Chaffee art below.

>>55353468
No idea desu, I found it in the pastebin lino to the battletech booru.
I think the artist was nearly blind be the artist directo when he had to make the mechs, saying he had to make them monsters or something, and with names like gorgon, minotaurs etc as all inspiration.
Tough I would want to know who did the upper protomechs ones, I like them.

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>>55353519
Dang. I think part of the problem with how the proto mechs look is the artist who orginally did them. The artist who did the society mechs did an amazing job at it. Such as the minotaur here looks a lot better than what we orginally got.

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Last society Protomech artwork. Generally they just did a lot better job by making them look like mechs in general.

>>55353617
So how fucked where the majority of clans after they hunted down the society? Because anhilating nearly all your scientist caste doesn't sounds like a healthy thing to do.

>>55353639
Well there was a huge lack for awhile, but there was some who did not betray. Some clans eliminated their entire scientist caste just to be sure, then went and got some from other clans.

The fact of the matter is we do not really know the true effects longterm on the homeworld clans because of a lack of stuff written about them after the war of reavings. Innersphere clans were a bit better off but still had their own society uprisings. They have the benefit though of potential captured scientists being brought up to snuff from the innersphere less widespread society issues.

Now if the ilclan book is going to be canon, which I hope to god it does not because it is god awful, the homeworld clans eventually recover to a point where they will sort of outtech the inner sphere clans.

>>55353564
Chaffee got told "make them look like monsters" so he took it literally.

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>>55353564
Chaffee IMO didn't necessarily do angles and machinery well, but did an amazing job of placing the object in a background and giving it a sense of scale (even his proto art does this better than everyone else's. Pic related) I've also noticed his hardcore 80s scifi look is somewhat make or break with some fans.

The big issue I think however is that he was given poor direction (make a unit that's in-between a BA and a Mech, and a real "monster") and little feedback on his work. Which was typical FASA shenanigans.

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Guys, seriously, favorite clan mech, or inner sphere mech using clan parts. I always had a soft spot for the Vulture / Mad Dog, and of course the Timbie, but the Ryoken is an ugly bastard to me and I yet like it after I am done being a pissant with a Nova.

>>55353811
It's amazing how few cutaway and schematic views of mechs actually show myomer. Or even have room to fit it.

>>55353886
Or space for missile bins, for that matter.

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>>55353811
>Ryoken is an ugly bastard
Fite me, Surat. Vulture and Timberwolf have the best all around aesthetics though. I've also always been a fan of humanoid designs so special shoutout to Incubus and not!zaku horned owl

>>55353886
>two metric tons of LRM ammo
>240 individual missiles
>existing in netherworld space inside this mech
How to art?

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>>55353811
How about pure Inner sphere goodness then huh? Why does it have to have clan tech. Filthy clanner.

The Word would like to have a chat.

>>55353934
Lets not forget the rearming mechanism for the LRMs. how are missiles that big supposed to go back into the tube?

>>55353929
You test tube baby. The original art and the 3050U is good art, but LOOK AT THAT PIC! My soul hurts looking at that monstrosity. it should be in a survival horror game like Silent Mech or something.
Test tube baby.

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>>55353935
The Word has some of the best looking stuff I swear. I like to imagine this is how the majority of their militia troops looked like, so fucking bad ass.

We need a color version of this as well.

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>>55354019
Best unit insignias too.

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>>55354133

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>>55353811
Favorite clan ride? Ho lord...

Well I love the original Horned Owl for that Zaku styling and pulse boat action.

There are a whole bunch more that I enjoy for various different reasons but the
Horned Owl is probably my favorite. Considering I have gone out of my way to
acquire three of the original model, more than any other metal clan mech in my
collection, i'd say yeah...Horned Owl.

>>55350522
Noob here.
What mech?

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>>55353934
>>55353956

The entire mess with the missiles being stored in some Missile Dimension could have been avoided if they had done some sketching.

Or have the launchers resemble something like an aircraft rocking pod. The Matra 155 pod for eighteen 68mm SNEB rockets is a bit over 2 metres in length, less than half a metre in diameter and weighs 185kg loaded. The rockets are 68mm in diameter, a bit over a metre in length and weigh around 7kg each.

Shove one of these bastards in each of the six-hatch shoulder launchers of a Wolverine, Warhammer or Battlemaster, for example, and you'll have 108 missiles at a little over 1t weight, have a single "shot" be a six shot salvo from one pod, and disregard the mystery missile loading mechanisms and bins altogether.

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>>55353811
I am partial to the hellbringer [loki] But there are several other clan mechs that I do enjoy.

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>>55353811
Favorite Clan 'Mech? Say whatever you want about the actual giant robot, I've always liked the way the Hellbringer looks. It has the Warhammer look and I can't not like that.

>>55354278
It is in a lot of ways a clan whammy. Great mech, if paper thin armor.

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>>55350522
What did they mean by this?

It makes sense to me that Area effect weapons might do x2 damage, but why not write it as x2, or 0.5?
.5 makes it look like someone made a typo, is there any clarification on this? should it be x2 or /5?

>>55354289
>>55354278
>>55354270
> The Hellbringer is cool, either way. It's not cool because it's bad, it's cool because it's bad with balls - Nightsky

From the BT forums

>>55354209
it's in the OP man, but here, I'll give you my Pasta

Quickstart rules
http://d15yciz5bluc83.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/BattleTechQuick-Start-Rules.pdf (The basics of the game, simplifies a few things like shooting and physical phase are tied together)


: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/sdckg6j645z4j/Battletech#ywu2oukhl8gww

Look for >Battletech>Rulebooks and Sourcebooks
(Tabletop Wargame)
CAT 35001 Total Warfare (The Main Rules)
CAT 35003 Tactical Operations (Expanded Tabletop Rules)
CAT 35004 Strategic Operations (Expanded Campaign rules)
CAT 3500A Boxed Set Tables (Quick reference tables)
FPR 35103 TechManual (Expanded Info on Equipment, Vehicle Construction Rules)
FPR 10977 Field Manual Mercenaries Revised (Useful document for Running Merc Campaigns, *Note: Maintenance Rules P148)

(The RPGs (to add confusion)(Not really necesssary if we're just playing the wargame))
FPR 35030 Classic Battletech RPG
>>Lifepaths Master Document
CAT 35005 A Time of War

Also also
https://megamek.org/downloads (MegaMek, a fan-made Battletech Simulator, also see MekHQ, a fan-made battletech Campaign simulator)
http://www.solarisskunkwerks.com/ (Solaris Skunkwerks and Solaris Armor Werks, A fan made program to make battlemech and combat vehicle construction way easier)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Main_Page (The Battletech Wikia, has general info about most mechs, but doesn't have their record sheets because copyright, has full information about most weapons and equipment though)

>>55353811

Mein crackah, love.the mad dog in all its forms. Something about that srm vatiant and tandem charge srms that screams warcrimes in the morning..also napalm..because sometimes you gotta kill it with fire.
I find it pairs up nicely with karhus. Its definitely a mech that easy to learn a lifetime to master. Plop it on a covered hill and let it live up to its spheroid name. Im also a huge fan of the mad dog III with jump jets, fucken surprises the shit out of ppl who aren't used to seeing a mad dog do a catapault impression.

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>>55354227

Agree completely. This is how it should be.

>>55354309
I mean what mech is in the OP's image; I like it's style.

>>55354359
That is a good question. I have no fucking idea. The torso looks like a Nova, the weapons on the arms look like a Dragonfly, but it lacks the shoulderlegs of both.

Or it could just be someone taking artistic liberties.

>>55354289
>Paper thin armor
...So essentially a Clan Warhammer then as 6R does not have all that much armor either. Atleast not the levels you would expect from a 70 ton mech.

>>55354359
https://vladimir3d.deviantart.com/art/Crimson-Hell-Kite-46925587

That's all there is, Artist didn't provide any further info

Who else would be hyped for Jihad 2? I kind of like the idea that the WoB flees to were they know clan wolverine has set up, joining forces together and preparing to conquer the inner sphere.

>>55354918
Eh I'm not a big fan of the wolverine-boogeyman thing. I'd like to see whispers and minor actions implying the WoB is still influencing things, and propping up the RotS

>>55355023
My favorite theory is that they just went off and set up their own inner sphere, with black jack and hookers.

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>>55354918
Recycling eras doesn't lead to no good. Look at Dark Age.

>>55354918

I like to think that there is some super secret long lived cabal that has been influencing people and countries sphere wide(clan space too)...we're talking outfoxed Comstar when Comstar was manipulating the IS during the SWars.

And each time some power is on the brink of destruction or has to flee for their lives (Amaris, Wolverines, Jags, WoB, Society, etc) this cabal kicks off missions to pull those remnants off into the outer rim somewhere to consolidate and combine them. Hell the WoB hidden worlds were probably IS bastions of this sphere spanning group. All this led by some long hidden branch line of the Camerons from back before even Amaris came to be to ensure that things would continue as planned...except they didn't and they had to adjust.

>>55355673
Well if the incest love child of the camerons is a true thing it could be said the line continues with the coyotes now

Here is something I never got. Why would the inner sphere have their battle armor squads number 4 suits when the clans have 5 and comstar 6. Battle armor was new enough that it did not need to follow the four pattern of the SLDF and seeing as the clan tech advantage with their battle armor, may have made more sense to have more suits in a squad, maybe even have it mimic an infantry squad of 7

>>55355763
Yeah I never got that either. Whenever ive gotten BA as a merc in some campaign or another i'll either use however many BA I got (if its 4 or less) or random roll to see if my unit decides to use them in 4/5/6 trooper squads. With this method i've yet to use them 6 trooper squads but thats merely due to bad rolls.

>>55355763
To ensure that they're less efficient than the clan counterparts, of course.

>>55354297
It's x2. Possibly they wanted to be consistent with the other values, using / instead of *, or possibly they were copying the equations out of a spreadsheet (where it needs to be consistent for calculations to work right).

>>55355763
Who fields only one lance against a Clan star?

BA question:

Armored gloves allow for a BA trooper to carry an infantry support weapon correct? As long as its a 1/1E weapon yes?

>>55355964
I am just talking numbers wise. A single squad of BA is 4, but a clan star is 5 Elmentals. It is just an orginization thing, you would think that the IA would have their guys work in a squad of 7 that infantry would be used to.

Especially since clan PBI squads follow the rule of 5 as well.

>>55356169
They probably figure each battlesuit as being organizationally equal to a squad. Infantry deploy 4 squads per maneuver unit, so battlesuits deploy 4 suits per maneuver unit.

I have pile of salvage that I want to turn into a 4th mech for my merc lance. Since the pile is mostly the mortal remains of 3 Enforcers and a Demolisher sans power train, I'm thinking babby Victor ( 4/6/4 20-cannon, SRM-2/Flammer, and a laser or two ) since in-town and in close are where we've had problems. What sort of build will have my techs still speaking to me after it's done?

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>>55357092
Here's what you can do with what you have laying around from just that scrap alone. Techs tear out the LAA on the RA, replace the AC/10 with an AC/20. Three rounds of ammo increases endurance, and the three Small Lasers left over get strapped to it, two on the LA where the Large Laser was, and the LT one remains in the same spot as it was.

Now with image.

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How does /tg/ view the roughneck on the tabletop? I personally really like the concept and build they went with, a good cheap heavy

>>55357549
I'd consider getting one when Warhansa finally gets around to it. They've been slow updating lately. It's not a tabletop-canon unit (as far as I know, maybe they canonized it?) but it's still constructed legally so you could easily spec it out and run it on the TT. I think it looks good, and it has decent stats. Looks like what more of the MODs should have looked like in MW:DA.

>>55357549
Fat non jumping ammo hungry shad.
Not a fan, doesn't even feel very merc like to me honestly.

>>55357549
I *love* the fluff!

It's nice to *FINALLY* have a story with a girl being a mechwarrior, you know?

>>55357656
You mean like that chick from the Gray Death Legion, or like..half of Clanners?

Or Hillary Clin..er..Nondi Steiner? Took one too many facials that one did.

>>55357549
Basically a thud?

>>55357680
Dude, he's trolling. Are you retarded or something and forget where you are for a second there?

>>55357725
Did you forget where you are that I can't troll back?

>>55357754
Not him, but... was that even trolling? Seemed pretty weak to me, though you got him to respond. And me... hm. Maybe you're not so bad at this after all, kid.

>>55357754
When has trolling back ever been a good idea? Argue not with retards, lest you too become retarded.

>>55357500
Nice! This is what I am looking for. My only question is what refit level/difficultly is adding ammo bins?

>>55357709
Thuds are good though.
I almost want to say it's like a worse assassin.

>>55356169
>It is just an orginization thing, you would think that the IA would have their guys work in a squad of 7 that infantry would be used to.

This would also help compensate for the craptacular armor and/or armament carried by most IS BA, compared to Elementals.

>>55357725
That was more sarcasm than trolling.

>>55353811
Solitaire, for sure. Fast lasers best lasers.

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>>55358873
According to this, Class C.

http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2017/09/12/award-winning-author-jennifer-brozek-slated-to-pen-the-first-young-adult-battletech-trilogy/
Hope she got paid before hand!

>>55354563
Vladimir did all of the designs and artwork for the fan TRO:3062, which appeared in early 2008. The writing was so-so and a lot of the 'Mechs were copies of official art, but it wasn't horrible and it did include Clan machines.

>>55361126
Not likely, given their track record. I think Loren is still looking for that missing $850k. Someone should tell him to look under his porch.

>>55355990
No. They can carry a regular infantry weapon. Support weapons can be carried using fixed mounts, modular mounts, or broken down as squad weapons.

Armored gloves are just like the name says. Allows for regular manipulation without penalty (unlike manipulators), but any support weapons carried must be fixed to the chassis or broken down and carried by each member of the squad and assembled using the rules.

>>55361888
Not completely true. Otherwise you don't have Manpack PPC NIghthawks. Anything that's support with man-portable or semi-portable in the name can be used with armored gloves and exoskeletons without penalty, including PAL and BA. Weight limit is 40kg I think. Maybe 50kg. But you sure can't have like a full Support PPC that has to be mounted on a mechanized vehicle because that's almost two tons.

>>55362802
Big mac!!

To all anon who've NEVER played one, do it. ASAP.

I tend to play invasion era stuff, and read a lot of meme's about the mackie. So I finally rolled one just to try. It was cartoon good.
Big mac is love
Big mac is life.

The power of dick guns is not to be ignored.

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>>55352848
well there were a bunch of reworked images from matt plog in the previous thread, like this one:

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and this one

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>>55363816
>>55363781
I like those, he took a good idea implemented in the worse way and made cool shit out of it.
Is there a BTG aproved artists?

>>55357680
>listing famous female mechwarriors
>not listing the black widow

>>55354204
Are you me?

>>55357680
why does nobody ever mention cassie and the caballeros

>>55364333
Because Cassie isn't a mechwarrior. She's La Femme Nikita. Now the blonde chick with the big hat and the bigger tits who rode the Atlas in the Caballeros, that's a mechwarrior worth liking in that unit.

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>>55364991
Capt Kali MacDougall. But my favourite character in the 'lleros books is and will be Buntaro Mayne.

Also this.

Was excited to hear new books, till i found out its young adult..expecting twilight with stompy robots.

>>55364333
Why not mention some of the women who rule the Inner Sphere?

>Tomoe Kurita
>Graduated second in her class from Sun a-third-of-their-students-commit-suicide Zang only behind Teddy
>Literal right hand of Teddy K his whole adult life, in a mech or on covert missions behind Steiner lines
>Literal gun-toting ninja assassin
>Can break a man's neck with her thighs
>Can still play just as hard in court
>The Heir to the Dragon himself fell in love with her so hard he told the whole nation to fuck off and secret married her when his dad was trying to marry him off to the daughter of Governor Rasselhague
>Loving mother
>Teases her husband and occasionaly shoves her hand down his pants just to watch him blush
>Personally murders assassins who go after her husband

Them making her kill herself at the conclusion of the First Dominion War was simply disgusting.

>>55365099
Somebody is rereading Close Quarters. I remember that from the dive bar scene near the beginning of the book.

>>55365162
What I don't get about it is that genre fiction and pulp scifi is basically made for teens and up anyway. They're deliberately geared around an 8th grade reading level for maximum accessibility from kids to adults. I don't see what Young Adult would honestly do differently, except maybe have some kid protags or something. And boy do I not want to read about some academy brats.

>There will never be an Heir to the Dragon style anthology about some Mechwarrior Knight kid growing up on the estate, then going to the academy, then going to war. The only constant in his career, the ancient machine handed down to him along with all the hopes and dreams of his family. It changes as the man changes, different weapons, upgrades and repairs, but always still a piece of home.
>Second half of the book will never be dealing with him being shot out his mech, being dispossessed and scrambling to do anything to save his title and the estate

>>55365162
>expecting twilight with stompy robots.

That'd be a book about assholes who can only attain sexual arousement by being utter cunts while piloting giant robots.

>>55365298
I'm not gonna lie, that would be awesome.

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>>55362926
benis bistol :DDD

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>>55361886
Is Loren a redneck hillbilly? I ask in case there is a lot of dead dog-named battlemechs under his porch.

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>>55362802
>>55362926
Mackies!

>>55364216
>Is there a BTG aproved artists?
Don't know. I think the OP has a pastebin at the end that has a list of many artists from deviant art, some of which actually did official work for the game like Matt Plog and Shimmy (Anthony Scroggins / Shimmering Sword.)

We also have a few guys like Pencil Bro, the Sprite Maker, that one sketch guy who did a lot of revisions of mechs and such. I know Pencil Bro's stuff is on the borru listed in the OP, and a lot of the other people's stuff as well as it's getting tagged as people contribute.

>>55365520
>Is Loren a redneck hillbilly?

He's a Mormon.

>>55365599
That explains the complete absence of any moral system apart from selfishness.

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>>55357500
15 shots vs 9 tons of armor. If it were a LB-X or Ultra, 3 tons would be perfect, but a plain Jane 20 should only need 2 tons. Replace the third ton with a ML in the arm and move the smalls to the torso to crit pad, that way if he runs out he's still got 3 SL and a punch.

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>>55365520

>>55365599
So is the porch like, a robutt waifu to him so he can start collecting wooden wives?

>>55365429
That would be quite alot of the Dark Age novels then.

So, it's there an infographic with the novels worth Reading ?
I prefer self contained ones and I was searching the Dark age ones and picked up Patriot stands (mainly because it seems they will use pimped up civ mechs and there are mercs, two things than I love) but I dunno how the quality of the rest.

>>55367580
Self-contained books worth reading, my recommendations: Wolves on the Border, Heir to the Dragon (the best BT novel in my opinion), Double Blind. If you want to read a pure cheesy "it's like the author's MWRPG campaign", Star Lord. For the love of Omi Kurita stay away from Far Country.

>>55367906
Noted, I'm a lover of pulp novels so I can stand cheesiness if it's interesting.
Also I have to ask,how bad is Far country?

>>55368102
As pulp science fiction? It's actually kind'a OK.
As *BattleTech* pulp science-fiction? It's... well, better than R.A. deCandido's novelisation of Tiberium Wars.

>>55368102
It's pretty interesting on its own. Kinda standard 'high tech folks crash land and disrupt primitive natives' fare.

As a BT novel, when one of the major points of the setting is the lack of nonhuman intelligent life? It's bad. When your novel flies in the face of canon and themes of the setting, one has to wonder who the author blackmailed to get published.

>>55368216
>>55368275
Oh, it's the one with the birbs? I remember the neckbeard than introduced me to BT reeeeing about it.

I need two lances of AC2 armed pre-invasion Dracs for beer & pretzels night.

Ryonosuke Tai-i's Red Ryders
Striker Lance
Dragon-1C for the LT
Vulcan
open
open

Fire Lance
JM6-A
Clint -4T? dual AC2 variant
Even more Clint
open

What do I use to fill in my TO/E, before I decide that an AC2 Jenner is the only honorabu choice.

Before you ask, Yes, I want the 2 GamerScore from the "Cause a PSR with only AC2's" chievo.

>>55369284
Catapult K2 with AC/2s in place of PPCs

More Jaegermech

Sentinel with an AC/2 replacing the UAC5?

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>>55368612
Yes, that is the one.

>>55369284
commando 1c if you want some lights

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>>55369284
No Blackjack? HERESY.
>Clint-4T
You beautiful bastard. I love that thing. It's so goddamn annoying.

Dragon 1C
Vulcan
Blackjack
Clint 4T

vs

JagerMech
Blackjack
Pike Support Vehicle
Jackrabbit

BV2 for the second lance will be a little light, but the tank has a really wide field of fire and it carries AC/2s so it doesn't matter if it gets pillboxed. It's for a fun game anyway.

>>55369284
How pre invasion are we talking? You could run a Daboku with the fire lance if it's around 3039 or later.

>>55369405
Between this and the dude asking about the Enforcer AC/20 mod earlier, it made me think how fun an AC/2 Enforcer would be. Tear out the AC/10, straight swap in two AC/2s and a ton of ammo. 22 shots per gun, crazy range.

>>55370057
That's actually a pretty simple swap. I'll have to try it sometime as a poor-merc-mod vs my players units.

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What's some good Lyran battle armor?

And BA carriers.

I've been looking at the various Operations books and the Tech Manual, and I still couldn't find an answer to this: if the planet's USIIR tech rating matches an ammo type, would it be possible to buy that ammo from an on-world manufacturer?

I mean, looking at Dieudonne, it's a C-C-B-D-B world, and the LRM10 is a tech C weapon. Would it be reasonable to assume there's a local manufacturer of LRM10 ammo you could buy ammo from to put in your Griffin, instead of ordering it from somewhere like Cadiz where they build Delta Darts?

>>55371127
For BA you want the glorious Fenrir/II

For transport you get your Atlas to pick up one in each hand.

>>55371420
Anon isn't completely trolling, fenrir is brutal.

>>55371096
Would certainly make for a decent lesson in long-range harassment. Attaching it to a lance with a JagerMech, Rifleman, and something to bodyguard them like a Javelin and it could make for an interesting campaign encounter in say, the Outback.

>>55371257
I don't think the assumption is manufacture, I think it's availability. What that means is that while they may not make LRM ammo, they may have it for sale because the militia has some LRM Bulldogs or Scorpions and is willing to sell extras.

>>55371420

Well I know its legal to pick BA off you with melee attacks. Why wouldn't you be able to carry BA in your non-omnis hands? Especially on the march.

>>55369284
>>55369405
Sentinel is good and definitely in timeframe, but looses out to my buddy's 2nd painted Vulcan

>>55369684
This is why I ask /tg/. Commando-1C is perfect for striker

>>55369896
Blackjack was an oversight. I'm sticking a BJ-1 in Fire lance.

>>55369972
Daboku is good. I actually thought about a down-engined Charger with x4 LL + sinks swapped to Quad cannons, but canon designs ftw.

You're beautiful /tg/

Are there any mechs with Italian names?

I want to make a mafia themed force.

>>55374176
For those playing along at home
DGN-1C
VL-2T
VL-2T
COM-1C

JM6-1A
CLNT-2-4T
BJ-1
Daboku
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~7k BV2.0 sans pilots

>>55374234
Juliano sounds somewhat Italian. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head,

>>55374622
Looks good. Is this your force alone or is it getting split up for a 4v4? The Daboku was a nice touch I didn't think of myself. Also I forgot about that Commando variant. Such a glorious piece of shit.

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Does anybody mech-cosplay here? I know this pic is three years old, but we're coming to that time....

>>55374645
We're divvying up the Dracs at least 2 ways. Depending on attendance we'll be 3v2 or 3v3. If the BV cap goes up, I want to trade a Vulcan for another Dragon and maybe get the 2nd Clint back.

>>55375652
I remember when that anon first posted those pics. Fuck, I feel old now.

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Hello / btg /.
I noticed reading the BattleMech Manual, but did StreakLRM change the rules so that indirect fire can be done?
If it has changed, I would like to know what kind of processing it is when indirect fire.

>>55376341
If I recall right, they can be indirect fired, but are fired as regular LRM's, kinda like Streak SRM's can be used like regular SRM's when they're being ECM jammed.

>>55376385
This is correct, you can fire indirect without the Streak bonus.

>>55353564
whos this artist?

>>55376462
David White.

>>55376385
>>55376443
Thank you.
Perhaps I understood that it would be like processing when indirect fire with iATM.

However, I wanted you to include an explanation like the rules section of WoR by iATM also in SLRM.
>The iATM can make use of Indirect Fire (see p. 111, TW). While fring using Indirect Fire, the iATM functions as a regular LRM launcher, and will have to use the Cluster table to determine the number of missiles that hit.

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Anybody have the full (non-beta) pdf? Will reward with mechs

It's still sold at 10 dollars cheaply so you can buy it normally.

Those Timber Wolves arms look like they hang really low.

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>>55376590

>cannot unsee...

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>>55376590

Agreed. They're pretty clearly dangling to and fro. Heck, they're long enough you could likely tie them in a knot, or you could tie them in a bow.

>>55377209
You look to be having quite a night, if that's what you're drinking. You ok, NEA?

>>55377209
You could throw them over your shoulder like a Draconis Mustered Soldier.

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>>55377233

Murderous cold. Been near-dead (not entirely metaphorically) since last Wednesday. Finishing a comission for Battle Pope, one layer left of detail and then decals and finish basing.

>>55377316
Sounds shitty man. Feel better, even if you're coked up on codine. Mechs are lookin' good though. Like what you did with the Catapult, stretching him out like that.

Can't quite tell what the Phawk is wielding there though, is it a stop sign or something?

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How do we reinvigorate BT?

What would /btg/ say about a BT movie directed by JJ Abrams?

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Anyone like to put "nose art" on their 'Mechs? I was rewatching B5 and the art on the some of the Starfuries made me think about it.

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>>55377348
>Can't quite tell what the Phawk is wielding there though, is it a stop sign or something?

Goalie stick.


>>55377369
>What would /btg/ say about a BT movie directed by JJ Abrams?

It may be the codeine, but all I can think of now is a Phantom Mech Ability that, when activated, is signified by MAXIMUM LENS FLARE.

Take that as you will.

>>55377427
I want to make a Starfury in MML now.

>>55354354
>>55354227
I always imagined the missile systems in my head as being a semi silly revolver system. hmm.

You knwo what always bugged me though? Why do the mech designs have cockpit glass and shit?! You have a magic 360 vision helmet. Why would you also have a huge structural weakness?

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>>55377427
>Anyone like to put "nose art" on their 'Mechs?

Absolutely, but nose art can be tough, for a couple reasons. First, 1/285th nose art is hard to find (1/144 is as small as it usually gets and it doesn't always work; see pic related) except from FPG, and their nose art choices kinda suck.

Second, the amount of paneling on Mech minis makes it hard to put on and look good; you need big, flat surfaces to make nose art pop, and those are rare, especially with the newer art style. The new Catapult, the unseen Marauder, and the Warlord all have good spaces for art, but stuff like the Hunchback or the Grasshopper really don't.

Finally, the combination of the 1/285th scale and trying to fit nose art on the small panels makes it hard to tell what your artwork even is. I find that they just tend to look like blobs of color from more than about 12" away unless you've got extra-large decals or you get a decal that is particularly well-made.

>hand-painting detailed nose art at this scale is right out for me. I'm not that good of a painter, and I dare say that 99% of BT players are with me on that; up to and including a good chunk of CamoSpecs.

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>>55377209
Didn't know you were a lean kinda guy, NEA
>>55377369
>What would /btg/ say about a BT movie directed by JJ Abrams?
Pic related

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>>55377369
no thanks, i don't want to see him maul another scifi franchise

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>Hanse_Davion_informs_Maximilian_Liao_of_the_end_of_Operation_Rat.jpeg

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>>55377369
>How do we reinvigorate BT?
The fans get far more vocal and aggressive against CGL for poor management, to the point where the fandom is beginning to spin off from the parent company. More fans outright stating things such as "We will not buy X product due to not paying writers/obvious attempts at making money for a few paragraphs of text/porches"...

>What would /btg/ say about a BT movie directed by JJ Abrams?
God, not ever. You want a Battletech movie done right? George Fuckin' Miller. He would guaranteed capture the grit and would be perfect for a succession-wars era film.

>>55353705

Chaffee got told to make them look like monsters, turned in the designs for critique/revision and FASA just ran with the designs as originally submitted.

FASA was not an overly smart company. :P

>>55377316

Was amused by the pose and did a quick bit of research - Emery always wore Brians, Hextall was a mix between Vaughn and Brians. Thomas wore whatever he killed and skinned the night before a game. Billy Smith and Roy were Koho through and through.

DiPietro? Bauer RX10s and a Warrior twig. Self fulfilling prophecy there.

>>55373284
Because that's a logical, reasonable, rational concept, so it goes in direct opposition to the fundamental design principles of BattleTech.

>>55374234
Well, Vulcan is the Roman version of Hephaestus, and is also pretty useful for murdering civvies for extra mafia flavor.

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Hey Shimmy! Hope you're out there.

Got your Protectorate Wars update. Glad to hear you're still alive. The update looks great btw. Gonna have to reread the whole thing since i've mostly forgotten what I read in the first iteration.

>>55353811
What in the fuck
What kind of Clanner Magic are they using to get reloads to the missile racks

>>55378616
Uh, translation please? Not all of us speak "ice hockey" well enough to read the meanings of the different brands of equipment.

>>55377573
So that's where I remember LoTR/BT crossover from

>>55379481
It's not Clanner magic, portals to the missile dimension were developed even before the Age of War.

>>55379560
Ah, a macross-dimensional portal. Of Course.

>>55379495
The player names I listed outside of Dipetrio were a tad aggressive in their play. Dipetrio had his knees basically disintegrate on him early in his career. Last year I took a puck to the kneecap by bad luck that has sidelined me since then. We both wore the same type of leg pads and gloves.

>>55379495
In fairness to you, only NEA and a few others knew about my wrecked knee.

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>>55380134
Thank you, that was quite informative. (Note to self: avoid Bauer brand.)
Out of curiosity, which brand of stick has the best reputation for durability, or best balances durability with its price? I have a character who has some out-of-'Mech issues with another; since he plays hockey on his downtime, he's considering using a spare stick to 'tune up' the jerk's car, and I'd like to namedrop something that sounds legit.

>>55379616
Careful there, lest HG will also claim missile-spamming is their "property" as well!

>>55380513
Dipetrios issues were genetic....I got massively unlucky and the puck got it at a terrible angle and the knee guards I wore for just an occasion had slipped down.

That said, for goaltending the Sherwood 9950 is a gold standard in Refuses To Die. Warrior is a good second place.

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my ancient enemy..
asians..

>>55380840
Isn't Combine a huge composed of asians, africans, arabs, and even irish and not forgetting until 3130s Clanners, so they are this hodgepodge mix of people with Draconian culture, hence you have black samurais doing arts and crafts.

>>55379438
I love how the pilot on the left is just casually sawing another 'Mech while shooting at another.

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>>55382357
>even irish

Not only that, but a clan of Irish ninjas.

>>55382357
You forgot the swedes .

>>55357549
Until it gets a TRO entry, or at least shows up in a sourcebook, I can't be arsed to give it the time of day.

Randal giving it the green light or not. It's not real 'till it has a record sheet.

>>55377369
>How do we reinvigorate BT?
Have you played at an LGS lately?

Long story short, it's a crunchy game. Without having "The guy" to walk people through the basics, it's imposing. Partly because of the rules, but also because it's a massive departure from the GW-dictated "Standards" for minis wargaming, with their faction-based codexes and more or less stagnant options for units. High or low tier, 80s or fresh off the shelf, a space marine is a space marine is a space marine. Likewise, the disparity between players who keep up with the current lore, versus the ones who claim anything after the soviet union collapsed was bad.

If there's someone to recruit and guide players, especially if they can keep a regular schedule and maintain a nominal player base, could very likely get the ball rolling in their town and start the next Cincinnati.

...but if you stick to house rule campaign groups in living rooms and garages, or online megamek campaigns, you don't get seen. There are few people out there that will buy into a game that they don't already see other people playing.

Run games where geeks gather, and don't be assholes. That's the teal deer. The rest is up to Randal and Co. to stop buying porches and put out a decent introbox

I just started hosting a weekly BT event at my LGS. Wish me luck, or not, whatever...

>>55382707
Suggestion: use the Grinder rules to introduce players to the game. Having only one "guy" at a time in a free-for-all makes the rules easier to grasp. Save lance-fights for a couple games in, or at least 'till you can get players with a bit of experience under their belts.

Also, don't use lights or other TMM-centric units for new players. Getting the hang of manoeuvering comes later. They will likely want to shoot all the guns first.

3025 panthers? Sure. Jenners, Assassins, Cicadas, and Spiders won't go over as well.

Looking at the announcement of the YA trilogy, it mentions that the author previously wrote something called 'The Nellus Academy Incident'. Has anyone here read that, and was it any good?

>>55383647
It's a kindle only release. I don't even know if we have it in the OP.

Just gonna be a bunch of emo kais in school. Would make a better anime than book, least then we could buy the blueray to see boobies

>>55383647
Just looked it up. It's about a bunch of Purple Burd kids on the Lyran Border. And it was published as regular Battlecorps like Shadows of Faith originally. Somebody just decided to give it the YA for marketing purposes later.

I actually really want to give it a go now.

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>>55377369
>What would /btg/ say about a BT movie directed by JJ Abrams?

How can people this dense even function in real life? No, Hollywood does not make book adaptations. They use the cover to give them a semblance of legitimate writing behind it, they don't ever adapt books, let alone big franchises.

The only people on Earth actually adapting books and shit like that are Japanese (or at least used to be) and getting them to make an adaptation of something they've never even heard about is not feasible.

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>>55369284
>>55374622
Last night was a great success. Much glory was won for the Coordinator by the selfless devotion of his soldiers...who got well ventilated. The Snakes won a bloody victory on points against the forces of warcrimes'n'chill by preventing their breakthrough attempt. As you can imagine, the Dice Gods were with us and boy did they do some heavy lifting. A Vulcan traded it's MG arm for disabling the gun on the Sun's salad-shooter.
>>55369684
The commando made the play of the game, with a hairpin reverse into AC2-hits-on-12's shot to immobilize it short of the board edge.
Daboku didn't get to shoot much before dumping his bins, but sponged up fire for the more decisive Jaeger. Befitting the noble samurai, the Tai-i's Dragon was MVP, delivering two crippling kicks and a charge that KO'd a pilot. I was unsuccessful in my secret mission to PSR a mech with AC's only, but Hanse's boys must've been hitting the muscle relaxers because they couldn't stay standing for love or money. Survivors of the Draconis Combine Mustered Soldiery include; forced-withdrawal Vulcan, forced-withdrawal Clint, Arm-less, one-legged Dragon, and the list ends. Ammo explosions were common, but at least one of them was a whammy landing on his SRM bin.

>>55384597
HONAABURU DISPRAY

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>>55384597
Outstanding.

>>55384498
Did the Japanese adapt Warcraft? Because it was good and not a very reasonable example for your point otherwise. If you played the original Warcraft you'd understand anyway.

>>55385061
>Because it was good

This is why humanity supports euthanasia.

>>55385141
After you, faggot.

>>55385431
>>55385141

Ladies, ladies. The shotgun has two barrels. You can take turns.

>>55385141
You proved his point about not being familiar with the source material.

Kind of proves you don't have a good argument or decent opinion. Plus you're an edge lord.

>>55385458
I'll take a turn after just for involving myself. I recommend you do the same.

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Who is the House Stark of BattleTech?

>>55385509
>You proved his point about not being familiar with the source material.

I don't need to have played Orcs and Humans to know that Dalaran has no business floating in the sky during the original Horde invasion.
Another thing is the color of the orcs which is lore-wise supposed to be brown to reddish for everyone involved, as per the retcon from the Elven campaign of RoC.
Et cetera.

>>55385705
>Elven campaign of RoC
Horde*, it was a mission against elves, killing Cenarius that gets turned into a BG for WoW.

>>55385705
It's obvious you didn't read the lore book that came with the original game, dumb cunt. Neck yourself and do the thread a favour.

>>55385648
The MoC have a Starks, that close enough for you?

3067

First Magistracy Highlanders (1 Regiment/Veteran/Fanatical)[7]

CO: Colonel Ronald Price

First Highlanders Infantry Guard (1 Battalion/Veteran/Reliable)[7]

CO: Major Jessie Starks

>>55385789
Yeah but she's part of one of their Sue regiments that shouldn't exist. No thanks.

>>55385763
Obviously, because I've "only" played everything WC2 onward. And know for a fact I fucked up the city back in WC3. Likewise with the coloring present for all throwback cutscenes and areas in WC3.

>>55385705

No, fel corrupted orcs have always been green. Reddish/Brown is those that didn't drink Mannoroth's blood.

Honestly, the biggest issue for me with the Warcraft movie was the fucking love triangle with Garona and Lothar. That shit made no sense. She was Gul'dan's pet assassin, not some fucking crybaby orc.

Lothar's duel with Blackhand was also stupid because he was supposed to get assassinated by Doomhammer (yes, he was assassinated in the first game, I don't care how they tried to retcon it to an honor duel, in the original lore Doomhammer was an evil motherfucker, and they only started to retcon him to SO HONORABU during the green jesus era.)

Also, where was the Shadow Council? All we saw was Gul'dan doing some string pulling, not the entire fucking secret cabal of warlocks and necrolytes that he had assembled to serve him and manipulate the disparate clans into doing his bidding. That was the cool thing about Gul'dan, was that he wasn't some evil tyrant, he was the actual mastermind behind the puppet tyrant of Blackhand.

Also, the lack of proper cavalry use from the Azerothians annoyed me because that is supposed to be what broke the back of the first attacks on Stormwind, was the heavy shock cavalry being an OCP for the orcs to deal with, and completely routing their forces in the first fights in which they encountered it. The use of dwarven hand cannons to serve as the equalizer was entertaining and a fun nod to the later games, but didn't make much sense in the context of Warcraft 1, same with Lothar having a griffin (the Wildhammers aren't Ironforge, and up until the Grand Alliance, they're the only ones with griffins)

It was still a good movie, it just took some pretty extreme liberties with the original lore.

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Do you think this was made by Alex or is it someone who only drew his stuff?
It looks like his work but the almost exact point-for-point recreation of the generic pose seen in some other artwork could also mean a different artist emulating him, or even a collab.

Anyway.
>All randomly generated terrain.
>No missions/campaign 'ala MW1.
>Clans show up down the line so it's all of 3025-3050.
>Slightly updated mech models (returning damage textures and models they removed from MW:O).
>Still no physics, no knockdowns.
>Infantry and vehicles as per the Battletech game deal (PGI makes mechs, they make non-mechs).
>No mechlab. All variants gated according to the planets you buy them on.

>>55387940
No Mechlab? Laaaame.

Here's hoping it's not impossible to mod like XCOM was.

>>55387940
Sounds awful.
Any hope for mechwarrior games?

>>55385868

That doesn't narrow it down. All MOC regiments are Sue regiments which shouldn't exist.

>>55388010
Not all. Their original retinue of Light Horse, Fusiliers and "national guard" type battalions were fine; they were full of bugs, shads, and the odd SL legacy ride or Taurian import. It's the regiments that all appeared out of nowhere for FM:P that are the Sue forces.

>>55376341

That's an error. Per p. 327 of TO, they can't be fired indirectly at all. Thanks for the catch.

>>55388218

Not at all. You don't understand. The MOC is a Mary Sue faction in its entirety, being the only matriarchary in the setting and when reality proves that matriarchies don't function. Therefore, every unit which is part of the MOC is Mary Sue by extension, and since Sues shouldn't exist in a well written game setting, the MOC and all its component units shouldn't exist either. It adds nothing to the setting but being a milksop for SJWs and other useless noncontributatory fans.

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>it's been a year since I nudged battlecorps
>one year, six months since I submitted the revision

they refused my batchall

I think I'mma e-mail them and ask flat-out of they're still interested, because if not, I'm going to release it free. Maybe pastebin it, share it here.

>>55389232
Is Battlecorps accepting submissions anymore at all? The last I heard, the entire BC had gone under.

>>55389280
>The last I heard, the entire BC had gone under.

Huh, that'd explain a lot. Where did you hear that from?

>>55389404
There was a thread on the OF called Requiem for Battlecorps or some such. I took it that the entire house had collapsed.

>>55387940
>>55387968
I will be honest, the loss of customizing mechs does not really affect me as much. I like standard units and figureing out ways to make them effective. Heck it makes more sense for IS units to be harder to customize anyways.

>>55388218
Was there much even written about the MoC before the FM:P to begin with? I mean it would make sense that some regiments never were written about if they never showed up in the first place.

>>55388888
Lets not forget that they have the most advanced commando's and infantry in the inner sphere now cause of their cybrogs. And have the best meditech.


I will be honest tho, I do not mind the meditech stuff, just to give the perphirary something they do better with is good.

>>55390345
>Periphery having better tech, despite the successor states raiding them for centuries to either grab it themselves or smash it so no one can have it.

No, it's still inconsistent with the setting.

>>55390488
Jarnfolk wish to talk to you about having the best assassins eva.

>>55390502
That I can get behind, like the Taurian's education system.

Those are advantages that come from superior training or cultural differences. Not technology.

>>55388888
>It adds nothing to the setting but being a milksop for SJWs

Are there even any SJWs playing MOC? Randall doesn't really have a faction, and he's the only overt SJW of which I'm aware in the BT fandom. How are you defining SJW that you associate the MOC with SJWs anyway?

>>55390521
I am actually not sure if it is just tech wise that the medicine stuff is there, it could just be that it is better training as well.

Jarnfolk are still bad ass though

>>55390642
>How are you defining SJW that you associate the MOC with SJWs anyway?

Any person or group who is fighting for "equal rights" or "equal representation" in 2017 is a SJW. Nobody's being discriminated against in 2017. Nobody's being underrepresented in 2017. They're being represented in exactly the proportion they represent. If people are being discriminated against, it's because of their actions, not what group they choose to belong to. SJWs are after special rights and privileges, not actual equal treatment. They're just mad they were on the boot bottom for so long and they're looking to become the people doing the oppressing now, so fuck the lot of them.

The MOC is a good example of this. It shouldn't exist, since matriarchies aren't a thing that works with humanity. It was just included in the game to appeal to the non existent female fan base, and to the people who have mental problems or who feign mental problems in order to belong to the group that's trying to seize social power. In a well written game universe, it wouldn't exist, and I resent the fact that the devs felt it necessary to include it, I resent the people who think it represents anything good or positive in the game, and I resent the fact that the faction exists at all.

>>55387940

>randomly generated terrain

Mite b cool.

>no missions/campaign

Sounds like a cheap cop-out so they don't have to write a story, get major voice acting done, etc.

>no clans

Grogs need to get with the fucking times already. A campaign on that border starting in 3048 with a SURPRISE! CLANS! moment for non-BT players could be interesting but Weisman and company need to get over their forever 80s ideas. Not a total deal-breaker, but...

>no mechlab

What the literal shit. This has always been one of the main attractions of the game.

>no physics

Come the fuck on.

>non-'Mech units and deformable units

Whatever.

>>55389502

I will never not be bitter about that bullshit. I bought a yearly membership and it was obvious within months that they weren't going to hit the content they claimed they would. Can you get a partial refund? No. Will they extend your membership until you get the content? No.

Kinda summed up their whole fly-by-night sales plan to me.

>>55390521

Taurians just have a good literacy rate. That doesn't mean they have a good education system, much as some like to make out it does.

>>55390929

Not sure i bait or truly this deluded.

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/22233392/Harmony_Gold,_USA,_Inc_v_Tatsunoko_Production_Co,_Ltd

ITS HAPPENING

>>55391509
what is happening?

>>55391420
I think deluded because there is actual evidence for functioning matriarchies both in the pacific Islands and in Africa. It was only after European contact that they fell apart.

>>55391614
>>55391614

Harmony Gold lost their rights to Macross and anything resembling it.

I.e. they can't fit it up and sue everybody, like Btech, for having 'similar' designs. Japs can finally bring all of Macross over to the west as well.

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>>55391509
Ohshit. Das it mane.

JUSTICE IS SERVED.

>>55391667
HELLLLLLLLL YEAH!
TODAY IS A GREAT DAY TO PARTY!

>>55388888
Well yeah matriarchies don't make sense, and there's no reason the MoC's men should let themselves be second class citizens. Like, at all.
But militarily I think my point holds.

>>55391667
>le European boogeymen for "evidence" of something
Deluded indeed

>>55392038

Still means the companies who want to use those images need to talk to the Maps, who may or may not be in a sharing mood.

>>55389502
>>55391390

Well, damn. Just found the thread - appears it is indeed over. That'd explain a lot. Well, maybe I can make up for it a little with a free story.

... actually have to get my fucking blog site up first tho, durrr

>>55390929
wew lad

>>55391509
Waiting for an actual legal expert to interpret this before I get excited.

>>55392582
I can tell you that HG is now ded and Whammies are now legal above the age of 14

>>55392692
Awesome, thanks.

brb buying stock in StarCorps

>>55386713
>Also, where was the Shadow Council?
Real reason? Because the expansion that had just come out did away with Ner'zhul and the Shadow Council as being the main instigators of the Fel Horde and shit.
TL;DR: Blizzard hates their own lore.

>>55388803
Wait really, I thought I was going to get away with that? Ree. Gives them more utility.

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>>55388888
Wasting quints on bait this obvious? For shame.

>>55390345
>Lets not forget that they have the most advanced commando's and infantry in the inner sphere now cause of their cybrogs. And have the best meditech.
Well, having the best medtech was the Canopean 'hat' in the initial fluff, and a devotion to cybertech is an extension of that. When you consider that the job of commandos like the Ebon Magistrate is to spy, assassinate, and sabotage, not get into actual stand-up fights, all that the chrome does is make their cyborg troopers really, really good at something *they should never need to do* and that completely misses the point of special forces.

>>55394212
>Well, having the best medtech was the Canopean 'hat' in the initial fluff,

And it was wrong of Fasa to give them that hat.

Periphery nations aren't supposed to have any good tech worth mentioning, medical tech or not. Which completely demolishes the rest of your argument, aside from their inherent sueness. It's not like the rest of the successor states couldn't cyborg the fuck out of their troopers as well.

Just stop trying to defend the indefensible. The MOC is shit and everyone who defends it is shit.

>>55394212

>it's this bullshit again

Dude, no. Ebon Magistrate being better and more dangerous than DEST, LOKI, Rabid Foxes, or Death Commandos (the latter of which are ALSO cybered up the wazoo and have BS special rules in their favour) comes completely out of nowhere and makes absolutely no sense in context.

Best in the Periphery? Sure, why not. Best in known human space, or even being *arguably* the best in known human space? Utter retardation and likely something we can lay at the feet of Kit and Roosterboy given their writing and fact-checking credentials.

>>55394281
>latter of which are ALSO cybered up the wazoo

Show me the TRO entry supporting this.

The only TRO entries giving anyone's specops any sort of cyber are the ones for the Word of Blake, and the ones for the Ebon magistrate. The Ebons aren't deadly as a result of being better or more trained or anything, they're only deadly because they're implanted with cyber and literally nobody else is.

That's a fucking fact. Refute it with a source or shut the fuck up.

>>55394341

>Show me the TRO entry supporting this.

It's in the novels and FMs. The fluff for TSM implants also mentions that the DC regularly get implanted as well.

Cyber implants aren't some rarity for spec ops forces. What made the MD unique was how heavily auged they all were, the concept itself isn't novel because it goes all the way back to Justin Allard in the first books.

The EMs being TEH B357357 EV4R is complete and utter BS.

>>55394266
>Periphery nations aren't supposed to have any good tech worth mentioning, medical tech or not.

That does kind of make sense, given their dependence on the Star League and its collapse.

What happened to all the shipyards, etc.

>>55394421

I can kinda buy the notion of them being surgical specialists or doing something with gene therapies, but I find the whole cyber thing a bit baffling since that, and especially using myomer replacements, was one of Doctor Banzai's Big New Things at the NAIS in the old novels.

It's just really inconsistent with the setting.

I don't REEEE out over every little thing about the MoC like that one shit-stirrer does but I will say that nothing about the Ebon Magistrate makes any sense, before or after TR 3085. How the living fuck does a Periphery intel agencie bamboozle the otherwise god-like WoB ROM/ Why are their special ops troopers so favoured in rules and fluff? Only the Shadow knows.

>>55394477
I pretty much agree with your post.

Most of my own dislike of certain MoC things stems from their association with the CapCon's Xin Sheng stuff.

>>55394421
>What happened to all the shipyards, etc.

General Periphery never had them outside actual Star League bases like Columbus or Stars End. MoC, Taurians and OA don't make Jumpships in 3025. They barely make Dropships. MoC makes the Leopard and the Taurians make the Leopard and the Union.

Most of the regular shipyards in the Inner Sphere are still in service but many component factories are destroyed and all the stuff like the near-AI welderbots have been replaced with manual labor as those systems failed, crippling the production rates of new Jumpships. They literally had warship slips converted for standard JS maintenance or assembly because they couldn't make big enough fusion plants or interplanetary drives for the big boys.

>>55394546
>General Periphery never had them outside actual Star League bases like Columbus or Stars End.

How do you thusly explain the Wagon Wheel, Winchester, Pinto, and whatever the fuck other Periphery Warships there were, which were explicitly built in the Periphery?

>>55394516
Xin Sheng and the Trinity Alliance were the worst things to happen to Battletech. Worse than the Clans, Dark Age, Devlin Stone, and the 3039 retcon all rolled into one.

>>55394641
Destroyed in the Reunification War

>>55394652

Incorrect. Worst thing to happen to Battletech was FASA. Followed closely by CGL, and then Fanpro.

>>55394720
>Forever 67
>Not the worst

Get thee hence!

>>55394477
I could even buy the Ebon magistrates being cyborgs if the fluff was written as a tech transfer/holdover from playing grabass with the Wobbies. but as is they somehow had the means to cyber up all their commandos and wage a winning guerilla war against the people who should be most capable of dealing with an opposing cyborg.

>>55394766
Ironically, if you read any of the fluff like the encounter with Avitue in the MoC, you see how one-sidedly the WoB were trashing the MoC. They had the whole place occupied, barely any resistance movements left and were brainwashing the people of occupied planets by the millions.

I'd almost say it's more likely the Ebon ARE some kind of leftover secret Wobbies at this point if they had actually played that out instead of sweeping it all under the rug. I mean, it's not like they don't know how to play the part when that was the entire Avitue plot and the rulers of the MoC spent the whole war hiding on Sian with no comms from home so they wouldn't know who should really be in charge of what.

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>>55394266
Oh, right: it's Mister 'The Periphery should be nothing but bumblefuck hillbillies; the Successor States are the only ones who should be relevant, ever.' I actually forgot you were a thing for a few seconds.

>>55394744
Ooh yeah, I forgot to add Forever 67 to the list. What was I thinking?!

>>55394720
>ERPPC
>FASA worse than FanPro or CGL
You'll get replies.

>>55394867
>Ebon are a Wobbie sleeper cell, conveniently positioned to do black ops stuff in either the CC or FWL
I can dig it.

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>>55394867
>MoC post-Jihad is a bunch of psychotic augmented bitches with hackjob Manchurian candidacy and expat Wobbies who didn't want to go down in flames and instead would rather slowly dominate the MoC from the inside for revenge later

>>55394978
>'The Periphery should be nothing but bumblefuck hillbillies; the Successor States are the only ones who should be relevant, ever.

Yes, and? What's your point?

I'm right.

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>>55395400
And if a player looks at the Houses and decides they don't want to be part of the Lyran Gausswall of Social Generals, the Davion Autocannon Mafia, the Capellan Totalitarian Nightmare, the Kurita Co-Prosperity Sphere, or the Marik Eternal Civil War?

There's more than enough dumbfuckery in the 31st Century to supply more than five factions. Enjoying a little more texture in the setting in not badwrongfun.

>>55395540
>And if a player looks at the Houses and decides they don't want to be part of the Lyran Gausswall of Social Generals, the Davion Autocannon Mafia, the Capellan Totalitarian Nightmare, the Kurita Co-Prosperity Sphere, or the Marik Eternal Civil War?

Then they're wrong. Play a different game.

>>55357549

I refuse to play the Roughneck on the tabletop unless it has a a Fuel Cell or Internal Combustion engine due to being an armed IndustrialMech

>>55395175
>>55395236

>just remembered the 3095 encounter with the Wobbie fleet and the Corinth was in the dead zone between the MoC and the Marians.
The plot thickens.

>>55395540
>Implying a faction needs to be relevant to have someone play it
See the entirety of the Homeworlders.

>>55395619

It isn't that extreme. Don't be an ass just for the sake of being an ass.

>>55395540
Sure, there's more factions than the big 5, but when you choose one of the pissant minor factions, don't come whining because they can't roll out the same kind of forces that one of the superpowers can. Nobody complains in EUIV when Karelia gets steamrolled by the Russians, don't bitch when we rightfully point out that the Canopeners can't hang with the Davions, the Liao or the Mariks if they decide to stomp on the Periphery states.

The established history and canon of the universe is that the Periphery powers are minor players at best, but like any franchise with a large number of authors, sometimes, some author will wank their pet faction to greatness that makes no sense within the context of the setting. So when it gets pointed out by the fans who actually look at the universe as a whole rather than the single or few books of one author masturbating to his pet star nation, and is pointed out as being inconsistent garbage, you shouldn't be surprised.

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>>55395806

yfw the dying, fractured, constantly infighting "free worlds league" and their fake democracy is crushed by House O'Reilly and the ROMAN EMPIRE is revived IN SPACE

>>55395837

I'm OK with that. Purple Burd is fucking overrated garbage anyway.

>>55390314

There's tradeoffs using stock mechs. The Jenner has bad heat management, short range, but goes fast, while the Urbie and Hollander are the other way around. The Panther is a jump sniper while the Locust is a cheap scout. The Firestarter is a support mech that kills infantry + creates decoy heat signatures and smoke screens by starting fires while the Raven is a support mech that spots for artillery and messes with enemy electronics through jamming and fake signals.

Naturally there's a strategy to which one you choose, given that you can't optimize loadouts and have to base your choices around economical factory production designs rather than ace customization.

>>55395806
>Nobody complains in EUIV when Karelia gets steamrolled by the Russians, don't bitch when we rightfully point out that the Canopeners can't hang with the Davions, the Liao or the Mariks if they decide to stomp on the Periphery states.

Nobody's complaining that the Houses are better than the Periphery. We just think it's stupid that the power gap is so far apart it's totally pointless to actually play a Periphery v House game for a big chunk of the settings timeline. It's not dissimilar to playing a platoon-level tank game (just tanks, and only platoon sized) where one player gets Panzer Is and one player gets Leopard IIs or T-90s.

It's still supposed to be a game, first and foremost.

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Fresh off the press. Hope it's up to snuff.

>>55388803
Thank you for answering.
Then Clans can not do "dishonorable" indirect shooting at SLRM.

>>55395983
The periphery is there for flavor in history and campaigns, not a pickup fight. The major periphery states didn't even really exist until 1987. The people who got center stage before that were the three pirate kings. That should give you plenty of flavor for the intention of what they are.

Just goes back to what that other guy was saying. Don't try to make the Periphery states something they're not. They're the ragged edge of humanity on the frontier of the unknown. They're not meant to compete with the Inner Sphere. They're meant to kill pirates and provide some measure of civilization to the brave few who call those places home.

Honestly, the funniest thing I find in this entire conversation is that "X is my faction" is pretty antithetical to most battletech players in the first place. Most people play loads of different factions and eras depending on what they feel like or some new thing they painted.

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>>55391509

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So, uh, how about that UAC/20?

>>55396772
Snake eyes/10.

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>>55392038

>>55396837

Another lawyer is saying that what the findings actually state is that Tatsunoko can't double-dip for profits and nothing else is going to change. Supposedly Tatsunoko were cllaiming they should get paid both for when HG bought stuff from them and then sold it to others and the provisions of the agreement were that they just got paid when HG buys stuff from them. The judge sided with HG.

Apparently Facebook and Reddit readings of the finding went places the judge didn't and fan rejoicing is very premature.

Not a lawyer either so we'll have to wait and see.

https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20170830639

Probably ... ... HG knew that 41 characters derived from Macross could not be used, and was developing Robotech's products.
They're crooks.

>>55397491

That link says the judge found in favour of HG.

How this is being interpreted as HA HA HG LOSES FOREVER is beyond me. The only thing they seem to have lost on is whether ~40K was owed to Big West, everything else went their way.

Presumably this is meant to allow HG to produce an all-new Robotech when the rights expire and/or as part of their supposed movie deal.

>>55397688
I think that HG adopts their version of "Project Phoenix" for live action movies.

>>55397688
As far as I can tell

>Harmony Gold tried to backdoor a full global rights grab of SDF Macross in 2003, not just distribution
>They filed Arbitration against Tatsunoko to make it fully legal now
>Tatsunoko contests the legality of the 2003 agreement and wants to revise the agreement to be pure distribution

>Court arbitration finds that
>A: HG was totally in the legal right to register Macross trademarks globally and fuck Big West
>B: HG owes Big West nothing for any new derivative works they've made including completely new material like motion pictures
This was the HG victory they were seeking with this whole thing. They got what they want.
>C: HG has global distribution rights for Macross until 2021 and can make any new derivative material, EXCLUDING the original Macross 41 designs
Now this is the kicker, as it's the first time US courts acknowledged the Japanese decision. This puts the unseen in the free and clear design wise.
>D: Proof that HG fucked over Big West in royalties going back decades doesn't count as all that material is more than four years old
>E: Big West owes HG 55k in old legal fees
>F: HG owes Big West 42k in royalty fuckovers from the last few years
>G: Big West gets everything back in 2021 and has no obligation to any contracts or agreements with HG beyond that point. No right of last offer or refusal or any of that shit.
This is almost a guarantee that HG loses Macross for good in 2021
>H: Big West owes HG almost 900k in legal costs from this Arbitration case as they lost it
A hundred million yen bled from the Nips over this shit. They're not going to forget that.


So the long and short is HG got what they wanted in holding onto Macross trademarks and getting full negotiating status with Sony so they can release the new movie even in Japan. They even got distribution in Japan itself for the OG Macross until 2021 and all their legal fees.

But they also lost their ground for all the shit they filed on the Battletech boys.

>>55397911
Almost forgot. This also basically torpedoes Robotech Tactics as a game. I wonder how that's going to shake out? Might be small enough to just fly under the radar.

But TLDR: HG fucked the Japs hard, but lost their Battletech leverage to do so.

>>55397911
>As far as I can tell

You don't even keep the line of thought consistent.

>Big West owes HG almost 900k in legal costs from this Arbitration case as they lost it.
Big West never got into any abritration with Harmony Gold. How could they have lost?

>>55397980
I misstyped. That's Tatsunoko. The other smaller shit was them arguing over how much responsibility HG had in helping shoulder any legal fees from the 1998 Big West/Tatsunoko case despite not being involved in it.

It's three in the morning. Give me a break. The thing is simple enough to actually read through. Just look at the actual arbitration awards.

New thread:

>>55398088
>>55398088
>>55398088

>>55397911
So HG or Columbia got only 4 years to push a flop movie out and they cannot use 41 Macross characters?!

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>>55396112
What a Coincidence

I'm Using Various RPG Tokens as my portraits for MekHQ, That portrait is shared by my Head Tech

>>55395540
Merc companies jerkass. You can make one.