Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for Deathwatch.

>>55348607
First for fun is the cancer killing this game

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>>55348611

From the last thread,

What's a good price to pay for a Knight Warden if it's assembled but not primed/painted? It's got the box and all of the bits. I'm thinking about picking one up and running it with my Guard and there are a couple people selling them in my area (I think they just bought them for konor's LOW week).

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>>55348623
You mother fucker

Does anyone have the stats for the plague go-cart?

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>>55348625

Fail.

Has anyone ever actually managed to get any Electropriests to go Super Saiyan for the 3++? Seems like that won't really happen much thanks to not many of them living to charge something, but then again melee fights are really swingy in 8e. Very rarely have I seen a melee actually go on to a second combat round, something's either dead or pulled back by then.
Still, if they're countercharging you might get to pull a huge blob of 20 3++ 5+++ lunatics for 320 points, which isn't half had.

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>>55348635

All I've been seeing is people say "spam boyz/conscripts" lately. If the meta changes (due to, for example, a FAQ), I got the feeling at least a few new players will feel fucked over by /tg/. Hopefully any anons who want to run a less that optimal army just do it, especially if their army's codex isn't out yet.

>>55348629

knights are shit in 8th, i wouldn't pay more than 40 dollars for one

>>55348660
It's true, but damn does that statement make me cringe over power creep

>>55348655
Anyone who just buys the most broken thing tg is talking about deserves what they get. Razorwing flocks for example.

>>55348671
>power creep
More like power pogo-sticking.

>>55348671
If they're shit now, and you want one, maybe you can get a good deal. Sometimes shit turns to gold after a FAQ or new edition.

thoughts on the better anti-armor options for eldar? local meta is going very landraider/equivalent heavy since there are less large hordes present, and my current eldar lists are having some difficulties with cracking T8 (can only doom 1 target).

fire prisms are lackluster in practice, and of the platforms for brightlances none of them are low enough cost to be taken in quantity or robust enough to handle return fire with limited numbers. what do? I already run 2 hemlocks, and while they help I don't want to sink any further points into flyers.

>>55348655
>listening to /tg/
>ever
Lmao. It's even worse in 8th where the meta can get fucked up on a whim. The butthurt when GW fucked Flyers was palpable.

>>55348683

What's a good deal? I sure as shit don't want to pay $140 or whatever GW is charging for them now.

>>55348674
when were razorwing flocks OP?

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From last thread, posting my appreciation and a few questions.

>>55347490 #
So paint and play orks then??

>>55347492 #
Awesome job anon, pic saved for later ref. Thanks!

>>55347537 #
My inspiration for Pallid hand was just grimier 30k legion colours so your on point anon, and that simplicity of that flesh paint scheme is prime!

>>55347694 #
This is kinda what i was looking for anon, in terms of darker colours relating to the lighter scheme as you said. As well, the suggestion on the skin colours are on point. Definitely a few ideas there that I would have totally overlooked. By necrosis though, did you mean like grayish-dark purpleish decayed flesh or more fleshy decay"ing" coloured rot that comes from gangrene?

Thanks for all responses anons!!! I am a much stronger converter then painter so when i get this gooey army going, you will all be the first to see them!!! And sorry for coming back to the party late...

Hey kiddos
Suppose you want some custodes to fight next to your guardsmen
I'm thinking sort of "tactical custodian squad lost for a couple of millenia revered as gods by the planet they ended up on, levying a retinue of admittedly shit but zealous guardsmen" meme.
How lore friendly is this? Is it allowed by the indexes? Am I just high on some shit?

>>55348697
Before they got boosted to double points. 7 points a flock before Fax. came out. 84 points for max unit, not 168.......

Nope!!!!!!!

>>55348695
>What's a good deal?
One that fits what you ARE willing to spend.

Second hand rule of thumb
100+% for paintjobs you love
80% for boxed/on sprue unpainted
60% for assembled unpainted, just primed or paintjob that you like
50% for passable paintjob you can live/work with
40% for a stripjob

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Followers of the Changer of Ways, whether it be for daemons or children of dust, what would you like to see in the codex rules-wise? This of course meaning outside of new models, given that's not likely and such. I'm also more interested in discussion on the rules at the moment.

>>55348712
Do they have Imperium keyword? Then yes, you can take them in a different detachment.

>>55348712
>namefag
Stop.

Auxiliary detachment @ -1 CP will let you run anything with anything if you share a faction keyword, so yes you can. Lore friendly is another matter. Yes, it's fluffy in 8th since Girlyman made them leave the Imp Palace but not everyone is happy with how GW handled getting Custodes to participate in shit.

>>55348697
Back when they were 7 points each with no restrictions

>>55348712
Custodes do not get lost, squads are as valuable as full Space Marine companies.
Index allows it rues wise.

>>55348632
Literally an unconfirmed rumor

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Op of this >>55348714 here.

At, what is it, 3-4 wounds each for a 40mm based unit; 84 points for a massive wall of 36-48 wounds for under 100 points is crazy... even as a DE player.

But double was to much, should be 10-11 points each but w/e.... Everything i got has flying almost so, falling back is nice.

>>55348735
So I am aware that they don't "get lost"
I mean more like "big golden throne man said go here and stand around cuz its important"
Captcha: free mexico

>>55348726
Sweet esus you woke up on the wrong side of bed

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So... do these get Death to the False Emperor? Because I think if they do, they could actually rack up some damage.

>>55348725
There should be more than 6 psychic powers or certain units should have a special psychic power if their own. Ahriman should have a special rule where he can talk to an enemy psyker on the table and make them fuck up spells or some shit, even if he's in reserve.

IG get a super unit not baneblade when?

>>55348754
>Does a unmanned, daemon possessed, plague throwing, lawn-mower have a rule meant for marines that served in the times before daemonic-corruption

What ya think anon??

Other then me thinking of VotLW, my reasoning is the same.

>>55348763
they get like 7, and then 6 or so lesser super heavies you moron

>>55348754
Oh boy! Demonic Lawnmower!

>>5534876
So stormhammer?

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>>55348674
>>55348697
>>55348714
>>55348731

You have to be a seriously special kind of cretinous autist to do this and not realise you just defeated the purpose of the whole hobby. How can anyone possible think this is fun from a modelling, game playing or fluff perspective. Its like kiddies who use exploits and cheat codes to win a game for that hollow victory on technicality.

>>55348725
What I'm hoping for is pretty much the same as the AoS Disciples of Tzeentch got, so a psychic discipline for Thousand Sons and another one for Tzeentch Daemons and the ability to either take daemons without screwing up your legion rules or just better summoning, to represent how the numerically disadvantaged Thousand Sons summon daemons to get some more bodies onto the battlefield.

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>>55348759
Oh shit, that could be really interesting actually.
For things like exalted sorcs, they could even have different powers depending on the warlord trait you choose so that you have a tad bit more to think about.

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How well did I do anons?

post ending in 7 renames my Lord

New units for Necrons when?

>>55348795
PoxMcGoo

>>55348795
Mr Poop

>>55348791
Not sure how exactly the keywords work for Death Guard but if I remember correctly I heard daemons are in their codex, not sure if they can be ran under the Death Guard keyword though. It'd be great if we'd be able to run them without breaking rules.

>>55348795

Slimer

>>55348795
Dumpmaster Q

>>55348787
Im the first and last and was literally speaking out against buying the most op thing being talked about. Go to bed anon you are tired.

>>55348795

Chinky Pete with the Stinky Feet

>>55348795
Poopface

>>55348795

The Great Clean One

>>55348808

I wasn't attack you on this point just adding commentary to that discussion,

>>55348795
His name is Fatty Bo Batty and you know it, this was decided a few days ago.

Deal with it, damn good name.

>>55348787
Daemon player needs to pick up a fucking brush

>>55348795
PooPuddle McGee

>>55348712
Take off the name jamal

>>55348795
CCG player

>>55348798
Who knows
If tau and orks are getting models then necrons might too

>>55348829
Nah senpai

>>55348807
Yay

>>55348815
I know anon, I don't know what else I expected here

It just hurts

New IG unit ideas?
Sly maybe?
Fortress of Arrogance?

>>55348795
Stinky Pete with the DInky Feet

>>55348807
I like this.

>>55348837
Dude we get it you're muslim you don't have to tell us like that

>>55348844
how about fixing valks to be less useless and making russes able to shoot after falling back first?

>>55348632
Buddy I live 5 minutes away from Warhammer World. There's no nightclub in Nottingham called The Rock. Closest thing is Rock City which is a music venue.

>>55348820
But anon, the resale value is better if they're unpainted after they get nerfed. Don't you even know 40k economics?

>>55348820
the only daemon I see is the Yncarne
the rest are razorwing flocks and drones

>>55348853
I really like Russes shooting at -1 when falling back. The turrets hit on 5s and the other guns fire at 6s. Seems fair.

>>55348792
It'll make units far more interesting and tactical. Some units are usually kept away from the thick of the fighting as buffers to augment units. What if they have a really powerful spell that only worked within a very close range? Do you risk potentially losing that unit to a charge next turn so you can hopefully get off your spell this turn to fuck shit up?

Things to think about. Shit for your enemy to think about, too.

>>55348871
Shit, sorry. I'm being a degenerate phone poster and it looked like a horde of pink horrors

>>55348859
>was
>"there isn't"
>was
>was

>>55348847
Meme :DDD

>>55348859
Well damn. That would have been funny as hell

Who else is excited to hear about Admech's exciting new Forgeworld rules, like rerolling damage against buildings?

Stop replying or it won't go away.

>>55348883
Which is why no images or phonebook listings of any bar in the area ever existing have surfaced. Come on man what do you get out of forcing dead 1d4chan memes?

>>55348895
I refuse all games with FW models or rules in them, so it wont bother me at all.

>>55348883
Nightclubs in Nottingham don't close often. Oceana closed down last year and that was the first one in decades, then it reopened as Prism. I'm all for homoeroticism in the Dark Angels (I play fists) but at least post the poem they get their name from, not lies.

>>55348904
No, in an exceptionally brilliant move, the chapter tactics of Adeptus Mechanicus are called Forgeworld rules, so as to not confuse them with rules from Forgeworld.

>>55348904
Kek
Nice meme

>>55348895
Alpha CT for styg

>>55348898
there is only one god allah and muhammed is his prophet

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>>55348898

>>55348906
Poem? Color me interested. What's it called?

>>55348874
eh if its cumulative -1s then if its got damage its secondary guns cant shoot at all.

Thoughts on what the next army will be?

Will probably still be a while away, but what is the most likely faction to pop up that isn't affiliated with any current faction? Meaning brand new, not another chapter, not an offshoot like Ynnari/Genestealers.

>>55348917
Dark Angel by Lionel Johnson

>>55348795
Bubonic Billy

>>55348917
Lionel Johnson, The Dark Angel.

>>55348925
Won't be
Offshoots are likelier

>>55348917
It's literally just called Dark Angel by Lionel Johnson. There are a bunch of theories on what it's about since it's not clear but most just go with the theory that it's resisting homo lust.

>>55348787
What are you even talking about??

Literally 40k was a game first with shit models, then it became a hobby.

Refelecting autism is, in itself, autism friendo.

>>55348925
If dubs you will play Speedfreaks Orks

>>55348925
Squats or Sisters. GW wants to make a big impression in this edition and this is the easiest and most effective way to do it.

>>55348928
>>55348933
>>55348939
Thanks anon, I love learning weird stuff about 40k

>>55348958
Orks were based on football hooligans and Nazi skinheads. One of their language runes was a swastika.

>>55348795
Guy who brought up Fatty bo batty in the thread anon. Ill post good, original names till i hit number 7 then you can have some good times bro.

Slug'gorath

>>55348968
>skinheads
You know that the Swastika is a universal symbol that is or was used by basically every culture in the world right

>>55348968
Haha, no shit? I've heard that one warboss is supposed to be Margaret Thatcher, or at least named after her. Ghazgkhull I think

>>55348795
Maggtostic

>>55348979
>>55348983

Commander Fagballs

>>55348895
Well, we have one decent one, and -1 To Hit over.12" really isn't terrible, especially for all our gunline units. Taking 25 to 33% less damage is a significant buff for all our shooty units and might allow our countercharge to actually live to do their jobs. Probably better for us than for the actual Raven Guard, now I think about it.

>>55348982
That was confirmed false by GW.

>>55348953
Jokes on you, I was planning on making an Ork army any.

Just not Speedfreaks.
I don't like bikes.

>>55348979
You know that after WW2 the symbol in the West became synonymous with antisemitism and nazism, right?

>>55348795
Slimtrixio

>>55348906
Oceana and prism are cancer only Ocean is worse.

Sverigebögar rapportera
Någon för en vänskapsmatch i Skövdetrakten/schlätta?

>>55348998

Lieutenant Fagballs

>>55348795
Ozwald Orfesscus

>>55348954
>Sisters
GW has confirmed that they're not even started yet. We're at least 2 years away from anything sister related.

>>55349001
Sorry, hade velat men är i Göteborgs trakten

>>55348992
Bummer. And Jesus Christ captcha, find someone else to ID targets for drone strikes

>>55349008

Dr. Fagballs

>>55348997
And that GW tend to draw their influences from dozens of cultures on the planet? What about it?

>>55349009
GW hasn't confirmed when they'd release a "new army" either. But you're probably right.

>>55348795
The Laughing one

>>55348795

Commander Fagballs

>>55348968
This is always what deeply amuses me when /pollacks/ use them as the shoe-in minority for their 40k jokes. Shows they have no god damn idea what they're talking about.

>>55348795
Lord of the Droning

>>55348795
I have the path to glory name generator on me, so roll 6d6 for your lords name and title

So, if my unit doesn't have a melee profile, how is CC done? My last opponent was like "nu-uh, you have no melee weapon to attack so you can't fight back". I was on the side to have a basic profile WS as stated, Strength User, no AP and 1 Damage.

Who was right?

>>55348795

Battle Brother Fagballs

>>55349010
Fan ock
Du vet inte några bra klubbar då? Jävligt pigg på att testa min senaste collection

>>55349030
What unit is it?

>>55349014
Orks being based on football hooligans is pretty blatant, and there's a lot of overlap between football hooligan riots and skinheads. While presumably unrelated to the skinhead themes, their football hooligan association is also why they're all cockney and their liquid diet is exclusively beer,

>>55349014
Hooligans and nazi skinheads were a blight upon late 70s-early 80s England, faggot. Often the two shared membership or were even the same thing. A lot of very early Fantasy Battle/40k lore draws heavily upon the cultural climate of that era.

>>55349030
What do you mean a unit with WS, S, AP and D but no 'melee profile'?
what unit are we talking about here?

>>55349035
Kan tyvärr bara en i Gbg (förutom GW)

>>55349014
Orks are not hindu mate, they just support Milwall.

>If pakis / indians riot the UK collapses

>>55349015
Sisters aren't a new army, either, so there's that. New army is either chaos/exodite eldar or some type of imperial army like Arbites, who fit into necromunda/shadow war.

>>55349043
Are soccer riots an actual issue in the UK? Otherwise it seems like a very niche reference.

>>55349027

There you go anon >>55348795

Easy, simple and not too edgelord. Hope this is preferable then Lord Fatty Bo Batty

>>55348990
I thought that only applied to infantry.

>>55349043
Well no shit, the football hooligan one is so obvious that you'd need a double digit IQ to miss it. But the skinheads one seems a bit of a stretch.

>>55348795

Judge Fagballs

>>55348607

Hey boys been out of the loop for a few. Have they polished 8th to playabilty yet?

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Orks share plenty of visual motifs with nazis

>>55349020
Not even /pol/ likes skinheads.

>>55349039
>>55349046
Basic Skittle Vanguards iirc. He was attacking with some space wolf unit with hammers, can't remember exactly which one. He said I can't fight back because he has a melee weapon equipped (hammers) and I don't besides on my alpha (a power sword iirc). The profile of the vanguard does state A1, WS4+ though, so I argued that I could attack in theory, why else would it state a WS and A1?

>>55349054
England never had soccer riots. We had football riots a lot, though.

>>55349054
it was a pretty big thing +30 years ago.

They would get pissed drunk and just beat each other up as hard as their last concussion let them. Pretty bad stuff. Many of them were also skinheads leaning towards neo-nazism and general nationalsocialism fuelled by momma Thatcher

>>55349001

Kuken, hade gärna velat men sitter i fjollträsk... Var fan hittar man spelkamrater i det här avlånga landet?

>>55349068
>biker paraphernalia
>even have a group obsessed with going fast (including on bikes)
>"nazis
ok

>>55349071
Page 183 of the Rulebook states to assume a unit is equipped with a CCW if no melee weapons are listed

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>>55349054
They used to be, and sometimes still are.

>>55349083
You've never heard of biker gangs?

>>55349084
Good. Thanks. I'll show that to him the next time if I ever play him again. I debunked like 3 rules and extras he made up on-the-fly to get special bonus actions and stuff like that but he couldn't show me on the index. I think he just tryharded to win

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>>55349071

Tell your opponent he's literally retarded.

Also learn to read. The rules are literally free on the GW website, neither of you have an excuse.

>>55349059
Infantry and Dreads, wasn't it? So yeah, they can still shoot my Crawlers and Kastelans at full power, but those are perhaps the units I have that can best take that pummelling and will have repakr crews. Dragoons have it built in anyway.
Kastelans with 1+ 4++ from aegis and Shroudpsalm, Raven Guard CTs, Mortal Wound bounce on 35+ and repairing D3 per turn will have opponents praying for that lucky lascannon hit because nothing else is ever going to kill the bastards.
What it will so is combine with Shroudpsalm to make basic Skitarii pretty tough for cost, and possibly stop my Electropriests from being evaporated.

>>55349071
Vanguard can punch, no idea what he's on about. They even have an ability to make it better, which would be a bit useless if all you could swing was a power sword.

>>55349060
It's not. The Chelsea Headhunters were notorious for hating skinheads. They hated Millwall because the Millwall firm was largely comprised of skinheads and neo nazis. The Chelsea firm was run by a black dude who started it because he was always given shit by skinheads in other firms and even within Chelsea's fans. He got a strong following of all sorts, and even hard as fuck white blokes, because he was an even harder cunt who garnered a fuck ton of respect.

>>55349087
No, I'm saying they look more like bikers than nazis

>>55349100
Wait, that was meant to mean that the repairers got the -1, not the Kastelans. Got overexcited listing buffs.

So how are MSU Rubrics in general CSM lists.

Also, do you expect Magnus to lose access to Hereticus in his codex?

>>55348947

I was just saying you have to be autistic to spend money on the same shitty bird models and spam that and think you're winning because you're exploiting a loophole in the rules rather than have a normal army with variety and interest.

>>55349105
Fuck, mourinho made me hate chelsea but this sheds new light

>>55348795
>>55348807

Beautiful/10
Dumpmaster Q is born

>>55349107
they look more like Nazi themed bikers than Nazi themed Nazis

>>55349100
>>55349099
See >>55349097
Didn't have the rules by hand and my phone was turned off to save some batteries. Didn't have a chance to check them. He claimed he was a "rule expert" but I think he was just a douche in the end. He didn't even show me his book because "he didn't want strangers to touch it".

>>55349114
MSU is pretty much the best way to play non-TSons Rubrics. And Magnus probably if not definitely will lose access to Hereticus

>>55349117
The headhunters still have a lot of connections to racist groups but they fucking HATED skinheads for a while. Millwall skinheads were the biggest cunts, and they used to beat up Chelsea "civs" which was usually a big no-no. Against the code, if you will.

>>55349100
I wonder if it will stack with the dragoons, would make them worth taking.

Also, I'm bad at math. What would be better for survivability, a 6+fnp or being 1 harder to hit?

>>55349144
6+ FnP is borderline useless. You get it to go off once in a while and that's it.

>>55349138
What the fuck does this post even mean

>>55349138
Fucking Millwall seriously. Glad that football lost most of the violent fanatism although now it is just a bloated putrescent pile of shit to stupidly move hundreds of millions in corrupt operations.

hey guys.
so about a week ago I realised that because I like both tabletop games and scale model painting(mostly airplanes and tanks) I thought that maybe warhammer would be a thing I might like, I've ordered the hardcover rulebook already, and I'm going to read through it entirely when I get it. I was just wondering if anybody here might have a nice tip for me.

>>55349153
It basically translates to
>the eternal anglo

>>55349153
I'm still just miffed it got taken away from stock Skitarii.

>>55349144
-1 is way better, since against BS2+ you deny him 20% of his firepower (one out of five normally successful results no longer hits) , BS3+ 25%, BS4+ 33% and BS5+ 50%. 6+ FnP is a 16.66% increase in durability, and the -1 occasionally denys an entire lascannon shot which would almost certainly overkill something like a 2W Sicarian enough that the FnP would basically have no effect, or block a whole Autocannon shot that reduces the FnP to a 1 in 9 chance for a 1W model.

>>55349132
>Rubrics

They seem to be weaker than other cult units, although part of it lack of codex.

>Magnus

I agree, although losing Warptime and Weaver of Fates will still be crippling. I guess we can expect +1 to invu power in TSon discipline.

>>55349010
I am moving to gothenburg after thanksgiving.
Where do people go to play with grimdark space dolls over there?

>>55349158
Don't play space marines of any kind.

>>55349158
Go with your gut on your first army. People will talk shit about units and factions but fuck that nonsense and go with what you like.

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>>55349159
>>55349160

>>55349158
Just steal all the rules in the OP.
Save you a fair bit of cash right there

>>55349158

Wait...
Every one is praising this edition even though it lacks basic fucking wargaming concepts.
You can walk through walls.
Vehicles facing does not matter, so you can just shoot all your guns from the tread or where ever.
Flamers hit flyers.
All kindas wacky shit. And they fucking worshiping like it made the game great again...

>>55349158
The "Start Collecting" boxes are the best way to get into the game if you're looking to get straight into it. You can work out proper lists and correct composition later on, but for value-for-money and accessibility the "Start Collecting" sets are great.

Do you have a particular army in mind? If you're not already burned out with tanks then Imperial Guard (old classic name for Astra Miliatrium) are right up your alley.

>>55349192
jeez, you sound just like a few of my guys from the LGS who are like "dude 8th is bad lmao let's stay with 7th because it has SO MANY GUD RULES yaaay!"

>>55349116
You ever heard of smoke screen tactics?
Hiding important combatants behind of wall of expendable forces.

It is the reason why creepy Scarecrows who are thiner then broomsticks survive to kill teenagers. Hiding behind mass murders of crows.

Half the reason why my Beasmaster is modelled like a inanimate, farm, effigy is for this exact reason.

Seems like someone got his shit kicked in by early 8th Razorwings and now has a hatred, and fear, of crows. I think thats a phobia anon......

>>55349154
Yep. Fuck FIFA and fuck Sep Blatter. It's nice that there are still lower leagues to enjoy, but I hate that all the top flight shit is behind a massive pay wall. How the fuck did BT manage to sneak past competition law the ENTIRE Champions League for YEARS lmao

>>55349192
Would you prefer fucking 7th edition?

>>55348990

I would kill to see the SOB get a similar thing as one of their options. -1 to hit Penitent Engines/Retributors would make them so much fun. Likely due to heavy incense burners making it hard to see them more than stealth.

>>55349158
Also, don't worry about what is good and what is underpowered.

If you don't have a passion for what you're playing with, then you won't get excited. If you're not excited then you're not invested. If you're not invested then you don't care, so why play that unit/army?

Go with whatever you find appealing.

>>55349116
>>55349205
And i bought a cheap, white metal, crow flock proxy for $6 apiece so not really losing out on buying 12 of them.......

>>55349213
This. Also, the meta constantly changes with codex releases and new editions, and now that Chapter Approved is back it's even more costly in real world shekels to metagame without being nerfed eventually. Just play what looks cool and it'll eventually become a good unit.

>>55348903
>bar
>night club
pick one

>>55349208
That's exactly what the Dragoons have down to the explanation. Problem is that the Dragoons don't have the punch to do much when they do reach combat, but they're great roadblocks and objective cappers.

>>55349192
Infantry can walk through walls.
Vehicles aren't static and the game's rules are trying to replicate that everything is constantly moving and doing shit. It's why you can kill an entire unit when you can only see one model, because it's like the unit was marching out of cover during the turn and got cut down. You have to suspend disbelief. I know you can do it.
Flamers hit flyers because if you start introducing all these weird little exceptions then the game becomes 7th edition, where only certain things are viable because exceptions make everything else shit.

>>55349213
>>55349195
>>55349183
I thought about going for space marines for my first army, although astra militarum also looks compelling.

I told one of my friends I liked the space wolves colour scheme but he called me a furry and said space wolves are shit

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>>55349153
roughly it means that there are a bunch of references to 70/80 British culture in GW products that would be meaningless to people from a different time or place

>ere we go, ere we go, ere we go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZhRGul4nPY

>>55349203
>>55349207

Im not playing 7th cause I dont like the sad boys that play old editions of games. 7th wasent that bad of a rule set versus how prroly written the codex are.
8th has the weakest core rules ever written, versus some of the better codex writing and balancing.
The evidence is that 30k is keeping 7th and their game is fucking gods gift. I dont understand how the boys at forge world are so good as to make the best models and rules, while GW makes cartoon ass models and 101 jokes rule books.

>>55349174
There is a place in Majorna called Spelets Hus it's a quite popular place, although I haven't been there in a while.
It's on Djurgårdsgatan 40

>>55349237
He's right on both accounts. SW are bar none the worst loyalist chapter.

>>55349237
be a real man and go with lamenters
you will know their pain, trying to paint their symbol pauldrons

>>55348903
Gay bars in those days were often very secretive affairs. There were fucking loads of illegal raves that used to take place in warehouses that attendees have names to. Gay bars weren't an exception, and back then it was more of a rule.

>>55349248
Well I mean, no real proof of any such bar even existing has ever surfaced is my point. Therefore it's pretty dumb to go around pushing a meme based off of a sourceless rumor

>>55349232

>Problem is that the Dragoons don't have the punch to do much when they do reach combat, but they're great roadblocks and objective cappers.

Yeah, Penitent Engines manage to have the punch when they get there but they often have a hard time getting there due to fragility.

Though, I'd have loved to have seen them have Death Company Dreads/Khorne Daemon Engines/Penitent Engines work on a reverse damage chart (I really think the damage charts could be played with in fun ways they are not really being done right now) so the closer to death they get, the faster they move and more they attack as they are in a death frenzy.

>>55349238
It was weird that orks used to have families and households and shit.

>>55349243
>7th
>anything other than bloated formation dogshit

>>55349237
The good thing is that you can field Space Marines and Astra Miliatarum together because they're both Imperial armies (Unless I missed something?). This means that even if you only buy a few units of Space Marines and you really don't want to continue with them, you can use them in an AM army to pad it out until you get more AM units.

Another plus is that you can still use the colour scheme in any army without actually making Space Wolves. You want blue and silver AM with silver trim? Go for it!

>>55349276
ooooh so the colour I paint the Power armour doesn't actually matter?
can I also use my own colour scheme or does it have to be a canon one?

>>55349081
Inte i närheten av mig är tydligt


>>55349048
Men det var då själva fan
Ska man behöva dra ner ens riktiga vänner i det här träsket?

>>55349273

I agree, thats why there are not formations in 30k.
THE CORE RULES. Are good, everything else, formations, and codex where a mistake.

>>55349284
You can make your own chapter, for sure. They just have to be descended from one of the other founding ones lore-wise, EXCEPT Space Wolves because Wulfen. Give it a cool scheme and a unique symbol and it should be good, just don't expect any special rules.

>>55349284

RULE OF COOL MY DUDE

>>55349256
It's funny because it butthurts Dark Angels players. I don't give a fuck if it's true or not.

I could say that Space Wolves were created by a GW employee who was a huge autistic fan of Fox and the Hound and used to draw copious amounts of porn of it, and it would be no less funny in how mad and threatened it makes Wolves players.

>>55349287
The core rules? You mean the 15 pages of special rules? The 23 pages on vehicle movement?

>>55349285
Tyvärr brukar det bli så, har säkert fem kamrater som har sänkt tusentals av sina riksdaler på plastfigurer nu, känns lite sådär att orsaka ekonomisk misär men så är det när man ska leka krig.

>>55349289
holy shit thats actually fucking baller
Gonna make orange space marines with red white blue emblems

>>55349243
>forgeworld
>good at writing rules
I didn't realize we were in the Twilight Zone. HH is DEAD. Just look at the general. All 3 groups in my area dropped it like a sac of shit after 8th. I'm not saying 8th is the greatest thing ever because frankly, it's starting to get boring for me, but it's a significant improvement over the steamy turd that was 7th.

>>55349071
>space wolf player
>cheater
pick 2

>>55349294
Long rules are ok as long as they keep everything tight.

>>55349300
Just curious, what makes it boring? The lack of a codex for most armies?

>>55349192
>flamers can hit fliers
You mean that worthless gun that no one takes because storm/combi bolters are better?

>>55349289
woofs can have successors now but only Primaris (it's a minor plot point in Dark Imperium)

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>>55349284
Yep, you can paint your army however you like. There are no limits on painting, you can paint them however you like. For example, normally Egyptian themed space zombie robots done in a Hello Kitty theme! Pretty sure these are still tournament legal.

The only thing I'm not sure on (could someone clarify) is how the Space Marine Chapter rules work. For example, if I have green and yellow Marines, do I need to use the Salamander rules?

Also, if I have my own Chapter, can I take the special rules from an established chapter (Like increased morale (I think it is) from Ultramarines) and use that?

>>55349206
Tell me about it. I am from Spain and it's even more ridiculous. I just watch rugby now.

>>55349237
SW can be cool if you just focus on the mostly forgotten viking fluff. Raids and strong champions

>>55349300

Im gonna give it some more play time cause ya know I have a ton of warhammer shit but I cant feel the hype like I used to. I just get turned off when vehicles abuse cover and little niggers walk though walls. And flyers firing form the back. It kinda ruins the experience. Bums me out man.

>>55349295
Ekonomisk kris pga plastsoldater it is. Ska bara lura ut hur man lockar in dem

>>55349312
I have mars colored Adetus Mechanicus. I'll run them as any Forgeworld I want. Some people are too autistic to handle that, though, especially in this hobby.

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>people feriously saying 7th is bad
Can you guys come over to tell my friends to fuck off and play 8th with me? They're literal 7th fanatics who won't even play 8th because "they watched videos and it says it's bad". Even though when you try to show them new videos were people are like "ok it's fine" or show them forum posts, they're like "Nu-uh I don't take opinions from others".

>>55349322

A good portion of the people at my LGS Dropped warhammer because of 8th.
Every one is more focused on Infinity, bolt action, warmachine, anything else really.

>>55349322
Get better friends, retard

>>55349322
Your friends are autists. Get new friends.

Imagine having to play 7th edition at the end forever.

>>55349298
It's mostly irrelevant (It's a game and you should have fun painting your army and making them YOUR DUDES!) but if you want to stick to lore I'd say those colors would work best as Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, or Blood Angel successors.

Help me through this scenario;

My turn, im playing ynarri and my tantalus kills a unit of marines spawning the Yncarne. I then use the rest of my army to kill another squad next to him triggering soulburst.

Can i use this soulburst action to use my psychic powers,letting me cast reroll 1s and then word of the phoenix to soulburst again into a charge? Or does a natural soulburst prevent a spell soulburst.

Cant check index as at work cheers.

>>55349319
jävla svenne
bög
för fan

>>55349312
in real life you can play using which ever tactics suits you best so long as you agree it with you opponent. In tourney land it'll be down to the organiser, but expect a rule along the lines of "it should be clear which <chapter/legion/forgeworld tactics> you are using" with what clear means being down to the organiser

>>55349333
We have more 40k players now than ever before. Nearly everyone who quit over 6th and 7th is back.

>>55349307

I don't know, and I've been trying to figure it out because it's bothering the fuck out of me. My group is full of diverse armies and yet I feel like every game is the same, and I'm playing 3 different armies myself. I haven't been able to motivate myself to paint anything in weeks beyond putting a base coat on 2 models.

>>55349315

>vehicles abuse cover
How? There is no cover for vehicles unless they're 100% inside the terrain and 50% obscured.

>little niggers walk though walls
I don't see the problem with this. They're creeping through holes in the wall. If anything, I'm annoyed that walkers can't koolaid man through walls anymore.

>And flyers firing form the back
Abstraction, man. That's not where the flier actually is, that's where the flier is most capable of getting shot at that moment. The plane is doing Strafing runs unless it's in hover mode or something.

>>55349347
Ok thanks, I thought so.

I just did know if the "What you see is what you get" rule also applies to tactics like it does with weapons and armour.

>>55349350
This is my store our. We went from me and a few people playing on Sundays to not having nearly enough table space on Sundays with games happening 2-4 days during the week since 8th dropped.

>>55349001
perkele

>>55349357
It should. I'm a Night Lords player and my dudes are painted with their lightning. Alpha Legion clearly has the better rules because -1 hit is retarded and I could argue that my Night Lords are sneaky, but I'm sticking with my Night Lords because they're my shitty batmans and I love them.

>>55349365
Hyi suomea paskalainen
Häng dig själv

>>55349357
Depends on the players. My group always proxies special weapons.

Hello, does anyone got a copy/a link to the Greyfax audio drama Eye of Night? Only part one is in the megaupload link above.

>>55349344
Hejsan. Jag en bök.

>>55348906
Don't forget all the other queermo stuff. Like Chaplain Sapphon(!)

So with the now that chaos has access to the deredeo, is a rifleman contemptor obsolete?

Also, is a double grav flux or grab flux+butcher cannon array a waste of a leviathan Fred's melee capabilities.

>>55349357
I don't know about everyone elses LGS since I only go to one small locally owned business but almost no one WYSIWYG's or enforces, I want to try to have enough models that I can WYSIWYG in the future and I know one person in the store who tries as well, but with how many weapon options there are it's not unreasonable to say "This guy with a Heavy Bolter is my Missile Launcher dude, because I don't have a Missile Launcher dude yet, building him with my next box." or similar.
For example Noise Champions can now take Sonic Blasters, they couldn't last edition, so none of my Champions currently have them.
My opponents don't make a big deal out of it at my store.

>>55349372
>come back from a long hiatus after playing a long campaign of Shadow War.
>Try to make my old usual list with my Tau
>The drone port my Ethereal used to stand on is now a transport, and he cant share his aura when he is in a transport
What.

What the actual fuck. How the hell is any part of the Tidewall even remotely similar to a transport?

I thought GW were getting better, but now they have removed one of the preciously few non-imperial fortifications. For what purpose.

I just want my drone port as the command post for my Ethereal, fuck GW holy shit. I guess that's my punishment for not just spamming commanders, riptides and Stormsurges.

alright thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate it

>>55349410
Yea my tau friend was like. DuDe ThEy FuCkInG SuCk Dick. And then the tau wall is a fucking transport that they can shoot from but you gotta kill the wall first.

>>55349410
It's the same reason that a Haemunculous gives +1T to raiders, but only if he's standing next to it.

>>55349357
Generally WYSIWYG is only enforced in prized/ranked competitions (it's to weed out faggots who aren't invested in the game) or by someone of debilitating WAACtism. If you're playing a casual game against someone whoo says "Nuh uh it's gotta be wysiwyg" then either refuse to play against them, use an excuse that prevents you from playing against them, or once the match has concluded don't play against them again. They're fucking awful to play against. These players are often speedrollers (soft cheating).

Question about basing and unit modification:

How far can you modify a unit and its base before it's illegal?

I picked up some premade broken concrete slabs for units to stand on, and that got me thinking about this. If I wanted to make them into stairs or rubble for the unit, how high would be too high? Obviously nothing extending far beyond the base borders, but how much taller can the unit legally get?

Also, with unit modifications, how far is too far? For example, de-legging some Necron Warriors and having them crawling out of the sand base (this makes them considerably smaller) or having smoke-mist like effects on bases that "obscure" the model?

Or does this kind of restrictions only apply in prized/ranked play?

>>55349445

Here's my issue with WYSIWYG. If you're not in a competition, why AREN'T you playing WYSIWYG? By that I mean, if it's a friendly game, why not play the model as it is?

>>55349468
If you're in a friendly game, why shouldn't you be able to use bits you like the look of more?

>>55349468
Because sometimes you decide to play 1k points instead of 2k (time constraints or your opponent has started a new army but doesn't have enough models for a big game) so you have to drop shit from your list. If you Sergeant has a PF in your 2k list but having one in the 1k army would put you over, then just drop it.

It's pretty simple shit, anon.

>>55349459

As long as you are willing to accept that modelling something differently won't give you a mechanical advantage (So the crawling ones can be shot just like non-crawling ones) it's fine by me.

Keep a non-modified one on hand to put in place temporarily if judgement calls need to be made.

Infinity did a fun thing there with Silhouette. It basically tells you mechanically the scale of the model (Not just the base) and there are generic Silhouette markers you can put in place for judgement calls.

>>55349320

People getting mad about AM forgeworld colors should chill and realize it had no effect in 7th so people just picked what FW they liked the colors of. I guess the only reliable way to prevent getting shit on is to use a custom paint job (same applies to any army), as sad as it is.

>>55349480
>he doesn't pre-make his lists to both be WYSIWYG and to fit at all the main point levels
There are people who do this?

>>55349476
Then why not use it as it is unless you're going WAAC?

>>55349480
I get that, but you can alternatively use a dude without a PF to be the Sgt from your other 1k points? Dropping a weapon is also easier than saying weapon X is weapon Y, especially for a new player.

>>55349468

Because people don't always have all the models for every unit combination. Especially if they are considering buying a new unit/weapon option but would like to play about with the rules beforehand. Like how it used to be a new and interesting thing when the Razorback got new gun options but the model didn't exist for those weapons yet or how every SOB player has a billion Plasma Pistol Sister Superiors but very few bolt pistol sister superiors.

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>Iron Warriors are chaos undivided
>Want to benefit from Slaanesh stratagem and use Sorcerers

Do I commit the ultimate sin /40kg/?

>>55349493
What if you have an army with a low model count? It's not as simple as "just use something else".

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>NO DUDE YOU CAN'T TRY OUT NEW STUFF UNLESS YOU REMODEL, REPAINT AND REDESIGN YOUR DUDE
>IT'S WYSIWYG MAN YOU JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT AUTISTS

>>55349508
>"My particular band of IW worship Slaanesh because of the enhanced siege potential the God offers."
There. Done.

>>55349508
You cna probably find some justification for them being Slaanesh-focused even through their obsession with practicality and no dawdling. It's in fact, very simple.


They're workaholics.

>>55349520
Huh.

Sometimes it's nice to have the perspective of someone who isn't retarded. Thanks anon.

>>55349468
I don't have all the models I want to use all the time yet.
I'm still building my whole army dude.

>>55349508
>I want my Iron Warriors to be very good at penetrating

There, found your reason.

>>55349508

They've become so autisticaly obsessed they've strayed into Slannesh worship. Many of them are addicted to the drugs they use to dull pain during brutal assaults and they've become so focused on doing fighting 'The right way' they are trying to force their usual tactics into places they don't always apply well.

>>55349508
The first Iron Warriors book had a guy going over to Khorne
Devoteds DO exist within the Undivided Legions. 10k years of drinking the Chaool-aid DOES result in peeps losing themselves in some corner of the pantheon.

>>55349508
IW I feel would be a mostly drug-focused Slaanesh band, the sex stuff wouldn't really fit their trend of basically being living efficiency engines but Drugs could be used to heighten their abilities.

>>55349508
>perfectionist siege artist
>excessive fortress defences
>workaholics who use meth to stay awake and work all night
That wasn't hard, and some other anons beat me to the punch.

>>55349508
For all their effieincy they must need a fuck ton of Coffee, those Iron Warriors. And this particular warband takes that to the limit.

>>55349468
If you are playing a friendly game, why not let your friend play the rules he wants to?

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>>55349322

Why the fuck would anyone still be playing 7th edition?

It was fine when we didn't have anything else, but seriously. 8th edition dropped at just the right time for me. I was ready to give up the game for good.

8th has its problems, but it's a hell of a lot better than 7th.

>>55349459
It's only an illegal conversion if it confers some advantage to the model, usually being smaller to avoid being shot. Your suggestions are fine so long as you have other necrons in the squad to be used for determining LoS and always keep some of the full size necrons alive to continue so. The mist bit is going to be borderline impossible for a new player to pull off and not look terrible.

>>55349468
Not all kilts come with the full amount of weapons you want. For example, the devestator kit only comes with 2 of each heavy weapon and you usually want 4 of the same weapon

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>>55349527
>>55349542
>>55349547
>>55349550
>>55349553
>>55349555
>>55349560
I'm surprised I got so many replies.

I like the idea of them being drug-abusers and always taking sieging to above and beyond whenever possible. Thanks for the help guys.

>>55349516
THE WARHEADS WILL BLOW US TO PEACE!

>>55349578
I thought Space Marines don't feel the effects of drugs/alcohol. Must be some of that crazy stuff bile is cooking up.

>>55348992
Ofc gw are not going to openly come out and say oh yeah this ridiculous grotesque ork warlord is named after a hugely divisive political figure. Why enter the realm of politics, it will only go badly for them.

so, how do you guys think about "recycling" chapter tactics/legion traits/forgeworlds/craftworlds/whatever?

1. It's okay, because it is easier to balance without the requierment to design 13 bazillion different traits and it's not comparable becaues a trait in one army can have a whole different effect than the same trait in another army?

2. it's lazy as fuck and I want individual traits for every "faction"


I for myself are not sure. On one hand I like simple rules like raven guard. On the other hand if I get the 12th codex and nothing of my traits are new and everything is already seen elsewhere it's a little disappointing.

>>55349590
Slaaneshi marines explicitly do.

>>55349592
Or they could have just ignored it like they do with every other fan theory ever

>>55349590
>I thought Space Marines don't feel the effects of drugs/alcohol.
Correct, but mostly with normal human crap.

Now a bunch of Dark Eldar Adrenaline Accelerants or Emperor's Children Speed? Nothing would be able to resist that.

You also got to remember that most marines that worship Slaanesh get their sense enhanced tenfold, for worse or better, so it would make sense they feel the extreme highs of drugs.

>>55349578
I'm Emperor's children and I worship the fuck out of Slaanesh.
So I always am willing to encourage Slaanesh.

>>55349590
They do, they just need special ones that bypass their normal metabolism.

>>55349496
If you're trying something out, cool, but there are people that do it every game with no intention of swapping or whatever. Again, the whole "it's a friendly game" argument works both. If it's a friendly game, why not use the model as you created it unless you're just trying to win at all costs.

As for stuff that doesn't exist, that's totally fine. I play sisters, and I know what it's like saying X has a combi-weapon. Eventually, I'll get a whole bunch of superiors with their bolter extended to properly convert. Until then, I've just decided that I don't need the combi weapons. Eventually, I'll get tired of not having them and actually do something about it.

>>55349509
I'm hearing a lot of "what if" here.

>>55349535
You're still building an army, and that's totally fine. Like I said above, if you want to try something out, then go for it. Just don't be one of those dudes that says his heavy bolter is a lascannon every game because that's just tiresome.

>>55349574
Buy 2 kits then? Now you have enough weapons for two different squads. If you can't afford two kits, you can always supplant them into normal squads, which is totally sweet with split fire being a thing now.

>>55349578

The sensation of feeling nothing is also a sensation and can be very addictive. A drug addiction like a morphine addict/long term pain sufferer would make a lot of sense, they are not taking it to feel but instead to stop the constant pain from having lungs ravaged by the byproducts of constant siege warfare even on an astartes constitution.

As an aside: What IS the chaos bonuses? I'm not a chaos player so I've not looked at the codex.

>>55349619
>>55349619
>I'm hearing a lot of "what if" here.
What if you didn't have autism

>>55349590
Marines do use combat drugs and the SW get drunk, plus its 40k years in the future inside hell, someone had to invent super-meth that worked on astartes at some point.

>>55349567
I know at least 3 guys who refuse to play 8th because it's "a boiled down 7th edition". I already told this stuff multiple times, but here are some stuff they are mad about
>deepstriking can't fail and is always 9"
>no template weapons anymore (one guy was playing bikes+flamers exclusively)
>template weapons like blasts now always hit and can't kill like a whole squad if lucky
>cover rules are bland and you don't need rules for every single piece of terrain anymore
>something about deny the witch rules, idk because I don't play with psykers

Only some of the complains. Last time we played 8th with some others I heard them chattering and saying 8th was bad because of X (whatever happened) and this would go on our whole game.

>>55349629
>blast weapons always hit
Wrong

>>55349622
>What IS the chaos bonuses?
Being able to shoot twice in the shooting phase for 2 cp, as well as being able to take an icon that gives an extra attack on a 5+ during the fight phase.

Characters also get access to a relic that gives them +1 S and +1 A, along with Sorcerers getting a psychic ability that gives a unit 5+ FNP.

It's real fucking neato.

>>55349597
I just can't figure out how GW looked at the rules and said "Yea, -1 Hit and rerolling moral are pretty even."

>>55349629
>>55349634

I think he meant the inverse, blast weapons hit much less now

>>55349634
>>55349639
care to state an example? they're always like "you don't roll the scatter die anymore this is boring as fuck if you can't blast your own stuff lmao"

Was it the IWs or NLs who basically only saw the Chaos Gods as a means to an end instead of direct deities to be revered and worshipped? I can't remember.

>>55349664
Pretty sure it was the IWs who thought that. NLs despise Chaos from what I've read, but you'll always have those outliers.

>>55349664
IW were right aboard the Chaos train as a means to an end, but it took NL a very long time to warm to the idea. Even now they don't like it much.

Incidentaly, AL are "means to an end" as well.

>>55349256
Rock bar was not a gay club. Back then it was not a thing to have gay friendly or a gay bar.
It was a however a bar were gay people could meet

Hence why The Rock is the DA base thingy, all secret and stuff. 40k jokes were rather blant and straight forward.

Even if you think it is false, people will continue because it triggers Dark Angels players to no end.

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Where all the CSM at? I can barely find any regular CSM boxes anywhere. Are they getting reboxes, redone, or what?

>>55349664
Both. Night Lords don't worship chaos, but they'll use it to do shit. There's an example in the new Codex where an imperial ship crossed through a bridge in the great rift, but the bridge closed while they were in transit and they were ambushed by a bunch of night lords, who made a deal with a daemons to make the bridge.

>>55349664
While we're on the topic of Iron warriors, is there any way I could bullshit a justification for wearing the 30k Knight-style helms instead of the modern horned CSM helmets while staying lore friendly? I just feel the former fit them and their aesthetics better.

>>55349637

Damn, those sound pretty damn nice. I'm guessing the relic is a big one for Daemon Princes?

I've been considering picking up Chaos as a second army (Can't just have SOB models forever, I've basically run out of stuff to buy) but I'm a bit hesitant about if people would be ok with the daemon prince I'm considering converting.

The idea is to get a model that ends up the same basic size as a daemon prince through terrain/other stuff on the base and have a much more human looking daemon prince than most. Sorta like a crazy slanneshi youxia/sword saint with the theme of the army being 'Enlightenment'. A mix of those hippies who try to see god through enough drugs and the idea that if you perfect your body, you can become greater than human.

The idea is to kill a dreadnought (One sliced off leg laying on the base, a huge slash through the sarcophagus) with the model standing on top of it so that it's tall enough/the base is big enough to avoid modeling for advantage.

Does that sound reasonable?

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What do you guys think of the new packaging GW is using? I like the new blue style over the old white.

>>55349683
The mold is so old it's getting worn. I bought a new box from a new store a few months ago and the mold lines were terrible. There was even some minor slippage. I'd hope for new boxes except we have Calth and Prospero, so we have plenty.

>>55349691

They are chaos worshippers. They wear what they can get, not what they want. So a lot of them are still wearing old gear they've kept patched up because they can't get new gear.

>>55349695
What do you mean by new packaging? You mean the SC! boxes?

>>55349691
I think with IW you could get away with using pure MK3, or MK3 augmented with Chaos shoulder pads and backpacks if you fancy.

>>55349679
Right, but where's the proof that this bar even existed? That's what everyone wants to know.

>>55349683
Chaoslets confirmed for squatting

>>55349696

So are the ork and cadian models.

I hope they retool the models or update them soon.

>>55348643
I have gotten them to win a combat once in 8th out of about 8 games played.
Of those games they've only gotten the charge in two, one being the one that they won, the other being a total failure.
I still like them and I'm still going to bring them. Their problem isn't not being good enough at their job is that every opponent knows that they'll save themselves a lot of trouble by prioritizing them with first turn charges and shooting while they'll only have their 5 up.
So they serve a purpose all their own as a big scare tactic that draws for I guess.

>>55349715

It likely would have been better design to have the defensive ability always up (Maybe a 4++ to split the difference) and killing a unit gives a hefty but purely offensive bonus.

>>55348660
This is wrong.

>>55349701
>>55349691
Thanks guys, I do feel like out of all the traitor legions the IWs would have the most abundant MK3 armors.

>>55349692
Fuck yeah it does anon, that would be fine.

The relic is a big deal yeah, cause you can take a DP with a pair of malefic talons with the relic.

That gives you a model with 8 attacks, hitting at S8. It rips apart everything. Even better, if the DP is alligned with the Emperor's Children, you can take their warlord traits, which can give you +1A for every wound you lose, up to a maximum of +3A.

11 S5 Attacks that hit on 2's, re-rolling.

>>55349708
It still exist anon. The name is "Rock City"

>>55349696
I don't mind new CSM, I'd just like to get a box or two to top off the units I already have, so I don't have half a unit in one style and the other half in a different style.

>>55349757
But nottinghamfag already told us that it's a music venue that has nothing to do with gays? Also if it actually was a reference to a gay meetup bar why is it called "the Rock" and not "Rock City"?

>>55349712
To be fair everyone needs new models but marines.

Yeah so I'm really not confident in my own opinions and I'm seeking someone else's. Can anyone give me their own rundown of Dark Eldar this edition? Good things, bad things, what kind of builds they think are good?

>>55349426
The wall has its use, but it is no where near what it used to be.

This would have been like if Ethereals went from support characters to tanky assault monsters with no supporting abilities. It might not necesareily be a bad change, but it completely changed the purpose of the model.

If they wanted to give Tau open topped transports, then fucking do that. Don't change a fortification meant to be a moveable aegis defense wall into a fucking transport. That is actually the most retarded design change I have seen in a very long time.

>>55349761
That's what I do, sorta. I use the actual CSM as pistol/CCW Marines because my HH Marines don't have the arms for it. I might end up using them as Berserkers because they're different enough to the rest of my army, but meh.

>>55349769
>Lionel Johnson
>Lion El'Jonson
>Rock City
>The Rock

There was a fucking Obi one back then. Random words and apostrophe to change stuff was not that uncommon. For fuck sake Orcs are Orks

>>55349779

Deldar are solid. Being able to shoot out of raiders is huge, even though its technically nothing new. Hellions are also surprisingly good when you DS a bunch of them down in front of something. Each doing D2 is no joke either.

>>55349699
Yeah.

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>>55349754

That sounds pretty fucking terrifying. Right now I'm still looking through options for the daemon prince themself.

The nice thing about it being a daemon prince is that I don't need to keep it in-scale with 40k models normally. Even if they are still human-ish, they still could be standing heads and shoulders above marines.

Pondering maybe Misaki from Malifaux, with the water she has kicking up being warpstuff instead with a recolouring.

What units do Emperor's Children like to run?

>>55348725
I'd like to see them get some new vehicles, akin to Death Guard. Nothing too fancy, but a like TSons Predator variant would be nice, and maybe some new weapon options for their units, like a Warp Lascannon style thing or something.

Not sure about legion-wide rules, but more psychic powers to be sure.

>>55349796
Lion El'Jonson and Lionel Johnson is more or less common sense. Orks and orcs is just swapping around similar sounding consonants. But the entire word "city" is removed and it's just ominously called "The Rock". This one genuinely sounds like a stretch, especially considering that the original rumor explicitly said that it was a gay bar called The Rock so....

>>55349796
As far as I know Rock city has never been tied to a general gay audience and there are currently other places (Propaganda, NG1) and there were before, but not rock city.

>t. Another Nottingham anon

>>55349790
is there anything that actually physically differentiates bezerkers from other marines beyond load out? They're not all world eaters so presumably they don't all have flopsy bunny ears

>>55349771
Yeah, but at the same time you look at the new death guard kits... and you think "I want new models but not those kinds of new models", you know?

I mean jesus christ just look what they did to Typhus! And £35 for three terminators, it's Ork mek guns all over again!

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>>55349757
Looked it up out of curiosity. There's literally no mentions that it was a gay bar in the club's history, and even if people were funny about it a few decades ago there's no reason that information would be kept off a wikipedia page in this day and age.

>>55349810
>>55349814
I recall back in the day it was just a meeting place not a dedicated gay bar.

Even then we should all remember the important part here. Dark Angels are gay.

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>/40kg/
>anons spend literally the entire night trying to prove their little plastic dollies are definitely not gay!

>>55349796
>For fuck sake Orcs are Orks

HOLY SHIT IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

>>55349779
Everything that was bad or mediocre got buffed and made cheaper.
Anything that was good got nerfed.

Cabal units are all really strong.
Incubi and mandrakes are really strong.
Wytches are better but still mediocre, Succubus is a powerhouse but bikes are way too expensive now.
Haemonculi units are bad/mediocre but wracks are good.

>>55349843
>took on Drum and Bass in 2003 instead of the early 90s
They missed a big one. DnB in 2003 was when the genre turned to shit thanks to the likes of Pendulum and Chase and Status turning into not!dance

>>55349803
Warpstuff could work or, alternatively, kicking up some blood from the remains of the Dreadnought Sarcophagus. Other than that, Misaki would be an awesome model for it, as long as she has some kind of armour or daemonic-clothing shit to accompany it.

>What units do Emperor's Children like to run?
Noise Marines mostly. They are normal marines that you can field as troops. They get the options to take Sonic Blasters base, which are Assault 3 boltguns that ignore cover, and have the added bonus of being able to fire their gun when they die, regardless of whether they are in close combat or not.

So you send out a squad of 10, firing off their dubstep guns and shit, and as they die, each one gets to shoot their gun one more time, or, throw a krak grenade.

Each one gets to do that, which is a big deal. Being able to throw out a krak grenade every time one dies is crazy good, and can destroy most things in the game.

Other than them, you can use a Sonic Dreadnought (Helbrute profile with access to two blastmasters, essentially sonic blasters but lascannons). If you want to stray away from those, try to focus on excessive amounts of firepower or melee squads that can destroy in close combat by aways fighting first (also known as Noise Marines with Chainswords instead of Sonic Blasters).

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>>55348636
Here you go.

Also...

>no top 5 squids in OP

>>55349853
>I recall back in the day it was just a meeting place not a dedicated gay bar
That's what gay bars were back then. They'd bring booze and a DJ and play music, but in the UK open gay bars were always smashed up or burnt down until the very late 80s/early 90s

>>55349879
Mate, DnB died with jungle

>>55349871
>Incubi and mandrakes are really strong
>Anything that was good got nerfed.
Then they missed with their nerfbat.

Incubi used to devastate anything they touched.

I used to run a 10 man unit which generally kept way out of the fight until late game. Anytime anyone tried to DS in to get them, or even try to tarpit them, they got turborekted.

They did get worse, in the sense that they no longer fight first against almost anything. Loss of initiative hurt them, as they now need the charge, unlike previously where they were fine with getting charged by 90% of the things in the game.

>>55349843
do you really try to reason with a hurr-durr-dark-angels-are-gay-amirite-xD-anon?

>>55349894
Blight-Haulers are cute. CUUUUUUUTE

>>55349894
>Googled 'myphitic' out of curiosity
>That's not even how it spelt, they couldn't resist sticking a Y in there

>>55349896
>dnb
>died with jungle
Explain

>>55349902
But they are totally gay.
Wait are we having a return of the Chinese closet homo Dark Angel player?

>>55349030
You're right.

This was FAQd.

All dudes are assumed to have S user, ap 0 d1 weapons.

>>55349894
I didn't realize the bile spurt was also part of the weapons. I thought it was another option instead of the missile launcher or multimelta.

They're better than I thought.

>>55349916
Everything after the explosion of jungle died down is shit. DnB post ~1997 is absolute shit

>>55349853
I agree, the rock might not be a reference to any gay place. The poem from Lionel johnson might be about his inner fight with alcoholemia. But DA and their hot plasma loads will always be gay

>>55349803
Noise marines, havoks, obliterators, daemon princes, terminators, lords and sorcerers.

They have the stratigem to shoot twice.
You get a terminator squad with 5 combi-plasmas, drop them down "9 away, sorcerers casts +1 to hit while the lord provides rerolls of 1, have the sorcerer then remove a chosen units invulnerable save, use the stratagem to give you +1 to wound, blow away any unit of choice before using the stratagem to do it again.
Land raiders, knights, greater daemons, primarchs, they all just melt.

>>55349000
>implying I go to any of the clubs

Wheatsheaves or bust

>>55349933
FAQ'd why? It's literally stated in the rulebook everyone has a CCW