Warhammer 40000 general /40kg/

>>55331688
What are some good books focussed on the Dark Eldar? I heard 'Incubi' or something like that is a good read?

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>mfw my cutedar love I started is spreading

FIRST FOR CUTEDAR

>>55331702
Look for path of the archon

>>55331703
It's less toxic than the other shitposting

>>55331703
Too slow my bretheren
>>55331702
FOR THE DARK KIN

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>>55331703
>>55331702
NOOOO FUCK SAKE WHY DOES IT STICK ON 100% FOR SEVERAL SECONDS AND NOT POST. THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS.

>>55331702
Pretty sure The Faultless Blade has DE as antags?

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>>55331712
>toxic
>>55331703
>>55331688
>cutedar
Well, that is some combined cancer.

>>55331712
You're a star, cheers dude

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>>55331722
No bully, please.

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New Deathwatch codex when? Primaris flyer when?

I want Primaris Deathwatch (pic-related, not my model), and the Repulsor is too slow.

>>55331728
This thread needs all the bullying it can get. Fucking Imperiumfags and their waifu bullshit.

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Has there been leeks?

>>55331688
How much would primarines improve if they had access to special and heavy weaponry like normal tacticals, along normal assault squads and devastators?

And also drop pods

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>>55331752
NO. BULLY.

>>55331753
Trick question, both are both?

>>55331756
Because they will, eventually.

Dark Angels update will have generic Primaris Bikes.
Blood Angels will have generic Primaris Assault squads
Space Wolves will have generic Primaris Drop Pod.

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>>55331760
>[bullying intensifies]

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>>55331772
40kg is a SAFE PLACE.

>>55331767
Yeah, but how much will this increase their usefulness?

A lot? Barely? None?

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>>55331784
Maybe once Mon'keigh filth is eradicated.

>>55331790
We'll see. Who knows. By 9th I suspect Marines will be replaced. Let's see how good the Bikes, Assault and Drop Pods are. Plus whatever APC we get. The Repulsor isn't going to do that? What's the Rhino of Primaris going to be? Land Raider? Repulsor to me is Predator with some transport, I think.

I want the Overlord, 40 Primaris Troop capacity, larger than a Thunderhawk.

>>55331688
>Konor Campaign, chaos players gave up
>Imperium have control on the three regions
>2 clearly conquered and one barely on their hands
>Chaos somehow is shown as having half the planet
I hear the rigging close

In the Grey Knights codex there is a page where a full breakdown of each Brotherhood is listed, so number of squads etc. How many men are there on average in an Interceptor/Strike squad?

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>>55331830
>I want the Overlord, 40 Primaris Troop capacity, larger than a Thunderhawk.

Dude... what? 40? Source?

>>55331865
There's no way. That's too ridiculous, even for GW

Hey tell me how deluded I am

> Chaos gets Fabulous Bill brand of primarines, but as they're more scarce than normal primarines they get used as small units in a larger normarines force and not as a "discard normals get primarines" replacement

>>55331898
Would be pretty cool. I could see it happening.

>>55331865
>>55331892
That is what FW is for. Dont think they wont make primaris only goodies

>>55331898
Won't happen since GW won't shit over his new legion specific units, so enjoy your cult units

>>55331911
True, but something like that is your whole list. One transport and 40 footslogging Cawl-cucks

>>55331927
Yeah and the Manta and Orca exist

>>55331956
Yeah, but those can carry tanks and battlesuits. If the rumored Primaris flyer can take vehicles along with the marines, then it might be something.

>>55331865
>>55331892
>>55331911
>>55331927
Dark Imperium. Read it. The book says the Overlord can carry 40 people.

>>55331846
Anyone? I know that Purgation and Terminator squads are usually numbered at 5 but I've seen Strikes and Interceptors fielded in groups of 10.

>>55332005
I mean the sokar pattern stormbird carries 50 people... the overlord can take 40 primaris marines which given how fuckhuge the sokar is i can only imagine how big the overlord is.

>>55332005
You absolute fucking mongoloid. Dark Imperium could say that Guilliman has a 16 inch horsecock; it wouldn't matter though because the models rarely reflect the fluff accurately.

>>55331865
>>55331892
>>55331911
>>55331915
>>55331927
>>55331956
>The Overlord shook. Its armour was massively thick, and its engines prodigiously powerful. The new craft made Thunderhawks look like toys. As with so much the primarch had commissioned, the Overlord hearkened back to older designs of insertion craft, improved by the boundless creativity of Belisarius Cawl. But its technological power could not shelter its occupants completely from threats either mundane or arcane.
>The craft responded immediately, banking sideways and down. The thunder of anti-aircraft fire intensified, becoming a constant rumble. Felix looked over his warriors again. There were forty of them in the craft, and a further eighty in two accompanying Overlords. The ships were similar to the Corvus Blackstars used by the Inquisition and the Deathwatch. Like the Blackstars, the Overlords possessed twin transport bays with their own assault doors, but they were bigger and even more blessed with advanced technologies. Anti-munitions cannons added a rolling burr to the noise from outside, slinging hypervelocity steel balls at incoming shells and missiles. Those enemy rounds that got through exploded on shimmering energy shields, whose hiccupping buzz as they recharged joined the furious chorus of the embattled ship’s systems.

>There were forty of them in the craft

>>55332005
And stop repeating faggoty BOLS rumors

>>55332036
See >>55332034 retard.

>>55332028
>t-that doesn't c-c-count!!!!!
Guess they don't have Bolt Rifles either cause Dark Imperium says they do LMAO.

>>55332028
Really? When the Stormbird can carry 50, 40 is suddenly out of the fucking question for you?

>>55332045
Are you an actual autist? Touched by the tism?

>>55332045
No you fucking idiot, until the model in the game has rules for it then no the overlord probly won't carry 40.

>>55332058
>gets angry at things: Check
>has no social graces: Check
>provides no proof for his arguments only opinions: Check
>insults people for no reason: Check
>screeches when people provide evidence for their position: Check

Anon, you might want to google autism symptoms.

>>55332062
>Stormbird was written in fluff to carry that many before rules
>HUR DUR THIS TIME IT WON'T

Oh great, 40kg shitposters are flooding already? See you later guys.

>>55332053
The Stormbird can carry 50 regular marines, Primaris marines take the space of 2 regular marines so a 60% increase in capacity should be roughly similar increase in size.... think about how big the Stormbird is.

>>55332076
I am aware, but this is all irrelevant. I never stated there would be a model, only that the Overlord carries 40. I said I wanted it, not that there would be one. In fact, stating I wanted it suggests I never expected a model. As for your size point, the book says the Thunderhawk is tiny next to it.

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Gentlemen the last world in the konor system is Imperial to the surprise of nobody

>guy says he wants a model
>WAAAH PROOF
>okay, he is proof
>WAAH BL DOESN'T COUNT REEEEEEEEEEE!
>okay, but that's irrelevant because [examples]
>STOP USING EVIDENCE REEEEEEE! INSULT INSULT INSULT

LMAO @ you faggots.

>>55332094
To be fair, Cadia was just BTFO. We can afford to lose a few battles

>>55332090
Sir you and I are in agreement, I want the model and hope that one day they will make it so i can take a force of Primaris marines and have them make planet fall in a game of Warhammer. My point to size was simply to point out how big the model would be if they made it... which i hope to god they do.

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>>55332097

Going back to tau FW fliers
Suits may be all the rage but the fliers aren't bad. Cuda and shark
Shark Fighter can shit out 16 str 6 ap1 d1, 2d6 str 6 ap2 d2, 4 str 7 ap1 dd3, 8 str 5 d1
Not bad for 21 power. Can swap the 16 str 6 for 4 heavy rail rifle shots

>>55332124
Switched armies recently, so I haven't played any 8th yet since I'm still painting. Are people tending towards PL over points?

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>>55331688
We did it! thank you Xenos and comrades in arms! the arch enemy defeated and konnor saved from chaos grasp!

>>55332132
Dunno. Varies by group
But given PL is right on the datasheet it does have a degree of convenience

>>55332132
By far the old way (points) is the most popular.

>>55332142
good ol GW trying to force it on us

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>>55332140
>Man with codex fights man without codex; wins

Anyone else reading the after-action report on Loebos? It seems like it was going to be an all-or-nothing in the last week. Had Chaos won (or possibly even won just the engines, the NA section) the entire Konor sector would have been destroyed regardless of previous weeks' results.

>>55332188
Here come the excuses
Not even with GW rigging the last two planets could chaoscucks persevere
All chaoscucks are hereby banished from /40kg/

>>55332190
yep it seems that way

I hate that when I see someone say something wrong half a dozen threads ago I have to resist the urge to respond in the current thread, even though they're long since gone.

I think I've been spending too much time here.

>>55332196
I hate chaos as much as the next guy, but I don't think week 4 was rigged. Week 5 was rigged absolutely, but 4 was kind of a landslide for Chaos

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>>55332188
>The salt is starting to flow
Best way to start this week

>>55332206
I know that feel

>>55332196
>Not even with GW the entire game could they stop Chaos winning two.

>death guard still not leaked

why why why why why

>>55332209
Yeah, that one was fair and square but they fuck up by calling Xenos players NPC after they aid to beat back the Imperial efforts so they went back into shitting all over chaos again.

>All this talk about the Overlord
Man, I just want an Orca. I've always dreamt about doing an xcom/shadow wars type campaign with my dudez and their bird

>>55332224
have we got any got photos of the multipart plague marines yet?

>>55332224
This. Come on, there's got to be someone with the codex

>>55332188
>>55332196
>>55332213
When Chaos loses, the /tg/ tears will sustain me for weeks, maybe even months. I shall descend upon this board like a wolf upon a lamb, and bask in the unending impotent rage that this board will pump out. I will gaze upon the suicide threads and rage posts, and drink deep of their whining. When they actually start livestreaming their own suicides and self-mutilation, I'll know true ecstasy. I don’t think my penis will ever be harder than it will be when a million chaostards cry out in itty bitty chaos boi penis fury simultaneously. They'll try to convince themselves it was a rigged campaign. They'll try to convince themselves that GW had pulled a fast one on them. We will riot! They will say. Boycott! Death to the false emperor! they will cry. Time will pass, and they will do nothing because they only talk. They are too cowardly and weak to do anything. But best of all, none of their bitching will balm the pain of knowing that their faction, their armies, will go down in history as an embarrassment, as an amusing footnote at best, as the loud obnoxious assholes who lost to the IMPERIUM. The entire 40k community KNOWS that the Imperium is filled with literal children, that it's practically on average underage, intimidated Xenosfags into silence, and its victory will surely be mired in constant scandals and ethical breaches. But all this only drives home just how little the 40k community think of Chaos. After all their bullshit, their cheats, their lies, they STILL see the Imperium as being superior to Chaos. When the denizens of /tg/ come to this realization, they shall know true, soul-crushing, all-encompassing despair. Exquisite shall be their pain. I will look into their eyes and watch their spirit break, and won't reach my climax a moment sooner.
I need to fap.

>>55332241
There used to be a Orca model made by FW... must have stopped making it but no idea why

>>55332256
Yeah, they stopped making it a good while ago. Dont think it had many sales, I'd go to the chinaman but I have enough respiratory issues without the resin

>>55332232
>but they fuck up by calling Xenos players NPC
This is the most retarded meme ever. It implies that
>the population of /40kg/ matters at all on a global scale
>imperials weren't also calling xenos NPCs
>xenos players are all immature little kids who get booty bothered by banter
You're just manufacturing a narrative that supports your biased.

>>55332248
So... Slaanesh much ?

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Are Vindicare Assassins worthwhile in 8th? I have one laying around but haven't used it yet.

I'm assuming they still pick out whatever models you want and annoy the piss out of people.

>>55332289
Three of them in any list will do wonders.

>>55332273
>T.ADB
ADB please, you're literally the reason why people hate CSM players, every faction loses one time or another but your lol Chaos win forever and ever since the beginning pissed off a lot of people.

>>55332224

Are you fucking kidding me? There are several reviews of the whole codex on youtube covering all the new units, psychic powers amd stratagems ypu flaming fucking idiots

>>55332300
What if I just want one? I don't like spamming

>>55332289
One by itself is going to struggle to drop a hard target. They're not bad for popping handy support troops though.

>>55332316
I would have used them on commissars and other such characters

>>55332140
Np bruh. Chaosfags are cunts.

>>55332308
yes, 1hr+ video is definitely the best format for a codex, don't know why games workshop are even bothering to put them in a book

all the fun and cool banter of mini wank gaming without the issues of being able to look at the page you want~!

>>55332316
I play against lots of Marine and Guard, so I imagine sticking to special weapons, medics/Apothecaries, commissars, sergeants, and the usual jazz is the best way to go?

I've always been wary of just trying to pick on high profile models with stuff like that.

how many points is a plague surgeon? before the 6pts balesword

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Im going nuts with my AoP board this year

Multiple levels

lights

sound chips

Somebody stop me

>>55332359
Good blog

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>>55332359
stop

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painting my dg in legion colours,
what colours would go well for human flesh?

>>55332385
Cut off tiny parts of your flesh from your arm and glue it on your models
voila

>>55332385
Rakarth, 50/50 violet wash, relayer rakarth avoiding the recesses and highlight with flayed one or pallid wych flesh.

>>55332308
Yeah, they are great for an overview, but I dont trust them to get all that shit accurate. Still not clear if blight lords can all take flails, or what heavy blight launchers do

>>55332224
>>55332246
> all these entitled impatient poor fags

Lmao just wait a week and buy it your selves you lazy manchildren

>>55332435
dankeschön

>>55332337
76 with sword

>>55332454
Bitte, take pictures, original legion DG, best DG.

>>55332309
Then you better get some loaded dice.

>>55332248
Ya, Chaos cheated first right hmmmm.

Week 3 there bub.

What are you working on anons?

>>55332508
the will to go on

>>55332289
Want to ruin any chances of people playing with you? Play a low point battle using 5 Vindicares, Cypher, and some Raven Guard. Pure cancer.

>>55332508
>tfw you want to share pictures of your models but you're worried about sharing too much about your location

>>55332557
???

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>>55332508
Had the assorted Daemon Weapon substitutes arrive in the mail today for my Relictors, this is going to be my Biker Lord with Murder Sword. The sword arm is just a temp one for me to see how it looks, I'll cut the sword and hand off and attach it to a proper Marine arm before I get to painting. Want to try get the whole force painted on the weekend for a tournament the weekend after.

Thousand Sons anti Tank, how Does it work? Outside of Predators there is Nothing right?

>>55332578
Magnus

>>55332557
Delete EXIF data, get a lightbox. There you go.

Brother Captain Stern's old model looks like shit. Tempted to scratchbuild my own. Should I do it?

>>55332578
The Terminators can take krak missiles

And all those mortal wounds can kill anything

>>55332557
>When you're too autistic you actually think people give a shit about your location.

Or maybe it's just you projecting your own intention of stalking other people.

>>55332190
Yup, that's what they told us when Loebos started.

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>>55332615

So Konor will go down as one of the biggest, shoddily thought up blunders GW has ever done, right?

>6 and a half week long campaign
>Focus on Imperium vs. Chaos
>Release a handful of new units for Imperium players plus 2 codexes, one being a sub faction codex.
>Chaos get their codex over half way through campaign.
>Model and rules for the Master of said campaign and his army released the weekend after the campaign ends.
>The planet Loebos and every continent on it Chaos controlled.
>Imperium wins because.....

GW's just wanted an excuse to get people in shop for the summer and write a new novel.
As people said, I hope someone gets fired for this joke of a waste of time.

I'm Chaos, Im salty, and i have a right to be. Enjoy my tears Imperium players cause Chaos will be getting something big to make up for this, mark my words.......

>>55332627

You're acting as if this wasn't going to be an Imperium victory from the very start.

>>55332627
>The planet Loebos and every continent on it Chaos controlled.

WHAT?

>>55332627
See >>55332248

>>55332627
>The planet Loebos and every continent on it Chaos controlled.
Okay, that's the line that made you a liar.

>>55332627
This guy gets it, and the biggest tell that the campaign was nonsense is that they released true scale marines right before the campaign began and gave points for painting. Even if DG got some tight as fuck models too, just go on ebay to find out which half of dark imperium box players keep more often.

>>55332655
>>55332643

A good point here. People all saw different results...

I have heard some people say that in the past weeks that certain regions were controlled by Blah when they were, actually, under Bluh control.

Was GW's shitty tracking system actual not shit at all but used so they could decide who they wanted to win?

>>55332508
Running out of willpower to finish my chaos army because I've been unable to orginise a game for weeks.

Dreaming about going back to guard for a bit but I'm terrified they're going to get rid of shotgun veterans and the new faction system is confusing.
Why are commissars a different faction than guardsmen?
Why are psykers and adhumans their own faction now?

>>55332508
My deathwing list before I go and buy more models, anyone here run deathwing at all?

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Look at all this negativity. Lets fix that. What do you advise GW to do in their next global campaign to make it better?

>>55332692

Don't put it in perspective of "Imperium vs. X faction".
Something that would divide the community more.

>>55332692
>What do you advise GW to do in their next global campaign

Not fix the results would be a nice start.

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>>55332508
Trying to figure out what army I want to stick with.

I haven't been able to find an army that just 'clicks' like everyone else seems to have.

There's a few armies I like the look/lore of, but the rules are so bad it puts me off. Then there's armies that look like they could be fun to play, their models are so bad that they also put me off.

>>55332508
Slow af newbie here, still painting the Dark Imperium DG. Then again, maybe by the time I finishe the new units will have been released.

>>55332692
Various simultaneous battle grounds with specific faction interests.
The Imperium is a juggernaut so pitting it against Chaos alone is unfair even with xenos free radicals.

If there was something like an Imperium vs Chaos, Imperium vs Orks and Imperium vs Tau battleground it would help diffuse Imperial power.
So determine the most popular factions, and give them multiple battle grounds.

>>55332692
Don't have one.

>>55332692
Hey anons, what do you think about this
>Orks vs Nids global campaign near Octarius
>6 planets to fight over
>Ork wins get Orks points, Nid wins get them points
>Everyone else can just remove points from one faction.

>>55332777
cripplefights are illegal, anon

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Two short stories featuring Necrons.....is this building towards something?

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>>55332692
Bit of a wall of text incoming

One, have a good reason for every faction to be involved, and not just on a "lets screw over the Imperium/Chaos just because" level. Now to be fair realistically I know in practice it can be hard to write up scenarios that give everyone a good amount of screen time without being contrived, but I know they can do better. Even if they do have two main factions, let the sub factions have their own goals.

Secondly and building on that, have the theatres of war style set up like they did with the Eye of Terror. Let the global player communities organize how they want to act as factions, like how the Orks and Tyranids really hammered their EoT targets instead of diluting their efforts.

Thirdly, give it a more moderate scope but actual goals. The problem with things like Konor or EoT or whatever is that GW has to step in and fudge things one way or the other, because if they stuck strictly to the results one way or the other it would hurt the setting they want. If Chaos got steamrolled it would make them look weak after they've been narratively positioned as such a threat, if Chaos destroyed Konor it would make their new poster boys and diminish that side of things instead. So we all knew from the start that the result would be "close but Imperium wins".

Lets say just as an example (not a good one, because I can't think of why some factions would care, but work with me) the new campaign is about a lost Titan factory on a long forgotten planet. For whatever reason word of this rediscovered planet reaches all the major factions at the same time and they all send forces to claim it; whoever wins the campaign is going to get a boost in story terms but not one that upends the current scenario. Hell, go a step further; the winning faction(s) get a new Lord of War titan style model for their army as a reward! Something smaller scale narratively with an actual payoff in real life would be great.

>>55332726
Really? I don't think any actual army(i.e. not Inquisition only) is unplayably bad in 8th.

>>55332816
One more thing; I liked Konor. I had fun playing the scenarios, reading the fluff and having an excuse to buy/paint some new models and play some new people. And honestly, thats not such a bad reason to have a campaign. I would love GW to do better in the next one (and I do hope theres another one soon) and I think there are a lot of things that could be improved, but I also think that people, especially here, take it too seriously at times.

>>55332818
Unplayable? No. Unfun/weak? Yes.

Dear god Mortarion is tough. Just worked out that the only way I can really kill him is to fire nearly two thousand points of big guns, and although I very nearly have all of those models that's kinda insane. He takes 18.11 wounds from Cawl, ten Rangers with four Arquebi, two Dakkastelans, two Neutronagers, six Gravstroyers and a Marauder Destroyer on top, and most of those units are in the "delete three targets a game" range if I use them right and actually have enough midrange things to kill.

Four times Morty's points in Dunecrawlers would do about the same damage, funnily enough.

>>55332857
Who?

>>55332862
When facing marines of any kind, unless they bring a Primarch I know I'm going to win. That make game super boring.

>>55332832
I agree here, I think Gee Dubs did a great job tying the campaign into painting, building and the like. Similarly theming weeks behind each slot (psykers aside) got people motivated.

More broadly I think you need to make any campaign less tied to indivisible factions, make it a breakaway imperial system on the far edge of the great rear, some players will want to purge, some will want to bring them back into compliance. Open it all up, make objectives matter, rather than what the faction is.

>>55332190
I'm fine with each world being of uneven importance. As it is Konor is mostly okay when it comes to infrastructure, though it's lost its best source of pilot training, some mineral wealth and its astropathic relay is now a daemon spewing rent in reality. The latter is a huge deal, so the system is still kinda fucked, but it's still potentially salvageable.

I'd have liked them to go further, and have each region on each planet contribute to the outcome/fluff in some way. Have some regions be more important than others (just cycle which real world region gets the most important one each week) and write up something cool sounding based on who won what. I really wish they'd done this with Drenthal, where Chaos won 2/3 regions but the Imperium just won for overall planetary victories, and written up something where Chaos scored a real pyrrhic victory.

>>55332873
You're either full of shit or your local marine players are garbage.

>>55332359
Speaking of AoP, planning on doingit myself this year.
Just stuck on the display board, my army has clear bases so no idea what to actually do about that. Just do it normally and paint details under where the bases sit?

>>55332256
>>55332272
They're also still 700 burger bucks as a recast

>>55332692
Be 100% clear up front how the results are going to work. Even if it's "we'll look at the results and then spin some cool fluff that fits", let people know ahead of time, otherwise you end up with people saying that it's rigged. At that point it doesn't matter if it was or not, people lose faith in the entire campaign and stop bothering.

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>>55332861
Take an ally, m8.

>>55332888
I'd be happy if GW didn't threw a tantrum again when they notice how small the UK is regarding their player base.
It was fucking hillerious to see them remove RoW from accessing the scoring when a random store in Brazil out did the UK in a single day.

>>55332915
Honestly even as a U.K. player it's hilarious. You look at the amount of tournaments and conventions in the US with jealousy, it's just shit over here sometimes.

>>55332805

I dunno they don't really seem to be going anywhere with Necrons currently. Even their long set up involvement in Cadia was completely brushed aside.

Shame, I could do with the creative staff being invested enough in them go make a Silent King model or a real Transcendent C'tan Lord of War.

>>55332915
>a random store in Brazil out did the UK in a single day.

If that was true, then it was probably cheating.

>>55332908
>Be 100% clear up front how the results are going to work. Even if it's "we'll look at the results and then spin some cool fluff that fits", let people know ahead of time, otherwise you end up with people saying that it's rigged. At that point it doesn't matter if it was or not, people lose faith in the entire campaign and stop bothering.

Agreed; I got no problem with them saying its just going to be some fluff broadly based on the results and nothing more, just don't hype it up to be something its not.

>>55332895
Every marine player is shit. I haven't seen a good marine player world wide since 5th.

>>55332923

>Wanting tournaments

The only jealousy I have for the US is the fact that they apparently have local wargaming stores that aren't a GW.

>>55332927
80 games in a day is hardly cheating when you can have 100 players playing at the same time.

The elite with money in third world countries more than enough to have a large 40k player base.

>>55332944
>not wanting to take part in something like NOVA narrative campaigns

>>55331749
Is this a meme?

>>55332956
Yes

>>55332956
>>55332961
How is wanting a flyer for Primaris a meme? like they made the Stormraven and every other vehicle unable to transport them being able to drop in primaris with a flyer would be very fucking nice.

>>55332954

>Trusting any form of organised tournament to not be a WAACfag cesspool

>>55332972
You can search the same image and text in different threads before this one.

It is a forced meme.

>>55332972
Just get a Thunderhawk lol

>>55332980
Depends on the group and the way its done, locally one of the biggest events is a charity tournament thats casual as fuck in terms of army builds. Its always been billed as a charity event for fun and pretty much everyone approachs it that way.

In fluff, how are Grey Knights squads organized? Do they usually come in squads of 5 or squads of 10?

>>55333005
Thunderhawks can only transport 15 Primaris Marines =\

Gee dubs give me my Overlord when?

>>55332972
It's pretty obvious they're intending to 'balance' Primaris by leaving them a lot less tactically flexible than classic marines. Don't be surprised if flying transports stays out of their reach along with 2+ saves

>>55333032
"30 AP-1 basic gun is disgustingly good.
It dicks over good saves and auto kills 6+

>>55332816
>>55332832
It's hard to write a scenario in which every faction gives a shit and everyone has a reason to fight everyone. Why do Tyranids, Eldar (all types) and Necrons give a shit about a titan factory, besides denying it?

Given the huge number of Imperium armies out there I think the best framing would be Imperium vs everyone else. A crusade is launched into a lost sector to reclaim it, with other factions having a vested interest in stopping them and accomplishing other goals. I'd also count victories for every faction individually except the Imperium, who I'd count the losses for. That way you can track how well each faction is managing to accomplish their goals while the Imperial crusade grinds inexorably onwards, with the number of Imperium defeats determining how costly their gains are and, in the long run, when the crusade falters.

Then you take those results and spin some cool fluff out of it, with other factions able to experience success despite the overwhelming presence of Imperium players.

I own no models but I'm currently at the point where Horus is in the gene lab in False Gods.

Fucking love these books but ever since the Whisperheads I get terrible nightmares of demons and things. It's delicious.

>Though last night I dreamt about Lauren Southern having fish and worms in her vagina which wasn't fun. Fucking warp-twisted night terrors.

>>55333020
There's a bit in dark Adeptus where they mention the ideal squad is a full 10 warriors, but that 7-8 is pretty manageable and what they usually work with. They add 5 can work, but it's not the most preferable option

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>>55333063
Uuuuh, what?

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>Opponent leaves dropped dice if it's a success
>Picks them up if it fails

At what point do we just fire up the gas chambers again?

>>55333066
So in the GK chapter organization page in the codex, when it says X number of Y squad, how many men exactly are there per squad? Is it set or is it depending on how many men they have on hand?

>>55333026
I want other Primaris vehicles first, honestly, like Primaris Predator with options for like a twin Macro Plasma Incinerator or twin Onslaught gatling in the turret and sponsons that are like twin or plasma incinerators or something or onslaught gatling sponsons.

Or the Primaris equivalent of lascannons, I dunno,

>>55333062
As a bonus, Imperium purchases and painted units can reduce the number of Imperium losses, both fitting thematically (reinforcements) and serving the true goal of any global campaign: getting people to buy more space marines.

>>55333077
>opponent re-rolls dice that land in a trench because they're cocked
>keeps successes
Dice boxes are almost mandatory

>>55332944
We do have them, but quality varies greatly. My biggest problem with GW in the US is that they refuse to properly support their stores. The one near me gets screwed over in shipments, is in a HORRIBLE location (Pretty much in the slums because GW doesn't want to pay higher rent. Think random drug addicts walking in every so often.)

It's only one person working on the staff, too.

>>55333032
Bolter spam used to be a thing back in the day and with there's being no upper limit on wounding the new primaris guns seem like they could be very nice with the proper fire support. Asfor their lack of 2+ my understanding is that eventually all marines will be primaris terminators being no exception.

>>55333084
Good question. I'd assume 10, but it could just be a Squad and how many they have depends on who's still alive

>>55333110
Most UK stores are one person shops too. Big cities tend to have a store with more staff (Edinburgh, Tottenham Court Road in London, etc), but the vast majority are solo operations with a regional temp staffer to cover sick days/holidays/etc.

>>55333095
I'm an honorable fuckboi. If a slight table jolt won't fix it, and won't fuck up the models on the table, I reroll good or bad.

>>55333077
Successful floor dice are allowed for people who are getting trashed and need a consolation prize.

>>55333063
Sounds like a nice dream. Preferably carnivorous and/or parasitic worms. Schadenfreude makes me feel warm and tingly inside.

>>55332508
Sitting on boxes of Rubrics, waiting to see if I should be changing to MSU now that ROTOR CANNONS are 1p5.

>>55332680
The way the new faction system works is that if you want to use two units in the same army they must share the same faction keyword. All the units that you listed have the ASTRA MILITARUM facion keyword, (and the IMPERIUM keyword of course) so you can use them in one army.

They do belong to different subfactions, commisars belong to the commisariat and not to a specific regiment, this is because if they had a regiment keyword you could give your commisars orders with platoon commanders

>>55333026
>Thunderhawks can only transport 15 Primaris Marines
>too swole to control

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>>55333077
Just screech "PICK THAT UP" as piercingly as you can.
Fixes bm real quick

>>55333090
Thats actually pretty clever

>>55333127
Oh Sweet Lawd how have I not been using TableThump(tm) for cocked dice.
That's amazing.

>>55333172
>Rolls a fail
>Pounds that fucker harder than your mom
>Models flying everywhere

>opponent rolls dice on full groups of 30-60 by dropping them from more than 8 inches above the table causing them to splatter everywhere because lol dakka dakka

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>>55333126
My store had the same anniversary as a UK store. The UK store had a Black Library author show up, a bunch of GW staff present, and a huge event. My store in the US received no support from corporate whatsoever outside of the anniversary character preorder. (Which every store gets.)

>>55331846
Personally I ignore those numbers alltogether
The idea that only 1000 dudes are making a big difference in the GALAXY is goofy. Suffers from the same problem most of 40k does, in that you have to multiply almost all populations by 100/1000 to seem reasonable

>>55333213
Shame. I missed my local store's anniversary, but from what the guy who runs it told me there were just old grogs coming in and dropping ludicrous amounts of money.

>>55333214
Those 1000 dudes usually move out in groups of 20-50, and roll in, mop shit up, move back out.
They are not commonly called, and due to their prognosticators, are usually in the area either just before or at the moment shit goes down.
Your mistake is thinking SMs are like standard military forces. There is a reason spec ops is currently the go to problem solvers the world over.

>>55332508
Painting Death Guard, assembling some Tau, and working up the will to assemble (and paint) Poxwalkers.

>>55332248
This is the cringiest post on /40kg/ in a long while. Jesus wept

>>55332334
To be fair, Dave is literally the worst producer left on the channel. Quirk and him need to get the fuck out

>>55333213
inquisitorial stormtroopers when?

>>55333213
To be fair its a lot easier to pull of author appearances and such if the store is on the same continent they live in.

>>55332391
go away slaanesh

>>55332692
New system discovered. It's outside the usual space lanes, and was isolated due to warpstorms. It's near enough to the T'au that they've send an expedition, the nids are practically next door, one of the planets is/was an Exodite world (first settled to keep an eye on a small Necron outpost in the very fringes of the system), the Imperium wants to get a hold of both the resources and manpower of the system, and the Orks have noticed the activity and come looking for a fight. And as usual, the Dark Eldar are seeing a chance for some ripe plunder. As usual, Chaos comes a-knocking for whatever reason.

I think that covers everything, and doesn't give too much to any one faction to start with. When the whole thing is over, we either have a new Imperial system, a wasteland, a daemon world, or an endless warzone. If GW can stay away from rigging it, we might even get some satisfaction out of it.

>>55333120
According to the numbers listed it seems like it is indeed 10 men per squad, considering that each Brotherhood has exactly 10 squads.

>>55332692

Imperial crusade into the Eye of Terror. Play it on Chaos' turf, give them advantages to summoning and stuff.

>>55332692
They can start by not acting that Chaos and Imperium is a fair fight.
The playerbase, and number of units and armies makes it impossible for the chaos community to ever stand a chance.

Will Admech ever get a void dragon LoW?

>>55333285
Interesting since the Imperium have historically been lower on the totem pole of TT power in 40k's history.

>>55332508
I'm finishing up my Dark Imperium Box, after that I have some AoS stuff to work on

>>55333302
No

>>55333236
I painted all of my Poxwalkers first, so I could get the motivation to paint the stuff I really liked after all the boring stuff had been finished

>another week in a row where the only Admech discussion from GW is "hurr durr did you know there are 7 forge worlds?"

Holy shit I'm not even saying they should leak things just to satisfy my curiosity, but if there really is that little to say, just fucking don't say anything.

>>55333225
Apart from all the times they deploy exactly like slightly fancier military forces and drive around in convoys of specialist heavy vehicles with slow armour types. Grey Knights do the small forces thing, but for a lot of Marine approaches to things they've either wasted a hell of a lot of resources on tanks they'll never use for anything other than a Techpriest wank bank or there's quite a lot of random conpanied of Marines driving around planetside being artillery bait.

>>55332508
Adding bits to my Dark Imperium SM. I brought a bunch of black templars, grey knights, dark angels and many kind of helmets and heads from Hoard of Bits and im getting addicted to kitbashing. Im half done with painting them, too, so i'll eventually be proud of something in my life.

>>55333324
Well, they say they'll discuss Forge Tactics over this week, right? We might get something, although I'm slightly irritated they didn't even drop any tidbits over the last three articles.

>>55333324
The article literally said "previews coming this week".

>we’ll be taking a look at the powerful unique abilities for each in detailed previews next week.

are there some 7th edition detachments/formations that will become one of these forge world tactics?

>>55333323
Wish I had thought of that.

I intend to ask a friend how he painted the zombies for his Warhammer/KoW undead army, and just copy that. Fuck spending time on those Poxies.

>>55333269
You wouldn't even necessarily need to make one faction the "winner", just give each side some objective to reach.

>>55333302
Yeah man
I heard they were releasing a nurgle model next month too

>>55333324
We're going to get more info as the week goes by. Though I'm not really expecting much amazing, without any more characters I almost can't see much reason to use any forge world besides Mars for Cawl.

>>55333358
It's fucking perfect, I tel you.

Which is why they won't do it, I suppose. No way to turn it into a "buy this stuff" for GW.

>>55333354
Just copy Duncan's easy mode paintjob for poxwalkers. Should take almost no time/effort at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_gc8Dw0lI

>>55333386
That could work, yes. Cheers.

>>55332243
>multipart

From the looks of it, much of this DG release is pseudo mono pose, one can hope we get MPPKs for Plague Marines

>>55333369
This.
>have multiple forge worlds
>all besides Mars are currently worthless because Cawl's only buffing Mars

>>55333373
>first strike
Fast attack or flying crap
>beach head
Heavy support
>Secure the front lines
Troops
>Sabotage runs
Elites
>All out War
LoW

It is not hard

>>55333258
I'm not saying an author has to be forced to show up, but ANY corporate support would have been nice.

>>55333077
>again
>implying

>>55333417
As cool as Cawl is, I resent how big a deal named characters have become. An Ad Mech force without him is like a Space Marine force without Guilliman: non-existent.

>>55333467
Or SoB force without Celestine
I can still table anyone without Celestine, but the bitch makes it so much more easy to do it

>>55333467
I'm fine with them having unique aura buffs, but there really needs to be some reason to take non named characters. Relics just being minor buffs probably doesn't help much.

>>55333327
>drive around in convoys of specialist heavy vehicles with slow armour types
Which only happens when they need to perform a breakthru for a specific goal, or encounter enemy armor. You are confusing SMs pulling rearguard support for IG with IG themselves, and that happens rarely, like with Armageddon where everyone is dug in.

>>55333451
>when it never happened but you want it to happen again

>>55333077
whenever we can execute bastards who bring Mortarion to your low points game.

>>55333472
Yeah, her too. At least in her case she's non of a specific Order and has an in-fluff justification for appearing anywhere, but she's still a must-take. Especially since your other HQ choices is the Canoness and nothing else.

>>55333481
I'm guessing GW want their big, expensive characters to be essential so everyone will want to buy them, not just people playing one sub-faction of each faction. Which is fine, but I wish there was some way to run them as a count-as and unbind them from their specific factions.

>>55333467
Counts-as helps, but is a bit tricky to get right, especially since Cawl is fuckheug and the idea I had isn't quite as large as he is. I still wish that either Cawl was unaligned like a lot of Necrons or that there were generic Name rules using his model.

>>55331841
https://warhammer40000.com/blog/imperial-victory-loebos/

>>55332508
A SC! Box of Skittles.
On a side note, what's the onagers best gun option for anti-infantry? I have a lot of nid players and footsloggers at my LGS.

>>55333527
There isn't even any reason for him to be specifically Mars. IIRC lore wise he can requisition forces from any Forge World he wants. Yea he's technically based from Mars but he doesn't specifically lead Martian forces.

>>55333499
Eye of Medusa has quite a lot of that, as does Dark Imperium where there's Primaris wading through rivers and storming a citadel on the ground. Doesn't seem as rare as you make it out to be, especially since there are chapters who specialise in precision and high-speed assault. If that's all they're used for unless things have gone completely tits up you'd just have a million Assault Marines and Drop squads and aircraft, you wouldn't need dozens of tank types.

Marines take what would be crippling casualties with pretty shocking regularity given how Operator they're meant to be.

>>55333547
The Icarus Array is the most popular, even with the -1 to hit it fire enough shots that it will still kill quite a few, though the twin heavy phosphor isn't bad considering it's fairly cheap. Though with the codex out in two weeks some things might change.

Magnets are your friend.

>>55332073
Marines are written to be the equal of dozens of lesser warriors.

>>55333502
I know this feeling all too well my man

>>55333417
Maybe mars will have a weaker armywide buff compared to the other forgeworlds?

Or you could always run his distant cousin Archmagos Fawl. Or his half-brother Archmagos Caaarl.

>>55332140
The Hive Mind honors the brave soldiers who gave their lives to ensure Chaosfags couldn't float about how WE TOOK ULTRAMAR WHEN NPCS COULDN'T

>>55333547
Icarus Array is pretty good since it's got 10 shots with a little bit of AP and decent strength, even if it's normally BS4+ but against Nids you'll want a couple neutron lasers to deal with the big boys anyway leave the hordes to Vanguard and Kastelans and such. Still, slap some magnets on there, anon. I didn't on my first Dunecrawler and I regret it, since I decided to mount the Neutron Laser and the Icarus rocket pod to counts-as either which is a pretty crude solution.

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Buying a Betrayal at Calth box soon.

First post that ends with 3 decides which chaos legion they are gonna be painted as.

>>55333591
Chaos Undivided.

>>55333591
Dark Angels.

>>55333513
she's from the order of our martyred lady or was that retconned?

>>55333591
Salamanders

>>55332578
Renegade knights

>>55333591
The elusive Niggerjew legion.

>>55332104
Who is 'we'?

1 ten man Interceptor squad or 2 five man Interceptor squads?

>>55333606
She was a random SoB that found a special armour.
Now she is just a random warp demon

Basically the character other characters kill to look cool

>>55333591
World Eaters

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>>55333591
Alpha Legion

>>55333591
Emperor's faggots

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>>55333643

>>55333643
Checked.

>>55333643
lmao

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>>55333643
Emperor's Faggots it is.

shit anons, i'm so torn on my first army.

I'm swinging between GK, Necrons and Drew Carey in terms of aesthetic but i've never played a game of 40k before

which are the most fun on the table? which are the least fun?

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>>55333582

>>55333671
Personally I've found GK to be extremely fun

>>55333527
Necrons are okay because they've got a bunch of different characters for different dynasties. Space Marines do too, but there's nothing quite in par with Bobby G. As for Ad Mech? It's Cawl or nothing.

>>55333671
Go for Necrons or Dark Eldar, Anon.

GK are boring.

>>55333637
>Saint Celestine is a revered Living Saint of the Adepta Sororitas' Order of Our Martyred Lady
???

>>55333562
Seconding the call for magnetisation. It's a little bit more of an investment, but it means you can change loadouts as you need rather than having to buy a whole new Dunecrawler.

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>>55333643
>>55333665
Sounds Slaaneshi

>>55333591
Crimson Slaughter. They got real lucky and found a stash of heresy era gear.

>>55333691
I bought three before I got around to magnetizing. At least I've got plenty of Dunecrawlers now I've bought 5 SC! kits

>>55333606
Originally, yeah, but as >>55333637 said she's now a shining golden warp entity/stormcast now and has transcended the usual organisational structures of the AS.

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>>55333354
Here are a picture of two of my. favorite Poxwalkers.
And here is how I painted the skin in case you were wondering
>Rakarth Flesh
>shade with carribourgh crimison
>Drybrush with Cadian fleshtone

>>55333467
This.
They need to release a generic Archmagos.

So riddle me this anons - I'm hyper sensetive to ca glue so which faction should I play that has almost no fine cast - no cool fw toys I'll never be able to own and isn't completely trash in kit bashing and modeling every guy into a unique snowflake

>>55333743
I would say either Orks or Tyranids

>>55333743
get a competent friend to glue and seal the models

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>>55333739
Archmagos
3CP
>Use before the game. Upgrades a Magos into an Archmagos. An Archmagos lets friendly <FORGE WORLD> units reroll all failed To Hit rolls instead of just To Hit rolls of 1.

Search your feelings you know this to be true.

>>55333671
GK are a great beginner army

Did all custodians go back to the palace or are there still some out in the galaxy? I kinda want a self exiled force that is unaware of Guillimans return (and don the black armor in shame)

>>55333743
Grey Knights or Deathwatch if you're feeling Marines.

>>55333783
>Did all custodians go back to the palace

Yes.

>>55333671
Can vouch for DE being fun. I think GK would be fun, but I'm into smaller elite armies. Not too familiar with Necrons, especially this edition, look like they'd be a bit more massed fire based.

>>55333690
Not anymore she is just a warp demon.

>>55333800
Nope. SHe's still alive and dies a little more every reincarnation.

>>55333771
Fuck you're probably right.

>>55333800
just like cawl is a martian so is celestine from the order of our martyred lady

>>55333743
Some version of marines.

>>55333818
Unlike Cawl she lacks a subfaction tag.

>>55333812
She's a warp ghost that can manifest physically. She is not a Daemon daemon, but she is 100% a warp entity these days. Just one that has clung onto her humanity.

I wonder what's happening to those twins she recruited into her magical club.

>>55333771
That's still technically worse than Cawl's "reroll all hit rolls in shooting" but it would be something. All you'd be missing out on for the most part is Cawl's "add or or subtract one from canticles rolls"

>>55333840
sauce?

>>55333840
she has to be physical too because she has the relics

>>55333840
Nope. She has a physical body in the warp.

>>55333849
>That's still technically worse than Cawl's "reroll all hit rolls in shooting" but it would be something.
It would be the exact same aura.

>All you'd be missing out on for the most part is Cawl's "add or or subtract one from canticles rolls"
Sorry Cawl Only. Just like SM chapter masters don't get Calgar's +2 CP or halve damage taken

>>55333878
>It would be the exact same aura.
It would not be, Cawl's aura lets you re-roll any dice in the shooting phase, not just misses. It's relevant whenever you have a to hit modifier.

>just recieved all my cool resin kits
>can't paint them without primer
fuck.

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Could anyone tell me what these bits are supposed to be?

>>55333878
Regular auras are reroll all failed hits.
Cawls is reroll any hits meaning you can fish for 6s if you need too, but more importantly it gets around the silly hit penalty problem.

>>55331812
But you're on our side now friendo :^)

>>55333897
>Painting without a primer anyway

>>55333899
Tau KV188 shoulder thingie? or Imperial Knight something.

>>55333910
They are from the ghostkeel kit. I dunno what they are specifically.

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>>55332140
>Play Tzeentch Daemons
>My ever changing face when I gave everyone of my wins to the Imperium

>>55333920
I don't play Tau, my guess then is something to help you aim, something to throw missiles at a guy and something that shields you, in that order.

>>55333893
>>55333902
Ah I apologize then. Word it in such a way to mirror Cawl's aura then

>Never noticed his aura allowed rerolling successful Hits.

>>55333899

From left to right a drone controller, the emp launcher and a closed emp launcher.

>>55333942
For the longest time I thought it was a type but with as many FAQs as we've had so far I would have expected it to have been corrected if it was a mistake. But yea, it's specifically "any hit rolls in the shooting phase".

>>55333860
>>55333870
Relics can be an extension of her being (especially since she was atomised in her original "true" death), but she could be something physical still. On the other hand, she has explicitly died multiple times (with her most recent demise being Kharn induced decapitation) but keeps coming back, so I'm personally more inclined to believe that her physical body is unimportant/a manifestation.

>>55333980
I'm having flash back of "Shaman King", Celestine is an Object possession

>>55333893
Re-rolls happen before modifiers.

>>55333967
Cheers anon. Any ideas what to do if I want an advanced targeting system on there?

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>11 points short of the limit
>cant add new units
>cheapest bit of wargear I can add is 12 points
Do I reconfigure my entire list or go one point over?

>>55333980
Nope. We see in Fall of Cadia she has a physical body in the Warp. Every time she is killed she comes back lesser. She is not a daemon or a ghost, she is a living human resurrected by the Emperor.
Basically a Stormcast from AoS.

>>55333980
Celestine is a deamon prince of the mperor.

>>55333998
I'm just getting into the game, and this confuses me.
If I am shooting something that I take a -1 to hit, and I'm shooting on a 4+, I don't apply it as a 5+ before rolling? I roll first, and if I rolled a 4, I wouldn't get to reroll it?

>>55334032
Correct, rerolls are before modifiers.

>>55334011
I remember that passage, but I don't recall anything that implies she's a physical entity rather than a soul/warp entity/etc.

>>55334013
Probably the most accurate description, though who knows if the Emperor had a hand in it or whether it was purely her faith (or possibly some other power having a hand in it).

>>55334032
That's how it works, and it's dumb as all hell.

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>>55334002

Dunno that one.

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>>55332508
Dorks

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>Think Brimstones are cute
>Want to field a bunch of them with my Word Bearers
>Walk into store
>Hear people complaining about them being OP
>Hold off on buying them

Is this true guys? Please tell me it isn't.

Would it be possible to field a Tau army without any mechas and still have a good time? 1500 or 2000 pts

>>55334003
Either reconfigure or go 11pts low.

>What's your list?

>>55334041
>>55334049
Is it to prevent rerolls for being too strong?
People here talk about rerolls being mandatory for plasma guns, but why is that? Unless you are shooting terminators/ICs or vehicles, wounds don't carry over.

>>55334077
They're fine now.

>>55334002
Don't worry about support systems. No-one cares if they are WYSIWYG.

>>55334117
Shit okay then, guess I'll use the drone controller.

>>55334032
>>55334049
It's designed to make the interaction with "re-roll hit rolls of 1" clearer. You always know you can pick up and re-roll any dice that come up as 1.

>>55334108
Thank goodness. Guess I've got to make a trip to the store to get some little fire friends.

>>55334111
Primaris Heavy Bolter?

>>55334156
ratling inferno pistol

>>55334156
Multi-melta and bolter

>>55334142
It's also to stop people just negating "-1 to hit" abilities by just rerolling everything.

If you were to start a new army right now, what would it be?

I think I'd like an Craftworld Eldar army with lots of Aspect Warriors. But I already have too man damn things to paint and have quite frankly gone way over budget lately.

>>55334169
I know 40k guns are retardly big but for fuck sake SoB weapons are for human use not marine size

>>55334206
Dark eldar. One of the few things that have remained metal in 40k

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>>55334215
blame heroic scale

>>55334206
But I just started a new army...

>>55334206
Chaos. One of the few things that have remained metal in 40k

>>55334206
I'd really like a big IG heavy armour battalion, a dozen russes, some of the FW russ variants, six troop chimerae, two command chimerae, two units of ten of the old kasrkin in tauroxes with a conversion kit so they arent abominations, and finally a superheavy detachment of baneblade stormblade hellhammer shadowsword

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Frickin' bizzare but very good unit.

Weird little tough all-rounder daemon engine.

>>55334215
The fluff reason used to be that they could wield xbawkshueg weapons when wearing power armour

>>55334238
I already play choas, because they're metal.

>>55334246
It's basically a Darkshroud for Death Guard.

>>55334088
------ Battalion
-Pask 247
Executioner cannon, two plasma cannons, lascannon
-company commander 30
-primaris psyker 40

-infantry squad 50
grenade launcher, vox
-infantry squad 50
grenade launcher, vox
-infantry squad 50
grenade launcher, vox

-command squad 58
medi-pack, lascannon, vox
-veterans 91
Lascannon, 3 snipers, vox
-5 ratlings 25

-banewolf 109
Heavy stubber, heavy flamer

-leman russ 162
Battle cannon, heavy bolter

-chimera 93
2 heavy bolters, storm bolter
-chimera 109
2 heavy flamers

------ vanguard
-primaris psyker 40

-veterans 105
Maul, heavy flamer, 2 meltas
-commissar 35
Bolt pistol, power sword
-priest 35

------ vanguard
-company commander 41
Boltgun, power fist

-asropath 21
-command squad 53
Medi-pack, regimental standard, 2 plasma guns
-special weapons squad 45
3 flamers

1489/1500

The list contains three working parts. 1) all the infantry in the battalion minus the psyker but including the vanguard commissar shooting shit and sitting at the back. 2) pask, and his tank buddy also sitting at the back shooting shit but with a primaris psyker buffing pask' save. 3) the two vanguard detachments (minus the commissar) crammed in to the two chimeras, moving forward with the banewolf.

>>55334267
>-asropath 21
that's the solution if you can figure it out