/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>55325264
you

>>55325264
>What lurks in the dark side of the internet in the World of Darkness

Porn spirits and Amazon magath.

Next question.

What's the deal with the Oracles?
Are they good? Where are they? WHO are they?
How do the Watchtowers actually work?

>>55325539
The Oracles -are- the Watchtowers.

MtA 2ed, wha'ts the cheapest arcanum combination to protect your home from info gathering in general (es. auspex, spydrones, wiretapping, umbra travel, divination and, possibly, oneiromancy) ?

How do you feel about Exalted references in WoD?

>>55325617
gay

>>55325617
I think you mean the WoD references in Exalted

>>55325539
The Oracles is the name given to whatever entity established the Supernal Watchtowers, as (purportedly) an attempt to provide a method by which the Sleeper population of the Exarch dominated world might find some freedom, or eventually triumph over their oppressors.

They might never have existed.
They might be the Watchtowers.
They might just be Exarchs.

Ultimately though it is the Watchtowers that remain.
Gigantic, powerful symbols in the Supernal which draw sympathetic souls to them, to grant them Supernal Power in an act of Imperial Magic.

>>55325710
How do the call of the Watchtowers cross the Abyss?

>>55325954
They're really stretchy

>>55325954
Magic.

>>55325954
>How do the call of the Watchtowers cross the Abyss?

An awakening is an act of Imperial magic.

Archmasters are also technically capable of the feat, but it tends to create banishers.

>>55325587
Just get Fate and destine it to secrecy. Not as airtight as a multi-Arcanum solution but definitely the cheapest. An Acanthus can easily throw in Time for Shield of Chronos, which will hinder Postcognition, the most basic and powerful method of mage investigation.

>>55325587
Set up your "home" in a hard to reach place, like the Shadow. That'll thwart most curious types. In the case of the Shadow, all you'd need to add is spirit guards and protection from divination and you'd have the complete package.

>>55325587
Space, Ward it and use Secret Door, and you'll be safe from other Mages physically coming to your place and trying to scry it.

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>>55316355
>Sauce?

For the webm?

It's a trailer made for Magicka 2.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDj6bjvDiY0 [Embed]

Honestly, the Magicka devs make pretty entertaining trailers all around.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgcEZ8jz_Hc [Embed]

...Also, that second trailer is pretty accurate for how my mage games tend to go: Everybody ends up trying to betray, decieve and/or kill each other.

>>55326946
Are you that imbecile that designed that vampire elder that had to use a loophole to get mage magic in order to try to fight Masters?

>>55327209
Are you talking about the guy forever ago who made a Discipline that mimicked magic in Ascension so that Caine could use the Archspheres, or something else?

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>>55327209

I recall someone has converted most of the 1e Mage legacies to 2e.

Does anyone have the link with the doc?

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>>55327617
Yes.
In future, just use 4plebs
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/filename/Legacies/

>>55321579

Anybody ever read So You Want to be a Wizard? Features the Devil ruling over a dead ringer for the Shadow — predatory animism ahoy.

>>55327702

Thank you.

>>55325954
The Oracles are equal in power to the Exarchs, who created the Abyss.

>>55328373
I always assumed then to be stronger. Each of the ten Exarchs represent a single Arcanum, while the five Oracles each represent two.

>>55328373

Does anyone have the screencap or link where Dave states that mages can live to about 125 before the liche problems start?

>>55328519

We don't know the actual number of Exarchs. There could be thousands.

>>55328563
There are thousands. Only ten of them are above the rest. Four of them being above the other six.

>>55328597

Don't forget about the Gate.

>I spoke her name, now we are all doomed...

>>55328563
There are a great number of 'lesser' Exarchs. Only ten are 'greater', AKA the Iron Seals. Four of those are the Archigenitors, currently The Unity, The General, The Father & The Eye.

>Below the Archigenitors and the Iron Seals that represent the Arcana, the Seers of the Throne populate choruses and legions of lesser Exarchs. They speak of 8 million recorded gods, seven legions of Arch-Ascended under every Seal, ruling 77 ochemata and 777 secret masters of the world, and even universes within each Exarch’s soul, huge enough to spawn infinite avatars.

>>55328623
The Exarchs are just lazy, right? How do they not dominate every other gameline with that much power?

>>55328658
That's a topic of much discussion within the Seers and the Pentacle.

I believe it has been implied by DaveB that the Abyss is the problem. Because as he mentioned before, if you want to save the world, you need to deal with the Abyss, and the Exarchs at the same time.

Only deal with the Exarchs? Abyss eats existence, as they can no longer stop it.
Only deal with the Abyss? Exarchs (assumedly) take full control over Fallen reality, no longer having to worry about any Abyssal side effects of such direct control.

>>55328658

They do. Bleak oppression is the standard for CofD.

The Exarchs simply don't micromanage when humans are so oppressive without any assistance.

>>55328658
They do. They have made the situation where every gameline has that inherent darkness. The God-Machine is the greatest TV for their broadcast signal, the infighting of vampires please their desire to see people unable to look beyond themselves and be more, werewolves killed their own father figure, so on and so forth.

They just don't show up and fuck around in them, since most of those splats aren't about to do anything about their direct agents save maybe vampires fucking up by going for the wrong temporal power base they want to subvert.

>>55328623
This is just Seer hype, I wouldn't take it too seriously.

>>55328373
The Oracles are equal in power to the Exarchs because they ARE Exarchs. There's no inherent distinction, they're all just Ascended Mages to my knowledge. And again, to the extent of my knowledge they didn't intentionally create the Abyss. The Gate just bargained with it to create the Lie.

>>55328852
Oracles operate Watchtowers, Exarchs do not. Every Awakening is courtesy of the Oracles and none are from the Exarchs. Even Seer Awakenings, they have taken the gift of the Oracles into the enemy camp. If there were no Oracles, would there be mages in the Fallen World at all?

>>55328880
I think it's wrong to assume that the Oracles are 'good' compared to the Exarchs. They probably made the Watchtowers out of some lofty goal we know nothing about.

They could be working with the Exarchs for all we know.

>>55328894
I don't assume that, and you're right, if Oracles and Exarchs alike need mages in the Fallen World, they could be working together. But we do know that, whatever their motives or goals, one group of Ascended uses Watchtowers to cause Awakenings and another group of Ascended does not.

It's important to note, at this point, that no Archmaster has ever found any evidence of the existence of the Oracles, and the Ascended aren't exactly forthcoming with information.

All that remains of them, is their Watchtowers.

No other symbols exist to indicate their existence, their nature, their intent, in the Supernal.

Any claims as to their intent in establishing the Watchtowers, or their allegiance, is wishful thinking.

>>55329076

The Watchtowers, like Path yantras and other matters, also haven't always been the same.

See Sundered World and To the Strongest.

>>55329121
Yeah, but a lot of that can be either attributed to the Supernal either reflecting at any given time only those symbols which exist in the Fallen World, or the limited perceptions of the Awakened only being capable of interpreting such symbols as exist at their time of reference.

The only beings who would conclusively be able to tell would be modern Archmasters who travel back to the Sundered World through an Iris, and then travel to the Supernal at that point on the timeline.

Also it's well established that many Ascending Mages manage to staple more symbols to the Watchtowers as a part of their Ascension.
Merlin, case in point. He's why you can go full Arthurian as an Acanthus.

>>55329076
We do know that Watchtowers are connected to Awakenings.

>>55329317
>We do know that Watchtowers are connected to Awakenings.

Maybe, but what if that's what the Gate wants you to think...

>>55325264
>What lurks in the dark side of the internet in the World of Darkness?
Like tor, but instead of drugs and child pornography it's just various splats shitposting on WoD 4chan through a pile of anonymity, the entire thing maintained by Luna and Helios who post disgusting couples pornography to ensure that it gets the widest audience when 'leaked' to people who'll 'appreciate' them.

>>55329370
Maximum Gatefu theory: not only is the Gate the great safe regulator of the cosmically necessary Abyss, she's also the only one capable of bringing an Awakening experience safely past the Abyss to the Supernal. Forced Awakenings fail because they don't have her help, creating Abyss-tainted mages.

>>55329317
Watchtowers cause Awakenings.

We know nothing more about the Oracles, than that they created the Watchtowers.
That is, unless we want to assume that the Watchtowers always existed.
Which is rather unlikely, given Archmages move beyond them.

>>55329454

CofD internet is nothing but vampire and furry porn, and Network Zero comments about vampire and furry porn.

>>55329536

If the Watchtowers exist in the Supernal, then they always existed. That's the whole point of the Supernal. Just ask any archmage.

>>55329566
On this timeline, sure.

>>55329611
It's more than just timeline shenanigans, anon

>>55329540
And gateposting. From the Gate herself. Unlike those of Luna and Helios, nobody wants her nudes.

>>55329669
probably because they'd drive you insane

>>55329655
Look to 2e core.
String theory wasn't always a part of the Supernal.
Then along came Xeras, who ascended, and took it with him.

>>55329669
>>55329685

The Gate definitely has Crazy Eyes!

>>55329691
That's kind of redundant

>>55329709
How so? The Supernal isn't fixed.
Just because a symbol exists there doesn't mean it's always existed.

>>55329735
I'm more referring to the timeline part of this ordeal.

>>55329735
From the perspective of the Fallen it has always existed. That's kind of the point. Whether the 'symbol' always existed is another thing entirely.

>>55329535
Too bad she created the Lie.

>>55329740
The whole 'timeline' element is kinda flexible depending on what kind of ascension happened.

Xeras went quietly. His change really only rippled forwards.

Hyperion took an entire religion with him, leaving Christianity to take up the slack of that religion's impact on world history, such that it never existed.

Fuckin' Alienated.

>>55329691
String Theory was/is horseshit, though. Does that mean that as soon as people finish poking holes in it we're going to watch him surf a cosmic board down out of the supernal as one of the alienated?

>>55329765
Sounds like a bastard

>>55329800
Discover of Uranus didn't do Aion any harm.

So am I reading the demesne rules right when I interpret them as "Go berserk with reach, there's no paradox under any circumstances without sleepers"?

Will Dave be working on Dark Eras: Britain?

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>>55329863
>>55329863
He's come out and said no. But THIS motherfucker, on the other hand..

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>>55329877
B-b-b-but Dave is a Brit. How could he not. WHY.

>>55329863
>Will Dave be working on Dark Eras: Britain?

Dave isn't even developing the Mage / Deviant crossover despite being the friggin' developer for both Mage and Deviant, and Deviant not yet started first drafts.

>>55329896
Dave has betrayed you. Feel Brucatto and his Magick. Around you. In front of you. Inside you. Let Brucatto into your heart and orifices.

>>55329896
>How could he not.

It is punishment for our sins.

The Komodo Lord is a cruel and fickle god.

>>55329877
Brucato is working on Awakening...?

>>55329896

Dave is a false prophet and laughs at your lamentations.

If his power and enlightenment were true, we would have already received the Wisdom of the Mage FAQ.

>>55329841
So long as your spell doesn't leave the bounds of the Demesne when it's cast? Sure.

>>55329936
Well they stopped paying Dave, so they had to go for discount renfaire material

>>55329923
I bet he's laughing at us right now

>>55329936
>Brucato is working on Awakening...?

NO, and even by /wodg/ standards, it's still not remotely funny.

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>>55329936
Oh yes. Dark Eras Britain. It's going to be *marvelous*. I cannot wait to see it.

>>55329960
They stopped paying everyone

>>55329975
Would you pay anyone who worked on Beast?

>>55329991
I'd give them a dollar out of pity, yes.

I heard Dave is "transitioning" out of writing for OPP.

The rumor is that he has some fabulous ideas for Shadowrun.

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>>55329877
That's not funny.

>>55330102
>dave taking over Shadowrun writing
That'd be neat though the lack of an editor is the real problem with 5e. Or a good one if they have one. Maybe its like OPP's poor layout bastard who is the one man doing a three person job?

>>55330104
Don't you read his wordpress blog, anon? You have to go back a ways to find it, but he'll talk about working on a 'secret' for 'something new' out in 'the dark'. You know, typical Brucatto horseshit.

FATHERS.
THRUSTING.
COCK.

>>55330114
The real problem is they won't fucking pay anyone who wants to write anything decent. They got rid of their good writers and the terrible twins Pat and Ratkovich drive away anyone who writes badwrongfun on their watch.

Satyrdouch developing and writing for Awakening.

What's the worst that could happen...?

>>55330102
Oh god. I thought you were about to make a transgender joke. Hence "transitioning"

I'm honestly surprised it's not mandatory to become an OPP writer.

>>55330126
>deletes archmages
>spells are now impossible to cast
>food sidebars take up a quarter of the core
>barely any detail on how to do anything
>"don't try this at home kids"

>>55330128
Maybe that's why he's leaving. If you don't genderbend inside a minimum time period, Rich Thomas breaks into your house, cuts your cock off and fucks you with it.

>>55330128

What I said "transitioning," I was using corp-speak to mean yelling at Richt demanding his damn paycheck.

>>55330140

>Seers, Tremere and Scelesti are no longer playable because you might turn evil

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>>55330140
>>55330158
He's awful. Just awful.

>>55330182
He probably has an 'office' that's just a bench outside a local preschool. Wears nothing but a trenchcoat and sits there, writing away on a notepad that sits inside a gutted laptop case covered in alchemical symbols.

>>55330182

I would suffer a hundred Beasts rather than ever letting Phil anywhere near Awakening.

>>55330122
I kind of feel like 5e has a weird mix of absolute shit tier books and actually decent and fun ones. I get a ton of use out of Run and Gun, Hard Targets, Chrome Flesh, Rigger 5, and Run Faster (though RF is kind of bad, it has a lot of useful gubbins on it) but everything else is kind of bad AND not useful to me or just plain bad. And there's no predicting this shit, since it seems almost random which books will blow vs. be fine.

Data Trails was hot garbage with only some interesting fluff details, but most of the fluff and all the mechanics were a mess.

I really did like how they described how different the matrix was grid to grid and have been heavily making use of that in my games though

>>55330201

... while munching on locally-sourced, organic kale that he bought with the money donated on his Patreon to pay his rent.

>>55330140
>>spells are now impossible to cast

I've heard this from a lot of people now, including one friend who doesn't frequent 4chan so I know he's not parroting one of the talking points in here. What the hell was the issue with the magic system out of their core? Did he forget to actually provide rules for the magic?

>>55330220
The system in Ascension is a mess. M20 is even worse. There's multiple ways of doing it due to how vaguely things are worded.

Magic is either too hard or too easy.

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>>55330212
Some of them are okay, and I like their attempts to magic up Earthdawn's feel, but it doesn't work in Shadowrun even if I am a massive ED faggot (SORCERERS FOR LIFE, DAMN YOU. MORE CATHAY.)

But there's been a massive quality dip since the bathroom incident, and Pat/Bull getting their head to do what they want has made a bad situation even worse. The headcase virus was fucking stupid, and they'd done it before. It makes my brain hurt.

>>55330220

The first supplement was entitled "How Do You Do That," and people still don't have any friggin' idea how anything is supposed to work. In fact, most of the information is contradictory.

Ascension rules were always a hot mess, which was unsurprising with a freeform magic system based on consensual reality. Somehow Phil mage it worse.

>>55330249
>Somehow Phil mage it worse.

Was this an intentional pun

>>55330244

I haven't followed Shadowrun for a few years.

What's the "bathroom incident?" Is it connected with the embezzlement?

>>55330261

Yeah, I was trying to be witty!

>It definitely wasn't an accidental typo

>>55330263
Yeah. It is the embezzlement. We switched from SR as our 'regular' game when War! came out (We'd just finished a campaign and wanted something new but War was a fucking bogota sourcebook) and I've just kept one eye on it ever since.

>>55330293

If I recall, wasn't War a total piece of crap supplement in all respects?

>>55330305
Oh, you have no idea. A new weapon class that completely removed the need for assault rifles AND sniper rifles. New spells like Slow that, RAW, would let a mage ignore 99% of threats. A promise of a focus on mercenary mayhem only to turn into bogota, bogota, bogota. That softweave armour mod that gives capacity rather than taking it. Just.. fucking hell.

>>55330329
Don't forget the introduction of software and hardware with a rating of 7+, which fundamentally broke the already shitty Matrix 'balance'.

>>55330293
War! sucked and the whole end of 4e kind of did, 5e righted the ship a bit. There's more decent books now, and I like the 5e mechanical updates, but the metaplot is super dumb as usual and there's basically no editor it seems like so even the good books make it hard to find a rule sometimes and the shitty books basically read like the author spewed all their crazy on a wall and the only cutting and refining was for word count and not the hand of an editor.

I'm still having a lot of fun with a long term 5e game I'm running, but it definitely has its flaws. Hacking I feel like is actually decent now though

>>55330362
I can't really get behind hacking anymore. It just feels like they wanted to change it any way, any how, to show Frank Trollman up. So they did. By reskinning magic. First they did it with Technomancers, now this.

Eh. I've bought some of the 5e books. I don't *mind* them, but I still think the quality is pretty bad.
>>55330360
God, don't remind me. The prime era for pocket-hacker agents.

>>55330362

The Shadowrun plot is so 1980's that it really cannot be saved. It's both the game's weakness and charm.

I sure Dave has lots of great ideas...

>>55330396
>implying it even needs to be saved

80s cyberpunk is the best kind of cyberpunk

>>55330391
Man, fuck Trollman. A friend of mine got into his weird cult and tried to show me his hacking system before 5e was even a thing and it was all I could do not to strike him. That shit was garbage.

>>55330419
I actually prefer the wireless world we're in now

I don't like the stupid CFD plot, but definitely think Matrix 2.0 was the right call

>Being so desperate in general you talk about another general
>>55307355

>>55330396
Sure it can be. The basic premise is sound. Ish. You need to account for the whole 'ancients control the world' problem, and probably unleash a new plague to push humanity back some. Travel anywhere should be like the Mojave - seriously dangerous, rather than just being concerned about maybe waking up a paracritter. Horrors should stay a far distant metaplot terror, but some sort of cosmic smackdown wouldn't be bad.

Wouldn't mind seeing a Winternight era book. Something like if they'd succeeded, and more destructively. Mankind ruined, cut off from the skies, the planet wrapped in destructive manastorms from the rituals worked. The few remaining ancients tucked away. Corporations still running roughshod in what amount to armed encampments. A constant struggle to recover from the impact and fuck over the consumer. Combine the 80s with frontier spirit, basically.

>>55330445
You're right, of course. Let's talk about Brucatto some more, and what he'll do to Awakening.
>>55330217
He gets 350 a month on his patreon. Would that even pay for kale? Shit's expensive.

>>55330445
>>Being so desperate in general you talk about another general

No, we're talking about DaveB, our Wizard RPG Lord and Savior's, new gig.

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>/wodg/ - Shadowrun General

CofD or Classic WOD?

>>55330513
Chronicles

>>55330523
WHy

>>55330513
CofD

>>55330513
Chronicles. It's just the more sensible choice.

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>>55330509
Just thing, now DaveB can have his in game self insert have a choice about his transformation into a komodo! And he has a choice of magical body horror SURGE or surgery!

>>55330529
Chronicles just seems like a more logical refinement of World to me

>>55330543
He will also make spellcasters apex over all others

>>55330559
>He will also make spellcasters apex over all others

Shaman Supremacy ?!?!

So how do the Mystagogues and Ladder handle their internal murder and murder related activities? I can't believe they immediately turn to the arrows/guardians for everything, *especially* the ladder. Does each order have a specialised sect of thugs?

>>55330589
Well, Dave *did* say his favorite Path was Thyrsus

>>55330598

Every Order has members well versed and ready for unpleasant wetwork if the need arises.

>>55330598
If the affairs are internal, then they handle them internally. I don't know about specialized thug sects, but there are different positions that Mages take up to handle different things, and of course that Mage's cabal will probably be along for the ride. The terminology and such escapes me but the Order books probably answer you question.

>>55330559
>He will also make spellcasters apex over all others
They *already* are. Awakened are the objectively correct choice in Magicrun and muggles can simply go fuck themselves.

>>55330811

Dave and Shadowrun, a match made in Wizard heaven,

>>55329761
Maybe we need the Lie.

>>55330839
maybe i need ur mom's dick in my mouth anon

>>55330914
>Anon hurt itself in confusion

>>55330914
Maybe the Lie is like transmission protocol for reality. It turns message into gibberish but actually let you transmit it instead of loosing.

Anyone seen a conversion guide to GMC for Inferno?

Upcoming Crossover Requiem game

I just so happen to be a Mage, but I'm still in the process to choosing.
What would be a good Arcana spread Preferably one that doesn't overwhelm anything.

There's also a Werewolf. Though I'd add that.

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>All this Shadowrun talk
>tfw your Cyberpunk WoD campaign is on indefinite hold.

>>55331307
Leave spirit to the werewolf and the material to the vampires. Try a Necromancer, mostly focused on Death. Unless there's a khaibit.

>>55331307
Doesn't matter what a mage has. they ruin everything.

>>55331307

You can't go wrong with an Obrimos. They don't inherently step on any of the toes of other splats, have utility and support powers with Prime, and are combat, stealth, travel and computer/investigation capable with Forces.

>>55331354
Other than rendering subterfuge pointless with their flawless lie detection.

>>55331307
Let the Werewolf deal with spiritual activity, lest they feel unwanted and/or not-special.

Forces and Death would be good pickings
>dish out temporary sunlight wards
>deal with the Strix and deathly matters

Fate *could* be interesting. Just don't use it to fuck over their petty politics, lest you become their target(worst case) or their new wizard overlord(best case)

Overall, just try not to solve everything with magic, even though you totally can.

>>55331360
>flawless lie detection

That's the least of the unbalancing powers.

>**cough** Forces 2 Kinetic Shield **cough**

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D O N ' T
C R O S S O V E R
W I T H
M A G E S

>>55328658
They do dominate every other gameline, all the splats are dominated by pointless violence, false doctrines, fear of being observed and tyrannical power politics to varying degrees, with beastial natures, alienation from spiritual realities, implacable death, futile heroism, inevitable collapse and destructive greed bringing up the rear.

>>55331430

But the other splats throw great parties!

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>>55331461

Parties, hah! Other splats are prudes compared to mages.

>>55325617
>>55325649

How would a crossover between them work?

>>55331503
In essence, Exalted is a precursor to oWoD. Hunters were watered down shards of Exaltations, the Scarlet Empress and the Obsidian Dragon were the ones sending the messengers as well as actual angels, that sort of thing.

>155 posts
>22 posters

Truly, /wodg/ has fallen

>>55331537
Who the fuck are you people who care about posts per person and where did you come from

Like, what do you want the ratio to be? A bunch of fire-and-forget posts where no conversations happen like a roll thread, 155 posts, 155 posters?

Or are you saying there should be FEWER posters for even more of a closely knit community? What the fuck is your problem man? When did you start browsing 4chan? What, if any, were past social media sites you use? I'm trying to diagnose this brand of autism, please respond

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>>55331537
I STARSCREAM AM NOW YOUR GENERAL THREAD FA/TG/UYS POST IN ME

>>55331578
>>55331591
The contrast between these two replies

lol

>>55326177
>>55326201
>>55326275
Ty, can someone tell me the dots needed? I'm never sure how to adjudicate.
Does they protect the mage from oneiromancy when he sleeps inside? CtL books are not very clear.

A possible mechanical way to make timetravel causality self-reinforcing but relatively lax:
Timetravelers invest dots of willpower in significant/irrational changes in timeline. Kill your grandpa? Dot of willpower. Decide your future self will hide a shotgun in your empty car trunk? The shotgun is now there, and you'll need to travel back in time to place it there to get that dot back.
Seems frankly brilliant if you ask me.

>>55332212
Wonderful, now make your own splat with Time-Travel, because that's sure as shit not how it works with Mage.

Would you STs out there allow me to modify zombie minions, such as adding implements to their limbs, slotting steel plates under their skin, etc, if I had the required skills, time and resources to acquire them?
My ST is being exceedingly obtuse about it, but from my pov, I'm putting a lot of time and trouble into something that most would consider disposable at the least.

>>55332242
Yeah, sure. Extended tests, resource costs, etc. You know about quicken corpse, right? +2 reach lets you augment a zombie, no reason you can't just use more magic. If you have Prime 4, could turn it into an imbued item spell. Swing for an exceptional success to avoid losing the willpower dot and now spell control isn't an issue.

>>55329121
Wait?
What is different in the Sundered World and To the Strongest eras?

>>55332236
Don't be an ass, that's why this shitheap is dying.

>>55332212 could be useful for a GM game, or any other gameline that you decide to run through a time travel plot. Of course a ST could add it to a Mage game if they wanted to, the fun police aren't going to knock down their door.

>>55332311
Let it die, generals are cancer.

>>55332262
You are assuming Mage, I'm keeping this system agnostic.

do we have the alpha playtest yet? no way i am going to register for it

In Vamps 1 point of majesty negate most social penalties, so Nosferatu clan bane just need 1 point discipline to be irrilevant?

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>>55332402

>>55328545
I think that barring some rare spells, the most easily accesible moral longevity spell can add 125 years to your lifespan if you are a master of Life.
It's in Grimoire of Grimoires, Life chapter and in the same chapter is one the rare more efficient moral spells as a plot hook.
That one can slow down your aging by a factor of 10.

>>55332436
thanks, senpai

>>55332512
No prob, now go away, or the magefags will catch us.

>>55332494
Lichdom is only(mostly) reliable through Legacy Attainments anyway.

>>55332536
Am I the only one with a slight problem with how wanting to live very long or forever is seen as evil in itself?

>>55332536
How would a legacy of cyborg-lichs works actually? Life or Matter Arcana?

>>55332589
The Austere legacy is what you want.

>>55332589
Probably Moros Life Legacy.

>>55332610
Only as a side effect, and only with some Unorthodox attainments.

>>55332576
Not even slightly, it's all those morons on the Discord bitch about, completely missing the picture that it's not the living a long time that's the problem.

It's the methods people use to get to it, and use to keep it, and what it does to your mindset after a few hundred years.

Yes, well done. You can live 300 years.
If by that time you haven't ascended, or achieved everything you want with your life, you obviously have some serious hangups about mortality, and no real drive worth talking about.

>>55332576
It's not wrong per se, it's just that more often than not the methods are monstrous.
There's also great social stigma/bias against it among the Pentacle.

It's all lore-related.

>>55332576
The Tremere were once a part of the Diamond. The fifth Order, if you will.

There's a reason why Liches are disliked. Or that's just what I've figured from reading Dave's comments about it.

>>55332663
There have been up to 6 orders in the Diamond, with the mysterium reforming post corpus author.

>>55332663
It's them, plus Lich's penchant for treating non-immortal Mages with a callous disregard.

It reminds the Mystagogues of the way they treat Sleepers.

They do NOT like that.

>>55332675
I find that funny. There's nothing that really makes a Lich more powerful than a mortal Mage other than a longer road to experience. Elitism I suppose.

Archmages on the other hand... That's justifiable.

Why is Spirit the Inferior Arcanum of the Moros?

>>55332714
>Spirit. Moros know that despite outward appearances, inert things dance
with activity. Alchemists know that
spirits exist, and that the world has
a living Shadow, but feel little need
for them. Death provides its own
invisible kingdoms, and Matter
moves even in the absence of will.

>>55332714
Basically because they already have death for their realm invisible, and because Spirit makes inanimate objects alive in a way that Moros don't really care for.

Any interesting philosophical tidbits I should know about when a Path takes its Inferior Arcanum as its third Ruling through a Legacy?

An Obrimos with Death really inspires me.

>>55332770
You have to reinterpret the inferior far away from its original understanding.

That Acanthus Forces Legacy? Skalds or whatever? See Forces not as something to be wielded, but as cosmic clockwork, the butterfly effect itself.

>>55332770
I've always felt that Mastigos with Matter and Moros with Spirit were the two most interesting ones for me.

Freehold Idea: Hospital abandoned after hit by unexploded bomb on top of discarded underground metro station now leading into Hedge. Courts are Military Branch, Medical Ward, and Science Faculty which all believe that A) They run the base. B) The Threat they are facing can only be fought on their means. Military believes they need to protect Civilians from Infiltration Invasion by Alien Others. Scientists believe they are in middle of Mass Hysteria caused by otherworldly Terra Incognita they need to understand. And Medics believe they are in middle of epidemic with all their allies being unaware of being carriers of infection. Any Lost outside these three courts are either treated with paranoid suspicion and/or patronizing care.

>>55332867
And have the entire thing ruled by a Vizier who is even crazier than normal, has three personalities, one leading each faction, AND hasn't realised the 'real' leaders are just his puppets set up by his subordinates. Half the business of the local changelings is ensuring that he can't realise or he'll go completely mad as his entitlements drift away.

>>55332867
Year of the Plague has definitely Its hand in Medical Ward's paranoia.

>>55332867
This gives SCP -vibes.

>>55332820
>Mastigos with Matter

I know it's cheesy, but, Mind over Matter. It fits.

>>55332801
I believe the Skalds have Mind, not Forces.

I think you're referring to the Storm Keepers.

>>55332867
>>55332886
>>55332925
Freehold name: Containment Base: GORDIAN
Alluding to navigation of court system being as messed up as Gordian Knot.

>>55332950
Isn't the most obvious way to do this dumping yourself into a robot?

The only downside is the fact you may tear open a hole into the Abyss if people catch you looking like Cayde-6.

>>55332964
That's the one.

>>55332992
That's... Not what Dissonance does.

>>55332886
Miss Ion Kontrol or would that be too on the nose?

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>>55332992
Attainments are not Supernal. So you can walk around like this and Sleepers will just have to deal with it. On the other hand, the Guardians (no, not those Guardians) will probably want to deal with you, too.

>>55333039
>Miss Ion Kontrol
No, that's great. Use one name as informative for that aspect of the personality and have them ruling. Like, Kontrol rules the military.

>>55333058
Possible Fourth court would be Lie Threaders, who try to keep three other courts from imploding with white lies that tie narratives of Courts together.

>>55333053
>On the other hand, the Guardians (no, not those Guardians) will probably want to deal with you, too.
Aren't they the Order with no sense of humour?

Also, Speaking of Orders, would the Free Council be a good pick for a member of this legacy?

>>55333058
Rector Richard "Dick" Tator.

>>55331925
Fate:
At low levels you'll want to be doing active countermeasures with Serendipity. By Adept you can simply slap a destiny on but the other stuff won't hurt either.
● Serendipity
●●●● Strings of Fate
Time:
Pairs well with Fate. Use Hung/Conditional to booby-trap your Sanctum with whatever effect is convenient (Temporal Stutter is good if you can cast it). Divination and Prophecy can probe for threats before they strike.
● Divination
●● Shield of Chronos, Hung Spell, Conditional Duration
●●●● Prophecy
Spirit:
The more the merrier. You could try this bullshit at a Verge and not need any at all, but the more you have, the more the Shadow will be an asset for you instead of a hazard.
●● Command Spirit, Ephemeral Shield, Shadow Walk, Slumber
●●● Reaching, Place of Power
●●●● Twilit Body, World Walker
●●●●● Spirit Manse, Create Locus, Essence Fountain
Space:
If you have Co-Location, your Sanctum doesn't need to be conventionally accessible (but consider ventilation). With Secret Room, Pocket Dimension, or Quarantine, it doesn't need to be constrained by the limitations of real places.
●● Secret Door, Ward
●●● Ban, Co-Location
●●●● Secret Room
●●●●● Pocket Dimension, Quarantine

>>55333249
>>55331925
If you're worried about technological means you might also consider Forces or Matter to detect and deal with them. With Death instead of Spirit you could set up in Twilight instead of Shadow. For oneiromancy specifically you want Mind 2: Mental Shield.

You said the cheapest way, so I'd say go with Spirit. You'll sidestep a lot of threats just by not living in the real world. Start with as much Spirit as you can and pump it up when you can. Between spirit services and fetishes you can fill in the holes, like sweeping for electronic bugs. If you're worried about mages most, get Time 2 for Shield of Chronos, use Divination from time to time, and hang spells that magically counter bad stuff when it happens, and consider Prime. If you're worried about changelings most, get Mind 2 so you can Mental Shield from oneiromancy right away.

If you're a Thyrsus, a sideline in Life can help you run a pack of guard dogs and sniff out things like hidden microphones and invisible intruders. A Mastigos can pick up Mind easily and use Space instead of Spirit, but I don't think it's nearly as good or flexible. An Acanthus can counter information-gathering with pre-emptive information-gathering. (To fuzz up divinations against you, add a modest element of randomness to your important decisions, e.g. "we attack at dawn, but roll a die to determine which time zone's dawn.") An Obrimos will have Prime to handle mage spells, and Forces can do the tech stuff, but you'll have to go out of path for your core "weird fortress" strategy. A Moros could use Death in place of Spirit to similar effect (but not as versatile in terms of eventually being able to use it to cover all your other bases), and Matter could detect cameras and bugs.

Once you have a palace of secrecy, consider renting it out to people who need to speak in private. Among the Seers, there are Pylons called Condecoi Hostelers who make running secure meeting grounds their primary business.

>>55333458
Maybe you can end-run around some of these vulnerabilities outside the Arcana. The right Shadow Name or weird Hallow effect could help. Maybe you have a dream-suppressing Familiar and therefore no dreams to invade. Obviously any crucial spell could reside in an Imbued Object or Artifact, especially if it's from an Arcanum you're otherwise not interested in taking. Consider Occultation. Avoid Dream.

>>55332820
>Moros with Spirit
Maybe a bit too rebundant? While Thrysus with Death made me think of spiritual intercessors dealing with both ghosts and spirits like a shinto priest or many shaman types, Moros with Spirit feel like less distinct.

>>55331517

I know that exalted was originally intended as a possible past of oWoD.

i'm wondering more in the case where a character or something from one side is dumped into the other.

>>55333458
Nice

How close is Marvel to the World of Darkness?

I mean there's Vampires, Werewolves and Mages

>>55334210
It's about as far from Venture Bros. as Venture Bros. is away from Marvel.

Two questions. Vampires still take bashing damage from normal sources like fists right?

Second, if you take enough damage to get the stunned tilt and fill up your health bar with bashing damage. If you spend willpower to act that turn will you have a -3 or a -6 penalty to all rolls.

>>55334978
Vampires are immune to stun and knockout effects

>>55335013
>>55334978
As are Sin eaters and mummies

How badly would starting out Demon/s be able to wreck angry 1st edition True Fae's day if they ran into its path in the Hedge?

>>55335013
>>55335032
What about someone who isn't undead.

>>55335545
"Thank you Audrey, I'll have the veal picatta"

Are nonreligious Obrimos the equivalent of paladins believing in ideals?

>>55335728
The Obrimos don't need to be religious; there's nothing inherently religious about the Aether. It's just another way for one to conceptualise a great cosmic Order that responds when you scream the right way.

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>>55335728
Sort of? I mean Obrimos are usually characterized as believing in some kind of order or structure, and believing that that's where their magic comes from. Like Glorianna in 2e, who believes that magic is another form of science, or Khonsu from the Mysterium book, who believes he saw "God" when he Awakened, but it wasn't a god who wants to be our "Big Daddy" but rather provides the entire structure of the universe and leaves us to it, and magic is what you can do when you can see, understand, and manipulate that structure.

How would you change the Prometheans to be Supernal in origin?
Would you replace Demiurges with Mages?
If they are connected to a path, what associations would you make?
My first guess :
Frankensteins - Obrimos
Osirians - Moros
Ulgan - Thrysus
Galateids - Acanthus?
Tammuz - Mastigos?
Zeka - Abyss/Abyss-tainted Obrimos?
Maybe making Unfleshed mere variants of the five types? I never liked that they HAD to be corpses.

>>55335314
One word Knock Out punch

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Hunger, we call it, yet the term is woefully inadequate.

Mortals know hunger, even starvation, but this is as nothing.

The Hunger replaces almost every need, every drive known to the living - food, drink, sex, security - and it is more compelling that all of them combined.

Well, except for power. We still lust for power. So really, we just lust for blood, and power. Oh, and companions. I mean, you can't go 400 years without someone decent to talk to. So just blood, power, companions... and entertainment, did I mention that? Yeah, I mean, you have to find a way to keep busy. All the nights kind of run together with no dawn/noon/dusk thing to remind you. So blood, power, companions, entertainment... actually, forget what I said about security before. That Rotschreck fucking sucks, man. A good secure place to sleep is a must have.

And money. Oh, holy shit, money. Nothing is free, nigga, gotta get that paper.

So apart from blood, power, companions, entertainment, possibly a hobby, a decent and secure place to sleep and five dots in Resources, a vampire has no recognisable mortal desires.

BTW Mina, can you send me more of those Swarovski Crystal Animals? They're just lovely and I can't get enough of them.

Kisses,

Vlad.


--- LETTER TO MINA HARKER FROM VLAD DRACULA, MASQUERADE 1st EDITION

If this shitshow is over: Do any of you play Android: Netrunner? What splat would be best suited to try to run a chronicle set in that setting?

So, I am completely unfamiliar with Mage but...
What faction of Seers would be responsible for absolute shitstorm that we just had to witness in this thread?

>>55337832
Ministry of Unity on both sides with Praetorian and whatever minor ministry of the Prophet there is stirring things up/

>>55337832
An free council member or an apostate who is entirely too easily amused. Or the Panopticon.

>>55337852
The Minor Ministry of Mongs

>>55338214

>>55338218
Well this thread just died for some reason.

Oh for fucks sake mods, i know that the /pol/ posts were off-topic, but we already made a new thread.

>>55339812
Did they really delete that much commentary?

>>55339902
90 + posts.

>>55339913
Thank god for the archives

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>>55339954
Don't even bother, pic related sums it up perfectly.

>>55336051
Looks good to me. I'd give it a 7/10.