/srg/ Shadowrun General

Sorta related but have you guys tried playing without deckers so that it streamlines the game? Was thinking of doing it for an upcoming campaign I might run.

What's spaceflight like in shadowrun?
Is it just shuttles flying between station and planet? Or is there more to it?

>>55285126
It's not a bad choice if you feel like delving into hacking is more trouble than it's worth. I basically ban hackers in game unless the players are willing to read the entire core book and the relevant supplements, and given the amount of lazy fuckers I play with, I toss them an NPC Decker if they need one.

>>55285203
More to it. Corporate Court is at Zurich Sub-Orbital. Evo-Corp has a Martian base overrun with Headcases.

>>55285279
But there's not a lot of spaceships around similar to the expanse?
I'm guessing orbital stations are guarded by some spaceships?

>>55285304
Not a lot. They use space shuttles and planes to move cargo into space. Corporate Court built a mass driver and is currently building a space elevator.

What would happen if someone drank a healing potion created with alchemy (water+heal)?
Would it heal any wounds the person drinking has or would it only heal any wounds the healing water touches?

>>55275849
>The core rulebook i bought in COLLEGE (~6 years ago) is close to losing its binding, but i do everything in my power to only use it at the table and not during prep.
Is you core rulebook the normal one or the collector one ? I have a normal one and took it to a professional for binging right away.

>>55285126
The campaign I'm currently in completely lacks a decker and even a face. Closest thing to anything of a social or mental character is our rigger, but even that's stretching it because he's basically just a hobo living in the backseat of his car, literally speaking.

Needless to say, most runs we get into tend to turn into gorefests pretty damn quickly.

>>55285581
I've been wanting to take the overly complex parts of SR out all together in my games and just focus on RPing. How would you go about doing that?

>>55285126
I once played in a group with nothing but 4 streetsams, who accomplished a surprising lot with violence, theft and threats. We even managed to pull of a datasteal. If blunt force does not solve your problem, you're not using enough of it.

I need a theme for a high profile mission that involves ares, dragons and a conspiracy but I can't think of anything.
Can someone throw some random ideas at me?

>>55285405
Health spells can only be Command, can't make health potions.

>>55285918
But the spell can still be bound to water, right?
What if someone drinks it and the spell is activated after?

>>55285944
Lynchpin would be destroyed by drinking it, so the spell goes poof.

>>55285914
Ares Excalibur Incident. The real reason why it failed because sealed documents show that not only was it extremely effective against the bug spirits, it was also an anti-dragon weapon. The mass-production weapon may have been scrapped and sabotaged. But the original prototype is still out there, and someone is paying top Nuyen to grab it.

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>>55285126
>Sorta related but have you guys tried playing without deckers so that it streamlines the game?
Yes. It's strictly better. Our Face took a hacker-for-hire as a high-Loyalty Contact. Someone we could use as a fence for paydata, electronics, and go to if we wanted tags burned or to be walked through securing our PAN.

On missions where we needed a Decker (whether for an actual datasteal or just to turn some alarms off) we'd hire him on for the run, give him an entire full cut for his services.

His Loyalty and Connection actually went up as we kept bringing him in, and without any of us ever having to lay one filthy finger on a cyberdeck or jump through any digital hoops.

Remember this essential fact. If nobody in your group wants to play a certain role, that's the exact thing that Contacts are for.

>>55285405
>>55285918
I do believe a kraut posted before how in the German books health spells can use contact trigger
So you can have bandages,stickers or in this case potions with Heal that will activate the moment someone touches. Or drinks the water.
>>55285944
If the trigger is Command it won't work. You need LoS for it to activate and being in someones stomach prevents that.

>>55285304
>guarded by some spaceships
Anon, what do you think that outer space combat looks like? Because it's a lot closer to IRL than it is to Star Trek.

Anyone else having trouble with chummer just freezing after selecting gear/mods?

>>55286390
Yeah I get that too. Yekka do you know anything about this?

>>55286390
>>55286521
I know of it, but I can't reproduce it. Gimme more detail?

>>55286642
Whenever I add anything, whether it be skill, attribute, piece of gear, a weapon or a mod to a weapon, piece of clothing or vehicle, theres a few seconds where the program just stutters and says 'not responding'.

I thought it might be some sourcebook overload since I have most of them selected in options but its still doing it.

>>55286642
For me it's most common when adding or removing cyberware, or when I want to change the way I sort my skills to dicepool, but it can happen randomly with just about anything. Chummer will freeze and be Not Responding for ~1 min then it will unfreeze. It's never hard crashed though it always fixes itself.

>>55286704
Seconding the add/remove cyberware, Recent memory cybereyes did it most often.

Still works fine for me; career mode, create mode?

>>55286898
Create mode

>>55286898
Dunno about them but for me its most common when the programs been open a while

Which melee weapons in 5e aren't Strength-based? So far I have chainsaws, monowhips, and electric stun-weapons. I'm trying to make a compact hunter-killer drone, but it's important to know what my options are.

>>55286642
I have the same problem but after some testing it seems to be more common on career-mode saves that have a lot of things added (Karma, gear, nuyen). I don't get the same hiccups when I make a fresh save or access one still in create mode.

What does everyone here think of the alternative Mystic Adepts in Forbidden Arcane? Specifically, how do you deal with/house rule the magic groups, (Conjuring, Sorcery, Enchanting), they have access to?

Semi-officially, they weren't suppose to have Astral Perception as a free ability and must still purchase it as a Power.

tl;dr How do you house rule mysads in FA regarding access to the three magical groups?

>>55287287
An auto-injector with a dose of Narcojet.

>>55285126
My group was mostly meatspacers last campaign. No mages either. It was fun, but from the GM's chair I tried to not dick them over too hard from Astral or Cyberspace. Tried to run 6th world as true to form without cheesing them.

>>55285461
It's the normal first run book. How much did a professional binding cost you? I really do like the book, despite CGL controversy and the fact that I use online resources a ton.

>>55285461
>>55288446
So what exactly is wrong with CGL books? Why so they fall apart?

>>55285750
As with any situation where you go "I want to focus on" - ensure you have player buy-in first.

After that the easiest thing to do is give them twice as many points to spend on contacts at char gen but establish that these points be used on "joke" contacts. Kind of like knowledge skills are separate and can be used for languages or hobbies.

These contacts could be ex-girlfriends, Uber drivers, Comic Book store owner, a Friend on a Matrix VR game, a Deepweed dealer, a grandparent- etc. The idea is to establish your Runners are more than just their job. Have these contacts reach out for favors or even just to hang out from time to time. They won't slow the game down in any significant way either. Don't try and kill any of them in the first couple sessions or you'll lose your players' trust.

>>55288551
I think they're glued, not bound.

I know the basic concepts for Denver, but is there anything specific I should be keeping in mind for GMing a game set there in 5E? I know the Azzies are back.

>>55288159
What?

>>55288624
He intends for you to use your drone to inject obscene amounts of narcojet into your enemies.

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>>55285914
Knight-Errant has a new player in town, a mysterious vigilante who beats Dante's boys to the punch, every time. This vigilante never kills, and has attracted a variety of equally insane rivals into the city. The Mr.Johnson in question is a shadowy black woman likely working with the feds, who believes this vigilante works alongside Knight-Errant and wants proof.

The Vigilante is a bored Dragon

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>>55288835
I got one better for you. He's fighting a dragon to free an A.I from it's tyrannical overlord.

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Anons, last night I looked up on some info about this game, and seems really interesting.

Have played only D&D, what kind of stuff should I expect if I start looking for a shadowrun game, and what kinda of bullshit usually happens for newbies to get fucked?

>>55289001
>What kind of stuff should I expect
>What happens for newbies to get fucked.

Legwork. The place most people trip up coming from D&D is doing their legword. SR5 is very lethal, and it's incredibly important you find out as much as you can about the run before you make your move. Don't forget to scope out physical, matrix, and magical threats.

And have an escape plan if the run goes bad. You can't always know everything.

>>55289001
Newbies forget about perception. Also 1 point in throwing weapons is useful for throwing grenades.

>>55289053
>group of newbies goes into room
>"Everyone, make a perception check."
>everyone fucks up
>"Don't worry, you're fine."
Everything was not fine. First skillpoint i got for karma was fucking perception. Also if you don't have any idea what you are doing, 3 points in edge are nice.

>>55289051
What matrix threats are we talking about?

The security system of a building going nutshit on our runners? The guys with cyber equipment getting their asses hacked? Or what kind of shit? Would a character with no cyber/matrix implants be affected by direct matrix actions?

>>55289125
Usually when that happens you're locked on character thinking "this is fine" but the player's screaming internally expecting ANYTHING to violently blast on them.

>>55289170
>Matrix threats
Yes.

All of those are a concern, and not least is keeping any alarms from calling in Lonestar or Knight Errant on your ass.

>>55285064
post music to sharpen your ammo to itt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSy2DcATYUo

>>55289226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opZ1-rUFYMk

>>55285126
>>55286050

My DM kinda did this. As the Adept I ended up becoming a master breacher. I had battering rams, crowbars, lockpicks, bypass tool, and a a fuckton of explosives.

Without a decker, stealth becomes hard, no impossible, but when shit goes loud it gets f u n.

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>>55289051
>>55289053
>>55289125
>>55289190
Anons, would I be able to SR a lil' old master roshi, all monk/martial artist like, or would I get my behind handed to me the first time we have to fight?

>>55289312
iirc you can get something like 18 to 20 damage on a punch as a human if you build yourself right. I don't actually remember the build though so you're SOL.

>>55289312
If you manage to get a special cyberarm for a laser kamehameha, maybe.

>>55289312
Yeah, Adepts are pretty solid.

>>55289312
You want to make Master Roshi? This is probably an Adept, maybe a Mystic Adept with some ability to simulate the Kamehameha wave. But what does he do that makes him actually good at Shadowrunning?

>>55286014
The Excalibur plotline is one of the most retarded things ever. Especially considering even real life corporations that don't good monopolies don't tank when they release something God awful.

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>>55289346
There used to be the construction laser as cyberarm module in 4e. That thing was pretty awesome

>>55289366
Speaking from the point of view of someone who doesn't have any idea of what shadowrunning actually means, wouldn't prowess in martial arts, unarmed combat, mastery of the metahuman body, and considerable strength be valuable assets for a shadowrunner? That, without counting the level-head of the elders.

>>55289401
All those things are good. It also helps alot if you can convince someone that right at this moment someone has a gun to the head of his 5 year old daughter, so he better play ball or else little Jessica will never get that almost lifelike ponybot she wants so desperatly.

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>>55289508
Oh, so basically you need to be a huge dick in order to shadowrun properly, yes?

>>55289401
>I punch stuff dead
Yeah, any mook off the street can kill anyone else provided they have a gun. Basically yes, you can be the muscle in a group of runners, but unlike D&D you should be able to be self sufficient, or bring enough resources to the table for the game. You can't just punch your way through everything, so you always need to have enough alternative skills/talents/capabilities to solve problems without bloodshed.

Even if you are a combat role, you always can use a few other things on the side to help you get through situations. If you carry visible restricted or illegal gear you can drop a few points into Con to get the cop who happens to see your package off you with a few sweet words. The same words can be used to get inside your target place and give a scout, or to convince the chief of janitors that you are the new arrival and got lost searching for the locker room. You can have a shitload of contacts, basically people you call and offer favors/money in exchange to give you a hand or a clue. You can be a mediocre driver, but one that has a secondary vehicle so the entire party doesn't have to ride in a single easy to spot van.

Shadowrunners are basically a shadow operations team for sale, they are trained killers who do their best to not go in guns blazing into everywhere.

>>55289556
No, you don't have to. You can turn down jobs that cross lines for you.

How many basilisks is enough to threaten a six man party that's fairly competent?
>>55285064
>Have you ever had a game where the system crashed in a wide scale? Did you or your players caused it?
Not yet, but if all goes according to plan the second coming of Deus will be their fault.

>>55289556
It's not about being a dick, it's about doing things in a way the GM did not anticipate in the slightest.

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>>55289562
>>55289590
>>55289508
Boy, thanks. I'll see if I can find some group on Roll20 to run something with and get myself brutally murdered by the SWATs once I mess up the tiniest of things

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So I want to try running pic related (Doppelganger Damacy) in the sixth world.
I would be running it for one, maybe two, players.

How would you go about running this? I was thinking of running it using a rip off of the rules for essence drain/essence loss, with some tweaking here and there.
I would probably run it as 'when you reduce the target to 0 essence or consume the blood (maybe flesh) of a recently dead creature, gain one attribute, skill, quality, spell of the target or assume the appearance of the target.

The only major changes I would make would be:
Allow draining of creatures that do not have the sapient feature. (this would probably be something I would have to determine on a case by case basis, but this should be fine with the low player number and some preparation)

I would like to keep the addiction rules attached to the essence drain, it should add an interesting aspect if they do end up addicted.

The part that has me worried is the starting stats. I'm considering starting the player with a baseline human (2 in all attributes) with skill rating of 3-4 in brawl and maybe a specialisation in grappling, just so that the player has a pool, albeit a shitty one, to work with at the start.

Any tips or tricks you would give me? What should I add (or remove) from the starting baseline?

>>55289556
Don't worry, our decker doctored the footage, jammend his commlink and our face did the rest.

>>55288648
That's not how auto-injectors work.

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>>55289628
Also, this pic might give you a hand.

>>55289628
Generally your character should be able to contribute Pre-Run, Mid-Run and Post-Run.
Example:
>Mage
>Pre-Run: Can scout out places, observe persons
>Mid-Run: Throw magic, summon spirits.
>Post-Run: erase magical traces, clean things up, help with escaping (Movement power or levitate Spell)

>Decker
>Pre-Run: Can gather information through the matrix, get contact details, disable some things
>Mid-Run: Can hack doors, delay alarms, destroy information, steal data
>Post-Run: Can hack street lights, can hack pursuing cars, can erase traces or distract investigators

>Sammy
>Pre-Run: Can gather information through contacts, can get to hard to reach places to plant things
>Mid-Run: Can break open doors, kill guards, provide cover fire, reach difficult places (to e.g. plant a SatLink)
>Post-Run: Can drive the getaway car, can protect against pursuing vehicles

>>55289804
>>Sammy
>>Pre-Run: Can gather information through contacts, can get to hard to reach places to plant things
Don't forget that Street Samurai have the Attributes necessary for some tricked-out sneaking, palming, and perception skills.

>>55289226
Sharpen my ammo? What like my arrows?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62YUGDuQ77c&list=PLXjMUoeOGojlzPKalipf-lkAX-_tjEu4J&index=51

>>55290204
>>55249014

Yo guys i'm in a hurry

Do dual-natured people automatically detect magic being cast around them?

Thanks in advance!

>>55290362
>Do dual-natured people automatically detect magic being cast around them?
Assensing requires a roll, no matter what, but it's super easy to notice.

>>55290367
Do they still see like a grey astral spooge appear?

>>55290378
That depends on their roll on their Assensing test, same as normal Perception. It's not a matter of whether it's visible, but whether they even notice it.

>>55290397
Aight thanks man

If I'm playing a barehanded adept, is improved reflexes 3 a must or should I save the point for penetrating strikes or something? Also, how do you feel about attribute boost vs improved physical attribute? Also on a troll would I use them to improve strength or agility?

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One of my retarded players wants to ride around on a segway. How would you price/stat this foolishness? I'm thinking low top speed but excellent turning. To say nothing of severe social penalties

>>55290857
It's a must. More initiative passes is almost always better than the damage or armor penetration you could get.

>>55290858
segway is stated in rigger 5

>>55290857
>barehanded adept
Make sure you pick up Nerve Strike and turn your fists into Weapon Foci. You'll never out-damage a Street Samurai, but you can get a bigger dice pool.

>>55289669
no one?
I didn't think the idea was bad enough to not even warrant being made fun off

What do you think of vigilantes, /srg/?

>>55290984
So there is. Made by Ares at that. Thanks anon

>>55291279
Chummer, I have never ever heard of whatever DD is

>>55290946
>>55291041
Sounds good, thanks anons.

>>55291363
well, my failing was thinking more people on /tg/ would know about doppelganger damacy.

if you care to, you can read about it on these two threads:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/9010467/
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/9047990/

me, I'm just going to crawl into bed.

Are there any decent shadowrun streams?

>>55294196

Roll4It's Shadowrun campaigns were okayish. Second one suffered a bit due to introducing a new person who wasn't full onboard with the rules and didn't like to listen to the GM

>>55294260
Was that the team with the amazingly incompetent elven face, the M'lady technomancer, the racist troll and the homicidal dwarf?
I only got to the point where dwarf was attacked by a unicorn and ended up getting tasered by the elf while both of them were covered in troll piss for petty reasons.
I am not sure wether the guy would played the elf was actually an idiot or if he was just amazingly good at roleplaying his insomniac character who just stop having any sort of coherence after 4 days without sleep.

>>55294391
Yes, and both for Caber's player. Sadly Splattercat, the Dwarf player, left the cast so I basically stopped watching.

>>55294260
Yeah, it was annoying how the show would come to a screeching halt so the GM could basically tell the decker what to do cause she didn't seem to understand or care about what was happening a third of the time.

>>55295080
And then the fans white knighting for her when anyone called her out on it.

>>55289051
>SR5 is very lethal
We're talking about the same SR5 that explicitly has plot armor as a ready convenience for most players?

Do not spread the legwork meme so much. That's how you get overly-paranoid players who spend eons scoping out a Stuffer Shack.

Which drugs are the best?

>>55295227
>Do not spread the legwork meme so much.
Not that guy, but fuck you. There's a difference between making people overly-paranoid wrecks and giving some solid, basic advice for new people.

>>55295289
>Which drugs are the best?
The best for what? Drugs are like implants - different drugs for different situations.

>>55295294
There's solid, basic advice, and then there's
>DO ALL THE LEGWORK OR ELSE YOU'LL GET A TPK BECAUSE SHADOWRUN IS AN ULTRAHYPER LETHAL SETTING

>>55295300
The top ones for combat and socializing. Maybe drugs for utility that don't fall under those categories.

>>55295227
>Do not spread the legwork meme
This general is shit.

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so, there's this
https://twitter.com/DragonpunkGame/status/906243373455081472

>>55295319
To be fair, Shadowrun is hyperlethal if you approach it like D&D. It wasn't bad advice or paranoia, just a list of things that you'd want to watch out for when doing your legwork.

There was nothing in the advice that hinted at black trenchcoat tacticool operators operating like unnoticed ghosts.

>>55295357
>nothing confirmed
don't care

>>55295357
It'll suck. Remember the last non HBS shadowrun game?

>>55295344
>combat
Jazz is the best combat drug. You don't take any damage when you crash and +2d6 is an incredible buff. Kamikaze is also good - bigger bonuses, but you'll hurt when you come down. Cram is too weak, and K-10 will fucking kill you.

>socializing
Novacoke is amazing, but you'll overdose if you try to mix it with Jazz, since they both boost Reaction. Only do cocaine when you're fairly confident you're not going to be in a fight for the rest of the evening.

Also, everyone - and I do mean everyone - should have some Longhaul on them, just in case. It's not something you'll want to use every day (or even every week) but it lets you pull all-nighters like a motherfucker.

>>55295362
I'm admittedly saltier about this than most because every single game I tried to play in was torpedoed by paranoid newbie players who interrogated the DM about every single detail and turned the pacing to slush, all because they frequented /srg/.

>>55295357
Literally who?

>>55295357
Also they probably should've waited to pitch it until CP2077 comes out and cyberpunk becomes cool again.

>>55295408
Sounds like the problem was the players, sorry that happened omae.

>>55295414
By the point 2077 comes out we'll be living in cyberpunk and nobody will care anymore.

>>55295441
When all of the players talked about frequenting /srg/ and admitted that they had preconceptions about the game built up from the stories they read here, I'm less inclined to blame them exclusively.

>>55295473
Considering what happened with Equifax, it seems like we're already living in a shitty cyberpunk setting.

>>55295477
Yeah and? Their fault for being cowards and not being able to stomach acceptable risk.

>>55295477
Aight. Keep it to yourself at least, then, instead of raging out at good newbie advice.

>>55295510
>tfw just watched Jims video on the Equifax shitshow
My country doesnt have datasteals like yours. The government just sells it all to the chinese like everything else.

CLARIFICATION
TO ALL NEWBIE PLAYERS
YES, PLANNING A RUN AND THE NECESSARY LEGWORK ARE IMPORTANT AND MAY SAVE YOUR LIFE
NO, THE LEVEL IS NOT UNIVERSALLY SET TO 106 SESSIONS LEGWORK/1 SESSION RUN. DON'T BE A GODDAMN AUTIST AND FUCKING ASK YOUR GROUP BEFOREHAND HOW MUCH PLANNING IS TO BE EXPECTED
END CLARIFICATION

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>>55295394
Yup.
It kicked ass.

It was more like, lightly inspired by a story some guy once heard about shadowrun, but as a video game, it was hella cool.

>>55295564
Thats not the last shadowrun game anon. Boston Lockdown was. And it sucked.

>>55295551
Thanks.

Also, don't play a decker.

>>55295551
If I may add to your PSA
DONT COMPLAIN THAT YOUR CHARACTER DOESN'T DO ANYTHING WHEN ALL YOU DID WAS PUT ALL YOUR POINTS INTO COMBAT BASED SKILLS.
COMBAT MAKES UP ONLY A THIRD OF SHADOWRUNS GAMEPLAY. IF YOUR BORED BECAUSE YOU CANT DO ANYTHING ITS YOUR OWN FAULT FOR MAKING A SHITTY PUNCH ADEPT WITH NOTHING ELSE GOING ON.

>>55295551
>>55295633
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT, BUT CRIMINAL SIN IS A TRAP OPTION!

>>55295588
Well, I suppose I just proved your point then.

In the theme of >>55295633 I have a question. I'm making a Gun Bunny adept who is also the wheelman and can do reasonable sneaking to help our infiltrator. Is this diverse enough to not be boring as fuck or should I try and ad something else?

>>55295653
>BUT CRIMINAL SIN IS A TRAP OPTION!
Why is that because I took it for the game I'm going to be in soon

>>55295721
You've got 5+ Intuition for Initiative, right?

Pick up a minmaxed Perception score. That way you can both sneak and do surveillance. You'll be really good at tailing people, casing joints, and stakeouts.

>>55295739
Because it will get you fucked left, right, and backwards compared to literally any other kind of SIN.

>>55295784
How so? The SIN you'll be packing all the time is a fake one anyways, the only time your real SIN will matter is when you're captured, or facial ID'd.

>>55295775
Thats a good idea. I can do stakeouts in my sweet americar.

>>55295739
You are required to broadcast it, and law enforcement agencies have your biometrics. So if you're pulled over while broadcasting a fake SIN and cops are going over your totally legit licenses for your Restricted equipment, you can get fucked.

>>55295797
Criminal SIN means law enforcement has your biometrics.

The nation or corporation that issued the Criminal SIN will keep close tabs on the character, if he fails to update residential information or appears in any way to be trying to evade their oversight, he is subject to arrest. He is also required to pay a fifteen percent tax on his gross income to the entity that issued his Criminal SIN.

And that 15% tax can be a bitch if you're playing a Sammie.

>>55295829
Or you could just instead live off the grid and not pay that money to the corp. It's not like they'll give enough of a shit to kick down your door because you're not paying a piddly 15% of your 10k yearly salary.

>>55295797
Because all of the other SINs are only a problem if you're arrested (because they'll become a Criminal SIN) and because you have to pay taxes. With a Criminal SIN, failure to broadcast a SIN becomes a felony if you're identified. While other SINners can use their SINs to support decent lifestyles, your SIN is strictly a liability where that's concerned. If you disappear for any reason, the cops will come looking for you, because:
>He can expect to be brought in and held up to 48 hours for questioning anytime a crime is committed in his area. The judicial system in 2075 is more an assembly line than institution of justice. Suspects are treated as guilty unless proven innocent, plausible circumstantial evidence is often suffcient for conviction, and sentencing has more to do with the judge’s mood than the crime. In this environment it’s likely the cops will be more interested in closing the case than solving any crime; they may try to pin crimes on the character with the Criminal SIN whether or not she had anything to do with it. Some degree of “adjusting” facts and “interpreting” witness accounts to support allegations is common; fabricating evidence, if only to meet conviction productivity goals, is not rare.

It's just astoundingly, character-wreckingly bad, and yet it gives you fewer points than a Corporate Limited SIN. It should be the highest option on the SIN chart, but, well, there it is.

>>55295843

Again, see how that works out for you when a cop pulls you over to check your licenses. You -do- have licenses for your Restricted gear, don't you chummer?

>>55295849
Since when do cops fucking check your trunk on a routine stop? Yes I do, but unless the cop is being unnecessarily thorough, I'm fine. Also, the fake licenses are tied to my fake SIN.

>>55295848
Again, why not just broadcast a fake SIN?

>>55295889
>Again, why not just broadcast a fake SIN?
Oh, you will. But as soon as you go off the grid, the cops are going to be looking for you, and the first time the cops pull you over for anything they're going to scan your biometrics and enjoy getting pinched for a brand new felony.

It's ruinously bad compared to the other SINs. You're a huge liability.

>>55295927
Why are the cops going to pull me over to scan my biometrics? That's not SOP.

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What is the South Africa/Rhodesia of Shadowrun? A country involved in constant brushfire wars, produces a large amount of mercenaries, etc.

>>55295889
>>55295977

>Cops are part of a megacorp now
>Somehow LESS quota-driven than current year.

Chummer, please. Now you're just pretending to be retarded. Knight Errant and Lonestar don't need a reason, especially if you look shady and are outside the Barrens where you belong. Modern SOP and requirements for probable cause are dead and gone.

And if you stopped transmitting your Criminal SIN, they're gonna know to look for people of your general build and appearance.

>>55295977
>Why are the cops going to pull me over to scan my biometrics?
Because it's SOP. Scanning your biometics is part of a SIN check, which is what's done instead of checking your driver's license in the future.

What's more, the police companies - like Knight Errant - are also the main security contractors for the corps. So, the guys running the MAD scanner and cyberware scanner at the front entrance of whatever place you're planning on burgling this week? Even if you don't get pulled over by the cops on the way there, they're still going to be checking your biometrics on the way through, and you're gonna flag.

It's a big fucking deal.

Now, there's ways around that. You can get a sex change or a race change - that's called out as being something that specifically fucks with biometrics.

But a Criminal SIN is much nastier than a normal one, and it'll follow you more tenaciously too.

>>55296022

Africa, China, Southeast Asia. Carib League to an extent what with all the pirates.

>>55295977
>He can expect to be brought in and held up to 48 hours for questioning anytime a crime is committed in his area. The judicial system in 2075 is more an assembly line than institution of justice. Suspects are treated as guilty unless proven innocent, plausible circumstantial evidence is often suffcient for conviction, and sentencing has more to do with the judge’s mood than the crime. In this environment it’s likely the cops will be more interested in closing the case than solving any crime; they may try to pin crimes on the character with the Criminal SIN whether or not she had anything to do with it. Some degree of “adjusting” facts and “interpreting” witness accounts to support allegations is common; fabricating evidence, if only to meet conviction productivity goals, is not rare.

If you ever stop broadcasting, they're going to come looking for you personally, and everyone who gets pulled over gets a biometric scan. That's how checking a SIN works.

>>55296038
>>55296025
>>55296023
>>55295977

So you may as well just go for a Corp SIN instead. It's marginally less of a pain in the ass, and gives more Karma.

>>55296022
>>55296033
Lagos.

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>>55296033
>Africa
No, Africa is happily united as the kingdom of Wewuz.

>>55296053
>So you may as well just go for a Corp SIN instead. It's marginally less of a pain in the ass, and gives more Karma.
Yes. Exactly.

>>55296067

On paper yeah, but the tribes still fight each other and the corps don't they? It'll take more than a century and the return of magic to get Africa to unfuck itself.

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>>55296082
But anon
>Tfw I can't be a really pissed Afrikaaner from Transvaal who fought in the South African civil war

>>55296022
It will always be Africa. South Africa still has conflict between races and Nigeria is a complete wartorn shithole. According to the almanac there are possibly over fifty seperate kingdoms of various sizes making up Nigeria.

Perfect place for a merc to make his name

>>55296126
I guess I could still try to do the Transvaal Afrikaaner merc then. I think it would in the very least be kind of neat to play someone from the region, as they get very little representation.

so i like SR very much and like being decker
i want datasteal for a living
how i do it pls respond

>>55296156
I'm making one too anon. He's a boer who wound up abandoned on the streets of Lagos and ended up a child soldier for one of the less reputable outfits.

>>55296175
>a boer who wound up abandoned on the streets of Lagos
How the actual fuck did he get there?

>>55296258
His parents are scumbags gunrunners shipping arms to the warring kingdoms and Lagos, as a natural port for everything from legitimate shipping to pirates, was tragically left behind

>>55296158
Play a Technomancer and get some used wired reflexes 3 for a cheap guarantee of plenty initiative passes to do all your hacking.

>>55296277
was where he was tragically left behind*

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>>55296281
i am talking about real life

>>55296277
>His parents are scumbags gunrunners
Damn, they were a longass way from home. No wonder he was fucking stranded.

>>55296291
Fuck off.

>>55296338
Remember folks, never take your kids on runs or other criminal ventures. Always pay for a babysitter.

>>55296343
no iam serious
what should i learn in order to steal data from companies and sell

>>55296393
Fuck off.

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>>55296291
Do this

>>55296291
If you have to ask how to hack, you don't have the drive, skill, or ability to make a living at it. Kill yourself before your parents learn what a disappointment they spawned.

>>55296393
I'd start with capitalization and punctuation. Most IRL hacking is social engineering - tricking people into things, seeming like a legitimate businessman, that kind of thing. Having the worst goddamn writing style I've ever seen will prevent you from doing that.

>>55296411
i am on internet
speaking with basement dwellin vermins
why should i write like if i was speaking with humans?

>>55296399
>I'm browsing in incognito mode
Every time

>>55296445
Fuck off.

>>55296023
Chummer, even in SR, the so-called 'privatized' cops of KE -and- Lonestar get fat paychecks and licenses from the Government. It was a whole fucking plot point that Lonestar lost the contract to Seattle.

>>55296445
Because you came here for advice, which means you're inferior. You could type like a human to show respect, to demonstrate that you have the ability to actually use any advice you get, or to go fuck yourself.

Take your pick, and don't forget to do your homework before school Monday.

>>55296474
And none of that counters or obviates what was said. They still make having a Criminal SIN damn near suicidal.

>>55296474
The point went way over your head there, huh?

>>55296445
HE'S NOT ME
he's just some faggot trying to incite a flamewar here.
fuck off fag

>>55296513
Fuck off.

>>55296513
We don't care. You're both anons posting shit, and therefore shit.

>>55296491
>>55296495
I was responding to his stupid little greentext, nothing more.

>>55296526

They're still parts of megas chummer. They're still driven by profitability instead of any great sense of justice. His greentext is more accurate than your shitposting.

>>55296474
>thinking that sucking on the government teat means a private company is the same thing as a public insitution
Go learn about modern-day private prison companies and then filter that knowledge through Shadowrun's 'dial everything up to batshit levels' filter.

>>55296543
>They're still parts of megas chummer.
And? Seattle doesn't let anyone be cops or start up rival entities, it -has- to be Knight Errant. There's no competition.

>They're still driven by profitability instead of any great sense of justice
Is that the same 'sense of justice' that has modern cops obsessed with pensions and military equipment? It damn well is.

>>55296571
>>thinking that sucking on the government teat means a private company is the same thing as a public insitution
Yes, they are. Same perverse disincentives for getting things done because they can just tax people. Only true privatization counts.

>>55296602
Wow. You're a real fucking retard, you know that?

>>55296621
Retards usually don't. I think he's just shitposting to stir the debate back up since no one will humor his shitty attempts to be a leet haxxor irl.

>>55296621
I accept your lack of argument.

>>55296632
>debate
It's not genuine privatization.

>>55296023
>All cops do roadside bloodtests constantly.
I have cyberarms, and eyes.
Cats don't know how it's gonna' be fuckin' with a nigga' like me

>>55296656
Say hello to the news feed for me.

>>55296654
Fuck off, retard.

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Hackeranon it's easy to be a super l33t hackerman. All you gotta do is make sure you find all the duds so you don't waste your tries trying to figure out the password. You get exp for it too.

>>55296681
Not an argument.

>>55296773
Never argue with a retard.

>>55296803
All I did was point out the realities of the setting itself.

>>55296821
Never argue with a retard.

>>55285304
There are plans for long-distance haulers out to the asteroid belt by a couple of megas (like S-K), but iirc none in operation yet. Mostly orbital space is occupied by a number a microgravity forges at various Lagrange points, and Z-O.

so since this is a cyberpunk game I have a question for you /srg/

how do YOU define being a PUNK

i think its about being ugly. not just physically but mentally and spiritually.

if you were to tell someone about your thoughts to someone and it makes them squirm and that makes you smile if you dress in a way that makes people walk across the street to get away from you.and it reminds you to buy more spikes and chains if you get told to leave class because your ideas aren't right that is punk.

>>55297016
>punk
>spiritually ugly
>yfw there are punk shamans

>>55289312
Mystic Adept with Critter Form (Human) or Increase Body/Strength for his bulk-up.

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>>55297016

>>55288574
In 5e the Free Range Zone is truly free. Ghostwalker literally forced out all the governments who are supposed to have a slice and declared it entirely his. Nobody was in a position at the time to deny him (the Americans tried, but he demonstrated he was willing to burn their whole sectors down to get them gone, so they pulled out), but now they're all plotting on a way back in. Last info we got on it was in Complete Trog, about people trying to make new communities in the shadow of the dragon.

>>55297041
>>55297041
>martin luther is a punk

>>55297016
I feel like the grimy kid dressed all in saggy black clothes in a 90s middle school classroom in the suburbs just wrote this.

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>>55297016
>tripfag
>calling others spiritually ugly

>>55297016
Cyberpunk is weyland yutani fighting mcdonalds using plate armored midgets riding bunrakus with motorcycle handles as pawns.

>>55294196
Corporate Sins by Lauren Bond was enjoyable to me. I didn't like some of the characters, but the cheesy Boston accent on the hacker always made me lose my shit

>>55294196
Are there any decent Shadowrun storytimes beyond the one everyone knows about already?

I prefer reading.

>>55295889
anon, Crim Sim is OK to take if your GM understands you're trying to play the game. Spoofing software for SIN exists. There are methods to circumvent the pain.

>Joe Illegal hasn't moved from his couch for 6 days.
>Oh look. He's somehow teleported several zip codes away...
>Let's send a squadcar over, but easily 4000 others just like him.

If you were the only Criminal it would be oppressive, but the 6th world runs under the thumb of the almighty nuyen, and harassing criminals just doesn't make money. Until it does.

>>55297353
>I have no idea what I'm talking about, the post.

>>55297385
Shadowrun isn't about living in a totalitarian 1984-esque society where governments/corps have ultimate control, knowledge, and initiative. In 1984, the control is total, IngSoc knows everything, they have absolute power. In Shadowrun, the corps don't give a shit what you do because they don't want to be governments, the governments don't give a shit about what individuals do because they have bigger things to worry about, and the world is overall so chaotic that rigorously tracking every person with a crimSIN (nevermind every person with a SIN) would be a task far too monumental.

>>55297457
Yeah, they don't have to actively hunt criminals dumbass. Their incidental power is sufficient that they don't need intent to pop someone with a criminal SIN. We already had this argument, go fuck yourself.

I like to add one or two random knowledge skills that speak to my character's hobby but I'm torn /srg/. Should my hardass, ex UCAS military man be into gardening or stargazing?

>>55297555
Okay you run Shadowrun like you're playing 1984, I'll do it the right way.

>>55297566
>Thinking there's a right way to play Shadowrun.

Okay.

>>55297604
The right way to play Shadowrun is to have fun. You're proposing not having fun.

>>55297618

And you're proposing freeform RP disregard of the power of the Corps. You forget, the problem isn't that the Megas don't have power, it's that they don't pay attention.

Having. A. Crim. SIN. Draws. Attention.

>>55297635
Corps aren't governments. They don't want to be governments. They don't give a fuck about crime, poverty, trash collecting, etc. Even the policing corporations don't give a fuck about that, they just do what they have to to keep contracts which doesn't necessarily mean hunting down every motherfucker around and throwing them in the slammer.

Having a crimsin is yes, bad, but it's not something that perpetually fucks you over.

>>55295477
>telling the table you learned everything from 4chan

That's just autism, don't put the blame on us

>>55297685
>Being tracked down as soon as you stop forking over 15% of your income.
>Not perpetually fucking you over.

It's almost like you don't understand the Criminal Sin quality OR the setting.

>>55297559
Stargazing is easy to justify if he spent a lot of time on campaign with nothing to do but look up, gardening if he liked tending the base and kept it up when he left uniform.

>>55297819
You get fucked over not from active fucking, but from passive fucking. Corporate apathy and nihilism are what hurt the everyday person, not them being hand-wringing saturday morning cartoon villains who get a boner when you mention IngSoc.

I think you don't know the setting very well

>>55298029
I think you're more attached to thinking you're right and 'winning' than understanding what's being said.

Yes, the corps generally fuck over people passively.

Having a criminal SIN turns that into active fucking with the tax alone, much less the incidental issues that attract. CORP. ATTENTION.

>>55297385
> I have no argument
> let me just call him stupid

Go fuck off to a board where you look less retarded

>>55298029
not that guy but crim sins put you in the system and when you fuck up they not only have a reason to chase you down but probably pin shit on you that you didn't do because people are lazy and its easier to say runner schmucktelly killed that baby and raped that lady than it is to do proper police work. So eventually you're infamy is going to get pretty fuckin high.

>>55298029
There's Pink Mohawk, then there's this retardation. Part of what makes the 6th world so shit is how casually cops harass people. Or did you not read the quality:
>He can expect to be brought in and held up to 48 hours for questioning anytime a crime is committed in his area. The judicial system in 2075 is more an assembly line than institution of justice. Suspects are treated as guilty unless proven innocent, plausible circumstantial evidence is often suffcient for conviction, and sentencing has more to do with the judge’s mood than the crime. In this environment it’s likely the cops will be more interested in closing the case than solving any crime; they may try to pin crimes on the character with the Criminal SIN whether or not she had anything to do with it. Some degree of “adjusting” facts and “interpreting” witness accounts to support allegations is common; fabricating evidence, if only to meet conviction productivity goals, is not rare.

Ya fucking mong.

>>55298174
See
>>55298182
>>55298181
>>55297819
>>55297635

You'd have a point if the guy weren't actually saying stupid shit. So yes, he's gonna get called stupid.

>>55298174
It's not that there's no argument omae. It's that the argument has already been made in this thread. Several fucking times now. He's stupid for not reading before posting and making himself look like a faggot that needs to lurk more.

>>55298182
Literally none of that says anything relevant to what I have said. Sure, they'll try to pin shit on you, but it doesn't make you instantly unplayable. And in a sprawl of 17 million or however much it is, there's bound to be many many many crimSINs.

Again, I'm sorry you clearly have no concept of anything.

>>55298259
>If I say no long enough and ignore logic, I win!

Yeah, you win. You're wrong and a fucking moron, but I'm done. Have fun getting assfucked by your GM.

>>55298259
Damn dude, you didn't read shit.

It's not 'try' it's 'will' pin shit on you. Have fun playing your character inside a prison cell or hoping your fellow runners like you well enough to spring you instead of telling you to make a new character that isn't fucked from the start.

And that's on top of the constant 15% nuyen drain that comes with a crim SIN. You think corps won't come after you for nonpayment? They care about appearances, that's the whole reason the use deniable assets.

>>55298276
I have a good GM, so I won't worry.

>>55298300
15% of taxable income. You know what isn't taxable income? Shadowrunning bux

>>55298307
Wrong. 15% of GROSS income. Anything you make, legal or not. As you point out, Corps don't care. They want your money, and they know Shadowrunning exists. >>55298276 is right, you think you can just plug your ears and scream long enough to win through sheer stubborn faggotry.

>>55298325
How do you determine total income if your income is illegal and untraceable?

>>55297826
I think I'll go with stargazing. Who knows maybe one run I'll need to navigate the team to safety old school.

>>55298337
Assuming you can see any through the light pollution. And the normal pollution.

>>55298349
Fucking hawk eye quality son. Pollution wish it could stop me.

>>55298307
>Have a good GM
>Have a GM
>GM

You had me going there. Now I know you're just full of bullshit.

>>55298336
Oh that's simple. When you don't turn up dead and are somehow making rent without a day job, you get a visit. If you're this lacking in imagination and logic, you deserve to try to run with a Crim SIN.

>>55298349
>Not using AR displays of feeds from future Hubble.

Get into the future anon!

>>55298359
Or, you have an unscrupulous landlord. For someone who plays Shadowrun you really don't know how to do even the basic of basic illegal things.

>>55298307
>>55298336

Goddamn son. I don't think you have a good GM at all. I think you're too shit-stupid to tell the difference between a good or bad one.

>>55298380
>Managing to miss the point this hard.

So what, your unscrupulous landlord lets you stay for free or something? Your GM babies you by handwaving away lifestyle costs too? The fuck does your unscrupulous sugar daddy do to keep the cops out of your apartment for you?

If you're a Shadowrunner, never fuck with the IRS.
They have enough reason to hate your guts.

I'd take a dragon over the IRS.

>>55298409
You pay him, he doesn't report illegal cash to anyone. What are you not understanding about this? From there they either just assume you're homeless and never updated the address, or you're rooming it with a generous friend.

And don't go saying they'll kick down your door for that, because if in the functional real world cops don't do that, they certainly can't be assed to do it in Shadowrun.

>>55298365
"old school" navigation probably isn't necessary if you can manage those.

>>55298461
Wow. You missed the point hard.
If you're not broadcasting the criminal SIN at all, you're gonna get fucked. If you are broadcasting your SIN, they can see your residence. And if you have money to pay rent under the table, you have money to pay them.

What about that don't you understand.

>Buh buh buh cops in real life

Don't fucking matter. Warrants don't apply to scum with a Criminal SIN, remember? They'll come kick down your door if someone held up the Stuffer Shack a county over. Read the quality nigga. READ.

>>55298365
Sky Map is pretty great, and it's just a smartphone app. Although I do wonder about the long-term effects of not actually looking at the stars and memorizing the patterns, but just seeing the callouts

>>55298499
>They'll come kick down your door if someone held up the Stuffer Shack a county over.
No they won't, because you're missing the very key point of what makes Shadowrun work as a concept: No one fucking cares. If people cared like you implied they did, Shadowrunning wouldn't exist because you'd actually have stable societies. With the tech of Shadowrun, you'd have crime be far far far far more underground due to just how easy it is to solve a murder, terrorist act, etc.

Criminal SINs are bad if you get caught, or if someone does intensive digging on you. If a store gets robbed, the cops aren't going to instantly zero in on you and say "YOU DID IT" out of the hundreds of others they could do that on. It's just not practical. Sure, maybe if the GM rolls a 1d5000 and on a 1 you're chosen, that's reasonable, but that's far from constant.

You're really underestimating the logistics of everything, and how Shadowrun's societies work.

>>55298226
I think that what's important for him is how his GM runs things. There's an obvious weakness in the balance, but a GM has to design a way to make it a fun choice. It's what a good GM would do anyway.

>>55298499
>you're gonna get fucked
They'd have to get past your Fake SIN first, otherwise it would register as a coincidence of appearance (if they were using facial recognition software).

And even then, you have problems because you're walking around with a Fake SIN which has just been found out. An offence in and of itself.

I mean, otherwise what's the point of a Fake SIN?

>>55298325
look here faggot, the corps can suck my dick, they come knocking, I come with the Krime Kannon. I'm sure your GM is a little bitch , but I make money moves

>>55298576
It was an example anon. There's more than one crime being committed a day that people have to pay for you know. Your odds are much higher and you know that.

>>55298596
Fake SINS work well when the police don't already have a CRIMINAL SIN with your biometrics in their database. Please try to understand the implications of already being in the system. It's what makes having a national or corp SIN a pain, and a Criminal SIN a perpetual drag.

>>55298608
Okay. So you kill the cops and HTR is called. Gret jerb.

>>55298616
>Fake SINS work well when the police don't already have a CRIMINAL SIN with your biometrics in their database.
What, are they going to do fucking roadside bloodtests?

>>55298630

Retinal scans, fingerprints, and yes, in the 6th World they have the tech for roadside blood tests, or even just a quick swab of your moth to check your DNA through shed cheek cells.

>>55298616
>the implications of already being in the system
Yeah, that is an issue.
But you can mitigiate it by avoiding having to give biometric data.

Sure they can read gait, faces, and your tone with little effort, but that's hardly conclusive.

I mean, if they pull you up, you're in trouble.
But you know, exercise some criminal guile.
Avoid looking suspicious.

>>55298651
And they do that standard with every time they pull you over? Why the fuck would cops pull you over to begin with, unless you're already doing something horribly illegal in which case I don't think I'll comply.

>>55298668
>Why would a cop pull you over.

Why not? Cops have their share of power tripping assholes. Boredom happens. Need I remind you they don't need reasonable suspicion or probable cause, especially if you're an orc or troll? Oh, and that bane of corporate run everything: quotas to meet.

And if you're running anything other than your criminal SIN when they pull you over and check you out, you're either going to prison or about to start a cop chase. Or cop killing. I'm sure getting your mug on the news will endear you to your runner group.

Look, I get it. Your GM and your group have tons of FUN playing the pinkest of mohawk games. That's fine. But you need to stop arguing like that's the default for the game and setting.

>>55298660
this retard thinks criminals walk around with a "PLEASE ARREST ME SIGN".

>>55298716
It is though? Most people are D&D transplants. Whatever game you're playing is the minority.

>>55298668
You know you have to be 18 or over to post here, right? You sound like you're 16, but you're shit either way.

>>55298716
>playing the pinkest of mohawk games
But we don't

>>55298753
>Citation Needed

>>55298742
Ironically, that is the intended purpose of the Criminal SIN isn't it?

>>55298742
Look Omae, yes the Police can be cunts, yes they have quotas to meet so they might get a bit scan happy.

Yes, a Criminal SIN is a major liability as it'll trigger off of most conclusive biometric data such as DNA squencing, fingerprints, and facial data unless you've had some work done.

No, it is not terminal for a Runner who is prepared, and avoids putting themselves in situations where the local CopCorp is going to scan them intensively. It just makes it annoyingly hard.

Unless there's some kind of checkpoint or a crackdown, facial data, and a basic SIN check is all that you're going to run into on a day to day basis.
If you're going into a building, perhaps something a bit more intensive, so you'll want fingerprint gloves and some other workd one.
If you're going somewhere especially secure, pay for a Gene-Shuffle so the DNA test won't fuck you over.

>>55298651
Biometrics collection is incorporated into higher rating SIN scanners than KE beat cops carry.

>>55297076
So the districts have free travel and all that now?

>>55298844
Yeah, SIN scanners. They're not scanning what they suspect is a fake SIN since you look similar to a dude who may be hiding a criminal SIN. They're checking to see if your biometrics match any Criminal SINs on file.

Just a liiiiitle bit different.

>>55298791
>>55298756
>>55298753
>>55298668

>The nation or corporation that issued the Criminal SIN will keep close tabs on the character, if he fails to update residential information or appears in any way to be trying to evade their oversight, he is subject to arrest.

>WILL KEEP CLOSE TABS ON

>Will, not might.

Are we done yet?

>>>55298753 (You)
D&D is the gateway RPG.

>I suck Gygaxian scrote

>>55299039
No, they've still got to find you to arrest you.

>>55299188
Anon, do you know what it means to keep tabs on someone? It means you watch them. They already know where you are since you're broadcasting a Criminal Sin. If you stop, that's grounds for immediate arrest.

Now stop being stupid and don't use a Criminal SIN.

>>55299039
So CGL is inconsistent with what they want for Shadowrun's world.

Okay.

>>55299220
No.

>>55299188
Orrr, you can just take a Corper SIN for less bullshit and more bonus karma.

Don't be a faggot and punish your group. Or do, I don't care if you get kicked for being That Guy.

>>55299240
This is only surprising to you if you're a fucking newfag.

>>55299253
You'd think the more problematic SIN would be worth more.
Well done CGL, you incompetent chucklefucks.

>>55299253
OR, maybe you take CrimSIN, and work with your GM to make it work? You know, like you typically do with anything? No GM is going to absolutely punish the shit out of their players for taking CrimSIN.

What is the most reach you can have, 5? 6?

>>55299309
I had a DM try to go full RAW for insomnia and make me roll every night to not actually get lack of sleep damage and shit.

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>>55288446
Not much, chump change really but that might be because I live in a smaller city where a few older people still have their own private offices and do book binding and other book maintenance stuff so they might be just undercutting it to just truck along for a few more years. And yeah, when at the table pdfs are good for a quick search but nothing beats having actual books. Now I wonder if the collector edition is properly bound because since it's well, a collector edition, I don't want to ruin whatever pictures it has by taking it apart.
>>55288551
From what I noticed before I had it bound, the 500 or so pages are simply glued to a sheet of paper that's glued to the cover and binding and you will see the stress of all the pages partially rip a layer of that paper off the binding with time, kind of hanging there. So it's best to have that replaced with a proper binding by a professional and a sewn binding.

>>55295357
>Microsoft
Oh no, not another exclusive.

>>55300165
You'll have to get rid of the Amiga sometime, anon.

>>55297016
Punk is about sticking it to the powers that be. In the 1970s and 80s, in England, that meant bobby pins, chelsea boots, leather jackets, mohawks, and music involving a frightening amount of dissonant chords and shouting.

But punk, at its core, isn't the aesthetic of an old-ass music scene. It's about living a life that the Man doesn't want you to live, and giving the Man an angry middle finger the entire time.

So, in the UK, during the 80s? Punks wore leather and called themselves anarchists, living a sex, drugs, and rock and roll lifestyle in the abandoned factories of what used to be the industrial parts of England. The gangbanging cultures surrounding the East Cost/West Coast hiphop rivalries of the 1980s and 90s in the US, before everyone sold out and moved out of the hood? Where people were saying 'fuck the police' and funding their hiphop careers with drug-dealing? That was punk.

And in a cyberpunk setting like Shadowrun? People living lives hidden from the surveillance state, working as mercenaries in shadow-communities instead of selling out and becoming wageslaves? Sticking it to the Man by taking one corp's money to fuck another corp over, and then switching sides the next night? Humiliating corporations by leaking all of their dirty secrets online, or leaving AR graffiti up and down an entire face of an arcology tower?

That's punk.

Punk is being angry at the Man, and choosing to live a life that the Man doesn't approve of while doing things to symbolically or actively stick it to the Man.

>>55297559
>Should my hardass, ex UCAS military man be into gardening or stargazing?
Gardening. I can't tell you the number of former veterans who come back home and just love doing something with their hands that's peaceful, soothing, and creates rather than destroys, especially if they were in active warzones. Gardening, carpentry - hell, Bob Ross was a military guy who went into painting for exactly that reason.

Plus, if you go the gardening route, the game has rules already for adding a garden or greenhouse to your Lifestyle, and it would be totally believable if he started getting into growing increasingly-potent hybridized strains of weed. Plenty of military folks have gone that route before - doing something with their hands, growing something that helps sooth any anxieties that had, and then before you know it you have a multi-million-nuyen grow-op selling Deepweed to the local wizgang and you really wish it hadn't gotten that far.

Does Shadowrun have any tricked-out, crazy melee weapons? I'm really hoping for some kind of pneumatic/hydraulic power fist.

>>55301877
Monofilament Chainsaw Bayonet.

>>55301877
4e had one as a modular cyberlimb, don't know if 5e ported it

>>55301877
>>55301939
Also check out Gun H(e)aven, Run and Gun for more weapons.

>>55285918
>>55285982
>>55286642
>>55286898
>>55295412
Hey, Yekka? I've got a problem with how Cyberware Bundles (or Cyberware Suites, as they're labeled in Chummer) interact with Adapsin and Burnout's Way.

While Biocompatibility gives the discount as appropriate, Burnout's Way isn't changing the bundle's Essence cost from Standard to Alphaware, and there's no way to change the essence cost to Standard (Adapsin) despite the fact that Adapsin would certainly apply.

>>55302625
Burnout's Way isn't automatic. Are you selecting the Standard (Burnout's Way) grade?

About to start my first shadowrun campaign soon guys. any tips, either mechanical or roleplaying? i have no idea how to design runs too.

>>55303016
What edition?

>>55303029
5th

help me out /srg/

i want to build a runner who fancies himself the second coming of King Arthur, here to deliver England from ruin. How should I go about building him?

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>>55303056
Okay, first thing: Go into the OP Pastebin, download the GM Advice PDF and READ IT
Second: In the OP Pastebin is a link to a mediafire. It contains all the books
Third: Get yourself Chummer5. Link is in the OP. Developer posts as yekka (the one above your first post)
Fourth: In the mediafire is a folder named "Hayek Sheets" GET THEM
Fifth: PDF related is a flowchart for the matrix. It's not that good. You'll be fine with Simplifying it or leaving it to an NPC while you learn. AND YOU HAVE TO.
Sixth: What CharGen Method do you use, what time, what place?

>>55296022
The Balkans chummers, Never forget the balkans
Not too far from proper civilization but still full of warlords and mercenaries.
Fight proxy wars while Paris being an hour away on your discount MiG-31

>>55301611
>People living lives hidden from the surveillance state
Shadowrun's societies aren't surveillance states.

>>55303103
Before that, if you don't mind me asking, I have a question for that type of outlandish concepts:
>Why did your character chose to be a Shadowrunner?

>>55303324
Man, wut? Every Corp and every semi- functional government has a metadata mining program that makes Google look like a freshman compsci project. There are cameras on every building and every traffic light running facial recognition software, matching people and what they're doing to their SIN profile. It's all about gathering that intel so corps can decide what thing to market next, what demographic is buying what right now, and what everyone else is doing so you can come up with a competing product.

>>55303324
Yes. Yes it fucking is omae. The only thing that keeps it from being full 1984 is that the corps don't share info with each other.

>>55302912
The grades are no longer selectable once it's part of a Bundle. Are you saying I have to Bundle it with modifiers pre-included?

>>55303533
Yup. I'll have a ponder about a way to re-implement it to behave.

>>55303324
Haha, what?

Jesus Fucking Christ
I can't wait for the global SIN registy to kick so you can all shut up

>>55303549
Okay. That's real kludgey, but as least I can wring some functionality out of it.

>>55303497
>>55303523
>>55303551
>Playing Shadowrun past the 2050s
See that's your problem, you're past the real cyberpunk era of the setting.

>>55303557
The SIN system is really badly designed. If they kick it, would the gameplay change all that much? It seems like a lot of inconsistent hassle for minor effects.

>>55304180
It would completely remove a lot of the ID/police state/anonymity aspect of the game. Which would basically bring the setting into full-on anarchy.

And if you think SINs weren't prominently featured in 2e and 3e, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>55304180
Yes, because having a Criminal SIN means being tied to a metal chair in your underwear at 3am when some 'Weener knocked over a convenience store in your block is minor hassle.

>>55304229
But there is no anonymity, If the system works as described in the books and the public cctv shit as as bad as described in the books, then there is no way running would work. anyone having a sin with a rating <6 should be in lockup after a week.

>>55304440
>anyone having a sin with a rating <6 should be in lockup after a week.
why that?

>>55304454
Because facial recognition is too smart to be fooled like that. You'd need to get your face rearranged everytime you get a new sin.

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Rate my criminalSIN runner lads

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>>55303549
How much longer must I wait, Yekka?

>>55304440
Shadowrun's setting isn't very thought out? You don't say.

>>55304601
If you came into my group with that, i'd probably shoot him in the head the first time he causes trouble.

>>55304601
3/10
Focus too much on combat and physical skills, virtually useless outside of runs.
Only useful skill is outside of combat is tracking.
I'd honestly make you redo your character because I have had too many adepts complain they don't get to do anything outside of combat.

>>55304440
>anyone having a sin with a rating <6 should be in lockup after a week.
To be fair, that would be very expensive. Much cheaper to just let them run around as long as they don't piss of anyone off too badly.

>>55304601
>Wilderness
>no subsistence hunting gathering

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>>55303639
>Been playing since 2nd ed.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY. Corps and governments have been poking their noses into what people are doing since before the crash of '29. And every time they got to rebuild the Matrix, they gave themselves more and more access.
A hyperconnected society with almost no regard for individual liberties has been part of the setting since the start. Corporate demographic studies have been paydata as long as I can remember. It was about living in a surveillance state since before "surveillance state" was a thing.

What's the best sum to 10 for a Face Adept?

>>55304830
What Metatype omae?

>>55304522
AFAIK it's like this
Fake SINs are artificially made entries in databases all over the globe, with rating being an indicator of how well made these are (higher rating means that more places have info about them, so it seems more legit)
When your Fake SIN is scanned it basically sends a request to all connected databases "Do you know this person?". If your SIN holds that means that no obvious discrepancies were found, it still thinks that you have a real SIN. If not it finds these errors and discards them, saying "Nope, seems it doesn't exists" And flags the SIN for deletion (fake data basically). This means you are treated as a SINless
When you have a real SIN it means that your current data are set. If you then get held up and scanned it still asks the databases it has access to if it knows you. If it fails then it means that it found the Fake SIN and missed the real SIN, leaving you scot-free. IF it wins then it says "Wait. There are two entries with the same data, but one of them is higher. Must mean the other is a duplicate." And tells them your real SIN. This is shit since you haven't been broadcasting your SIN which is forbidden. If you are scanned by someone from the place you got your SIN from (Government for National SIN, relevant Corp for CorpSIN) they are far more likely to find your real data.
A Criminal SIN means that yes, you can try not to broadcast your real SIN and instead broadcast your Fake SIN. But each law enforcement agency has you in their Database, which means that they are VERY likely to find your actual SIN during the scan. Which is REALLY shitty for you since not broadcasting a Criminal SIN is a felony.

How well this is implemented Crunch wise is something I can't really comment on, but this is AFAIK the Fluff explanation

>>55304897
I don't really care. Human, Elf, it's all good to me.

>>55304830
Human Face Adept
A-Attribute
B-Adept
B-Skill
E-Metatype: Human
E-Nuyen

Elven Face
A-Attribute
B-Adept
C-Skill
D-Metatype: Elf
E-Nuyen

>>55304912
D/C/B/B/D or D/B/B/C/D are my usual Elf/5 Edge Human spreads. C skills as a face is doable, but you won't be able to do much else besides being the face. But, C attributes means having to sac STR for CHA, and maybe LOG for INT. Or you could go full poverty mode with Resources E and have B for both.

>>55304522
They're not actively looking for anyone other than the Criminal SINs.

>>55305032
How the heck do I grab tailored pheromones 3 with E Nuyen?

>>55305088
>but you won't be able to do much else besides being the face
That's what I'm aiming for. Commanding Voice, all the face powers, go full-in on being a Face not just out of combat, but in it too.

>>55305105
IIRC there was some rule in 5e that Tailored Pheromones do not stack Adept Powers, or that Commanding Voice does not work with it, something like that. But I could definitely be wrong.

With the skill points from Adept B, you should be able to get away with Skills C then. Take incompetent (firearms) if you're brave enough.

>>55305175
>IIRC there was some rule in 5e that Tailored Pheromones do not stack Adept Powers, or that Commanding Voice does not work with it,
Wasn't that already the case in 4E?

>>55303118
2070s, prirority, shanghai. Why is learning the Matrix required I heard from other anons they got along just fine by never playing with any deckers in their group.

>>55303492
probably for the money since he realized he needed cash to wage war against the corps. i hadn't really thought about it much honestly it was just a build concept.

>>55305349
its more referring to players not using it to speed up the general flow of the game
Security Spiders would still be a thing, Wireless is all around and some actions are must for everyone.
Are you gonna ignore Matrix Search and Perception? What about your street sam running constatly with wireless on his wired reflexes, reaction enhancers and smartlink? Does he get the bonuses with no risk because you do not want to learn the rules?

>>55305349
A) Because you should learn how tiresome it is
B) Seeing something is useful in trying to make it better
C) >>55305463

>>55305349
I saw you in gamefinder. Why not go with something simpler, like Seattle?

>>55305463
Yes. Wireless bonuses were a mistake.

>>55305575
literally. The guy who originally wrote them didn't know the matrix rules and IIRC Hardy then changed them wildly

>>55305463
>What about your street sam running constatly with wireless on his wired reflexes, reaction enhancers and smartlink?
We made a houseruled routing implant, because wireless bonuses are stupid.

>>55305759
You mean like internal router? An actual piece of cyberware?

>>55305818
jup. Alternativly an implanted commlink or an oldschool datajack can also do the job.

>>55305818
Yes, except not an overcosted essence drain. Fucking cyberware already has to hook into your brain and nervous system. Wireless bonuses and extra hardware to use them are a complete fuckup.

>>55305818
Internal router should have been nothing more than errata doing away with the stupid wireless requirement entirely.

>>55305175
You're wrong.

>>55305337
Nope.

The only situation where TPs don't apply is when you don't share an air supply. A respirator, divider wall, or conference call renders them moot - as does trying to interact with something non-biological like a spirit or an AI.

>>55305941
>Tailored Pheromones: The subject’s body is altered to release specially designed pheromones to subtly influence others. Tailored pheromones add their rating as a dice pool modifier to Charisma and Social Skill Tests. This bonus has no effect on magical abilities and tests.

Literally the 4E 20th anniversary wording. Get rekt faget.

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>>55305889
Wireless isn't a requirement. It's an additional bonus on top of the certain cyberware that uses it, that uses new technology and interconnectivity to grant extra advantages, while also serving the metapurpose of letting your team's decker take over enemy cyberlimbs, which is what every decker player ever wants to be able to do.

>>55306024
It's literally a requirement to max out your abilities, even on hardware that didn't need it a single edition ago. It's really stupid and you're better off handwaving the matrix bullshit entirely.

>>55306024
>also serving the metapurpose of letting your team's decker take over enemy cyberlimbs, which is what every decker player ever wants to be able to do.
Which would be sort of nice if the rest on the table didn't have to wait so goddamn long until the technomancer with his spritesquad and the enemy decker duke it out.

>>55306024
True but back to the original question about actually learning some matrix rules.
Suppose we ignore the wireless bonuses and lets go into benefits you get. For example sharing comms, video feed, sending files in an instant, placing hidden cameras to gather information, getting into enemy feeds and others.
All this is stuff that you can get with wireless with no option to stop or spot you since the gm would not know how the matrix rules work.

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>>55306046
To get absolute peak performance, yes; it's not a requirement to use the cyberware, though; if you're trigger that badly by the thought of wireless, you can turn it off and be fine in 90% of circumstances. And, to put it simply, this isn't last generation's technology. Processing power is outsourced. IRL we used to have way better systems in place for local data storage and secure backup; now people and companies put everything on the cloud, despite the proven security issues, because the ease of access and other benefits are worth the losses.

It makes total sense for the people in charge of the Matrix, who are also the people who design and sell the cyberware, to set up the system in their favour and not for the convenience of criminals.

>>55306141
But there's literally cyberware that should still work the exact same way it did in 4e in 5e. I don't really care about your stupid moralizing, the mechanic is stupid and anyone who doesn't just give wireless bonuses without any strings attached is an idiot.

>>55306163
>>55306141
Honestly, the concept would be fine by me, if matrix actions were better integrated into normal combat. The way things are now is just abysmal.

>>55306163
>moralizing

Not what that word means, but given you have trouble grasping basic concepts like the idea that people design things differently given years of development and entirely different matrix protocols it's not a surprise your English is shaky.

>>55306225
>moralizing
>comment on issues of right and wrong, typically with an unfounded air of superiority.

>IRL we used to have way better systems in place for local data storage and secure backup; now people and companies put everything on the cloud, despite the proven security issues, because the ease of access and other benefits are worth the losses. It makes total sense for the people in charge of the Matrix, who are also the people who design and sell the cyberware, to set up the system in their favour and not for the convenience of criminals.

>>55306236
That's not an issue of right or wrong, though. It's about risk vs. reward. Holy shit, how badly did public education fail you?

>>55306201
>if matrix actions were better integrated into normal combat
Ends of the Matrix?
I know that Brainhacking triggers you, but you can at least copy the way that everything is coupled

>>55306263
It's a stupid preachy comment about how it's oh-so-realistic. Better, moron?

>>55306263
You didn't read what he wrote at all, did you?