MTG modern general

First for Ponza.

Second for Ponza too, fuck it.

So after realising that Knightfall is the king of midrange decks and getting swept by unfair decks at my LGS, I've decided to mainboard 3 Geist of Saint Traft. God he shits all over everyone's dicks when they aren't playing fair.

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missed the thread change.

I'm building a deck with the archaeomancer and peel from reality combo and was wondering how the interaction changes when i place a dismiss into dream on the battlefield. do i get back my archaemancer while the opponents creature is exiled or does peel from reality fizzles

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LOL

>>55193235
I wouldn't think it would fizzle since it still has a legal target in your Archaeomancer.

>>55193235
You still get your archaeomancer back since it is still a legal target. A spell that targets is only countered if all of the things it is targeting become illegal

>>55193827
Finally it's worth more than cardboard.

>>55193827
>People are actually falling for this meme

>>55193195
What the hell is an unfair deck that doesn't beat a 4 turn clock on turn 3?

>>55194582
With Noble Hierarch it's a 3 turn clock on turn 2. And the deck runs Spell Queller as disruption.

>>55194626
Yeah point still stands.

what do you all think of UW control as an archetype?

>>55194881
I keep wanting to add red for Lightning Bolt and Lightning Helix
But I also really enjoy keeping decks two colors.
I like a build with Restoration Angel much more than Geist of Saint Traft. The deck is more like midrange tempo once you start building around Geist of Saint Traft.

>>55194881
I'm happy that Modern has a popular control deck again, but also somewhat disappointed that it happened on the backs of a bunch of powerful Planeswalkers and not a counterspell reprint or something a bit more traditional.

4 Gurmag Angler
4 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
2 Tombstalker

3 Duress
3 Blackmail
2 Wrench Mind

4 Sign in Blood
4 Succumb to Temptation

4 Smallpox
4 Dismember
3 Mutilate

23 Swamp

3 Hex Parasite
3 Bile Blight
3 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Corrupt
2 Haunting Echoes
2 Lost Legacy

>>55196171
new meta buster boys

>>55192985
I'm prone to punting and need to git gud. Should I force myself to play a hard deck to make me learn from my mistakes, or find a deck that is forgiving of mistakes.
I don't want to spend a lot. Could I use this deck to try to dissect things? I already have the non-budget lands, so I don't need to downgrade the manabase. Unfortunately I have no plans of buying Chalice because 1) Chalice is degenerative 2) it's really expensive 3) I want to git gud. 3 also applies to Leyline of Sanctity.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-98-28-tix-nevermore-modern

Any other deck suggestions?

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>>55192985
>playing
Bant Spirits. Getting retired soon. Spellqueller can't hit anything worth it in my meta.

>hating
The increase of green rampy stuff for reasons above.

>brewing
Counters Company to feel more competitive and recycle some CoCo and Nobles. Skred to play Chandra, Waifu of Defiance.

Anyone playing the above or willing to give me some insight?

What are some cards in Jund/Junk to hate on Valakut?

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>>55193827
I warned you about the price spikes bro

>>55198408
Fulminator Mage
Avalanche Riders
Aven Mindcensor

One day we'll get a lost legacy type card that hits lands

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>>55198507
That'd be neat. Crumble to Dust is neat but non-red could use some tech.

Pic related sortof does that, so the effect hitting lands doesn't seem to bother WotC.
Until then, just jam Quarter/Surgical and pray that they play one out

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>>55198408
Junk might be able to run this. Double white is tough, though.

>>55194582
It's not like Bant can really do much else. You don't have hand disruption, and counterspells aren't really worth playing.

>>55196171
>6 delve cards
>Zero way to feed your own yard

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She sure is. I have 13 guardian of thraben and 6 heretic cathar in decks atm.

>>55192985
>playing
Counters Company. The deck is so good. Haven't lost a modern tournament at my store in over a month.
>hating
Nothing. GDS is the hardest match up, but it's still winnable.
>brewing
Either Genesis Wave or Tooth and Nail.

>>55192985
>not the translated edit

>>55201256
Please share

>>55193024
>>55193046
Had to look up ponza. At the risk of continuing to look stupid, how is Mwonvuli Acid-Moss getting cast on turn 2 with this decklist?

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gplil16/deck-tech-its-a-ponza-scheme-2016-08-28

>>55201677
Turn one forest, arbor. Turn two land, utopia sprawl on untapped land. Tap it for two mana, then untap and tap it again.

Thought it was a mistake at first desu. I looked at the list twice.

So in a burn vs burn matchup, where burn deck B is mainboarding a playset of helixs, which deck is favored to win? How important is an eidolon in the match?

>>55201988
Eidolon hurts both sides. I'm not going to go break out a spreadsheet for it but all else being equal, I'm sure helix especially gives an edge as it establishes a 6 life disparity, requiring another spell for the first burn deck.

However I get fucking shit on by burn because I run a ton of fetch and shocks so I might not be the best source.

>>55201677
T1 Land, Arbor Elf
T2 Land, Utopia Sprawl, make 4, Garruk Wildspeaker, +1, Utopia Sprawl, Blood Moon

;-)

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Built a pretty standard burn deck with the new rakdos vexing devil + Claim to fame combo with some minor adjustments. Wanted Mardu for the white sideboard cards. Opinions?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/burn-deck-constructing/

I can't afford arid mesa.

>>55201904
>>55202539
thanks.

>>55202656
I'd cut lavamancer, both helixs, and a searing blaze for a playset of boros charms. Or maybe a 3/1 split with charm and a deflecting palm mb.

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Hey guys. Since goyf is at an all-time low price I decided to get a playset.

What are some good decks that still use it?

>>55202816
Yeah lavamancer seems kinda slow. I liked the helixes for the life swing in case I get matched up against another burn though. Helps to offset some of the fetch/shocks while being able to act as instant emergency removal. Any particular reason why boros charm other than the obvious ones?

>>55202829
Abzan Delirium or GB Delirium splashing White
>LotV to help you get Delirium
>Grim Flayer to filter your draws and stock your graveyard
>Lingering Souls as a safe discard option
>IoK and Thoughtsieze
>Damnation/Wrath of God (or Flaying Tendrils for a less double-edged sideboard wrath)
>Delve creatures
>Path and Fatal Push
>Bitterblossom to discard for Delirium or create chump blockers
>fucking Siege Rhino
>White hate cards and Disenchants

Your deck may not be as good without Mishra's Bauble, though, and that thing is fucking expensive.

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does anyone else think this card is underrated? I feel like forcing your opponent to attack with mana dorks and give you a 3/4 is pretty satisfying.

>>55202656
-2 Helix
+2 Ararka's Command

You've got a lot of dudes, and the bushwhack effect on the command plus the skullcrack is pretty solid.

>>55203010
I'd need some stomping grounds then. Is helix really that bad? I know people say it's one of the weaker cards in the burn line-up but I feel like people underestimate how game changing getting some of the life that you've fetched or shocked away can be.

Maybe I'm just too paranoid about tossing out too much life and getting killed by a flying + galv blast or a shadow.

4 Ichorclaw Myr
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Phyrexian Vatmother

4 Dismember
4 Victim of Night
4 Mutilate

4 Blackmail
4 Duress
4 Wrench Mind

2 Phyrexian Arena

22 Swamp

>>55202999
It was fine in limited, but in any other format you can't really waste a removal slot on a spell that's not guaranteed to work, and doesn't get things off the table immediately. Plus it's wholly useless as removal for any big creature that your opponent is attacking with anyway

>>55202890
I'd run them in the sb since not every deck you go against will be burn. And no secret tech reason to run charm, it's just great.

>>55203095
Feel free to stop anytime now

>>55202901
Thanks. Which delve fatties would you choose? And isnt de that kind of a nombo with goyf?

>>55203190
Got it. Modern community doesn't like helping new players.

>>55202999
They would just tap the mana dork every turn.

>>55203095
Obligatory fatal push suggestion. Inquisition of kozilek is strong too. If you're going to run infect, run lashwrithe

>>55203198
I believe this is the list. It uses Tasigur. The one I've played against uses Tasigur, but it also had Flaying Tendrils in SB.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-abzan#paper
Don't know if I would recommend Liliana's Defeat in SB, but depends on your meta. In a month the card may be relevant when the Planeswalker uniqueness rule goes away.

>>55203290
Inquisition has dropped; I'll check it out. Fatal Push is nice, but a bit pricey. Lashwrithe is a good idea. Thanks!

>>55203339
Also consider nighthawks/gifted aether born in side versus creature heavy decks. Shizo, deaths storehouse is a neat land, but you should also be running ghost quarters for disruption.

If you don't like fatal push, dismember is okay usually.

is modern fun yet?

>>55203417
Would Nighthawks/Aetherborne just be a rattlesnake to deter attacking? Also, I like Fatal Push, I just don't know how much I want to invest into the format.

What's the point of changing the planeswalker rules? were planeswalkers really fucking held back by the old rules? Is that what wizards is trying to sell us?

>>55203494
More design space if they allow nonlegendary planeswalkers to theoretically exist.

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>>55203441
Nighthawks are basically your way to deter aggro decks. No one is going to swing into it, even if they can pump over it. They're forced to remove it. Also you can sneak a lashwrithe onto one mid combat to gain tons of life for free.

Have my "secret" mono black tech.

>>55203558
Bad Moon is nice, too. Not many decks run Enchantment removal, right?

>>55203432

Yes. You can pretty much play whatever the fuck you want. Even infect is sort of making a small comeback

>>55203509
>nonlegendary planeswalkers to theoretically exist
I'm pretty sure that would be the worst decision they could make.

>>55203579
The thing is bad moon is outclassed by other cards. The best part is if most of your stuff has 4 toughness, that's the magic number in modern. Versus red decks, most can't/don't often deal more than three, so it makes your stuff take two cards to remove. In a deck with a won of 1-for-1s its simply best to make them spend more cards than you to survive. Then you overwhelm them.

>>55203615
One of the new Jaces makes nonlegendary Jace tokens.

>>55203432
ye it's pretty good right now

>>55203622
Crusader has protection from red, and Vatmother has 5 toughness, so Bad Moon wouldn't be too relevant for defense outside of sided Nighthawks.

>>55203626
Couldn't they have accomplished this under the old rules by just removing the JACE type from the planeswalker tokens?

>>55193827

Oh my god it actually fucking happened. I have two of these, I guess I should have bought a playset. I guess people will play a bad Sol Land if it means getting to play planeswalkers faster.

>>55203734
I didn't even read vatmother. IT'S SO GOOD. There must be a black pump card I'm forgetting.

>>55196171

>Haunting Echoes

I managed to play this twice, it was absolutely hilarious.

>>55203791
Boon of Erebos?

>>55194881
I legit think it's a bad deck but It's fun to play control instead of aggro flavor 542

>>55203834
That's a good side versus destruction. I really like that card.

How's your sideboard fellow burn players? Thinking about running the following next time at a bigger tournie:
3 Firewalker
3 Path
2 Rip
4 Revelry
2 Palm
1 Volcanic Fallout

Mountain art of choice?

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>>55203993

>>55202656
What's the course of that gif? Looks dope

How hard would it be to turn my foil M17 Tarn into two nonfoil ones from m17? There's like a $15 difference, right?

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>>55203993
Sb seems ok, I personally run 2 blessed alliance for fatties tho
Best mountain coming through

>>55205609
Only plebs think the recent full arts are actually good.

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>>55203993
Are there any good toolbox decks since pod has been gone?

>>55206060

> Only Plebs think any full arts are actually good

Fixed that for you.

>>55202901
>Grim Flayer
This card is unplayable unless you want to fill your deck with cards that don't do anything. Dark Confidant is easily ten times better.

>>55203615
This will happen in the Return to Return to Ravnica, guaranteed

>>55203601
I've been testing it and having moderate success. It's not nearly as bad as its tournament statistics report.

>>55203601
I've been testing it and having moderate success. It's not nearly as bad as its tournament statistics report.
I've been playing a fairly old list but I'm curious if pact of negation would improve the deck at all

>>55206444
Pact would probably make Infect at least a little bit better but it still wouldn't be nearly as efficient as Git Probe was.

>>55203558
I'm not understanding how you sneak it on mid combat. Could you please explain?

>>55206678
The problem infect faces right now is whether it wants to play an all in strategy like it used to, where it rushed down as quickly as possible, or more slow, like it did when twin was still around, where it would run cards like serum visions and wild defiance and try to chunk them down and burst when the opportunity arose
With all the grixis shadow it's pretty hard to play the all in line, and that's a pretty hard matchup for the deck regardless of which way it wants to play
if shadow was gone though the deck would probably be tier 2

>>55204355
It's garbage don't bother. It's from that weird noah's ark movie, but that gif is the only good thing to come of it.

>>55206840
Damn, that's a shame.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-08-17-IeQ-boros-burn/

Too poor to go Naya so here's my Boros burn. No goblin guides cause I'm poor and using Satyr cause I'm in a creature heavy meta. How'd I do? What should I change? Been fooling around with the sideboard and still don't know what I should change?

>>55207212
>Too poor for Naya
literally the only card you should be splashing for is Destructive Revelry. Get yourself a stomping ground and you'll be fine.

>>55202656
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/burn-deck-constructing/
-2 Rift
+1 Bump
+Spike

>>55207240
It's the lands man, puts it up another 100 bucks for me cause of canada land funbucks

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Started in Avacyn Restored, but only now have I finally realised the euphoria that comes from using old artwork that actually looks like a piece of art. I went for matching rules text boxes too, more or less.

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>>55201988

Mono Red v Red/White = R/W
R v Red/Green = R
R/G v R/W = R/W unless skullcrack/AK magic

Red/white is usually slower than RG but runs less creatures and has a better sideboard. RG has an entirely acceptable sideboard and is the most aggressive. Mono Red's sideboard is abysmal but it wins the "mirror" G1 half the time due to fetches alone. Three color is great but it requires fetches and other burn decks are likely to punish you, and you often outright lose to monored which is a little embarrassing to watch.

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Is this a good sideboard card for burn against leyline?

>>55208598
Who are you targeting with your burn spells to get the trigger?

>>55207514
the last time in a long time the lands looked good was the first Tarkhir set. I applaud you for your good taste in lands.

>>55208609
Myself or creatures

I get laughed out of last modern thread for asking about infect, this modern thread all about infect. Fuck you tg fuck you.

>>55202999
it would be playable if he had Flash

>>55208611
Hey, the original mirrodin lands are pretty cool

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>>55207514
i trust you also use the onslaught versions for your allied fetches

>>55209356
Nope ;^)

>>55192985
Where is Standard general?

>>55209503
dunno, dont care. come over to the better format man.

I'm torn in between which will be my second Modern Deck (my first on is UW Control).
Considering my budget, the Decks i found were:
- Boros Burn (without Arid Mesas (in the moment (can use them in the UWR Tempo/Control later on (instead of S.Tarns)))
- Eldrazi&Taxes (the Deck, even with 2x Dark Confidents, costs less than 300€)
- UR Gifts Storm (would buy Polluted Deltas instead of Scalding Tarns, and share the Flooded Strands between the 2 Decks (would probably buy Scalding Tarns later in order to also allow UWR Tempo/Control build))
- Bant Knightfall (would still need to save and extra 100€)
- Titanshift (also need to save a bit more).

Considering this Decks, which I enjoy them all (every has their ups and downs), which would be your opinion?

>>55209719
It doesn't matter which red fetches you run in Burn.

>>55209828
Usually Burn runs at least 10 fetchs, but in the meanwhile would only get 4x Wooded Foothills and 4x Bloodstained Mires.
Would get the other 2 later on.

>>55209907
If you don't run Lavamancer and trim down on the number of Searing Blaze you can make do with less.

>>55205609
Looks like shit.
Why would people put that crap into their decks?

>>55207514
>>55208611
Commander 2016.
Check the lands and tell me they're bad.

>>55210743
Not those anons but the guay lands were all pretty cool.

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>>55210708
i know,
pic related is miles better

>>55209503
I don't think there has been one in almost a week.

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I cant handle all the anti DSG tech and decks that are going around MTGO and irl magic. Whats a better deck for this meta Jeskai or EldraziTaxes? Eldrazi has a lot of tools for the meta, but seems a bit too fair. Jeskai also seems good but idk if its just a popular meme since it beats up DSG

>>55210775
Loveless is such a good album holy shit.

And the answer is that there is no answer. There's no specific "metagame" going on, just variance playing itself out. Play whatever the shit you want.

>>55210775
>anti DSG tech
There really is no better feeling than curving Rest in Peace into Runed Halo on Shadow against GDS.

I would play Jeskai, although not the meme Queller version. Either traditional UWR Geist or Wafo-style UWR Control.

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>>55210758
The Mark Poole ones too. Both sets of lands are amazing.
>>55210760
Don't like it but it's interesting at least.

>>55210872
>M15 border
Has Tyrone finished with your wife yet?

Which server should I join if I'm using Cockatrice and I've never played MtG before, and I just want to practice using an Intro Pack list to see if I like the game and want to get into it? There's four of them listed and I'm not sure which one is the most appropriate to sign up on.

>>55210918
Don't use Cockatrice if you've never played before.
Use Xmage.

>>55210894
I bet you're one of those autists who can't stand cards with white border too.

>>55210934
What's a .jar file?

>>55210965
They don't bother me. I dunno what it is about the Modern and M15 borders, but it feels like the art inside them is never worth looking at. Even the Guay ones above feel detracted somehow by the frame.

>>55210996
I can't even notice the difference.

>>55210934
XMage's UI is awful and I'm permanently turned off of the game because of it.

>>55211547
Not any worse than MTGO or Cockatrice.

>>55210986
If you genuinely don't know it's a file type associated with Java.

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>>55210986

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>>55200452

>>55211608
It's certainly worse than MTGO

>>55211608
MTGO is leagues ahead of any other online MTG software. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't actually used it and just mimics memes.

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>>55209478
you have come a long way, but you still have far to go

>>55210872
art is pretty but the border makes it really hard to enjoy them on the whole

>>55210965
M15 border is literally the worst one.

>>55211035
why discuss aesthetics at all when your eyes barely function

>>55203219
correct

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>>55210894
>triggered by borders
sounds like you're the cuck here

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>>55210872
>those guay swamps

Best 4 drop in BR? Assuming I'm playing 4 blood moons main.

>>55213115
Chandra, Maybe Pia and Kiran

>>55213115
Play Avalanche Riders and kill their basics

>>55213115
Lotta solid 4drops for BR
Olivia, Chandra, Kalitas, P&K, Hazoret Gonti , Rowdy Crew

>>55213712
Rowdy Crew would be ok if it didn't discard at random

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>>55192985
Anybody see any glaring issues with this list?
I've been making a bunch recently and I think this one might be the most solid to transfer into paper.

About to start playing modern again after a while. I am on a budget though, the last deck I played was soul sisters, is there a budget deck you guys would recommend?

>>55214300
Define budget

>>55214300
Mono G stompy

>>55214338
Around a $100 - 150.

>>55214355
I'm intrigued. What's it consist of?

>Grinding Standard on MTGO because unemployed
>Used to play some tier 2 decks on paper modern

I've won enough i can trade in my standard deck for a modern Skred Red 140ish tix deck, but I have no idea how good skred in the current meta is. Any other decks around that range in price?

Or should i just stick to fishing standard because the players are probably worse on average?

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>>55214399

>>55214399
Then yeah, the previous anon is right.
Mono G Stompy is probably going to be your best bet for a reliable deck that can actually win.

>>55214399
Don't listen to those dumbasses
Mono red burn is probably your best bet

>>55214470
>>55214486
Thanks for the recommendation, I take it that soul sisters is no longer competitive.

>>55214504
Not the mono white variation, no.
I play the Norin Sisters variant occasionally and it works decently.

>>55214501
I'd rather play stompy than play burn, that shit is boring.

>>55214504
soul sisters is still great, especially with burn being one of the most popular deck types, however yes its popularity has gone down, still great though

>>55214465
You can grab Martyr Proc for between 70 and 140 ticks depending on how much you want to spend on sideboard cards like Surgical Extraction. It's an ok deck, except for the fact that it literally cannot beat Gx Tron.
You can build a budget living end for around 150 ticks with most of the cost going into the mana base that can be used in other decks. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-living-end-40625#online

>>55214593
Mono red burn can be upgraded to naya burn
It's certainly less boring than tapping creatures to win

>>55214582
I take it that you run Norin in addition. Anything else or do you splash red just for him?

>>55214644
The whole idea of the deck changes.
Abusing ETB triggers is the new main goal through things like Genesis Chamber and Purphoros rather than just swinging in with big things to win.

>>55214638
Mono Green stompy can be upgraded too
It's certainly less boring than playing nothing but burn spells to win

>>55214682
list please?
I still am going to try green stompy, but I still enjoy soul sisters, and this variant sounds interesting.

Currently playing Blue Steel and having a blast.

>>55214711
Upgraded to what exactly?

>>55214808
RG Zoo

>>55214123
Oh man that'd be bonkers, he would essentially be a psudo thirst for knowledge on wheels, and a consistent 4mana 5/5 at that

it's a 3/3 that cantrips in red at it's worst, and a 5/5 with gas in decks that accomadate the downsides (tons of yard syngergies, a split of lands and creatures with maybe a sprinkle of interaction if you want it to be more consistent)

It's a weird card, and the body is okay for a cantrip creature (especially offcolor) but in general it doesn't line up well with creatures in modern.
i think it requires both looting synergies (to make it better than a regular cantrip creature) and a sober split of creatures/lands to make it a contender

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>>55209719
Which deck has the strengths and/or lacks the weaknesses of UW Control? I would recommend getting a deck that is at least different enough from UW Control.

>>55214300
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/decks/budget/modern#paper
If you want something fun and flexible, I recommend UW Spirits because almost every spell in that deck can be played at instant speed. I haven't played anything else because I'm stingy. Can anybody recommend others?

>>55214644
>>55214682
You can also use Burn at the Stake to end the game with all of your myrs so you don't have to break through their myrs. It's in the link, find "Stake Sisters".

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>>55214773
Here's my traditional list

>>55214848
>like half the cards are different

>>55214848
The only card the RG zoo lists play in stompy is experiment one.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/286998#paper
Is this deck any good? It looks interesting.

>>55214863
>>55214918
Thanks!

>>55214918
This list is fantastic, but I have a few gripes with the funofs, mainly battlerage and to a degree boon. Boon is pretty sweet, but your only good beaters are 3 Pride 3 Champ and 2 Serra (which already has flying).
In a config with 4 champ 4 pride, I would love a spicy griff's boon, but would consider cutting it otherwise

The cloudshift is pretty sweet as a protection spell, could be not half bad in countering spot removal, but the etb part doesn't go as far in a deck like this as it would in a deck with etb effect dorks like reflector mage etc. It's a cool spell, pretty much a dispel vs BGx with a bit of etb proc for the sisters/pridemate, but I would fill other slots first (more sisters, and maybe more champ/pridemate/norin)

I'd trim a berserker too for another soul attendant
this is all imo so take it with a pinch of salt, regardless sick deck bro im jelly. It's actually kinda meta right now with all the burn about

>>55214628
Ah thanks I forgot about those two definitely good choices. I think I'm gonna run it up in standard a bit more before i bother investing in modern, rotations are much less of a headache to deal with on MTGO so theres barely any rotation tax to pay.

>>55215172
The Cloudshift is actually normally used to trigger the Ranger an additional time for 1 mana
As for the other complaints, I see your point but I've been playing this list the way it is for awhile and found it to be very effective so I'd rather not change it unless it becomes a consistently problem.
Thanks for the criticism/compliment though.

>>55215419
Consistency*
Fuck phone posting

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>>55214285
The picture was fucked up and I only just now noticed.
Still looking for advice/criticism

>>55197008
Anyone?

>>55197008
>Leyline of Sanctity.


heheh you said tittie!

>>55193827
why. what. am i out of the loop?

>>55215859
Planeswalkers are Legendary now.

Which deck is the most fun and why is it Grishoalbrand

What's a way to dip my foot into modern for cheap without having to play something boring like burn or stompy?

Damn Searing Blaze plus Searing Blood out of the SB makes the creature matchups like Counters Company, Elves, Affinity, Merfolk and the mirror so much more favorable. I feel so much more confident with 2-3 Searing Blood in the SB in addition the 4 MB Blazes.

>>55210816
>Loveless is such a good album holy shit.
t. Dyson salesman

>>55215934
Literally Merfolk and thats it. You listed the only actual budget options and wrote them off. Unfortunately even Merfolk is pricy. If you are on a $400 or less budget then im sorry but you are stuck slinging Lava Spikes. Theres budget decks but they suck and dont allow you to improve because its hard to tell if you played wrong or if the deck just sucked and screwed you over.

>>55215972
Modern seems like a catch-22 then.
>Have to pay a bunch of money to see if you enjoy the format
>Not guaranteed to find a buyer to sell out if you don't end up liking it
>No real way of testing/learning the format without people expecting you to have been playing it for years

What's the most tilting forest I can run in my Gx tron deck?

>>55215934
Emeria control, skred, storm, martyr proc/soul sisters, elves without caverns or canopies, storm with a budget manabase and no moons. You can literally just look at mtg goldfish and find lists it is that simple.

>>55215939
current sb is
3 destructive rev
3 palm
1 searing blood
2 path
2 skullcrack
1 rest in peace
1 shattering spree
1 exquisite firecraft
1 stomping ground

Nice eldrazi tron deck you got there

When was the last time it made top 8 in an important tourney again?

>>55216020
>No real way of testing/learning the format without people expecting you to have been playing it for years
Wrong, xmage is a thing

>>55216039
Dryad Arbor

>>55216089
How important we talking? It came 8th in a SCG IQ recently, and 7th in a SCG Open last month

What's a deck that will make creature-intensive decks absolutely miserable? I love my playgroup but I hate their decks, and I want them to learn that turning a bunch of creatures sideways isn't the only way to win

>playing
Esper gifts and UB Baeries tribal
>hating
Titanshift and tron
>brewing
U/W enchantment control

I really enjoy the esper colors but it's a struggle to draw out the game and prone to timing out.

How the fuck does pure control work in this format? Is it good?

>>55215840
It's spelled "titty", anon. heheh

>>55216020
>White and RW Humans can be upgraded to GW or Naya Humans. Humans are a super common creature type with many notable creature cards that are used in Modern without being Tribal, so there's a lot of things you could try.
>Green or GB Elves has budget options, can be upgraded, and has a few cards that are used outside of the tribe.
>UW Spirits can be upgraded to Esper or Bant, or move to Knightfall.
>WB Tokens is competitive and has budget options.
>8Rack has good matchups and has budget alternatives, though I'm not sure if I would recommend.

>>55216438
Lantern Control

>>55216526
UW control works decently well and seems to be quite popular.
Uses stuff like Planeswalkers and manlands as its main wincons, and does a pretty good job of protecting them to secure the win.
Not sure what more you can really ask of a control deck.

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>>55215913
i don't know but i love the deck and i feel like it has one of the higher power ceilings in modern at the moment. now that the surge of death's shadow is petering off, it's also decently positioned again so that's nice

>>55216438
any deck with ensnaring bridge: tezzeret control, lantern control, free-win red, 8 rack, etc
also: martyr proc, restore balance, ad nauseam, turbofog, etc.
you might be able to brew a deck around stuff like magus of the tabernacle and ghostly prison. i've always wanted a tabernacle effect to be playable in modern and now that there's new stuff like gideons and blessed alliance, that kind of deck seems more possible

>>55215934
try cockatrice, xmage, proxies before you spend any money

>>55216526
>>55216657
U/W control can almost be considered T1 at this moment with the amount of people playing it. All the staples like cryptics, colonnades, verdicts have all went up at least 50% to support that popularity also. It's indeed good within the current meta, there's typically only 2 problems it runs into.

Timing out and getting killed in 2-3 turns.

>>55216526
UW Control is the most popular version. It's more tap-out oriented than the other two, with many planeswalkers and sweepers. As it's a dual color deck, it can run enough utility lands to create a mana denial suite alongside Spreading Seas.
Example list: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=16059&d=298880&f=MO

Esper Control is more draw-go oriented, built around using Think Twice and Esper Charm as draw engines. It has the best late game of the three, and does the best in the mirror and against midrange and combo. However, it has a very color intensive manabase, which can leave it vulnerable to Blood Moon decks and fast aggro.
Example list: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15391&d=293637&f=MO

Jeskai Control takes several forms, some more traditional counter-burn style, and some based after the Wafo-Tapa draw go decks. The addition of red burn spells gives more early answers and flexibility at the cost of the late game power of Esper Charm or the mana denial of Spreading Seas.
Here's an example of each:
post-Nahiri Jeskai: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=16668&d=303093&f=MO
Wafo Jeskai: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=16524&d=302183&f=MO

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>>55216480
>UW Enchantment Control
I'm interested. What cards do you plan on using?
I hear about decks that use Starfield of Nyx as a finisher and enchantment reanimator.
I've also seen an Esper deck that utilizes instants and sorceries with flashbacking to pump up a Myth Realized, but that is a very different strategy.
There is also the idea of making a pillow fort with Runed Halos, Nevermore, Gideon's Intervention, Ghostly Prison, Sphere of Safety, and Oblivion-like enchantments. Also pic related is going to exist soon.

>>55210857
its a shame that I actually bought into DSG around when Vancouver started showing DSJ decks and DSG was just a mtgo meme. I just wanted a T2 deck and now i've got chameleon colossus up my ass

And the meme queller version is what I have assembled, but its probably correct to go with the traditional one its putting more numbers up

>>55215934
Slivers ;^)

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>lantern control turn 2 collective brutality's my hand and see only lands
>top deck mana leak and counter his turn 3 bridge
>top deck ceremonious rejection and counter his turn 4 bridge
feels good man

>>55217932
Kaiba would play lantern

>>55217932
wtf fuck were you even playing?

>>55217991
eldrazi tron

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>>55217991
Eternal command
Testing out 3 ancestral, they were 2 serum visions and a 3rd electrolyze before. It's probably wrong since they give the deck a lot of back top decks when combined with the vials.

>>55217991
>wtf fuck

>>55218032
Nice catch

>>55218018
No tar fire?

>>55218094
Nah having a +1/+1 goyf isn't super important I feel. I have a BUG eternal command I'm building that I might put a few in.

>>55218185
Wait I just re-read what I wrote and realized it's retarded, disregard that BUG stuff.

>>55217932
People bitching about general variance are almost as bad as Standard players that vent after losing "If I would have drawn xyz (in a format with basically zero card selection) I would have won."

>>55212369
>why discuss aesthetics at all when your eyes barely function
Because art is all that matters.

>the border makes it really hard to enjoy them on the whole
Stupid.
>>55212854
Exactly. Boner inducing.

What's the cheapest way to thin out land in a deck that's running Unexpected Results into (Hopefully) Emrakuls, Omnisciences and Griselbrands?
I have two Emrakuls, three omnisciences, two Grisels and not a lot of change left over, where as I'm hoping to trade up into x4 of each.

Semi-joke deck

>>55219334
Endless Horizons maybe

>>55214863
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/decks/budget/modern#paper

Is it possible to pimp these budget decks with stronger cards I already have (not entire playsets) or will they simply stop working if I add or change cards?

I've never played the game so I don't understand stuff like this.

>>55219545
You can make the decks stronger with better cards, but if you don't know what you're doing you'd better not. Especially since stronger cards generally cost lots of money and it's advised not to spend lots of money on the game until you know what you're doing.

>>55219545
Most of them can be upgraded in various ways, but none of them can really become tier 1 deck easily. If you go to the article for each deck you can see non-budget versions.

>>55219565
>cards I ALREADY have
>>55219581
Not what I want to know.
Let's say I want to pimp a budget deck with the two Goyfs I already own, is that possible or not? Can it work with only two and not a playset or will it only be detrimental to the strategy of the deck? Can it work only with certain decks?

You see what I'm talking about?

I have many good cards but not entire playsets.

>>55219624
If it would be good as a 4 of it'll probably be good as a 1/2/3 of. Some of the decks don't really have upgrades because they're very janky combo decks, like Zombie Hunt, but mostly you'll be able to augment them with cards you already have.

>>55219643
>If it would be good as a 4 of it'll probably be good as a 1/2/3 of
Are you sure? Aren't decks built also on the odds of drawing a certain card, especially considering the mana curve and the development/unfolding of the deck strategy?

>>55219683
*Aren't decks built also on the odds of drawing a certain card depending on how much you need that card in the beginning of the game

What I wanted to say.

>>55219683
Yes, but it's not like your deck is going to light itself on fire if you fuck up. Generally adding good cards to budget decks will improve them but you're going to have to actually, you know, play the game and try out some things for yourself.

>>55219705
Wasting time doing wrong things when everything has already been theorized and practised is stupid, if I can get a heads on on the direction to follow and what to be aware of it would be much better, as a noob and not being an autistic genius that can catch up with 20+ years of magic theory in a month.

>>55219745
Well unfortunately for you half-budget-half-good cards decks don't have a lot of writing yet, so you'll have to settle for googling 'how many lands do I put in my deck' plus other general deck building stuff and try the rest yourself.

>>55219745
1 good card and 3 budget versions of that card is better than 4 budget versions. You're okay if the budget vesrion does the same general thing but slightly worse.

>GB Scavenge
>Storm
>Janky Fling decks

How do I brew Leveler Fling? I thought about playing Mono-R ramp into it and play a bit of U for protection but that hasn't been working out well at the moment. Thinking about UBR and cheating it out with Footsteps of the Goryo.

Thoughts? So far I have:
>Leveler
>Fling
>Haze of Rage/Onward

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??????

Thoughts on my Mono white control brew? Performing well locally, could use an extra tuneup though

4 Thraben Inspector
4 Wall of Omens
4 Kitchen Finks
2 Restoration Angel

2 Gideon Jura
2 Elspeth, Knight Errant

4 Path to Exile
4 Journey to Nowhere
3 Oblivion Ring
2 Banishing Light
2 Cast Out
2 Wrath of God
2 Brave the Elements

20 Plains
3 Ghost Quarter

15 awesome white sideboard cards to fit the local meta

>>55219826
Why not RG? G has better pumps and with some Rituals you can fling a fat Kiln fiend in one turn.

>>55220085
Yea but i wanna do it specifically with Leveler since I found a playset of it lying around

>>55219789
>>55219798
I figured it all came down to substitute cards with a similar effect, I'm just worried about not catching some flaws in the mechanics of a card when substituting it and ruining the strategy.
Thanks.

>>55220105
Kiln Fiend is like 40ct, if you're running Fling then he's one of the best. There's no reason not to run 2 creatures to fling.

>>55219972
>the scarab god
Couldn't they find a more generic name?

>Playing Mono-White Death and Taxes
>Hating Burn and Spell Queller
>Brewing GW Hatebears

Got to the semifinals of a pptq and got smushed by burn. Been wanting to play the green splash for a while now, but I'm worried about giving up percentage points against eldrazi or other decks where mono-white seems more advantaged. Thoughts?

>>55219972
Standard. It did well as a splash in Temur Energy, and now UB Control with that as a finisher just won a GP in Europe.

I am interesting in playing Abzan company, what is a good stock sideboard for an unknown meta?

I've been cooking up a fairly generic innistrad-flavored cube of 450 cards, and it's the first one I've ever built; it's powered and I'm looking for some insight from people who have actually drafted cube quite a bit because I'm way in over my head and I need to know if there are any glaring balance inadequacies or things I'm not taking into consideration.

My goals with this cube is to stay fairly true to capturing what I think the original Innistrad plane did artistically, and to provide some fairly loose guidelines into deck archetypes, though most will end up being rather creature and tribe heavy. The people I'll be drafting with are not ultra competitive players.

Each creature type is shared by 2 colors with a few odd color exceptions like black spirits, golgori zombies instead of the black/blue of the sets, green spirits, etc.
The biggest thing I'm concerned with is probably Avacyn, simply because she's a default pick no matter what color anyone is playing, and if I'm oversaturating with artifacts that really don't serve a purpose compared to picking say.. another colored card of what someone chooses to draft. I like the themes they provide but I'm not sure since I finished my rough draft of this thing today. There are a few cards I think might contest as first pick though, but again, limited experience building a cube environment so any input is welcome, and be brutal with me if you have to.

http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/84533

What does it not have that it needs for fun?
What does it have that might break player choices or end up illustrating a "best color/combo"?
Do I need to prune back the power on any colors?
Are there certain staples that I need to include for balance purposes?

>>55221813
3 Path
1 Spellskite
3 Tidehollow Sculler
1 Stony Silence
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Spike Feeder
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Archangel of Thune

Does anyone have any experience with <50 dollar tournaments? My group is doing one but I have no idea what would be a good/fun deck to use.

>>55225038
I don't but I'm curious as to what it is.
Do the decks have to be sub 50 dollars or what?

>>55225038
Seems like a retarded way to have the burn player stomp everyone

>>55225095
Whole deck under 50, including lands. I was thinking of Gruul Kiln Fiend which goes for about 25 dollars.

>>55225170
So basically just Pauper?

>>55225131
It's a very new group, so it's more an introductory thing with decks they can expand later. I doubt they'll use burn after seeing the price on Goblin guide.

>>55225252
Rares and Mythics are allowed though, so they can use their Timmy hydras and whatnot.

>>55225038
3 Brute Strength
4 Invigorated Rampage
2 Fling
1 Magma Jet
2 Moment of Heroism
2 Ride Down
1 Stand Firm
4 Akrasan Squire
2 Aven Squire
4 Boros Swiftblade
4 Fabled Hero
2 Fencing Ace
2 Hearthfire Hobgoblin
2 Hound of Griselbrand
2 Mirrorwing Dragon
2 Madcap Skills

23 Mountains/Plains of your choice.
Under 10$.
This is a budget deck I threw together for a friend new to magic and it actaully turned out surprisingly effective against a lot of decks my friends had as well, even ones well above 50.

>>55225325
Sounds pretty stupid to me.

>>55225170
Meme mono defenders with Axebane Guardian/Overgrown Battlement/Assault formation and Helix Pinnacle as a wincon.

>>55225333
Whoops, my bad it's 2 Brute Strength, 3 Invigorated Rampage.
Built to Smash is also a good substitute for bulk if you want, and only R to cast.
Obviously the spells could be tuned a little bit for your preferences but you get the basic idea, pump up double strikers to punch through anything and then transition into your late game with Mirrorwings giving your whole field the effects of pump spells, multiple instances of scry, and anti-removal.

How the FUCK do I stop gearhulk decks that recycle counterspells?

>>55225634
What do you play?

>>55225683
Red/Green aggro with as much artifact destruction cards as I can stuff in the deck.

>>55225634
Win before they can do anything.

>>55225634
Kill him before he gets to 6 mana

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>>55225038
Here's a budget deck that I built for fun. I think it's still under $50 including the street wraiths, but they can be cut for more black cyclers.

>>55225748
You could play
>Gutteral Response to counter the counterspell or any other blue instant.
>Torpor Orb to stop Gearhulk and Snapcaster from flashbacking.
>Tormod's Crypt, Scavenging Ooze, Grafdigger's Cage, or Relic of Progenitus to stop the flashbacking.
>Play Prowling Serpopard to make counterspells against your creatures muda.
>Make your deck faster so that they can't keep up. If you're running creatures try Burning Tree Emissary and Bushwhacker for a heavy swingout.

>>55225265
Burn on a budget doesn't even need Goblin Guide
You just slap some elementals and call it a day
It's still pretty much the most effective budget deck

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Is this a good card?

Should I sideboard it or what

>>55225960
or if you feel like being a complete cunt you could use jesters cap. it was reprinted in eighth edition

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dispossess sideboard vs vehicle decks y/n

>>55225038
Build a budget Border Post Restore Balance deck and laugh at your plebian friends.

>>55227033
Depends on your meta, it is a very good card though.

>>55192985

Any hints for a first time drafter? looking forward to my first round robin this week

>>55220142
Given that the other gods are named? I think the point of calling it "The Scarab God" is because it's that guy none of the other gods like, no one even remotely likes, but he still exists.
Why would anyone know his name? He's just that asshole with the bugs that ruins everything.

The alternative is naming him something like "Eater of Hope", "Harvester of Souls" or something similarly Doom Metal and ominous, but equally vague.
Problem is, do this too often and it gets tiresome.

>>55227066
What the fuck are vehicle decks?

>>55225131
I believe monowhite Soul Sisters can be built for <50, and some sub-standard lands allow GW.

>>55227143
A deck that uses vehicles.
Are you fucking retarded?

>>55192985
Rate my UB Burn deck:

>Creatures
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Monastery Swiftspear
2 Grim Lavamancer
4 Wildfire Eternal

>Spells (Instant/Sorcery Etc)
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Abrade
4 Lava Spike
4 Magma Jet
3 Skullcrack
2 Flames of the Blood Hand
2 Serum Visions

4 Scalding Tarn
4 Sulfur Falls
8 Mountain
4 Island

Looking for some more blue mana cards to add to this but I dont know what to add.

>>55227163
To be fair, it's the Modern general, and vehicles are bad.
Still, not knowing about Smuggler's Copter means he doesn't check the B&N announcements, or at most, opens the page and Ctrl + F's "Modern" before closing the page.

what's the best way to play magic online
preferably nothing i have to pay for

>>55227177
Fuck I forgot to add >Lands

>>55227181
Well yeah, they are bad but they're still something everyone should at least be aware of by now.

>>55227195
Paying for MTGO > Xmage > Not paying for MTGO > Cockatrice.

No matter which you pick, the UI is awful.

>>55227195
Xmage or Cockatrice.

>>55227254
which one's better

>>55227310
Xmage for a new player and Cockatrice for an experienced one.

>>55227337
what about if i've played before but not since mirrodin or kamigawa, whichever came first

Give me a meme deck I can get to put people on tilt, on the cheap preferably

Bonus points if it uses blood moons and isn't skred

>>55227337
>implying
The problem with Cockatrice is when you're opponent starts playing wrong/breaking rules or insists you're a cheater because you understand how the stack works.

>>55227359
The only real reason I said what I did is because Xmage automatically determines the rules and stuff like that for you while Cockatrice kinda leaves it up to the players.
It really is just personal preference.

>>55227392
Literally any of the SaffronOlive decks. They're all awful jank that uses cards no other deck uses, because MTGgoldfish needs to move inventory.

>>55227398
Obviously I was talking under the impression that you aren't playing against cheating douches.

>>55227392
1x Fatal Frenzy
1x Countryside Crusher
58x Mountain

>>55227392
24x Island
4x Reliquary Tower
24x Swamp

4x Treasure Hunt
4x Zombie Infestation

>>55227177
Stormchaser mage?

>>55227438
>>55227438
this seems fucking awful

>>55227472
just mulligan until you get countryside crusher without fatal frenzy in your opening hand and don't play against a blue deck )))

>>55227492
or any deck running instant speed removal?

>>55227496
yeah or those

>>55227177
It's UR or RU. UB is Blue/Black.

Cards you have that I'm not sure about:
>Wildfire Eternal (may be too slow)
>Abrade (flexible, but is probably best to cut some down and stick in the sideboard)
>Magma Jet (has scry to get rid of unwanted cards, but may be too inefficient to make up for the digging)
>Flames of the Blood Hand (might be too inefficient, but it is Skullcrack 5-8)
>Serum Visions (you have enough 1-drops that you probably don't need to waste slots cantripping)

Cards that might work:
>Blood Moon (if you switch some Mountains for more Islands; might be best in sideboard)
>Smash to Smithereens (SB tech that destroys artifacts while chipping the opponent down)
>Electrolyze (a bit expensive, but it cantrips and can potentially kill up to 2 creatures)
>Counterflux (SB tech for Storm)
>Stormchaser Mage (Flying, Haste, Prowess for 2 mana)
>Shatterstorm (anti-Chalice, anti-Affinity SB tech)
>Ceremonious Rejection (SB tech to fight back against Tron, Affinity, and Chalice)
>Spell Pierce/Negate (counters bad shit including Chalice, you can hold up mana so that if your opponent has nothing good to counter just burn then before you untap)
>Relic of Progenitus/Tormod's Crypt (anti-Dredge and other graveyard decks; the former may be mainboarded)
>Pyroclasm (wipes away tokens; Prowess creatures should be able to survive; Sideboard)
>Anger of the Gods (if Dredge is too awful, it may be best to just kill everyone; Sideboard)

>>55227427
It's less cheating douches, and more people accusing you of cheating because they don't understand the rules themself.
You're online. Of course you're going to be dealing with retards.

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who here stormhype??

for one more mana than cloud key you get both instant and sorcery which is pretty good, the flip is nice when going off, 4 mana is expensive but at least it dodges abrupt decay. I dunno, 4 is expensive as fuck though

>>55227887
What's the flip do?

And personally i don't see it, why play this instead of just casting gifts?

>>55228122
Flip is a mana rock that copies instants and sorceries

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>>55228122
Here.

>>55227392
Look for a combo deck named Seismic Swans or 42 land Swans Hunt. You basically use Treasure Hunt to get Swans of Bryn Argoll + Seismic Assault.

>>55227887
I'd be down with it in a list that plays a couple of ascension. Maybe we'll see some list go back that direction.

Now that I have spare time (and money) I've gotten interested in mtg again, most of my cards are post 7th edition so I'm assuming this is the format to dip back into. I have probably 500+ 8th edition and on cards. Is there an easier way to figure out what's good/or not beyond just sorting through them individually, and for that matter I should probably organize them by color correct? (Currently they're organized by block) I apologize in advance for being an idiot.

How important are the fetchlands?

Can I stay relatively competitive without them, at least for FNM

>>55229294
Depends on how many colors the deck is.
If it's three colors or more you absolutely need them.

>>55229284
Sort out your rares, and if that pile is small enough, start price checking those

>>55229308
I was thinking of jeskai delver, i have the shocklands

that or U/R storm, since I can build the deck relatively cheaply

>>55229341
If you're going Jeskai you need the fetches.

>>55229391
:(

I'll have to swear more to fill that jar ffs

>>55229341
Storm is a stronger deck and can be played with Flooded Strands/Polluted Deltas instead of Scalding Tarn

>>55229403
>>55229391

Just like that, what are the odds that Torrential Gearhulk will appear in modern?

I've seen him being played in some U/W control lists, but rarely

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casual here, about to play a casual party Commander game and my friend has a deck with Hivemind it.
I'm confused not knowing if every player still has to pay the copied card's mana cost as they use it or if they literally cast a spell for free

>>55229472
Pretty unlikely, there are better top ends to a control deck in Modern than there are in Standard.

>>55229485
No, they quite literally get to play it for free since they aren't actually casting the spell, they're casting a copy of it where the mana cost has already been played.

>>55229472
He's seen some play in UW/x control decks but usually as a 1 of

Personally I loved playing him in esper control when I was on that, getting a 5/6 along with a free cryptic or esper charm felt great

>>55229518
Paid*

>>55229529
>>55229495
So should I sell the singleton that I have before they drop in price?

>>55229546
I mean, if you don't plan on playing it then I don't see why you should keep it.
The value will only go down over time, it isn't going to suddenly become a staple in Modern anytime soon.

>>55229570
well I'm not a big fan of straight control and hes only played in those decks.

I have no viable decks, should I sell Crucible of Worlds?

>>55229884
Unless you want to use them in UW control or lantern control. Those just use a single copy of the card anyway. Can't really think of anything else that runs the card.

>>55229884
ghost quartering someone 6 times is pretty fun

not as fun as wasteland but still very enjoyable

>>55216973
Sorry about the lateness but I'm running solemnity and pairing that with glen elendra archmages and kitchen finks. It's just going to be a lot of 1 mana negates and infinite blockers.

>>55229599
It's best to let it go if you're not using it since this ghulk is being played in standard right now. I used to run it in blue moon as a wincon with academy ruins.

>>55230118
Some nips are doing really well with Tezz decks that have crucible, so i guess I'll come shill some more.
http://www.hareruyamtg.com/en/k/kD06241W/?ismodesmartphone=off

>>55232407
>>55232407
New thread