EDH/Commander General

>>55162503
The biggest commander I play is a 5/5, where is your god now timmy

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MLD is love, MLD is life.

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noob here, pls help

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-08-17-karlov/

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You already posted him OP, Thromok has always been a major fave of mine.

On the other end of the spectrum, I've finally decided to give myself up to the Jank Gods and build this pile of garbage. I have no idea how, but I'm gonna make her work with whatever pile of garbage I can. Any suggestions, no matter how small, is appreciated.

for previous commander decks, is $65 worth it for the old 4-color proliferate deck?

>>55162572
Too many lands, my dude

Also find some room for an Ashnod's Altar, Reveillark and Karmic Guide to loop the shit out of Blood Artist

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>>55162503
You posted it. Nothing quite as satisfying as killing someone with Warstorm Surge/Pandemonium trigger when you slam him down, killing a second opponent with commander damage in one swing, then flinging him.

>Guy at LGS is a massive backseat player
>Will walk around the table looking at people's hands and tell people what they should or shouldn't do

I fucking hate super spergs.

>>55162628
Depends if you want the stuff that is in the deck or not.

Atraxa alone is worth 20$.

>>55162714
Ask him if he has anything better to do after losing his last game

>>55162594
Don't do that. Nothing is worth how godawful she is, Pharika is an active detriment to any deck she's in.

>>55162714
Kibitzing at an LGS should be grounds for being kicked out.

>>55162720
sweet jesus you weren't lying. Time to browse the decklist and add up my chases to see if it's worth it then.

>>55162534
>>55162503
My EDH decks are commanded by a 0/0 and a 2/2 partnered with a 3/3.

>>55162594
>hey, what's a good way to gravehate?
>I know, give my opponent Deathtouch Chumps
And to add insult to injury, she isn't even an infinite mana sink like Nylea, Purphoros, Erebos, or Heliod.

>>55162418

From the previous thread.

I think part of the thing with the demand of Dragons is that getting a moderately functional five color deck out of the box is pretty appealing. Also a lot of the dragons can fit into other decks quite well.

>>55162534
>>55162817
Mine are a 0/0 and a 4/6

>>55162638
Should I be playing to the little guys that draw me life more?

i was also thinking im lacking in spells and had too many artifacts

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>>55162503

>>55162823
I bought all of the precon decks and I definetly see the appeal of the dragon deck. The collection of Jund colored Dragons made me want to play my old kitchen table deck from when I started playing magic. I think I might build Wasitora as my next commander just for that.

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>>55162503
Used to be Doran, now it's this beefy fuck.

Is there a consensus on whether Scion is the better dragon commander or not?

>>55162895
Scion is better but this new one is fun for a more casual deck.

>>55162895
>-1 for free
yup, now play all the tribal changeling instant and sorceries and enjoy your commander.

>>55162503
Ishkanah is the biggest body on a commander I have. I just like being able to cast them more than once.

Jalira is a Timmy deck through and through.

>>55162594
Constellation is better than you think. Even draft fodder works.

Run fight cards to get value of your deathtouchers outside of combat. Shinen of Life's Roar is better than you think.

>>55162885

Yeah, I have a Scion deck and I love playing it just because it's capable of such huge plays. I picked up the Dragon deck for some of the new tech despite so many doubles from the deck I built a while back.

>>55162895

If you have enough graveyard recursion I'd put Scion over his boss since you can abuse that to force a bunch of dragons out for extremely cheap.

But I'd say if you want to play a more straightforward, stable deck (Graveyard hate can fuck over Scion), the boss himself might be the better choice.

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>>55162503
My commander is bigger than your commander. And it is also a ridiculous source of card advantage.

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>>55162895
Every time I see the Ur Dragon I just want to build timmy.dec with him but then I remember the manabase would cost me a kidney.

I have pic related lying around too and no deck for it.

>>55162753
>>55162822
I know this, in fact that's the reason I chose her. I want to see what's the best I can do with a commander everyone see's as shit.

>>55162970
Thanks bud

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This is my Skullbriar tech.

>mfw my local card shop, the only group that plays commander, are full on competitive tryhards that all try to go turbo infinates or other bullshit
>To the point it's near pointless to even try and play creatures
I hate it here

>>55163029

Are you thinking about getting the original dual lands? Unless you're planning on playing in an insanely competitive scene you don't have to worry about that. The Shocklands from Ravnica can fuel it just fine.

>>55163058
You need some Teeg in your life

>>55163088
I need something. Commander was the last facet of the game I enjoyed and they killed that pretty quick. They only ever use commanders as color identities and it drives me up the fucking wall.

>>55163043
Yup. Obvious includes are things like Mulch and Grizly Salvage. Suddenly Reclamation. Lots of good self mill in GB. You aren't a reanimator deck though, you're a token deck. Run token doublers and overrun effects. Keep your creature balance in mind, as you want to profit from her ability as much as possible. Other good token producers in those colors should be considered like Grave Titan and Avenger.

People shit on her because GB has tons of good commanders and because ultimately, she's kind of a shifty necrogenesis. But they being enchantments and having death touch can be a strong enough reason to run her with proper deckbuilding. Trample and overruns as I mentioned pair really well with deathtouch.

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>>55163145
Yeah you definitely need the G-Daddy.

They can combo, but it'll be a bitch and a half for them to get there.

>>55163177
I actually had a no-fun-allowed deck with him, but they rapidly adapted to the meta going to far as to do a 3-4 way (depending on the amount present) attack against me to knock me out as quickly as possible. Same thing happened when I rolled Zur.

>>55162572
The three-mana rocks don't strike me as necessary in two colors- maybe swap the Manalith for a Mind Stone? Swiftfoot Boots would also be worth tossing in. As has been mentioned, you're running a few too many lands; may I ask what the Darksteel Citadel is in there for?
As much as I love Venser's Journal, this doesn't seem like a deck in which it would particularly shine, not without a handful of card advantage pieces added. Of those, you simply must get yourself a Skullclamp.
That being said, it looks like fun. Linear, but fun.

>>55163226
That's... pretty fucking bad. If they focus you out just so they can masturbate their decks onto the table, they might not be worth playing with.

I'm having a hard time imagining a meta where a counterspell is worth running over a void shatter or dissipate.

I get how good Counterspell is and how big a deal 1 mana is on something like that, but graveyards are so fucking key in this format. Surely exile is worth it, right?

>>55163279
You already said it. There's a massive difference between leaving UU open and leaving 1UU open when you're not running 4 copies of your good counterspells.

>>55163279
Can't drop a Void Shatter into an Isochron Scepter

>>55163058

The one store right by my place of work went that way as well. They helped nearly kill of Magic beyond the group that is led by the owner's son that just hops from netdecked infinite to netdecked infinite.

I put up with literally adding 40 minutes of driving to avoid going to that store for Magic.

>>55162594
Illness in the ranks, everyone gets nothing when you shit in their graveyard

>>55163336
Sure.

>>55163321
But enough NOT to run things that exile? Maybe my understanding of cEDH is different, but do they NOT run Eternal Witness, Yawgmoth's Will, Snapcaster Mage, Reanimate and similar?

I get running Counterspell in addition, but instead of is weird to me. Or is it legit only Counterspell, Mana Drain and then 0 cost countermagic like Force and Pact?

>>55163509
Counterspells are relatively weak in multiplayer formats anyway. It's harder to do control with stax-esque effects because you're controlling a board not just one guy.

>>55163257
>>55163358
they're not worth it. between WotC being utter trash for several reasons and them I lost most of the taste for the game. But then every once in a while I check out /tg/ again and get pulled back in... The next set looks ok though if nothing else than for the white holy order of vampires.

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*Blocks your Wheel*

>>55163697
>blocks their wheel
>not enhancing your own wheels
ISHYGDDT

>>55163697
This man slaps your wheel on the ass what do you do?

>>55163043
Eternal Scourge allows for repeatable snek generation

>>55163722
>Boros ever getting to lol7mana
But I agree, I'm finding a spot right now for him, Magus of the Wheel, and Reforge the Soul

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>ordered Shauku in case I would want to make a Mairsil deck in the future for only 50 cents weeks ago
>Shauku is now $5

Is Mairsil really that effective then? Or just another dumb investor?

>>55163849
>not suspending a wheel of fate and flashing out your cat at your upkeep with blood moon out to prevent shenanigans
Next you're gunna tell me you dont have avacyn and batterskull in your deck.

>>55163857
Honor-Worn Shaku is getting bought out because Planeswalkers are legendary now and don't care if you tap them.

>>55163857
Oh, misread. No idea why Shauku would spike.

>>55163697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

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>>55162503
>Thread question
NO REST
NO MERCY
NO
MATTER
WHAT

>>55163697
I feel like this card is supposed to bully blue players, but I got it played against my Naya deck and it made me even more sad. Those colors dont get much card draw so getting it dunked on sucks.

>>55163878
>blood moon
I c-can't do that anon, my Boros deck only has 7 basics

>>55163697
kys commie cuck

>>55163950
You know it only affects instances where an opponents draw 2 or more cards at the same time right? Multiple instances of 'draw a card' are unaffected.
But yes it will shit on your skullclamp plans.

>>55163857
Reserved List + Mairsil, yup.

Just buy every card on the reserved list to be safe desu.

>>55163029
Battle lands, enemy pain lands and allied check lands along with the regular any color lands is enough desu, and that entire manabase will cost you like $20.

>>55163998
Yes I know how to read, thanks for the condescending remarks. My Sylvan Library appreciates it.

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>>55163983
My playgroup doesnt let me play the bloodmoon anymore, so I feel you.

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>>55164108
y-you too

>>55163983
>>55164117
>mfw everyone at my table has really expensive mana bases and almost no basics
>MFW me playing bloodmoon is almost always guarenteed a scoop if it's not gone before it comes back around to me

>>55164187

>mfw
>MFW

But there was no face....

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>>55164223
spooky

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>>55164187
>>55164223
>>55164281
>>55164288
mfw

>>55163145
Try proposing a budget Commander challenge. If they're super-spikes, you may be able to goad their egos into it by presenting it as a test of their deckbuilding ability, somewhere in the $50-$100 range.

why are all edh players 10 times more retarded than the average mtg which i should add is already substantially retarded

>>55163232
ty for the advice, yeah i already have skullclamp from my lcoust god deck so ill throw that in there and remove some land. darksteel citadel I threw in there just because i suppose. Should i drop it all together or keep it for a basic land?

my friends play green and like big boys so im always worried i dont have enough creatures/mana to compete, but maybe thats what i got myself into play a lifedrain deck

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>>55164413
last time i went to my lgs someone tried to counter my erebos with silumgar's command because he thought it was a noncreature spell

>>55164413
A lot of them haven't played regular Magic where a mistake can be severely punished, teaching them an important lesson.

>>55164413
Because it's a """""casual format""""" and mtg has the worst casuals

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I'm starting an EDH podcast. Any tips / complaints about current casters that you have? Just trying to get a feel for the community, and I don't want to end up just doing stupid Twitter questions or begging for patreon like some of the fucks in the community. Also, any topics y'all wanna hear?

>>55164466
>Any tips / complaints about current casters that you have?
Please don't fully read out every card you bring up. Please.

>>55162594
Play cards like tombstone stairwell and shit on your opponent's yards while filling your own. It's her biggest strength.

>>55164187
Bloodmoon +aether membrane+ cathars crusade is still my favorite lockout. It just works

>>55164370
Terrible idea, infinites and cancer exist on every level of budget

>Guy uses several banned cards in his deck such as Primeval and Yawgmoth's Bargain
>Gets his shit twisted when I use Kiki-Jiki and screams and throws a fit how it should be banned

I fucking hate my LGS

>>55164484
For real, right? Or when they explain fucking evergreen keywords like first strike. I know some people are noobs, but Christ dude...

>>55164506
Kek, gotta love the double standards of retards

>>55164506
Why are you guys even letting him play with you? He should be forced to play by the same rules as everyone else. Shit, if my LGS let me use Yawgmoth's Bargain, Tuesday-night Commander would turn into goddamn Mad Max

>>55164506
Why is he allowed to run Prime Time and Yawg's Bargain? Fucking dump on the dude and tell him he's a massive hypocrite.

As an aside, Prime Time would be absolutely fantastic in my Wort deck

>>55164466
dont over emphasize politics

>>55164466
dont name drop, dont plug a favorite card into every deck just because in your meta its good.

whats the premise of the show? is it gonna just be "talk about edh" or is it gonna be deck techs? whats the general feel?

>>55164593
This

Sometimes your just going to slap someone with some damage. It's not always going to be the most optimal play but it's what you can do to get the game rolling.

>>55164541
>Why are you guys even letting him play with you?

He's been around longer and is friends with a lot of the people there. Dude's honestly a douche since he will just randomly hate people for no reason and give people death glares. Like he doesn't even wait for the person to do something dumb he just sees a person and hates them for whatever reason he's come up with in his head. He's probably chased some people off from being super uninviting. I know if I was running a store and someone like him hung around I'd tell him to cut his shit out.

>>55164466
every group is different.
if you play tryhards you are going to get your shit slapped hard and quick.
if you play casualshitters a game may very well last you a whole day and you're bound to hear one of them ask if they've read any good mlp fapfics lately.

ideally your group will be somewhere in the middle

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I'm brewing Inalla Tribal Reanimator to deal with the tryhards on my LGS.
I'm under oath to only use it against gay cEDH decks. What can I do to screw those nerds pretty hard?

>>55162503
I had a Tromokratis deck that was hella fun. Shame voltron gets so boring.

How good is Collective Effort? Worth running in Grandpa Edgar?

Nephilim's errata'd to legendary when>

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>Play Krenko
>Someone immediately puts freeze effect on him so he can't untap
>Put umbral mantle on him
>Another player immediately exiles the mantle
>The other three players just attack my empty board until I lose then the Edgar and UGx players just durdle for another half hour.

Cool. I guess I should just trash Krenko? I just like gobbos.

>>55165139
Literally never but play them anyway and slap anyone who is too tight-assed to let you

>>55165146
Convert it to Zada.

>>55165146
Play Grenzo or Zada, less immediate hate.

Grenzo for politics and stealing decks, Zada for making fun small carddraws FUN

>>55165146
Yeah, if you can't handle being an obvious threat. An easier solution if you want to keep gobs is just switch commanders, like Grenzo or Ib Halfheart if you want to be derp. Zada is fun too.

>>55165146
Yeah, explosive decks are usually shut down quickly. Since you win if you aren't. My friend has a Krenko deck and goes hellbent super early and just dies.

You could always do Ib Halfheart. He's less hated and if you aren't considered with the deck being strong, you'll be fine. Plus, you can add a Mind's Eye and stuff to keep yourself from going hellbent instead of running more explosive stuff.

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>>55162638
>>55163232
uhhhhh so i went through some of the changes you guys suggested and my deck bumped from 70% casual to 89% competitive

should i take the meter with a grain of salt?

>>55165206
>>55165225
>>55165235
>>55165266
Holy shit, four constructive responses in a row.

Are you feeling okay /edh/?

>>55165206
>>55165225
>>55165235
I do have Grenzo in there but hitting someone T3 will probably draw ire because idiots who can't threat assessment. Zada looks more fun. I just worry Zada also falls into the "This deck needs it's commander to function at all" category the Krenko does and will get killed until he costs 8 mana. It wouldn't be hard or expensive to swap all the untap abilities and stuff with cantrips though.

>>55163857
I just took him for a spin tonight in a five player game. Used Tree Of Perdition's effect on him and set the life gain player (who was at 90) to four life and my dudes just body slammed them into death.

This guy is nutty putty. Would recommend.

>>55165335
Being so explosive that others remove everything you put out really hampers your ability to play Magic, and that's no fun. I really know that after my days of Xenagos Eldrazis.

>>55165342
Zada is stupid fun, if you're worried about relying on her you can focus more on the goblin theme.

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>completing my Edgar deck
>it ended up with just being 84% Casual on tappedout
>going to take my Edgar deck on an LGS after work tomorrow with my friends but still missing two cards since its still on mail transit
>replace the missing cards with subs
>to remind myself what are the subbed cards and the missing cards, placed them on Sideboard section on the tappedout list
>my deck is suddenly 100% competitive

It was just a shitty tapland and a 1 cmc common vampire creature even. I'm confused.

>>55165370
Would you mind showing a decklist? I made one and playtested it but its slower than a turtle.

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>>55165370
Tree of Perdition+ Hateflayer + Haste Enabler+ Aetherling

>>55165342
>I just worry Zada also falls into the "This deck needs it's commander to function at all" category the Krenko does and will get killed until he costs 8 mana.

Don't worry about it too much. You're playing a million cantrips, so if Zada isn't able to do things herself, you're just cycling through your deck to get your Golbin tribal cards more easily.

>>55165335
My friend does this all the time. Very familiar subject for a lot of us.

>>55162594
So how are you supposed to use Thromok anyway? To me it looks like you pay five mana to exchange your board presence into one, easily removed fatty without trample. What gives?

Any feedback? Trying to decide what if anything to cut for the maybes.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/firemind-artifacts/

>>55165555
Pandemonium, Warstorm Surge, Fling effects.

>>55165727
thanks, seems pretty obvious in hindsight

>>55165555
Well, Quads of Unknowing, you can totally run stuff like Warstorm Surge and Pandemonium so that way Thromok just entering the battlefield straight murders one or two people.

Then, with him being HUEG AS FUCK, turn him sideways at another unsuspecting player (add Berserk for maximum winning), and if there's anyone left alive after all that, Fling him at that last player.

The rest of the deck is just shitting out dudes and tokens and whatnot to make Thromok the biggest boy he can be, as well as redundancies for the various combo pieces (like running both Warstorm Surge and Pandemonium as mentioned above, so you have two ETB murder enchantments).

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does his black mana cost count towards his ability?

>>55165929
Yes.

Who's a good commander for taxes? I want to have fun.

>>55165946
Gaddock Teeg, either Thalia.

>>55164750
>Any reanimation enchantment (Necromancy, Dance of the Dead, Animate Dead)
>Worldgorger Dragon in graveyard
>Any ETB effect that you want to go infinite with

>>55165929
Yes, Gary is fucking awesome. Cast a kicked Rite of Replication on him for extra fun.

>Tfw the creature you would most want to use as commander is nonlegendary
>Tfw you only have one friend who would allow that, and playing at the LGS is completely out of the question

>>55165946
Grand Arbiter Augustin IV.

>>55165995
Tarmanoa will get a legendary variant eventually.

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I've never played commander before. I also Don't have much experience with Magic outside of a few recent-ish sets. What's the cheapest and most fun way to get into it?

So where is the best place for a custom game mat? I want to get an enchanted evening one but it seems Rebecca guay only sells prints.

>>55165946
>>55166030
be prepared for lots of butthurt if you run him especially with ghostly prison propoganda and aura of silence

>>55166048
I was talking about Havengul Lich, actually. Tarmanoa looks really boring.

>>55166051
The commander sealed decks are pretty decent and fun. Do you have any legendary creatures you already own that you particularly like?

>>55166051
Edric. Buy 50 or so dollars of unblockable creatures and go to town.
>>55166053
You can see about Inked Gaming.

>>55166070
That sounds fun. I'm in.

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>>55162503
>What, if any, is your favorite fuckoff huge commander?

The closest would be Karona only because I love making her 21/21 unblockable cant attack me must attack every turn.

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>4 man topdeck war
>draw pic related
>x=17
>mfw

>>55166177
wont people just blow their hands then?

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>>55166201
by topdeck war I mean everyone had an empty hand because of pic related played by guy across from me

>>55166201
>top deck war
>hurr durr won't they just blow their hands

Can you read?

>>55166243
i didnt know what top deck war meant, sorry

>>55166177
>topdeck war
>not having a graveyard full of flashback/unearth cards

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How do I make this shitter competitive? I have an extensive list of 1-2 mana spells that make him take out the trash, but he is absolutely allergic to removal and forced sac and I don't see any way to beat that

>>55166372
Run more counterspells, more hexproofers, and more cards like Monastery Mentor and Young Pyromancer.

>>55163226
Damn they suck. Get a few guys and make rules about how competitive a deck can be. Like infinites allowed but no shit like t3 doomsday into win bs. Or make a group with one jank one meh and one good commander keeps the spirit of the game in.

>>55166397
I don't really see the point of playing him if you are not going to use him for the kill. I've got a few counters, but winning lines require a precise amount of all-colored mana from all 3 colors and getting there takes too long imo even with rocks. And he is not Geist that you can just play t3 and forget

>>55166463
You have YP and MM as contingency plans and distractions. They look a lot more threatening to most people than Shu Yun.

Boros Charm or Teferi's Protection?

>>55166372
Play him as izzet splashed white, everyone tries to plau too much white in him. Punish people for thinking youre playing voltron while you storm off. Also dont be afraid to flash out infect onto him, he counts to 10 a lot easier than 21.

>>55166481
Boros Charm. If they can win once chances are they can win twice, and Charm can actually advance your own agenda.

>>55166505
>>55166481

Teferi's protection is like wayyyy wayyy more powerful, not even close. Not sure what that other guy is thinking.

>>55166481
Why cant you play both? From a mechanics standpoint boros is easier to cast if your landbase is correctly made but phasing is truely unfuckable.

How can you force your opponents into suffering Worldgorger's ETB? I want to run a RB(x) deck centered around Worldgorger Dragon, and I'm wondering if it would be better just to focus on the infinite plays, or to have contingencies in case you don't go infinite like intended.

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>>55166552

>>55166552
Everyone will treat it like youre comboing anyways, so protect the combo and make sure you can have it work when its time to win. Dont enable your deck to durdle, because it will just durdle.

>>55166583
Fair enough. Should I go RBU for the extra drawpower and counterspells for protection, or just RB?

>>55166577
So, if their Worldgorgers die, could you respond to the leaves play trigger with Sundial of the Infinite to leave their boards exiled?

Also, what happens if someone drops a kicked Rite of Replication on Worldgorger?

>>55163226
>>55163257
>>55166452
>why don't you all play what I want you to play
>alright, lets make the cringiest fun police deck to put you in your place
>why are you all attacking me? you could just play some shitty creatures you don't have in your deck or watch me play the game while digging for removal
>oh no, my meta solution doesn't work, you guys are the worst, why even play magic anymore
/tg/ has spoken

Is sensei's top essential in every deck?

>>55166235
I hate how they keep adding nods to Kamigawa in supplemental but have made it clear we're never ever going back.

>>55166718

Essential? Only in some decks. Is it optimal to have it? In most decks yes

>Take out Hardened Scales and put in Teferi's Protection
>Deck goes from 45% to 100% competitive

>>55166767

Wat

>>55164503
Anon that's been talking about Worldgorger a bunch here.

Worldgorger is $1, Necromancy is $3, Animate Dead is <$1, as is Dance of the Dead. There are plenty of ETB effects in RB that can go infinite for game (Gary, that one desert, etc.) that are all cheap. Between Buried Alive ($3) and a bunch of looting and wheel cards, you'll likely be able to turbo into this combo pretty quickly, with a pretty cheap shell. Your commander doesn't even really matter, as long as you have RB. Jeleva, Tymaret, and Breya can all act as your infinite facilitator.

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How would you go building Ramos Dragonstorm? What cheap spell 1-2 color spells are there i could use to push that storm count up? Is it worth it to run Primal Vigor and Doubling Season or can i get away with only Hardened Scales, Winding Conscriptor and Corpsejack Menace?

>>55166806
Manamorphose (2 colors 0 mana cantrip essentially)
Frantic Search (can provide a net plus in mana if you have lands that produce more than one, filters cards from hand as well)
To Arms and Refocus if you have any mana dorks

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>Putting together Mairsil
>Realize the foil Quicksilver Elemental I ordered the day Mairsil was spoiled never arrived
>It was $2 then
>It's $12 now

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what are the chances of drawing both in a single game?

>>55166912
>asking this when black has access to the best tutors in the game

>>55166926
whats a tutor? specific card draw?

>>55166938
A card that let's you search for another card. Black usually doesn't have the limitations others do and lets you tutor for any kind of card.

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>>55166912
Play BW.

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>>55166912
Depends on how many cards you draw, champ.

>>55166912
That depends on how much card draw and deck rigging your deck includes.

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>>55166938
It's a term that originated from Demonic Tutor. It's an effect that lets you search your library for a card.

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>>55166912
Pretty good.

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>>55166962
I need this card

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>the year 2017
>werewolves still suck ass

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>>55167268
>in the year of our lord Megaman X Seven
>golems still suck ass

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>>55167297
Do you think if New Phyrexia invades a plane, they'll bring some Myr with them? They printed some Myr tribal cards but it seems like it would be pretty hard to get more legitimate support for them if we have to wait until we go back each time.

>>55167351
>New Phyrexia
>Invading a plane

Disregarding the lore issues with this, I think they'd bring whatever was least conspicuous first, and Myr are pretty conspicuous outside of Mirrodin.

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>Darksteel Plate equipped to Mairsil
>while Nev's Disk is caged

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>>55167363
They set it up in multiple possible ways with Kaladesh figuring out planar portal technology, with Jin Gitaxias being aware of other planes, and with Venser's corpse being unaccounted for. Also, it's been said by MaRo that Phyrexia is more likely to come to us than it is for us to go back. We'll be seeing Invasion 2: The Obligatory Sequel at some point.

Thoughts on magic players /tg/?

Seems about 90% of the player base have no ambition or anything and I want to know why this is.

Many aren't working, are working at McDonald's or similar, aren't studying and are generally just not going anywhere, out of the maybe 60 or so people I've met through playing, only 2-3 have had their life "together" in the reasonable sense.

Why is this?

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>>55162503
I am angry, angry about things that aren't smashing two action figures together.

>>55167514
>ogre
>clearly a giant
I fucking hate alt art.

>>55167514
>the Unbowed
>is in chains that force him to bow

>>55167501
that is your subjective perspective BUT magic probably draws lots of introverts and nerds and social rejects

>>55167501
Probably becuase you're hanging around shitty game shops? Of the like five people I'm acquainted with who play magic, one has his bachelor's degree and is continuing to study to become a doctor, two others are pretty young and in college, one quit his job at the game store to get a real job but I haven't seen him in six months so I don't know a lot. And the last one I also haven't seen.

Also this is shitty bait in so much as if you're talking about 60 people you're saying you're getting to know on a personal level SIXTY different nerds you met drafting or playing EDH? If you didn't really get to know them then you can't make a fucking judgement on how their life is going. Got me to respond.

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>>55167532
>>55167543
Yeah, probably why they didn't use that art.

>>55167546
>>55167572
I don't need to know every intimate detail of their life to evaluate how well it's going - ask if they work, ask where they work, ask if they study, ask what they want to do with their life going forward. That's generally all you're going to need to know to get an assessment of whether they are doing well (from society's perspective) and that takes all of 5 minutes of conversation. That might be hard for a bloated corpse of a NEET like yourself but some of us can make conversation with numerous people.

>>55166858
>foil one goes for under 50 cents on MCM
how the hell us market get inflated so easily?

>>55167611
You say that like "that art" was ever in the running to be used. That's a fan alter done with random, unfitting generic fantasy art by someone on mtgsalvation.

>>55167662
But anon, it's a ugly big guy with two heads, it's obviously Ruric.

>>55167501
I have no intention of doing anything with my life and people who are busy all the time aren't good LGS attendants either. There are a few people with well-paid, but lax schedule IT jobs and a few people who teach at college, a psychologist, a couple of lawyers playing cringecore 3-hour duels with the hardest control.

I'm much more worried about people with prestigious jobs and families who spend a lot of time and money for card games. Myself, I would never want to do well from society's standpoint

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Hey /edh/ I've only ever played modern so I know next to nothing about edh really but I have a question. How does Tasigur perform as a commander? Been playing him for ages and he's really grown on me. Would love to make a deck with him top billing.

>>55167682
Bretty good/incredibly good if you know how to give orders to people

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>>55167004

Pic related generates the damage itself, but you do need to have a vampire in play, so it's pretty much six of one, half dozen of the other in that regard.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-08-17-draconic-domination-wubrg-dragon-tribal-c17-p-/

what should i exchange from the maybeboard?

Tfw playing some casual edh and a guy shows up with a brutal combo deck, whatever.

He shows me his vintage deck, which has authentic autographed black lotus, moxes, time walk, etc. It's not edh but I've never seen a deck that cost so much. It made me feel happy to know those decks actually exist.

I've been wanting to try to build a diao chan deck, but I can't stop putting things like Braid of Fire in, how do I keep a deck casual in mono red?

>>55167815
However you want. There is almost nothing you can do to make monored competitive if it's not Daretti stax. Even Hidetsugu and Krenko combos are not considered competitive enough

Which commander should I build next?

>Shirei Tempo
>Marisil Storm
>Mazirek Persist
>BW Daxos Prison
>Karametra Drawgo Goodstuff

>tfw you could have won a game but you made a bad play on turn 5 and never recovered from it

>>55165146
My friend plays a Krenko deck and if you don't focus her down early it reaches a point where there's very little counterplay

>>55167883
Krenko needs a god-tier hand to go off early.
Otherwise you're just likely to take one guy out of the game before getting wrathed and having little chance tonrecover.

>>55165424
How are you seeing competitiveness on tapped out?

>>55167870
Literally why Marsil in storm

>>55167918
Because Kess draws hate, duh.

>>55167929
But storm doesn't. So, it's a one-time trick until your opponents see you go off and know it's not jank tribal?

>>55167918
Use Marsil as an infinite cast/mana producer, while being able to play the deck as a non-storm midrange deck if people start to get too antsy after I go off one game.

>>55167915
Click edit and save it to prompt an update.

>>55167955
And then busting out storm again out of nowhere

>>55167955
Being able to play Dralnu without the downsides is really nice, too.

>>55167980
>>55167929
I know. I already run Kess, also.

>>55167992
I didn't mean Kess was an alternate Dralnu, thought it still applies.
I meant you can literally run Dralnu in Mairsil so you can "use" him without the downsides

Is Chandra, Torch of Defiance any good in EDH or should I sell her before she rotates out of standard?

>>55168030
I didn't think of that. Really should've. Wow, thanks anon.

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Alright boys, gonna make Boros Myr Tribal with the metalcraft anthem guy at the helm, gimme some spicy shit for it. Yes, I know it's gonna be trash but if I can pull off a win the shit talking will never end

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>>55168069

>>55168049
She is the best red is going to get in a long time

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>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ghost-councillor/
>100% Competitive

I think the meter is broken.
I'm not even using Sol Ring, since my playgroup's allergic to it, or the >>55166912 combo.

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>>55168261
yeah I thought I was a tactical genius for a second there

>>55168261
The meter is very inaccurate.
I think it was last thread that someone had a deck with Tomorrow and 99 islands and it was still 20% competitive.

>>55168261
I too am running karlov and i hit 100%

i think its bugged>>55162572

>>55168426
I mean, getting random weird numbers is fine, but showing 100% is unexpected. Has anyone managed to get a 0% competitive deck yet?

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>>55162572
>>55168471
>Playing 2 Angels
>Playing Radiant Fountain

Get Seraph Sanctuary instead. Having the chance to trigger 3 times or more is much better, and it's like twenty cents.

Also, scrap the Vivid land. You're only playing 2 colors, you don't need it.

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>>55166767
Adding teferis protection makes decks 100% competitive by default apparently.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/meter-testing/
The ultimate casual experience.

Allright, long time ago.. about 5/6 months i drunkenly stumbled upon /EDHG/ and talked about Sharuum the Hegemon. Some anon asked for a decklist, and i promised i would make one but never bothered to make it. Until today.

This one's for you anon, hope you remember: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-09-17-sharuum-the-hegemon-edh/

O yeah.. feedback would be appreciated. Apperently it's 100% competitive, but who are they kidding.

So, I've got the wizard prfecon, and I've got some ideas for upgrading it.

I've also been tempted by angry omnath and nekuscar as other decks, of which I'm thinking maybe doing the nekuscar one.

I'm just deliberating if I go all in on the draw, the wheels, and so on, or if I put in manabards, citpain, discard stuff to make the deck more of a group punish one.

>>55168774
Wheels on wheels is too much fun, the combos you can pull off are too much fun.

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>>55166372
Use Vanishing. People lose their shit if they can't target him during their turn and phasing makes it where he's non-existant.

>>55162534
mine is a 3/3 (grixis marchesa), the other two are 2/2 (jarad leto and arcum)

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I see that the new Ixalan legends are going to be popular new commanders for their respective tribes, anyone else here planning on building merfolk?

This is my first tribal and first time playing green, any tips/improvements would be welcome. (Wastes are placeholders for new Ixalan cards +Kruphix)

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-08-17-merfolk-madness/

I just bought draconic domination. Will I regret this decision?

I wish I wasn't two hours away from any store. I only know 2 other people who play and they're awful.

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>>55168893
>tfw bought Dragon precon and built Ur-Dragon
>tfw it's a blast even though i get focussed hard just because i play big dudes
>tfw i still recover and some times win from 10-15 life regularly
>tfw casting Ur-Dragon and attacking with your team to draw 4, kill a guy and drop an Omnicience then proceed to chain dragon after dragon and you have lethal for everyone else, pass the turn

I just resleeved a deck and did a tune up a couple decks for the walker change. Is there anything more comfy than sleeving up a deck you know is good?
>admiring your synergies and combos, especially the ones you made on your own without guides
>getting to enjoy your foils instead of having to slam and jam them to win games
>appreciating your decks workhorses that get you kills

>>55168970
Nice

>>55168989
Double sleeving is a nightmare for me to be honest. I've recently started resleeving all my deck into dragonshields matte + dragonshields perfect fit and it takes forever.

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>>55168970
>all these Ur-Dragons running around finally lets me get some major mileage out of my pet card
>tfw have had other players actively protect my Hero just so I can keep shitting on the Ur-Dragon player

>>55168069
Sunforger plus fork, master warcraft, second sunrise etc.

>>55168824
True, I'm just thinking that can I really fill it with just wheeels and such? People will probably be discarding a lot anyway, so putting in a couple of discard synergies makes sense, and putting in some generic pain hate like mana barbs or whatever means that yeah they might be getting to play more stuff because of more in hand but itll be hurting them.

I am also totally putting forced fruition in the deck though because it's just stupid. "Whenever an opponent plays a spell they draw 7" is wonderful for nekuscar. Bonus points if I combine it with stuff like jaces archivist or any other instant speel "discard, each player draws equal to the most that was discarded."

I want to build Nazahn, but I don't want to do just voltron with him, even though that seems to be the best way to win. What's some secret jank that I can use with him?

>>55169111
Putting in combo cards like waste not, megrim, and phyrexian tyrany is a great idea and helps out the strategy. My favorite card is spiteful visions because the potential for self damage is counteracted by most black decks already wanting to play phyrexian arena effects and it keeps you in the game even when youre getting shut down for putting out too much damage. Also its nekusar, not nekuscar.

>>55169164
Playing a different commander, hes literally an equipment tutor in the command zone. You're playing equipment voltron or not playing him.

>>55169188
Well, why wouldn't you be able to go wide with him to abuse his tap ability?

>>55169198
Because those creatures need to be equipped to tap? if youre doing that you might as well use leonin shakiri and move all the equipment to your commander after you tap down all their dudes and win with an alpha strike instead of durdling. Also if you want secret tech, you want conjurers closet and eldrazi displacer.

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don't attack me or my planeswalker ever again

>>55165985
I really want to kill everyone with Infinite Mana and Fireball. But I guess that Sunscorched Desert with Worldgorger Dragon combo is also fun.

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>>55166767
>change 1 mountain into scavenger grounds
>44% comp to 100%
Not the same anon

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>>55169215
>Use Leonin Shakiri and move all the equipment to your commander after you tap down all their dudes and win with an alpha strike.
This is what I'm talking about. Thanks, anon. That's a really good idea.

>>55169240
Get a puresteel paladin, a sram, nihiri and batterskull. Go nuts anon.

>>55166806
abzan and jund charms will get you a ramos trigger by themselves, if that helps

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>tfw friend who constantly complains when people play blue/control says to me he's going to build a kaalia deck.

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>>55169309
It sounds like you're about to encounter dark times, take this ward to protect you from bullshit

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Currently playing Wort, Bogart Auntie (the BR one, not the RG one) goblin tribal and Im getting stomped by decks that ramp to higher mana costs.

Considering the top of my curve is 5 (not counting the commander tax), Im tempted to go with a MLD subtheme. What cards are must have for this? Im currently playing pic and Epicentre.

Also, does MLD really cause that much salt when played?

>>55169403
>Also, does MLD really cause that much salt when played?
If you're doing it to solidify your lead and proceed to win, then it's not a huge issue.
If you're doing it for shits and giggles the pace of the game suddenly becomes very painful.

Hello friends,

I want to make an Inala Reanimator deck a bit more competitive, what are the garbage cards from the precon to remove, what are some essentials to put in?

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>trying to consolidate as many cards as possible from a single seller
>still pay like 40% just for shipping costs because I need a ton of bargain bin cards
The true cost of magiccardmarket.

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Considering creating a spider themed commander deck with Ishkanah as my commander, likely with dredge shenanigans or token multipliers. Any fun tech to toss in?

>>55169465
>what are the garbage cards from the precon to remove
A little over half the deck.
Even more so if you're gearing it for the graveyard.
Spend some time looking through the card library and see what suits you, too many "Building X, what to add" comments and eventually people just stop looking their way.

>>55169473
Are you using Shopping Wizard? I'd highly suggest it to reduce costs both on cards and shipment while it's still free

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if my cards don't arrive for the weekend i'm going to scream

>>55169473
>shop commons and uncommons on Amazon
>usually free shipping
Makes me feel like a casual but it's convenient.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-09-17-neheb-the-burninator/

Been having quite a bit of fun with this deck lately.

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>>55169507
>order a foil riptide lab before it doubled in price
>never arrived

>>55169403
This is my recomendation for every 2 color deck that includes red that is struggling, play bloodmoon. You can skew your landbase to not crap out on you while you have it out and can still play shit like cabal coffers+urborg because theyre going to get locked down by the moon and you wont need those lands because you won. It boosts your other shenanigans to happen with one less removal spell from an opponent.

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>>55169403

>>55169473
>trying to buy cards as Eurotrash
>majority not available, cards in German and French are everywhere

>>55169488
I have a generally good idea of what to add, I just never know what to get rid of or keep sadly

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>>55169548
Yeah, my problem was that I needed a lot of shitty somewhat older cards most of the bigger shops don't carry either.

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Fun for everyone cards only

>>55168261
I swapped out Hardened Scales for Teferi's Protection and my deck went from 45% competitive to 100%.

I really don't understand the purpose of this meter.

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>>55169524
it's surprising how mono R can be so fun

>>55162503

>Question

Skullbriar

It's a stealth marit lage deck tho
Lots of ramp, card search, vesuva/thespian stage, that vampire who removes counters, etc

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>>55169564
Posting Fractured Identity tech

>>55165267
Yes. It'll give you a vague idea of how good your deck is, but don't take it too seriously.

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>>55169403
Jank I use in my Ruric.

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How do I have some fun spirit action without trying to do a dumb "I auto win" strategy

>>55164750
Not much. If you want to have a decent chance of actually beating a cedh deck, look up deck techs on hulkweaver, stax, etc. Build a stax deck that counters those things. Most cedh decks will stomp onetrick Inalla into the ground.

>>55169668
As long as you think losing is fun then you're good to go.

>>55169473
have you tried this site? https://magiccardwantlist.wente.dk

it's free for orders with card value under 10€ and it's great for buying a lot of cheap cards

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>>55168970
>Dragon Tempest
>Fist of Suns
>Ramalamadingdong the Dragon Wagon
>then 5 for the Ur-Dragon
>then the Ramos Points for O-Kagachi
>then Dragon Storm
>Atarka, Scourge of Valkas, 3 other big guys
>kill two guys from Tempest + Valkas
>kill the other with far too many big dragons

>>55165146
I do notice he tends to get hated off the board first no matter what other really strong commanders are in play. Even though he's not actually that good.
You could try converting to locust god, if your deck is anything like mine you can use a lot of the same good red cards and artifacts, plus actual card draw, counters and things.

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>>55169752
>Mfw they put Utvara Hellkite in this deck.
>Mfw swinging with 20+ dragons, drawing 20, placing done Omniscience and dumping my hand to pass.

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What color combination kills abosolutely everything, and why is it Mardu?

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Did I win or did I just break it?

>>55169966
A bunch of people have been getting 100% in this thread. Seems like it's fucky lately.

>>55162594
The best I can think of is Engineered Plague or Night of Soul's Betrayal with a Tainted Aether out and enough self mill to keep filling their yards. You still lose to spellslinger though

>Bought GW for Nazahn today
>Chucked in a couple of basic, and obvious improvements
>Some mates did the same with the other 3 products
>tl;dr of improvements - better lands, obvious support, general/supposed tech
>GW Nazahn outpaced almost each deck, even at parity I was still the most consistent threat
>5c Dragons was an absolute beast late game, but relies a bit too much on having multiple dragons out at the same time
>Wizards are underwhelming, like, surprisingly so - Felt like a Jeleva deck that hadn't been tuned yet.
>Vampires are fun, group huggy Mathas is a little slow but actually emphasises teamwork moreso than bullying.

So far, my group has decided:

Nazhan > Ur > Mirri > ArtifactDragon > Mathas > Inalla > Cage Dude > The other Vampire legendary

Didn't play with the others not mentioned because they didn't interest us.

8/10 release though.

>>55169957
>the 3 colors that have EVERY traditional wrath
Well, yeah.

>>55169981
Just wanted to make sure, the deck usually wins by turn 6 so I wasnt sure. I also didnt have teferis protection which appearently automatically gives you 100%.

>>55170002
Teferi's Protection seems to be the thing doing it for people.

>>55167351
The only Myr I need are the ones I get off of Myr Incubator (but some more wouldn't hurt since I run a few other Myr combos like Sire Mirrorworks and Galvanizer).

>>55169753
Im actually going to switch it into Zada goblin tribal and stuff. It'll still be explosive but Zada isn't as scary. All my untap effects (umbral mantle, Thornbury staff, etc.) Will just go straight into a Merieke Ri Berit deck where they will be just as brutal.

>>55170013
So does that mean my mizzix is a legit 100% competetive?

>>55169957
Mono White alone is able to deal with everything, splashes only add spice.
Too bad this color spice don't really add something powerful like a blue does with counterspells and green with ramp. It solves card draw and amplifies removal with black, but red brings nothing relevant to the table.

>>55170027
No. >>55168261 is 100% and doesn't have Teferi's Protection either.

>>55169569
Now I kinda want a Megumin alter for Neheb.

>>55169465
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/inallas-miraculous-magus-machine/

Here's what I run, anon. Keep in mind that it isn't meant to be a pure reanimator deck and is more Wizardball with some reanimator elements that help me hit combos. I may add a couple more reanimation targets like Jin Jan The Augur Man

Anyone here running the flip walkers as commanders? Y'all excited to be able to have your general flipped and another version of them in play?

My Chandra deck gets to run more Chandra's. Which makes Oath much better. And Gauntlets.

>>55169998
Wizards are terrifying if you put in some good burn cards and recylce the shit out of those.

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Time for a guessing game! Show your mana curves and competitive rating and other anons will guess what your deck is and then tell you how stupid the rating scale is!

What are the worst kinds of EDH players?

Personally I feel like people who hold a grudge to the previous games winner and relentlessly go after everything they put out even when it's not a threat are the worst. Say for example the previous winner has a Fires of Yavimaya out they'll destroy that instead of some dude's Doubling Season who has Planeswalkers out on the field.

I can't stand playing in groups with these kinds of people because they ruin games.

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>>55170146

>>55170181
Marath?

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>>55170074
I'm thinking about abusing Flash, Reanimation enchantments and Dragon Mage/ Worldgorger Dragon along with thr usual combo package. So I can kill Wizards-style Fireballin' and Comet Storming at instant speed.

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>>55170191
Yep. Not hard to guess when there's three good Naya commanders.

>>55169486
>likely with dredge shenanigans or token multipliers
I built that deck as soon as it was spoiled
its ok
inf mana = inf dmg def would include that

>>55170166
I've found I've disliked almost every single person I've played EDH with.

This says more about me than anything.

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>That feel when you Bloodforged Battle-Axe and have it carry you through the round

Pretty nuts.

>>55170166
>What are the worst kinds of EDH players?
young loud kids
rules lawyers
complainers

>>55170166
>What are the worst kinds of EDH players?
people who let an arms race turn edh from a johnny format into a spike format

>>55170257
Debating whether or not I should replace Basilisk Collar with that or not. I'm running Marath so tokens are always welcome but deathtouch and lifelink are good too.

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Give me one good reason to not play this deck

>>55170002
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/meter-testing-2/

Teferi's Protection isn't entirely a magic ticket, but it does apparently contribute quite a lot.

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Rate my Prossh commander.

>>55170306
Well what's the competitive rating?

>>55170314
Oh right, I'm assuming you're on mobile and it won't show.

It's 70%.

>>55170311
prossh/10

>>55170166
cEDH faggots who can't comprehend why anyone would want to play casually (75% meme or no). cEDH faggots who can dial it back for less competitive groups are OK.

They're followed by metagamers as you describe and autists who screech and become rabid dogs at the first sign of interaction -- Counter, destroy, or exile anything on the tabl through any targeted or mass (rather than dead-man-switch like Grave Pact) mechanism and they will be throwing everything they have at you until one of you is dead. It doesn't even have to be something of theirs, just proving you have removal of any permanent type in your deck is sufficient to set some of these folks off.

>>55170301
well I know nothing about the deck so I can't
though it is a deck posted on /edhg/ so its going to suck

>>55170328
Nah I'm on my computer and it's not showing. Also Jesus Christ.

Also what's driving up Teferi's Protection so much? Can players in Modern/Legacy/Vintage use it?

>>55170311
fog/10

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I already ordered Ripjaw so should I order this too? I could use another flyer in my deck to use with Wolf Run and it has a pretty sweet effect and it's $3 right now.

>>55170344
Modern? No.
Legacy and Vintage? Yes.

>>55170291
I'd run both. Marath turns Basilisk Collar into an easy killspell and the Axe is just fun.

>>55170352
fog is unironically one of the best instances of all time

>>55170166
>Have a Forgotten Ancient out on the board with three counters and nothing else
>Using it to just block and not swinging at anyone
>Guy kills it just because I won the last game
>Other guy has a Primeval out

Yeah fuck these kinds of people to be honest.

>>55170369
Generally you want to wait until packs of a set are actually being cracked, most cards will drop a little then.

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>>55170380

>building edgar markov
>just ordered every single b/w sorin I could find
>tfw got a t. chinese patriarchs bidding for 8€

Considering the english version is 18€ this is fine i guess.

>>55170260
>rules lawyers

How are rules lawyers a problem in a game like magic?

The term was made up to insult people shackled to rules in rpgs, where you can freeform a bit an it will enhance the experience.

In magic everything should be codified and you shouldn't be mocked for being a judge and knowing the rules. Or do you seriously grab everyone's sengir vampires from across the table when you play Baron Sengir and go "lol come on guys, I know it's not in the rules but they would never attack their sire XD"

>>55170384
Idk man, people had so little hope for HoU that everything playable spiked after release, except for the 2 cards which people wanted which were Nicky B and Crucible snek

Since people have hype for Ixalan, then yeah, time to wait

>>55170409
>How are rules lawyers a problem in a game like magic?
wanting to look up every single rule that a given game comes across
>dude doubling season only doubles loyalty counters when it enters
>im going to look it up
>grinds game to a screeching halt

>>55170442
Neck yourself

>>55170442
Except they're not wrong. Loyalty counters gained through abilities also double.