/hwg/ - Historical Wargames General

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>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warhammer Historical
https://mega.nz/#F!LxkElYYY!FJB5miNmlWZKMj2VfSYdxg
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf

Desired scans :
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
Modern Spearhead

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August the 30th in military history:

1282 – Peter III of Aragon lands at Trapani to intervene in the War of the Sicilian Vespers.
1363 – The five-week Battle of Lake Poyang begins, in which the forces of two Chinese rebel leaders (Chen Youliang and Zhu Yuanzhang) meet to decide who will supplant the Yuan dynasty.
1799 – The entire Dutch fleet is captured by British forces during the War of the Second Coalition.
1813 – First Battle of Kulm: French forces are defeated by an Austrian-Prussian-Russian alliance.
1813 – Creek War: Fort Mims massacre: Creek "Red Sticks" kill over 500 settlers (including over 250 armed militia) in Fort Mims, north of Mobile, Alabama.
1862 – American Civil War: Battle of Richmond: Confederates under Edmund Kirby Smith rout Union forces under General Horatio Wright.
1896 – Philippine Revolution: After Spanish victory in the Battle of San Juan del Monte, eight provinces in the Philippines are declared under martial law by the Spanish Governor-General Ramón Blanco y Erenas.
1914 – World War I: Germans defeat the Russians in the Battle of Tannenberg.
1917 – Vietnamese prison guards led by Trịnh Văn Cấn mutiny at the Thái Nguyên penitentiary against local French authority.
1918 – Fanni Kaplan shoots and seriously injures Bolshevik leader Vladimir Lenin, which along with the assassination of Bolshevik senior official Moisei Uritsky days earlier, prompts the decree for Red Terror.
1922 – Battle of Dumlupınar: The final battle in the Greco-Turkish War ("Turkish War of Independence").
1942 – World War II: The Battle of Alam el Halfa begins.
1945 – Hong Kong is liberated from Japan by British Armed Forces.
1945 – The Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Douglas MacArthur lands at Atsugi Air Force Base.
1945 – The Allied Control Council, governing Germany after World War II, comes into being.
1963 – The Moscow–Washington hotline between the leaders of the U.S.A. and the USSR goes into operation.

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It is 654 years since the start of the battle of Lake Poyang, one of the final battles fought in the fall of China's Mongol-led Yuan Dynasty. There were at this time a number of rebel groups who sought to topple the reigning dynasty; the three most powerful were the Ming, the Han, and the Wu. The relieving navy of the Ming, under Zhu Yuanzhang, met the Nanchang-besieging Han navy on Lake Poyang, China's largest freshwater lake.

Though at a numerical disadvantage, the more nimble Ming fleet, and their tactic of employing fire ships to attack, achieved the upper hand over the heavier 'tower ships' of the Han, destroying their armada. The ensuing Ming victory here ensured Zhu's ascending the throne as Hongwu Emperor when the Yuan Dynasty finally fell five years later.

The battle began as an amphibious siege by the Han against the Ming-held town of Nanchang. The city defended itself well and resisted. A Ming messenger managed to break through the Han fleet's blockade, getting out a call for help to Zhu Yuanzhang. The majority of the Ming forces, in particular its ships, were occupied at the time in fighting the Wu Kingdom elsewhere, but Zhu nevertheless arrived with what force he could muster. These ships were, on average, smaller than the Han ships, which meant a disadvantage in size and strength, but also great advantages in speed, maneuverability, and viability in shallow waters. The summer sun had already caused the lake's water level to drop considerably, to the Ming's advantage. They sailed for nine days from Zhu's capital Nanjing to Nanchang.

By the time the Ming fleet arrived, Chen Youliang, the Han commander, realised that Nanchang was not going to surrender soon, and so he redirected his focus on defeating the arriving Ming fleet. Knowing that his own fleet was suited more for siege than for naval combat, he hoped to finish the battle quickly, before the water levels sank any further.

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>>55125000
The Ming fleet divided itself into eleven squadrons, with the heavier ships at the centre; a number of their warriors disembarked to bolster the Nanchang garrison. Following the Ming arrival, both fleets dropped anchor for the night. The fighting commenced the following morning, on 30 August.

The core of the Ming fleet made a frontal assault on the Han ships, while some of the other squadrons moved to positions from which they could launch trebuchets, fire ships, and other explosives and the like. Though they managed to set more than twenty Han ships alight, their own flagship was set aflame by the Han. Zhu rushed to extinguish the flames as the Han fleet concentrated all their attacks on his ship; the situation quickly grew worse for Zhu as the ship hit a sandbar and got stuck. The Han circled around and continued to attack with arrows and fire. However, the Ming fleet quickly came to the rescue of their commander, the waves created by their very movement shaking the flagship free.

The lighter, smaller Ming ships became grounded several times more during the battle, due to their attempts to encircle the Han ships and to board their enemies' ships; the Han intentionally kept to the deeper waters and made no attempts of boarding attacks.

That night the Ming ships were sent downstream a short way for repairs and regrouping. Zhu's plan had failed, but the battle was not over yet. The following day involved the creation and launching of fire ships by the Ming. Small rafts and fishing boats were loaded up with bales of straw and gunpowder, set aflame, and launched toward the enemy fleet. Dummies with armour and weapons were placed on the fireships as well, to aid in confusing and tricking the enemy. Due to a favourable wind, and the tight formation of the Han fleet, the fire ships were very successful, and many Han ships were either destroyed or suffered extensive damage.

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>>55125020
After spending more than a full day repairing their ships, both fleets returned to battle two days later on 2 September. Seeing the consequences of a tight formation, Chen Youliang tried a more open formation. But this only allowed the Ming to execute their originally-intended grappling and boarding attacks.

News came to Zhu around this time that his ground forces had relieved Nanchang from the siege. The Ming fleet began to retreat to the mouths of the Yangzi and Gan Rivers, their defeat of the Han being all but complete. However, rather than retreating entirely, the Ming fleet remained for a month, blockading and watching the Han fleet. Neither commander wanted a war of attrition, and so there was little or no combat action for a month. On 4 October the final elements of the battle played out. The Ming employed fire ships once again, and at one point in the conflict Chen Youliang suffered an arrow through his skull and died. The Han surrendered shortly afterwards.

Medieval Chinese warfare usually recieves little attention from Western gamers, but this massive scrap is just begging to be played. DBM could work; Book IV has Han and Ming lists, with extensive naval options; they can take up to six tower ships as Irregular Ships (Superior) with a full complement of troops. Alternately appropriate medieval naval rules would do, but I doubt there's a set covering the variety offered by this. There is also the weirdness of fighting on a lake as well; pretty rare historically, it would making manevoure even more important than ever.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/kk3eu0mdwzvw8zl/Osprey+-+MAA+251+-+Medieval+Chinese+Armies+1260-1520.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/xxinw6cpat2etv3/Osprey+-+NVA+044+-+Siege+Weapons+of+the+Far+East+%282%29+960-1644.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/pwevlhivkg75h8p/Osprey+-+NVA+061+-+Fighting+Ships+of+the+Far+East+%281%29+China+and+Southeast+Asia+202+BC+-+AD+1419.pdf

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Is there a consensus on the new relaunched /hwg/ community project?

Welp, wargames supplement I'm co-authoring got announced.

Time to start panicking.

>>55125997
It'd be a shame if as part of your panic a link was posted to what you're talking about

Can I get a scan of Osprey MAA 108, British Equipment 1908-2000 or something like that?

>>55125048
>Medieval Chinese warfare usually recieves little attention from Western gamers

Sadly true that. I think it's due in part to a lack of unbiased information on both sides.

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>>55129126
https://mega.nz/#!Hp9SzDbK!S8ZtO2IiYZ8YMXwvKkFU1_U2bWXINAyXZeF1_NrQIbo

>>55129982
>Sadly true that. I think it's due in part to a lack of unbiased information on both sides.
Osprey is a hell of a lot worse when it comes to spreading misinformation,which unfortunately seeps its way into miniatures and rule sets.

>>55132368
Now imagine Osprey's Chinese wars series.

>>55132242
Aesthetic as fuck.

>>55132371
>Now imagine Osprey's Chinese wars series.
Yea,my comment was directed at Osprey's medieval Chinese.
http://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com/2015/11/100th-post-p1.html

They do a much better job on earlier periods such as the Qin or the Tang where they have statues and murals as reference.

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>>55132517
Kickin' it Charles Grant Style

>>55132604
I take it you are by yourself cuz I don't imagine a second player having the patience to lay down all the nice smoke in between shots.

>>55132242
What system?

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>>55134027
The minis are actually based for Charles Grant's classic "The War Game" rules, but funnily enough on this occasion they were using Black Powder
http://littlejohnslead.blogspot.co.nz/2010/03/battle-of-vier-arme.html

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>>55133900
there are plenty of games which specifically place smoke markers to signify units which have fired, so I think it's entirely possible that you might find 2 players willing to do such a thing.

pic related is from a 4 player game for example.

A S L scenarios

on flaming media

/file/vp5ajdak8klqd3c/ASL_Scenarios_-_Schwerpunkt_-_SP001-108.pdf

/file/xcqe63fkraf3wxy/ASL_Scenarios_-_Schwerpunkt_-_SP109-120.pdf

/file/f8iqctnco24abw1/ASL_Scenarios_-_Schwerpunkt_-_SP121-180.pdf

For the Trove (OP)

>>55125048
Lake Poyang was at times as large as 6000 square kilometer (although now it is only half as large as it used to be), almost as large as a small sea.

To the anon who uploaded Battlefield Evolution to the folder - thanks a lot mate!

And on a slightly relevant topic: anyone played these rules back in the day? I seem to stumble upon the good Mongoose rules some 10 years after their glory days. Also, if anyone happens to have the expansions, please upload them somewhere.

>>55127585
New book for Skirmish Sangin focusing on special forces stuff. Not yet ready for the exact details but it's on the larger side for supplements.

http://skirmishsangin.freeforums.net/thread/337/plausible-deniability-spec-skirmish-sangin

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>>55125069
http://www.strawpoll.me/13778923/r


Right now its a four way tie. If it stays that way till Friday, then we might have a runoff. So if you haven't voted but care, then vote!

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>>55125069
damn, she's cute

>>55132368

Osprey blows dead bears when it come to historical accuracy, but what I referring to is the fact that a lot Chinese historical records haven't been systematically studied like elsewhere. That means it's either accepted at face value or dismissed as fables/propaganda.

It would be like never having checked Herodotus against various other sources, archeological finds, etc. and then either dismissing his work entirely or credulously accepting it.

>>55138531
I hope "second rate troops" win, I'd have to purchase things otherwise.

What do yall think of Chain of Command?

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>>55138531
Remember to Pokemon Go to the polls lads

>>55130070
Thanks for the Osprey

BRDM

>>55135245
thank you

>>55139641
>but what I referring to is the fact that a lot Chinese historical records haven't been systematically studied like elsewhere.
This is categorically false,there are plenty of books that cross check archaeological works(accounting records,slips) with secondary compilations written by court bureaucrats.

Using Han ferrous metallurgy as an example,archaeologists have proven the number of excavated iron offices(90+) exceeds the number given from the Book of Han(49).

The main issue is that primary/secondary Chinese sources remain inaccessible to a Western audience with the piss poor Osprey's acting as a conduit.

>That means it's either accepted at face value or dismissed as fables/propaganda.
The only problem you run into are taking numbers at face value,later periods have the luxury of determining whether these numbers were inflated for a political smear. The Book of Ming's claimed that the Ming lost hundreds of thousands of men in the Imjin War vs what really transpired in the Summary of the restitution of Korea by the Military Commissioner.

"Qin had a million man army" was viewed as rhetorical devices though some people do take Sima Qian's words for granted. There is alot of indirect evidence that the Chinese mustered far more men than their contemporaries i.e. universal conscription,high population derived from censuses,ironworks monopoly,textual evidence of military inventories,remnants of extremely wide roads etc.

>>55145991
Moving on from the veracity of ancient Chinese sources,there just isn't a following as let's say Sengoku period Japanese.

There are very few miniature ranges that stay faithful to the source material such as John Jenkin's oop Qin Chinese,Khurasan's 15mm Chinese from various eras and some of Foundry's 28mm Imperial Chinese.

You are out of luck if you are seeking historically accurate miniatures for 28mm post-Tang to early Qing.

OT-65

>>55145991
>The main issue is that primary/secondary Chinese sources remain inaccessible to a Western audience with the piss poor Osprey's acting as a conduit.
And the fact that China is so large that information gained from even serious study
may only reflect only that particular area instead of China as a whole.

And sometimes historians seem to prefer records from other side as opposed to Chinese sources.

eg1. studies of Qing-Burmese war almost refer Burmese records exclusively (or dismissing Qing records)

eg2. Claimed Vietnamese victory over the Mongols (Mongol record mentions no such thing. More importantly, contemporary Chinese/Song Dynasty, which were hostile to the Mongol, ALSO didn't record such event, even though they had all the reasons to record and spread the news of Mongol defeat)

>>55125069
mommy

>>55148951
>Claimed Vietnamese victory over the Mongols
Specifically, first Mongol invasion, not the other two.

>>55148951
>And the fact that China is so large that information gained from even serious study
may only reflect only that particular area instead of China as a whole.
Maybe if your only sources of information are drawn from local gazetteers,the 24 histories are biased in the sense that they are compiled by court historians/private individuals after the fall of the dynasty.

This doesn't mean they are without merit or that the Chinese are unable to contextualize,criticize or compare their historical texts which other forms of evidence.

>And sometimes historians seem to prefer records from other side as opposed to Chinese sources.
If the historian favors a non-Chinese source for a specific time period then that's his own business.

There is nothing special about Chinese sources,they have their own interpretations and bias. The veracity of a single piece of Chinese literature should reflect on itself not Chinese history as a whole.

You can see this during the Imjin War where the Chinese/Koreans/Japanese exaggerate the numerical disparity of the foes as well as the number of enemy casualties.

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>>55148476
>OT-65
Also known as the D-FUG!

>>55148964
>>55138740
Doughnut Dollies must have been a very welcome sight out in the boonies
Given the popularity of Vietnam wargaming you'd think someone did a mini of one, but I can't find any

>>55149522
>You can see this during the Imjin War where the Chinese/Koreans/Japanese exaggerate the numerical disparity of the foes as well as the number of enemy casualties.

Yeah it's really not fucking helpful when *every god damn side involved* does it. It is however goddamn funny.

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>>55150799
>Yeah it's really not fucking helpful when *every god damn side involved* does it. It is however goddamn funny.
It's human nature,Ming generals exaggerated enemy casualties to avoid getting lambasted while they had trouble figuring out the total number of Japanese forces due to the incompetence of the Korean court.

The Japanese took Shen Weijing's bluffs seriously and the clan records wanted to show off their martial prowess i.e. 100,000 Ming cavalry in the Battle of Byeokjegwan when there was only 5,000.

>>55151635
That's a nice mini, is that historically accurate for Imjin War?

>>55135245
schwerpunkt scenarios. really rough scenarios. designed by a group of guys who are hyper aggressive in their game play. scenarios almost always require quick blitzkrieg tactics and keep moving on. no room for delays.

irritating as i tend to be a bit more cautious of a player.

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>>55151749
>That's a nice mini, is that historically accurate for Imjin War?
Yeah,it's a close enough proxy for border cavalry forces to the Imjin War,though this particular example is from the northwestern garrisons. The miniature is based on a victory parade scroll made around 1575(17 year gap).
http://bennosfiguresforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18191&start=140

Apart from brigandine,cotton,mail and lamellar was also used to some extent.

>>55151912
Got any pics of reasonably accurate infantry?

>>55149522
>If the historian favors a non-Chinese source for a specific time period then that's his own business.
It will be a problem if said historian's view become accepted by the majority + common folk, which, given that systematic studies on China history are few enough as it is, tend to paint an incredibly skewed picture and usually unfounded bad rep on the country's past.

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>>55146153
Speaking of Sengoku Japan while there are good miniatures and skirmish rulesets are there any good modern big battle rules?

I've bought quite a few and they fall into two groups. Generic rulesets which cover the whole world, everyone fights the same and the naginata is probably treated as a halberd. The second are more specific Sengoku rulesets like Killer Katana, Taiko and Battles in the Age of War. They do a better job of capturing trappings of Sengoku warfare but still don't do the Sonae, a mixed formation containing ranged infantry, melee infantry and cavalry, well or at all which really should be the building block unit for any ruleset trying to cover large battles.

I can understand that it is hard finding information on Sengoku tactics and formation while there is a lot of good information on weapons and armour. In the end it probably comes down to trusting Turnball vs random people on the internet who claim to have read Japanese books. Hopefully Nate from the Samurai Archives will succeed as a historian and write some good accessible books on the subject.

>>55152315
>Turnball
Is Stephen Turnbull.

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>>55138531
At 4PM UST, voting is going to be ending. If you haven't voted and want to participate, vote now!

>>55152011
>Got any pics of reasonably accurate infantry?
Depends on where the contingent originated,the Ming are fairly diverse on this end. Infantry from the border garrisons would look like their mounted counterparts save for the armguards and maybe a different helmet decor such as a horsehair tassel(probably dependent on the garrison).

The figure I've attached has armor based on the capital garrisons which contain ceremonial elements not found on regular troops.

Keeping this in mind,a battlefield version would often be left undyed(yellow),sleeveless,and replace the sash with a belt(or a cummerbund and a belt) while the multicolored bottom trim wouldn't be used.

Poorer soldiers would use puttees and shoes while some helmets lack aventails altogether or have armored aventails like the cavalry figure. Auxiliary equipment such as scarves,Song style "waist cushions" and circular/square cloth back patches would depend on personal taste/local regulations.

Here's hoping the upcoming 28mm range will do this period justice.
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=84196.0

>>55152310
>It will be a problem if said historian's view become accepted by the majority + common folk
This would depend on whether readers accept Western historians as the leading authority.

>given that systematic studies on China history are few enough as it is, tend to paint an incredibly skewed picture and usually unfounded bad rep on the country's past.
It could be an issue if your only exposure to Chinese primary sources are from Western critiques of faulty works such as the Book of Yuan(which is also criticized by Chinese scholars).

Personally,I don't have any difficulty reading modern Chinese publications that deal with historical texts so this is a non issue. I have more of an problem with historical anachronisms such as "ethnicity" or projecting a unified "Chinese" identity on past polities.

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>>55152443
Sorry. I forgot to attach the relevant image.

>>55152315
>Speaking of Sengoku Japan while there are good miniatures and skirmish rulesets are there any good modern big battle rules?
I haven't really studied the period well enough to comment on Sengoku armaments or tactics.

One thing I do know is that I have yet to see a ruleset treat Japanese "cavalry" as mounted infantry rather than shock cavalry.

Turnbull doesn't exactly have the best scholarly reputation but he's the next best thing for someone like me who can't read Japanese.

>>55152443
Good for you that read Chinese/Korean, for me the only source for...lets say Imjin war, are Hawley and Swope, and even I can see both are incredibly flawed.

>This would depend on whether readers accept Western historians as the leading authority.
My impression is that many non-Western studies tend to be treated as biased/propagandic/patriotic (especially if came out from China) and thus dismissed out of hand.

>>55152579
>Good for you that read Chinese/Korean, for me the only source for...lets say Imjin war
Unfortunately,you probably have to master all three languages if you want a true understanding of the conflict. Classical Chinese at least gets you past Ming/Joseon primary sources.

>lets say Imjin war, are Hawley and Swope, and even I can see both are incredibly flawed.
I haven't read Hawley's work in its entirety but like Turnbull he lacks the linguistic mastery to decipher the primary sources. Swope can read the primary source material but he seems to fudge basic facts.
https://ijkh.khistory.org/upload/pdf/18-2-03%20Nam-lin_Hur.pdf

>My impression is that many non-Western studies tend to be treated as biased/propagandic/patriotic (especially if came out from China) and thus dismissed out of hand.
From what I take of it, even if the scholarly work is overtly political you can still make your own conclusions based on hard data.

As for negative attitudes towards Chinese scholarship,I feel this is more based on repudiating its current leadership rather than tangible means.

Angola - Ragnar Brothers (1988)

http://www.mediafire.com/file/42651nz1202ab9a/Angola_-_Ragnar_Bros.pdf

A S L Scenarios II

on flaming media

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/file/hyyl1y065l3c9pd/ASL_Scenarios_-_CH_-_1-181.pdf

/file/554pbksui66bwg8/ASL_Scenarios_-_CH_-_Magazine_And_Scenarios.pdf

For trove (OP)

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>>55152863
Well that's a random but extremely welcome donation, thanks anon
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/4688/angola

Requesting PDF scans for SPI's Universe Gamesmaster's Screen, Company War and Psycho Raiders.

>>55152863
Interesting!

>>55152898
Thank-you, anon!

>>55152315
>are there any good modern big battle rules?

I was gonna say Banzai Age of the country at war 2nd edition but for some reason it has disappeared off of wargames vault. Closest thing I can find that might explain it is the dev is working on the 3rd edition but that was a while back. The reference sheets are still up at least. No idea if there's a copy in the folders. Either way that game as all about the mixed formations and battles.

For now, Impetus or Basic Impetus 2nd edition would be the go to, though plain old Impetus is due to have it's second edition at some point soon too...

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>>55152523
>One thing I do know is that I have yet to see a ruleset treat Japanese "cavalry" as mounted infantry rather than shock cavalry

See >>55153909 as Banzai~ actually does that.

>>55153909
I had a look at the reference sheet for Banzai. Since it listed individual weapon types unless there is a specific mixed formation I'm missing out on it's no quite what I'm looking for.

I would like the sonae to be my smallest unit. If the rules are breaking it down into weapon specific units then it's too small scale for me.

>>55154906
Ah so you want blob warfare. You'll probably need to go to the boardgame end of things then for that.

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Charlie's arsenal has grown as I finished another PT-76 tank, which will serve Ivan just as nicely.

>>55145991
>of excavated iron offices(90+) exceeds the number given from the Book of Han(49).
What are iron offices and what does it mean that there were more then the Book of Han mentioned?

It sounds interesting but my google-fu is weak.

>>55155227
Vietnam? Do you have infantry pics?

>>55155475
No, or at least not yet. I want to finish them entirely before taking pics. I've made extensive conversions with the old Esci plastics.

>>55152315
Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind putting (what I assume to be) sword infantry in front of a wall of spears? Doesn't that neglect their advantage a little bit?

>>55156125
I don't know what it means by standard unit but given sword only units are not really a thing, especially with the lack of shields going on, I don't think they're that.

Perhaps it's standard as in banner units? There's a specific flags unit between them so maybe it's the guards. Fucked if I can confirm anything though.

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>>55156125
>sword infantry

Come on, anon. They're standard bearers. The picture is that of a single formation/century/squad.
You get the nobles (samurai) standing in the back around the head honcho, the ashigaru troops they levied from their lands are then the soldiers in the front and the lucky ones get to manage the supplies in the back of the formation.

These formations then form an army like so.

>>55155227
That looks great anon, what scale?

>>55157237
1:72

Please Anon, do you have:
About Bonaparte (Caliver)
Scum of the Earth (Nordic Weasel)

>>55152398
Who/what are the golden mane masked folk in the red? Looks neat.

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Want to find some rules represent Air-ground coordination in WW2

every scale is good

just checked FoW rule, while it's aircraft often have infinite movement range due to the scale
it's not what I want tho

want to control the planes more detailed with some ground unit in the game

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>>55157534
Iroquois Ritualists in Corn Husk masks.

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>>55159089
>false face guardians
>husk face society
Neat.

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>>55159367
The natives are very neat, friend.

>>55159479
Any recommendations for decent historical reading on iroquois/huron conflict? I'm browsing the ospreys from op but I'm under the impression osprey isn't very reliable.

New Skirmish Sangin supplement was announced. Focusing on tier 0 super secret operators in operational operations. Written by our very own chargeblog guy.

>>55160255
I tried to push for it to be called Skirmish Sangin: Operators Operating Operationally but it got turned down :v

The writing is done, now waiting on the graphics side. Excited to see what everyone thinks of it once it is out

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>>55160475
Damn shame, looking forward to the release.

>>55160255
chargeblog guy is a fa/tg/uy? I never knew.

>>55162093
I'm just very quiet and enjoy lurking. Don't really want to be "that guy who just posts to link his blog". Always enjoy it when other people post up my stuff.

Meanwhile on the blog the train never stops

>>55159618
>Any recommendations for decent historical reading on iroquois/huron conflict? I'm browsing the ospreys from op but I'm under the impression osprey isn't very reliable.

Start your searches with the phrase "mourning wars" and avoid Osprey like an AIDS riddled whore.

>>55161396
What the hell did I just watch?

>>55159618
>I'm browsing the ospreys from op but I'm under the impression osprey isn't very reliable.
They're fine for painting your army mens but don't going basing your PhD on it or anything

>>55163287
Tactics

>>55163287

Faggotry.

>>55161396
>switch to your sidearm, it's faster than reloading.webm

>>55157565
Perhaps Lacquered Coffins? it's mostly aircraft but involves ground targets with AAA defense. Its all about the interaction of air and ground - with Stukas being just as important and Bf 109s.
Its an air combat game though, so the ground forces don't actually move or do anything beside getting bombed and attacking air targets with AAA.

The problem with air + ground forces both being on the same table is you have some movement scale issues. Games tend to focus on either controlling land or air, with the non-focused element more abstracted or simplified.

>>55163287
The last thing a terrorist ever sees.

>>55152951
Random yes, but I found it going through my ASL stuff, so I set it free.

Any other hex & counter lovers out there?

>>55152523
The shield looks very Korean to me, and the scabbard looks like Qing period design, not Ming.

And I am not sure on the veracity on the spear+ shield loadout.

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>>55165466
>The shield looks very Korean to me
I agree,Lirui probably based it on extant examples from a Korean musuem. The Ming inherited Song cavalry shields and rattan shields could be painted over as well.

> and the scabbard looks like Qing period design, not Ming.
I haven't really seen many extant Ming scabbards so I'll defer to you on this one. The image attached is from an early Ming waist worn saber.

>And I am not sure on the veracity on the spear+ shield loadout.
Definitely ahistorical,though some polearms were paired with an Ai Pai. I used his example mainly to show how a kettle helmet was paired with body armor.
http://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com/2015/04/ai-pai.html

>want to start a new Bolt Action project
>interested in upcoming New Guinea book but don't want to build two forces from scratch
>read the Osprey Combat on Greece/Crete and become obsessed on this instead

Three questions /hwg/:
1. Can I use my Early War Brits as New Zealanders
2. Who does 28mm Greeks
3. Can I use regular German troops as dismounted Kradschutzen

>>55167692
>Can I use my Early War Brits as New Zealanders
yes. If NZers, find shorts so use North Africa brits

>Who does 28mm Greeks
https://www.templarwargames.co.uk/page/28mm-figures-28mm-ww2-greeks-burns-miniatures-

>Can I use regular German troops as dismounted Kradschutzen
Yeah that should be fine.

Especially with BA, no one is going to worry too much about exact miniatures representing exact real life units. as long as they have the right equipment you should be fine.

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>>55167692
>1
Yes, totally
You could swap some of their heads with lemonsqueezer hats to Kiwify them a little, Perry do a whole variety of British & Dominion headgear in their 8th Army range (Aussie bush hats, Sikh turbans, Scots Tam'o'Shanter etc)
Although to be honest most guys had dumped it by 1941, especially when facing shrapnel and air attack, but it would make them a little more distinctive
Some guys wore their fore-and-aft caps (what my American friends call a garrison cap) and shorts too, so maybe mix in some desert guys
>2
These guys look nice:
http://www.rifrafminiatures.co.uk/page8.htm
>3
Again you're fine, although your motorbike dudes would have gold waffenfarbe as opposed to infantry white, but whether that's an issue is up to you, and anyone who gets whiny over it should get a slap

>>55164989
Don't get me wrong anon I'm extremely grateful for it
Had a good read last night and I'll give it a solitaire try soon, although I think I'll make my own counters because the default ones are a little plain
There are lots of h&c lovers in /hwg/ but they're shy types and don't talk much
For my part I love the original Squad Leader, SPI's ACW stuff and anything GDW

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>>55164989
yeah there are a few of us. but since most of the discussion here is focused on minis.....we dont have a lot to say often....

>>55152523
What's wrong with treating Samurai cavalry as shock cavalry?

>>55168183
They weren't used as shock cavalry until about the mid 16th century, and I'm not certain that they were used as shock cavalry outside of the Takeda forces.

I don't know why that anon thinks they should be mounted infantry though, considering they fought as horse archers.

>>55168255
Horse archers is a Gempei War thing, isn't it?

>>55168277
You mean after Gempei War samurai no longer do horse archer stuff anymore?

>>55168183
>What's wrong with treating Samurai cavalry as shock cavalry?
They weren't treated as such,Japanese horses were scarce,ill tempered and diminutive.

Japanese cavalry fulfilled the roles of transportation,reconnaissance and mobile command posts not shock/flanking maneuvers.

Even the Takeda's reputation for horse mastery has been highly exaggerated.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5g3e55/how_was_cavalry_used_in_japan_during_the_sengoku/

>>55168462
Not nearly as often; they kinda transitioned towards being mainly elite infantry troops rather than being mounted very much. Horse archery was still TAUGHT as a traditional practice, but it wasn't used so much on the battlefield in the Sengoku era.

Impetus I know has samurai heavy cavalry, but it also gives the option for samurai foot troops as heavy infantry.

>>55169332
To be fair, Impetus Late Samurai heavy cavalry is mainly used as a command unit. You don't even have to take them in your army (0-5 units) whereas the samurai foot infantry MUST be in your army (2-8 units).

>>55155108
I guess I might have to. I'm not looking to run big campaigns like some boardgames but the Japanese are running mixed formations in units as low as 300 men. If you look the the numbers involved in many of the more interesting battles it's easy to see how I came to the conclusion that if you starting breaking down mixed formations into weapon specific units of 50-100 men there will just be too many things to deal with.

>>55156125
As mentioned they're standard bearers of the big kind not the smaller sashimono on soldiers backs. The Japanese loved their standards. I've seen number of as high as 10% carrying standard.

I believe that the formation in that image is in march and the standard bearers will fall back when combat is reach. The gun and archer troops will move forwards and engage the enemy. Spear/Pike armed ashigaru and samurai will form a line behind them usually 1-2 men deep. Next is the cavalry who use their mobility to attack weak spots that develop or chase down routing enemies. They'll either engage (not a shock charge) mounted or dismount just before combat. The formation is supposed to be flexible so commanders could change it up as needed.

>>55167769

I wasn't put off, just explaining. I'm trying to share everything I can (like the ASL stuff) over time to try to "preserve" the hex & counter games. Much thanks to the keeper of the troves for curating what is shared.

Unfortunately, some refuse to share, some steal the shares to sell on eBay or their own website and some games seem lost forever.

I'd love to see scans of all the Command and Wargamer Vol 1 magazines as well as the output of international Team, Yaquinto, GDW, GMT, the Gamers et al.

I have a question /hwg/! please answer me!
I was looking at some ww2 german miniatures, and i have seen the plastic afrika korps from perry.

If i buy those and paint them field gray, can i use them as grenadiers or early war infantry? I like their poses much more, and are also cheaper (and i can use the spare Stahlhelm on other miniatures, and they came with mortar etch)

Im know very little on the argument, but looking at those sculpts the only equipment that looks different are the boots.
please tell me /hwg/ ;_;

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>>55171177
I think you could get away with it
Some guys in the summer in Russia looked practically like DAK soldiers anyway
There's an excess of goggles but again you could just say they're in a dusty summer climate
If there are any solar topees and guys in shorts they probably won't fit though, unless you're going for Balkans/Italy-based troops

>>55124939
>>55125000
>>55125020
>>55125048

Dude, this stuff is wonderful. I'm not sure if it fits better in this thread or the Naval Wargames thread through. (I guess both since it's a bit obscure compared to what is normally talked about.)

>>55135256
>Lake Poyang was at times as large as 6000 square kilometer (although now it is only half as large as it used to be), almost as large as a small sea.

Wow.

I went googling for stuff on the lake and found out some interesting stuff. Apparently the lake's height in the wet season has been dropping since the 1950's and now they are considering building a sluice gate to help stop that. However there are concerns about what that will fix and what it won't fix when it comes to drinking water, environmental, and habitat concerns related to the lake.

Sometime's I forget how much stuff is going on in China right now, how much history is being made. A lot of things that will have long term effects.

>>55171262
THANKS!
No soldier with shorts is on the sprue, and with all the caps / Stahlhelm there are maybe i can also field those all without goggles! (maybe ill leave a pair because they look cool)

Thanks alot!

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>>55171332
>I guess both since it's a bit obscure compared to what is normally talked about
I always try and find something that's unusual in subject matter and different from the previous edition
I admit I hardly ever do Asian or naval stuff so this seemed a good one
I do like naval stuff but Asian warfare of all kinds is definitely not my forte, this thread has been informative

>I went googling for stuff on the lake and found out some interesting stuff.
When I was looking around for pictures of the battle I found a lot of how the lake's dried up
Nowhere near as bad as the Aral Sea, but disturbing nonetheless
I admit it's kind of inspiring imagery for a fantasy/dystopia game of some kind, though

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>>55152398
Right then! Looks like Garrison/Second Line/Militia it is!

>>55172052
What would you lads say fits this for WW2 stuff?

Trying to figure out if anything in my unpainted backlog fits.

>>55172198
Dad's Army, Volkssturm, maybe Soviet Seamen, French Maquis...

Possibly anything Italian as well.

>>55172198
It really depends on the nation, German or Britain is probably the easiest to do, Dads army or Volkssturm

>>55172198
My immediate thought is german Volksturm
Or just general "second-line" troops (say, those guarding the Atlantik Wall in early '44). Partisan hunters, with old french tanks.
Local Defence Volunteers/home guard

>>55172052
Time to paint some Rorarii!

>>55172292
Nice. You the guy with the 6mm (or 3mm, can't remember) Romans that posted up an army along with some really neat little bits of modular terrain a while back?

>>55172052
Where do commission painted figures come into this, I'm finishing a commission of some 10mm AWI Minutemen/Militia at the moment for a customer but they won't be based, or mine at all, and I'll be doing them no matter what. Probably a no right?

>>55172292
Nope, I just have some boxes from Agema Miniatures.

>>55172052
Hmm, would the Soviet T-26 count.
It was essentially second-line and mostly stationed in the East after 1941.

>>55140533
Pretty great, playable just by buying a box of Flames of War guys for each side and basing them on coin sized bases.

It reminds me alot of what I wanted out of ASL only infinitely cheaper to get into.

>>55172430
I would think it would be fine.

>>55172348
Inclined to say yes, because while the intent is getting people to paint stuff they have and have been putting off, people also buy stuff they've been putting purchasing and then paint. Really it's up to you, and if everybody thinks it's an awful terrible thing, we'll just throw lettuce at you and call you awful names.

>>55155227
that's pretty rad

>>55172052
Ive been looking for an excuse to pick up bamboo spearmen for my bolt action army, would they be appropriate?

>>55174216
Garrison implies defenders, and the whole thing implies not being the best equipped. I would say you'd be good, but others are welcome to chime in.

>>55174216
I would say bamboo is a "second Stringer"

>>55174216
It's perfect.
For myself I shall hopefully do a unit of 20 halberdiers

>>55174818
>20 guys

H-how many do you have to paint for the challenge?

>>55175412
1

A S L scenarios

on flaming media

/file/52day67655rdq09/ASL%20Scenarios%20-%20MMP%20-%20Core%20Modules%201-144.pdf

/file/9d1aveh9v5tdldt/ASL%20Scenarios%20-%20MMP%20-%20Journal%20Scenarios%20-%20J001-112.pdf

/file/7z34ja82sj6f0nd/ASL%20Rulebook%20v2.pdf

For the Trove (OP)

>>55172052
Sounds shitty.

>>55175949
Topics that didn't get voted in will go back in the poll for next challenge, so if you're not happy, hang in there and maybe next time you'll have the one you want.

>>55175412
Technically the challenge is gonna start on September 16th, and run for a month, just to give folks a chance to get their hands on stuff they want to do if they don't already have something. However, none of us are gonna show up at your house and beat you about the head if you want to start now. So that's like a month and a half. Still, if you got lots of shit going on otherwise, then all ya gotta do to participate is one.

>>55171357
Just finished painting up a box (as DAK). I can confirm that there are enough goggle-less stahlhelms and field caps for the box.
The Leutnant's field hat has goggles on it though.

>>55171332
>Sometime's I forget how much stuff is going on in China right now, how much history is being made. A lot of things that will have long term effects.

I always find it amazing how even to this day, and trough pure coincidence, China has managed to retain that "far east" feel to it, unlike Japan that you'd be forgiven for thinking is an hour drive away from California.

>>55179746
>"far east" feel
A back of beyond skag heap? Yeah.

>>55180702
I'm sorry but idk what you were trying to say there.

>>55180702
What did he mean by this?

>>55180998
Not now.

we've both got the turbo-cancer, eh?

Decided to finish my box of dark ages warriors for the competition. My last group of 18 were painted green, red and white. I'll probably make these guys brown, blue and yellow.

I've also decided to get some footsore command figures for my late Roman army because I won big on my bets recently (up 500).

How many people will be taking part, does anyone know?

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Does anyone have a pdf of Mad Dogs with Guns by Osprey?

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>>55172198
>What would you lads say fits this for WW2 stuff?
You could make up a squad from some unusual government or police/auxiliary force, such as the German Railway Police or the Vichy Milice

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>>55172052
Illyrian Peltasts it is.

>>55180780
>>55180998
>back of beyond
A lonely forsaken place
>skag
somethingsomethingdisgustingwomen

>>55183515
Relic Miniatures?

>>55183783
Warlord - https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/greeks/products/greeks-illyrian-infantry

>>55132242
Nice.

Got my first resin kit from Empress miniatures today; the GAZ Tigr. Their resin seems really weird, is it mixed with a metallic compound or something? It's a lot more solid than other resins I've dealt with, and when sanded it has this metallic sheen to it. It's quite nice.

>>55183515
How did you make the bases?

>>55185592
not him but they look like coins covered in filler.

>>55185599
What sort of filler is recommended?

>>55185990
polyfilla

>>55187092
>there are women who are willing to procreate with people who are as grognard as me
There's still hope lads.

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>>55187204
>>55187092
Children are a standard unit of measurement for h&c games
For example Europa is a seven-kid long monster while Campaign for North Africa is three
Anything under one kid is purely casual-tier

>>55187204
I mean that could just be the guy's niece or something.

I don't know why people are acting so shocked, outside of this Chilean Basket Weaving forum people with wives/kids make up the majority of the hwg community.

>>55187092
>>55187204
I'm mad jelly of the amount of floorspace that guy has to even be able to lay that out.

>>55187382
Long standing tradition and stereotypes.
I'd bet if polled a surprising amount of us would turn out to be in long term relationships of some form.

>>55187971
>I'd bet if polled a surprising amount of us would turn out to be in long term relationships of some form.
Well, I have a somewhat decent net connection that I start to consider being in a relationship with, if that counts.

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>>55187971
>I'd bet if polled a surprising amount of us would turn out to be in long term relationships of some form.

out of all the old school grogs I know.....only 1 of them doesnt have a wife. hell one of the guys is teaching his grandson to play ASL

>>55187971
>I'd bet if polled a surprising amount of us would turn out to be in long term relationships of some form.
Does it count if neither of us is likely to acknowledge it for months even though we only "see" each other because it would be too awkward to admit that we are together to ourselves and our families?

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>>55189400
Yes. I will also accept 'friends with benefits' type setups as counting for this purpose.

>>55186013
yarp

>>55187092
>>55187273
Gotta pop out some kids so that you can have an apprentice to sustain the grognard supply through the generations.

Is check your 6! (WW2 version) rulebook and its supplements anywhere? I've seen 2 mega links (2014 and 2015) but both are down

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Bump

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>>55193236
https://mega.nz/#!vwMngZbR!91OrqgI5u2imvHC6h-8IgHkHyHmXZ997crB9O6tXhqw

>>55196530
>Topside Minis tokens as objective markers

Nice taste, anon.

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>>55197030
Not me sadly anon! But definitely good taste indeed

Betty Childs: Are all nerds as good as you?

Lewis: Yes.

Betty Childs: How come?

Lewis: 'Cause all jocks ever think about is sports, all we ever think about is sex.

>>55197348
That makes zero sense.

>>55198129
It was a movie called Revenge of the Nerds, it was just fanfiction to soothe some peoples hang ups over high school.

FUCK BERNADOTTE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT IN 1804!

>>55200201

lol wut? u mad that one of his descendants just got another son?

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101 years ago the first German zeppelin was shot down on English soil.

On the night of 2/3 September 1916 over Cuffley, Hertfordshire, Lieutenant Leefe Robinson, flying a converted B.E.2c night fighter, sighted a German airship – one of 16 which had left bases in Germany for the largest airship raid of the war over England. The airship he encountered was the wooden-framed Schütte-Lanz SL 11, although at the time and for many years after, it was misidentified as the Zeppelin L 21. Robinson was in the air for several hours. After initially spotting the airship, he lost it in clouds. Later, he again made contact and attacked at an altitude of 11,500 ft (3,500 m), approaching from below and closing to within 500 ft (150 m) raking the airship from below with machine-gun fire of incendiary bullets. However, these two runs were unsuccessful. He then tried his third and last ammunition drum, and the airship burst into flames and crashed in a field behind the Plough Inn at Cuffley. Commander Hauptmann Wilhelm Schramm and his 15-man crew were killed.

This action was witnessed by thousands of Londoners who, as they saw the airship descend in flames, cheered and sang the national anthem; one even played the bagpipes. The propaganda value of this success was enormous to the British Government, as it indicated that the German airship threat could be countered.

Robinson landed his damaged biplane at 2.45 a.m. to tremendous acclaim from the squadron, and immediately wrote his combat report. He woke up to find that he had become a national celebrity overnight. He was splashed across all the major newspapers, and young actresses from the West End jostled to get an introduction to him. Tens of thousands of people made their way to see the remains of the airship at Cuffley.

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>>55200818
However, the combat technique of using concentrated upward fire and mixed incendiary bullets had been proven by Leefe Robinson, and more successes quickly followed.

After continual pestering of the authorities to allow him to return to active service, in April 1917 Robinson was posted to France as a flight commander with No. 48 Squadron, flying the then new Bristol F.2 Fighter. On the first patrol over the lines, on 5 April Robinson's formation of six aircraft encountered the Albatros D.III fighters of Jasta 11, led by Manfred von Richthofen. Four were shot down. Robinson, flying Bristol F2A A3337, was shot down by Vizefeldwebel Sebastian Festner, and was wounded and captured.

He was posted as dead until two months later a letter arrived from him in a POW camp. During his imprisonment, he made several attempts to escape and was moved around to several camps, including Zorndorf and Holzminden. He was kept in solitary confinement at the latter camp for his escape attempts. It is thought his health was badly affected during his time as a prisoner. Robinson was repatriated in early December 1918, and was able to spend Christmas with his friends and family. However, this freedom was short-lived. He contracted the Spanish flu and died on 31 December 1918 at the Stanmore home of his sister, Baroness Heyking.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/1m7mg03hz6x210z/S%26T+159+-+Zeppelin.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/7jk1gj4gsz68y0e/Osprey+-+CAM+193+-+The+Zeppelin+Menace+1914-17.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/jffkfharjf4a3a8/Osprey+-+VAN+101+-+German+Airships+1900-40.pdf

>>55200714
I was reading a book about the marshalls. And Bernadotte is such a fucking piece of shit.

>>55200855

fair enough. At the swedish court, he was a lazy fellow. Wouldn't get out of bed and have his ministers gather around his bed.

>>55172318
No, thats probably me. Finishing 3 months of exam hell next friday.

First I have to Take a Look, what goth unit in the hail caesar roster would fit the description. Any ideas?

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>>55201342
>what goth unit in the hail caesar roster would fit the description. Any ideas?
The skirmishers would probably be closest, I guess? They were definitely second-tier guys

>>55203164

Victrix models?

>>55200878
Eh, would you want to leave bed when living in Sweden? His wife became even more depressed and hated the land. But Swedish historians do seem to think fondly of Bernadotte which is rather telling of our previous monarchs.

Any good 6mm wargame for US vs terrorists in the middle east? Preferably something that includes everything from infantry through armor to planes.

So Field of Glory ancients is getting a new edition at the end of September. Curious what sort of changes it's getting.

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>>55206078
I'm not sure if 6mm is the right scale for what you're trying to do, given the comparatively small scale fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The usual go to 6mm modern ruleset is Fistful of TOWs, but if you explain what you're looking for in greater detail you might get a better answer.

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>>55200201
Hit me up when you want to get enlightened

>>55209779
>No Ney or Massená or Berthier
Shitty list

Also Bernadotte fucked up at Jena, at Wagram and at a hundred other places. Fuck the guy.

LAV-75

Does talking about imagi-nations for pseudo-historical wargaming belong here or /awg/?

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>>55212473
It depends how pseudo we're getting here.

Discussion of imaginary nations that use plausible equipment or "what if" scenarios, such as the second world war extending past 1945 are definitely within the realm of /hwg/.

WW1 with mechs and WW2 with Nazi werewolves of the SS is definitely within the realm of /awg/, you'll be informed fairly swiftly if you're straying anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Qhbdijv5Y&feature=youtu.be&t=38&ab_channel=NavidaShentil

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Has anyone tried Comitatus? Is it any good?

>>55213116
I really am so glad SAGA decided to expand in to late antiquity/early dark ages. Ever since it feels like the period has received much more attention which pleases me greatly because its my favourite period.

Who makes the best looking WWII infantry? I'm looking for something between 15mm to 28mm for Squad to Platoon battles.

>>55215534
AB figures

Another random hex & counter game (in Spanish)

Nike and Cooper Española, S.A. - La Legion

http://www.mediafire.com/?3v6r26mvjj0pb7p

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>>55216034
Well thanks nonetheless anon, that's definitely worth it for the novelty value alone
http://wargames.webcindario.com/
I've always been intrigued by the Grooms of Death aka the Spanish Foreign Legion
They're hardcore

>>55206078
Maybe Cold War Commander? Despite the name it actually has a reasonable insurgents simulating capability. We had some great Israel vs Hezbollah games.

>>55206078
I use FFOT for my 3mm "modern syria"

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>>55210078
yeah, that seems a fair assessment and not at all just sheer anger rearing its ugly head

>>55217108
Name one thing Bernadotte did well when he was a marshal, one thing that makes him deserve some praise.

>>55217108
>not including Charles XI

Disgusting list.

Alright fellas. The other day I went down to my flgs for a couple new player-character models. I went over scoping out some Saga kit, because vikings always gave me a boner. One of you guys zeroed in on me like a fighter pilot and came right over, greeted me and said 'Great, we need more Saga players!'. You looked so enthusiastic. I had to cut you off and tell you I wasn't starting an army, I was just stealing a hero character for an RPG. You seemed so fucking disappointed, even though you stayed and halfheartedly helped me out on viking-themed models.
I'll probably never see you again, bearded mid-40s dude. I've been looking into it since then. I think Saga does look really cool. If I ever had time or money to get back into a wargame, maybe Saga would be it. You were cool, dude. Cheers /hwg/.

>>55219092
Do note, SAGA requires less investment both in money, since historical figures are generally cheaper, and time, since you don't need THAT many figures) than most "more common" wargames. So you might have the resources needed sooner than you think.

>>55215534
Esci 1/72

>>55219124
>>55219092

It's true. 40GBP will buy you a box of plastic Dark Ages guys and a box of Viking Hirdmen or Saxon Thegns. More dudes than you'll really ever need.

Or you can get a plastic starter for the price of one box.

>>55219353
There's also a couple of guys on ebay who sell the individual sprues so you can really cherry pick what you want for cheap.

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Any recommendations of books on the Italian Wars? Seems like an interesting period what with all the colourful armies and intrigue involved.

>>55152443
Having spent plenty of time in the Chinese history field, I got more accurate and honest sources when working from Korean scholarly institutions than from the Chinese themselves.

The problem is that Chinese history and recordkeeping is a proud tradition of making shit up to justify the current regime, going back over a thousand years. And the current government loves to promote such issues as ethnicity and unified "Chinese" identity to justify their own regime.

>>55187204
Jokes on you mate, I don't even want kids.

>>55223584
>not wanting kids
get a load of this guy

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>>55223584
That's a joke on me?

>>55209263
>>55216518
>>55216534
Honestly, I love papercraft stuff and I have a big folder of 1:250 military models which are roughly 6mm and I'm also a sucker for modern desert warfare. I want a justification to have bunch of tiny paper armor and soldiers around so I am not picky about what system to use as long as there a big variety of stuff to use in battle. Thank you for the suggestions, I'm gonna check them out!

>>55218143
if there was another tier between Gustav and Bernadotte I'd place him there.
>>55217865
He realised he fucked up at Auerstädt and tried to remedy it asap. Look how it went.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Halle

I'm looking for an air combat game at the operational or strategic level, any recommendations? Preferably something less complex than some of the old avalon hill wargames (while I appreciate the level of detail those sort of games are willing to go to, I have a hard enough time getting my wargaming friends into historicals and having to work through 4+ pages of charts and tables doesn't make that any easier).

>>55225248
can't give a recommendation, but warlord games just released their aerial combat game.
Called bloody skies or something I think. Probably a sleeker modern ruleset, so may be worth a look for you.

>>55225688
From the looks of it the game seems to be for playing out dogfights between fighter squadrons, which isn't really the scale I'm looking for.

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played a game of chain of command tonight.
26th Volksgrenadier Division attempts another attack on the 101st Airborne only to got shredded to pieces.

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>>55226166

>>55219092
>One of you guys
[Citation needed]

>>55226147
>>55226174
Those are some good looking minis, I love how absolutely miserable that board looks as well.

>>55225248
>I'm looking for an air combat game at the operational or strategic level

You're not the only one.
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any published ones avalable, so I had to go ahead and write a homebrew.

>>55225248
Perhaps Downtown or The Speed of Heat?
or Air Superiority?

Unfortunately the games that do strategic level tend to be quite complicated hex and chit wargames...

>>55223482
It's not like Koreans are any better...or anyone else for that matter.

Actually, when we modern people hear that historical records "making shit up", we tend to assume that they exaggerate their achievements/victories to unbelievable proportion. But due to the amount of political backstabbing in China and their tendency to look down on military men, they probably "making shit up" to exaggerate the failure/downplay the achievement of their political enemies just as much as (if not even more) than they bullshitting the success.

>>55229473
Would you be able to share it?

>>55230682
It doesn't look like any of those are in the mediafire folders.

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>>55231089
Well, sure - but keep in mind it's not finished, and it's mostly meant to generate scenarios for tactical rulesets.

>>55223482
>Having spent plenty of time in the Chinese history field, I got more accurate and honest sources when working from Korean scholarly institutions than from the Chinese themselves.
Anecdotal experience doesn't prove or disprove the veracity of Chinese sources.

>The problem is that Chinese history and recordkeeping is a proud tradition of making shit up to justify the current regime, going back over a thousand years.
They don't just "make shit up",there is nothing comparable to the early chapters of the Nihon Shoki which are outright fabrications. Instead you have political bias,omissions,and numerical values can be adjusted to aggrandize/demonize a current or past regime.

Practical works dealing with logistical,military or encyclopedic are free of of the meddling of court bureaucrats.

> And the current government loves to promote such issues as ethnicity and unified "Chinese" identity to justify their own regime.
The current government is inclusive in regards to ethnic minorities,the issue I have is trying to seek out a root of a modern day ethnicity in the neolithic e.g. Liangzhu = Yue = Zhuang.

There was a shared elite culture permeating beyond the borders of modern day China(akin to Christendom) though this was devoid of ethnicity or linguistics but an orthodox succession of what the ancients practiced.

A cursory glance at the primary sources show that only the northern Chinese heartland was considered quintessential while Sinitic speakers from other regions were "barbarian".

>>55231170
>A cursory glance at the primary sources show that only the northern Chinese heartland was considered quintessential while Sinitic speakers from other regions were "barbarian".
To elaborate,how the modern Chinese treat their early history would be as if Etruscans,Thracians,Samnites,Greeks,Roman etc. were all considered Italian.

Are there any good books or papers on what Operation Unthinkable would have looked like, or if Patton had been given the go ahead to seize Berlin rather than leave it to the Soviets?

I know World in Flames has an expansion based on the idea, but is there anything else out there?

>>55231241
I heard that Chinese scholarly circles use a more geopolitical-cultural perspective on history rather than race/ethnicity/language group-perspective.

That is, everyone that resided on that piece of land, adopted/influenced by certain Chinese cultural traits, and was subject to the dominant government/polity of the time, is to be considered part of "Chinese" history.

Thus Yuan and Qing Dynasty are considered part of the Chinese history even though they were foreign rulers, and the territories of Yuan/Qing are considered part of China nation (or have "rightful claim" to it or whatever), and then there's the Gorguyeo controversies.

closest Western analogue that I can think of is the Norman conquest of England - also considered part of English history.

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>>55232326
>That is, everyone that resided on that piece of land, adopted/influenced by certain Chinese cultural traits, and was subject to the dominant government/polity of the time, is to be considered part of "Chinese" history.
This is based on the Gongyang commentary where anyone who adopted Chinese high culture(Hua) became Chinese and vice versa.

Xiongnu,Xianbei and Khitans were perfectly fine with tracing their ancestry to the Chinese sage kings but they still viewed themselves differently from their Sinitic speaking subjects.

>Thus Yuan and Qing Dynasty are considered part of the Chinese history even though they were foreign rulers,
This is what I have a problem with,the "Han" vs non-Han dichotomy. Many of the so called "Han" dynasties originated from peripheral territories that were not considered fully Chinese. On the map I've provided,11/12/14 were gradually Sinicized during the Western Zhou while 16/17 were inhabited by non-Sinitic speakers.

To the ancient Chinese there was a geopolitical component to legitimacy where the ruling regime controlled the Central Plains.

>Gorguyeo controversies.
This is more of an issue that the PRC considers Goguryeo to have originated within the modern boundaries of China,early Goguryeo being a Han vassal state and some of the modern descendants of Gorguryeo are Chinese ethnic minorities.

An analogous comparison is the polity of Gojoseon gradually moved eastwards from northern Hebei/Liaoxi into the Korean peninsula yet modern Koreans try to claim it as their own.

>closest Western analogue that I can think of is the Norman conquest of England - also considered part of English history.
I think projecting a Chinese national history is already anachronistic(especially pre-Qin),as dynasties were defined by their rulers not their subjects.

The orthodox succession of dynasties made territorial claims continuous and the descendants of former dynasties were enfeoffed to worship their ancestors.

>>55232902
>I think projecting a Chinese national history is already anachronistic(especially pre-Qin),as dynasties were defined by their rulers not their subjects.
This is the part where it starts to get tricky. Yuan and Qing are not considered “Chinese Dynasty” even in China, but they are still part of “Chinese history”. The two are apparently distinct to each other...or so I am told.

And then there's the controversial view on Wokou intrusion during Ming period, with some insisted that it is a foreign invasion of sort while others considered it a peasant revolt-thing, with the Japanese only acting as sword-for-hire.

>>55233323
> Yuan and Qing are not considered “Chinese Dynasty” even in China
They were considered Chinese when they ruled,the Yuan less so. Even though Zhu Yuanzhang overthrew the Mongols based on their perceived foreignness the Yuan was still included in the orthodox succession of dynasties who held the mandate of heaven.

Qing on the other hand was much more Sinicized and was viewed itself as Chinese as well foreign polities(unlike the British conquest of India).

>And then there's the controversial view on Wokou intrusion during Ming period, with some insisted that it is a foreign invasion of sort while others considered it a peasant revolt-thing, with the Japanese only acting as sword-for-hire.
The Wokou was a catch all term for Chinese smugglers/pirates and their Japanese allies who often warred with themselves.

While the Jiajing Wokou were predominately of native stock they had a significant Japanese contingent and enjoyed discreet support amongst the Kyushu daimyos.
http://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com/2016/06/enemy-of-ming-wokou-p1.html

>>55233539
>as well foreign polities
Sorry. Presented itself as representative of the Chinese state when corresponding to foreign polities.

The Manchu rulers viewed their empire as the continuation of the Ming not as foreign usurpers. see post 127
http://historum.com/asian-history/23977-were-yuan-qing-dynasties-chinese-13.html#post1013115

>>55233539
After reading that article, and if my grasp on this wokou business is correct, then the wokou was something like this?

> Lots of Chinese rabbles
> rabbles work for/with Japanese/foreign pirates
> pirates working under sponsorship of rich Chinese smuggler-ring bosses
> Chinese smugglers working with the endorsement/support of Japanese Damiyos


>>55233578
>The Manchu rulers viewed their empire as the continuation of the Ming not as foreign usurpers. see post 127
That's an interesting read/perspective. Thanks for the link!.

>>55222119
bumping question

>>55175740
is there anything here that isn't already on the ASL mediafire archive?

>>55236550

I have more scenario packs and maps to add.

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A few Snakes and Slicks started and (mostly) finished today. 1/600 minis from Tumbling dice.
These aren't actually for the snakes and slicks game though, I'll be using them for Missile Threat, which includes helicopters as part of the air environment.

Speaking of Missile threat, current progress:

Vietnam (3 periods early, mid and late) - done
Arab-Israeli Wars (six-day war, yom kippur, 1982 Lebanon) - done
Indo-Pakistani wars (1965, 1971) - done
Iran-Iraq War - now being researched

I'm making progress, but still quite a bit to go.

And yes I will paint mouths and teeth on these AH-1 Cobras (which are in the background)

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How's Team Yankee? Will they satisfy my World in conflict urge?

>>55239122
Do you like huge parking lots of Soviet tanks that render movement either impossible or irrelevant and rob the game of all tactical finesse? Then you'll love it!

>>55239122
Wait for Battlegroup NORTHAG IMO. TY is OK, but the silly spam armies are going from worse to outright ridiculous.

>>55237914
I have a couple questions
First, are the points costs you are using era specific or are they usable for hypothetical play with any combination of planes from multiple eras?
Second, is the Falklands on the planned list of wars, or do you figure Harpoon has it covered well enough?
Finally, are there going to be rules for pilot improvement?
I'm looking for a new system for a planes&mercs style game in a few months, and Missile Threat caught my interest

>>55239122
What other anons said, plus you could check Force on Force with the Cold War Gone Hot expansion.

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>>55239122
I'm afraid you're going to need a hefty fistful of TOWs to deal with that particular urge.

>>55239122
If you play TY in 3 to 6mm alot of the really bad parts of the game slip away. Unfortunately, it's also nice to have players and right now Flames and Team Yankee in the default 15mm are uber popular and the only historical games in my area personally besides Bolt Action.

I play a lot of unpopular stuff like Battlegroup and the Lard Island games solo because it's easy to make new armies on a budget. But most of my money goes toward fielding Battlefront Armies.

Check your local club scene or see about organizing your own if you want something different. But Battlefront games aren't as bad as people say.

>>55236994
that's awesome dude

any chance at getting the scenarios from Special Ops magazine?

>>55241817
How's bolt action anyway? Local store owner loves it and I can't help but admit his enthusiasm is contagious

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>>55242247
It's a fun game it's pretty much 5th ed 40k in a ww2 skin, not heavy in rules, units are a bit samey but it's fun.
the game i play the most

>>55242247
Kinda cartoony, I think it's fun though.

The problem is historical lists will get outdone by shit autists threw together. Ultimately making it less fun as a historical wargame but it's a great gateway drug to get 40k fag disillusioned by GW into historicals.

>>55242336
>>55242390

Am I going to be "that guy" if I play USMC against a European theater army?

>>55242671
no

>>55152398
Can anyone tell me where to get these? Civilians and natives both looking amazing.

>>55242671
Everyone just kinda plays whatever. I play alot of West versus Soviets with WWII models in alot of games because of my Patton boner.

>>55235337
Sauce on these?
What scale and manufacturer are those?

>>55152398
>>55242815
>The 6 European Colonists are from the Perry AWI range, whilst the 6 Natives are from the Conquest Miniatures range carried by Warlord.
http://xccamminiatures.blogspot.de/2016/10/north-american-civilians.html

>>55243455
>http://xccamminiatures.blogspot.de/2016/10/north-american-civilians.html
You are not a true grog, unless you have a /hwg/ themed blog. Bookmarked

>>55244160

So bookmarked or do we have to make our own blog, because part of me thinks that would be a good time, but the other part of me thinks I have nothing interesting to put up.

Also what are the best blogs? I really dig Tiny Tanks but it no longer updates.

>>55244160
does a video channel count?

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>>55242939
http://smallscaleoperations.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/cukoos-afghanistan-gaming-table-for.html

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>>55239362
>are the points costs you are using era specific
The points will work for hypotheticals - all the points for all the periods adhere to the same system, so a MiG-21 from early Vietnam will be very cheap compared to an F-15 from the 80s (14 points for the earliest MiG-21, 35 points for the F-15, not including the 4 points cost for a max load out of 8 missiles (4 AIM-9L, 4 AIM-7F))

>is the Falklands on the planned list of wars
Definitely, its up next after the Iran-Iraq war. The goal is to cover every major air conflict up until 2000, I'm just working through them chronologically.
Planned wars to cover are: Falklands, First Gulf War and Bosnia.
There will be rules for naval vessels, ASW and maritime helis and probably submarines too. Although the naval element will be much more abstracted than Harpoon - likely being static radar/SAM/AAA stations.

>are there going to be rules for pilot improvement?
I do plan a campaign system where you have a pool of pilots and aircraft. In this system there will be pilot improvement based on accomplishments in-game, and if pilots are shot down, it will give you a good reason to mount a SAR mission to retrieve them.

Here's what I have so far, still quite a few things to do and no pretty pictures beyond the example images, so kind of wall-of-text-y at the moment.

>>55247804
Awesome, thanks.
This looks like it could well be what I'm looking for, gonna try a playtest or two

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>>55248292
great, let me know how you go.
If you have any questions you can email me at:
[email protected]

Here's the missile and ground asset markers done so far too

On M3d14 F1r3

A S L Maps

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/file/amupbbf9lm6kqow/ASL_-_Map_Boards_21-40.rar

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For the trove (OP)

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>>55163973

kek

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>girl named Matilda finds sword in Domarty Pool
Yes I know it's a film prop, don't kill my buzz
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/schoolgirl-excalibur-king-arthur-lake-discover-dozmary-pool-cornwall-bodmin-moor-matilda-jones-a7930881.html

>>55244205
>Also what are the best blogs?
Niche as fuck, but whenever manoftinblog.wordpress.com updates is a good day. Same guy has a couple of other blogs, which he crosslinks when something relevant's on them, like poundstoreplasticwarriors.wordpress.com

High tolerance for Featherstone and the Brontes advised.

>>55250361
I don't want to rush Liz 2 out, but we could do worse than this new claimant for a successor, you know? Got a decent mandate, what with the sword and all. From both the People *and* the Lady, from the discussions I've had - maybe we could give the old supernatural sword supreme executive power monarchy thing a try again?

could it really be any worse

>>55250800
what im saying is ecw2 kick parliamant down a peg and install a literal little girl as ruler

call it vbcw2 and it's totally relevant to hwg

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>>55250812
>call it vbcw2 and it's totally relevant to hwg
There's an anon around here who was working on a VBCW set in the dark days of the late '70s, particularly focusing on an uprising in Wales
I can't remember the name of it though, but it was a bloody cool idea

>>55250832
Winter of '79? Seen the book for that advertised, never got around to picking it up.

So I guess the war of matilda's sword, or WOMS, will be VBCW III?

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>>55250839
Yes! That's the one I was thinking of
Sadly it doesn't seem to have been updated since February of last year

>>55250856
>F^NT^SY B^Z^R
>KEBAB HOUSE
I like this table.

Phil at Battlefron (FoW) tackles the questions of fucking over the Soviets in game:

"Why do you hate Soviets so much?"

We don't hate them at all.

"Have you guys ever read a book about them that didn't come from their enemies? Maybe a source from Russia directly?"

I've read many Russian sourced documents, from first hand accounts (lots coming out of Russia over the last decade or so) to articles in Russian military journals. They are very informative about how the Red Army operated and how it fought. I've also read many books written with the aid of declassified Soviet-era documentation.

As you suggest, the stuff of last century was almost all based on post-war debriefings of German officers by the US Army, and do not present a very balanced or helpful viewpoint.


"All your rules screw them over and continue these dumb myths about "The Horde", summary executions, stupid peasant farmers, and everything else. And the new rule changes make them even worse."

That's an interesting viewpoint.

A more nuanced view might be that Battlefront reflect the dual nature of the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War. The Red Army combined two different types of unit. It did indeed have lots of freshly-built units full of essentially (by Western standards) untrained soldiers. These units tended to operate in a rather blunt fashion simply because they lacked the capability to do anything much else.

Once these fresh units entered battle, they (according to the soldiers who fought in and with them) rapidly turned into small units of survivors. These then fought on until they received a new influx of fresh soldiers, most of whom died quickly, returning the unit to the same old faces.

>>55250800
If I went round saying I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.

>>55252182
>Forces the Soviets and any non-western forces into the horde role in every system they make
>'Nuanced View'

>>55252182
ONE MAN GETS THE SHIT

THE OTHER MAN GETS THE POST

fucking bf

>>55245401
Probably, although it's a bit new-age for a true grog. I'll allow it though.

>>55252532
Yeah, he really gave a shit answer

>>55242671
Yes.

>>55250812
Put Electric Boogaloo in the end and I'll travel to England to participate.

>>55172052
>Militia
I'm thinking either Hunters of the Alps (Italian Wars of Independence) or Farrapos (Ragamuffin War). Anyhow, I reckon I'll have Garibaldi as a leader!

>>55243455
Thanks for reminding me that I haven't updated this blog in AGES
Hopefully I might have time to paint something soon ish.

Tank War expansion for Bolt action is currently free for September
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/rules-books/products/digital-tank-war-pdf

I've played neither, but have a soft spot for massed tanky combat. Anyone know if its any good?

>>55259250
It's not good. Basically they wasted a book on saying people can take a few more tanks in their army list in certain games.
They didn't overhaul the vehicle system, they didn't make using tanks any more interesting or rework the balance or do basically anything that'd actually make an expansion book worth it.

>>55259553

ah thats a shame, thanks for the feedback

https://tacairnet.com/2015/05/12/hind-heist/

So I've found inspiration for a one-off 80's outing for the Slicks and Snakes ruleset when it's finally done.

>>55258269
Blood and Plunder has 80% of their minis looking dank as fuck, but seriously fuck painting the faces of guys aiming down muskets. They all have inhumanly long faces with ridiculously exaggerated cheekbones and brows that piss me the fuck off.

Your paintjob is ok though, need to thin your paints some more and apply some dullcote to cut the shine. You also have a nasty wash spot on the shoulder of 3rd guy from the right.

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>>55229473

Gamers-Garage may have scans if you're willing to pay for them. Quality is hit-and-miss.

Next War Series files

https://onedrive.live.com/?id=BAF113CFB8DCD1CD%2111206&cid=BAF113CFB8DCD1CD

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>>55265115
Very nice anon
I'll hoover those into a Mega folder over the next day or two

>>55264947
All these pictures are from the second world war and not some early cold war conflict in Africa correct?

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>>55266152
Yes
A recent game the Perrys did, Aussies vs Vichy French, Syria 1941

Bump limit reached, time for a new thread?

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>>55155421
>iron offices
https://books.google.lt/books?id=WEaVpTvHEAYC&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=iron+offices&source=bl&ots=F1Y8WIYC_E&sig=DeSCzVEvuJYW3CJGKrwdDzckGng&hl=lt&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMqr3myJLWAhVSKlAKHX0GC1cQ6AEITDAI#v=onepage&q=iron%20offices&f=false

on the first page of google results, kind anon

>>55156692
That's... not much clearer.

>>55183709
>skag
Apparently, heroin.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/skag

>>55189400
Reminds me of the /tg/ thread where fa/tg/uys had to explain to some oblivious guy that his female friend, is actually, a girlfriend.