Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

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>>55124552
first for superior chapter

>>55124581
A successor chapter so successful it has its own successors.

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reposting
>Ultramarines have the best bike spam
>poor CT:fluff ratio
>best strategy is to spam jump infantry and have very few bikes

How do I flavor an army with primarily jumppack units with little bikes? Or do I just play bikes anyway because I actually like the Chapter and just play with a suboptimal list?

Should I go admech or 1k sons? I like admech's whole theme and everything but a monopose techpriest being the only HQ option (besides cawl) is kind of a bummer for me.

What model needs price change the most?

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I never knew how much I wanted imperial guardsmen on dirt bikes until I saw this, i can just imagine outrider squad of guardsmen with maybe a a light 4 wheeler (possibly something like the taros venator) instead of a attack bike. Holy fuck I want that.

On a very unrelated note i have finished reading the gathering storm and want to know what to read next so i can keep up to date with the lore that established the Primaris

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>>55124552
You motherfucker. Get over here, you filthy 'cron.

>>55124621
Play them the way they're meant to be played. But have a backup force for when you actually want to use them as the "White other Scars" and use better tactics etc etc

>>55124646
Ork Big Gunz kit

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>plan a game for today
>wake up early so I can get all my schoolwork done
>get there early, get my army out, wait for guy to show up
>he gets there and tells me something's come up and he's gotta drop last second
>sit in empty gamestore and stare at my army for an hour and a half and wait for a game but no one is free
>pack up and leave
Is there a worse feeling?

>>55124698
Bring shit to paint on the side you weeb.

>>55124646
Conscripts
3 pts for a model that hits on fives is too much

>>55124621
Don't be a pussy.
Play them the way they were meant to be played.
with SPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

>>55124552
>player brings Celestine to a 1k game and mildly mentions he is gay, as his BF has taken his paints so he can't paint his new penitent engines
>player has broad shoulders but also very large boobs, is painting a slaaneshi warband with rainbow colour dinobots and uses female pronouns for half her marines
Who's the bigger faggot here
>>55124054
>not knowing how to convert
>>55124635
Can you take geneseed from a dreadnought

>>55124640
Sons had some cool bots in 30k, so hopefully they get ported in their codex.

>>55124729
>who's the bigger faggot here
You

>>55124621
The advance and charge for bikers stratagem is amazing whichever WS CT, you just need a big bike deathball

>>55124581
>>55124602
How are Templars this ed? Kind of want to try them, maybe get big crusader squads and vanguards to get stuck in with.

>>55124640
Maybe wait until the end the AdMech codex comes out next month. There wasn't anything new shown off in the leaked white dwarf but who knows, they might still get a new HQ unit with no model.

>>55124715
But with infantry squads being 4pts for 4+ with special options, what role would they still have? Unless you mean to up-price the whole troops hierarchy?
It's always been scripts 3, squads 4 and vets 5

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>>55124729
I dont know, but I'd reckon no.
The homeworld of the astral knights was given over to the sable swords (i think?) after their "demise", also, one of the worlds they saved from the world engine was dedicated as a shrine to them.
The last astral knights (less than a company) gathered up the remaining couple recruits and dreads from their homeworld and left to crusade (likely until their death).
god I wish I had the time/money to collect an astral knight army next to my nids and GK

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>>55124640
Convert Yo Magi, anon. Do one normal Dominus and then if you want more just make nice custom ones. Almost anything works, just arm it with the right gear.

I was thinking of doing one like that Blanche picture of the whiterobed priest grounding his axe on the floor.

>>55124669
Dark imperium and shroud of night so far have been the only ones contiuning the main plot, although i think there is a new book coming out soon regarding troops still fighting on cadia

>>55124698
This happened to me a lot. I'd show up all the time and ask people and make game dates and I got ditched all the time.

>>55124809
Right now it's 3,4,6. It should be 4,5,6.

>>55124809
Infantry squad spam makes morale hardly matter when they're all in 10 man units and any amount of casualties that would threaten the blob in the battleshock phase will just kill the remaining survivors of 1 squad.

On top of that, beinf able to take heavy and special weapons is the deal maker for me

>>55124862
where abouts in the megas can these be found? that shit is huge and i have no idea where im supposed to be looking

Enclaves characters soon

>>55124862
Dude, don't forget the "Hand of Darkness and the "Eye of Night" audiobook series.

There are also a few short stories expanding the lore.

>>55124895
I meant what role would scripts have if they had equal costs to infantry.

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>>55124747
The Thousand Sons Castellax brought to 40k. If only

>>55124928
Well both need to go up 1 point. And the benefit would be that cons benefit from 1 order and stuff like Straken and Priest buffs.

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>mfw the EU is chickening out of a possible tied campaign and turning Imperial

Just ordered a copy of the 40k rulebook from the Dark Imperium box.

Is there a consensus on which CSM legion tactics are better than others? I like the renegades advance and charge, but losing access to veterans of the long war stratagem seems like too steep a price to pay.

>>55125011
Word bearers are the only certified shit one

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>>55125030
>word bearers
>shit once again

H-have faith, Word Bearers...

>>55125011
Honestly depends on your playstyle

Alpha Legion is solid

World Eaters are as well, but hyperfocused to melee

Iron Fists... I mean Imperial Warriors is okay.

Black Legion & Word Bearers are pretty subpar imo

Emperor's Children is silly.

>>55124949
>its psychic relay rule with current smite spam

MUH

>>55125064
I really like how the Alpha Legion would play on the tabletop, but don't love the Alpha Legion fluff. How frowned upon would it be to use Alpha Legion tactics for a non-Alpha Legion warband?

>>55125113
"my dudes are renegades that favor sneaky tactics"

boom done

>>55124767
>How are Templars this ed? Kind of want to try them, maybe get big crusader squads and vanguards to get stuck in with.
Black Templars are currently quite good. Solid characters (the Champion is nuts and you'll want Chaplain Grimaldus for a Black Tide list), reroll charge rolls is powerful, and while they can't take filthy psykers, they can Deny the Witch on a 4+ for a CP.

>>55124621
You could play a Scars successor.

>>55125113
See >>55125128

But overall I enjoy Alpha Legion's tactic the most. As I feel it's the most well rounded (besides Iron Warriors (and Word Bearers)) that isn't pigeonholed into a role/army theme

>>55125057
It's handy if you want to make a summoning focused army. But if you aren't heavily leaning on that you'd be better off with something else. Even just the Renegades tactic.

What's the biggest surprise you pulled on your opponents? Like they expected you to play one way and you ended up doing something that left them confused on how to fight you.

My opponent heard Guard and figured I'd sit still. They were not ready for Valkyrie Bullgryn, Assassins, Scions, Inqusitors in Terminator armor and Straken with infantry squads bum rushing. So many turn 1 charges and move move move on everyone putting them in the enemy's face.

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>"hey I forgot my tape measurer, can I borrow yours?"

>>55125338
forgetting your tape is a favored pastime of Warhammer players across the world

>>55125263
I played primaris in the first few weeks of 8th against a razorback spam list

Who knew hellblasters in cover would be so resilient to assault cannons and would remove two razorbacks per turn

Never read a WH40k book. What's the first series I need to read and has anything been retconned by current editions?

>>55125198
This is what I did, I ended up making a western Chinese themed successor primaris chapter that focused on boarding actions and fleet skirmishes. Lots of aggressors, inceptors and grav chute reivers.

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When are we getting books about the siege of terra?

>>55125423
Who's your faction/who do you think is the most interesting?

Dark imperium is one of the newest books and it describes the new/modern setting, plus it's a pretty ok read

>>55125372
>remove two razorbacks per turn
5 shots per turn
Hitting on 3+/Wounding on 3+/No Save at D2

Need 5 USW to kill a Razorback.
~ 11-12 Hellblasters to wreck a Razorback
At 33ppm its ~300+ pts to kill a Razorback (100pts w/ TL Assault Cannon)

>Granted you could have used Lts and Captains for rerolls, but I doubt you were wrecking 2 RB a turn... unless your army was nothing BUT Hellblasters

>>55125470
Chaos Daemons are my favorite, Nurgle specifically. I always thought there was an overarching storyline going on but is it primarily just read what you want about your faction?

>>55125423
I highly recommend starting with Eisenhorn. It's very light on grimdark (comparatively, at least) and is an excellent set of books. The followups, the Ravenor series, is a bit more of a toss-up, but I liked them.

There's also the Gaunt's Ghosts series, if you want some guardsmen goodness, and in that same category are the Ciaphas Cain novels (with a lot more humor added in).

Welp, last four electropriests may or may not have a horrible skin pox. Was rebuilding armoured limbs with greenstuff after cutting off greaves and such, and the greenstuff was a little lumpy and dust/plastic fragments kept getting stuck to it.
Hopefully I can sort it in the morning so it won't look terrible when primed.

>>55125459
Next year. The start of it methinks. The current coming books are focusing on the loyalist march towards Terra

>>55125372
>>55125488
Unless you could get to Rapid Fire Range... which if you could always be in Cover AND get to 15"... that's an impressive amount of cover you got.

what if not all psykers knew smite?

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Are women more likely to be tainted by Chaos?

>>55125263
Doesn't Move Move Move forbid charging in the same turn?

Browsed all the 40K threads and couldn't find it, so I'm asking. Does anyone have the Berzerker drinking coffee reaction pic?

>>55125553
>Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it flows...

>>55125557
It does, but I assume he Valk'd in the T1 Charges and T2 the Guardsmen were in Rapid Fire / Charging range for the follow up

>>55125128
>>55125216
I wanted to make a warband that used all of the gods' troops, or at least had a little bit of everything, but Black Legion tactics felt uninspiring and the "Renegades" legion, while great for insuring charges sans warptime, denies you access to veterans of the long war. So, of the unmarked legions, that leaves Iron Warrior, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion and Night Lords, of which Alpha Legion seems the standout.

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>>55125459
When are we getting books about the unification of Terra?

>>55125593
Exactly.
>>55125557
Yeah you can't charge. I just had everything in his face turn 1 between all the deepstriking and running. Had to order the officers too. Bullgryn valk charging is savage.

>>55125576
Freebleeding is appropriately Nurgle themed as well.

>>55125576

Some have more blood flow than others if you take my meaning?

I'd like a reasonable name for my Astra Militarum Company commander

Captain <First name> <Nickname> <Lastname>

Nothing too memeish please. Dubs get special consideration.

>>55125553
Chaos really doesn't care about who worships them only how they are worshiped.

>>55125645
>I'd like a reasonable name
>Nothing too memeish
>Dubs only get special consideration
No. You'll get shit names and you'll like it.

>>55125665
Honk.

>>55125488
>Granted you could have used Lts and Captains for rerolls, but I doubt you were wrecking 2 RB a turn... unless your army was nothing BUT hellblasters

Well a large portion of my 2000 points was hellblasters but yes having corner deployments, central objectives and an eager opponent who drove right into rapid fire range let me get them down pretty quick.

>>55125520
Not that hard to get 5 man units toe in on ruins t b h.

Anyone knows where can i find the anthology "the everliving legion" in pdf format? It has a lot of necron in it and many of the books inside are not in the megas above as far as i can see.

>>55125338
Aren't you the same faggot who tried to say all FW models were OP yesterday?

>>55125621
Probably once BL decides they've milked the HH dry.

>>55125645
>nothing too memish
>dubs only get consideration
Well what's the fun in that? Go to Reddit for real serious names

>>55125627
>Happy that Bullgryn are so stronk now
>Sad that it makes Ogryn essentially redundant as hell.
Seriously. Tell me why I should use them over Bullgryn

>>55125720
Fine. Give me your worst.

Fluff-wise, would a renegade Dark Angels chapter ever ally with the Fallen, or is the programmed enmity just too strong?

>>55125730
Prince Nigger Jew
Son of King Nigger Jew

>>55125593
>>55125627
Ah gotcha, misunderstood. I am silly.

>>55125645
>Captain Lazarus "Lascannon" Lohengrin

>>55125553
Cory Feldman likes 40k?

>>55125736
>would a renegade Dark Angels chapter ever ally with the Fallen, or is the programmed enmity just too strong?
Only the Inner Circle know of the Fallen. If something happened to the Chapter's 1st, 2nd Companies and the Command then the chapter wouldn't even know of The Hunt

>>55125736
Might be the first guys they run to

>>55125792
Just hasnt been the same since he lost Cory

>>55125645
Captain M'butu M'bala

>>55125730
Queen Nigger Jew

>>55125645
Do you have him painted? If you already do and post him it might help.

>>55125730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58485iFaX98

>>55125728
Im sad too. There's no reason other than price. Sure you can get 5 Ogryn for cheaper than 4 Bullgryn but they still won't be worth it. They need a better gun to be worth it, but if you make their gun better then they are too cheap. Their problem is they have no AP for shooting or close combat and their guns have short range. Even if you made the guns 24 inches they still have no AP and still have 5+ saves. The guns have to be at least 18 inches at -1AP to be worth it to me and they won't get changed.

>>55125553
Women are more hormonal thus more easily swayed by emotions. They also are more likely to try to seek peaceful resolutions to conflict, which is a dangerous path when comes to chaos

>>55125796
and the inner circles of ALL their successor chapters.

>>55124902
Dont think theyre in the megas, search in google mediafire and the book title, should bring up old threads with the sources in them
>>55124926
Do you happen to know which short stories they are that continue the dark imperium arc?

>>55125767
weak
>>55125730
Use one of these instead:
W.E.B du Fucboi
Jo Sweden, "Male Ally"
Noam Choadsky

>>55124902

https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg

40k background

>>55125925
LOL HILARIOUS

>>55125645
Just use a sci-fi name generator.

>>55125730
Jim "KingKong" McNuggets.
BigDick Son of BigStick
Not Sure
Bobi Wan Kentucky
Jim HotDog Phallan
His excellency, prince of Muriana, leader of the foga marches, conqueror of the rins, the legendary high fieldmarshal Jeo
Jio YellyBelly Duman (only applicable for that fat cadian lt)
Bubba Slim
Hubba Fat(also only applicable for fat lt.)
Vice Lord Commander of the Imperium Koril Landers
Taz Ratsnack Prolim
Uga
Lt Clint "golddigger" Kelly

>>55125645
>>55125730
Captain Barry "Spiderlord" Johnson.

>>55125645
Captain Mylum "Trench" Karrab

Holy shit you fat nerds are bad at names.

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I haven't played 40k in 3 years. I hear the new edition is worth coming out of retirement for. I have several armies. Chaos marines, daemons, imperial guard, space marines, dark eldar, and a few orks I built up since 2nd edition. Which one is the least shitty army now?

>>55126102
Dark eldar ironically you WAACfaggot fuck.

>>55125645
Steve "Interesting" Davis

>>55126102
Would you believe if I told you that Orks were near top tier now?

>>55126102
Guard is probably the strongest at this moment. But any of those armies would do fine.

>>55126102
Sell the rest join the waaagh

actually its rather balanced compared to 7th with only few toogood or toobad things

so join Waaaghboss Gumstrom or get smacked

>>55126111
Cool. I have a soft spot for them.

>>55126119
I live in the USA so I believe anything is possible nowadays.

>>55126123
Good to know. I've since gotten something of a social life going so I want to focus on a non-gimped army is all.

>>55126137
2 votes for the waaagh! Cool. I learned never to sell your minis though. You say you'll never come back, but you come back. I guess that's why I have so many armies. That and I had an awesome hookup for years. No details to protect the guilty, but let's just say I got my plastic crack at deep, deep discount for a few years.

>>55125952
Is there somewhere with part 2 and 3 of eye of night as that seems to be missing in the mega as well as the whole of hand of darkness

white dwarf admech leak, who's got it?

>>55126230
It's just like a page giving the release date of Sept. 23rd and saying Cawl is getting released individually.

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>>55126247
Just no.

Do we know necromunda's release date yet?

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>>55126247
>only the dead may know peace from this evil

>>55126285
No.

>>55126285
Around November-December, probably the same slot as the Horus Heresy plastic sets.

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>>55124581
Killing all xenos isn't good m'kay?

>>55125645
Captain Otrusk "Wolvog" Al'Hithem

>>55125730
Buff Vanderhuge

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>>55126309

>>55126247
Why do like 99% of nurgle conversions turn out laughably shit?

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>>55126247
Brothers!

>>55125645

Colonel Solar Alexander Petrov

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>>55125338

Sorry bro its not taped but its good enough right?

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>>55126397
Fucking furries.

>>55126396
I think people try to learn how to sculpt green stuff, it turns out shitty, they keep going, it's still shitty, so they decide to paint them green and start a nurgle army.

>>55126396
People overdo it very easily.

Who is the Illidan Stomrrage of m42 and why is it Abaddon the Liberator?

>>55126247
Those things look like you took moldy pinecones and glued dollar store plastic mens heads to them

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>>55126392
You all 'll do as Imperial Regent wishes.

>>55124971
>Chickening out

nigga the campaign was NEVER going to be tied without GW actively screwing with the system.

GW purposefully fudged the numbers for chaos on a couple of occasions, because that VAST majority of active players are imperial or imperial oriented xenos.

>>55126453
>Implying I made those things

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Hey new to 40k getting ready for a 750pt match. How does this look?

Tech-Priest Dominus: Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster

Troops [ 3 ]

5x - Skitarii Rangers
> 4x Rangers
> 2x Transuranic arquebus
> 1x Ranger Alpha: Galvanic rifle

10x - Skitarii Vanguard
> 9x - Skitarii Vanguard
> 1x - Vanguard Alpha: Radium Carbine

10x - Skitarii Vanguard
> 9x - Skitarii Vanguard
> 1x - Vanguard Alpha: Radium Carbine

Heavy Support [ 2 ]

2x - Onager Dunecrawler
> Broad Spectrum Data-tether
> Cognis Heavy Stubber
> Neutron Laser/Cognis Heavy Stubber

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>>55124971

>>55126397
holy shit my nightmares

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>>55126396
The same reason that the overwhelming majority of ork scratchbuilds are absolute shit, it's the idea that basically anything goes, and the only limiting factor is the amount of disgust on your opponents face you can tolerate when you drop a blue-peter abomination of bog roll tubes, plants pots and craft paint on the table

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>>55124677
Mek gunz should be 2-3 in a box to justify the current price, especially since you want them in units of 5.

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>>55126619
exactly, its fucking insane, only good thing is that with a bit of Ork ingenuity you can get about 4-5 guns out of the kit

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>>55126439
>>55126592

Wheres a good place to get a lot of plasticard for cheap?

>>55126735
Home depot or lowes. Find the aisle where they sell signs like "For Sale" and "Beware of Dog". They're plasticard and you get a lot of it for a fraction of the price of a hobby store.

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>>55126649
my man

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Why dont the majority of 40k players work out more and eat less shitty food?

>>55126783
Never noticed the squig on his back
And I'm struck that at some point he cared enough about it to make tiny goggles for it

>>55126811
1. Play 40k
2. Do things with your life

You must choose. But choose wisely.

>>55126812
holy shit theres actually a goggled squig on his back.

>>55126834
play a little bit of 40k and then do a little bit of things with you life?

>>55126812
It's also got an iron gob, and robork legs.

>>55126867
Heresy

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This things still up for $300 in VERY VERY GOOD condition.

>>55125730
Chester " the molester " sanchez

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>>55126592
Sometimes that leads to awesome though.

>>55126735
Plastic wholesaler. >>55126780 will only have thin, small sheets. Plastic wholesalers will have a variety of thicknesses in 8'x4' sheets.

Or get a job in retail. Every time we change out our signing, all the old stuff goes right into my car.

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>>55126867
Never half ass something. Whole ass one thing.

So with the new addition how would you say that this game is still better than Age of Sigmar or comparative to it?

I haven't bought anything yet so I'm trying to decide which one I want to pick up.

>>55124640

How about you don't go with some hipster faction and play Tau or UM instead?

>>55126923
Better

any epubs of ADB's Black Legion floating around?

>>55126939
I thought Tau were hipster? Or am I being trolled

>>55124581
Boy u ain't wrong

>>55126923
Theyre both pretty fun, but I prefer 8th. Our local 'ork' player absolutely hates 8th because he finds it 'too complex', preferring just 8th.

>>55126992
Oops, meant he just likes AoS

>>55126955
>ADB's black legion
They are now, aren't they?

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I own a bunch if Blood Angels shit. Do I really need Primaris models to be competitive with them?

>>55127030

The most competitive Astartes lists don't use any Primaris at all.

>>55127030
No.

>>55127039

Thank god. I was not looking forward to having to buy an entire new Army of models.

What are most competitive Space Marine armies fielding now?

I like the Primaris models, but what Chapters work well with them? I really want to have a gun line army.

>>55126897
Scratch building can produce really great stuff, but the difference is that the guy from irondog who built the tater-titan always has both a plan of what he wanted to create and the required skill to build it.
But 90% of ork builds are just plasticard and leftover bits haphazardly slapped together with no real forethought or direction, I myself have been guilty of this in the past.

>>55127061
Guillimeme

>>55127061

Field many Stormravens or many Razorbacks.

>>55127147

>all ive got are drop pods

Life is hell.

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>>55127061
Rowboat Gummyman

>>55126309
Why does this look like it was traced from an episode of Archer?

guys is viable a Chaos decimator with two soulbuner petards?

Is there a 3rd party bit for a terminator sized eviscerator, or a handy tutorial for one?

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Do you live?

>>55125645
Captain bad stats <shitty nickname> 100000 goodboi leader

>>55127221
Isn't literally a big chainsword?
Combine multiple chainswords

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>>55125576

>>55127221
http://ebay.com/itm/Conversion-World-Sword-04-40-Tabletop-40k-Bitz-Space-Marine-compatible-41-/142257550299?txnId=1437066757004

>>55127245
Its also got a hand guard, and usually is a bit bulkier looking so multiple chainswords wouldnt look to well

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>>55127173
i honestly feel really bad for people who ran stehl rahin lists in past editions. You guys got fucked as hard as riptide wing players, but did nothing wrong. like hitler j/k

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>>55127226
Not sure...

>>55125645
Captain Adolf "Literally Hitler" Hitler

>>55127176
Wtf I love Guilliman now??

Did he actually say this

>>55125730
Broseph Stalin

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Anyone with experience with big models like Magnus, Tyranid shit and so on have any experience transporting them around?

Wondering how you'd transport Mortarion, given his size.

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>>55127299

>>55125645
Captain Steve 'The Thunder from Down Under, Destroyer of the Great Barrier, Terror of the Outback' Irwin

>>55127347
Move to a bigger house and transport people to it. Easier than moving these models

>>55127347
wrap him in bubble wrap and put him inside a good shoebox

it looks ghetto as fuck, but is the best method.

>>55127347
a) magnetize at convenient points, disassemble for transport
b) dedicated foams custom made for the particular model

>>55126247
These are shit

>>55126397
This is fantastic

>>55127338
Yes he did, but dismissed right after.

>>55127347
if its just one big model i recommend buyin him his own box, plastic storage boxes for food are good. and fill it with bubblewrap where you lie him in carefully so he cannot move inside.

If its multiple.... well... you CAN use the GW cases, but you might need loads of space for a few models. Or you shell out for pluckfoam and make special inlays for these only

>>55127347
Stop driving like fucking retards

So am I making a good choice in holding off on picking up some of the chapter masters for my dark angels army (getting back into the game) in hopes that they get resculpted, or should I just buy them?

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I really like the rules of 8th, but something about 40k has been bothering me lately. Maybe it's always been this way but it seems to escalate as GW releases all these new models (primarchs and demon princes) ...

Anyone else despise that 40k has become all about the same dozen or so Mary Sue characters fighting each other? Remember when people used to take unnamed characters and applied a little creativity?

I swear players weren't always crutching this hard on using their factions biggest and baddest Mary Sue in every single match.

Maybe I'm wrong.

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>STILL no Mortarion model

Are intercessors garbage?

Are stalker rifles garbage?

>>55127414
there is only one chapter master of the dark angels. and that model is like REEEEEAAALLLY old. All other named chars are not really newer. So i would try 2nd hand as many have bought it over time.

Or wait they might get new models (but those might be primaris)

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>>55127443

intercessors are great... for making true-scale marines

>>55127424

>instead of legendary captains and racial leaders fighting each other, its now legendary primarchs, demigods, and superpowered Aeldari

whats the fucking difference, besides model scales?

>>55127424
might be your local store.
here using a primarch or similar is askin to be called powergaming faggot

I think I just found a way to make chosen playable. A squad of 5 chosen with 5 combi-bolters is 90pts, which is dirt cheap because each model gets 4 shots and 2 attack in melee.

>>55127424
I just use Magni as a LoC, even gave him a bird head

>>55127424
Yeah, welcome to primarch party, don't have a primarch? Sucks to be you. AKA, Xenos+IG+Admech

>>55124552
Thoughts on a 1500 point Necron List
HQ: Overlord with warscythe and res orb
Cryptek
Troops: Two max warrior blobs and 10 immortals with tesla
will take a Ghost Ark
Elites: Triach Stalker with Twin Heavy
Fast Attack: 3 Destroyers
Heavy: Heavy Destroyer

>>55127424

Happened in Fantasy with HeroHammer, then they went End Times and AoS.

Is happening now with 40k. Next edition will be full AoS etc...

do you faggots even play or just bitch about chaos and fluff?

>>55127471

it's the legendary shit in general that bothers me. the appeal of the 40k universe, to me at least, has always been how big it is and how much awful stuff is going on.

I get that some people don't give a shit about imagining any sort of narrative behind it and are happy to have custodes fighting custodes or two rowboat girlymans fighting each other, but like... I don't care about Commissar Yarrick's 548,654,323th skirmish of his career, or the 803,434th time he's been hit by a las cannon and vaporized.

I don't know, I guess it's not the sort of shit that your average player gives a fuck about, it just bothers me for some reason.

>>55127539
I play Thursday nights, sometime i can get another game in during the week.

>>55127512

Think ghost ark can only take warriors...unless it's errata'd...also needs tomb blades if you are playing for objectives

>>55127494

That's creative at least.

I don't even really mind when people do a counts as thing and they're like "this guy is actually some other dude but I use Ghazkull's stats because he's the only one who has a useful aura" or whatever.

I guess I'm just tired of seeing the same battles with the same context rehashed over and over.

As the other anon mentioned, it could just be my game store...

>>55127449
I had all of the except for Sammael before I sold my stuff off the last time, Azrael was a pain in the dick to build. I just really don't like any of them, that's why I'm hoping that when we get our model for Lion El Jonson comes out, some of those old as hell sculpts get redone like Typhus did.

>>55127280

Don't get me wrong I thought they were under costed back in 7th but the changes are really unacceptable.

>>55127347
S H O E B O X
I actually have to take a whole suitcase to my lgs to transport my nid army.
I use the foam from one of the official GW cases so the little gaunts dont move around.
The big dudes get wrapped in fluff.
Also, be careful when moving it. Know which way around it's supposed to be.

>>55127577
You're not wrong.

I see Guilliman fight Guilliman all the time

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Why is it Slaanesh's thing to let you know everyone's fears?

Isn't that Tzeentch or sometihng? What does knowledge like that have to do with Slaanesh? Starting to think ADB is a hack.

>>55127338
he did but he regrets it almost immediately
in fact he goes through a really complex set of emotions and comes to understand why the Emperor was so secretive when he finally has to be the top boy

if you haven't I recommend reading Dark Imperium

>>55127601
If you want to just post the gif just post the gif anon, we don't need a question every time

My favorite bit of new fluff is Guilliman spending a century correcting people that quote things attributed to him but that he never said.

>>55127596

Even though I'm not an ultramarines player I thought it would be a cool idea a while back to get the FW girlyman model and make like a big elite honor guard force around their risen primarch... (before GW brought him back officially)

the idea just seems so tired and basic now, i'm glad i didn't do it

>>55127637

The real accomplishment is how he made himself look even more amazing, despite this.

>>55127504
>Admech
Well, we have electro-priests. Primarchs best keep their distance or they'll get morris-danced to death by a bunch of /fit/ Spess Catholics. I wonder if Mortarion will still die in one charge from them? I suspect not, but they'll probably still take a chunk out.

Personally I'm ordering half the parts for my kitbashed Archmagos countsas Cawl tomorrow, although the actual body will have to wait until I have enough spare moneys to get the FW Archmagos and probably some other stuff from Miranda Irene. Fuck paying £60 for some kitbash fodder. I guess I can degobbo and cybernetic up the spider abeyant in the meantime. Hopefully people will be chill with him, I'm just sick of every game being Guilliman vs. Magnus feat. Voldus as it tends to be at my store, and I think Cawl is a little overdone with his million differently-designed tentacles.

Anyone know a good way to let a model like that switch between a 60mm circle base (for heresy) and a 105/70 oval (Cawl)? Not really any good points to magnetize given he's a mechanical drider thing.

Cut out a circle from the big base and have the scenery lock together?

>>55127560
I'll just have one of the warrior squads take it.
Are tomb blades worth the points cost?

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>>55127577
I use my Grandmaster model as a counts as draigo because, and most people are fine with that. I do use the Draigo model if someone complains tho.
In the same way, I want to build a custom Hive Tyrant with a tentacle face and a giant scythe and claws that I'll use as a counts as Swarmlord. (will miss using this guy tho)

>>55127668

That's a sexy bug.

Playing Space Marine for the first time. Kind of weirded out to hear Skittari mentioned in audiologs as defending the forgeworld. I wonder why you dont see a single one the entire game. Also wow did not expect Lasguns to fire like they do. Completely different ammount of respect for them now.

>>55127703

Admech wasn't uber popular when the game was being developed.

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>>55127601
Are you talking about the Night Lord who can detect/taste fears? Are you really asking why Slannesh would. Give that ability to a Night Lord?

>>55127541
while I understand how you feel the setting is unavoidably going for a narrative based development and while I actually enjoy that more than just the setting itself I get your struggling, at the end of the day the best thing you can do is just enjoy the franchise for what you like about it and not necessarily for what others do

>>55127443
>Are intercessors garbage?
>Are stalker rifles garbage?
No. They aren't amazing. But they can perform very well. And with a power sword they're surprisingly competent in melee. All three guns have their uses depending on their role and your CTs, but generally normal Bolt Rifles are the most useful and Stalker Bolt Rifles the least. The issue with Stalker Intercessors is Sniper Scouts kinda to the same job but better. 5 Intercessors with Bolt Rifles, an Auxiliary Grenade Launcher and a Power Sword are a very competent troops choice.

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>>55127659
Actually, while I'm talking about it, which is best spider model for crazy Magos dude, anons? Can't decide which one to use as the base, although the first two are metal and may be a bit more problematic to convert.

I'd use the Heresy Miniatures gigantic spider but I play at a geedubs, so no third party for me.

>>55127703

Those were the older Skitarii, too. Huge tribal monstrosities with massively resilient augments and implanted weapons, the higher ranks matches for Space Marines.
You see a bunch in Titanicus, where one takes over a hundred lasgun shots, bolter rounds and grenades before going down.

I suspect the reason they're not in the game is that they'd be way cooler than pretty much everything else there.

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>>55127659
>/fit/ Spess Catholics
You're making me want to play Ad-Mech as pic related.

>>55126309
T H I C C
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>>55127601
>why would the god of sensation let you detect peoples fears
Gee I don't know, why does the god of decay make you tough? Why does the god of bloodshed make you strong? Why does the god of magic make you think?

>flyer spam is the new meta AGAIN

Well you guys got your wish it's just like 5th Edition all over again.

>>55127767
What is the cause of this? I don't follow the competitive scenes.

>>55127478
This.

General rule here is no name characters and no forgeworld unless it's some huge event game.

>>55127745
>Those were the older Skitarii, too. Huge tribal monstrosities with massively resilient augments and implanted weapon
I feel robbed

>>55127424
This battle was fought long ago at the start of 3rd Ed. When special characters were all still designated "opponents permission only". Special Characters won and have been all over place since. That doesn't mean you can't "your dudes" the heck out of your army and still compete. It's a bit of a handicap, but you absolutely can.

>>55127764
idk, why?

>>55127767
Shouldn't flyers be worse now that they can't cap objectives anymore thanks to the FAQ?

>>55127779

Muhreen flyer spam is killling it at tournaments. Stormraven is back, baby!

>>55127767
Wait how is it the meta again? It was for a brief period but one of the FAQ's stated Flyers don't count as a unit when determining if you've been tabled.
If you bring nothing but flyers you lose turn 1, and if you spam flyers your opponent only needs to remove your non-flyers to table you.

>>55127662

I really hated painting them...but the thing is, if you give them carbines it costs the same as gauss. Plus they can't get 'locked in combat', meaning they can fall back (up to 14" I believe) while still shooting. Plus they have RP and 2 wounds. If you have enough models to make a unit of 9, it's going to be pretty hard to kill it off. It's not the most powerful unit, but Crons don't shoot or melee well I'm finding out, and at least tomb blades can fly around the battlefield being dicks and scoring points. I only have 3 of them but to make a competitve list I feel like 2 units of 9 each would be pretty tough to contend with.

If you add the shieldvanes and shadowlooms it might not be worth the cost, but otherwise I think it should be a pretty good way to go. try it and let me know =)

>>55127783
>no name characters
Fuck that, bullshit I can't bring Ahriman or Kharne

>>55127827
marine flyers are pretty tough gun boats, you can't spam ONLY them anymore but they are still good enough to take 3 or 4 of them.

>>55127786
I did too when I read the book, as much as I like my current tinmen. I'm hoping we pick up Myrmidons in our IA book so I can add some spare Kairic Acolytes bits to make them look more "aggressive technobarbarian tribal" and mix the old guard into my current army.

Also, I want to see the place the Graian Skitarii stood against the Orks, at least before the Graian Crown fucked off and left the forges below to the Orks as Graia usually does. Would have been a hell of a last stand.

>>55127767
Flyer spam has already been killed off by rules errata.

>>55127779
>What is the cause of this? I don't follow the competitive scenes.
The competitive flyers just tend to be really durable due to the "hard to hit" rule and with 360° firing arcs the downside of constantly having to move in minimal. That said, the fact that flyers can no longer capture objective nor count for sudden death means actual flyer spam is pretty much dead. They're still a good supplement to a normal army though.

Further dealing with flyers isn't nearly the chore it could be in 5th-7th since shooting a flyer is generally just -1 to hit rather than only hit on 6+.

>>55127783
So Marines would still get reroll auras but my Guard wont?

>>55127894
Guard are supposed to operate through orders. Not Harker in everything.

>>55127406
Yes, they are shit. That's why I posted them.

>>55127882
Yes that. I get that the game is called SPACE MARINE but I would still love to see what kind of defense was put up considering you find NOTHING but Guardsmen by the time you get there.
Also, the Skitarii broke before the Guard did : ^ )

>>55127880
It kind of makes sense though, aerial superiority is kind of important in battle.
I don't play very competitively though is it that bad?
There's 1 storm raven and 2 storm talons at my lgs total. Along with 2 heldrakes and 2 of those necron croissant flyers.
Unless you count winged HQ's that's kind of it.

>>55127590
Yeah, they're pretty shit now. Which is a shame because i honestly hate rhinos.

Tell me, since I have an excess of both, how do I make my Chimera and Ogryn good? I feel like Taurox and Bullgryn have completely overshadowed both.

>>55127851
I'll check them out

How do they compare to Destroyers though?

>>55127979
Ogryn, i dont know. I want to experiment using them to hold a mission objective near center, where their relative cheap price and gun can make a harder to dislodge unit then guardsmen. (Especially now that you need ALL the unit in cover) but i dont have any.

Chimera is still good, because you can but a commander a special weapon squad and a command squad in one, so you have two squads that can be given orders. (Remember you cannot spam commmand squads that easy anymore). This does not fit in a taurox. Also i have had good successes with a Heavy Flamers now they hit on 5+ when moving. Would not put 2 on a chimera to increase its utility.

>>55127937
They're Skitarii, I wouldn't be remotely surprised if they died standing long before they broke given they've been known to swarm Chaos Titans like ants. They'd make a pretty decent fist of tearing through Orks since they're basically an army of 3+ Sv. WS4 Custodes with fancier guns if you use the Myrmidon rules for them. I imagine a hell of a lot of their gear is going to be those guns the more elite orks are toting around.

>>55127807
That list is half dead already.

New meta is the army of assassins lists. Completely shuts down smite spam and spells that target enemy players (weakens the rest), nigh-unkillable to anything less than hordes, and controls the shooting phase via massed characters.

>>55128047
Yeah but Ripper guns are kind of rubbish. How do they discourage dislodgement compared to a 2+ save and a maul?

>>55128067

Ok I'll bite. What does an army of assassins list look like?

>>55128125
>Ok I'll bite.
This isn't bait, dumbass

It's Herohammer with a screening of the Null Assassin that exploits the character targeting rules.

Can't shoot anyone behind the assassins and the assassins can only be hit on a 6

>>55128154
So.....Ork Boys and Conscripts are the answer?

>>55124671
Oh hey, are you like the 3 or so leftover or are you part of Bobby G's primaris project?

>>55128154
>>55128163

And now we're back to step 1

>how does i beet whorde

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>>55128125
>>55128154

It is this list, reposting for your benefit

>>55124949
That thing looks kick ass.

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>>55127783
I really like the admech Titan guards from forge world but don't want to be that guy.

>>55128196

By the Emperor.

>>55128012

never tried destroyers, I've been thinking about it a little. Maybe split the difference and do a big unit of each? See which you like better.

>>55126247
>I bet Dio did this

>>55127424
The only time I'm ever going to use a named character will be if GW gives my hydrabros their primarch back or Exodus

>>55125068
>Curving Mind Bullets
I didn't know how badly I needed this

>>55128115
they dont
but they are cheaper....
I know i know
2+save bullgryn are the best ogryn.

I just want to have some use for normal ogryn.

>>55127795
>>55127424
My main tactic for YD when I don't want the canon character but like their stats in my army is a lovely little rule called "counts as" I take the stats of the hero, and apply them to my own character, be they generic or named.

All you need is some good proxies or conversions after that to make it feel like your own

>>55128294
Its hard to argue with 1+ in cover...
actually its easy if you have Lascannons or Melta but still.

>>55128294
Im going to try driving 4 Ogryn and 4 Bullgryn around in Chimera next game to an objective and see what kind of work I can do. I mean Ogyns HAVE to be better against Hordes right?

>>55125064
Black Legion have an ok tactic and Abbadoodle is really fucking good. They opperate under the assumption that you'll gear your army to those strengths.

Alpha Legion best legion tho, Forward Operatives is nuts and their tactic makes everything better.

Just realized you cant fit Ogryn/Bullgryn in a chimera with anything else but officers. Im mad now. Ogryn + a Command Squad sounded rad as hell

>>55128454
You could use a Stormlord

For a fully mechanized, never-touch-the-ground, violently hypermobile Dark Eldar list, what's the best way to shred hordes? Wounding conscripts on 4+ with guns feels awkward to me so I'm not sure what that best way is to violently tear into guard and gaunts and boyz without compromising my desired hit and run raiding party aesthetic.

Raider full of splinter rifles? Shardcarbine Scourge? Venoms? Reavers? Maybe something melee I can cram into Raiders - I haven't looked much into non-Kabal troops yet

>>55128610
Hellions?

>>55128629
They're the weird flying skateboard elves right? Honestly their aesthetic doesn't really do it for me so I skipped over them. If they're strong enough I might go back and see what conversions I could do but they just pale in style next to Reavers and Ravagers

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>>55127467
I want to see Primaris Marines in true-scale (relative to true-scale marinelets).

I need this meme.

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Anyone know what the Nurgling paint scheme is on the SC! box? Looks pretty white but with a very little tinge of green.

It looks much whiter on the box than in pic related

>>55128610

Honestly, Deldar are shit at hordes. The only way to handle them is okay keep away and hope you whittle them down enough. Hellions aren't really ideal against them because their D2 is wasted, though the exception is Poxwalkers, but they do have 2 attacks (3 with drugs) at S4, which isn't bad. Wyches are actually capable of holding them in melee, and Brides have the capability to take out large chunks in melee. Just watch for pistols because fuck dodge :^)

>>55128672
True, they're kinda janky looking. Maybe convert/3rdparty your own biker noses onto the models and just use em as reavers?

Guy playing Space Marine here.
Just got to the Guard Bastion before the Valk segment. Looking around I see alot of neat shit like Earthshaker platforms, Salamanders, and Tarantulas.
Im kind of upset this franchise was handled so poorly, they obviously cared.

>>55128725
Bladevanes seem decent for eating GEQs, what about crashing shittons of drugged up reavers into hordes? They get their splinter shots as they approach and then an adequate number of attacks in melee. Now that I do the math, Shardcarbines are surprisingly shit.

Hordes are low concern because of my local meta, but I like to have balanced lists and the local thousand sons player has something like 60 horrors he's looking for a use for

I also can't seem to find a good place for Archons

>>55128703
Go to their YouTube channel, warhammertv, and look up the video of Duncan painting poxwalkers. Its the same color scheme

basically white with a green wash

>>55124698
Truly the worst feeling. What's worse is when you arrive but everyone there is already playing a game or deliberately excludes you from the conversation.

Using Bullgryns, can I just mix Slabshields and Brute Shields, and then choose which save I want to use depending on the weapon that is being fired at me?

>>55128862
>Bladevanes seem decent for eating GEQs
Yes S4 Ap-1 is good against GEQ. However
>what about crashing shittons of drugged up reavers into hordes?
They're 30ppm before upgrades, and you want to crash them into a group of 20-50 dudes? With extra attack drugs, one dude will kill one GEQ. I wouldn't do that.

>Now that I do the math, Shardcarbines are surprisingly shit.
The math on all splinter weapons are shit.

>Hordes are low concern because of my local meta, but I like to have balanced lists and the local thousand sons player has something like 60 horrors he's looking for a use for
Ignore horrors. That's your best option, really.

>I also can't seem to find a good place for Archons
I stick mine with Wyches or Brides or I stick him with a 5 man kabalite or trueborn squad in a raider.

If I take one unit of Custodes with my Space Marines army in a battle forged list, can I insert them in the Battalion Detachment alongside my Chads or do they go in the Auxiliary Detachment and I lose 1 CP for taking them?

They have the imperium keyword but not the adeptus astartes keywords.

>>55128196
Retribution are 6 PL not that it matters but why do people keep making that mistake

>>55129013
Are Archons the best choice for what I'm going for, or should I stick a Succubus in a raider with some melee troops and drive them at the enemy? I prefer shooty, but 79 points for an HQ tax and 1 Blaster feels silly unless I plan on dedicating that Archon to melee as well

Sorry if these are pretty basic questions, but learning from asking always felt like the best way to learn to me

>>55127539
I play when I can get away to make the hour drive to my nearest game shop, which is less friendly and not local.

>>55128998
Yes, until one of your models loses a Wound. Then you have to keep taking the saves on the wounded model until it dies, then you can allocate freely again.

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Is anyone able to tell me why I would choose a Tau XV86 Coldstar Battlesuit between a regular Tau Commander?

I see that the movement is different and the High output burst cannon gets twice the attacks of a normal one, but he cannot take any of the other weapons that would be probably better than a burst cannon that you already have a ton of.

>>55129061
>Are Archons the best choice for what I'm going for, or should I stick a Succubus in a raider with some melee troops and drive them at the enemy?
Deldar HQs are in a weird spot because they decided to give the Archon a Ld buff to the fearless army, and the succubus only rerolls 1s in the fight phase.

>I prefer shooty, but 79 points for an HQ tax and 1 Blaster feels silly unless I plan on dedicating that Archon to melee as well
Blaster Archon is the general goto for Deldar because it's the most useful in a vacuum. Personally, I run more of a wych cult, so I actually get use out of my Succubus. All my vehicles are Cult vehicles, so they get to reroll 1s in the fight phase, which is nice. Fun story, my Voidraven was assaulted by some assmarines and killed one because of my Succ reroll, which we both thought was hilarious. Anyway, I run a blast pistol Archon because I just run him into things with my Succcubus since I'm in short supply of blasters. They do well enough.

>Sorry if these are pretty basic questions, but learning from asking always felt like the best way to learn to me
Don't be. That's a good way to learn. I used to be a tutor, and the ones who asked questions were the ones who generally improved the most.

>>55129058
5 man is 6 PL
You can see +1 there, and 6-10 man is 10 PL since there is no per model PL value.

>>55129209

Thank you anon.

>>55127424

>Remember when people used to take unnamed characters and applied a little creativity?

This hasn't been this case for at least ten years.

Fuck off with your golden age fallacy

>>55129213
Cause 40'' Advance, you want to be everywhere and you wanted to be there right now

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>want to get back in to 40k with some of the new primaris hotness
>realise my favorite chapter wouldn't be getting them in a million years

Guess I'm in the market for a new chapter

360 Points for Roboute Guilliman is reasonable.

He's competitively costed but I think that his critics just want him to be so expensive that no one can afford to take him.

Took a break that started in 2012. You know, biding my time until I got a decent paying job. Since I'm now making $5,000, I decided now is the time to get into 40k.

I buy Dark Imperium, the Space Marine Codex, the Primaris Chaplain and the Primaris Librarian. Painted them all to look like Blood Ravens. Show up at a local shop and....wasn't allowed to play because I painted my Blood Angels wrong and wasn't using Blood Angels rules. Tried to explain I was playing Blood Ravens from Dawn of War and got called a liar because the Blood Ravens don't exist. Left the store because fuck that shit.

Now that I've had time to think about it, however, I'm starting to think the shop just successfully trolled me into rage quitting before the tournament even began.

>>55129023
bumping Q

>>55129278
Who dat

>>55127424
>Maybe I'm wrong.
You are wrong. Herohammer goes back to 2nd edition. There's always been people that will make up their own characters using generic units and people that use special characters in every game.

>>55129295
Fresh, but lame, bait

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>>55129295
This sounds like a fabrication.

>>55129295
>Tried to explain I was playing Blood Ravens from Dawn of War and got called a liar because the Blood Ravens don't exist. Left the store because fuck that shit.
Page 59 of the codex battle brother. We big time now. Also, Gabe on FW website.
But yeah, I assume you got trolled, because any other option makes no sense.

>>55129295
>Things that didn't happen

>>55129327
If you meant the store, yeah. They got me. If you meant me, you overestimate my ability to tell when someone is bullshitting me.

Guardbros, now that orders go off automatically and Volkovs cane is useless, what HEIRLOOM OF CONQUEST are you most hoping makes a return?

My money's on the Emperor's Benediction. I'd love to be able to snipe out characters with Commissars again and make them more than just morale bubbles.

>>55129295

>events that never occurred

>>55129339
>>55129345
I am a gullible piece of shit who will basically believe what anyone tells me about the hobby in its current state outside of rules.

I can see how it would seem that someone who had normal brain functions could bullshit that but I am somewhere right between normal and full blown retarded. Have been since I was a kid who thought it was fun to stare at the sun.

>>55129313
Relictors, a chapter that got a bit too buddy buddy with a radical inquisitor and jumped into the deep end of the idea of using daemon weapons to fight chaos.

They had a decent string of fluff appearances back in the 3rd ed days during the third war for Armageddon and eye of terror campaign about then ignoring imperial objectives to stockpile more chaos toys, culminating in them raiding an inquisition base and getting the grey knights dropped on their heads. There were supposed to be a hundred or so left, good fodder for Your Dudes adventures

But yeah, no way they're getting the primaris touch, even as a complete rebuild.

>>55129295
Stop lying on the internet

>>55129242
My mind farted and thought it was 5 instead of 4

>>55124552
>Tau Mary Sues don't count as real characters edition
Storytime, OP? I smell some salt here.

>>55129285
It's the reroll aura that puts him over the edge, if he was just a tough beatstick it would be fine.

TAU CODEX BOYS!!!!!!

https://mega.nz/#!U59TCTwR!pn6wieY7vyAjx26TO-GPafYnNWY1HYqZYs7yB2fn-EI

>>55129410
But this isn't an issue of being gullible.
You know the Blood Ravens are a thing, you also know that you were not playing Blood Angels.

Sorry to hear that you have trouble with these things though.

>>55129433
simple, if you opponent plops down some Red, Green, or otherwise not Blue Marines - they aren't ultras and they don't get the reroll aura. I respect a guy who genuinely plays and paints ultras.

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>>55129436

>>55129436
Whoa thanks man!

>>55129442
I know they are a thing inside of the video games. I knew I was playing Blood Ravens using vanilla marine rules. That I can agree with you.

I'm not sure if gullible is the right word either. I tend to believe most things people tell me and from how the players were reacting, I assumed Blood Ravens were removed from the story due to the poor quality of Dawn of War III.

My mind takes things people say and fills in the blanks or makes them out to be worse than they were. For all I know, the people were just kidding with me and didn't mean to make me rage quit. This problem is why my girlfriend dumped me and I almost got fired.

>>55129436
:^)

>>55129436
Those are some mighty buffs! Rip tides are king again!

>>55129436
>>55129457
>>55129492
Everyone can see through your samefagging

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>>55129486

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>>55129295
>Show up at a local shop and....wasn't allowed to play because I painted my Blood Angels wrong and wasn't using Blood Angels rules. Tried to explain I was playing Blood Ravens from Dawn of War and got called a liar because the Blood Ravens don't exist.

Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.

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>>55129486
>My mind takes things people say and fills in the blanks or makes them out to be worse than they were. For all I know, the people were just kidding with me and didn't mean to make me rage quit. This problem is why my girlfriend dumped me and I almost got fired.
So you're just a cuck then?

>>55129297
I believe you could put them in the battalion, but you would lose chapter tactics and stratagems.

>>55129295
anon, please be honest with your answer:
Are you autistic?