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OI WE'Z LOOTIN DIS 'ER THRED TING

Citadel Paints
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/21/coming-soon-the-citadel-paint-system-in-your-pocket/
>Death Guard preview
http://imgur.com/a/90wRO

>Konor Campaign, Imperium in the lead, fighting back against the #RiggedSystem
https://konor.warhammer40000.com/

>GW FAQs (1.1):
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rules-Errata
>FW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/15/new-and-updated-forge-world-faqs-july16gw-homepage-post-2/

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
>Everything 8th edition in properly converted pdf & epub, fully bookmarked and linked with in-line errata annotations
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>Other Megas
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA
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>WIP Math-hammer doc (Thanks Chart-Anon!)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing
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>>55131860
Alpha Legion
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Soul Grinders can win this planet if enough of you chaos users put your backs into them and unload the daemon engines!
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First for pops
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>>55131860

WAAAGH!
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>>55131877
>7
Praise. Fucking. Nurgle.
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>Tfw my army is flamer heavy
>Tfw 8th makes flamers completely unusable
What the fuck was GW thinking? Flamers in a drop pod was the only thing tac marines were good for.
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Post dudes, post WIPs, post games.

My WIP dude(tte)s.
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>>55131837
Except though, R'Varnas are pretty AESTHETIC
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Could someone please post the space marine chapter roll chart?
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>there will never be a Tauified Dougram homage
Sad
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>>55131911
Those heads give them a shadowrun vibe
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>>55131911
Finishing up some Assault bros.
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>>55131875
real talk, soul grinders aren't that good and i got a necrospynix sitting in a corner i'll be using as a maulerfiend at some point
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>>55131927
I'm glad, chummer.
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>>55131901
Just run them as Meltas.
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How is the c-beam on chaos contemptors balanced? I can take 2 and basically use it for everything. It smokes backline units with its range and power, it smokes blobs by getting 2d6 extra hits on a unit anytime it slays a model, and it only costs 30pts
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>>55131901
>Flamers in a drop pod was the only thing tac marines were good for.

Fucking what?
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>>55131901
Tacs can charge after shooting, hit with heavy weapons on 4s instead of 6s, and transports are much tougher now, they're certainly better now.
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>>55131954
And boltguns still suck ass.
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>>55131901

> Pick up first drop pod right at the end of 7th Edition
> 8th hits
> Drop pods are three times the price they were
> 9" limit means you no longer have high risk/high reward drops right behind enemy lines
> Can no longer carry Dreadnoughts (which means they now have zero deep strike capability)
> Can no longer carry Terminators
> Can no longer carry Centurions (see Dreadnoughts)
> Not even going to bother painting it now

Holy shit, I only have one of these things, I can only imagine how much it sucks for the people who built Steel Rain armies in 7th.

Is there any unit in the game that got nerfed harder than the Drop Pod?
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>>55131942
you can never move with it and shoot in the same turn, so your opponent can charge it with chaff and negate the gun entirely.
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>>55131978
I know it doesnt count but can I say Chimera anyway? Or even Infantry Teams? I feel like alot of things are worse now if just due to redundancy
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>>55131963
Not on Sisters they don't.

>5x Storm Bolters
>5x Bolters
>30 Shots on the double-tap
>Attack twice per game
>One squad

Worth it.
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>>55131963
Wounding T7 on a 5+ doesn't suck
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>>55131978
Chaos Dreadclaws are 200pts, lost jink, and can't hold its occupants anymore. But hey, it can sort of melee but it suffers penalties after taking 2 wounds, so...
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>>55131978
eldar scatterbike windriders got fucked hard and the infamous riptides lost a lot of their bite
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>>55131978
Skyrays get to do potentially 6 Mortal Wounds before becoming a dedicated Markerlight.
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>>55131998
As a long time sisters player, I've never felt more strapped for special weapons than I do now. I thought 4 Heavy bolters, 8 meltas, 4 heavy flamers, 4 flamers, and 9 immolators would be enough forever. I think I have one stormbolter. Maybe 2 somewhere.
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>>55132002
Only being able to take 1 special and 1 heavy in a ten man squad is shit.
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>>55132034
Which they'll rarely get to do since you need to light up a target like a Christmas tree to ensure you don't miss a ton
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>>55132040
Long-time player too, but second-hander.

I have 14 Storm Bolters, 12 Flamers, 96 Bolter Sisters, 1 Multi melta, 3 melta.

No one wanted to sell their good shit when I got my 2nd-hand-girls, I guess. I didn't play them for a long time because of that.

Now I've brought them out and just spray everything down with bolt guns.

And turn-1 Seraphim+Celestine
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>>55132048
Yeeeeeup.
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>>55132045

With universal split fire tac marines are so much better.

No more having to "waste" eight useless boltgun shots on a target just so you can shoot a missile at it, for example.
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Best Chapter Tactic in the new Marine book?

Was honestly thinking Fists...because that zero-cover-save shit.

Picking a new army.
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>>55132078

Niche choice but Iron Hands get a 6+ FNP roll, which isn't the flashiest tactic but it's "always on", as opposed to the more situational ones.

Other than that, Raven Guard's -1 to hit outside of 12" is pretty fucking powerful if you're taking lots of ranged units.
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Primaris Marines were the right thing to do. The new kits are fucking sexy. I love rapid fire bolt rifles and auxiliary grenade launchers. There's no need for devastators when you can just have a one-size-fits-all weapon system in the new plasma incinerators. Inceptors make more sense in their purpose and weaponry than assault marines with jump packs. The new dread looks like it might actually be functional and it has workable legs.
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>>55132103

Regardless of how you feel about the chadmarines, the Redemptor is a fucking beast on the table. Go double cannon and spit out shitloads of dakka whenever someone is dumb/unfortunate enough to get in range.
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>>55132071

You have significantly more bolters than I do. Goddamn. I've been playing since 4th and I thought I had a lot. Oh well. I've been thinking about trying out some metal recasters because at this point, I don't want to mix resin into my all metal army for obvious reasons. I have always loved the horde of sisters, though, and I'm a little annoyed that we only get a unit of 15 now instead of 20.

I hate special characters, and the fact that Celestine is as strong as she is makes me never want to use her. However, I don't really have a choice because I haven't been able to use my canoness with jump pack since they forgot to include it in the white dwarf.
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>>55132097
Ultras; having leadership 9 (or 10 if you're within banner range) and being able to fall back and rapid fire is clearly a winner.
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>>55132097
Terminator heavy, unfortunately.
Also running Alpha Legion as primary so don't want to replicate that army.

Or am I.

What are some fluff ways to explain away the 6+ FNP? I was thinking of having them be like Black Crusaders but EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS on Sisters of Battle faith tier. Emperor Protects, etc?
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Best load out for Hellblasters? The standard incinerator looks most versatile but maybe heavy is better if I move them with Repulsor?
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I want to create a warband for my Thousand Sons, using mostly the blue color scheme with a few guys here and there with the pre-heresy colors. Leaders are very bird themed.
Suggestions for naming this warband?
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>>55132129
there is no "best" - but you can't go wrong with the standard version.
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>>55132119

Religious fanaticism blinding you to pain from a wound is an excellent way to justify a FNP roll within the lore.
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>>55132131
bird boys
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>>55132119
>What are some fluff ways to explain away the 6+ FNP?
Faith, grit, bionics, minor gene seed mutation that makes them more durable than normal
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I want to take some Custodes with my Primaris but it makes me wonder if I'd just be better off with more Primaris.
They are such a fucking beastly assault unit though.
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>>55132116
Don't mix, it isn't worth it. Honestly, you can get sisters cheaply enough on eBay if you don't fall for the meme-lists. Or try army sales/swaps. Recasters are... yeah. I bought 10 repentia caste out of fucking, I don't know, aluminum? I can't even trim their flashing without their shit bending and breaking. I'm ass mad over that.

I have Celestine purely because I -NEED- her for that powerboost you know? We really get gimped in that department. I hate Named Characters too...

But take heart; Celestine is the only named character that has any 'reason' to appear in your battles. Unlike [NAMED GUY #414], she is just a warp manifestation anyways so it really isn't a "person" per-se? I don't know, that's just how I live with it.
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>>55132097
>Raven Guard's -1 to hit outside of 12" is pretty fucking powerful if you're taking lots of ranged units.
That tactic is borderline broken. It completely fucks any type of shooting army.
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>>55131877
Late like the Death Guard release.
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>>55132152
Taufags plz go and stay go.
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>>55132150
that warp manifestation has a nice set of tits
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>>55132175
Haha. Jokes on you. I'm not a Tau fag, I'm a Guard fag!
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>>55132175
>Only Tau shoot
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>>55132155
i wonder what gw is thinking blueballing the death guard release, trying to build up hype (only to ironically kill it for nurgle) and sales for the late months?
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>>55131919
Can anyone help a brother out, I want some inspiration for a new project
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>>55132245
I particularly love how the DG miss the campaign where the DG attack Ultramar.
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Playing against leaf blower lists was not fun. I'm not really sure why some people prefer just sitting on the edge of the table and shooting or firing artillery.
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>>55132150
Ebay is a fucking joke when it comes to sisters anymore. They often charge more than GW prices and hardly ever cheaper.

I've used several recasters for my other armies, mostly CSM for HH bits, and have had very little problem, though I've not ordered sisters yet because I've seen how shitty they are. There are a few that look decent, however. We'll see. I don't know. The prices are just depressing, possibly even more so because I already have an army. I feel like I'm 1 can short of a 6 pack with my army.

As for Celestine, I never feel like I accomplished anything when I take her, but why would I take a canoness when I can take an unkillable flying murder machine with free faith? She's everything I hate about hero hammer.
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Tell me about inceptors anons

I got 9 of these guys in the mail and I'd like to build a small marine force around them for quick games. What's the best chapter tactic for them? Amy particular pros and cons?
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>>55132261
>points for painting models
>more SM models released despite DG being teased for 7 months
>not rigged
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>>55132287
>whats the best chapter tactic

Fuck you. You are the worst kind of player.
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>>55132287
Their jump packs make for great harass early game, and their concussion grenades are amazing for kiting if you have the skill to pull it off. They're not very useful mid and late game, though.
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>>55132294
To be fair they rigged it the other way when they let chaos win a planet. Still badly organized from the start, they should have given the xenos a good reason to go against the imperium
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>>55132149
The way the guy at our store plays, he has Custodes in Land Raiders, and Primaris holding objectives and staying in cover. It works nicely.
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>>55132310
Oh yeah no doubt. Chaos wins one planet and suddenly it's as if Imperials hadn't won the last 3. Pretty retarded campaign all around.
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>>55132302
Now now anon,I just want some feedback before I go looking through successor chapters. Haven't played marines yet so don't have any previous attachments.
>>55132308
Sounds good, didn't think about grenade tactics either
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>>55132287
They're devastators that come with their own drop pod and don't have any move and fire penalty when they land. That's their primary use. If they don't die after, they're attack bikes.

White Scars, Salamanders and Imperial Fists are literally the only CT that affect them.

White Scars lets them advance at 12+D6" while still shooting at a 4+, Salamanders and Imperial Fists helps their damage

Ultramarines does literally nothing for them since they have fly
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>>55132287
I had forgotten about these goofs.
Anyway, paint them as Black Templars, they really synergize
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>>55132308
>concussion grenades

u wot?
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>>55132194
She also doesn't use the same Geminae Superior every time. The Sisters pick two of their own to (implied) commit suicide to join her for a particular battle as her chosen. (See recent book.)

>>55132281
I agree with you on Hero Hammer. I could run without her but...why not? I do like her, fluff wise. I tend to avoid using her unless it is a large enough battle, which I rarely do. Though I do fucking love her model.

As for eBay... You know the penitents? Pic related. Direct from GW. $35 a pop. I go onto eBay and they are $60-120 a piece. Wanna know what is funny about this? When I got mine, a shipping error had me call them. I had ordered 3, but the warehouse only had 1.

I asked "hey just send me the one, that's cool. I really don't NEED 3 anyways right?"
>Wait a sec...
>Hey, are these just from a warehouse until you sell out or are you still casting them?
>"No we still cast them. We have 40 coming in August. I'll send you 2 more."
>K thxn

So they cast 40. 40 Penitents for the entirety of North America. Yeah not a lot of sisters I know, right?

>Ebay in August
>Suddenly 'new' looking penitents
>Go to GW website
>SOLD OUT

TLDR: eBayers buy the 'SOLD OUT' models from GW as soon as they list them on their website. Then they turn around and put the items on eBay as 'OOP'

This is why I quit using eBay for anything I don't HAVE to have and CAN NOT acquire elsewhere.
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>>55132323
i was making a joke that they are clearly influenced by starcraft's marines and the jump packs would make them reapers. I thought it was funny that blizzard and GW keep taking inspiration from/ripping off the other
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>>55132315
I do hope we get more global campaigns soon though. Flawed as this one was it's still fun, and if they fine tuned the balance it could be great. Or go back to the 13th crusade style campaign, which had it's own problems, but letting factions band together and choose targets was wonderful.
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>>55132328
Ultramarines gives access to the Scions of Gulliman stratagem, which lets you drop down and hose some fools with overcharged plasma without blowing yourself up.
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>>55132347
I didn't play that, so I fear it was lost on me
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>>55132328
White scars looks good, it'll be a footslogging force so the mobility is appreciated, especially as if I expand it'll likely be into aggressors
>>55132331
Not seeing it my man
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>>55132385
White Scars CT is more dramatic with aggressors but it works fine on inceptors
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>>55131978
>> 9" limit means you no longer have high risk/high reward drops right behind enemy lines
With inertial guidance there was never much risk.
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>>55132385
>Not seeing it my man
Paint them, and try them out. Trust me
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>>55131978
>> Can no longer carry Dreadnoughts (which means they now have zero deep strike capability)

Unless you're grey knights, baby.
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>>55131911
Still working on my warkopta and tankbustas.
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>>55131860
Are Chaos Bikers viable now? I'd really like to make pic related but I'd like to actually get some use out of them. Delivering heavy weapons into rapid-fire range perhaps?
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Why are 40k players so entitled? I am always reading complaints about the price of the hobby but no one makes people play 40k.
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Do you guys know of cheaper ways to get the new plastic assassins?

>$53 dollaridoos from geedub

I regret not having bought Execution Force.

Are resin recasters still around
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How are landspeeders in 8th? I'm thinking of getting one.

>>55132424

pic related
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>>55132414
Renegade tactics make them pretty good at crossing the board to charge
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>>55132424

People are pretty universally annoyed when the price of a product they buy is highly inflated, and bears no resemblance to the cost of the product.
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>>55132429

>I regret not having bought Execution Force

Check with flgs' in your area, one of them might still have one in stock.
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>>55132429
Try an independent, usually 10% less than GW.
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>>55132431
>How are landspeeders in 8th? I'm thinking of getting one.

They're finally just bigger, faster attack bikes. They get 4 attacks each in melee and its great.
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>>55131877
>77
Yaaaaay!
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>>55132429
i mean, if you dont want any of the other stuff in there and buy it just for the assassins, it costs the same
each assassin is 25 €eurobucks
assassinorum at local is 100€eurobucks

well unless there's a discount I guess
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>>55132390
So are bolter aggressors objectively better than flamer aggressors? Seems that way to me.

Either one with veil of time look like a real hassle for any melee based horde.
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>>55132342

>I agree with you on Hero Hammer. I could run without her but...why not?
I started using her in 5th edition with the WD because you were actively crippling yourself for now taking her. Back then, she was 125pts with infinity respawns and cost less than a canoness with any amount of gear. After that, I decided to go Celestine-free all through 6th/7th edition and won far more than I lost.

>I do like her, fluff wise. I tend to avoid using her unless it is a large enough battle, which I rarely do.
I like her fluff, too, but I just get autistic about herohammer. I remember the days when characters couldn't be taken under 1500pts AND they needed special permission to use. If I wanted every game to be about [Named character] vs [Named Character], I would play warmachine.

There are 3 characters I would play, though:
Celestine because she is the only special thing we have
The Changeling because the old metal model is possibly my favorite model
Tyberos because murder mittens and he's legit the only carcharodon left.

>Though I do fucking love her model.
I haven't bought her new one yet because I haven't found anyone to split the box with, and its not worth buying separate on ebay to me.

>As for eBay
For a long time, people were trying to sell immolators for like $120+ not realizing that you could buy an exorcist and get a full immolator. Ebay is such a cancerous place for sisters because of people trying to scalp shit. This isn't MtG.
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>>55132414
I'm considering a fast attack detachment of renegade bikers and an exalted champ with a fist to rip and tear.
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>>55132460
>Immolator Exorcist
If I wasn't broke, I'd of done this but... I got lucky. I ended up with a 2nd Edition Whirlwind, 2nd Edition Immolator, and 2x 2dn Edition Rhinos for cheap. I've been tempted to use them for my sisters for variety purposes.

>Characters
Jacob is pretty cool. Shotgun priest and all.
>Read that he is dead by this period

Can't field him. The one named character I'd have no problems with is dead. I like my army being "current."

>Tyberos
Also this.
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>>55132457
I think they're way more flexible although the flamer ones are funny
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What's the general consensus on playing Plaguebearers as Poxwalkers or Poxwalkers as Plaguebearers as long as the weapons are accurate and they're painted Nurgle-esque green instead of pink?
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>>55132447

I want to get a bunch of Storms and Shotty scouts for when I eventually kick off my Carcharodon army. I'm thinking three of each should be plenty. Hopefully by then, plastic MKV will exist.
mfw HH is dead as fuck because FW is retarded so we'll never get another HH set, especially with Primaris killing any chances of new classic Marines
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what's the go to chaos anti tank? 5 havocs with autocannons or lascannons doesn't hit hard enough (to be fair i'm comparing them to the triple predators using the killshot) but my 4 guys more often then not don't do much
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>>55132476
>read that he's dead in this period

Is that official fluff or is that some tard saying that a normal human can't survive the 100 year timeskip in 40k? Because they can
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how many rubrics/scarabs is a general average for a 2000 point Tsons army, assuming I'm not running more than horrors for summoned daemons, don't want to use tzaangors, and I'm using Magnus/Ahriman?
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>>55132460
Not him, but as some one else that doesn't much care for special character spam it's weird that two of your exceptions (Celestine and changeling) are two of mine too, along with the Phoenix lords; I guess because they're all easy to rationalize as showing up for any old random battle on behalf of their faction and because death isn't that big a deal for any of them either
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>>55132486
10 Slannesh plasma termies with a lord and prescience will kill 4 rhino chassis per turn on average.
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>>55132482
Wouldn't bother me any
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Where were you when you realized you had an addiction

(I've only played two games this year)
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>>55132487
>After Solstice, Jacobus managed to convert another six planets before dying of a lung-destroying virus on the Death World of Gorang.

2E Sister's Codex.

Until they say otherwise, he is dead as a doornail. I can't bring myself to use a dead character. It is weird I know, warp dickery and all is a good excuse.
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>>55132483
but we just got new HH stuff like a week ago
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>>55132515
I'm talking plastic boxed set ala Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero.
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>>55132510
I'll answer you but it'll cost you that top mini shelf there
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Anyone got CCON's email? I'm trying to order some Elysians but these fucktards over at /r/yoyhammer hold onto emails like blood diamonds
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>>55132497
ya know, i just happen to be casting plasma guns while looking at 5 chaos terminators i never used much and i have the dark vengeance deathwing hanging around unloved

time to sculpt some tentacles, bandages, faces, speakers and other slaanesh stuff
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>>55132515
But no one plays it anymore, so what's the point.
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>>55132527
Yes
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>>55132519
I'll bet you we're gonna get a big ass box set of the Siege of Terra with the Emps himself in it when the HH story comes to an end
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>>55132525
Ok deal
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>>55132533
Anon, at the rate FW puts out books, the actual siege of terra might be happening by the time the book comes out.
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>>55132071
>>55132116

Damn I envy you two. I'm just starting my Sisters and it's busting my balls. Guess I can't help being new to the hobby or liking what I like, but damn getting my army going is a bitch.
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>>55131978
For me the steel rain was the iconic Marine army. I had 4 pods and was going to grab 3 more. I've kept one and sold off the rest because they are shit now. All of my flamer units are shit now because they can't get the alpha on another unit and flamers are trash compared to what they were.

Drop down, get 10 hits per flamer with my command squad of 4 flamers and roast an entire 30 unit of guants or orks

8th killed my list
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>>55132528
>it has tits

Fucking hell what kind of mongoloid made this?
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>>55132540
Chuckled.

>Emperor purchases all the box sets and hoards them in the Imperial Dungeon
>Horus is just salty that he didn't get to pre-order his 30,000 years in advance
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>>55132528

Fuck. People good at Greenstuff make me want to quit the hobby because I will never be able to do that shit.
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>>55132547

Why are drop pods shit now anon? I don't play marines, and neither do any of the guys I play with, so I wouldn't know, but I would have assumed the ability to deliver your troops anywhere within 9 of the enemy with absolute precision would be pretty good.
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>>55132537
welp, around the time when I bought basically a new army when I've already not finished 3 others

you got chinacast or original minis? I'll get the new Custosed termies once they come out but I just might get em off chinamen
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>>55132561
They're expensive as balls, units inside can't deploy within 9" of an enemy, and half your army has to start on the table.
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>>55132561
>90pts each

They can be good situationally, but generally they are way too expensive for much use
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So. Tons-of-Marines dude here. Gonna try the 'your dudes' route.

Decided to actually use the Marine Chapter generator because I like random things. It gives me something to work with in telling a story.

>Purity, roll a 10: Flawed
>Flaw, roll a 10: Chapter Cult

Oh fuck. I'm trying to be loyal as fuck here. What sort of excuses... Chapter Cult of Dedication to the Emperor...is...that isn't...that can't be a flaw can it? Fuck. In before I worship a Janus-Emperor or something and have ties to Alpha Legion.
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>>55132554
just keep trying, my stuff isn't so great but it's decent. i've been casting stuff from wax in bottlecaps. the molds don't hold well but it's cheap and effective for what i want. if you want something easy and simple to do try stripes, tentacles, hair, and gap filling.

>>55132551
google leads me to many places, some strange and some sexy
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>>55132530
Care to share friendo?
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>>55132572
At least they're 200 like pic related.
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>>55132590
GW loyalist here, if you share I will report for my reward marine boxes.
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>>55132575
Could be that they worship the emperor in different aspect, like how the ad mech venerate the emperor as the omnissiah

This could easily lead to heresy, but doesn't necessarily have to

Or they could just have some very unappealing ritual, like the flesh eaters or angels sanguine

This could also lead to heresy
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>>55132594
Not 200*
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>>55132131
Cult of the Raven God.
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>>55132528
> Boobs
I know this is slaanesh marine you are making but still...
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>>55132540
Cyraxus never
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>>55132599

Dont worry I like GeeDub too but FW is highway robbery
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>>55132629
The death of their lead writer must have fucked up their schedule hard.
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If the Emperor died is his spirit not powerful enough to stave off Chaos long enough for him to just reincarnate?
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>>55132510
Are you Knight Anon?!
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>>55132649
he's only 90% dead, his spirit is bound to his body and the spirits of the shamans in death is making him crazy
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>>55132653
Who dat?
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>>55132649
No. He dies and then he is toast.
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>>55132649

The moment he dies chaos opens huge warp portals directly on Terra and destroy the planet.

This is why the Tyranids keep heading toward Terra, the Emperor is intentionally calling them there. Once they arrive their Shadow over the Warp will allow the Emperor to die but block chaos from opening portals into realspace from the immaterium. The Emperor can then reincarnate and destroy the Tyranid hive fleets, and launch a second great unification across the galaxy.

source: my ass
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>>55132668
A Horus Heresy player over on /hhg/

Your bottom shelf looks similar to his "Imperial Fists" who look exactly like Iron Warriors

I used to stand up for him a lot because he attracted an awful lot of shite
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>>55132510
I did the math today, and I've spent about $2000 AUD on 40k stuff over the last 2-3 months. Time to focus on painting and playing for a little while.
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>>55132686

That's actually kind of genius.
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>>55132663
But anon, we've been told that The Emperor is just an immortal super-asshole who struck a deal with the Chaosgods, so basically a Chaoslord by himself. No "Final gift to the race I failed", no "I can't bring myself to kill my beloved son, even after all his deeds", no "I will guide humanity out of the darkness and into an age of reason", for in the grim darkness of the far future, there are only daddy issues and assholery
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>>55132649
If he dies then his best son takes mantle, with Ynnead's backup he would equally powerful as father.
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>>55132649
When he dies the amount of worship directed towards him coupled with his own power will create a warp entity that will dwarf the chaos gods.

But he's trapped on the throne and no one is willing to euthanize him, so he's stuck.

Source: fanfiction
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>>55132708
>No "Final gift to the race I failed"

The Grey Knights are called the Emperor's last gift in 8th ED, you racist fuck. And it's stated that while he does not love men, he loves mankind.
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>>55132694
those were the good old days. I feel like the same guy that gave me shit on HHG is the same guy that autist screeches about guard players on this one now. I miss 30k, I hope it gets FAQed/new rulebooked soon.
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>>55132721

You guys can still play it can't you? I mean all of you're books and minis are still good. I'm not a marine player so i never gave a shit, but if you guys like it why not just keep doing it?
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>>55132721
I just had to get out after Inferno came out

SW and TS are the worst
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>>55132646

apparently FoC is waiting on Codices SM, AM, and Tau to be out first

>>55132649

>what is starchild
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>>55132510
This. This is when I realized. Not shown is a shitload of recast to go with the HH stuff, my Fantasy/AoS stuff, and my Warmachine stuff. There might be others I'm forgetting, too. This is also just the unassembled stuff.

It's never enough
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>>55132708
fuck you ADB, get off my Russian wax sculptor IRC server
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>>55132737
I made a loyalist special snowflake TS force of primaris and mk3 dudes and I'm holding out til TS/Custodes get the nerf they deserve. remember when we were convinced they spent over a year playtesting Inferno?
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>>55132718
Oh shit, has Carnac branched out? Okay, okay, it's all gonna be fine. Big daddy Abaddon will effortlessly destroy the Emperor and the galaxy and the Chaosgods and bring total enlightenment to the galaxy with his hellish superfriends. Feeling better now?
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>>55132743
what kind of thought process makes you buy 3 boxed games full of oldmarines
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>>55132717

I like the concept of the Emperor trying to die so he can be reborn but no one will let him and he's just been waiting to die for the last 10,000 years.
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>>55132708
But anon...

The Emperor created the "current" Chaos Gods.


No think about it. All the current Gods, except Slaanesh being fucked into existence by Eldar, were brought into creation during major periods of human antiquity. Every single event described (ie: plagues, etc) are post-Emperor. It's also been proven the Emperor will establish 'evil' things for the sake of gaining advantages (the dragon.)

I'm not saying Chaos is the creation of the Emperor but let me propose this theory.

>Chaos Gods of old are decimated in war
>Chaos itself is without form and direction, is just the Primordial Annihilator
>Shamans sense this evil and the power of humans to essentially create millions of dangerous gods
>Shamans become Emperor
>Emperor directs humanity to a series of events to 'collect' the chaos powers into individual Gods
>Individual Gods are easier to manipulate in the coming future
>Plan going well
>Technology at its peak
>Psykers 'suddenly show up' across the species (Emperor is a master geneticist & psyker remember?)
>Psykers suddenly bring about human-fucking-event
>Old Night happens as well, Emperor's plans get a little fucked by this, Eldar screwed things up
>Gets plan back on track by coming out as the Emperor and reunifying everyone etc. as we know

IF you think my idea is "stupid" then I ask you this. Why did the Emperor put "The Dragon" on Mars in ~1000 AD if he didn't plan to have a machine rebellion bring about a machine cult? A machine rebellion that (likely) was brought on by chaos.
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>>55132731
Different anon, but after 8th dropped, my group couldn't even get through a single game of HH because 7th is shit. The game was only good because 40k was so bad.
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>>55132748
I do. Then the scans came.

Such a mess.

I get that it's basically a historical war game, but that community has the most anal, difficult, OCD people to talk to

I made a couple of Death Guard lists and the first one they refused to critique because it had "too many tanks for death guard" and then the other they said was dogshit because it had too many marines - the exact thing they said I HAD to do with it for it to become fluffy - and whined that it wouldn't be competitive enough

I just wanted to have my little men
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>>55132528
How do you do the armour trim? I'm planning on chaosifying some aggressors and I could do with a method.
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>>55132749
Not an argument. Open your Grey Knight codex.
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>>55132761
A) these were bought long before nuMarines
B) I paid a total of $125 for the Calths
C) I play CSM so fuck nuMarines
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>>55132777
I just wanted to play marines without formation spam basically limiting a "competitive" army to those stupid battle demi company things with hundreds of free points. so glad they removed those from 40k.

I'll be honest I miss vehicle armor facings though.
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>>55132777
>Trips of Nurgle

Anyway, try bring a NL player and expecting anything constructive out of HHG. That is my pain.
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>>55132786
my point being what in god's name do you need that many marines for in the first place you donut
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>>55132711
yfw ynnead is slaanesh all along
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New Deathwatch codex when? Primaris flyer when?

I want Primaris Deathwatch (pic-related, not my model), and the Repulsor is too slow.
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>>55132786
>B) I paid a total of $125 for the Calths

Holy shit how?

I'd love to pick up some more mk3 dudes for my 40k army.
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>>55132814
Because 30k marines are worth less than they are in 40k, and you regularly see 20 man tac squads
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>>55132821
Then Guilliman will kill Fulgrim as new chosen champion and assume command of Ultra Children.
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>>55132603
>>55132575

Decided on "Friendly" and "Enemy" to be 1+D6-D6 to randomly generate more than one friend or enemy. Makes sense to me at least.

>2 Friends
>Ecclesiarchy & Rogue Trader

>6 Enemies
>6
ALL THE FUCKING HATRED IN THE GALAXY.
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>>55132825
Looks a bit like he glued that inquisition symbol onto his leg, otherwise it looks pretty dope
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>>55132622
Quite simple but I'm actually really liking this over some of the fancy names I've tried thinking of, thank you anon.
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>>55132848
I just rolled three 1s.

Why does the Imperium hate me. Fuck you dice. Fuck you.
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>>55132845
>night lords
>moody blue

>>55132783
not mine but i think it's done like making stripes of green stuff
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>>55132860
You know who doesn't hate you, friend?
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>>55132870
Go away Nurgle.
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>>55132845
Sals and Dangels look identical?
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>>55132718
Literally which part of that post is racist lol
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>>55132814
Seemed like a good idea at the time, plus 30k is generally a larger scale game like that other dude said. Ultimately, I'm going to make 20 of them raptors (pic related prototype), my MkIIIs are going to be chosen, and an arbitrary amount of Mkivs will be havocs or troops because I feel like that's what Night Lords would do. However, I've become addicted to my 10 man termie squad, and that's just a huge 500pt chunk of my army.

>>55132834
I'm friend with one of the LGS owners around here. He had a Calth that wasn't selling and sold it to me for $85. Then I ran a painting event for him and got $50 credit, which I then used to buy the other one neither of us realized he had just sitting in the window.

I think I got 30% off Prospero from my current LGS, though.
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>>55132879
Ultramarines still have number Three on chapter banner, Emperor's Children were Thirteenth.
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>>55132883
His prejudice against Chaos.
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>>55132860
speaking of rolling 1s
I once rolled some 8 or so 1s in a row when trying to fight a biker with my last surviving stormtrooper
they fought for like 4 turns and were both still standing when the game ended
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>>55132877
No Nurgle here anon
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>>55132897
>chaos is a race
Makes me think
Are they the niggers of 40k or the spics?
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i know it's the wrong thread but im looking for the pdf version of the AoS path to glory book. anyone have a link?
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>>55131901
Why are you so bad? Needed a shit fag tactic to do anything and now you're fucked.
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>>55132931

Go to the AoS general then.
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>>55132944
sounds like someone played hordes
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>>55132945
i thought it might have been SORT of obvious that the only reason i was asking here was because i couldnt find the aos general. cheers though
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>>55132889
neat-o
do you just collect or do you actually have a playable army outside of the boxpile?
Termies you apparently do have atleast
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>>55132429
Said people have a choice. It's not life essential.

I don't mind the price as I get good return on investment with time, enjoyment and use.
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Are burning chariots better than skull cannons? They're cheaper and yet seem flat out superior.
>better save, more wounds, more melee attacks, arguably superior main weapon, can fire its main weapon as a lascannon or heavy flamer pistol, faster
But
>t5 to the cannons t7, only 18" range on a heavy weapon, can cause a few mortal wounds
Other than that, it seems flat out inferior.
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>>55132954
>too dumb to use to search function
Typical AoS player!
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>>55132985
yes, burning chariots are amazing
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>>55132985
The 18" range and t5 are both pretty big deals, buy yeah over all the burning chariot is better. Of course a herald on a burning chariot with an exalted flamer on foot is better still
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>Lorgar and the Word Bearers spent the remaining years of the Great Crusade attempting to enlighten humanity about the true spiritual nature of Creation, ultimately resorting to manipulation and deception to sway nine of the Primarchs to the cause of Chaos as their Gods demanded, the most notable being the Warmaster Horus.

>Having corrupted fully half of the Space Marine Legions to the service of Chaos, Horus then led them against the Emperor and plunged the fledgling galactic empire into a colossal civil war

Is there anything that goes into depth on how they were actually corrupted? Why were the Primarchs so easy to sway?

obviously total wh40k newfag here
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>>55132985
Anything with exalted flamers is the new WAAC spam list.
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>>55131978

>Buy huge 15 strong Kromlech mega-armour force to make a Deffwing a few months before 8th hits
>8th hits
>Meganobz nerfed into uselessness

Well thanks a lot GW.
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>>55133006
well to give you an annoying answer- the horus heresy book series has separate books for each primarch detailing, for example, what they were up to during the heresy or how they ended up joining
Like Fulgrim who found a xenos sword and his corruption started from there
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>>55132021
>eldar scatterbike
I want them to become bs 4+ to fuck the WAAC faggots that got them and I want to see their faces when their glued scatter laser becomes bs 5+ when they move.
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Will we see any Death Guard stuff from the NOVA open?
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>>55132078

Salamanders. Nothing else comes close. Every squad getting something that normally costs 2 CP per turn. That's insanely good.
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>>55133039
GW did imply they will be showing off stuff at NOVA. So likely DG models on show at minimum
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>>55133018
Kromlech heads are so comical though
stretched out sad faces
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>>55133031
This is a fair answer, knew there was a series called Horus Heresy but I didn't realize it covered that, thought it was more a 3rd person overview of the whole thing. Thanks m8
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>>55132908
The Irish
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>>55133048

Which is why I requested 15 of the enclosed heads instead.
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>>55133033
>"I want to unbalance the game as payback"

GW's "Who Not to Listen too" 101
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>>55133055
I haven't read all of the books but the ones I did follow a set of characters and what they're going through, an example set would be like
-The Primarch of the book's legion
-A Captain of some company from said legion
-some other supporting characters, in Fulgrim there was an artist and some other snobs, in The First Heretic I think there were like archaeologists or something along those lines..?
it's been a while
I think there are more general books as well
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>>55132113
I'd rather use a Repulsor honestly. May use a Redeptor and put two gun arms on and use it as a Leviathan.
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>>55132964
Oh definitely, though a lot of my dudes are in states sub assembly waiting to be primed or painted if they're already printed, and I have actually put together a large chunk of the deldar, about 1500pts worth. However, painting deldar is a fucking nightmare, and this is coming from a person who play night lords and actually paints lightning on everything (pic related), so I'm kind of in limbo there.

For my night lords, I could easily do more than 2000 points with what I have mostly assembled, which is mostly infantry. Like, I own zero dinobots/preds, and I feel like I don't have room for what I want at 2000pts.

I also have 2500pts of sisters mostly painted because they were my first, and some mediumish pile of tzeentch daemons I bought in 5th.
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>>55133033
>revenge nerfs
Lol
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>>55132131
Cult Amalgamid
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>>55133018
>3 str 10 ap-3 dam D3 attacks, on a T4 2+ 3W frame , who can all buy combi-heavy flamers, or a pair of chainfists, are useless

Have a hot OC reaction image for (you)r trouble
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>>55133087
Nice work Anon
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1000 pts
Sorcerer
3 x 20man CSM squads

Too much? or Too little?
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>>55133112
What legion?
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>>55133117
Renegade
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>>55133112
drop the size of the squads and grab a dark apostle or you're going to lose a shit load of troops to battleshock
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>>55133099

>54 ppm
>Movement 4, no invul means they need either a transport or dedicated Da Jump weirdboy.
>New transport exploding rules hurts them hard, all Ork transports are overcosted
>Hits on 4's

They're garbage.
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>>55133071
Fucking potatoniggers
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>>55133112
I think it would be funny and catch people off guard. If you have the models, I'd dump one for a huge cultist blob you can respawn. You'll also want a second HQ to get +3CP since you have 3 troops.

>>55133128
CSM can get 10 Ld solo with just an unmarked icon.
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>>55133112
What's your battle plan?
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>>55133144

Fuck you, you smarmy cunt.
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>>55133148
Your first point was the other reason I recommended a second HQ, I figured dark apostle would be best for the leadership bonus and rerolling failed hit rolls.
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Since the last week of konor is about LOW units - what are good strategies to take down Guilliman/Magnus/Imperial knights?
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>>55132718
>And it's stated that while he does not love men,

The Dank Angels do though
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>>55133137
welp maybe once the codex comes out eventually they'll get better
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>>55133165
Lascannons.
Those first two aren't LOW though
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>>55133148
I don't have 30 cultists sadly. There is a cultist assault box in the store, but I kinda want to have better looking soldiers for my cultists.

>>55133153
Waddle fast, waddle hard. Get some cardio into some Tau.
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>>55133187
they 100% are, Anon
take a closer look at the books
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>>55132045
>what are combi-weapons?
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Looking to build a solid but fluffy list.
How does this look?

2k points

Battalion Detachment

HQ
Commissar Yarrick [130pts]

Company Commander [30pts]

Troops
45x Conscript [135pts]

Militarum Tempestus Scions [72pts]
3x Meltagun

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 62pts]
3x Plasma gun

Elites
Veterans [116pts]
3x Meltagun
Lascannon

Veterans [101pts]
3x Plasma Gun
Lascannon

Dedicated Transport [312pts]
Chimera [102pts]
Heavy Flamer Multi-laser

Chimera [102pts]
Heavy Flamer Multi-laser

Taurox Prime [108pts]
Taurox Gatling Cannon Two Autocannons

Spearhead Detachment

HQ
Knight Commander Pask Punisher [ 257pts]
Lascannon Multi-meltas

Heavy Support [781pts]
Leman Russ Battle Tank [11 PL, 178pts]
Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolters

Leman Russ Battle Tank [11 PL, 178pts]
Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolters

Leman Russ Demolisher [223pts]
Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamers

Leman Russ Executioner [202pts]
Lascannon, Plasma Cannons
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>>55133137
Invuns dont matter; only a hand full of weapons are better than -3, which is what you would need to use a 5++.
Orks get the battle wagon, which whilst expensive, can actually do crazy shit in CC thanks to a deff roller ( you DID buy a deff rolla right anon?).
if you thought they were good in 7th (ID, AP 2 spam, >I3 etc) and they are crap now, then you need to start asking question about what you think is good.
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>>55133165
Lascannons, Autocannons, Melta, Krak missiles, and Arquebus
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>>55133165
I ran the math the other day, if he got the charge a World Eater Lord of Khorne with a Bolt Pistol and Murder Sword should be able to take Bobby G from full health to zero in a single turn assuming average rolls and use of the Daemon Bolt stratagem. If you roll badly he probably won't survive the counter attack though, and there is a 50% Bobby gets back up anyway.
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ok so with combat squads rule, does that mean I can take 2 tac squads of multi-melta + melta-gun and put 2 sergeants, 2 Multi-meltas, 2 melta-guns, and 4 regular marines in a drop pod and then deploy the remaining two squads of 5 normal marines elsewhere on the board? or am I breaking a rule somewhere?

pic attached just so people look at my post
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>>55132554
It's taken me years to get where I am. If I quit at some point I'd never have been able to make my own minis.
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>>55133164
How does the Apostle work with an Icon? Do they add 1 to the apostle's Ld? But yea, and apostle would be decent, especially with the +1Ld bubble trait.

>>55133190
That's a shame. Check ebay if you want. I got really lucky with mine and ended up with like 50 for about as many dollars.
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>>55133190
>Waddle fast, waddle hard. Get some cardio into some Tau.
I'd diversify a bit. A helbrute with fist + scourge would be a fun thing to move and advance, warptime, move and advance then charge with. Bikers would be good too. And as previously mentioned, a swapping a squad for a blob of cultists would let you use their stratagem for effectively even more dudes. Another hq would be good, probably a lord as you're going to be rolling lots of dice and rerolls just get better that way.
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>>55133208

That crazy stuff in CC on the BW comes in at a cool 180 points, all on a 4+ save chassis. Every game I've used them the enemy has been able to focus them down extremely quickly.

Invuls on a squad that expensive very much matter, especially when they don't have a buffer of high wounds like say, Killa Kans do.

Running them in 7th meant using the Bully Boyz formation, which gave them all +1 WS, Fear and Fearless, which, combined with really cheap transports, meant you could just blitz across the board. Sure, if they brought tons of AP2 you just fell apart, but that's the same for regular Deathwing. Now the transports are too expensive, they're not Fearless anymore unless they're within 6" of a big Boyz mob and weapons they used to largely ignore like Heavy Flamers are now quite dangerous to go against. Hell, the Painboy nerf also means they don't have that easy access to 5+ FNP.

The army was by no means great in 7th (no Ork list was great in 7th) but MANZ were the go-to Ork assault unit in 7th, and Bullyboyz was the best formation we had. MANZ now are virtually unplayable by comparison.
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How well could a dark eldar 'horde army' work?
Rakarth and some other haemonculus leading a footslogging army of wracks supported by talos and cronos engines
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>>55133241
Man, I've tried doing Greenstuff. I'll paint lightning for days, but I am just horrendous when it comes to sculpting. Good on you for being able to stick with it, though. I wish I had the motivation, but that is another kettle of fish.
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>>55133241
looks fucking stupendous, im mad jelly
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>>55132103
>The new kits are fucking lazy, unimaginative and look like they were designed by committee

FTFY
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>>55133248
Apostle allows you to use his LD (of 9) rather than the squad's. Also, he allows re-roll of all hits (I can't remember if that's just in the fight phase or in general) both of those abilities are within 6 inches, but if you paint them as Word Bearers you can get that up to 9inches.
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>>55133274
If you're going to Horde deldar, go with Kabalites. They're cheap, quick, and surprisingly durable thanks to a 5+/6+++. Plus, they can actually plink away at things from more than 8" away.
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>>55133296
I'm just saying, the icon of vengeance gives +1Ld to the squad how does that interact with the Apostle? If it doesn't, then the apostle actually hinders their Leadership.
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>>55133274
Okay I suspect, but not great. T5 a d power from pain is good but you're still looking at low armor saves for your infantry, as well as little shooting. Better off with slightly less dudes but transports to get them into combat sooner, as well as for fire support.
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>>55133306
>Icon of Vengeance +1 leadership
in that case you actually need the apostle to get to 10.
CSM are 7 by default, Aspiring Champion is 8. If Dark Apostle brings that whole squad up to 9 then IoV brings them up to 10.
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>>55132482
Fine with me as long as you only have one or the other in your army.
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>>55133224
Yes.
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>>55133199
>Militarum Tempestus Scions [72pts]
>3x Meltagun
>
>Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 62pts]
>3x Plasma gun


scions need 10 models to to get more than 2 specials and gvien you didnt give a number and said they are only 72 points i dont think you have that many
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>>55133241
>>55132554
And three years prior to my first whole model sculpts, I was simply doing greenstuffing for conversion work. If I could teach myself, you can do it too.

>>55133280
>>55133277
Thanks, it really does take a lot of time and patience to sculpt a model piece by piece, layer by layer.
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>>55133364
Just mistyped there. They both have only 2.
Thanks for the notice.
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>>55133224
I think that's legal, combat squads says the split happens before any models are deployed.
The main rulebook says that you declare what units are inside a transport the moment you set it up which is after the squads are split.

Clever tactic, be sure to get your explanation straight or people might give you shit for it
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Is taking the warp bolter on the daemon prince worth it?

What exactly does a warp bolter look like?
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>>55133048
>he doesn't want his orks to have an expression like they've just been punched out harder than Apollo Creed
Fair enough 2bh
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>>55133394
Bolter, but finecast.

On a serious note, no. Daemon princes are too melee rapey to waste guns on it.
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>>55133394
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>>55133410
>bolter but finecast
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>>55132113
I put 3 nurglings in front of that bitch boy and after all shots were resolved, I only lost one wound. His rolls were average.
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>>55133367

I don't have the, hrm what's the best way to put it. Shit like that requires at least some degree of passion, of which I am incapable.
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That unit ability
Treat 1 and 2 on d6 damage rolls as 3 will probably crop up as a CT for someone
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>when the packaged you ordered a full two (2) months ago finally arrives
It's like an orgasmic sigh of relief. Closure has never felt this good.
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>>55133367
I REALLY want to get good at sculpting blobby nurgle daemons.

Going to be trying to make my own "gigantic chaos spawn " in the form of a face oozing out of the base. I already ordered a 100mm base, doll eyes, and acrylic teeth.

Wish me luck guys
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>>55133373
the other thing is conscripts come in batches of 10 so you cant have 45

i also dont like the heavy flamer demolisher because they are so expensive right now and you need to be in melta range to do anything with them
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>>55133467
Weapons that roll for shots, roll twice and pick the better number. Another possibility. Both shooty and for things with some randomness so maybe Admech/Tau CTs
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>>55131978
>high risk/high reward drops

Surely you jest, drop pods were never anything less than low risk/high reward
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>>55133410
It's an assault 2 gun with some -1ap and 2 damage it's fine while your daemon prince is moving his way into melee or just before charging.
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>>55132721
Nice Iron Warriors :^)
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>>55133481
Would it not be best to practice making little nurglings and squigs and shit first?
>acrylic teeth
I don't even
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>>55133410
It's 9 points for 24" Assault 2 S4 AP-1 D2. Considering a Daemon Prince is BS2+ with a reroll there is literally no reason not to give him a warp bolter.
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What's the best chapter tactic for when your chapter loves tanks and 'splosions
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>>55133546
Black Templars
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>>55133546
None of them really benefit tanks, but salamanders would help with devastator based explosions
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>>55133440
You just got to find a source of passion.

For me, it was sculpting stuff that really embody what I want my models to be. Like this hordes trollkin that has gotten backstabbed by one of my Legion of Everblight, Nephilim Soldiers.
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Just bought a Talons of the Emperor box to start up an Imperium army. How should I expand from there? I would like to get Celestine in the future but other than that I'm lost.
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>>55132845
DA, Sallies, and WE.
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It seems that the Imperium will win this weeks planet. How does make you feel guys?
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>>55133586
depends on wheter you want lots of guys, medium amount of guys or just a few guys
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>>55133591
Apathy because I stopped caring about Konor weeks ago.
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>>55133591
DEUS VULT
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>>55133591
L O Y A L E D
O
Y
A
L
E
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Alright boyos, new White Dwarf just arrived. Anything you want to know?
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So just how freelancer-y are Rogue Traders? Do they really care at all about the rules of the imperium or are they closer to Ultrasmurfs in their anal strictness to DA ROOLZ?
Would it be realistic for a Rogue Trader to trick a band of Freeboota Orks into doing his bidding to further either his own goals or those of the Imperium?
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>>55133586
Are you planning on building into marines or imperial guard, or just staying general imperium?

In any case, take an eversor or two
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>>55133633
>Anything you want to know?
If you have a U shaped pipe filled with a liquid, with the liquid oscillating between the two arms, does the density of the liquid impact the speed of oscillation?
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>>55133633
Post the battle report.
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>>55133651
Maybe.
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>>55133648
>Would it be realistic for a Rogue Trader to trick a band of Freeboota Orks into doing his bidding to further either his own goals or those of the Imperium?
Yeah, easily. Go to the 40k rpg thread and read the rogue trader books
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>>55133655
There are two, Ultramarines vs Chaos and Crimson Fists vs Orks. Which one?
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>>55133669
yes
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>>55133539
Well I've done a Herald of nurgle, as well as plenty of pustoles and warped skin.

I'll post the end result in a week or two, keep your eyes open!
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>>55133669
how about both but start with the ultra one because the crimson one will show the results of the ultras
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>>55133503
Conscripts only come in 10 man batches when using power. They're 20-50 otherwise.
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>>55133591
>50/50 split
>imperium will win
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>>55132879
So do WE, according to that chart.
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>>55133679
>>55133685
It's in german tho
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>>55133620
Already have a necron army so not too many but I would like to include sisters if they ever update the models.

>>55133650
I actually find the SM chapters kinda bland but the rest of the Imperium pretty cool to look at.
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>>55133727
Also, I guess I can't into rotating the picture. Feel free to do it yourselves.
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>>55133727
Kann ich mit Leben, Bruder-Sergeant
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>>55133580
See, that's awesome. However, depression is a bitch. I literally have no passion. Instead, I have varying stages of obsession amongst crippling guilt for not actually getting anything done during bouts of apathy.
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>>55133737
>>55133738
Freut mich, mein Bruder-anon.
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>>55133738
And an allahu akbar to you too my dear islamic friend
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>>55133749
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>>55133648
Trick? Anon, a RT would happily do business with such gentlemen, assuming he could pay whatever fee they required. As long as it isn't blatantly Chaos, a Rogue Trader can pretty much do as he likes.
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>>55133757
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>>55133757
>>55133749
>>55133737
>>55133727
>Europeans by stuff in their bastard tongues instead of English
>the fools don't understand that 40K can only be enjoyed and understood in English
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>>55133766
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>>55133769
Stop being so islamophobic anon, let our dear middle eastern friends have their fun.
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>>55133775
>Ultramarines Primaris Marines with red bands
rofl that's not gonna last
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>>55133769
I absolutely do. I pirate all my books in english as german names were stupid as hell and german translators can't into ruletexts.
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>>55133775

>>55133769
Yeh, feck off uf our language m8y, dun need no stinkin' no non-english speakin no!
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Tried to make a fun Custodes and Sisters of Silence list. Would you play this? The Canoness' and Vindicare are SoS conversions and to maintain the theme.
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>>55133786

>>55133779
Well it's the whatever company they're in.
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>>55133793
That's not how batallion detachments work you retard
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>>55133801
Will Lord of Skulls-kun win against Guiliman-sama? Find out in this episode of UM vs Crimson Slaughter!
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>>55133811
Are you retarded? They all share the Imperium keyword. The entire force has 3 HQ, 3 Troops, 5 Elites, and 2 Heavy Support.

Literally how Battlescribe writes it out.
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>>55133816
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>>55133793
Not quite how detachments work, but otherwise should be fun. To be honest Sisters of Silence aren't that great, but use them if you like them. The Custodes and Contemptors should all pull their weight. I'd swap the Vindicare for an Eversor.
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>>55133830
>>55133811
just battlescribe being fucky with multiple factions.
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>>55133824
Well then, I'll go and eat something. Maybe post the other one later.
Also, Imperium wins, shockingly.
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>>55133830
It's just how Battlescribe writes it. They all fall under one detachment but it separates them by book/army.
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>>55131913
Almost perfect but the asymmetric engines killed it for me
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>>55133834
>>55133839
Oh, I see now.
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So I want to add some Custodes to my list but they don't have an HQ and losing a CP sucks. Should I just chuck them into a patrol with a Primaris Psyker?
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>>55133823
>>55133834
Then don't use Crappleshite in the future then, retard.
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>>55133863
>Literally made because he was wrong

W E W

>>55133857
Sure! You don't need to change anything and can just add them into your list if you have the Imperium keyword.
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>>55133872
>Literally so shitter shattered that he isn't able to spell the word "mad" correctly
Absolutely hilarious. What's it like being so american that you can't even use pen and paper and a calculator to write out your lists?
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How does this sound as a fluff for a snowflake OC chapter sound; just kicking around an idea really.

You know how the Minotaurs have their close asssociation with the High Lords, and there are other nominally independent Chapters that have ties to groups like the Ad Mech, Ecclesiarchy or Inquisition? I was thinking of a Chapter that has a working relationship with the Officio Assassinorum. Nothing as formal or overt as the Chapters mentioned above, but periodically the Chapter Master gets coded requests to perform military actions in certain sectors against certain targets; these actions happen to make it easier for an assassin to reach their target (by diverting defenses, causing distractions, drawing commanders into the open etc). In return, periodically the Chapter finds itself with "unrequested" auxiliary sniper assistance, or that the enemy backline has been torn to pieces by unknown assailants.

Basically I like Marines and Assassins, and while I know I don't NEED a reason to field them together, the concept appealed to me.
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>>55133857
Inquisitors are fun to run them with too.
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>>55133894
But pretty expensive. The custards alone eat up a fifth of my power level.
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>>55133885
>They took the fucking bait

Holy shit you were dumb enough to do it. You just added a new level to your buttmad
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>>55133885
holy shit are you new
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>>55133910
>thov was merely jesting as one of a lovver mental capacity
Predictable
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>>55133885
>>55133910
Lets not do this friends, lets talk about our favourite plastic army mans instead
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>>55133918
So you're autistic now too?

Cool vibrations.
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>>55133920
Can you imagine a fucking space marine making "Whooosh" noises like that?

My sides are gone.
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>>55133920
But anon, baiting asshurt mathematically illiterate burgers is fun. And we're at bump limit anyways.
>>55133923
Not autistic enough to be unable to do simple math without an automated program for retards fortunately. Can't say the same about you though.
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>>55133936
>Can you imagine a fucking space marine making "Whooosh" noises like that?
They gotta make up for that lost childhood somehow
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>>55133938
You have a lot of assumptions, especially since battlescribe is literally used for making fast lists.

It will shit out lists that are very legible unless you happen to be RETARDED.
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>>55133947
>unless you happen to be RETARDED
>multiple (ie. more than one, plural) people called out your shitty formatting at the same time
>the problem isn't me, it's you!
Is this how you dealt with girls in school who rejected you too?
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>>55133962
Not even the same anon you think it is.

Good try m8. I'm sure you noticed more people said it was fine and now you actively look even dumber engaging the guy you're failing to belittle.
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>>55133972
Try speaking some proper english american. No one can understand your 52% babble.
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>>55133923
IWANNADANCE
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Post cool Chapters that deserve more screen time
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>>55133989
Bless you.
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>>55133990
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>>55133986
God; you need to stop. You are embarrassing yourself.
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>>55134006
I'd say the same but your country is doing it for you so it'd be rather hard for me to blame you.
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How would you run these guys, or any Ultima Founding Chapter based on Blood Angels/Dark Angles/Space Wolves?

Run them using the Index, or the Codex and just use "close enough" Chapter Tactics?
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>>55133920
He looks like he's wearing a little ladybird costume.
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>>55134012
You are quite possibly the dumbest 19 year old I've seen on this board in a long time
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>>55133727
>German

Oy veyyyyyyyy
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>>55134084
American pls, stop projecting. Go back to fighting wars for Israel.
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>>55133920
>Space Marines never actually interact with Imperial kids and show them that there is hope beyond a life of work and death
Fuck
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>>55134090
>implying germany isn't kosher heaven today
Just ask Martin Schultz. You're 80 years late.
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>>55134097
>Implying I'm not a Britbong
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>>55134130
Oh I'm sorry, instead of fighting wars for Israel you're prepping the bull for Mummy May. Good job.
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>>55134138
>Furher Merkelfag not prepping the Islamic bull for her
kek, this is priceless
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>>55134138
This is really sad.

You are being goaded by multiple people and looking really pathetic

.
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>>55134147
You think I'm a globalist EUcuck? Merkel can go get raped by somalis. Comparing her to Hitler is insulting someone who actually helped his country's economy rather than ruin it with enrichment.
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>>55134153
Shut up, starting bantering or get out. No one cares about you anymore burger.
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>>55134163
>he lost his cool

HAH
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>>55134147
Shouldn't you be eating 'british' kebab right now?
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>>55134107
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>>55134107
They do, best chapter at least.
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>>55134187
Would you prefer I call you a berger then? Or does mockery of your """"education system"""" sound more apt?
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>>55134217
>He still thinks I'm American
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>>55134220
t. 52% and dropping
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>>55134211
I'm still mad that Ward's faggotry has fostered so much Ultrahate. They're one of the few chapters that actually and genuinely give a shit and are borderline noblebright, which is unusual in 40k. They've been this way since 5ever, but nobody looks past the Wardian fangaying.

Salamanders, Blood Angels and Ultramarines will always be my favorite chapters for this reason.
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>>55134228
>noble bright
>not salamanders
>argent shroud are not marines, but still more noble bright than ultras
What?
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>>55133920
>plays SoB
>not men
>not plastic
You asshole
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>>55134246
>>noble bright
>>not salamanders
Sorry what are you trying to say here
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>>55134252
Um sweetie, trannies aren't women
>inb4 banned because mistaken for shitsters fag
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When are Orks going to get their "Primaris" upgrade, and what do you think it'll be?
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>>55134228
I liked them a lot more in the 2nd/3rd era days when they were the generic, everyman Marines who happened to have a pretty decently governed system of planets under their rule. Nothing more, nothing less.
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>>55134268
Obviously, Primaris Orks will look like this.
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>>55134228
There is also that short story about a krieger which is quite noblebright too. Also Lamenters are much more noblebright than blood angels themselves.
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>>55134268
Octarius System Orks. Its that easy, fluffwise. Tyranids would get the same benefit.
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>>55134228
>They're one of the few chapters that actually and genuinely give a shit and are borderline noblebright

Theres a few actually, but a lot of them are only minor pieces of fluff. I'll have to go through and make a proper list sometim.e
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>>55134268
I can't wait until we get our Ouuurk IronGobs, a unit of Ouuurk IronGob HellLead Blasters are just what my army needs!
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Do I run FW Mortarion instead of the silly, busy GW model?
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>>55134290
I can't imagine what those Orks look like after fighting 24/7 against the Tyranids for so damn long. I know Ghazzy is on his way there, but if they really grew and got huge from fighting all the time wouldn't a warboss from there be able to krump even Ghazzy himself?
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>>55134317
nah
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>>55134317
No.
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>>55134319
Oviusly Ghazzy krumps dat git.
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>>55132248
Do you mean this broski ?
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>>55134333
I know Ghazghkull is big and strong, but could he possibly beat Orks that might be close to Beast level?
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>>55131860
After looking at the Chaos Dex, I kinda want to do Alpha Legion. Never giving Slay the Warlord (well, rarely giving it) plus the other bonuses looks really good.

If I just paint regular marines or HH marines without spikes I can also use them with the Loyalist book. If anyone asks what chapter I can make shit up.
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>>55134344
Of course. He's the next Beast.
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>>55134358
But he's nothing next to the Beast. He got bested by a Commissar. I really don't see him as Beast material unless he gets a big upgrade in power somehow soon.
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>>55134344

The Beast was not only stronger than normal Orks, but was significantly smarter. Not only that, but he was capable of making other Orks smarter as well (to the point that he had Ork ambassadors that even peacefully stepped foot on Terra).

There is a lot more to being Beast level than being big and strong.
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>>55134369
That's true, I guess, but while Ghazzy is smarter than the average Ork considerably, I just don't see him asserting himself as the boss of Orks like that right now.
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>>55134282
I'm almost certain this is a JoJo reference
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>>55134380
He's been in Octarius and eventually left because he got bored so it's not like he's not buffed himself there. I reckon he still needs to go a bit out of the way to become Beast-Like. "annexing" the arch-arsonist empire to his waagh would be a pretty solid move all the while stomping the shit out of humans eldar t'au and whatnot
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>>55134268
>GW finally releases new ork stuff
>its all primork stuff
>truescale Orks similar to Primaris
>suddenly ork players need to buy hundreds of new models
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>>55134396
>USING MA' STAND,「 DA CHOPPY KLAW」, O'LL FINALY DESTROY YOU, GULLIMAN!
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>>55134420
I'd really hope the Primaris Orks would be Nob replacements and not boy replacements.
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>>55134420
you can keep your back pain gorilla butt ork boyz if you want m8.

In all honesty, I do hope just for new models instead of new units with new models as they did with primaris.
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>>55134424
His stand would obviously be 「 KILL THE ORCS 」https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gCgluVD0Aw
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>>55131860
Need some help dealing with boyspam as an imperiumbro.
My marines just can't output enough dakka to get the job done, and a squad of 20+ boys is basically a deleting waiting to happen.
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>>55134436
>new models
>not new units that are arbitrarily better than all the models you own so you're only hindering yourself by not buying 5 boxes
It's like you don't even know GW
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>>55134450
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>>55134335
Theres one with numbers 01-00 assigned for rolling purposes, I felt like seeing what Chapter fate would hand me, but thats a big help too, thanks my man!
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>>55134456
But that didn't happen with primaris
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>>55134282
>>55134288
WAAAAGHHHYAAYAAYAAYEEEEEE
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>>55134449
I mean, If we pay close attention, we'll notice that the pose the Orc is pulling is one of Joseph's.

So maybe the Klaw acts as a type of Hamon amplifier, or maybe the Klaw is just a cooler version of hermit purple?

Either way, I miss Hamon, and I miss Young Joseph.
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>itt: retarded animefags make all jojo fans look like drooling idiots
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>>55134478
Me and pops finished watching SC a week ago
Literally the first thing he did after the finale was change his facebook profile image to pic related
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>>55134461
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>>55134509
you're a good person anon and probably very attractive

lets see who I get
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>>55134466
Mostly because GW is retarded and do not understand their own rules.

For example a 6++ on a 3+ model is utterly pointless in this edition. Unless you are facing nothing but AP-4 there is little reason for that 6++ to exist.
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>>55134110
Well according to that same guy and several of his buddies, it's not kosher enough until all Germans are dead.
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>>55134548
Or maybe they didn't want to make them better but just a different tactical choice?
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>>55134547
Arrgh. I like the Angels Encarmine but I already painted up 1000points of Crimson Talons which are the same shade of red.

Rerolling! >>55134509
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>>55134559
At the rate our semitic friends are going they will be soon.
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>>55134548
There comes a time where you gotta stop naysaying. If Primaris were OP people would complain, if they're not it must be because of incompetency?
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>>55134509
I will roll as well.
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>>55134569
Cool, White Consuls it is. I suck at white but it'll be good practice.
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>>55134576
SoB are ridiculously by accident not by design.
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>>55133274
That would be a dream army of mine but I know it would just be complete shit and the loss after loss would just make me regret getting the army.
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>>55134591
I don't think it'd be all bad; a Raider or two and maybe a unit of Scourges for fire support would make it perfectly viable and still fluffy.

Its just as purely footslogging Wracks there is zero offensive presence until they close with the enemy.
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>>55134509
Gimme something good
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Is my math wrong or are Assault Bolter Inceptors 60 points a head? Its not that bad when you compare them pricewise to two heavy bolter Devastators, but its more than I realised.
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>>55134584
As a long time sob player, can confirm
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>>55134282
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>>55134509
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>>55134509
roll
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>>55134509
roll
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>>55134681
>wanted raptors
>got raven guard
close enough right?
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>>55134321
>>55134327
Why?
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>>55134458
Flaners on marines suck IMO:
You get to pay extra for a BS you don't use, and unless you wanna play "charge the aggressors" there's no unit able to Output enough
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>>55134779
Flamers in general are shit. They either need to move 10"+ on their own and/or have 12" range or more to be effective
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>>55134751
Too different.
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Hey guys, in the Know No Fear box set where are the Inceptor flight stands? I can't seem to find them.
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>>55134942
GW are generally pretty good about replacing missing/broken parts, send them an email if your box doesn't have the flight stands.
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Which army has the best potential for horror?
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>>55134953
I'm just wondering if they weren't in a little packet of their own or whether they were supposed to be mixed in with the bases; wouldn't be the first time I've accidentally thrown a piece out.

Worst case scenario I have plenty of small jetbike flight stands that should work at least
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>>55135044
daemons
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>>55135044
genestealer cults
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>>55135044

Haemonculus Covens
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Would Cypher, fluff wise, be able to get his hands on a Imperial/Renegade Knight or convince one to fight for him?

I wanna add 500pts to my Fallen list and I'm lacking armour of some sorts. I'm open to other suggestions as well.
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>>55135149
Theres enough Rogue Knights out there that its certainly possible.
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>>55135044
Easy fag solution would be chaos.
Proper horror would be doing it with church stuff.
Death Cult Assasssins, Penitent Engines, Arco-Flaggelants, "Penitent psykers", Repentias, etc etc
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>>55131860
Ere' we go!
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>>55134449
>3IOB

Ah, another gentleman of refined taste.

Help, anons: I want to get back into Necrons, but I'm balls-deep into Tyranids to run alongside my GSC. I'm batch-painting 5 Carnifexes--how do I stay on-mission with my Cult when they're done?
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I bought farseer skyrunner to start my craftworlds, how does that list look? I kinda want to do an army like that since I like models and I was told serpent is really good.
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>>55135268
I think you might have an issue in that the Wraithguard and Fire Dragons all really want that Wave Serpent ride and you've only got one.
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>>55131932
How are Maulerfiends in this edition? I still got one fiend unassembled and unpainted. Wondering if i should turn it into a forge or mauler version.
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Reposting on the chance you dudes know something too

>Help me /WIP/.
I've got a couple dozen 25mm models to rebase now that I've found the amazing world of texture paint. I've got the supplies, I've got the new bases, I'm just having trouble getting them off of the old ones. A few snap off.easy but the last couple have either had me mangle the feet with a knife or stop at the risk of snapping a leg. Is there any good trick to removing an already painted model from a plastic base without ruining it?
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>>55135395
why do you need to remove them from base?
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>>55135395
If they're superglued freeze them, the cold makes the glue brittle.
If not try using a pin vise to drill under their feet, should remove the bulk of the glue without mangling it.
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>>55135395
Debonder
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>>55135462
I used the lazy ass "dip in basing" method and five minutes with Blackfire Earth shows me how much better I could do.
>>55135468
That won't make the rest of the model fragile though, will it?
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>>55135495
fair enough, i would say just run a stanley knife over the base and try and force is between the models feet and the base. You may end up taking a small amount of the foot of the model off but its gonna be pretty easily hidden by the textured paints at any rate
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>>55135535
Use a knife and not a hobby blade. Why? Because the blade could snap while the knife won't.
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>>55135333
never forgefiend
Why? hits on 4s, becomes 5s if you shuffle
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>>55135333
Pretty good, not greta, but certainly worth it. If you can convert it into a Blood Slaughterer of Khorn.
the forgefeind on the other hand is HOT FUCKING GARBADGE
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I was out of the country for few months and now I'm seriously out of the loop?
Primarch figures, big marines, nurgle?
I live near Warhammer World and I popped in the day after I got back and saw all this new stuff. Can someone explain to me what's going on? I've been away since last November
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>>55135551
stanley knives are cheap and much thinner meaning you have a better chance of seperating the model from the base without damaging the model
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>>55135333
They're a bit hurt by the fact that they don't benefit from most Legion Traits and stuff I think. On the plus side, they're Daemons so they get benefits from Heralds and their powers.
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>>55135607
Bobby G put a pillow over E's face and held it down until his brothers popped up
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>>55132825
Deathwatch can take Primaris now.
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>>55135607
Short version

The Eldar half finished their God of the Dead Ynnead, who's main servant helped wake up Roboute Guilliman. Bobby G (who has had some amusing culture shock to deal with, like his feelings on servitor babies) revealed a plan he'd put in motion before being stuck on ice, with a hidden tech priest with access to the geneseed stocks for the last 10,000 years creating Primaris Marines; Marines with a few extra glands basically. (For the record, they're actually struck a decent balance with them in game, where they tend to fill niches and specialise rather than outright replacing the normal Marines). Time has skipped forward about 100 years; the Eye of Terror has expanded to cut a rift in the centre of the Galaxy amongst other things, and the current big event is a Nurgle led Chaos horde attacking Ultramar and mostly losing
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>>55135730
Also Cadia blew up.
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>>55135749
By crashing a Blackstone fortress into it.
Why did Abaddon forgot the planet killer or didn't use the BSF he has to blow up the sun of Cadia is beyond me
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>>55135749
Yeah, that too, Cadia broke before the Guard did
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>>55135778
Because he wanted to conquer it, he could have just flown passed but his pride stopped him.

The BSF got blown up before it could be used.
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>>55135781
Don't forget Graia. Where the Skitarii broke before the Guard did.
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>>55135891
Didn't he have like 5 of those? Like the entire point of the Gothic war
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Why are boarding actions still a thing in 40k? Can't a boarding craft be easily shot down by defensive turrets?
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>>55135905
>The Gothic War was Abaddon's Black Crusade to capture and activate the six Blackstone Fortresses. He succeeded in taking three, but was defeated by the combined might of the Imperium and the Eldar. The Imperial Navy and Angels of Redemption tried to recapture one of the Fortresses, however it self-destructed, along with the three still in the Imperium's hands. The remaining two retreated with Abaddon back into the Eye of Terror. [1b]
These two would reappear, 800 years later, supporting Typhus and his Plaguefleet in Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade. They would later split up, each sent to reinforce the attacks on Cadia and Kasr Partox.[2] The Blackstone assaulting Cadia, the Will of Eternity, nearly destroyed the planet but was itself crippled by the Phalanx after a Space Wolves boarding party disabled its shields. The debris of the Will of Eternity was later redirected into Cadia by Abaddon, which shattered the planet.[4]
At some point, Abaddon gifted one of the Blackstone Fortresses to Huron Blackheart. This Fortress was later used to house the reborn Primarch Roboute Guilliman and his followers when they were captured during the Terran Crusade. It became the site of fierce fighting when Cypher and Sylandri Veilwalker freed Guilliman and his men.[5]
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>>55135932
>Boarding craft

Anon, they shoot boarding torpedoes at each other.
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>>55132323
It's more the fact that you're asking what is "best" rather than what fits your lore the best, you inbred. Also I'm not that guy.
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>>55135894
Or left, or died standing, or magically vanished into a warp rift in preparation for being divided into many smaller Skitarii for the 7e codex. We really don't know. Maybe they liked the Orks so much they joined in as a huge number of DiggaMegaNobz?
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>>55135932
basically this >>55135963
Forge World even has a drop pod specifically designed for it that is quite literally a boarding torpedo, it gets fired at the ship, sticks to it, breaches the hull, and the only reason it even works is because the acceleration and sudden stop aren't lethal to astartes.
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>>55135932
>blast small region with macro cannons to knock out defencive grid
>fill boarding torpedos with murder servitors
>fire 50 at one spot
WELCOME TO THE IMPERIUM YOUNG MAN
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>>55135945
How the fuck did a random warband leader get a Blackstone fortress?
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>>55135932
Because there won't be many defensive turrets left after the void shields are down and the ship already suffered some hits.
Also 40k space battles have nothing to do with logic, efficiency, or realism. The way they are described makes it appear like they're almost exactly like naval battles back when ships were still made of wood where tactics are concerned.
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>>55136020
Abaddon gave it to him.
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>>55135044
Chaos and Genestealers would be easy money, but I always thought a full Penitent Army would work better for that. Penitent Engines, Arco-flagellants, daemonhosts, Repentia.

Dark Eldar Haemonculi are also pretty sweet, and Admech can make a pretty decent fist out of it with all their horrific servitors and Thallax-class bots (pic related).

You know the one time we've seen DarkMech ships in action (Xana II) they're basically huge robotic squids like the Reapers from Mass Effect who impale enemy ships with tentacles and board them with hordes of Ursarax and Thallax and whatever else they have like venom. Fucking awesome, they owned the Imperial fleet until a DaoT stealth warship from the vaults of Terra blew their orbital platforms up and forced them to pull back to the planet.
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>>55136041
Why? Did he gave the best blowjobs or something?
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>>55136032
Actually 40k space Battle are done at really long ranges. The ones in Battle fleet gothic are consider knife fights.
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>>55135970
>rather than what fits your lore the best, you inbred
>clearly states hasn't played marines, has no lore yet
There there, no need to get upset anon
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>>55136009
>>55136032
But then wouldn't it be more effective to just keep shooting macro-canons at it?

If you board a ship, specially with marines, you can't shoot it anymore without killing your guys.
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>>55136020
Huron is supposed to be a big deal

He's not, but he's supposed to be.
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>>55136082
Yeah but in a space fight ships wont be at the same height as each other and most 40k ships don't have belly weapons.
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>>55136148
Usually they happen in orbit. So there is a clear up and down.

In open space the fight is way more chaotic.
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>>55136163
Okay but answer this >>55136119

Why board a ship when you can just shoot it. Specially xenos/chaos ships of no use to the imperium and with no important information to capture.
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>>55136119
>can't shoot it anymore without killing your guys.
Your dudes are in vac suits and can survive open vacuum. You keep shooting.
Not to destroy, but to incapacitate. So after the fight you'll have TWO ships
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>>55136119
Unless you want to get some of the shit off the ship, or it has better guns that you, or you are already damaged.
there are a whole bunch of resons you dont just want to nuke thir ship
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>>55136209
They want to capture it or something on it.

Plus sometimes it's easier to blow it up from the inside.
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>>55136209
With chaos usually the boarding happens to sabotage systems to diminish functions in order to keep shooting it.
Remember ships in 40k are big and they actually make sense by accident since you need in theory a rather big thing to properly have space guns.
With Xenos the same principle applies. Cripple it hard to you can shoot it down more easily

Even against chaos you can capture the ship after since they are still imperial tech. If they are too corrupted blow it up anyways
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>>55136209
>Specially xenos/chaos ships of no use to the imperium and with no important information to capture.

What are Space Hulks?
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Still playing Space Marine. Was going to ask what warband I'm fighting since they have an old FW death guard feel to them but the colors don't ring any bells. I wasn't even convinced they were DG at first but I'm 99% sure I just saw two Blight Drones fly past me.
/Why is this game so good with so much love put in it?/
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>>55136269
Not the things you green texted
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>>55136213
Your weapons fire will still kill them, and retreaving them will be a waste of time and resources. And marines have no use for ork/nid/eldar/tainted chaos ships as far as I know.

>>55136242
So you admit it is a directly inferior tactic to shooting?

>>55136257
How can space marines with bolters, berzerkers with chainaxes or just a bunch of screaming ork boys blow up a ship from the inside? Even if they just kill the crew it will take forever.
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>>55134509
rollins
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>>55136301
It's a big mix of units. They are a Cjaos Undivided group called the Chosen of Nemeroth.

>>55136328
Overload the engines and other critical shit.
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>>55136328
>How can space marines with bolters, berzerkers with chainaxes or just a bunch of screaming ork boys blow up a ship from the inside?

You know they can carry bombs for this specific purpose right
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>>55136328
Battle for the Abyss involves this scenario. The Ultramarines use detonators and bombs on the inside and attach them to generators and critical parts of the Furious Abyss to blow it up from the inside.
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>>55136347
1) How?

2) That doesn't even make sense, you can't "overload" an engine.

>>55136350
What kind of bombs?
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>>55136347
>They are a Cjaos Undivided group called the Chosen of Nemeroth.
That's really cool shit. Nice to see dudes other than Abadobobo get in on jolly cooperation.
I'll just say one more time that I'm blown the fuck away they bothered to remember and model greater Bloat Drones in this game.
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>>55136307
>Not the things you green texted
>Space Hulks have many times been used as a means of transport by certain unsophisticated factions. The Orks, the Genestealers, and even Chaos Space Marine renegades use them occasionally to invade other worlds
>Orks, Genestealers, and Chaos Space Marines
>Xenos, xenos, and chaos

Hmmm... you're right. Space Hulks are CLEARLY not Xenos/Chaos ships.
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>>55136383
How did they even manage that. The Furious Abyss was carrying thousands of Word Bearers, fucking smurf plot armor.
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>>55136328
Most space marines in boarding actions come equipped with melta bombs, which they use to destry key structual/engineering assets of the ship, like the engines/shields/weapons. Also, most boarding actions are completed by more specialist forces, like Terminators with chainfists, who definently have the equipment to sabotage a ship.
Alternatively, you can do what the GK love to do, namely just teleport right onto the bridge and slaughter the command crew, leaving the rest of the ship helpless and oblivious as too what is going on / what they should be doing. That makes it relatively easy for your own ships to destroy them, as they have no retaliation potential.

As for orks, a single mekboy can craft a makeshift bomb from a bunch of scrap they might find on the ship, just attatch to reactor and BOOOOOM.

Please think through these things before asking them. If forces are sent on boarding missions, they will be properly equipped for their mission.
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>>55136328
>And marines have no use for ork/nid/eldar/tainted chaos ships as far as I know.
Capture Objective X
Rescue Person Y
Hunt for STC Fragment Z
Turn off the Necron's "Not!Death Star"'s shield so the Navy can blow it up.
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>>55136392
You can when it's a warp engine.
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>>55136392
>What kind of bombs?
Some kind of Melta-charges I guess, thats what they use in the fluff when they set bombs in the heart of things like the World Engine
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>>55136406
a space hulk is not a ship though. I think that is what the other anon meant
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page 10, new thread?
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>>55136415
Plus a Space Yiff
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>>55136442
>a space hulk is not a ship
A Space Hulk is an amalgamation of warp trash and wrecked ships.

But can still serves the functions of a ship.
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>>55136444
Whenever you feel like it, bub.
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>>55136392
>That doesn't even make sense, you can't "overload" an engine
Yes you can, you nobrain.
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>>55133651
Of course as the medium is one of the most important parts of determining wave speed and thus how much the pipe will rock back and forth
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