/STG/ - Star Trek General

For STG in the OP, wouldn't it be good to include a link to the Living Campaign stuff since it has an editable character and ship sheet? Also, does the Core PDF have any watermarking or could anyone throw theirs on MEGA without worry?

>>55104238
Modi are watching the threads and reporting links when they're posted, not just here but across the web. If you got links to ongoing games and such, feel free to post em. Might as well have something in that empty spot.

>>55104380
Well the Living Campaign stuff is something they themselves link, so it couldn't hurt to link that. If/when I do get a game going I'll certainly post it here instead of the Gamefinder threads.

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Semi-regular question time!

Best and/or worst cases of Vulcan wank?

Personally, I consider pic related one of the best, if only because it goes "Yeah, Vulcans respect Surak's teachings, but they're not all weird about it like Sarek and T'pau are"

>>55106242
Anyone else annoyed about Toms "interest" in history that happened to be 20th Century American popculture. Atleast Sisko had other hobbies along his baseball enthusiasm.

>>55106480
I know someone who seems to have only one interest and that is football. Nothing else, just football. Name a year and they can name every single team, who won what award, what changes if any were made to the game, etc. Ask them what their anniversary is to their wife and he locks up and can't remember. Seriously, guy has been married 20 years and can't remember a major detail it seems from everyday life but football.

Tom Paris liking 20 Century American popculture at least gives him a lot to look into at least since 1901 and 2000 are wildly different and such.

>>55106480
Tom is stupider than Sisko, and that's okay. Tom is a self-styled expert in 20th century Earth history but proves that he doesn't know when the Cold War ended. He claims that playing Captain Proton is research into 20th century culture, but he can't learn anything from Captain Proton that he doesn't already know because HE WROTE THE FUCKING THING. These things are amusing and tell you a lot about his character.

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I wanted to get some feedback on possibly adding a holodeck to a Nova-class vessel for a STA campaign. I chose to remove the Officer's Mess since I feel that sort of thing is never really shown in the shows and limits how the Officers interact with the normal rank and file. To accommodate this change I had the ship go through a computer refit, which you'll see in the next post.

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>>55107428
And here's the ship's sheet, assuming I did everything properly.

>>55107428
>>55107439
Seems fine but square it off for fucks sake.

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>>55107630
Better?

>>55107806
Yes. Sorry, it just seemed so, so weird seeing it in any other shape.

>>55107439
Looks alright, but I believe that the ST:A rulebook indicates that you're supposed to have a total of four Talents on all ships, meaning it needs to pick one more. I might suggest Improved Warp Drive, which makes a lot of sense for an explorer.

>>55107428
I have a hard time believing that it has NO holodecks. Unless Ransom specifically said that in the episode (which I don't recall, but mem alpha and my other sources don't say anything about that), I don't think that Starfleet would send out a ship of its vintage (newer than a Galaxy) for its mission profile (stare at a planet/nebula for months) without some sort of R&R room, like a holodeck. The ship did have an EMH, so it makes little sense to not also have a holodeck.

>>55108205
If I read page 253 right, it's a number of talents equal to the ship's scale. Which in this instance is three.

>>55108219
I mean you're not wrong. Best I can tell the reason no sources, official or otherwise, include a holodeck is because of the ship's size. I'd give it an EMH too, but that's a specific talent in ST:A, of which there's no room for at the moment.

I'm thinking of putting together a game of ST:A for my PnP buddies but it will be my first one ever as a DM. What advice would you guys give me as fresh blood and do you have any maps for a Trek setting?
I've been a player in multiple games btw. D&D 3e, 3.5, 5e, AFMBE, Pathfinder, Feng Shui 2, Star Wars RPG, Deadlands, and CoC

>>55109006
Oh we also play on Roll20 just FYI. We've been playing as a group since 2012

>>55109006
From the few campaigns I've seen streamed and in reading through the Core, I wouldn't be too worried about finding maps. Most of it seems to be theater of the mind. If you want actual ship deckplans there's a few out there for most ship classes. Otherwise you'd probably be able to repurpose some D&D maps for away missions.

Also I'll parrot some advice given to me last thread:
* Don't let your players get away with murderhoboing. They're supposed to be Starfleet
* There's a lot of focus on the narrative and RP between characters. Be prepared for that.
* Don't expect your players to be able to spout perfect solutions to any problem like in the show. If what they come up with sounds appropriately Trekkie, let them roll for it.

>>55109044
I'm 90% sure the player sheet is available in roll20, but I haven't yet used it myself.

>>55109006
What kinda maps are you thinking of?

>>55109081
Well considering most of the show is generic rocky plain in california I don't think away mission maps are gonna be hard to come across. Really anything like a cityscape or an alien civ

What would it take to get you guys interested in another sci-fi series tabletop game?

So what's the difference between the regular book and collectors edition? Apart from the cover art and free map, what else do I get for my 15 britbucks?

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>>55109128
Oh maps for combat and stuff, not space areas. Am not sure if the game actually uses them.

>>55109319
It also comes with three ribbons to help mark your place. That's all that's listed on the site.

>>55109347
You could get away with using generic starmaps. Or, if you're lucky, you might be able to steal maps from Star Trek Armada 1/2.

>>55109347
Hmmm I didn't know that

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>>55109347
There is this, you know. Not the best but it is workable at least.

>>55108294
I think you can have an EMH without the talent, it just costs crew support to use them in a mission.

>>55109198
Depends on the series. If the series is good, the game is good (even a 3.5 modern rip off would work), and there's somebody to run it with friends to play it with then I'd be down.

>>55108294
Right, I forgot that the errata changed that to elsewhere. You're right about the talents. Fucked up on that one, sorry mate. Your Nova looks good.

>>55109493
Meaning that the talent lets you use them for free? I mean I'm not reading anything that says you couldn't do it that way (i.e. costing crew support)

>>55101809
>It's a biomimetic compound. BIOmimetic.
That's just what EMH said after like an afternoon of analysis. Silver Blood does what it fucking wants.

>>55109398
>federation is treated as monolithic blob
>still fucking tiny
At least third-party writers get the scale right.

>>55111550

The actual Federation spans a distance of 8,000 LY. I don't know why everyone who makes maps for it can't be assed to show the proper volume.

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As promised...

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/87613/star-trek-adventures-arcadia

This will be a brand new Star Trek Adventures campaign running Sundays starting at 4pm EDT (GMT-4).It will be set vaguely within the setting outlined by the official Living Campaign. The first few sessions will utilize the pre-prepared adventures just to get everyone (including myself) acclimated to the system. After that, though, the Shackleton Expanse is your playground!

Your vessel is the USS Arcadia, a recently-refitted *Nova-class.* The year is 2371, a mere week after the USS Voyager has gone missing. All player characters will be new transfers to the Arcadia. More details to come if you're accepted into the campaign!

OH.MY.GOD
http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/Shatnerverse
I cannot wait to read these.

>>55112038
That could mean as little as 1 bumfuck planet is a Fed member. Aren't there groups in the Delta or Gamma quadrants that are allies/protected/members of the Fed too?

>>55112120
The Return is actually a legitimately good send off in a way. It does make Kirk overpowered as shit in a couple of fights, but he's hopped up on BORG NANOMACHINES SON. Plus it's got a great power trio rides again sequence at the end that's really good too. The rest though? It's wankery of the highest order, though Starfleet keeping a revived Kirk around as a trouble shooter for any super bizarre shit that just needs to die is a neat idea.

>>55112038
I'll grant it sucks having all the action take place within 1-200 lightyears of Sol, but 8k? Really? Even half that was be a tremendous improvement.

That means it would take +2 years to travel from one side to the other.

>Q Who
Data: [...] we have traveled 7000 lightyears, and are located near the system J25.
Riker: Travel time to the nearest starbase.
Data: At maximum warp in 2 years, 7 months, 3 days, 18 hours we would reach starbase 185.

>>55112179
>"Sir! Time-travelling superhumans with modified Borg tech and hopped up on Rhuludian crystals smuggled in by Ferengi traders have started attacking Betazed."
>"God dammit... Alright, thaw out Kirk. Goddam it, how many fucked up things can happen at once?"
>"Sir, more reports coming from Tellar Prime."
>"What now?"
>"Sir, the Tellarians want you to know you're a limp-dicked, slack-jawed buffoon."
>"Huh. Best report I've heard all day. Ensign! Get Kirk up before I start an interstellar incident. Again!"

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>>55112179

>The Return
>good

I really can't agree anon. Though, I guess anything is better than Generations, but that's not exactly a compliment.

>>55112305
Are there two Defiantd fighting those D7 Class Klingon battle cruisers? Meaning they shunted back in time some, what? 50-100 years?

Why are the other Fed vessels even fighting? Each Defiant could take down several of those Klingon ships with relative ease if knowledge serves.

>>55112305
I said a good send off. The novel is almost pure "Kirk is a total badass who can be hip deep in pussy without caring" wank, but it's sad in its own way for Kirk to see Bones and Spock having aged a few decades without him, but he's going to die first due to the plot.

>>55112353
They're Defiants as if they were built in the era, not 2370s Defiants.

>>55112366

But the Defiant was only built as a response to the Borg, there were no existential threats to the entire Federation in TOS era like that posed by the Borg or the Dominion

>>55112516
That's the point. It's an ill fitting ship, the modeler just wanted it.

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>>55112534
I just threw up a little in my mouth.

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>>55112627

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>>55112534
>>55112652

>>55112534
I bet it had less issues than the original defiant. O'Brien kept going on about how the engines were too powerful for a hull that small.

>>55112671
>the load-bearing structure of a feddie ship is its hull
Explains why they keep exploding.

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>>55112670
There is also this one.

>>55112754
Just use a Miranda at that point.

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>>55112516

If it makes you feel better, you can write it off as the Star Fleet Universe, rather than prime canon. They don't have the license for anything beyond TOS, so a TOS-ified Defiant would probably be okay.

Pic related will give some anons an aneurysm.

>>55112754
Amazingly, this is even worse than >>55112534. Seriously, just build a Miranda or something.

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>>55112793
Not really, it's most of the way towards the OG Anton class already, though its secondary hull is closer to the Miranda class.

>>55112793
>TOS'd Miranda

I hates it.

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>>55112917

I get that, but there's onscreen evidence to support the notion. Is it possible Reliant just has the same NCC number of another ship from twenty years earlier? Sure. But I reserve the right to doubt.

I would prefer a TOS-ified Miranda with a TOS rollbar and photon module.

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This one doesn't look too bad.

>>55109398
>Sol isn't the center of the map
Terrible

>>55113001
Alternative: Miranda was already built to look like the TMP ship style and was just there anyway. There's only a bare few years between TMP and that episode.

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>>55113250

Depends. TMP takes place sometime in the 2270s. The exact year varies between sources. Decker's line in the movie suggests it takes place in 2271, but in VOY we have an onscreen confirmation that the 5 year mission ended in 2270, meaning TMP took place in 2272 or 2273.

Minimum, it's four years ("Court Martial" takes place in 2267), more than enough time for a refit to have occurred between 2267 and 2271. At most, it's a difference of six years.

At the very furthest end of the spectrum, WoK takes place in 2285. That's a difference of eighteen years. More than enough time for a TOS Miranda class to have been refitted, seeing as how the Connies were being refit in the early 2270s.

Not saying you're wrong, but I don't view it as likely. NCC-1864 is being "repaired" in 2267. I doubt it's being refit, and I doubt it was built to the TMP stylings already.

>http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Motion_Picture#Dating
>http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Court_Martial_(episode)
>http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek_II:_The_Wrath_of_Khan

>reading about the novelverse
I like what they did with the Darmok language.

>>55113430
Wrath of Khan is 15 years after space seed if that helps at all.

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>>55113589

"Court Martial" takes place the same year as "Space Seed", so it's also eighteen years.

We can construct a rough timeline of Enterprise's operational lifetime:

Launched in the 2240s under Robert April.
Pike takes command in 2254, has her for eleven years and hands her off to Kirk in 2265. She's refit twice, once during Pike's command, and once during Kirk's. Later she's refit a third time in the late 2260s, early 2270s (just in time for TMP).

She's then lost in 2285, over the Genesis planet, the same year Khan sucker-punches her with Reliant.

What does this have to do with Reliant, and her TOS-ification? Not much. I just wanted to go on a tangent.

>my group wants to play a sci-fi game, after years of fantasy stuff only
>offer to run a Star Trek game
>none of them have ever seen a single episode, so they decline

I've wanted to play a Trek game for ages, and thought this was my chance, but I guess not. Also, how does anyone never see a single episode of long running, award winning show that is LITERALLY on TV everyday.

>>55114222
I got into star trek only about a year ago, literally never seen a single episode prior to my first attack wing game, wound up liking it, and watching every series back to back. So its possible.

I've >>55113001
>Is it possible Reliant just has the same NCC number of another ship from twenty years earlier?
It seems unlikely to me. When registry numbers get reused, they add on a letter, so she would've been the Reliant-A

>>55114222
Just tell them that it's a normal sci-fi game, have them be a crew of random misfits on small ship and slowly lay on the Trekness. Make the BBEG a Pakled

>>55114438
We need things. Things to make us LIVE FOREVER

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>>55114438

This could definitely work. Offer up some species like Orions, Nausicaans, good ol' humans (from a non-Federation colony. Just state that if you choose human, you have to be from that world, and that Earth is ruled by a federation of worlds), maybe Bajorans and Cardassians if you like. Possibly Gorn if you want to have something other than human-but-forehead, human-but-color, and human-but-butt-ugly.

Give them a ship that's probably Raven sized, with maybe the equivalent of a runabout as far as armament and speed is concerned (depending on when you wan to set it). Maybe borrow and modify a Starfleet Museum ship?

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>>55114636
Jesus these things are radically different from most other ST ships we tend to see. I think I'd take a Daedalus.

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>>55114865

>Daedalus

You are an anon of taste and sophistication.

>>55114636
>baikal
Remember back when the USSR was a thing and every setting had to have a token Russian or two and now Russia's weak and geopolitically isolated and if we ever into space it'll be used as a toxic waste dumping ground?

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>>55114947

Yeah. Still, the Soviet Union has the distinction of basically doing everything first in the space race, except putting humans on the moon, and the first woman to spacewalk. Not bad for a bunch of mad Russkies in wooden rockets.

>>55114990
That's only true for single use manned spaceflight. Their attempts at science probes beyond Earth orbit were and are pretty terrible.

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>>55115178
>science probes

>>55115178
Well they did launch one at Venus, which let us all know that Venus is a hellhole.

>>55115585
>women are form venus
We already knew it was a hellhole.

hook me up with some trek memes /tg/ i need a good laugh

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>>55116166
Most of the ones I have are from /tv/.

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>>55116166
>>55116215
There's actually a dedicated subboard on 420chan for Star Trek, and there's (occasionally) some dank stuff there.

But in general Star Trek obviously isn't a very hot topic anymore, so the meme flow is somewhat weak.

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>>55116166
Say hello to my DOUBLE ILLEGAL SHIP SET!
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Starfleet_Assault_Cruiser_Technology_Set

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>>55116355

>>55116358
Gonna need some context here, I don't remember this episode

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CULTURAL APPROPRIATION
Seriously though the Trek writers are kinda racist in a really upper-class liberal kinda way.

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>>55116474

>>55116166
All of the TNG edits are pretty good, but these two are my faves.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYMfwBGveMg

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngsqaRD2HI8

>>55113096
Technically the purple part on the right is separate delta quadrant space connected by a stargate and dyson sphere

>>55116381
Crewman jumps into plasma stream in an apparent causeless suicide. Worf and Troi investigate.

Troi goes up to have a look and stands where he stood. Gordie finds another body hidden behind a wall panel.

Troi feels nothing, comes back down, investigations continue and they find that that he was psychically fucked with by another crew member who gets his jollies by getting people to an hero.

Worf and Troi develop "feelings" for each other and start having an affair. Troi catches Worf with another member of the crew and kills him in a jealous rage. Goes to the place with the plasma stream to jump in.

Worf grabs Troi before she can jump. It was all a dream.

Back when the ship was being constructed one of the construction crew killed their cheating lover and an heroed in that place. They were Betazoid and left a psychic imprint in the walls. Gordie discovers their remains in the plasma filter behind the wall panel where Troi saw him find bones in her dream.

Probably the least shit Troi episode.

>>55116783
>Probably the least shit Troi episode.
Second least shit, there's also the one were she's a secret Romulan agent or something.

>infatuation
>acquisition
>justification
>obsession
>resale

>>55116333
>>55116355
kek

>>55116471
yep. It comes across in a lot of ways, the way everyone on every show treats klingons, ferengi, even vulcans is pretty racist

>>55117198
ferengi for best race in trek 2017

>>55106480
Tom's not an expert on 20th century history, he's an expert on Americana. The equivalent of being that one guy that claims to be an expert on Japanese culture and history when he's just super into anime and samurai swords.

>>55116783
>Best Troi episode is the one where she tries to kill herself.

Says it all, really.

>>55119057

Tom's like the guy who shows up to SCA not because he knows anything about historical fighting or stuff, but because he really loves Monty Python's Holy Grail.

Anyone got some nice shapeways links for miniatures?

Anyone here ever design/concept their own ship?

>>55120925
Yeah, a couple of us here have.

>>55117399
They never really get called on it, either. You'd think the Klingons would start a fight over it, seeing as verbal insults and slurs are basically how they start honour duels.

>>55123636
"Human rights. Why the very name is racist. The Federation is no more than a homo sapiens only club." - Azetbur

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>>55123821
This is why i like Terran empire more, no bullshit, just colonization, mining, exploration and extermination.
That's all a decent space empire needs anyways.

>>55123636
Klingons also have appreciation for anyone who can give good insults - if you can dish it out as well as you can take it, then you'll earn at least some grudging respect from them

>>55124997
Huh, I wonder how Klingons and Tellarites would get along then.

>>55125907
About as well as Klingons get on with every other race they've encountered.

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>>55125907
Continuous orgies.

Because that's a mental image you wanted.

>>55125907
Tellarites argue but they're not insulting for no reason. Klingons are the opposite. They'd actually get along very badly

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>>55124997
Yeah but that's propably why they would be goddamn pissed when met with condescending Fed intellectuals who just think they are lightyears ahead of them and don't even bother to really understand Klingon empire.

Also does anyone have a klingon or federation version of this ?

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Found this forum and thread that has lots of pieces to use for designing mostly TOS and TMP era federation starships.

http://www.wolfsshipyard.com/yards/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2848

Pic just to get peoples attention

>>55124997
Yeah, it's not like the Klingons DON'T talk shit about humans every chance they get. Hell the Vulcans do the same thing, even.

I dunno if calling the ferengi on their shit is racist since their society sort of did that anyway in ds9.

>>55116668
>not Der Runtergang, where Data randomly speaks german
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO5ThFd5qas&list=PLKA_WqdzIF5XlKBO60F4YBW20qElfoQ6y&index=14

>>55123937
I'll take a hard pass on the literal moustached villains. I'm all for a less inept Federation, but the people that see assassination as the principle from of career advancement don't strike me as a reasonable alternative.

>>55126049
I think I saw one for Klingons and Bajorans before but I can't find it now.

>>55128310
>Honor aint free. The tree of victory gotta be littered with the blood of everybody. Gowron aka "cow spawn" is not my chancellor and is probably changeling: DDDD Kahless and LUKARA not Worf and JADZIA ok. Praise Kahless.

>>55129191
Bajor ain't free. The tree of the Bajorra gotta be littered with the Tears of the Prophets. Ben Sisko aka "the Sisko" ain't my Emissary. He's a non believer and probably a Pah Wraith :DD Kai WIN not Vedek Barail's SIN ok. Walk with the Prophets, my Child.

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what's Chakotay's first name

>>55134514
Vunillo

>>55134514
Bunbun

>>55134514
>val jean
Man the Maquis are so fucking full of themselves. Dominion occupation of Cardassia best day of my life.

>>55134538
why do all the maquis wear weird pajamas

>>55134554
normal Federation fashion

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>>55134554
You mean "why does everyone else wear such bland pajamas."

>>55134514
Firewater

>>55134514
Acoochimoya

>>55134514
Buckwheat. The other Maquis just made Otay into his name.

>>55134514
mukotay "walking bear" chakotay son of injun joe redfoot

>>55134529
>>55135029
>>55135042
my sides

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tfw tom paris knocks you up

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>>55135403
Tfw you don't knock Be'lanna up

>>55135430
vorik got cucked by his own haircut

>>55135885
>be Vorik
>but in the ground work to be very close friends with your qt boss
>going pretty well, she's even agreed to go on a casual date with you to the Space luau
>you're Vulcan, so playing the long game doesn't bother you in the slightest
>suddenly your species' innate need to go full-rape every 7 years kicks in
>you end up mind raping your qt boss so hard she beats you up and goes looking for some human dick on a world that's been depopulated by the Borg
>now your jaw is broken. You've burned your bridges with your qt boss and she has a crush on the ship's idiot pilot.

Life as Vorik is pain.

>>55132775
I like Friday's Child. It's no Doomsday Machine, but it's no Way to Eden either.

Shore Leave definitely belongs in the Bad category.

Tomorrow is Yesterday is Okay at best.

The Enemy Within, which features twice the Kirks, each doing twice the overacting, is rated Okay rather than The Greatest Thing Ever.

Spock's Goatee also deserves to be rated The Greatest Thing Ever.

A Piece of the Action certainly isn't Bad, but I think Good is pushing it.

Day of the Dove deserves a Good as does A Taste of Armageddon.

>>55134514
Commander

>>55137658
Next you'll tell me General Lee Bravely is a perfectly valid name.

>>55136091
Yeah, I'm not 100% on board with the rec list - Conscience of the King, Galileo Seven and Court Martial are all Good, no questions asked.

>>55135430
On that note, why do all Vulcans have the exact same bowl cut?

>>55140384
Because it's the only logical choice, duh.

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>>55132775

I dunno. I like "Dagger of the Mind" and "Court Martial". I think they're better than okay, particularly "Court Martial" because we get to see a female officer doing her duty despite having affection for the man she's having to condemn.

And we get to see Kirk defend himself, and rather than being the "reckless rule breaker" reputation pop culture has saddled him with, it turns out he's very by the book and compassionate to the point where he's willing to risk his own safety to help a man who wants to ruin him.

Why is TOS so damned good?

>>55132775
I would rather name a taste of armageddon as "Aka the one where Kirk threatens to exterminatus a planet if its people don't stop shoving him into a suicide booth"

>>55138636
>Conscience of the King
Mah nigga. Conscience of the King is one of the rare shows that really uses Shakespeare well and elevates itself by using the Bard's work. Absolutely fabulous, one of my favorite Star Trek episodes.

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>>55142286

>The one you can watch now that you've been reminded who the Cardassians are

I chuckled.

>>55142286
>Where Silence Has Lease
That should be a Good. It's a great classic "adventures in space" episode.

>Pen Pals
Even setting aside the Prime Directive stuff, this is just a Bad episode in general.

>Birthright
This is also a Good episode. Solid character growth in here.

>All Good Things
This should be a Great, because that episode rocks.

>Generations
This is an Okay, because it really isn't as terrible as everyone says. It's hackneyed but so is a lot of Star Trek.

Otherwise, good list.

>>55142286
The first episode of DS9 is actually pretty painful.

>>55142692
Hell of a lot less than Farpoint.

>>55142767

Or VOY's shit-tastic pilot. I watched all of VOY last year, or the year before. I started "Caretaker" four times before I could manage to get through it.

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>>55116668
> captain, perhaps i should remain and further entertain our guests
> -no!
fucking lost

>>55132775
Honestly I'd bump a lot of the okays to good.

>>55134538
They're all obsessed with Victor Hugo. Or it's a reference to Eddington who loved calling anyone who wanted him to pay for his crimes Javert.

>>55134577
One thing for Abramstrek the civvy clothing doesn't look fucking insane.

>>55140384
I don't fucking know but it bugs me that the romulans adopted it too in 90s trek.

>>55142821
What's wrong with it?

Creepy space wizard abducting people from around the galaxy and trying to impregnate them with fatal results because he's dying an needs an heir for his pedo-cave is a perfectly good basis for a series.

>>55142525
Honestly it's a good idea, DS9 often shows us the best of the Cardassians while only telling us what fucks they are. The occasional reminder helps keep the hate fresh.

>>55142525
What's the stick for? You're not going to find any Bajorans to club in the ruins of Cardassia Prime, dumbass.

>>55143506
Are you kidding? We see the worst in the Cardassians via every scene Dukat is in ever. Remember that time he tried leaving everyone to die on an exploding space station? Or tried to daterape Kira (like twice)? Or almost shot and killed *his own daughter*? Or became a marauding pirate figure waging a private war against the Klingons despite his government telling him to chill the fuck out? Or sold out his people for personal power and tried to conquer the quadrant?

Yeah, we see a lot of the bad aspects of Cardassians through his fabulous example.

>>55143583
I mean how much of that is just Dukat being a motherfucker.

A fabulous motherfucker.

>>55143583
>"But Dukat was a good guy all along and Waltz is totally character derailment!" - retards

>>55143498

Bad acting. Slow and plodding plot. Boring aliens. It's just not a very interesting outing when compared to anything else Trek. A good portion of the plot deals with Neelix and Kes, which is never fun or interesting.

And then it leads to the rest of VOY, which in seven seasons managed only a handful of watchable episodes.

>>55143621
>A fabulous motherfucker.
He absolutely makes the entire show. Marc Alamo is a fantastic motherfucker and he made Dukat absolutely amazing. Easily one of the best villains on television.

>>55143685
Ok, look, anyone who says that has an angle up until Waltz, at which point he stops being of questionable morality and becomes a completely psychotic nutcase. Dukat is evil and anyone who says otherwise is fucking stupid.

>>55142286
>Conspiracy
The one where Riker and Picard blow up a mother fucker

>>55142821
>>55143498
>>55143719
Honestly, the entire premise of the plot to Caretaker is great, especially as an introduction to the series. Certainly better than Farpoint, Broken Bow, and almost Emissary (the Picard bashing sends the latter much higher, though). The problem is, it just all goes to shit once they beam over for the first time and find out that the creepy space wizard decides to house them in cheap Americana, and the whole Ocampa thing sends it downhill quickly.

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>>55144346

>good premise
>bad execution

VOY in a nutshell.

>>55143847
>Dukat is evil and anyone who says otherwise is fucking stupid.
Obviously. It's just too bad they had him go full retard / stupid evil / cartoon villain towards the end.

>He absolutely makes the entire show.
Well, him and Garak. I also enjoy Worf's worf-ness, even if they could probably have used him better.

>>55144589
They used Worf better than in TNG.

In TNG it was always

Helmsman: There is probably dangerous thing
Worf: Sensible suggestion that could save us lives
Picard: Bring this boat of civilians and children closer to thing, I want to hit it with my science
Data: Thing has happened
Riker: Red Alert

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>>55144589

>used Worf better

As opposed to TNG >>55116402?

>>55144652
Ok, this is absolutely the funniest fucking thing I've read in days. And it is funny because of how true it really is.

>>55144652
>Picard: Bring this boat of civilians and children closer to thing, I want to hit it with my science
I'm glad I'd finished drinking before I got to this part.

Does anyone have a high res copy of a Steamrunner MSD? I can't seem to find any and it'd be really helpful for my upcoming Star Trek: Adventures game.

>>55144692
Didn't know the Defiant was so large. From the show I'd have thought it was the bridge, engineering, and a couple hotbunk quarters.

>>55145408
It's easily the largest version MSD of the Defiant I've ever seen. Most show 4-5 decks not 7.

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>>55145408
>>55145446

This one is as close to the on-screen MSD as I am aware of.

>>55145580
Does that line up with the size of the Defiant in the external shot's of DS9? Because the dimesions I'm seeing online would point to it being closer to >>55144692 in size, while also still somehow only having 4 decks

>>55145935
It's actually possible that the Defiant is actually that size and only has four decks. It is probably that a majority of its internal volume is taken up by engine, weapons, armor, and shield systems and redundancies. It would go a long way towards explaining why it has such shitty amenities for a Starfleet ship (which, reminder, are built by wizards).

>>55145935

That's part of the problem with ships and scale in Trek. Not a single one is consistent. The MSD in the post you quoted is based on the one we see on-screen, and I think the other one (also posted by me because I apparently have nothing better to do than save Trek related images) is probably based on the larger sizes shown in various episodes.

>http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/defiant-problems.htm

>>55144652
>They used Worf better than in TNG.
The inter-character dynamic in TNG was better. Or maybe it was just that Worf was less central and therefore less likely to get tiresome. Of course, the flip-side of that is that Worf was more likely to be used as a prop in TNG (alien throws Worf across the bridge to show how powerful they are), but I don't really count that against him.

>>55146044
If you save a lot of Trek images, can you help me out with >>55145095 perchance? It'd be pretty excellent, my ST: Adventures players will thank you.

>>55146083

I'll see if I have one, and barring that, I'll look for one on the net.

>>55146094
I've gone looking, can't find a high quality one (read: one I can read). If you have a source though, it'd be pretty amazing man.

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>>55146131

Hmm. Well, this is the "best" of the lot, despite the unsightly watermarks. I'll post the others I could find, but it seems there hasn't been a lot of love for the Steamrunner.

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>>55146226

Here's another. Not as high res, unfortunately.

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>>55146240

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>>55146275

Hey. I changed it from MSD to "deck plans" and look what I found!

>http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/sd-steamrunner.php

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>>55146377

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>>55146484

>>55146500

Well, I tried to make a thread on /hr/ so I could post the one page sheets, but it keeps timing out on me. Still, I hope the link helps you Steamrunner anon. It has detailed top-down deck plans too.

>>55146377
Thems some nice blueprints.

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>>55144652
>Picard: Bring this boat of civilians and children closer to thing, I want to hit it with my science
>Data: Thing has happened
>Riker: Red Alert

>>55114947


Furthermore remember when Japan was a thing and every near-future setting had to have half of everything owned by big Japanese corporations?

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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I rather enjoy when VOY goes full TOS.

>>55147620
It still is, and every nitty gritty shitty cyberpunk setting still adds in a load of gratuitous nip companies or copies the neon aesthetics.

>>55146377
>>55146484
>>55146500
>>55146744
Holy shit, you did some amazing shit right here, MSDanon. This is fukkin sweet. Thank you so much for this. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I was playing War of the Chosen.

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>>55147850
Next you're going to say you enjoyed the Fair Haven episodes, or Tuvix.

Get out.

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>>55148717
Those are both total shit. I said full TOS, not full season one TNG.

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>>55148660

No problem. Glad I could help.

>>55148717
Nigger Tuvix is the best crew member. He didn't do anything wrong and Janeway murdered him to get NEELIX back. FUCKING NEELIX. Fuck Janeway, worst captain.

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>>55148792
But TOS and season 1/2 TNG are also all shit anon...

>>55148876
Season 1 TNG I'll give you, but calling TOS shit? You came to the wrong neighborhood, faggot.

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>>55148876

Out. >>/trash/

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>>55148896
TOS is total garbo.
There's a reason it has even less seasons than fucking Enterprise.

>>55148931
It's
>>>/trash/

>>55148933
I know this is low-hanging bait but you're still a faggot.

>>55148994
What bait?
The only good Star Trek is NG season 3 through 7, all of DS9 and all of Voyager. Everything else is bad news bears.

>>55149034
>all of DS9
>all of it

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>>55149034

>TNG Season 7
>VOY
>good

I wouldn't even consider most of TNG 3-6 good. Maybe half of it, but not all of it.

At least we can agree on DS9. But TOS being shit? No. TOS has some awful episodes, I'll grant you, but it has some of the best Trek has to offer too. Being old=/=bad.

Again, >>>/trash/

>>55148933
Dude, totally agree. Bad special effects and BORING. Little action and it's all boring. No good special effects, the new movies are so much better because there's action and things blowing up. It's so much more fun to watch.

>>55149119
Just about every season of DS9 was top tier

>>55149127
TNG 7, as bad as it was, was way, way better than 1 and 2.
Every season, NG DS9 and VOY had hit or miss episodes, but the majority were good, unlike TOS and NG 1/2.
TOS and TOS movies are two different things though.
Show was garbage, movies were ok.

>>55149146
Fuck off fago, JJ Abrams killed (KILLED) star trek.
I hate him.
He also killed Star Wars.
No one man has ever so totally destroyed so much that I love and enjoy.

I know you're being a smartass. That doesn't make TOS good though.

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>>55149221

VOY was never good. It had a handful of watchable episodes during its entire run. Most of them were shit, and even TOS's bad episodes were more enjoyable.

>>>/trash/

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>>55148933
TOS is simultaneously the best and worst of the Treks. It does some painfully stupid shit, and can be more than a little primitive. On the other hand, it has the best character dynamic of all the Treks, and there's a lot of awesomeness there, if you can look past the weak points. The biggest difference between Star Trek fans who like TOS and those who don't is probably the ability to enjoy the hamminess. If you find Shatner's over-emphasized and melodramatic acting annoying, then I can well understand why you're not a fan of the show. But I think it's awesome, and shit like that makes TOS the most fun of the Treks.

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>>55149371
You forgot its most important achievement.

>>55149367
Why is anything happening in that pic at all? Why does 7 of 9 have ridges on her stomach? Why is Morn there? Who is Ro Laren or Barcley there? Who is the cat in the bottom left? Why does Chakotay look literally like Clayface? I have so many questions...

>>55149258
>Fuck off fago, JJ Abrams killed (KILLED) star trek.
>I hate him.
Yeah, fuck that guy.

>He also killed Star Wars.
With due respect, Star Wars had already been fucked, then killed, then fucked again, then brought back to life just so it could be fuck-killed one more time. By the time Abrams got to it, its corpse had already been defiled so badly that there really wasn't anything left that anybody could do to it to make things worse.

>>55149367
Guinan needs to close her fucking robe. This is a family show.

>>55149496

Some days, you just have to smash your ass into an Andorian's face.

He had it coming.

>>55149426
Man, you got problems, son.

>Who is the cat in the bottom left?
Spot

>>55149426
>Why is Morn there?
He was on TNG, DS9 and Voyager. 95 episodes.

That's more than Phlox. Or more than Jake Sisko and Molly O'Brien put together.

>>55149558
Oh shit, that *is* Spot, isn't it? Fucking hell, I didn't realize it at first. Good call there, anon.

>>55149426
>Who is the cat in the bottom left?
https://youtu.be/_pEiLpxzuCY?t=20s

>>55149426
>Why does 7 of 9 have ridges on her stomach?
Her original outfit had those. It was apparently incredibly painful, so they changed it.

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>lie to a bunch of artificial sophonts chained to a limited virch that you're from the future
>give the one you're screwing a book about a future guy who goes back in time a fucks everything up for everyone

>>55148896
I like season 1 TNG actually, because it shows what TNG was at its most pure. The Klingons are still part of the Federation, Picard snarkily remarks about old earth traditions earthlings have moved past (when in later seasons earthling inexplicably have them again), Q was actually a threat, Crusher wasn't a cardboard cutout of a character and Worf wasn't worthless yet, and everyone had a moment of character growth.

>>55149371
>>55149404
Rewatching ToS now, man there is a ton of usable material Star Trek writers could have gone back for. Like Charlie X still being imprisoned and Gary Mitchell becoming a Q.

>>55151898
>can have literally any paradise imaginable created on the holodeck
>pick a small town in fucking Clare

At least Talaxian Space Hawaii seemed relaxing.

>>55153369
One mans heaven another mans hell, etc.

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>>55147850
It's a not that uncommon opinion, just a lot of people don't realise that's what Voyager was doing when it was quite good at times.

Including the writers, because iirc Braga at least is on record as not just having no love for the original, but as never having seen it. When Voyager turned out to be very TOS at times with the constantly moving on, the space monsters, tons of planet of the hats, tons of weird creatures like things that eat dreams or whatever, a captain that gets in more fights than even the guy fighting a damn war...

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Give me quirky officers for a random ship in Starfleet, TNG era specifically. Want my players to have a ball meeting the crew and learning they are on something like the USS Ark Royal.

>>55149127
>>55149119
>>55148994
what are opinions? how can anyone disagree with me!! reeeee

>>55149221
100% agree

>>55149367
holy fuck what blind ape drew that? that's some of the worst fan art ive ever seen and thats counting the sonicfag deviant art stuff

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>>55149426
>Why does Chakotay look literally like Clayface?
kek

>>55149595
>Throughout the seven year run of Deep Space Nine, Shepherd never received official credit and appeared in other background roles as well. He also portrayed Morn in episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Voyager.

Yeah, real important

>>55149595
Morn, that big blabber-mouth! Always getting into all sorts of trouble. If you can manage to make him shut up for a half a moment he gets to be all ears for you and turns into an absolute bro.

>>55104124
Just to inform: The ST mod for Stellaris has just entered 'beta'. It now has playable Borg, a Mirror Universe scenario, and a Birth of the Federation galactic map. Likely buggy, but still fun.

>>55149595
When the fuck was Morn on Voyager?

>>55156858
VOY: Caretaker

>>55156858
His only shot would have been the first, when Voyager was docked at DS9.

>>55153914
Bolian chef who plays the tuba.

>>55157130
Added. Any more?

>>55153914
A surprisingly emotional Vulcan science officer who is actually a Tal Shiar agent who infiltrated wrong ship and is currently constantly seeking to get transferred from the ship, but due to the reputation of the ship and its crew, has hard time at it and is constantly trying to get accolades so she can get out of the ship.
Has attempted to gain favor via asking a ship captain from another ship to help her with her "pon far".
She then went on to repeat this tale and attempt 5 times in a row, each failing miserably.

>>55156858
Caretaker. 1st frame when they're on DS9.

>>55153914
Algolian who just happens to be his planets uncontested air guitar champion, being an expert in the craft since his youth obsession with late twentieth century Earth music. He has gone so far as to perform and pioneer the "Algolian Swirl" a rhythmic cadence of dance while jamming super hardcore.

>>55153914
A Betazed chief engineer with a holistic approach to repair and maintenance and gives orders telepathically without warning.

A Vulcan hair stylist obsessed with providing the most logical hair style for a person's face shape.

An Andorian chief of security that's replaced all the hand vacuum phasers with Andorian assault blasters and is prone to a punch first, ask questions later when strange beings beam onto the bridge

Tellarite doctor that wants to hoard the medicine "just in case" and uses more primitive methods of treatment. If questioned, will argue with you until the heat death of the universe.

A Deltan ship's counselor, believes all mental issues can be cured with a healthy sexual lifestyle.

a Caitian science officer that fucks up everything because he sheds constantly, contaminating every possible sample.

A Human first officer that's secretly a WW3 era augment and doesn't age. Has superior strength, endurance, healing and dexterity but missed the intelligence bus. His ambition has gotten him to first officer but his incompetence has left him there for years. Has a tendency to get drunk and ramble about shit that happened before everyone else was born.

>>55153914
A young Kzinti obsessed with Klingon culture aspiring to one day be the Kzin-Klingon ambassador. He has also naturally studied the career of one Worf and as such has a healthy respect for barrels.

>>55153914
The science officer is a Romulan claiming to be a Vulcan. He never had the pronounced ridges. Romulans were made up primarily of one set of ethnic groups that went their separate ways which is why they almost all have the ridges. Almost all. He does not despite having had no non-romulan ancestors all the way back to the exodus. Claims to just be a pagan Vulcan until actual pagan Vulans turn up then he tries to autism the fuck up in case they spot the ruse.

Chief Engineer is an enormous Gorn. She came with the ship. Story is that she was part of the construction crew (private contractor) that just never left but the first captain was in need of a skilled engineer and she fit the bill. It is known that she is old, very old. Gorn typically live long. SHe may predate the UFP but she isn't saying.

Navigator/helmsman is an old "human". Fucking bullshit, he's a ridgeless throwback Klingon that went native. He's been falsifying records and documents since the days of Cpt. April. He isn't there for any reason beyond being part of a now officially outlawed, extinct and discredited common house that chose the wrong side in a small civil war. It's gotten to the point now where he barely remembers what he is and it would just be awkward if he admitted it. He and the Romulan do not know about each other, probably for the better. Unbeknownst to him he does have several bastard children and they do have ridges.

Ship's Doctor is a chaste and virtuous Orion. Typically wears a full and severely plain gown that goes from neck to ankles with big sensible boots and usually gloves. Teetotal. Eats plainly. As far as anyone knows is a celibate virgin with no sex drive. Would have made a good vulcan in another life. Has memorized 20 different full religious scriptures in addition to her medical knowledge.

>>55153914
Joined Trill who fell into a temporal anomaly and now copies of all her previous hosts are also on board the ship in various roles. Somehow, beyond any understanding, there's only one symbiote who's somehow inside each of the hosts simultaneously, meaning they all share the same symbiote memories. While this has led to a boost in crew efficiency (you can tell engineer Trill one thing and security Trill will know it instantaneously) it can be incredibly unnerving to have one Trill talk to you about something you told another Trill. Additionally, each host has retained their own personality and can have very different attitudes toward something, as well as the hosts bickering amongst themselves. Finally, a medical problem that effect the symbiote will also effect every other host, including death.

>>55147620
Now it's China's turn! I bet that'll be the real future.

>>55153914
2 Trill who married as 1st hosts.

In defiance of the symbiosis commission they remarried in their 2nd hosts. For this they were expelled and without the commission were expected to die with their hosts.

But they did not. When one dies the other finds them a new host illegally, usually from commission rejects. The best of what's left so to speak.

They are on their fifth hosts now. Both are doctors and surgeons by necessity and have made a long living out of this. Together, always together.

>>55153914
Gorn science officer who's a complete party animal off the clock
>>55155020
It's amazing how he drew EVERY head and face wrong...
>>55155059
>shitting on Morn
Here's your (You) - don't spend it all at once!

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>>55155020
>>55158647

I think they must have been trying to affect a 'style' but didn't do enough work on making the 'style' not garbage first.

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>>55158349

Everyone will pepper their speech with Chinese phrases, and use it for cursing so the censors think they're having epileptic fits!

>>55153914

An aging, heavyset security officer who once was a law enforcement officer on a bleak and troubled colony world. Thousand yard stare, drinks heavily, but is always competent. Desires to retire to Risa when his tour of duty is up.

Unpopular with with higher ups, because he often does things his own way rather than the "Starfleet way". This means a lot fewer gold shirts KIAed. Doesn't believe human nature has evolved, just that criminals have gotten craftier.

>>55158765
Ok, the vulcan and human in that pic are garbo, but I kinda like the Andorian. He's just like "ugh, this shit again". I can sympathize, Andorian bro.

>>55159934
I'm just mildly pissed off by the tumblr noses

>>55160911
Same but it's not just the nose, there's a bunch of it used as a highlight for some reason I can't fathom. Composition is nice though. Probably directly lifted from a Kirk/McCoy/Spock picture but hey, if you're gonna go to the source an all.

>>55161424
>>55160911
I 100% guarantee that artist mainly draws shitty hentai

>>55161727
red noses and/or perpetual blushing is a good sign that they draw childporn.

>>55158765
That's not a Vulcan, skin is grey.

>>55162069
>Grey skin
>emotive
>not wearing a dumb bowl cut

I'd put good money on her being a Romulan, so.

>Zen charge bonus
>Services sale
>Pack sale
When they played TT, were the devs roleplaying Ferengi by any chance?

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Questions to the ST:A GMs and Players in the thread:
-Did you buy the bundles from Modi? Was it worth the price?
-How did you resolve displaying a room/combat movement space to players? (a mat, Roll20, the provided pieces from Modi, something else)
-Based on the .pdfs, would you buy the possible expansions?

>>55163001
>-Did you buy the bundles from Modi? Was it worth the price?
Bundles? I just have the book itself.

>-How did you resolve displaying a room/combat movement space to players? (a mat, Roll20, the provided pieces from Modi, something else)
Theater of the mind, man. Don't really need too many details since it's all supposed to be a little flowy and light.

>-Based on the .pdfs, would you buy the possible expansions?
I'll probably buy the expansions, yeah. If they're same quality as the core book, I'll buy the entire run.

>>55149367
Where the hell are Nog, Garrack, and Rom??

>>55162069
>That's not a Vulcan, skin is grey.
>>55162342
>I'd put good money on her being a Romulan, so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoBsBzIn7BE

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>>55163801
>the romulan heart is grey
I wonder how he knows this fact?

>>55164173
Just something he picked up in his years as a gardener.

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>>55157390
>A Vulcan hair stylist obsessed with providing the most logical hair style for a person's face shape.

>>55126049
One of the few good things the novels did was make the banker guy from that TNG season one episode the ambassador to Ferenginar.

>>55164602
Yeah, especially because the Ferengi are utterly bamboozled by how good he is. And the C&W guy being strangely popular with alien species, Klingons in particular is also good too.

>>55157390
>a Caitian science officer that fucks up everything because he sheds constantly, contaminating every possible sample.
Nah man, standing order to all Caitans to brush themselves once a day.

>>55153914
A half Denobulan, half Betazoid supply officer who tends to be much too touchy feely with everyone around her. She's also prone to gossiping to anyone who will listen about all the surface emotions she picks up from the people she flirts with.

>>55164173
He stole one on Risa.

>>55163001
>-Did you buy the bundles from Modi? Was it worth the price?
Nope, got it from an obfuscated link I found many threads ago. It's probably worth some money but given how basic the core book is it's probably overpriced.

>-How did you resolve displaying a room/combat movement space to players?
My GM just freeformed that shit. I made a small tactical blunder due to not having a map, but narratively it was a better outcome so whatever.

>-Based on the .pdfs, would you buy the possible expansions?
I am poor so probably not, but non poor people probably would.

>>55164681
That standing order came about after some fur shorted out a transporter pad's control station mid beam and Ambassador Troi materialized naked.

>>55161424
>used as a highlight for some reason I can't fathom
That's another tumblr thing - people TOTALLY have red knees 24/7 in real life, right

>>55153914
The most fedoracore atheist Bajoran imaginable. Condemns the occupation, but ultimately views it as "the kick in the pants we needed to finally get offworld and do something other than worship a big hole in the sky."

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>>55158015
The second in command is a renegade Tholian. There's a massive metal tube from floor to roof of the room in the bridge. He just stands there and barks orders when he's not getting beamed onto planetside in contaiment suit

One of the characters from time to time is a actually a changeling from dominion. It just wants to not get noticed so it occasionally impersonates crew members, appearing as bizarrely out-of-character in side scenes.

>>55169959
I like the changeling one. That could be fun. One of the hundred sent out, has no intention of loosing it's acquired individuality by re-joining the Great Link, fucking hates the Dominion and everything it stands for and really just wants to couch surf on star ships for the rest of time.

He does odd jobs. The crew know he is there but mostly jus play along with his bullshit because he/she/it panics and hides if it gets found out and it's actually quite sad.

It's biggest fear about being discovered is that they will decide in that annoying UFP way that it belongs with it's own kind and then pack him off to the Dominion where they will dump it in the goo lake and it will suffer a sort of living death.

>>55169225
This one made me chuckle

>>55166703
I'm sorry but do you mean as in figuratively or literally? With Garak you can never tell.

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>>55167504
>tumblr """content creators"""
I'll bet that their own knees are red from overuse.

>>55167504
I mean, mine are but my family has bad knees.

>>55171455
Grats

>>55171455
>10 light years from Drozana
I chuckled

>>55171399
I deliberately left that ambiguous.

>>55116166
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=414TmP12WAU

>>55174372
Ah, gotcha

>>55153914
A former Borg that accidentally got linked to a long forgotten repository of the 21st century internet and now sporadically lapses into a state where they believe that various ridiculous conspiracy theories are historical facts. Think flat-earther while in clear view of a spherical planet.

>>55140384
>>55140420
A lot of Vulcan society seems to be fixated on ritual and ceremony. Maybe their hair plays a part in it. Perhaps as a clear identifier of who is and isn't practicing total emotional purgation.

>>55143447
I bet the Romulan aristocracy are fucking crazy. Like the most excessive Roman type of crazy. So some Senator decides he likes dressing up like a Vulcan and it becomes a thing within the senate. Before you know it, the Praetor is decreeing that everyone has to wear their hair like that now.

Does anyone have any good ways to keep track of Threat, Momentum, and Determination for STA in roll20? I've tried using a token and it didn't exactly work out to my liking.

>>55181373
https://www.thegamecrafter.com/parts/blank-small-dial

>>55181423
That might work for IRL, but I'm using roll20

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>>55181443
Shh.

>>55181373
Use the Initiative tracker.

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