Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1699: Two and a Half Gokus Edition

>>55061954
Wow you were waiting for this weren't you?

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>>55061954
That half is a fixable problem.

Speedy thread, jesus.

>>55061859
>>55061915
It's weird, because I remember it being completely fine when I played it as a kid, but when I fired up the ol' Wii the murkiness and the fuzziness started to really get to me and I got dizzy. I'm gonna take a guess that I'm either sleep deprived or my tv is just shit, since firing up Majora's Mask on a friend's N64 was fine.

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>>55061772
>Cat like girl maybe, not a regular cat.

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Wander Over Yonder Jump when ?

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>>55061971
Yes, and now my evil scheme to make a Two and a Half Men joke has finally come to fruition.

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>>55062001

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JoJo Thot Drawback when ?

>>55062030
The fuck is a thot?

>>55062049
What guys call girls in schools that send out nudes and porn of themselves. An acronym for That Ho Over There.
Man, if you bang her you better wrap it good, that thot has given herpes to half the school.

>>55062068
Hello Urban Dictionary

>>55062068
Indeed

>>55061435
>when it'd be easier to just leave everything together
That is the definition of being lazy, not doing something because it's easier to do nothing.
It'd the work of 30 seconds to 2 minutes to consolidate some stuff into one page. But saying "Don't do it Val!" You are actually, literally, defending laziness.

>barely-related shit together that shares no continuity.
Riiiiight. The starting location origin and location for the same jump share no continuity. Every jump that has them together on the same page is doing it wrong. This isn't you grasping at straws to won some internet argument at all. No sirree!

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Kronk Jump when ?

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How did your Pokemon Companions first react once they first gained a human alt-form? What did they do during that Jump to investigate that new identity?

>>55062068
Thank you Urbanon.

>>55062011
When you make it.

>>55062100
Oh, right, the jump. The jump for Kronk. The jump made specifically for Kronk. Kronk's jump.

...that jump?

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>>55062109
>What did they do during that Jump to investigate that new identity?

>>55062120
Yes.

>>55062089
You're being pedantic over something insignificant and just trying to point out fake flaws with a jump that's perfect.

>>55062109
I don't know yet, only my Blaziken's got one so far. Not sure where to import the others for it yet and wanna go through all the remaining Pokemon stuff before then.

>>55062068
Do the young people really use this slang? Oh god, if that's true I'm going to feel so old.

>>55062187
Far as I can tell, thot is niche slang mostly used in memes and those trying to sound cool.

>>55062187
Yes they do. They even have a Thotslayer Dio and a Thotpatrol

>>55062187
Define "young people". I don't think I've seen it outside of memery.

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>>55062020
Hmm I wonder how well count dooku would do in he man and masters of the universe.

>>55062250
Count Dooku is not nearly hammy or fabulous enough for He-Man and the Masters of the Universe.

>>55062109
>pic
>still not sure whether my starter should be a boy (more likely) or a girl (has more available pictures)

>>55061257
Japan thinks animal buttholes are funny.

>>55062279
True, but watching his indignation as everyone walks around in garishly colored fetish gear would be worth the price of admission. Also, we have a He-Man jump?

>>55062292
I just select a girl pic with relatively conservative clothing and mentally remove the boobs.

>>55062109
I never gave my pokemon human forms. I find the idea a little disturbing.

>>55062304
They kind of are. Animals walking around looking so stupid, and not even realizing it.

>>55062324
So what, you just don't let them interact with any civilization that doesn't already have Pokemon? You might as well leave them behind altogether.

>>55062326
>and not even realizing it
That's what they get for not eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Aha, these suckers.

aha

I'm thankful for how the Naruto jump has made me reread a bunch of great fanfiction in search of the perfect one to jump. And I have to say even though I'm probably going to jump an AU fanfic that has some interesting worldbuilding I'm really tempted to jump this hilarious oneshot: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5827218/26/another-fistful-of-omake

>>55062324
Same, if I'm gonna fuck a furry I'll just rail out a panderan or worgen

>>55062305
True, that would be amazing. And no, unfortunately we do not. It would be a ton of fun to jump He-Man, though, especially if one jumped JoJo before and brought that brand of style to add to the madness.

>>55062148
Yes, all of Vals jumps are perfect with no room for any improvements at all! Anyone who says differently deserves should be lined up against a wall and shot.

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Oh right, I did say I'd try to a drop a WIP once I got done writing up perks. Technically I got done earlier but DBZ/Extended Properties were getting discussed, then I read a bunch of Grappler Baki and forgot, so here it is now.

Again, WIP, nowhere close to Jumpable, but it's basically a status update while I'm busy with other things so people are aware of the how things are progressing.

>>55062424
Um, I thought Demon Souls and Dark souls were both already on the Drive. What gives?

>>55062424
Meh.

>>55062452
Update.

>>55062324
Depends on the pokemon.
Most psychic types are human level intelligent or smarter, for example, so i don't think it's any more disturbing for them than a jumper using an altform.

Note that this is about pokemon companions taking a human (or humanoid) form to blend in, not for you to fuck them.

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>>55062351

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>>55062489

>>55062452
People requested the Dark Souls Jump to be split into Dark Souls 1 and 2 Jumps. It was unanimous in the literal sense (I counted yes and no posts). Extended questioning across a couple threads and days, asked thread and IRC, etc.

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>>55062508
>>55062489

>>55062351
Well seeing as OAA's caved in to shitposters and is making worgen a modifier instead of a race (further removing the pile from canon in every respect), you can do both in one.

>>55062424
With Invasion, do you have any degree of control over which world you visit? Also, what's with the "mirroring" aspect? I don't remember that being a thing in the Souls games, where you can kill people in your world as a phantom.

>>55062515
Ah, ok.
I'm always in favor of more content. and there is definitely more than 10 years between 1 & 2 I think?

Just don't break any builds please. All the stuff offered in the old jump will still exist in one of the 2 new jumps, right?

>>55062424
>want to be a God
>also want to eat the Dark Soul and lead humanity into glory
What do?

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>>55062572

>>55062572
>Implying Blizzard remembers any of their canon anyways

>>55062424
That formatting is fucking spicy. I like it.

>Invasion
Hahahahahahahahahaha.

>Egg Head+Abominable Mutation
That is gross mang. But thank you for making it a thing. I love symbiotes.

>Dragon Eyes+Gut Instinct+Draconic Transformation
This is hilarious.

>>55062089
Are you pretending to be retarded? Why?

>>55062424
>Lord Splinter
Isn't Gwynn's soul related to light and energy, which produces lightning? Or something like that. That's how it was explained in the wiki at least. But light is definitely a part of it.

>>55062424
>Strength, dexterity, stamina, even intelligence or luck can be enhanced in this manner.
Can this improve the other stats which aren't listed (vitality, endurance, resistance, faith)?

>>55062572
>Implying that you actually care even a little about the setting
Cake

>>55062424
Your tormenting me I can tell. Why else would you have so many nice things but not enough cp to spend.

>>55062674
Jesus, anon! Stahp, you'll make me hungry. I really could go for carrot cake about now.

>>55062424
Hmm, nice. Reading now. Thanks NuBee.

>>55062681
Universal Drawback Supplement
Dark Souls wasn't painful enough!

>>55062619
This.

Fucking this.

I've had to make a frickin' +0 drawback from the amount of retcons I've had to try and reconcile.

>>55062619
While we're on the subject, I'm putting together a to-do list for my time there and in WCIII. Anything I should add?

>Save Arthas/Terenas/Uther/Lordaeron
>Destroy the Frozen Throne, permakill Ner'zhul
>Save Anasterian/Silvermoon/the Sunwell
>Save Nordrassil
>Permakill Archimonde, Mannoroth, and any big-time demons who show up somehow
>Cure the Plague if it continues to spread somehow
>Integrate any Orcs willing to control themselves into Night Elf society
>Boot any Orcs unwilling to control themselves into Silithus, direct them at any and all bugs
>Teleport to wherever Deathwing is, boop him on the snoot, and cure his crazy, which should fix the rest of his Flight
>If not, boop Onyxia on the snoot and make sure VanCleef gets paid
>Go to Nagrand and go full Disney movie on Garrosh so he never goes coocoo
>Boop Malygos, fix his crazy, make him calm down about mages
>Poke all Old Gods to death
>Figure out why Gnomes can't be druids
>Something about Vereesa I think
>Tell Turalyon he's a lucky man
>Decorrupt Loken and all Keepers
>boop Helya and force her and Odyn to actually talk about their issues
>throw any remaining Old God organs in the Warehouse, to be disposed of efficiently later
>talk sense into Sargeras if possible, if not make sure he never reaches planet

>>55062424
>though without a strong soul and great faith in Lord Gwyn it fizzles short of expectations
Is that part really necessary? I wanna cast lightning spears without believing in the glory of Gwyn.

>>55062579
Invasion has some general control but nothing finite. The mirroring part is based on something I observed after rewatching some LPs, mostly when you kill Lautrec in another world as an invading phantom, but his corpse and equipment show up in your world, or how beating Kirk's phantom enough causes his corpse to appear near the Fair Lady despite you only ever battling a phantom.

>>55062583
Oh there's absolutely more than ten years between games, kingdoms rise and fall, some theories guess a gap of hundreds of even a thousand years have passed (though there isn't much way to know for sure given no concrete records).

And yeah, that's one of my intentions with this, to try and keep many of the purchases from the old Jump in some fashion. In fact, if you cross compare, you should find quite a few of the old perks in some fashion sitting in the WIP Document.

>>55062609
Not sure, it's implied that gods like Artorias (I'm calling all of Gwyn's people who weren't humans or giants 'gods' for simplicity's sake) who only had light in their soul were extremely susceptible to abyssal corruption since they had no experience with tolerating it. It'd be a sticky situation for you.

>>55062624
Thanks! I fiddled with that quite a bit.

I nervously choose to believe that's a positive maniacal laugh.

I fucking adored designing the Chaos Servant perks, probably the thing that made me to decide to fill up perk trees with all the little mini combos.

I had pleasant thoughts of turning severed fingers into cute dragonlet pets.

>>55062653
Mmhm, though for some reason "Sunlight" manifests as lightning when represented as an energy in Dark Souls for some reason, so I thought the continued emphasis on electricity would be the right direction. Did you have anything in mind to keep to the theme?

>>55062662
Yeah, that's what that line was supposed to be referencing. There's probably some kind of characteristic or ability related to the game stats you can enhance.

>>55062777
>Integrate any Orcs willing to control themselves into Night Elf society
Why integrate them into Night Elf society specifically?

>>55062777
REMOVE
ALL
TRIFLING
GNOMES

No seriously gnomes summoning demons too large for their britches twice cant be called a coincidence anymore, DO NOT ALLOW GNOMES TO WARLOCK

>>55062109
Empoleon mostly complained about how cold everything was as a human.

>>55062800
Mostly so they learn how to Druid and don't kill Cenarius.

May also involve NElves relearning how to Shaman, since they obviously forgot how to do that when they stopped being trolls.

>>55062777
>>boop Helya and force her and Odyn to actually talk about their issues

That's going to require you to convince Odyn to actually admit his wrong-doings and how he's responsible for some of the bad shit that's gone down in the world.

Which is pretty much impossible, considering how far up his own ass he is about VALOR.

>>55062797
>Did you have anything in mind to keep to the theme?
Well, you could say in the perk that it gives you an affinity for light and energy (fire, light, lightning basically) related abilities, which due to a quirk in the settings metaphysic's manifests as lightning.

Also, there's that part from the wiki
>His soul embodied the concepts of light and energy, allowing him to manipulate them both, and generate a substance called lightning.
No clue if that's true to canon, but from what I remember of the games, it seems to be correct.

>>55062806
All I really need to do is poke the Troggs to death and stop Thermaplugg. That'll free up the Gnomes to help the Alliance if Archy somehow shows up anyway.

>>55062797
That is indeed the good type of laughter.

Also, thank you for being generous to Companions. Even if the actual import price makes me wanna die a bit.

>>55062424
Jump looks good! I also dig the black on grey style.

>>55062797
I assume the Eternal Dragon scenario is gonna let us become a dragon? Would be neat. And what would the Lord of Sunlight scenario get us?

>>55062777
Duskwood, Felwood, a fuckton of other places need help healing the lands.
If you can't decorrupt Deathwing then setting up an uncorrupt black dragon as the new aspect would prolly help.

Try and save/repair the world soul of Argus? I dont actually know what the fuck is going on there but apparently something something the Legion is torturing the world soul of Argus to make themselves immortal or something. The whole immortality has been retconned back and forth I dont even know anymore.


And fuck Odyn. He's an overgrown manchild who makes everything worse. Though if you think you can get him to see the error of his ways then do it.

>>55062853
Eh. The worst of Gnomeregan happens during Warcraft 2 though.

Okay I went full fae mood on this one but now I have the Kinetic Cestus Noble Phantasm built with Item Construction EX: https://pastebin.com/ev75w1nz

I doubt it'll pass muster through Val, though if they wanna give their opinion I'd love to see them tear it apart or maybe (.0000000001%) approve of it. I really like the feel that this gave me.

>>55062844
He's had a while to calm down, I think. Besides, fixing the dragon problems and showing him that might convince him maybe dragons weren't a bad idea after all.

I think Helya will be harder to talk to, being as bitter and probably Old-God corrupted as she is. Maybe poke N'Zoth to death first?

I'm starting accrue weapons that I feel fit me. I was wondering, where I can pick up some type of quick weapon switch. I have enough arms to wield all of them, but people would start asking questions.

>>55062886
Requip in Fairy Tail, I know DMC has a perk for it, there's probably others.

>>55062424
Could you add a Lord Splinter + Ancient Tradition combo that enhances the affinity Lord Splinter gives you?

>>55062886
Terraria has Inventory and you can switch to any item on the Hotbar portion with a thought.
Limited to 10 slots on the hotbar though.

>>55062872
That reminds me to remove Satyr and Remove Nightmare.

>>55062873
Good point, I'll have to wait for a WCII jump.

>>55062886
There are quite a few inventory perks. I'd suggest Terraria or Devil May Cry

>>55062681
I have a decently high drawback cap if that helps any, but I appreciate the kind words in either case.

>>55062690
Don't be afraid to speak up if you see something you'd like to criticize.

>>55062789
Mmm, I'll see what I can think up. That line was referencing how you couldn't even use the Miracle if you weren't a Sun Bro, so I thought using belief in Gwyn as a stand in would be good for keeping up with fluff.

>>55062852
That seems workable, though I would exclude fire since before burning himself in the first flame, Gwyn and his people were always noted as being more aligned with light and lightning. The Witch of Izalith and her people were always the more flame focused ones.

It was something kind of like that, yeah.

>>55062854
Glad to hear.

Well hopefully the price will be worth it since the imports, while not available in bulk, will be pretty potent.

>>55062424
Is there any reason other than just really good for First Jumpers for one to get Drifting Hollows?

>>55062872
Basically, instead of demons being reborn in the Twisting Nether due to their nature as chaotic beings born from it (which was how Sargeras managed to imprison them in Mardum to begin with), it's now attributed to the power they've siphoned from the corrupted, titanic world-soul Argus.

... on a sidenote, none of you are going to like me for the drawback tied to Order Leadership. Absolutely fucking none of you.

>>55062350
Hey senpai.
http://archiveofourown.org/works/3323000
Take the illusion that gives you enough willpower to win against illusions and you're set.

>>55062934
For Gut Instinct it sounds like your limbs may not even want to return, is there anyway you can say they are still loyal or want to be one again?

>>55062965
As I do not plan on taking it, I am cheerfully ambivalent and wholly supportive of it

>>55062965
Eh, Ill bitch when I actually see it.
Prolly wont be taking Order Leadership anyways since I was going with a Lightbringer and crafting build so my opinion is somewhat biased.

Also, god damn it blizzard just stick with one idea or something.

>>55062865
Thank you kindly. I got inspired by Val (who also told me that changing background color was even an option) so I wanted to try something easier on the eye myself.

>>55062868
Yeah, Eternal Dragon status is the plan for that scenario. Lord of Sunlight reward is currently planned to be a pretty significant chunk of Gwyn's fractured Lord Soul along with a Dukedom, similar to how Seath was rewarded for his war efforts.

>>55062904
Sure, probably something about being able to throw lightning spears.

Is Prince of the Wrathful Alabaster Forest, a good infernal name?

>>55060689
The perk's name is Hiveminded. Each body has some different quirks as a result of different bodies and senses, but they are all basically me. It's a pretty cool perk.

For more 'separated' entities, you would need to look into my Devas.

>>55062965
Is getting Mage champions going to be worth it?

>>55063015
Make it longer, so you can stab people when they are forced to say it full.

>>55063014
>Lord of Sunlight reward is currently planned to be a pretty significant chunk of Gwyn's fractured Lord Soul
Sounds great. I guess getting the rest of that soul yourself would enhance the effects, right?

>>55062965
>... on a sidenote, none of you are going to like me for the drawback tied to Order Leadership. Absolutely fucking none of you.
...It's going to be painful to get my portal world and Eredar Twins, isn't it?

>>55062424
>The downside is diseases, significant damage or corruption of what’s inside may also transfer...
Doesn't that kind of make armor pointless, seeing as how the whole point is for it to take hits instead of you? Can it turned off, so that your equipment isn't useless on occasion?

>>55063015
Sounds about right, yes.

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>>55062424
Looking Forward to completion
If only for that sweet hat

>>55062424
A few possibly weird questions but keep in mind my understanding of Dark Souls is limited and thus I am retarded.

For Bonfire Creation do I have to use human bones?

I remember that one dude in the game that kills the Bonfire Keeper for her soul; is being hunted down a concern for firekeepers? Can people in the setting just tell who his a firekeeper by looking at them?

Do Jumper bonfires go out when we are no near them? I know they die when the firekeeper dies, but does just leaving put them out?

>>55063035
Okay, how about this? Oberon le Fey Prince of the Wrathful Alabaster Forest husband of Mab, Empress of the Sorrowful Shadowy Mountains.

>>55063068
Is that a beard? Is his head shoved so far up there his beard is sticking out like that?

>>55062992
Welp.

>>55062995
>>55063034
>>55063046
It's still going to be worth it, but remember that last paragraph where it mentions the drawback tied will be what helps you get your status as the leader? Well. Canon does need to happen for many of the Orders to even begin forming, so...

https://pastebin.com/cX49cSAD

>>55062797
>who only had light in their soul were extremely susceptible to abyssal corruption since they had no experience with tolerating it.
You are saying that like there is a jumper in existence without any darkness in their soul. Or more like, many, many jumps worth of darkness.

>>55063014
Wouldn't a neat idea for the Lord of Sunlight scenario be to take the place of Gwyn (without out of jump powers, of course), and having to win the war against the dragons yourself? Of course with some handicaps, like the other Lord Soul bearers being incompetent without your help or something completely different. I like the idea though.

>>55062940
Mmmm, the idea behind that perk was to have a middleground between keeping the old respawn rules, but also making sure they didn't apply to non-human racial options since it doesn't really work with the lore. I don't think there's much reason to go for it if you're confident about survival though, so many other fun things to play with.

>>55062981
Did I phrase it that way? That wasn't my intention I assure, wanted them to function more as smart severed limbs that would try to reattach or help out the main body. It's almost like when a character in a cartoon loses their head and their body panics and runs around trying to grab it. They are all part of the same collective after all.

>>55063112
I am saddened by your lack of Astolfo lately.

>>55062187
They use it as often as hella.

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>>55063099
If there are no Orcs left to bomb Theramore, will the Goblins or Forsaken do it instead?

>>55063132
Yes.

>>55062109
They helped me get used to being a pokemon, so I helped them get used to being a human. It was fun, it was funny, it was a bonding experience.

And yeah, I paid them back with lewd. They were so insistent on not waiting until PMD was over, so I had to turn the tables on that.

>>55062934
>Mmm, I'll see what I can think up.
A exclusive Miracle gained in setting might have that requirement (absent some other ability like Dark Wisdom or This Power is Jumpers), but If you are paying for a CP version, then either the CP payment should be enough, or faith in the Benefactor (or yourself as the Benefactors chosen) would work at the very least.

>>55063140
And here I thought the universe would conspire to have me do it accidentally. Like 'inspiring' me to cast a huge AoE to stop a conventional invasion.

>>55063189
There's enough obscure ass corners in WoW to facilitate multiple threats doing the same thing

probably

>>55063042
Oh absolutely, Lord Souls are really powerful things and the more complete it is, the better it is.

>>55063059
Mmmm, yeah, I'll probably remove the damage part since your physiology is the same, just fucked up. "Disease and corruption" are basically there to show how degrading your body or soul means lessened transferred benefits. Additionally, however fucked up you might be can't lessen your equipment below its base abilities.

>>55063068
Big Hat Logan's big hat is biggest, best hat and the best fashion trend to continue into the future ages.

>>55063083
Bonfires according to the lord, iirc, are made with the bones of undead (humans) and fueled with Humanity (basically the spirit lifeblood of humans), but for the perk any old bones will work.

Lautrec killed the firekeeper because he's a giant asshole with sweet armor. Firekeepers aren't normally in much danger and can usually be identified by them being in close proximity to their bonfire, sometimes covered in ash or soot.

The bonfires you make can last for quite a while if you fuel them up before leaving them, weeks even since they burn very slowly, but they can eventually die if you leave them alone too long.

>>55063107
I mean like a metaphysical type of darkness. Humanity are a race inherently tied to darkness since 'Humanity' is the heavily fractured pieces of the original Dark Soul. Gwyn's gods and knights and stuff only have 'light' in their soul because of his Lord Soul's influence, so it's kinda like your immune system being attacked by something completely foreign.

>>55062424
Could you choose to have some speciality or domain other than sunlight as a God? It seems mostly only Gwyn and his kids are really aligned with sunlight and even then not totally. Gwynevere is a fucking moon god who does illusion magic, for instance. And then there's Flame God Flan, Caitha (tears), Kremmel (struggle), Galib (disease), Nahr Alma (blood), and of course... Velka.

>>55063099
>It's still going to be worth it, but remember that last paragraph where it mentions the drawback tied will be what helps you get your status as the leader? Well. Canon does need to happen for many of the Orders to even begin forming, so...
>https://pastebin.com/cX49cSAD
...Oh.

That's actually kind of boring, making everything futile.

Takes a good bit of the fun in messing with the story away, but otherwise doesn't actually harm me much. Not the degree of painful I was expecting.

I was kinda assuming the drawback would basically just be (a worse version of) Player Character to put you at the forefront, and making sure you'd have to go through everything.

Hm. Can we do things after the fact? Like, rebuild/resurrect after not-Garrosh's latest massacre?

>>55063111
Is asked him something like this and he said that's something he prefers to stay away from. Thinks it's cooler when you forge your own legend instead of stepping into someone else's shoes.

>>55063241
That Primordial Serpent is really cool NuBee, just wanted to say that. Also think you can spill some tidbits on what becoming an Eternal Dragon would do for us?

>>55062424
Does the accelerated time for A Nice Long Rest count for the time spent in a jump?

>>55063279
Hmm. Well, that's pretty sad then. I quite like the legend of "Jumper getting a Lord Soul and fighting against dragons". Guess I'll just get it the manual way in-jump.

>>55062424
If you want criticism, it might be better to post this on SB. Their cadre of jumpmaking experts is really top-notch.

>>55062934
>Don't be afraid to speak up if you see something you'd like to criticize.
Okay.

>“Eyes of Seath”
Could this perk have a bit of a description about how it looks or how much flexibility you have in terms of how it looks.

>Chaos Servant perks
~horrified; absolutely horrified~
Urgh, uh... moving on...

If there could be an option for an Eternal Dragon pet/companion, that would be nice.

Is there an option for teaching Sorcery/Miracles and Pyromancy to people in future jumps?

>>55063014
>Lord of Sunlight reward is currently planned to be a pretty significant chunk of Gwyn's fractured Lord Soul
Will you have to worry about it getting weakened if you advance the Cycle?

>>55063099
So, that automatically means you can't win the Garrosh scenario and similar things then?

>>55063099
>Welp.
It's not that it's a shit perk or anything, it's just that I'd rather be a third party fucking with the plot and ongoings as I choose. Also, I'll need time to train Thiccestraza so she's fully capable of taking part in my Chain.

>>55063367
You can, but someone else will go down that path instead.

Like maybe it turns out Doomhammer had a kid and that guy does it.

>>55062424
I am so hype for the chaos covenant.

>>55063404
I think the scenario required you to set either Garrosh or someone else up as an actually good warchief. Which... you wouldn't really have succeeded at if the same thing just happened again?

Then again, maybe it'll be the Alliance going of the deep end and bombing Theramore for some reason?

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>>55063111
Mmm, I'm looking to avoid giving the full Lord Souls or having you replace major characters in the lore. I'll also look for other ways to introduce difficulty other than hindering them since the thought of making these legends suddenly incompetent doesn't sit well with me.

>>55063122
Astolfo is cool but I don't post with pictures much anyways. Have a cute one though since you brought him up.

>>55063180
Mmmm, yeah, I like that idea actually. Just making it a general "faith in a higher power" type of thing, with your Benefactor potentially working as a substitute.

>>55063251
Ooooh, you know what, that does give me a cool idea actually. I'm reminded of how I gave additional rewards in some of the scenarios back in Bloodborne and I could do that here too.

The Lord of Sunlight scenario when I eventually conceptualize and flesh that out could have the big reward (Lord Soul Chunk), but for Gods who take and beat it the chunk would uplift their divinity up from the minor levels it sits at with just the origin and perks (since you're more of a really bad ass knight with it like Artorias or Ornstein) to one of the bigger name ones like you brought up.

>>55063293
I really thought they would be cool too! The idea of someone always playing shoulder demon for people in the setting and working out machinations all in order to actually help you feels like a fun concept.

Eternal Dragon status is kinda like being a drake, but you'd be bigger, stronger and basically immortal as long as you had your scales just like the legends. (That being said you'd lose it if they were peeled from your hide, and they don't really grow back very well being stone, but still, conditional immortality.)

>>55063301
Nope, while you're in there it's just the time you personally perceive that counts.

>>55063323
Nice try but no cigar.

>>55063268
Eh. There's no real way to put you at the exact forefront considering that most of the big threats are done away with by the generically-named "group of adventurers," which Player Character ensures you're going to be in that "group of adventurers" anyway among other things.

Definitely open to finding other ways to go about this, if there are any ideas.

Also yes, you can pull shit back together after the canon event happens.

>>55063189
See >>55063210
Also, don't underestimate happenstance / Blizzard's asspull-writing.

>>55063367
See >>55063404
The basic idea of the drawback is meant to be "the sequence of canon will still happen, even if it requires different names and characters involved to make them happen." Any pinpoint-writing-details I'm being hands-off with, letting people write their own shit from there.

if you make Garrosh into Good Guy Garrosh, shit is going to be asspulled to make Siege of Orgrimmar happen in a Horde Civil War, but instead of Garrosh as the final boss it's going to be Garrosh leading the charge into Orgrimmar. Ya get me?

>>55063393
Fair enough.

>>55063443
>Alliance bombing Theramore for some reason

All that has to change is for Sylvanas to show up.

>"Genn, our troops are still in there! Jaina's still in there!"
>"I'm not losing this chance to end the Banshee, Varian! Mekkatorque, fire the weapon!"
>"Are you sure-"
>"DO IT!"
>"No, don't-"

>>55063471
>Blizzard's asspull-writing.

>Metzen, we have this new character named Jumper, but no idea on what to do with them!
>Make them a new villain.
>How, we already established them as a hero!
>MAKE. THEM. A VILLAIN. EVEN IF IT'S ACCIDENTAL.

>bye-bye Theramore.

>>55063452
>Mmm, I'm looking to avoid giving the full Lord Souls
Why though. It seems like it just incentivises everyone who wants to get a Lord Soul to get it in-jump with the multitude of soul eating/stealing perks we have by now, instead of paying an appropriate price for it, or fulfilling a fitting scenario. I mean, I can understand your stance from a design perspective, but it just seems really weird. People will get Lord Souls either way, might as well make them part of the jump. At least that's my opinion on it.

>>55063452
>I really thought they would be cool too! The idea of someone always playing shoulder demon for people in the setting and working out machinations all in order to actually help you feels like a fun concept.

Yeah I really like the idea of someone doing that for me too!
We can make it so they don't have the mustache flaps right? I always thought that was pretty ugly.

>Eternal Dragon status
Huh, it is not as impressive as it sounds now that I hear it. Then again being a jumper would tend to do that I suppose.

I loved the Clutch of Eggs too, the idea I can spread them across worlds is awesome. I can see myself using it in a combo with Dragoon from FFXI. Just imagine the legions of Eternal Dragon Riders!

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>>55062424
>All the origins make you other people's servants.

>>55062777
>Integrate any Orcs willing to control themselves into Night Elf society

Night Elves won't have them. They hate any non Night Elf. Worgens are the exception because they kinda caused it. Plus they have the Druidic tradition.

Orcs are fine the way they are.

>boop Helya and force her and Odyn to actually talk about their issues

You mean the part where Odyn killed Helya & forced her to be his Valkyrie Queen against her will? Or when she finally had enough of Odyn's crap, he banishes her to a version of hell?

>>55063241
>I mean like a metaphysical type of darkness
If you mean the Dark soul that is a human soul in the setting, then all the experience being human from other settings should give you experience handling it. I consider humanity and having a human soul something that translates across settings. Or you get into Meat Robot situations.

>>55063537
NuBee is a well known sub

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>>55063503
Dont forget making them a dark villain/antihero/whatever and then inject so much LIGHT into their final design that you need more than shades to look at them

>>55062424
You have a few perks that don't work unless you purchase other things in the jump, but don't actually list those as required.

Soul Growth needs a bonfire, for example, and Resonance Rings needs Miracles. Either say they work with more general equivalents to those things, or make the other perks prerequisites.

>>55063557
Fuck you, I love my cosmic waifu

>>55063546
She exiled herself to Hell and then started stealing every mortal soul she could find, and then grew tentacles because Old Gods, and has only gotten more bitter since.

There's justified outrage, and then there's taking out your spite on people who had nothing to do with it.

The Tuskarr did nothing wrong, but the Kvaldir raided them anyway, probably on her orders.

>>55063329
Sure, I can work that in right now. The inspiration had them in columns but whatever is fine as long as they're in the face region.

Hahah, yeah. While Chaos Servant perks were super fun to think up and actually write, I knew most people would be too disgusted for them to be a popular option.

Eternal Dragons were sapient unlike drakes, so they wouldn't work as a pet, but I could probably throw one in as an OC companion on the pricier end.

Way of White has an ability for sharing "revelations" with those who will listen that can teach them Miracles. Pyromancy can be taught to anybody as long as you give them a piece of your Pyromancy Flame to start learning. I don't 'think' I have anything for Sorcery but I'll try to double check. Might have it be an upgrade that can be purchased on the Sorcery perk itself if I can't fit it in elsewhere, with the other two being teachable and all.

>>55063363
I don't believe any of the Lord Souls ever got weaker just from the passage of time. Gwyn and the Furtive Pygmy split theirs up loads of times, Nito got weaker since necromancers were siphoning his power for years while he slept, and the Witch of Izalith's was warped to shit because of her failed experimentation. I could be wrong on that though.

>>55063405
Fuck yeah bro!

>>55063471
>Ya get me?
I get you, yeah. Seems like it could actually be fun, with it basically turning the jump into a remix of the normal WoW.

The funny part is that I'd almost consider Player Character a perk, for not allowing me to miss anything.

>>55063475
...Damnit. I wanted to take Sylvanas out of the picture early, but that's too beautiful not to do.

As an aside, any guesses who they'd replace her with?

>>55063567
FUCK YOU
YOUR COSMIC WAIFU IS SHIT
A SIGHT THAT BURNS EYES
NO SERIOUSLY SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE HOPPED TOO MUCH ON THE PHOENIX FORCE AND TOOK A BATH IN THE SUN WHILE SHE WAS AT IT

>>55063471
How do you feel about a "you're voiced by Chris Metzen" drawback? Low-tier, maybe even +0, but it only does that anyway. He voices you, even if you're a girl.

>>55063573
>Divine Knight, your own loyal godly Knight.

.... Will they have the Amazing Chest Ahead and/or the Silver Knight armor. Cuz that would be awesome.

>>55063573
>Sure, I can work that in right now
Thanks. I'm glad I could help a little. The jump is shaping up to be a great one, thanks for all your hard work.

I have a question for you though, and I may be revealing myself as a complete Dark Souls noob here but, what exactly do you get from a Lord Soul anyhow? Does it make you stronger? Protect you from soemthing?

>>55063570
That's because Loken corrupted her.

>>55063648
See, this is why you kill Yogg first, but I don't know how to get back that far. Even a War of the Ancients gauntlet would be long after that happens.

>>55063580
Nathanos.

>>55063661
We're talking about hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years here aren't we?

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>>55063611
APOTHEOSIS IS AWESOME
THE PHOENIX FORCE IS AWESOME
HER CHARACTER DESIGN AND STORY ARC ARE PERFECT. PERFECT!

>>55063557
>ANGEL KERRIGAN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXWfRwMAUcI

>>55063580
Nathanas Blightcaller, who'd try to adhere to Sylvanas' original plots and guidelines as best as he could.

>>55063619
Eh, I'll think about it, sure!

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>>55063573
NuBee you offered a Royal Sentinal. AKA those two fucks that hang out right before Ornstein and Smough's boss room and not only can kick your ass but they also can heal themselves. You absolute monster.

I approve. Your also killing my CP budget with all these awesome OC companions.

I always liked the giants in the Dark Souls games, they are not dicks like most giants are and they generally prove themselves to be pretty badass.

Now if only I can companion the Giant Lord from Dark Souls 2, he's the next best thing to Yhorn.

>>55063452
>“Drifting Hollow” (100CP/Human Exclusive)
Don't charge for having the setting work the way it is supposed to. If you reform at a bonfire, then you didn't really die. It's like charging to have hospital recovery not count as death in the modern day if you were gut shot, since being gut shot meant death before modern medicine.
Permanently loosing your personality would be the death condition.
This should be free if applicable, with a CP cost to carry it into later jumps as a 1-Up.

>>55063471
For Shamans do they really have to not use their abilities too much or elementals get angry? They seem pretty weak if they constantly gotta make sure they don't anger the fickle elementals.

Also isn't the Elemental Spec Shield suppose to be the key to being the warden for Elemental Princes? Oh and can we have Doomhammer not have a shitty elemental copy? 2H Shamans > Dual Wielding.

>>55063471
>if there are any ideas

Maybe a scenario/drawback where you have to form the organization yourself and keep it alive and relevant til Legion hits? Plus a 'demons are constantly trying to fuck up your order hall and all the people in it before you can do jack shit'?

>>55063769
Nah, they can use their abilities all the time. It's just sometimes the elements have something they want a shaman to do, or at least the shaman has the goal of keeping balance'n'shit.

Rest of the time's just regular business.

And yes, the shield is the key to the Elemental Planes. Nobody honest-to-god knows how the shield unlocks them, but it's the key.

>Doomhammer not have a shitty elemental copy
LOOK AT THE MATERIAL I HAVE TO WORK WITH, MATE.
YOU THINK I WANT MY FAVORITE CLASS' ARTIFACT TO BE _THE METZENDICK_?

>>55063724
>Nathanos.
>Nathanas Blightcaller, who'd try to adhere to Sylvanas' original plots and guidelines as best as he could.
Well, guess that's settled then.

Hm. Kinda wonder what would happen if I resurrected Sylvanas properly, instead of blowing her up with Theramore as collateral (or if I do both)? I get the feeling she wouldn't react too well to that either.

>>55063819
Huh, so the hammer really is his penis

>>55063724
>>55063742
Nathanos would kill himself if he lost Slyvanas. She was/is his lover. Its why he doesn't talk down to her & she doesn't talk down to him. She's one that got him into the Ranger Academy despite it being High Elf only. She's one who worked closest with. She's one who personally brought him back.

Also she went out her way to get a living cousin so Nathanos could steal his face. Face it they're in love, always have been. Even in undeath they still have feelings for one another.

>>55063532
Mmmm, we might just have differing philosophies on this then. I really like including so many options in my Jumps, but I'm also a strong proponent of people deciding their own paths, earning the things they want with their own efforts and things like that. Even if those efforts are minimal, I like the thought of people making the decision to do something and getting it done without being told to do it.

>>55063536
Nope, moustache flaps seem to be a universal facial feature among the serpents. You could probably pick up some form of gene magic or biomancy in a later Jump to give them a metaphorical shave though.

Yeah, Jumper scale can dull expectations at times. Eternal Dragons were fucking huge, nigh unstoppable monsters though, sapient ones, and there was an entire RACE of them. It was one fuck of a war.

I know! It's so fuckin cool, I'm going to enjoy adding a few items like that, which don't give immediate benefit but introduce some kind of quest or adventure into any given world.

>>55063537
Every knight has their kingdom, big stories have small beginnings, but by no means does this mean you have the agency to do whatever you please taken from you. Pick an origin to betray it from the inside if you like.

>>55063554
If you're Jumping into Dark Souls as a God though, you don't have the human soul equivalent for this world, you get a god soul. Experience isn't really a factor here, abyssal corruption is like disease, Artorias was touted as having a will stronger than tempered steel and still fell because he didn't any real resistance to it. I think this is starting to get into ideological differences on how Jumper metaphysics work though.

>>55063834
>If you're Jumping into Dark Souls as a God though, you don't have the human soul equivalent for this world, you get a god soul
Even if you jump DS3 first?

>>55063834
Still means I have a background of being their toady and servant.

>>55063819
Stupid question, but I have to ask: if something is discounted twice for you, do you get a double discount? For instance, if you're a mage with alchemy, is the potion blood option thing extra discounted?

>>55063899
Discounts only count once. If, at the end of all the shit I have to add, it makes sense to go "okay two discounts = extra discounted / free," I'll prolly do that. At this stage right now though, plan around only one discount on a thing.

>>55063573
>-“Soul Collector” (Free/300CP)
This should not have a price at all, because of the principle of "It works out of jump the same way it works in jump"
And other abilities that can be bought with CP, or learned in setting depend on the feature.
Specifically, perks and abilities like “Mystic Ember Smith” (400CP) (And should probably be 200-300 CP instead) and “Soul Growth”

This is like going to Magicka or D&D and learning a Resurrection spell, and having a setting trait like
>Humans have souls (Free/300 CP)
In this setting humans have souls that can go to the afterlife or be resurrects with certain spells. If you want people in other setting to be considered to have souls that can be resurrected or sent to the afterlife with this settings magic, you better buy this perk!

>>55063554
Well no, because "humans" as you know them are actually a pale reflection of the gods caused by a curse Gwyn placed on the ancient pygmies that hides their true form and nature.

Also Humanity/the Dark Soul is different than a normal soul with humans having both.

>>55063532
>>55063834
Aren't we forgetting that anyone going in as an undead/human would have a lord soul already? The Dark Soul can feed and grow or simply be honed to power that rivals any god.

>>55063834
Hey NuBee, does Seath's Studies enhance out of setting magic as well? It mentions how you can turn Sorcery into Crystal Sorcery, so could we do the same thing with other types of magic?

>>55063819
>The Metzendick
>Not dual-wielding Horse Wieners from Disgaea
Mediocore!

>>55063826
Slyvanas loves being undead. In life she was just a Ranger-General. She had middle child syndrome. Everyone was talking about her older sister. If they weren't talking about her, High Elf society was talking about the younger sister.

Slyvanas got dirty looks because she brought Nathanos into their super secret clubhouse. She also got dirty looks because she was a no nonsense leader who was willing put the needs of the many over the needs of the few.

When she broke free of Arthas she got all the power she wanted. She became Queen of an entire kingdom. Something she always wanted.

She built the cult of personality around herself & she became super important to everyone. They in return kept her from going into the cold dark night. The Forsaken are happy to actually be wanted.

Before majority them were just farmers, villagers, lowly soldiers. Loderon didn't give a rats ass about them. They were more than happy to kill them again, loot their graves, & take their land because they just happen to have a heartbeat. She gave them a will to keep on existing. Even if she's using them for her own selfish reasons.

>>55063941
Finally! Someone else who can truly be called a dual-wielder.

>>55063834
>If you're Jumping into Dark Souls as a God though, you don't have the human soul equivalent for this world, you get a god soul.
Assuming jumping into a setting as a god or something else inhuman takes away prior humanity is dumb. If a setting has soulless demons as a setting thing, I don't assume being a demon in that setting means I suffer the effects of being soulless, because I have human souls from prior jumps. the Dark soul is the quality of being human. I ALREADY have that quality, having brought it in from many, many prior jumps. I don't need to have a Dark Soul in this setting to have the quality of being human. Grasping a Dark soul in the setting should NOT overwhelm me, because my humanly is something that transcends any single jump.

You are starting to cross a line form saying how your jump setting should work to my specific chain should be run.

>>55063566
Soul Growth can use in-setting bonfires and Firekeepers get Bonfire Creation as a free perk. It only becomes an issue for those buying it out of origin and the downsides are obvious enough that they should go without saying.

Resonance Rings is reliant on Miracles, but because I had some perks tied to the magical arts I made those perks extra cheap. Additionally, learning Miracles within the setting is exceedingly easy.

>>55063632
All gods are pretty or awesome as far as I've seen, and pretty much all the normal knights have silver knight armor sooo probably yes to both.

>>55063644
No problem, I'm enjoying talking to people about this. I should be thanking you guys for taking the time to respond.

Lord Souls were pulled from the First Flame, and the original holders, Lord Gwyn, Gravelord Nito, The Witch of Izalith, and the Furtive Pygmy were all either extremely powerful in their time or extremely influential in shaping the world.

Lord Gwyn's armies were responsible for slaying the giant bad ass dragons, the Witch and her daughters wove giant firestorms to burn the homelands of the dragons, Nito basically introduced the concept of death and the Furtive Pygmy split his up into so many pieces that he spawned the human race.

>>55063752
Yes I did and they are too fucking cool not too.

I'm happy people are enjoying those concepts.

Yeah, Dark Souls Giants are basically the opposite of dicks, they're always among the nicest, most peaceful or victimized beings.

>>55063756
The problem with that is we've always operated on "You die, you fail" barring any form of insurance even if death isn't usually an obstacle for people in setting, and you definitely die in the game when you die, not go unconscious. It pops up in big letters "You died" to clarify this fact. Making it free automatically makes all human based origins much safer than non-human origins, thus the small price.

>>55063996
>No problem, I'm enjoying talking to people about this. I should be thanking you guys for taking the time to respond.
Well then, 'you're welcome'. Fufufu

>History of the Lord Souls
I still feel very fuzzy about what they actually *do* for you.

>>55063911
>and having a setting trait like
>>Humans have souls (Free/300 CP)
That would be neat, actually. The ability to force Souls to exist on a metaphysical scale in explicitly materialistic universes.

>>55063452
>Mmmm, yeah, I like that idea actually. Just making it a general "faith in a higher power" type of thing, with your Benefactor potentially working as a substitute.
So we have to be religious to get this? We can't just have cool ass sun/lightning spears that don't have wonky requirements?

Miracles in canon definitely don't require actual faith to use, the main source of miracles in DS2 barely played lip service to faith while them to make bank.

>>55063914
>The Dark Soul can feed and grow
You have to either absorb a ton of humanity (like the Four Kings) or eat abnormally large chunks of the Dark Soul (as in Gael) for that. Neither of which is easy and both of which are likely to mutate you into crazy Abyss monsters.

>when the jumpmaker likes your combo enough to approve it in person

It's a good feeling.

>>55063996
>The problem with that is we've always operated on "You die, you fail" barring any form of insurance even if death isn't usually an obstacle for people in setting
But we haven't?
Thus looks more like a case of "are you your body" Like how one of the True Magics can make you able to exist without a body at all. Having one and it getting destroyed isn't killing you, its damaging the Meat Suit you were wearing. And that isn't the only thing in jump chain that can make killing you take something beyond the physical realm, like being a ghost.

Since Undead came in with the linking of the fire, and reform at bonfires, it's more like their life is bound to the fire, not their bodies.

>>55062109
It wasn't nearly as disorienting for Riolu to be given a human form as it was for Ulrich to be downgraded from a 5head to a mere 4head.

>>55063991
See >>55063912

Humanity and the Dark Soul are pieces of a Lord Soul. They're separate from the normal souls that everyone explicitly has.

>>55064025
The Lord Souls basically grant their wielders a fuck ton of power in their aspects.

Gwyn was able to strike down dragons by harnessing the Light Soul's light into spears. It probably would make you better at manipulating Light and electricity.

The Witches fire souls made her excellent with fire, to the point where she and her daughters founded the art of controlling it in the Dark Souls world. It would make you better and controlling fire.

Nito's soul gave him power over death, he could rot away gigantic trees and could reanimate the dead. Assume if you possess it that your Necromancy and Death/Curse powers receive a massive boost.

We don't know much about the Dark Soul, but assuming if you possess a semi complete one your Dark aligned powers such as hexes would receive a ridiculous amount of power.

The true power of the Lord Souls however is that they could be split up and distributed, Gwyn gave parts of the soul to all his followers, the Witch gave it to all her daughters, Nito have it to no one but himself, and the Pygmy basically created humanity from his souls fragments.

If your confused that's fine Dark souls is vague about this stuff too.

>>55063819
Never understood their obsession with making Shammies into Dual Wielders. We have Warriors & Rogues from Vanilla. Also now we have Monk, Demon Hunter, Frost Death Knight.

Only Melee that doesn't dual wield is Arms & Prot Warriors, Pallies, Survival Hunters, & Non-Frost DKs. Making Enhancement into a Tank spec would've been better than to make it into another Melee DPS.

Giving them an elemental shield with Doomhammer would've been awesome. I mean we need more tanks in the game.

Prot Pally/Warrior, Frost DK (or is it Blood?), Brewmaster, & Vengence DH.

>>55064037
>That would be neat, actually. The ability to force Souls to exist on a metaphysical scale in explicitly materialistic universes
Check out Wild Magic in the Obsidion Tower trilogy, and a perk to give souls to NPC's in Alterworld D. Rus.

>>55064128
Thanks anon.

>>55063996
>>55064043
No she did have faith, faith in money (souls).

>>55060894
Just the way I format things, prefer having every section start at the top of the page for ease of use, that way you can skim through the pages and have all the important sections have their names at the top. Also just plain looks nicer and it's hardly sacrificing much either. At most it means you need to press right instead of holding down for a second.

I put them at 500 because I think they;re good enough compared to the 400s that they shouldn't be discounted.

Er, I'm really not sure why this is being mentioned. What's the difference between saying he or she or son or daughter here? They can both refer to either and since the canon base for these were women, I just decided to use that.

>>55062878
Looks good. Only adjustment I'd say it needs is more detail on how the sucking into the world works, like how one might dodge or block it or if there's a cost involved with that use.

>>55063991
>Grasping a Dark soul in the setting should NOT overwhelm me, because my humanly is something that transcends any single jump.
Just being a human doesn't even prevent that, though. The Four Kings were exceptionally badass humans and just some pieces of it fucked them up real hard. Gael was stronk enough to get through everything you did in The Ringed City and it fucked him up. Hell, Manus was THE PRIMEVAL MAN, and look how it went for him.

>>55064135
Blood are the DK tanks.

>>55064119
>>55063912
And yet the age of dark is supposed to be the age of humanity.
The Dark soul is what made the pygmies into humans, and every human has a piece of that Dark Soul, because it IS their soul. Which is why it getting spent is bad for humans.

>>55064153
So it's more like D&D "faith" than actual faith in a higher power?

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>>55064153
.... Did Anna cross over into Dark Souls?

>>55063890
In that case you do since you've been a human in a different Dark Souls Jump, yeah.

>>55063894
Not necessarily. There's all manner of reasons with siding with these different sides or maintaining loyalty, and you're dropping in so long after things have decayed that your origin might have never had much contact with a greater order or whatever.

>>55063911
That is getting a price because it's not any kind of ability, it's just the natural metaphysics of the world. It'd be like expecting Destiny to act like Ed, Edd & Eddy's cartoon physics just because you've been there. When you buy it, you're not enforcing some ability for things to have souls, you're getting the ability to be rewarded with souls or boss souls as they work in Dark Souls, even when those things in other settings don't have them.

Mystic Ember Smith explicitly lists spiritual energy as sufficient alternatives to normal souls, and looking back I didn't seem to make that distinction for Soul Growth, which will be changed.

>>55063914
That's more the development of a small shred into something great and powerful instead of starting with the full thing out of the gate.

>>55063926
Like learning to make crystal magics or spells for other magic systems? Sure.

>>55063991
I don't know how to talk with you. Dark Soul Humans do not work like other humans in other settings. They don't look like them outside of Gwyn's curse, they have a metaphysical connection to darkness, if pushed they warp into monstrous abyss beasts.

It's like insisting that being a god in another setting gives your soul light abilities in Dark Souls since they're both called gods. You also keep pushing this idea that a human's soul is only made if humanity when there are other elements at work like normal souls.

YOU are the one pushing how your preferences work with having all humans equivalent and getting those abilities for being humans in the past when you don't start as them racially in a new setting.

>>55064156
OH GOD

HE'S PUTTING HIS ABYSS IN MY CATACOMBS

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>>55062609
Personally I'm struggling between being an ETERNAL DRAGON or the Lord of Sunlight. The latter would retcon a lot more of my build, because originally my dragon form resembling Kalameet a lot was not a coincidence.

>>55064191
From the looks of that woman faith in anything should work; faith in a god, faith in yourself, faith in an ideology, faith in a concept, or like the miracle saleswoman in DS2 even faith in money.

>>55064204
Why no faith perk for always counting as super faithful?

>>55064155
>Er, I'm really not sure why this is being mentioned. What's the difference between saying he or she or son or daughter here?
The implied gender change?
Not everyone want to Be The Little Girl all the time Valeria.
And specifying a gender in a drawback or Scenario would make you that gender by default, since changing earlier choices to fit the scenario is something scenarios have done in the past.

>>55063996
>It only becomes an issue for those buying it out of origin
You shouldn't need to purchase another perk just to use something that costs 200 CP post-jump. Unless they require other purchases, perks should be self-contained.

>>55064214
I think you messed up the picture again anon, you should really change that.

>>55064190
>age of humanity
Yep, it casts the world into millenia of darkness in which time does not truly exist and all humans become decayed immortal zombie things that may or may not be sentient (and that's if they're lucky). Sounds a lot like how humanity works in other settings, huh?

>The Dark soul is what made the pygmies into humans,
Not it isn't. It's what made those primordial zombie things into Pygmies. The Pygmies were then bound to mortal forms and cloaked in forms that resembled the gods when Gwyn cast the Darksign upon them. Becoming humanity as you know them.

>>55064075
Nope, feeding on regular souls works just fine.

>>55064257
There's no gender change implied. It's just not saying 'he' or 'son' as it might usually. If it was a gender change, it'd say so. I'd say you're just being a bit oversensitive.

I mean shit, otherwise most jumps refer to you as either neutral or using male pronouns so female jumpers are a little screwed if those auto change and lock your gender right?

Besides, it's an item, not a drawback or scenario.

Are there any perks specifically for writing over airtight contracts or making deals that people can't use to screw you over?

>>55064307
>over
Ignore this word.

>>55064257
>not being a Daughter (male)

>>55064284
No, that increases the power of your soul, not your Humanity.

If normal souls fed your Humanity, I wouldn't have spent most of the first two games looking like a gross beef jerky man.

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>>55064156
>Gael was stronk enough to get through everything you did in The Ringed City and it fucked him up.
Gael not only survived the Ringed City, he survived since the First Age of Fire. Meaning he has gone through multiple cycles of the world, numerous deaths, and still managed to retain his sense of self through all that bullshit to reach the absolute end of time, and the Dark Soul still fucks him up.

>>55064043
I'm midly confused why you seem to be opposed when you proposed that solution. You'll need some type of faith to power your Miracles.

That lady killed a cleric and was just selling her shit iirc. She wasn't necessarily great with the shit she was selling.

(I gotta go help with more moving soon, so I'll try to make time for a couple more rounds of questions and get back to you guys later.)

>>55064328
Also just gonna point this out: In one of his descriptions, Gael explicitly calls himself out for having a weakass, piddly soul.

>>55064343
>when you proposed that solution.
I'm a different anon.
>She wasn't necessarily great with the shit she was selling.
She primarily uses miracles if you fight her.

>>55064245
I didn't really think to add one.

>>55064259
What would you propose?

>>55064376
That's my bad then.

Alrighty then, fair game.

>>55064343
Not that guy, but if you do the Scenario where you get a chunk of Gwyn's soul, would it be fair to say that you could throw around lightning bolts with your bare hands and force of will at that point?

>>55064395
Yes, yes it would absolutely be fair.

>>55064411
Okay, thanks.

>>55064307
One of the mercenary perks in Fire Emblem Archanea can do that.

>>55064393
Either make Bonfire Creation a prerequisite, or make it more generally usable at "fires" as you did for A Nice Long Rest and the Lordvessel.

>>55064458
The first doesn't really change the situation, but the second is a good solution since I'm already doing that with the others.

>>55064204
>That is getting a price because it's not any kind of ability, it's just the natural metaphysics of the world.
So, you are saying Jumpers shouldn't be able to build Star Trek ships outside the setting, since I'm pretty sure physics to allow them to work don't exist in normal settings. And note the Star Wars jump DON'T have an explicit "You can have this systems physics work else elsewhere" perk.

Jumpers either assume that if they took the effort to learn it in the setting, they can use it elsewhere thanks to the benefactor. Because some people like to think their jumper can be more than just their CP expenditure. Or if they don't assume that setting stuff carries over without CP, that buying something with CP that relies on the settings metaphysics will carry that setting metaphysics into later jumps.

The perks like Soul Growth operate on the underlying assumption that you CAN accumulate spiritual essence/souls to reinforce/grow other souls. (Or they would not exist in the first place) THAT PERK BY ITSELF needs to be sufficient for it to work in other jumps. Because that is what other jumps have been assuming for a long time. You are intentionally creating a perk that does not work in later jumps the way it works in Dark Souls without yet another tacked on perk as an CP tax. And that is just bad design, and muddies the waters on how many previous jump that DON'T make this assumption you are making are supposed to work.

>>55064449
Perfect, thank you.

>>55063996
>Lord Souls were pulled from the First Flame, and the original holders,
>Lord Gwyn, Gravelord Nito, The Witch of Izalith, and the Furtive Pygmy

So if I understand this right we will in some way or another be able to rebuild/reclaim the full might of the first flame?

>>55062424
With Ancient Tradition, can we choose not to grow? That'd quickly become a hassle.

>>55064496
Would standing in a room of mirrors with Gross Incandescence let you use your own light to power “Praise The Sun"?

>>55064533
MAKE ANOR LONDO GREAT AGAIN!

Do we have any perks that would allow a less faithful jumper to pass the Green Knight's test scenario in the Brettonia jump? Most of it can be solved by jumper being jumper but that last part. . .

>>55064630
And make the hollows pay for it!

And if they don't pay for it, we'll just shut down Lordran until we can dupe one douche into getting a soul powerful enough to fuel it for a few centuries!

>>55062797
That makes me wonder if we have any perks that allow chosen actions to propagate through parallel worlds. Kind of demoralizing to know that for every deed you perform, there are many worlds where nothing's changed.

>>55064290
>Besides, it's an item, not a drawback or scenario
The Bami Tree scenario specified "You’re rich, powerful and raised to one day be one of the strongest women in the world"
I only bothered to mention it because you did specify a gender in a drawback or scenario.
Just like it saying you are "rich and powerful" means you are in fact rich and powerful, if you take the scenario, the fact that it says you were "raised to one day be one of the strongest women in the world," means you were, in fact, "raised to one day be one of the strongest women in the world."

And might be embarrassing if you are in fact a guy. So, maybe change that if it was not your intention?

>>55064672
You can always be a Woman (male).

Is the Lord Protector Cromwell available as a Servant? What should their Noble Phantasm be? Should they saberface?

>>55064655
I tell ya what we gonna do. We're gonna build a big, beautiful seal of fire with the Ringed City. We're gonna have a fire deficet of 50 billion pyres, and the seal of fire's gonna cost a fraction of that.

Crooked Manus thinks he can hide from the #FourKnightsofGwyn by taking a nap in a hole! SAD!

>>55064077
where did you two meet? was it a dead drop situation or was it comfier?

>>55064672
Oh, that. Well, you quoted an item originally.

Anyway, it's just a word. Seriously, it's the same as not expecting a scenario that mentions 'he' to make any female jumper a boy. If it was making you a woman, I'd make it explicitly inform you that you were being genderbended. Not just have it be one word.

>>55064684
>You can always be a Woman (male).
Heh.
And currently, you are.
>In Bami family, Everyone gets raised to be Strong Woman(TM)
>EVERYONE!

>>55064630
>>55064655
>>55064710

Hrmph! I could care less about the political workings of furitive pygmies! I just want to know how much glorious Light/Dark/Life/Death magic I can get before I leave the jerkyman infested pit.

>>55062881
Dragons WERE a bad idea, though.

>>55064709
Yes.

>>55064818
And killing the person he treated as a daughter (among countless other vrykul women), only to forcibly enslave their soul(s) as a glorified taxi for the other souls of dead warriors, is somehow better?

>>55063112
Drifting Hollows isn't worth the points though, that's a bad thing to do with perks.

>>55064275
The time thing is a fanwank on your part, remember that we only see the lead up to the fire dying, never an age of dark.

And considering Pygmies had a grand civilization before being crippled into humans, the idea that they'd be unintelligent is retarded of you.

>>55064204
>Not necessarily.
Being their servant is being their servant. Their reasons are meaninglss.

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>>55064845
This is Odyn we're talking about, man.

I'm not saying he's convinced that he's the best thing to happen since sliced bread, but his ego is pretty fucking bloated.

>>55062424
>mfw

>>55064322
Senpai you need to use Dark Sorcery in your build some time. Its power increases with your soul.

>>55064328
>>55064363
Yeah, Gael is a weak man with a strong will. Someone stronger than him would be able to handle the Dark Soul better.

>>55063963
Now she uses them as meat shields because she's afraid of death. She goes so far as to damn other souls (being undead at any point means you go to the void when you die, so anyone who rejects her offer is instantly damned) just so she can prop up her faction.

>>55065035
b-b-but muh dead elf waifu

>>55065035
>trying to argue with Sylvanas fanboys

They'd take their balls being stomped on if she was the one doing it. There's no point.

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Halfway done with perk outlines on Xenoverse because I am a stubborn cat. I'm taking suggestions on items or undiscounted perks. Since this is mostly a fanservice game to DBZ, the perks are mainly 1/2/4/6 with a lot of side options as opposed to me trying to cover several years of canon history in one jump.

Also, open to scenario and drawback ideas if anyone wants to pitch those in. Inb4 'Guru's House Is Under Attack!' drawback.

>>55065093
A perk to make you Omnipotent, because apparently we're okay with that now.

>>55065093
I'd rather there not be scenarios, actually.

It's basically just "get free shit if you write a thing, which you prolly won't."

>>55065103
If you dislike JumpChain's direction, you're welcome to find a different CYOA community.

For the record, there's /cyoag/ and TowerGirls. Your selection isn't big.

>>55065103
We're also okay with you dying in a fire, so why don't you go do that?

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>>55064204
>Mystic Ember Smith explicitly lists spiritual energy as sufficient alternatives to normal souls
Why? That's a retarded fanwank with no support in the canon.

>>55065104
So Jumpchain is just a list of builds to you? Heck, even with just being a list of builds, you don't account for things you learn on your own, you only let yourself have what you bought with CP?

>>55065126
I think it so the perk has use post-Jump?

>>55065104
No, it's more "you get shit if you complete something above and beyond the usual scope of the jump, usually ending your chain if you fail". It's way less "free" than anything you can get by "spending" the 1000 Cheat Points you get just for showing up.

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>>55065103
Tea doesn't really play that much of a role in Dragon Ball, though.
>>55065104
Hmm. You're right. What I should do instead is write several paragraphs detailing the exact circumstances you acquire stuff, while explaining what opposition you'll be facing and the sort of allies you'll have available.

I'll call it 'Storyline'.

>>55065093
Xenoverse
>(And for the viewers at home, due to the recent glut of Dragonball Jumps, the Judges have secretly REPLACED HeavensAnon's Expected Xenoverse with XENOSAGA instead. Lets see what happens when he finds out!)

>>55065136
You can just take people's souls.

>>55065126
Yeah, how dare he do what many other jumps do.

>>55065093
Guru's House Is Under Attack! drawback.

Our own pad outta time. Our own city. Uuuuuh. A laboratory for studying the demonic sciences? One of those weird time eggs that may or may not contain what will become the GT timeline? A regular time machine? You know, the ones Bulma builds, not the scrolls. Also, time scrolls. A big stupid gate. A city.

>>55064290
Daughter is explicitly a term to refer to females.

>>55065116
Isn't there also AMG?

>>55064714
Words have meanings.

>>55065131
Way to take what I said entirely out of context.

I'm all for that, but let the fucker earn it themselves without jump-writer coddling or CP fiat bullshit.

Course, I know I'm in a fucking minority with that.

>>55065182
See >>55065116 , dipshit.

>>55065126

And as for your ass, that's been in Dark Souls as a ruling since it was first released.

You are two, nearly two-and-a-half years too late to start bitching.

>>55064533
Trying to do that just makes things worse. The message of the game is to not hold onto the past.

>>55065104
I'd rather call you stupid.

>>55064845
No, dragons still suck though.

>>55065182
Yes, you are. You're a limit-wanking cunt.

And guess what. You aren't wanted.

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>>55065159
>A laboratory for studying the demonic sciences?
Yes, this is good

>>55065093
You know what would be a cool perk? Being able to pose like a member of the Ginyu Force, and being able to train a team, both to be an elite force and to pose as well as you do. Call it the Jumper Force. And a cool scenario idea would be one that would let you get your own Big Gete Star and an army of robo yous, but all of your robot clones, when defeated/destroyed, scream about how the Big Gete Star allowed them to cheat death, how could this be?!

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>>55065093
Can we purchase an item that's just all the outfits from the DB series in addition to accessories like working halos, tails, horns, and costumes that make you look like stuff (such as the ssj4 and oozaru suits)?

One of the coolest things about Xenoverse is the character customization, and there's no guarantee that all the in-game purchasable clothing is actually canonically something available in Toki Toki, and that wouldn't apply to the halos and suits etc anyway.

>>55065093
>>55065256
Ah, I forgot to add. Obviously this stuff wouldn't give you any actual stat advantages to make up for it being cheap/reasonably priced. It's just dress up gear.

>>55065104
I'd rather people not get CP, actually. It's literally just free shit.

>>55065194
>as a ruling
But why?

>>55065181
But OBVIOUSLY the part where is says you are rich and powerful is meant to be taken literally, and the past where you were raised to be a strong woman isn't. Even though they are in the same scenario, in the same sentence even.

Stupid Baka, how can you not know all these perfectly valid rules that exist in Valeria's head and are completely valid and legitimate and not made up at all!

>>55065195

You misunderstand my intent. I don't want to save the world at all, I want sweet Lord's Magic. Mostly Nito's but if I can get the full set I really want to do so.

>>55065256
>Time Patroller's Wardrobe

Do want. We need more fashion in here.

>>55065093
A store that follows you and allows you to purchase techniques from a setting. Nothing super good or unique, but still some pretty good stuff. For example, something like Shadow Clones in Naruto. If that's still unbalanced, maybe it's purchasing a scroll or book or whatever that has knowledge of the technique that you have to learn?

>>55065285
>But why?
Buy why not?
You are the one bitching about an old old ruling, Get off your ass and make an actual argument maybe?

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>>55065093
> open to scenario and drawback ideas
I want a scenario/drawback where the Supreme Kai of Time, Chronoa, likes you. And to express this affection, she cooks for you. All the time.

Her cooking skills are abyssmal. Her food is spoken of in hushed tones and euphemisms. It is the stuff of war crimes. It bypasses perks.

If you ever tell her the truth about her food, or refuse to eat it for any reason -- even if you've evolved beyond the need of food, she will cry. All other characters, while completely understanding, will still be extremely disappointed in you for the rest of your stay. And talk about it and put you down constantly. Because you made the Supreme Kai of Time cry.

But. If you somehow make it through the jump without ever letting her know how absolutely terrible her cooking is or making her cry, she will teach you her secret cooking technique, which will allow you to inflict this pain on others.

Chronoa is an old hag. Old Kai says she's the second oldest being alive, only 1000 years younger than he is and that they knew each other before he was sealed away. That makes her around 75 million years old.

>>55065355
It's not canon.

>>55065379
Reminder that Jumpers can be that age or older as well. If you take Alcor's place in DeSu 2, you're old enough to have invented fire. Not discovered it, invented it, along with civilisation, music, and language.

>>55065323
You can take the Lord Souls and just let the flame die. The Dark Soul existed in the Age of Fire, it was just weaker. Same should happen with the other three Souls.

>>55065361
I think he already has a scenario where she picks you instead of Trunks to form the Time Patrollers, so that seems like it would be part of that scenario since you two would be spending a lot of time together.

>>55065379
Wow, that's fucking pathetic. They live in a universe that's over fourteen billion years old and ~75 million is the age of the oldest entity in existence? Maybe that would be acceptable in a world with realistic physics where they have to struggle against entropy, but these are godlike chi manipulators. What happened to all the older ones that these youngsters are all that's left? Was there some kind of great war in heaven that killed them all off?

>>55065347
Just make it a store that offers techniques of everyone you beat in a fight, or who you convinced to take you as a pupil. Give it some limitations like requiring you to know lesser techniques of a given style before you can learn more advanced ones. Maybe require some sort of basic quest be undertaken to learn the master-level techniques.

Just a spitball.

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>>55065149
Alright, lemme ju-hey wait, where did all these mecha come from? Why are there space whales? Why is Jesus a tan albino?! WHO THE FUCK IS KEVIN
>>55065159
Noted. [spoilers]Ugh. I know Time Machines and whatnot make perfect sense here and we've broken the time travel barrier a while ago, but god damn it I still hate the trope itself. I'll probably cave in and include it if I can't think of anything else.[/spoiler]
>>55065228
>>55065256
Noted.
>>55065347
Could be neat!
>>55065361
Sounds more like a drawback. But consider. The primary scenario of Xenoverse is that you take the place of Trunks and become the co-founder of the Time Patrol alongside Chronoa and have to build the organization from the ground up, and fight an even more difficult and grueling version of both Xenoverse games.

So imagine. Taking that drawback and this scenario together, and having to endure her personal attention and 'made for Jumper' dishes all the way to the end.

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>>55065361
Cat why would you suggest this

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>>55065415
And I fucked up the spoiler. I am truly the smartest jumpmaker

>>55065411
Kais are mortal for the most part. They die after a few million years and new ones are born. Old Kai and Chronoa are exceptions because of their unique circumstances and role, respectively, but even then Chronoa replaced a previous Supreme Kai of Time (who left for reasons unknown.)

>>55065412
Oh, that's a good idea.

>>55065415
Hey, Heavens, I'd like to point out that this anon >>55065412 had a good idea for that.

>>55065412
>>55065458
Whoops, could have sworn I replied to that one. Yeah, that's a good idea. I'll see if I can toss it in there somewhere.

>>55065415
Time Travel is usually what writers bust out when they are feeling lazy. It can be done well but many of the times when I see it it's done not so well.

>>55065389
>But meh cannon!
Neither is a Jumper showing up in Darksouls, or taking abilities from Dark Souls into other settings.
Get off your lazy ass and make a BETTER argument.

Use your words, Anon!
USE YOUR WORDS

>>55065432
Doesn't make it any less pathetic. What kind of godlike being can't figure out how to extend their life span with a million years to work on it? Well, Kyubey, I guess, but we're not in Madoka Magika right now.

>>55065492
Kyubey totally did, though. It's just that his method involved turning a bunch of teenage girls into liches.

>>55065389
It's not not canon, either.

>>55065296
So do you also think everytime something says he it makes all girl jumpers into boys? You do, right?

>>55065394

DS lore is confusing. I thought the lord's souls were the flame split four ways? so if I brought them together in my blind pursuit of unlimitedpower.jpg I would have the full flame?

>>55065527
They were born from the flame, but the flame is a separate thing.

>>55065492
Anon, this is Dragonball. Literally no one in the entire setting is capable of actually thinking. You can't have the level of supertech and loose metaphysics present in Dragonball and also write intelligent characters, because intelligent characters would notice those things and use them to totally break the system.

Also Toriyama isn't interested in writing about clever protagonists optimizing systems. He writes comedy and fights. Everything that isn't those two things is used to justify the existence of those two things.

>>55065507
No, Kyubey didn't. The Incubators didn't discover anentropic energy through scientific investigation of the principles of physics as they understood them, they just lucked into finding a species that coincidentally happened to violate the laws of nature. I think that's why the Incubators are so insistent on harvesting humanity instead of other solutions, despite them having a hundred trillion years to think of alternatives in. They know they can't actually do it, that their science is too shitty to get the job done.

>>55064818
Dragons are never a bad idea, anon.

>>55065569
>They know they can't actually do it, that their science is too shitty to get the job done.

I think it was less a question of "their" science and more a question of science as a whole. They ran out of physics to study and only by pure good luck did they happen to live in a universe with a loophole that allowed for magic to violate physics under very specific circumstances.

They just decided that it would be more convenient to farm humanity into fulfilling those circumstances than try to fulfill them themselves.

>>55065592
All but one of the original aspects got corrupted, and even she was imprisoned and forced to help evil.

Could someone please post or upload generic isekei? Its not on drive.

>>55065522
>everytime something says he
I think perk descriptions don't need to use he, she, man, or woman at all when referring to the jumper.
Jumper can be used, or you and your.
It's almost like the English language has gender neutral terminology for when referring to someone of uncertain gender! HOW AMAZING!
But thanks for pointing out the that Val has messed it up both ways!

>>55065532

I suppose that makes things simpler... less assembly required.

>>55065569
>them having a hundred trillion years

Wait wut? Since when were the incubators that old?

>>55065610
Jumpmakers aren't obligated to cater to your grammar preferences, anon. If you want all jumps to be written in second person, that is fine. But you should not expect other people to care about what you want.

>>55065569
I always thought the reason why they're insistent on the Witch System is because they're lazy and it's easy. I mean, just think about it. Most girls would leap at the chance to become a magical girl even without also being granted a wish. Sure, they'll have to fight monsters, but everyone knows magical girls always prevail over evil with the power of love and justice! Too bad this isn't that kind of story, eh?

Actually, on that note, I wonder if the Incubators have a hand in Magical Girl anime being a thing in-universe?

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>>55065415
> So imagine.
Yes. This is exactly the pain I wish to inflict.

>>55065429
> Cat why would you suggest this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiPX-Rcv5ls

>>55065632
Considering that the Incubators modified themselves into being a race of unkillable, emotionless thought-beings, I kinda doubt that they have the capacity to even be lazy.

>>55065522
Val is lazy, news at 11. Why are you still bringing this up?

>>55065604
>Its not on drive
Because the jumpmaker dropped a new version with huge changed and then decided he didn't feel like talking to anyone about the jump right now. It not supposed to be on the drive right now anon.

do an archive search on 4 plebs or something if you can't be bothered clicking the previous thread link a few times.

>>55065600
Same thing, though, really. Either way, the point is that they know they can't figure out this weird branch of exotic physics called "magic", and the best they can do is take advantage of naturally-occurring resources. Because they're not good enough scientists to do it on their own. Bunch of punk-ass little rabbit-cats, dooming our species because they're shitty at math.

>>55065621
>Wait wut? Since when were the incubators that old?
They're not. The universe is only fourteen billion years old. Unless they come from an earlier universe (in which case, they wouldn't be worried about heat death because they could just go to the next universe after ours), they can't be that old. But they've got a hundred trillion years before the heat death of the universe starts. Not a hundred trillion years until the universe dies from heat death, a hundred trillion years before the death process starts. Final death of the universe won't take place for a long time after that.

>>55065610
>>55065629
Correct English grammar is to use masculine (increasingly archaic) or gender neutral (modern) pronouns to refer to people. Using gendered pronouns at all implies the jumper's sex, but because of how English works in regards to masculine pronouns, feminine pronouns actually are far more definitive in defining your sex than masculine ones.

>>55065629
>grammar preferences
>HULK SPEAK HOW HULK LIKE. YOU NO LIKE HOW HULK SPEAK YOU NO SHOULD LISTEN HULK. PREPOSITIONS ELITIST TOOL TO OPPRESS HULK. HULK GOOD. ENGLISH BAD. HULK KNOW MORE GOODER STUPID GRAMMAR GUY!

>>55065706
Our universe really is quite young in its development.

>>55065715
>but because of how English works in regards to masculine pronouns
I think Valeria is a C or D in English IRL.
She doesn't care, and doesn't want to care.

>>55065755
Yeah. There's that "cosmic calendar" thing, where the age of the universe is illustrated by comparing the history of the universe to a year and then showing that humanity's entire existence would be only the last second of the last minute of December 31st. But the entire timeline up to now is going to just be just that, but in reverse. The first second of the first minute of January 1st. There's so much more to happen before this cosmos ends.

>>55065680
If anon does an archive binge, all they'll find is that your worthless bitch-ass was the only one who wasn't fine withthe change. Not every criticism needs to be addressed, consensus just needs to be reached, which was solidly against you. Kys.