Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

When do thousand sons get their codex

8th edition is pretty bland so far. Maybe the DG and 1kSons codexes will spice things up, if they don't, I may be focusing on other hobbies for the next few years.

>>55019901
Dunno

>>55019905
Excellent blog my friend. How do I subscribe?

>>55019905
>8th is bland
>maybe if we add more bland it would make it better
Marinefags are so retarded.

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Why should Tyranids use any other HQs?

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>>55019905

Have the Lamenters made an appearance post-Baal or are they all dead?

>>55019930
Anon, I'm not a marinefag. However, DG and 1kSons are unique in the confirmed codexes so far. Every other codex confirmed for release this year (currently only Ad Mech I think) has a large index component to it. Since GW seems to only be copying and pasting the indexes, changing a few details, and adding about 7 uninteresting faction bonuses, I'm not optimistic about anything that I know has a large index intry.

DG and 1KSons don't though. They have a few special units in the index, and that's about it. They already are a subfaction, so GW's established pattern of laziness isn't going to work in releasing a full codex.

If DG and 1KSons work out, it will give me hope for future detailed subfaction codexes, like a potential Ynnari codex, a farsight Enclaves codex, a Dark Mechanicus codex, and on and on.

I've pretty much resolved not to play the official 8th edition until the Orks codex shows up. Losing so many fluffy and fun pieces along with the points cost increases really has made Orks so one-dimensional it's actually not fun. "hur hur dur dur I throw over a hundred dice at you when I charge with my slugga boyz herpderpderp" over and OVER again is fucking BORING.

>>55019950
Because I need a flyrant to have an all flying army

>>55019905
No major loss, if you're not enjoying it then play something else, noone's stopping you pal

>>55019961
Probably won't know for sure till blood angels codex

Anyone else buying up the cheap Riptides hoping they'd be good again? Fuck, I'd buy anything GW at half the price.

>>55019980
You probably won't gain anything back, going by how GW has just copied the indexes so far.

>>55019968
upvoted :^)

>>55019950

Flying warrior prime when?

>>55019950
Malanthropes and Swarmlord exist

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>>55019950
Because we have this guy

>>55019968
Are you complaining that the three new codexes released this MONTH aren't brand new armies?

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>>55019968
>>55019980
the backlash against 8th ed begins just as i vow to get back into 40K

>>55019950

They shouldn't.
Broodlords are way to versatile and cost efficient.

>Fast
>Hits like a MC
>Durable with an inbuilt invun save
>Psyker

The only decent alternative HQ is the Swarmlord with Tyrant guard in really large games. But anything under 1850 he's too expensive.

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>Be autist
>Go to local gw store, play games
>Everyone is either retarded or asshole
Interacting with humans was a mistake.

>>55020012
No anon. I'm complaining that the three new codexes release this month didn't live up to the promise of what codexes were supposed to be.

Indexes were meant to be a stop-gap measure, to get all factions to a playable state, and then codexes would make them interesting.

So far the codexes are just the indexes, with some minor rules additions. I'm holding out hope for any faction that doesn't have a significant index entry, but I've given up hope on any faction that does, because of this.

How is this list for a complete beginner? 500 pt

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [26 PL, 499pts] ++

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, 101pts]: Jump Pack, Master-crafted boltgun, Power axe, The Crusader's Helm

+ Troops +

Crusader Squad [5 PL, 118pts]
. 2x Initiate
. Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon
. Initiate w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Sword Brother: Combi-plasma

+ Elites +

Dreadnought [7 PL, 148pts]: Assault cannon
. Dreadnought combat weapon w/Heavy Flamer: Heavy flamer

Vanguard Veteran Squad [8 PL, 132pts]: Jump Pack
. Space Marine Veteran: 2x Lightning Claw
. Space Marine Veteran: Power sword, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Power sword, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: 2x Chainsword
. Veteran Sergeant: 2x Lightning Claw

++ Total: [26 PL, 499pts] ++


The captain and vets stay near the others (captain provides wide buffs with the BT helm) until something is close to strike.

The dread takes care of weak big group units and punches tough guys.

The crusaders plink and take care of objectives.

Another question. How strict are people avput going over the point limit for a few points? Taking axes on the shield guys would put me at 501.

>>55020019
The Patriarch is marginally better than the Broodlord depending on what you want to use it for. The GSC powers are arguably better too (hypnosis)

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>>55020023
>play games

wow you're braver than most here

>>55019980
What are you missing? Isn't it just like 'ard boyz and looted wagon?

>>55020023

You gotta find the right store man, some are great, others are cancer. Most of the time it depends on the manager as well.

>>55020043
Blak Templars is the chapter tactic

>>55020050
>>55020060
You give me hope, i will keep trying.

>>55020023
I'd sooner go to Uganda without a malaria jab and try to organise a game there than play in any GW store.

They're cancer ridden cesspools for people who can't find actual groups. Just find a cool local games club to go to I've never failed to find decent games doing that.

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>>55020023
>be autist
>haven't played a single game
>started with stormclaw box
I-I'll get to it eventually

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8th is not fun.

Just got my Orks stomped by a Ynnari player who was using his leaked codex. So many powerful stratagems... everything he had was so cheap too.

Do I have any chance or do I have to hope that the Ork codex is good enough to allow me to compete?

>>55019980
I need snakebite boar boyz. I was royally pissed they didn't include them in Index even tho' they claimed it has rules for all models, even very old.

>>55020092
>leaked codex

???

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>>55020092
>playing with homebrew

>>55020043
No one will care when a beginner goes over in a 500pt game.

>>55020105
>>55020112
It's the new le ebin beito XDD for easy (use), retards.

>>55020092
The gif makes this bait

>>55020041
The 8th ed. codexes have far more varied special rules than we've seen in any codex save perhaps a few like 4th ed. Guard and 5th. ed marines. Unique Powers, warlord traits, relics, and stratagems for each one. Subfaction rules for the major factions. All the flavor stuff people said was missing from the Indexes. So what you're really complaining about it that the codexes released at this highly accelerated pace don't all have a bunch of brand new units and models. The issue is if they were to do that it means the pace of releases necessarily slows WAY down and you end up screwing players like >>55019980 even more. Frankly I think GW is making the right choice.

>>55020092
>Ynnari player who was using his leaked codex
Should have just said SM, CSM, or Grey Knights. It would be more believable.

>>55020112
>>55020041
>the three new codexes release this month didn't live up to the promise of what codexes were supposed to be
Please explain.

>>55020041
>minor rules additions

Nigga, what? Tons of stratagems, chapter/legion traits, unique warlord traits for each chapter/legion etc. What the hell were you expecting? A full new model range along with each codex?

>>55020154
>What the hell were you expecting? A full new model range along with each codex?

Of course not, only with the armies he plays.

I really hope IG get regimental tactics/orders and strategems. Something like steel legion being able to give orders to chimeras or something. I dont get the point of all these diferent IG regiments with the only difference being cadian and catachan characters.

>>55020122
Not really. If your subfaction is in a grouped up codex, you get a stratagem, a tactic, a warlord trait, and an artifact.

Your troops units get objective secured, and some factions get to treat some units as troops that would otherwise not be.

so exciting.

Compare this to the Traitor Legions supplement released at the end of seventh. In addition to the above (minus the stratagems obviously) It featured three different and full psyker trees. Full artifact lists for every faction. Full warlord trait tables for each faction IIRC. At least one formation for every faction, and IIRC, a mega formation for every faction, each with their own special rules that could wildly change your gameplay.

All of this was done without adding tons of models to the range, or indeed any models for most of the legions.

Now, let me preempt the inevitable retards: I'm not asking for the return of formations. I'm simply saying that in the context of 7th edition, with all its quirks, GW managed to use those rules to release a very fun and interesting traitor legions supplement. When you look at the closest thing in 8th edition to that so far, the Codex Chaos Space Marines, GW has not managed to use the rules of 8th to do anything as awesome.

Is a terminator sorcerer better than an exalted sorcerer?

>>55020154
>"I didn't expect much from GW"
>GW give everyone more than anyone was expecting
>"WHY DIDN'T GW GIVE US MORE"
He's just some faggot X-Wing/Warmachine shill who is trying to sow dissent. The same shit that happened with Skubmar as people advocated abandoning ship to find "other hobbies" lol

>>55020176
>Something like steel legion being able to give orders to chimeras

Defenetly not troop orders.

Move, move move! on chimeras would be ridicolous.

>>55019612 #
Eh, with the chainswords extra attack they're not to bad. You'd want them more for staying power, T5 W2 doesn't shift so easily. Go mark of khorne so you can use that extra round of attacks strategem.

On paper you could probably do well using them as the other half of a gunline/artillery list. bikers rush and disrupt enemy units and get in the way of the enemy's advance (and kill some of them st the same time). Artillery pounds whats not tied up and your enemy has to choose betwen falling back and facing your big guns or staying in the grinder with your bikers. If he does try to hide in CC, fall back with 1 bier unit and focus fire the guys now left in the open

I'm kicking some army lists, mostly of stuff I can buy for reasonably cheap and then get a lot of mileage out of what comes in the box. Heres a list I'm looking at, any advice on how it'd go or anything worth changing? It'd only be $255 Ausbucks with parts leftover.

Outrider Detachment 976 points

Chaos Lord with Jump Pack + Combi Plasma
Raptors x 5 + Plasma Gun x 2 + Plasma Pistols x 2
Raptors x 5 + Plasma Gun x 2 + Plasma Pistols x 2
Chosen x 10 with Lightning Claws and Icon of Excess
Rhino
Sorceror with Jump Pack + Force Sword
Chaos Spawn x 4

Still haven't given the Lord a melee weapon (or a gun to the Sorc), though I've got points to spare; still trying to work out what Legion Trait, Strategems, Relics etc would be good for them. MURDER SWORD is tempting though.

>>55020183
>Now, let me preempt the inevitable retards: I'm not asking for the return of formations. I'm simply saying that in the context of 7th edition, with all its quirks, GW managed to use those rules to release a very fun and interesting traitor legions supplement. When you look at the closest thing in 8th edition to that so far, the Codex Chaos Space Marines, GW has not managed to use the rules of 8th to do anything as awesome.
YOU'RE BITCHING THAT A CODEX HAS LESS THAN A SUPPLEMENT, WHEN IN THE SAME EDITION THE CODEX HAD TO HAVE A SUPPLEMENT TO, SHOCK HORROR, SUPPLEMENT THE EXISTING SHIT. LMFAO YOU'RE SO FUCKING RETARDED. IT'S FUCKING NOT EVEN 3 MONTHS INTO 8TH ED AND YOU'RE BITCHING ABOUT SHIT WE ONLY GOT RIGHT AT THE FUCKING END OF 7TH LOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>55020176
GW confirmed on facebook during the early 8e info that every one with <SUBFACTION> tags was getting subfaction specific rules like chapter traits.

>>55020176
If they're being bothered enough to give Ad Mech traits for different Forge Worlds, no reason they wouldn't stretch to IG regiments

>>55020220
The Traitor Legions Supplement was basically a codex anon. It includes stats for the units in it. CSM didn't actually get a 7e codex. Instead, they got the Traitor Legions """supplement""".

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>>55020224
awesome

>>55020023
>>55020081

Seconded. I've been to some events / tourneys at GW that were alright but generally games groups are better

>>55020224
<ARGENT SHROUD>
<BLOODY ROSE>
<OUR MARTYRED LADY>
Yeah right

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I want ome of these for my iron warriors but 30k is dead locally.

Was thinking of running them as counts as twin heavy bolter and "chain claw" hellforged contempors, their 5++/4++ seems a good fit for the shield.
Is something that would fly with most people?

>>55020232
Nah. The only datasheets are Kharn, the Lord of Skulls, and the stuff from Wrath of Magnus. It's mostly formations and the deecurion rules for the legions.

>>55020248
Probably yes

>>55020189
I didn't even think of that, although that would be hilarious. So what would be some decent regimental tactics, strategems or unique rules?

>>55020244
That is literally the point of those types of tags.

Of crouse we'd actually need to be getting a SoB codex formit to matter

Alright anons, you know that next game you opponent will field Magnus. How do you prepare?

>>55020248
I think it should. They're around the same size right?
I would be fine with it, but I fucking love those models as well

>>55020248
I'd be ok with it
Might be cool to add some chaos-ifying to make it more 40k rather than 30k

>>55020264
How many hours before 10th will SoB get a codex?

>>55020266
I find a better opponent

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>>55020269
>They're around the same size right?
I believe so yes.

What if every faction's subfactions are mostly just small variations on the Marine ones

>>55020266
I begin forging a narrative as to why my forces are battling the Daemon Primarch of the Thousand Sons. What are we fighting over? Where is the battlefield? Who are the other characters involved?

>>55020266
Meltas. Chaosfags are retarded and bad players so you can melta spam it to death

>>55020244
Yes, I expect rules for the original six orders when they get around to it. They still bother to tell you which order of Sororitas are deployed in the muster list of various battles.

>>55020266
SoS with flamers
Insta-Hit that traitor out of the sky!

>>55020288
30k, look how dead that thing is.
Marines vs marine is boring. Everyone should know this by now

>>55020244
Admech are getting seven (SEVEN) Forgeworld specific rules and traits. It's happening, anon.

>>55020183

Less additional bullshit is good for the game.

I'd happily play with just index armies entirely with a few minor faq tweaks as needed. They're releasing the codex's anyway and I'm glad they've gone for a minimal approach for them as the more superfluous units and bullshit rules they add the more chance we have of landing in power creep hell again. A few additions like legion traits and unique warlord traits and strategem is all they really need to do.
The game is already varied and complex enough it doesn't need more crap added to it, it just needs the stuff that exists to work well which now for the most part is thankfully the case. I've been buying them all as they come out as a result in an effort to encourage this .

>>55020248
I'd have no issue with you running them as Hellforged Contemptors, then again I don't hate fun.

>>55020248
He also works really well for a ironwarriors Daemon prince with fleshmetal exoskeleton which is a tasty unit.

Tempted to buy one myself for just that .

>>55020288
They probably will be, though honestly i think it's a good thing. A smaller pool of abilities that most armies can access most of is better for balance.

>>55020248
What units should I run to keep the IW fluff accurate?

>>55020301
>You need 72D6 (heavy)flamer hits to kill Magnus that has Weaver of Fates on

>>55020228
Oh boy, I can't wait to enjoy the following seven unique bonuses:

1. +1 leadership
2. Ignore Cover/reroll wounds against buildings
3. Fall back and Shoot at -1 in the same turn
4. 6+ FNP
5. -1 to enemy invuln saves within 6 inches of one or more units
6. -1 to hit units with this rule from 12 inches away
7. Reroll Morale tests

>>55020232
I have in my hand RIGHT NOW the Traitor Legions supplement. You have data sheets for Kharn, Ahriman, Magnus, Lord of Skulls, Tzaangors, Exalted Sorcerer, Scarab Occult Terminators, and Rubric Marines. That is it.

The rest are formation special rules, tactical objectives, and some legion-specific shit like relics, psyker disciplines, tactical objectives, and restrictions.

I agree that the psychic phase changes have resulted in less "options" but thew psychic phase had become a bloat mess and many psychic powers are instead now unit-specific auras or rules. Mostly auras. There really isn't much in Traitor Legions that isn't in 8th Codex Chaos Space Marines. And, of course, you're forgetting that we're not even THREE FUCKING MONTHS into 8th Edition so supplements are going to follow.

God you're a bitch.

How good are punchy Kastelan Robots? I'm considering just fielding two powerfisters to punch things to death for science. How viable are they?

>>55020189
Give speed freeks a rule equivalent and we can have steel legion vs speed freeks like in the old armageddon codex.

>>55020311
>Sisters of Battle
>two decade old model range
You have more hope than I

>>55020248
If I ran Iron Warriors that would be my go to Daemon Prince base.

>>55020332
Meltas

>>55020337
the thing is, the unique rules in Traitor Legions wouldn't have been hard to get into the codex. The fact that they didn't put them in boggles the mind, unless the intention is to actually make 8th edition as bland as possible.

Which again, is why I'm giving them two more chances with the DG and 1kSons codexes before i drop this.

>>55020311
So slight tweaks on ULTRAMARINES, RAVEN GUARD, WHITE SCARS, IMPERIAL FISTS, BLACK TEMPLARS, IRON HANDS and one more then

>>55020288
Probably will be with a few unique ones per faction, like the Alpha Legion Warlord trait.

This isn't a bad thing, they're generally useful and generic abilities. Giving every single faction a completely new and unique set for everything would both be difficult to do and be very hard to balance.

>>55020023
I'm pretty sure the manager of the local store hates me, he's super rude and passive aggressive. I don't even know why, I've never been anything but polite to him.
Well, other than one argument that is when we tried to play a game of AoS.

He talks about regulars he doesn't like behind his back, I've met some pretty cool dudes there only for him to talk shit about them after they leave.
There was this one dude who was in the same position who was talking to me over lunch one time who was thinking the same thing, saying "I think the manager hates me for some reason", keep in mind they had never argued and he was a really polite guy and the manager is like "Oh that guy is such a WAAC fag, he's so unpleasant to be around! I better warn all my customers to be careful around him".

>>55020329
Chaos Lord, Warpsmith, CSM, Havocs, Obliterators, Conscripts, Vindicators, Predators and Land Raiders. Helbrutes and Defilers are fine too.

>>55020329
IW are seige specialists and have a bit of a thing with obliterators. Going heavy on havocs, obliterators and artillery (marine and renegade) would be fitting. Other than cult units like noise marines I don't thing there's anything they don't use at least some of.

>>55020294

Seconding meltas
Blew up magnus AND a daemon prince on T1 with 1000 pts of sisters spamming meltas

>>55020379
Stuff like possessed and dark apostles are a bit out of character for IW, but the rest of the undivided stuff is fine.

>>55020366
>let's remove universal special rules
>bring them back under different names!
Those auras of re-roll 1s to hit sure look at lot like preferred enemy

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>tfw you like all the new Death Guard stuff
>and Hellbrutes
>and Daemons

Can't have it all in one list. Need to pick. Sad!

>>55020248
I'd let you run it.

>>55020356
>>55020356
>boggles the mind
You're a fucking dumb shit and should drop yourself off the roof of a tall building instead.

How many times do you need to be told we're just under three months into a brand new edition? I bet you're the worst person to go to a theme park with, or a busy restaurant. Or anywhere in general. You'd probably constantly bitch about traffic, then bitch about the parking, then bitch about the wait for service, then be a passive-aggressive fucktard to the waitress who has 25 other people who serve who are ahead of you in the serving order.

>>55020314
>Less additional bullshit is good for the game.

No. Seventh edition's main problem wasn't that the factions got lots of fun rules. It was that the base game was so convoluted that figuring out how any unit worked involved keeping 3 to 5 separate books or pdfs open.

The secondary problem was balance. GW was openly balancing the game with power creep in mind, with every new release having something overpowered about it to sell paper and plastic.

None of these problems are fundamentally associated with having lots of fun faction specific rules and options. With the Indexes, GW proved they're capable of making a simpler game, and they proved they're sort of capable of balance. With the codexes, they should start making things interesting again, building off of the simpler base rules we now have.

>>55020266

A trio of dakka predators using the kill strategem can strip him down pretty fast.

Lots of snipers to spam out mortal wounds which his saves do dick about also work. Or likewise anything that doesn't mortal wounds.

Good old melta drops can do the trick as well.

>>55020399
Sure you can. Allied detachments.

>>55020366
I'm hoping for unique canticles, but you're probably right.

>>55020393
Meltas drop anything even the price of the dollar!

>inbefore muh 20" movement
SoB can spam 24" movement meltas so easy it is not even funny for the other guy.
That said they are glass cannons if SoB do not win by turn 3 they probably lost

>>55020266
24 biovores

>>55020413
In terms of points I can't.

Too much stuff!

>>55020399
You posted this yesterday. And the day before.

Is a loyalist dreadnought a good starting point to make a thousand son helbrute from? The regular helbrute model looks way too mutated

>>55020266
MURDER SWORD

>>55020404
I'll ignore the personal attacks, since those aren't an argument.

>How many times do you need to be told we're just under three months into a brand new edition?

And? GW should be capable of including the same level of faction fun found in traitor legions in the new codex.

Either they are incapable of doing so, in which case they are incompetent. Or they are deliberately holding back the fun, to milk the market for more money. in which case, fuck em. In both cases, I don't see a reason to support them with my dollars, or waste further time on the game.

>>55020414
Canticles will be +1 to a stat of your choice. Are you excited yet?

>>55020467
>lots of fun rules
like what?

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>painting black over black spray

Why?

Are GW that desperate to sell their black paint stock?

>>55020458
If you want that cleaner look then sure.

>>55020487
He said above. Basically he wanted six warlord traits and unique relics for each subfaction rather than just one.

>>55020488
>look ma I posted it again

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>>55020488
You posted this yesterday.

>>55020443
Have you tried having self-control?

If so, please share the secret with me.

>55020488
>look ma, i posted it again!

>>55020487
Full wargear lists for each legion
Full warlord trait tables for each legion
Multiple full Psyker disciplines
Multiple formations for each legion (the equivalent in 8th would be multiple stratagems for each legion)

>>55020482
>+1
When the 3rd edition rulebook armies look more interesting you know your rules are bland as balls

>>55020407
No the base game was perfectly fine beyond a few minor qualms unless you were brain damaged. That's why 30k managed to get so successful and be relatively balanced and fun to play using 7E rules ( until forgeworld starting releasing more and more crap like thousand sons which messed up the balance)

I agree creep and balance was messed up and that was the main issue with 7E.

They've gutted it and started fresh with 8E for better or worse but it would be a crying shame to undo all of that work by starting the power creep treadmill again and throwing heaps of additional crap onto every codex release.

The codex rules are perfectly fine and interesting enough as is. You don't need a million different units with twelve hundred abilities each to make an interesting game. Infact rather the opposite, hence why chess and checkers have done really well. If anything needs to change it's the main rules for 8th that need some additional love to make games more strategically interesting. Which granted they seem to be doing with the upcoming chapter approved release.

>>55020511
so basically you're a retard. good to know.

>>55020043
Bumping for the sake of starting 40k with this list

>>55020399
You type like trump

>>55020092
GIB GEMU

>>55020183
I fucking knew you were a chaos shitter. Please kill yourself ASAP and as painfully as possible.

>>55020354
>needs 54(~40 inside melta range) shoots against Weaver of Fates Magnus

>>55020432

Ran a list with 18

They are pretty meh in terms of actual wounds inflicted, but the movement denial is sweet.

Too bad flyers will just ignore the spores and fly past.

>>55020488
NA-NANI?!

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i've forgotten how to paint grey knights

>>55020556
So a normal SoB list

>>55020467
I think you're missing out on one of the best eras we've seen for 40k, but that's your prerogative. It's a game, it should be something that's fun for you or else there's no point playing.

I feel like you're missing that everybody is getting these additional rules whereas before they were limited to only Marines, and right at the end, Chaos Marines as well as this entire extra layer of stuff in Stratagems. But I guess that's irrelevant from a purely CSM perspective.

>>55020516
Anon, I'm not going to pay hundreds of dollars for chess pieces. In my faction based wargame, I want the factions to be unique and special.

>>55020518
>>55020542
Ladies, those aren't arguments. Also, I'm not a chaosfag.

>>55020488
Maybe if you watched the video and heard him explain it in very clear, simple terms, you wouldn't need to make this autistic post for the second time.

>>55020516
>If anything needs to change it's the main rules for 8th that need some additional love to make games more strategically interesting.
One thing I've wanted to try is expanding the alternate activations thing from the fight phase to all the phases.

>>55020568
Pretend they're a fat necron.

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>>55020092
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ORKFAGS, EVERYONE
BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME

>>55020511
That sounds like a fucking nightmare to balance well if you're proposing this much content for every faction.

>>55020574
> I want the factions to be unique and special
If you want your literally-who subfaction to get more support, drop more money on it. simple as that.

>>55020572
Every faction had unique formations in 7th though. I remember playing fun freakshow lists with dark eldar and harlequins, that would do neat things with leadership. Partly due to the morale phase being changed, and partly due to the blandness of special rules, such a list is no longer feasible. The most interesting thing you can do with leadership in the Eldar faction in 8th is terrify a knight to death with shadowseer grenades. But it isn't nearly as practical.

>>55020594
Blame the consumer
CLASSIC!

>>55020595
>SoB had formations?
I guess if you count apocalypse only and super Imperium friend formation we can say everyone had

>>55020600
>Lady, that's not an argument.

>>55020595
That same ability to do fun, silly stuff is also what enabled stupid, broken armies that smashed the meta over their knees. Have you forgotten Taudar lists?

>>55020594
I tried that, then we got 8th. So I'm not spending any more money.

>>55020590
Maybe so. But in 8th edition, GW has set up the framework to balance things fast. Look at how fast they've been moving on both errata, and how useful the index/codex system can be to republish lists with adjusted numbers.

>>55020611
Okay, I'm sorry, I forgot about sisters. In fairness, so has most of the community, and GW.

>>55020620
bye then

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>>55020399
This should fit your needs, anon.

>>55020578
>post for the second time
He's done it every day for the last couple of weeks.

>>55020619
There's a difference between freakshow dark eldar lists, traitor legion rules, and Taudar. Can you tell me what it is anon?

>>55020620
Fun fact! SoB have had more codex than Chaos marines. Granted one was WD but still more codex

>>55020620
>I tried that, then we got 8th. So I'm not spending any more money.
just for the statistic: what autistic niche-faction did you want rules for?

>>55020248
As the other anon said, make it slightly more 40K-esque with spiky bitz etc. And noone should take offense. That model looks fantastic with that paintjob.

>>55020615
New meme?
How can you hope for the consumer to invest into something if they can see zero support for the product they want to invest

Not every army has SoBfags willing to pay US$100 for 10 models

>>55020651
Every faction anon. I want every faction to have unique and fun rules at about the level of the Traitor Legions book.

>>55020620
I don't think anyone in the community is going to miss you, dude. You seem like a pain in the ass.

>>55020574
How would that work anon? You can not give each subfaction full traits et cetera and A: expect them all to be more or less equally good/interesting and B: expect the designers to pull out 30 traits plus powers and stratagems for each faction and not repeat themselves over different armies. Sometimes less is more interesting, as its only defining if it is unique

>>55020668
Still not an argument lady.

>>55020663
anon, people bought lots of space marines before they got subfactions. stop being an entitled snowflake and stop whining that a company doesn't cater to your specific wants.

>>55020667
you're an idiot

>>55020667
So you want rules bloat.

>>55020683
What is an argument lady?

>>55020682
>3rd edition did it
Sure it needed some twicks but it sure made every army feel different

>>55020667
Well perhaps in the future you'll get that, considering we're only three months into the new edition and the major factions don't even have a proper codex yet you're going to have to fucking wait, you dumb cunt.

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So I got one of these guys off ebay for a great price.

Any tips on using him? What things should I send him to murder. What things I shouldn't do with it?

>>55020690
a miserable pile of secrets

>>55020685
>marinefags calling other snowflakes
Oh BOI!

>>55020050
You are that guy who posted the hamster like 3 times about how he didn't play an 8e game yet?
Come on, make a 1k,1850 and 2k list and go there to play with someone!

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>>55020568
Prime black.
Either Spray Ledbelcher, or basecoat ledbelcher all over the model.
Pick out pretty details with a bronze color, like Balthasar gold.
Paint the other stuff if you like (books, purity seals, tabbards, etc...)
Wash with Nuln or agrax.
Drybrush or highlight with runefang steel/gehennas gold respectively, do note that its best to do the entire model one color at a time if you drybrush, tho.
Paint the eyes a color you like, put a white dot in the middle.
There's a duncan tutorial on the weapons if you wanna do it the fancy way, or you can be a fag and just make them silver.
Voila.
Go grab your paints, faggot, no more shitty excuses.

Am I a Fish of Fury faggot if I let my Breachers shoot under the Devilfish they just embarked out of?

>>55019980
>>55019980

I've been trying to build a kult of speed, but they all end up looking worse than just putting 200+ models on the table.

>>55020682
I wouldn't mind actually if the designers repeated themselves a few times, if we got more. That's fine.

But note that so far, the designers have repeated themselves quite a few times. many of the stratagems are copy/pastes of each other, and the same for legion tactics and chapter tactics.

With how little we're getting, I expect everything to be shining beacons of unique snowflakes. Sadly, that isn't the case, and isn't likely to be the case.

>>55020725
Fish if Fury isn't as bad as before, so do it all you want.

>>55020023
I just turn up to GWs with friends these days. I buy my stuff there because I know and like the staff and they have no problem with us booking up the tables for a while.

Before I started doing this the shit I had to put up with was crazy, endless greytide waacfags who were 9/10 on the degenerate scale. There are nice fluffy players in there I get along with but not enough to end the visible disappointment/disgust on the managers face at some of his customers.

What I'm trying to say is find some decent players and stick with them because most of the gamers I've run into fit all the stereotypes perfectly.

>>55020714
Missus, that's not a controversy

How many armies is too many?

I'm having fun building up multiple small armies of about 1000 points each. How many armies do you have?

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>>55020691
Hah. Man, if you're complaining about these 8th ed. codexes, you would have HATED early 3rd ed. codexes.

>>55020757
Depends on on income and if you can play them as allies i suppose.
I stick to imperium armies so i can play any combination.

>>55020757
Two, Orks and T'au.

>>55019883
Gonna try to pick up my first 8th edition game tomorrow/first game in 2 years. Hopefully there's someone there that wants to play and I don't brutally embarrass myself. Made lists for 2000, 1500, and 1000 so I'm relatively flexible for potential opponents. Threw a list together based on what I've got:

2k:
Typhus
Chaos Lord w/Plasma pistol, power sword
10 Marines w/Power Sword/Lightning Claw, heavy bolter
10 more Marines
5 Termies w/Reaper Autocannon, Chainfist, Power Maul, Lightning Claw
20 Cultists - w/Stubber, Flamer, Shotgun
20 Poxwalkers
Helbrute w/Plasma Cannon
7 Plague Marines w/Plasma Gun/Power Fist
10 Raptors - w/melta, plasma pistol/power sword or 2 flamers, plasma pistol/power sword
Defiler - 213 w/Twin Lascannon and Havoc Launcher
Bloat Drone - 99
Forgefiend - 197 w/3 ectoplasma cannons
Rhino - 70

The 1500/1000 lists are the same with just some stuff trimmed out. It's most of my models and about half of them I've never fielded before, so I'm interested to see how it goes.

>>55020759
Anon I played 3rd, I've been playing for decades now.
3rd was not perfect but it didn't need random crap to make each army feel and play different

>>55020774
Oy, I meant today after I wake up, and I left some of the point numbers in there and took it out of others, I'm tired as fuck.

>>55020757
Depends on which armies you have.

If you have Nids, then no amount of armies is too big. If you have non-nids, then any amount of armies is too big.

>>55020720
I've got a 1k list, or thereabouts.

Just a bit unsure how to get started is all. Nerves you know.

>>55020728
Everything we've had so far is Space Marines.

>>55020728
You're overstating this quite a bit. Yes there are IW/IF. But Grey Knights share what? Honour the Chapter, Tactical Flexibility and Orbital Bombardment?

>>55020776
No you fucking didn't. There were barely any unique units or rules that made Blood Angels play differently from DA Ravenwing for example. It wasn't until 4th Edition that you could have a purely Ravenwing Army, because you HAD to have troops choices in there as part of the Force Organization Chart being 1HQ + 2Troops minimum.

You are a ruleslet and a newfag, it's fucking obvious.

A good buying list to start Grey Knight ?

>>55020798
>make the same thing over and over
>consumer love it
Some times I wonder if I'm playing TF2 or 40k

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Would The Imperium be the Empire or the Rebels in Star Wars?

Are they the good guys, or the evil galactic empire.

>>55020757
Just two, nids and grey knights, but both are fully fledged out at about 2k-3k depending on wargear.

Honestly, I'm always a little tempted to start a new 1000 point small army, but then I realize its usually just one or two models I like, and that I'll be better off just sticking with my nids and GK.

So in conclusion, I'd say two armies is all you need. You have enough variety so you can switch what you're painting if you get bored, you can play different playstyles and you always have a spare army incase you want to play with a friend who doesnt have 40k.
I think if you get to the point where you ask "how many armies are too many?", you've probably already gone past the limit.

>>55020814
>red marines are different than blue marines
Anon stop being retarded
Marines where different from SoB, from DE from Eldar, from IG, etc etc
Same army subfaction will be very similar if not the same.

>>55020817
Space Marines having multiple codices has been standard for over a decade. There's justifiable complaints against it but GW would face massive backlash if they backpedaled on it, so it's here to stay.

Space Marine factions are naturally going to share rules with other Space Marine factions.

There'd be more cause for concern if, say, Blood Angels and Tau shared a lot of copy-pasted rules. But we can't make that call yet because until next month, every codex is Space Marines.

>>55020776
I've been playing since 2nd ed. The 3rd ed. marine book had zero "chapter tactics".. And if you think White Scars play like Raven Guard who play like Ultramarines in 8th you have a distinct lack of imagination. Even stuff like Salamanders push you towards a Tactical Marine based list and away from most of the Primaris stuff.

>>55020832
>>red marines are different than blue marines
Relative to 3rd edition the fucking are you dumb cunt.

>>55020821
40k has no good guys.

Imperium are arguably the protagonists but that doesn't make them good.

>>55020801
Alpha Legion/RG
Linebreaker Bombardment as well. I'm sure tehre's more, but I'm tired and just glancing at it right now.

>>55020759

3e nids dex was pretty good Anon

>>55020836
Some marinefags seem to think marines are some how radically different from other marines like >>55020814 thinks

He thinks white marines should be as different from red marines. Just like Eldar should be as different from IG

>>55020821
dumb anime poster.

Both and both.

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>>55020814
>You are a ruleslet

wat?

>>55020865
>He thinks white marines should be as different from red marines
Nice putting words in my mouth, rofl. You're fucking desperate to win the internet argument you're revising shit people can read for themselves LOL

>>55020816

depends if you want to go mainly PA or termies

>>55020876
like a brainlet (retard), but specifically for rules

>>55020844
We don't need seven million slightly different rules for the same army splatter over nine billion rules.
Shit like the Regiment for the IG worked just fine. Mind you it needed fixing to avoid exploits but it sure as hell didn't need so many super special snowflakes rules

>>55020865
This is also why people hate marine fags.

GW could release a schedule detailing the next 20 codex releases. It could be 19 marine codexes, and 1 xenos.

And there would still be some marinefag salty as fuck that the 43rd company of the Blood Farts didn't get a codex.

>>55020704
Great against anything t3 or less, deathleaper is a good "hello commisar" unit and can really punish poor deployment, aside from those situations though id steer clear of them aside from objective snagging, too inconsistent

>>55020832
>>55020836
SW fag here.
I didn't mind everything SM being in Index Imperium 1.
I'd have been happy to wait 6 months to a year for Codex: Space Marines with all SM, BA, DA and SW rolled in.
Keep restricted sections for the unique units, Sanguinary stuff, Wings, Grey hunters and wolf guard etc. Just have it in one release.

This doesn't stop them selling books in most cases. If you collect a special version of marines, it's unlikely that you'll have a regular marine army too. So you're only going to buy one book from GW anyway.

Then perhaps a book that holds the Inquisition, Grey Knights and Death Watch as like a single codex.
But at the same time I'm happy for all the other armies to get their own codices.

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>>55020896
>a good "hello commisar"

>Implying it's possible to charge a commissar without having to go trough the conscripts

>>55020899
It'd be a pretty damn fat codex though, wouldn't it? Might exceed what GW want to do pagecount wise.

>>55020855
It was. It was also SIX YEARS LATER.

>>55020855
Mutable genus was the best, and fluffiest, thing to happen to the nids, prove me wrong
Protip: you cant

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>>55020896
"Why hello unit that will never be able to charge me and is dying next turn."

>AdMech getting 7 different Forge Worlds with rules
So we can definitely expect this as the standard, huh?

Wonder what they'll go with for Tau?

T'au, Vior'la, FSE and maybe Sa'cea are obvious, but I assume every faction will shoot for the ~7 mark.

>>55020892
>Marine players show the most interest and carry the hobby
>GW responds to that with positive reinforcement
>non-marine players hate them for that
???

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>>55020892
>This is also why people hate xenos fags.

>GW could release a schedule detailing the next 20 codex releases. It could be 19 xenos codexes, and 1 marine.

>And there would still be some xenosfag salty as fuck that the marines got a codex when they already had a codex last edition.

This is fun.

>>55020915
3rd edition rulebook had a simple solution. Add a list of things that each chapter can and can not take.
It would add like 4 pages tops to the codex and every special snowy wife flake can get their super rules

>>55020881
Is a way more shitty than the other ?

>>55020933
You don't actually think these things are comparable do you?

>>55020925
>Mutable genus
>Pre-4e rending
>Bio-wepons going off the unit S and A
>Dakkafexes
>Both Nid'Zilla and Horde being viable

>>55020935
With the way Codexes are laid out now, every unit gets its own page.

That would mean like ~5-10 per chapter, with how it is currently.

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>>55020816
Two 10-man Strike Squad boxes, gives you enough to build three Strike Squads and a Purgation Squad, which gives your army a good amount of bodies and backbone.

Get 5 Terminators. Then get more. I'd assume You'll need about 15, 10 to be used as Paladins/Terminators, the other 5 can be built as characters (Grandmasters, Brothercaptains, Apothecary, Ancients)

Get Voldus, Draigo or a Grandmaster (Pro-tip: you can build your own Grandmaster from the terminator kit and use the official GW resin model as a normal Terminator/Paladin)

Get a Dreadnought, those guys are always good, plus those little boxes are cute as fuck.

If you want a cheap little HQ get Crowe or a Brotherhood Champion, I use a repainted/converted BT Emperors Champion for mine.

Get transports once you have a sizable amount of infantry.

fyi, I have the sneaking feeling we might be getting a StartCollecting! soon, now that Voldus is being sold seperately.

I personally just started with a box of terminators and a Grandmaster, pic related, and built from there. Fits a patrol detatchement, nice and easy, for under 50 euros.

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>>55020907
>i didnt read the rest of the comment: the post
Literally said hes useful for punishing deployment in the same sentence

>>55020932
Marines don't support the hobby they don't need to scramble for bits and conversion to complete their uncomplete and old as fuck model line.

That is the issue it is hard to support anything outside of marines due to the lack of support

>>55020933
>>55020942
I think he does. Marinefags are that delusional.

He probably is upset that of the 10 promised codexes this year, only 5 are guaranteed to be marines.

>>55020907
>>55020928
He did say "punish poor deployment".

>>55020940

Not really,

I prefer power armor personally, but other people swear by paladins

>>55020952
Not really. Just say "Special flake tactical squad can't take heavy weapons" no need to make a different datasheet to remove a stat or an option.

>>55020955
Thank you, my brother-paladin

>>55020930
At a base I think it's worth looking at the subfactions listed in the base rulebook. It's not everything, there are no Hive Fleets listed for example, but if it's in there it will probably be playable. For Tau they list Vior'la, T'au, and Sa'cea. At a minimum I'd expect those three plus Farsight Enclaves.

What happened to Typhus and why isn't he in the Chaos Space Marine codex?

>>55020956

"Punishing poor deployment" implies that that deployment would be remotely possible from a non-braindead opponent.

>>55020985
He's being saved for the Death Guard codex.

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>>55020985
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/22/codex-death-guard-first-lookgw-homepage-post-2/

>>55020915
I wouldn't mind supplements for Bangels, Wolves, and Dangels.

Keep all their fluff in the Supps and a few pages for their unique units.

Hell even

Snowflakes, a supplement for Codex Space Marines. Which holds those three.

Also fold all of GK, DW, SOB into Codex Agents of the Imperium*

>* and come up with a better name

>>55020985
Hes going to be in the death guard codex for obvious reasons, so hes not in the csm one

>>55020985
He's in the Death Guard codex coming next month. Nurgle's and Tzeentch's boys are each getting the full codex treatment like Bangles, Dangles, and Yiffs.

>>55020458
Try and get your mitts on one of the old FW Thousand Sons Dreadnoughts, a recaster should be able to hook you up.
Barring that I'd just get the 30k Thousand Sons contemptor and use the corresponding FW rules.

>>55020983
Honestly I assume the other Tau septs weren't shown because none of them have standard paint jobs.

Even though standard paint jobs are kind of an irrelevant concept for Tau, it does help with identity.

>>55020915
Well it would be the same size as the index, but you'd take out the sections for Death Watch and Grey Knights and put some fluff pages in.

>>55020999
You can basically do that too
Codex: Vanilla
Codex: Special snowflake
For every faction and be done with it.

Want new units? Add them later with their own sheets in the box, or upload them in your site.

Are boot marines worth time in a casual all rounder list, or do I require certain things to have fun games now?
I hear people saying prime marines with the grenade launcher are baller?

>>55020999
Codex Orders Militant? GW do love their fancy name wank, and it's a canon title for those three factions (well, sort of dubious for SoB these days)

>>55020971
I find the synergy between the Brother-Captain and the Ancient (with relic) interesting. But otherwise, I don't have a crush for either PA or Terminator.
Maybe PA have a more pleasant look when assembled in unit that termi. So let's say PA.

>>55021019
>boot marines
???

>>55021010
It'd be substantially fatter than the index. The index doesn't have stratagems, warlord traits, strategic objectives, galleries, or any of the other stuff that comes with a full Codex.

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>>55021007
>>55020458

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What GW paints should I use for this?

>>55020399
4 Days and you still haven't picked?

>>55021021

my (pre-codex) list was:

2 Stomraven with brother-cap and 4x5 purifiers
4x5 GKPA
Draigo

>>55020963
>invented a scenario about "marinefags" that only exists in his head
Yes anon, it's totally the other side of the argument that's delusional.

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You have ten seconds to name a better CSM legion than the Iron Warriors

>>55021020
Sisters of Battle are the militant order of the Sororitas. Remember that SoB are just one part of the Sisters.
I'd love some Sisters advisors for the IG and Inquistion.
Some Famoulos (or what ever the name) for CP, Hospitaler for aura heals, Dialogus for moral stuff or something like that

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>>55021035
Also

>>55021040
You're not going to paint them anyways so whats the point.

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>>55021040
Here's what GW think.

>>55021031
Footslggin' Marines ya git.

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>>55021040

>>55021069
Every one of them.

>>55020940
>>55020955
Me again. I think its best to use a mix of both PA and TDA. You need PA for the Battalion detatchement command points since they are cheap, and give your armies a nice amount of meat, but they die quickly unsupported. My army also includes a big juicy unit of 10 paladins with an apothecary, who are usually accompanied by my HQ, as they make for a really tough scary CC unit, since you gotta have a bit of bite in your army too.

>>55020248
As with everyone else, give him some spikes and let the iron within.

>>55021069
Literally any other legion except word bearers.

>>55021031
Boots, anon, infantry.
I'm coming from HH where infantry was barely worth a spit at the best of times.

>>55021069
Word bearers. They actually achieved their aims in causing the heresy.

>>55020724
Should I highlight the black primer with black paint

>>55021068
Well some marinefags get super trigger when someone points out how easy they have it

>>55021076
Tau aren't top tier anymore so the unpainted meme is probably gonna shift soon enough.

My bet is Y'nnari.

>>55020683
Holy shit, the autism

>>55021072

I always preferred old lore where each major inquisitorial ordo had his chamber militant.

Xeno > DW
Malleus > GK
Hereticus > SoB

>>55021077
Cheers, Anon.

>>55021076
Why wouldn't I?

>>55021034
That won't fit on 38 pages you'd get from dropping GK and DW out? That's rather inefficient of them. Fair enough.

>>55020997
so is typhus getting a new fig too?

>>55021080
Oh. You can run them just fine. Devastators are good and Most of the Primaris options are designed to work well without transport either by dropping in or simply with longer range guns. A squad of five Primaris Intercessors with Bolt Rifles, an Aux. Grenade Laucher and a Power Sword are very solid.

-Take 2 units of conscripts that are visually distinct.
-Put Commissar, Priest, Primaris Psker and Company Commander in the middle.
-Move one unit of Conscripts, then move command attachment back into the womb, then close womb with other squad.
You now don't give a fuck about the enemy.

-You didn't bring snipers?
>Psshh nothing personal kid.

>>55021116
He is the guy holding up the scythe.

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>have 1k points
>not sure if I want to play this army now

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>>55021095
Did I include it as a step in the painting process? No.
Stop asking stupid questions and start painting your miniatures.

>>55021069
Better, no, but I like the thematics of HH ECs.
>>55021096
How do they have it easy outside a good dex?
>>55021107
I don't think that is actually gone, I think they are strapped together by the balls.
The ordos still call on the different militaries for their aid out of hand, and they will respond because they all have the good fight.
>>55021122
>A squad of five Primaris Intercessors with Bolt Rifles, an Aux. Grenade Laucher and a Power Sword are very solid.
That actually makes me pretty happy. I have a lot of marines from years of collecting, and I'd like to use them. What about non prime marines?

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>>55021124

>>55021113
Marines fit in the index just fine.
Hell 3 radically different armies fit in one.

Marinefags should stop bitching about their super special snowflake rules that can easily fit in one book

>>55021107

Thinking about inquisition

Inquisitor really need an errata stating they don't break <KEYWORD> detachments

>>55020424
Yeah, but so far I've been fucked in the junk every game I've played against Sisters. It's a great hard counter for Magnus.

>>55020266
Finish kitbashing the other half of my 20 electropriests and turtle up. If he charges me, I can either hold him with the priests, pull back on my turn and shoot him, or lose one unit and then get the Priests in with reroll ones and beat hin to death.

>>55021113
Not if you include the fluff pages in the equation. And I'd rather they didn't sacrifice fluff pages, ESPECIALLY if they were consolidating the fluff for multiple chapters into the one book.

>>55020759
I still know that Codex almost by heart. I sometimes miss 3rd edition, especially the wargear lists.

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>>55021069
>>55021091
>>55021093

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I challenge you to find a 40k model with a more manly mustache than based BONE'ead

>>55021169
Jesus that's a nasty mold line. Is this your model, anon? If so, what the fuck.

>>55021147
We're not. This was my point. >>55020899

>>55021147
Anon, why do you want less books?
I would be happy if there were books for all the legions, all the ork clans and Eldar craftworlds.
Lets all have more, mang, not less, and especially not out of jealousy or bitterness.

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Vanguard Detachment 989 points

Herald on Burning Chariot x 2
Exalted Flamer x 2
Flamers x 6
Screamers x 6
SOUL GRINDER

Found some cheapish SC Tzeentch boxes and threw this list together; actually pretty low on models but reasonably high on wounds and has ++4 on everything, the Flamers and Heralds should have a reasonable amount of pew pew if we include Smite. Also SOUL GRINDER. Realisitically how bad a list would this be? I don't mind if its mid to low tier, but if its absolute bottom barrel cakewalk stuff then I'll rethink my options.

>>55021145
They can change rules so easy it is not even funny.

White scars have good rules today? LoL my yellow marines are WS successors now
Black Legion are good? Now I'm just rebellious marines.

Marines have such an easy time that they bitching about bad rules is annoying. Other armies can't simply say they are Eldar or Tau when their codex IG suck ass. Hell very few have different rules for their subfactions

>>55021145
Tacticals have shorter range guns and the reason you take them at all are likewise for their even shorter range special weapons. Generally the best way to go is five guys, one with a special weapon, and the sergeant with a combi-weapon. For range reasons you usually want to give these guys a ride though. Either one squad in a Razorback or two sharing a Rhino.

>>55021169
BULLGRYNED

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>>55021169
Boom. You never said it had to be a current model.

>>55021178
We can have the same amount of things in just two version
>faction rules
>subfaction rules
There is literally no need to have one book for every possible subfaction a main army could have

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>>55021135
>buy 1500 pts of Tau before my second game with them in 7th
>buy 1000 more points after playing a few games
>decide I fucking hate painting them and don't enjoy their playstyle because it feels like a WAAC army
That was a dark time

>>55020821
40k is more than 'Good vs. Evil'. You would know that if you bothered with lore instead of shitting up this thread.

>>55019935
I miss oldcrons

>>55021221
Riptides?

>>55021175
Yeah I actually just noticed that when I took the picture, I'll have to doctor that so I don't trigger autists like you
or just don't because I'm lazy and you can't notice it from a distance

>>55021189
Anon, that's scummy shit, period.
I don't have 15k points of UM just to switch to BAs because they have better rules.
I love my army, the work I put into them, the good memories of good battles against that Nid bitch and the Tau Alliance (I got word the whole fucking lot are coming back for a legacy game, I'm hype).
Why you gotta assume everyone is a cunt?

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>>55021209
MY NIGGA

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>>55021169
>40k model
He's basically a Squat.

>>55021221
how about now do you like them?

>>55021204
How can normal humans even compete?!?

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>>55020983
In the Index, there are three Septs mentioned among the rules. T'au, Vior'la, and Farsight Enclaves.

Those three are also the only ones with unique characters in the index, although very few of those characters have any reason to be alive after the 100 year timeskip.

I agree that Sa'cea is likely for the paint jobs, with Dal'yth and Mu'guloth Bay being the next most important, narrative-wise.

The 7E codex provides 18 septs, with Farsight Enclaves having another 4, but I'm pretty sure that ain't gonna happen.

>>55020633
what is that model?

>>55021254
I wouldn't know, I swapped them for more guard stuff for an actually really good exchange, I hear they're shit now

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>>55021069
Who?

>>55021283
No, just not OP.

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>>55021245
>"Tau alliance" UM player
ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY KING
HE WHO TAUGHT US NEVER TO FEAR THE WAACFAG
MAY HE LIVE LONG AND PROSPER
>legacy game
Please be true

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>>55021221

>>55021282
read the filename

>>55021282
Looks like a scratchbuilt GUO

>>55021282
You don't look into a mirror often do you :^)

>>55021297
Greg, the flgs owner, has decreed a 60k point game, Imperium v Tau, 8e, no special characters.
EVERYTHING IS GOING IN, including my old bro's (rip) entire IG army.
>I'm gonna win for you, Ace. I'm gonna fucking win.

>>55021245
You do need an entire new book just to make play red marines and entire new book to play green marines.

That is the point. There could be one, two tops. The "new hat" syndrome needs to stop.

>>55021183
>Realisitically how bad a list would this be?
You have 62 Wounds total:
12-24W at T4, two T4 4W Characters each, two Chariots at T5 8W each, and a Soul Grinder

Most of your ranged weapons are 18" or less. You have almost no objective presence.

Overall I find your list lacking model wise, as your Screamers and Flamers get focused first while the Soul Grinder eats all the AT rounds.

But I don't usually play at that low level. If I were to guess I'd save it was a high D or low C grade list.

>I tried Screamers so much this edition and never could get them to work.

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I just got the day off tomorrow.

Guess who's going to the local Warhammer store to paint some minis?

>>55020054
'Ard Boyz, Looted Wagon, the Burna option for the Big Mek, Grukk, relics like the Lucky Stikk, Tellyporta strategems, older characters like Nazdreg, Wazdakka Gutsmek, Zogwort, and boar riders.

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>>55021221
>start first army
>tau
>color scheme I chose takes ages to paint, have to repaint entire section if I mess up a tiny bit
so now I am that wanker with the mostly unpainted tau

>>55021351
No, you're just lazy.

>>55021244
By that logic you shouldn't shade or highlight models either. Can't notice it from a distance!

>>55021351
nice lenses

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Do you guys like the Warlord for my Imperial Fists army?

>>55021325
Can i get the full story again? Remember hearing part of it a while ago but don't remember it all that well

>>55021277
>Those three are also the only ones with unique characters in the index, although very few of those characters have any reason to be alive after the 100 year timeskip.
We already know that Shadowsun is put on ice between battles. Likely other heroes of the Fire Caste are too.

Hi guys, do you know of any hq's that lets units reroll hit rolls of 1? That combined with a lieutenant will make my deredeo with autocannons pretty much always hit and almost always wound T4 enemies

>>55021069
Word bearers

>>55021351
That's a fucking hideous scheme too.

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>>55021245
>local WAACfag at my store played DA in 7th
>usually plays ravenwing but he's such a bad player my guard almost always beat him
>brings flavor of the month gimmick to our local tourney usually
>we match up, he puts all his dark angels down and says they are all ultramarines and any multimelta or heavy bolted you see is a grav gun and that he's using the skyhammer formation
>mfw I still table him because coteaz and void sheild generator severely blunted alpha strike lists
Do marine players have no shame?

>>55021351

Brown green and gold, yeah seems hard mate...

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>>55021325
>>I'm gonna win for you, Ace. I'm gonna fucking win.
Oh anon. You bring a tear to my eye.

>tfw you get a temp ban from LGS for joking about calling the death guard scythe a manraper without realising there's a mom and kid in their buying YGO

usually while the manager isn't present they turn a blind eye to banter but the soccer mom complained

>>55021406

Space marine (not smurfs) hq's, sorry