Starfinder General /sfg/

>>55016861
I've made a dex/cha Android/Operative/Icon Spy build.
Good luck beating my bluff, I'm clearly just here to perform my songs~

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Which race is/or will become the kitsune of /sfg/?

>>55017305
Shirren clearly.

>>55017305
I'd say Lashunta just for their +cha and 'flaw' being they look too good, but no one has art of the things to shitpost with.

>>55017324
Anon, shirren are for waifuing, not for lewdposting!

How much information do you prefer to have in a race primer for roleplaying? At what point is it autistic wankery that's not worth reading?

>>55017503
Enough to know what the shits are aside from a statblock is nice.

>>55017305

I suppose once we get to know who the cat-people of the Vesk empire are simply because all we know about them is they annoy the hell out of the Vesk because they won't fight them back.

>>55016861
I don't give a shit, I'll gladly use Envoy or Solarian but that said after reading through the the Mystic again I have this idea for an Akashic Mystic who has his own podcast where he talks about random shit he learns (more so when he gets his Akashic Palace) and sends out space youtube videos of various exercises and martial arts techniques he sends to subscribers.

The possibilities of the starship creation make me hard but the rules for space combat make me concerned.

>>55018138
Putting aside the DC, the idea of starship combat just doesn't sit well with me. I haven't looked into the rules in-depth yet but but it's so disconnected from everything else and I'd be concerned about what happens when players lose.

>>55018228
They get boarded by space orcs and asked for autographs, because we're all Icons

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>>55016861
nah, im done.
im tired of this faggot ruiningg the threads.
im not gonna post in this general anymore.
the internet is a big place and i can go to where there are no animefaggots.
peace

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Post character art, preferably anime like.

>starting a Starfinder game with the group after giving it some time for rules to sink into our brains
>everyone made their characters on their own
>whole party is shirrens

I love these people.

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So now that we're in space I feel there should be more stuff for Aberrants and outsiders.

I'm thinking something akin to the 3.5 Alienist but with some Bloodborne thrown into it as well. An example of the Connection ability I would give it (and yes I'd totally steal all of Bloodborne's shit for this)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GSR8HwaTPQ

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>>55018320
It's going to be a bitch finding kasatha art. I bet lashunta are going to be pretty hard too.

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>>55018320
>>55018338
>no one plays weird races because they can't find art for them

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>>55018320
>Solarion attunes graviton

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>>55018367
Ima just be a robot.

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>>55018415

>>55018338
Kasatha all look the same. Draw some antenna on an elf or pretty person, you got a lashunta. 2 e z

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>>55018437
>Kasatha all look the same.
That's real hecking speciest, anon!

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>>55018257
Why would we care. we don't even know who you are.

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Check out my Lashunta!

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There's really nothing stopping blatantly fantasy art from being used is there? Or some picture of a model in street clothes.

aaaaaa i wanna run a cyberpunk game
or a steampunk game
or a dieselpunk game
or a solarpunk game
i wanna run aaall the games

>>55018519
Some mexicunts are trying to co-opt our board.

>>55018541
You could be a

historical re-enactor!

>>55018257
SEE WHAT YOU FAGGOTS HAVE DONE!?!?! ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!? ANON JUST LEFT.

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>>55018555
shouldn't they be pregnant again by now?

>>55018595
Space Morrigan is fucking hot. Jesus christ my dick.

>>55018541
Call it lashunta armour or ceremonial plate.

>>55018554
How is Starfinder so much better at covering different sci-fi than Pathfinder is at fantasy even though sci-fi has such a broader range?

>>55018690
Because Pathfinder was built more heavily off 3.5, which does a fuckawful job of portraying actual fantasy stories and how they work.

Starfinder got away from that more, and so is at least a little better off.

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>>55018320
My future mechanic character, hopefully.

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I remember an anon wanting to be a brain in a jar. I'm guessing that would mean the user's subtype would change to technological ( are androids technological subtype?) Regardless we'll have to waite for the Bestiary to get full details on subtypes though it sure would be nice if they release that along with the CRB.

I'm annoyed that there's no manner to stow weapons quickly.

>>55018730
Could probably just refluff a Contemplative from that First Contact book.
Sell the flight as a hover pod and you're good to go.

>>55018732
I want to house rule quick draw to give you stow as swift, but I'm afraid of it unbalancing things somehow since you'd be able to stow on swift, then draw as part of movement.

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>>55018761

Good point. I wonder how you would handle the body though. Just give them the run of the augments list and let them have whatever is level appropriate? That said, I would say most forms of healing wouldn't work on them at least being 90% mechanical although I don't immediately recall iif there are any technomancer spells that can cure/fix machines.

So uh, funny thing.

There's actually zero reason for anyone to take Weapon Specialization itself as an actual feat.

Because the only prerequisite for Versatile Specialization (Which is Weapon Spec for everything you're proficient in) is to be level 3 and have Weapon Specialization, and everyone gets Weapon Specialization in SOMETHING.

>>55018776
Actually, thinking on it, what I'd REALLY want is the ability to draw or stow as many weapons as you have hands in the same action. Dual Wielding is bad enough, can you imagine being a Kasatha trying to use Fusillade and spending four actions drawing all your fucking guns?

>>55018804
You already have 4 pistols - kinetic, sonic, fire, cold should be enough to cover you.

>>55018836
Fusilade empties your ammunition in exchange for being the fucking coolest for the round.

>>55018836
I'm saying that you have to draw those pistols ONE ACTION AT A TIME

THAT TAKES OVER AN ENTIRE FUCKING ROUND

>>55018857
"I draw my pistols" when you enter the dungeon?

>>55018804
Might be like a contingency thing in case they ever release a class without it. Like how there's feats to get basic melee and small arms proficiency even though everyone has them.

Ok fags, I don't really understand much about this game but I have been led to believe that this is the source of the four breasted conehead woman.

I would appreciate your hospitaly by providing me with four breasted conehead women.

>>55018880
There is nothing here. The four breasted cone-headed women does come from here but you already have all the art of her and there is nothing else of relevance. I am sorry.

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>>55018880

three tits and a head of hair. It's all I can do for you pal.

Can you potentially hack a dead mechanic's exocortex and access the external memory by cracking their head open and directly inputting to it?


I'd imagine bypassing the security for the connections between the brain and exocortex wouldn't be too difficult given how they can only be used by the owner. Well, unless you were concerned about psychic hacking.

>>55018914
no that would cause piazo to think outside of the box
but yes if I was a gm I would let this happen

>>55018866
That's not always gonna be an option man.

Any time you get ambushed or otherwise start combat unexpectedly. Or you had to/have to do something with your hands. Fuck, it takes two entire turns to put them AWAY again!

Does this game have dope ass rules for giant robotscand or power armor?

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>>55018880
This is the only picture of her.

>>55018944
The power armor's not so good, at least yet.

We do not yet have giant robots.

>>55018956
Are they breasts or pectoral muscles?

>>55018905
>>55018911
>>55018934
Can we all agree that Kasathas are the most attractive race in the game? Its, I dunno, maybe being bald and having a veiny melon for a head is more attractive than having hair colors fitting for a character from my little pony.

And I mean >>55018956 look at her eyes. I wonder what their mouths look like? I bet these people talk like fremen asking me to tell them about the waters of my world.

>>55018990
Males don't have it so it's breasts.

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>>55018956
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I nutted!

So the Bombard Soldier's Heavy Fire ability was a little odd already, adding your strength to the damage of ranged attacks.

But it still works with grenades. You throw a grenade so hard it explodes harder.

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>>55018956
Four armpits

>>55018963
Could you just call your space ship a giant robot?

>>55018554
All the scenarios that I can think up that aren't stolen from Outlaw Star are just alien/cyborg street gang wars.

It's funny, the game gives you the whole universe and the only thing I'm concerned about selling space meth and not getting on the wrong side of the Tentacle Brotherhood while in prison.

>nyfiber net does nothing by RAW
Goddammit Paizo.

>>55019079
FAQ fixed it.

>>55019081
FAQ is not errata. It in no way affects RAW.

>>55018804
The Weapon Spec feat is probably there just to tell everyone what happens at level 3. Otherwise in each class you'd have to redefine it with a new name.

>>55018228
It's complicated at first but once you realize it's essentially a whole part controlling character it's not too daunting. Feel fucking sorry for the GM, though.

System seems more for large ship on ship duels instead of group dogfights, though a single-seater starfighter has less variables to consider during it's turn.

>>55019137
iirc you can buy plural smaller ships with your BP, but it's a terrible idea in general.

>>55019137
The system works for large through huge NPC ship on NPC ship, to account for crew bonuses and the like.

Its primary point of failure is when PCs get involved.

You know, I'm not sure the human racials are actually very good at all in Starfinder.

It really irks me that there is no real reason to TWF outside of different damage types or having a reach/ranged weapon in your other hand.

What if the multi-weapon fighting feat reduced the penalty for full attacks by 1 for one-handed melee and reduces the penalty by 2 for operative weapons and small arms?

>>55019168
Floating +2 sure beats having a -2 in something important for your class at least.
The inability to dump stat something else to help buy out of the hole is painful, at best you get a 16/14 split.

>>55019203
A floating +2 doesn't matter when you can't exceed 18 anyway and pointbuy is 1:1.

If your race has a +2 to strength and -2 to int, you can just take 2 points from strength and put them in int. Boof.

Everyone has a floating +2 if you're using pointbuy.

>>55018996
Maybe the males are just weaker.

>>55019152
Not actually covered. Only "how to adjust CR" mentions multiple ships, but that's it.

There's also the problem of roles; a one-man craft apparently lacks the automation to let you properly use the ship at all; forget all the shit you can simultaneously do (and actual pilots, even non-combat ones, need to multi-task far more than this) at the touch of a button or hat-switch in Freespace, Wing Commander, TIE Fighter or even earlier settings like Falcon 4.0.

>>55019215
Anon, the issue is you have two points wasted on a tertiary you don't care about and can't dump to get points back out of, having +2/-2 in stats you care about only evens out, resulting in a net literal nothing.

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What class/archetype would work well with a character that's wheelchair bound?

>>55019168
Humans are shit.

>>55019203
You can use stat arrays instead of point buy to erase bad ractial stats.

>>55019243
Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Every race, at least at this point in time, has a net positive of +2.

And because pointbuy is 1:1, that's all that matters.

It doesn't matter where those stats initially go, because you can shuffle them around as you please.

Take two points from a boosted score, add them to a penalized score, both are 10.

Take two points from your second boosted score, you've got two points to put wherever.

>>55019265
Ysoki Mechanic. Your drone is your wheelchair.

>>55019282
You can't dump stats as he was saying

>>55019310
...

......

Well I'll be fuckled. Dumping stats is technically an optional rule.

What a world we live in.

>>55019282
It doesn't work that way, anon. You cannot dump a stat to get points back in Starfinder.
Racial +2 in str means you have at least 12 str.
Didn't care about str? Points wasted entirely.

>>55019317
The optional rule is that you can dump stats and gain nothing out of it but roleplay value by the way.

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>>55019282

All ability scores start at 10, and then apply race and theme modifiers. At no point in this process can you take back points.

In other words, all, say, ysoki must have at least Dexterity 12 and Intelligence 12.

So here's a question.

Does the Jet Dash feat double the distance you can jump via the Jump Jets drone mod?

I mean it is jumping.

Incidentally, Jet Dash is such a nice name. Way better than 'Run'

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>>55019332
>You get nothing back

In what world did someone decide 'We need an optional rule to let people shit their own stats down the toilet for no benefit' was a good idea? Or at all necessary? Or that anyone would ever fucking use it?

I'm glad the character I got doesn't actually change with this retarded discovery.

>>55019282
You're focused on keeping a net zero. The issue is that if your race makes you put points in a stat you don't care about, you have a net -2, regardless of whether the other stats even out.

You essentially start out with a 12 point buy, but if you have to put 2 points in a worthless stat, you now have a 10 point buy.

>>55019354
They probably wrote the optional "and you get nothing out of it" rule to stop the "hey can I just have 7 str so I can boost my wis?" questions before they began.
They knew no one would use it, but that was its point. It's just there to cock-block something else.

>>55019380
Then why fucking include it in the first place?

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>>55019231
A single pilot fighter can make a single attack at a -2, which I'd imagine is meant to replicate the advantage of having a dedicated gunner? I dunno, it does mean a single pilot can't use their front guns and their rear mounted missile spam in the same turn.

While I'm not good a doing mathematical thought experiments, I'd imagine if you want your players taking on a single elite starfighter ace, you could have a equivalent tier tiny ship and use the BP you save on amenities necessary to support multiple occupants on fuck huge guns and super flight computer that dumps bonuses on you every check.

Alternatively, you could fluff it and say that the ship has it's own AI units that does the job of science officer and engineer.

I mean after all, doesn't every X-Wing have an on board R2 unit to do precisely that?

>>55019394
I do know people that'll dump stats just for roleplaying, and otherwise it's a way to clarify the issue.

>>55019231
Well, it can actually work. A ship can move half its speed and take a shot with a -2 by itself.

So I guess it's if the pilot is focusing more on flying or on shooting?

>>55019438
I am wounded in my fucking soul.

Why does Starfinder have to make me happy with one hand and punch me in the dick with another?

This doesn't even impact my character, it just boggles my fucking mind like Peggy Motherfucking Hill.

>>55019332
I love you 2hu! you are so cute! I one day hope we get into the same game.

>>55019265
Some kind of poor idiot npc class that doesnt have a couple hundred to spare for robo-limbs

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>>55019012

>>55018257
lol i recognise this ho from diaper porn

>>55019428
Can't be done, actually.
There's a hard limit on weapon mounts, especially on tiny ships (two per arc), and the mounts cannot be upgraded to larger models on tiny and small starships. Actually the only things you can spend your BPs on past a certain point are gonna be a bigger computer, bigger shields and stronger countermeasures (and armor but that'll kill your turning radius), within the limitations of the PCU. You also cannot do something like quad-link the guns or aim some side guns forward like on an x-wing, and the single weapon limitation on snap-shot would get in the way there too.

Additionally, your choice of one of the two minors means you can't, say, balance the shields and fly more than half your speed OR fire a single gun at -2.

Now what IS ambiguous is that it's POSSIBLE given starship computers also double as regular computers is that you COULD give it a control module.. that module does specifically mention starships, BUT what exactly is 10% of the device's cost and how many roles can it handle (if it can fully handle one it would be good enough)? I'd be willing to shell out the BPs for it but keep in mind it's not based on the computer's bonuses/nodes but literally 1/2 ship tier, so you're only getting that +30 on a tier 20 ship (+30 bonus won't balance shields on a tier 20 with that DC 55).

Goddamn mess, paizo.

>>55019642
No rules for robospines, anon.

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As widely deried as ME:A was, I do really like some of their armour designs.

When I make up my Human Soldier Bounty Hunter this is what I typically have in mind.

Hyperguardian armour looks sweet.

>>55019443
Minor crew action can be taken once per round and only if nothing else was done in that role. So the ship can move half its speed by itself while you shoot OR take a shot with a single weapon at -2 if you pilot.

Apparently you can't just hold down the trigger with the throttle set to max that's too complicated.

>>55019732
10% of the cost of the starship is a lot, but the smaller ships eventually have a lot of BP to spare. I could see this working... yes, yes I could see this working very well...

>>55019770
>i can see literally being unable to work the controls because of the insane DC's as working very well

goddamn it people

>>55019738
Damn nothing to replace any damaged organs other than eyes either.

>>55019732
Yeah, it would make more sense that a tiny space fighter would have a single all over shield as opposed to shields. It would have a more points than an equivalent normal shield but means it takes damage from all attacks and couldn't be altered with mid combat.

>>55019799
no no no no not that. I mean for, uh, homeruling.

>>55019838
Does an android become a cyborg if they have biological parts put in?

>>55019870
Eh, you can keep the quadrants to keep things streamlined with the rest of the system, most games have'em anyways.

>>55019881
SF androids are already a mix of mechanical and organic parts.... for some reason.

>>55019975
They're more bioroid than android really. And paizo just hates the concept of anyone playing stuff other than humanoids.

>>55019975
Cuz it's really useful to make a robot workforce that needs to eat, sleep, poop, gets sick, feels pain, etc

Might as well consider them as auged out weirdos with mild cyberpsychosis

>>55019975

so can I fuck one?

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>>55020052
They may or may not have the appropriate... equipment. Though I'm sure if they are lacking they could be modified. Just make sure you do it properly.

>>55020025
>the stories of them being an artificially created slave race were post-gap lies perpetuated by a secret group with the agenda of:

>A. Oppressing the group of artificially enhanced supermen
>B. Manipulating them to band together and rise up against organics
>C. Something else

Does a tinfoil hat's +2 bonus to Will saves work against mind altering effects?

So what's the lore explanation for caster levels capping out at 6 now anyway?

>>55020153
Less gamebreaking, more fitting a sci fi theme. Well, science fantasy but still. There's more magic here than even Star Wars, really they could have limited things to only 4th level casters and had the right feel.

>>55020052
Yes, they're just infertile.

>>55020153
Paizo: "The Gap! I ain't gotta explain shit!"

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>>55019975
they arent really organic parts as far as i understand. their organs are still artifical. i see the androids in Sf as similar to the ones in aliens.

>>55020153
Paizo is too scared. Have you seen the SL6 technomancer list? Its shit. Like, literally half these spells are useless unless you're an NPC. The spell slots aren't even useful for metamagic slots since it doesnt work like that anymore so until a splat with better shit comes out, reaching level 16 isnt a big deal anymore.

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>>55020013
Which is offensive and discriminatory to those who are identified by others as vehicles of some sort.

>>55020179

even better

>>55020153
God I hope they release full casters in a splat. This whole everyone is a bard isnt working out for me.

>>55020201
They are close enough to need normal food and sleep. " Due to their biological components, androids need to eat and sleep" pg 43. Though oddly they don't need to breath. Art major in biology...

>>55020214
>>55020240
So go back to PF? 9th level casters have no place in the system/setting, so you may as well stick to the game where they do.

>>55020317
>Not wanting to be a space wizard going from planet to planet blowing up muggles while you laugh at their pathetic fleets and puny wazer wifles

>>55020317
No no, you dont understand. Like 6th level spells, the supposed apex of mastery is literally useless shit that an adventuring PC will most likely never use or does less than the lower level spells. There's balance and there's not making sense on how it feels like you stepped down a level when you reached the top.

>>55020362
>Wizard is attacked!
>She grins as she immediately interrupts with her emergency force sphere
>The laser cannon fails to notice
>Which it turns out is bad for the wizard.

>>55020410
>Implying the wizard isnt immune to fire and laughs even harder as the wazer cannon does nothing to him.

>>55020292
Food provides fuel to power the body, sleep gives them time to defrag their hard drives.

What ever processes their bodies perform to function apparently don't require a constant source of external oxygen.

>>55017503
the more the better for me. if i dont like something i can ignore it or replace it and tell my pcs.

>>55020362
Actually, imagine any PF class finding their way to the setting using their own ruleset and getting their hands on the local toys.

>Barbarian pouncing and attacking a million times opposed to twice per round
>Zen archer with a supergun acting like its the fucking matrix
>Sherlock Holmes better at piloting than most academy trained professionals with decades of experience.

>>55020448
I'd really like to hear the justification for turning normal food into energy with out oxygen. If they can do that there are far better ways to get energy.

>>55020426
you'd be surprised how many full casters assume - often rightly so, mind you - that resistance 20 will do the trick.

Honestly though EFS is one of those spells that's a lot more powerful in pathfinder than with the attack damage in starfinder. That thing shatters a lot more easily with the big hits.

>>55020479
Barbarian's got it made, but the Zen Archer would have little to no interest in the new stuff because all his abilities are "bow only"

>>55020490
>you'd be surprised how many full casters assume - often rightly so, mind you - that resistance 20 will do the trick.
Not against a 20th level SF PC. Every one adds their level to damage their classes give proficiency with. Then you are left with what ever damage the weapon deals. For a level 20 artillery laser that's 9d8. Possibly twice per round.

>>55020479
There are actually rules in the book for converting characters and it states that if you port PF classes they lose iterative attacks.

>>55020490
Another more ridiculous assumption is the wizard doesn't take full advantage of his insane intellect (a level that a SF PC has no hope of achieving) and knowing how shit works and how to counter it before hand.

He will no doubt scry first, examine equipment and prepare beforehand. Lasers? Haha, how about I cast greater invisibility or vanish and be completely immune.

Also, EFS will block the laser since it doesn't bypass magical force.

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>>55020546
>imagine any PF class finding their way to the setting using their own ruleset
>a discussion assuming PF PCs used their own rules
>Derp but what if they didnt!

>>55020599
Does EFS block light though? I recall a sidebar on lasers and force effects from somewhere, says they go right through.

>>55020382
What makes 6th level spells so terrible though? Phoneposting and can't check it myself.

>>55020546
I'm talking about wizards in PF.
It's true that in pathfinder, you're usually much happier with 20 resist everything than immunity to just one energy type. Gets you through most environments except basically total-immersion-in-lava, and lowers a lot of the damage enough to keep you alive.

That was also my point regarding the EFS: hardness 20 with 200HP is a hell of a wall against say 6 attacks in a round; effectively 320 hitpoints between you and whatever wants you gone.

But if you're doing 9d8+20, with possible penetration bonus too? Or worse yet a triple nuke turret because someone got pissed off?

>>55020636
Lasers completely ignore force effects.
They ARE however countered by invisibility, effectively ignoring the target and continuing past it the same way.

>>55020636
>>55020656
>Laser weapons
>Barriers of energy or magical force block lasers
I mean come on, at least read your own rules.

>>55020636
Pathfinder lasers ignore force effects entirely. Even deflection bonuses if they're from force effects.

Starfinder lasers ignore transparent surfaces but ARE blocked by magical and technological forcefields.

So it depends which book the guns are from.

>>55020674
pathfinder wizard.
pathfinder lasers.
>A laser attack can pass through force fields and force effects, such as a wall of force, to strike a foe beyond without damaging that field.

>>55020700
The pathfinder wizard is fighting starfinder lasers though. And again, why bother with EFS when greater invisibility makes lasers a fucking joke.

>>55020679
Really? I mean... really? Guess I already plan to houserule a bunch of other things, just one more for the list.

>>55020735
You didn't think they'd be consistent on the things that actually make sense (such as light going through a forcefield like all the other light) would you?

They only do that for the stuff that isn't good.

>>55020636
>What makes 6th level spells so terrible though?
Paizo didnt realize that the updated rules means a lot of "good" shit doesn't work anymore. Lets look at the list of 6th level spells.

>Battle junkbot
Not bad, not good either, it dies fast and you'll need at least 2 rounds to get it going or at least need some convenient junk right in front of you. Maybe you can ask a teammate to store junk and waste his actions retrieving and dropping it at the start of combat.

>Chain surge
Powerful but your initial target must have tech on him. Useless in the rare occurrence when you run into not!tyranids/not!zerg.

>Control gravity
Needs a will save now, everyone with flight can easily pass the test to avoid crashing. Anyone without flight at this level is a joke.

>Control undead
LOL

>Discharge, Greater
Decent but not amazing. Useful against martials but targets their strong save.

>Disintegrate
Was mediocre then, is mediocre now, Targets EAC which is now easy to raise. On top of its other issues in PF means you will need to win the lottery several times before you achieve effect. (actually hit, actually bypass SR, actually fail his fort save)

>Ethereal Jaunt
It was shit then, its shit now

>Flight 6
Party members should be expected to provide their own means of flight at this level. If they cant then you can easily spare Flight 3 on the handful that don't.

>Holographic image 6
PF Project image, Was good then, remains good now, probably a priority. Combo with quickened fog cloud for best results.

>Interplanetary teleport
You are a spontaneous caster now, chances are, your campaign won't need this or you will already have a plot device that does the same thing.

>Invisibility, mass
Shit, Forces the group to stay in formation. One fucker breaking the invisibility breaks it for all of you.

>Planar barrier
Useful only to NPCs
(tbc)

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>>55020878
Disintegrate does huge damage.

>>55020878
Won't the attack on EAC basically be something like a 60% chance to hit, with a 25% chance of the target failing their fort save if it does?

That seems rather... unlikely to function.

>>55020878
(cont)
>Plane shift
No longer usable as a save or die. Campaign specific if your group is interested in actually travelling to different planes instead of planets.

>Resistant Armor, Greater
Mediocre, maybe use a lower spell slot for 5 less DR/resist

>Rewire flesh, mass
Questionable, Useful if your enemies rely on dex to dodge shit, otherwise why not use Slow instead?

>Shadow walk
Use teleport instead

>Shadowy fleet
Looks cool, retardedly shitty. only deals 6d6 damage, being shot at counts as interacting so they get to save every round. If you want to bluff about having starships then maybe use holographic image instead.

>Sympathetic vibration
Ridiculously shitty. Ignore hardness, 2d10 sonic damage vs inanimate objects, doesnt work on starships (wow!). Maybe use it on tanks? oh wait, 10 minute cast time. Only real use is to destroy unattended buildings or vehicles. You are at least a 16th level adventurer at this point. There are tons of ways you can blow up buildings.

>Terraform
Become Jesus, useless but the fluff sounds cool right? Oh wait, 30k C per casting per 100ft radius. Maybe use it on a very very very small planet?

>True seeing
Same as pf, Maybe use see invisibility instead? Then again, illusion magic seems to be the best school right now so it could be useful by comparison.

>Veil
Funny but not that great.

>Wall of steel
Its wall of stone but not stone. Useful, made better since there are few useful spells at this level. Wall of force might be just as good for combat purposes though

need clarification for minor crew action:

Glide, how come a minor crew action lets you automatically add your Pilot Rank to your ship's AC when Pilot Action: Evade only adds +2 and that's if you pass the check

Am I missing something?

>>55021017
Pilot action: evade means there's already someone in the pilot role giving their pilot rank to ship AC.

>>55020957
It uses int+BAB so at level 16 you'd have 25~27 int depending on your personal upgrades that would be a +8 tops then +12 BAB to a total of +20 to hit. Light armor at tier 16 is +19 EAC before dex so yeah, you'd have a fucked up chance of hitting even if you were facing a mook. Its your best spell slot so people would assume you'd save it for bosses so imagine trying to hit a guy two to three levels higher than you who also uses cover, some sort of miss chance and probably SR. Its fucking useless.

>>55021037
ah must've glanced over that part, that makes sense

>>55020878
I think Disintegrate's best use currently is a 6th level version of Knock that works on any door.

>>55021165
Entrhopic touch is probably just as good and is available from a much lower level.

>>55020937
Thank you anime chan, please give me a hit of that blunt, life is being a bitch right now.

What're your opinions on the Mystic spell list? I think it's overly mind-affecting, but it's better than the Technomancer's

>>55021571
I haven't checked it yet since I'm still focusing on breaking down the Technomancer. I'll probably get to it second.

did you remember to respect Shirren pronouns?

>>55021683
We must respect everyone's pronouns, genderfluid is the norm in the future.

>>55021683
he, she, BRRRRT?

Anyone knows the name of the main artist in Starfinder?

>>55021683
She/He/Victim?
He/She/Chest

>>55021712
>>55021725
It is actually They for Hosts

Does the host for shirren eggs have to be shirren? Can fertilized shirren eggs be oviposited into my lashunta?

This is very important.

>>55021745
Why not come up with a unique pronoun for hosts?

>>55021745
Odd, I would've thought "Jaffa"

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>>55021771

>>55021764
Because it is probably a translation for Common language
Nobody knows how Shirren's own language works

>>55021764
it's not male, it's not female, and 'they' is the neutral singular.

pronouns exist to simplify communication by allowing one to truncate a full identification into as basic and universal a reference as possible, so that you don't need to repeat Major-General John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Esquire six times a paragraph. If everything has its own pronoun, you've basically just started using names again.

Arguably a single universal neutral-singular pronoun to avoid the occasional confusion if referring to both a single and multiples through they would be a decent addition to the language, and 'hosts' would make good use of that. but that's about the extent of it. Most certainly communications would be severely hampered if six different species all had their different pronouns in every language.

>>55021805
What do you call a Setesh Guard with two brain cells?

First Prime

>>55021760
That's lewd, anon. You'd need the female to fill you with eggs and then the male stuff you with sperm.

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>>55021852

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>>55021876

>>55019731
Okay, you can't just say that and not provide a link, senpai. Does she poop in them?

>>55021852
That made my nose drip

my cheeky players want to sell their ship to get better gear. what do I do? already told them its gonna be difficult to sell an entire starship

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>>55019741
Hyperguardian is definitely nicer than the Heleus Defender, whether you change the color or not.

>>55022963

>Change the color

You have something against purple, anon?

>>55022933
Make it a company car that they aren't allowed to sell.

>>55022978
In the case of that armor, I'd darken the light grey armor plates, if not completely blacken them. Then darken the purple itself. I am not fond of mid to bright colors, preferring darker tones and blues.

But, hey, to each their own.

>>55019741
Am I alone in thinking the armor options in ME:A were really boring compared to what was available in earlier titles?

>>55023054

How do you mean?

>>55023120
They just seemed very samey visually speaking. I didn't find any of the armor pieces jumping out at me as particularly interesting or something that I wanted for aesthetic reasons.

>>55023162

What sort of designs did you prefer from the rest of the series?

Is there any official word yet on just what survived the Gap/ the disappearance of Golarion? Obviously Elves, Dwarves, etc. but what about other monsters of the realm? Gnolls, ogres, elementals, gryphons, owlbears? I'm sure anyone at the moment can come up with lore for things not specifically stated in the currently out books, but I was curious what was currently official for having survived.

>>55023757
buy paizo modules to find out

>>55023757
If owlbears have gone extinct, we just need to make new ones. With science.

>>55023781
But how do we do that? How do we make owlbears?

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>>55023811
THEY FUCK, ANON. WE MAKE THE OWLS AND THE BEARS FUCK, AND FUCK UNTIL THERE'S BILLIONS OF OWLBEARS ACROSS THE GALAXY

>>55023811
I have ranks in Professor (Animal Husbandry).

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>>55020201
>>55020292
>>55020448
>>55020489
i dont think they use normal food. i think they use special android food. anyway has anyone seen "the machine"? in that movie they have a shot of the artificial brain that the AI uses. its like a soft plasticy jelly fish type of material. almost like jello but abviously not organic. thats how i see the androids in this game. amazing movie btw, i recommend it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9oa93BrNuw

this scene was creepy as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzwjeSoHxhM

>>55023757
>Gnolls, ogres, elementals, gryphons, owlbears?

Elementals still exist because the Planes still exist, but the rest of them? They're probably gone. Whatever caused the Gap had been sure to select which races made it off the planet and which had not.

THAT SAID, I think a planet of Syrinx philosophical bio-tyrants would be great.

>>55023757

Pretty sure elementals are still around, Golarion blowing up probably didn't kill the Elemental Planes. Lamashtu is still around, so she's probably rebirthed the gnoll race by now. Ogres are probably gone, along with gryphons and owlbears-though the latter may show up in Lamashtan or Orasian laboratories.

>>55023924
Do you think Lamashtu and Oras get frisky?

>>55023757
i doubt many low int creature societies survived. half orcs live almost entirely as drow slaves IIRC

Someone has another link for the core book ?

I can't download for the link on OP every time I reach 70% the download stop.

>>55023924

There's also the fact that space travel has been a thing for some time so probably some or a lot of them are spread out in various places. I could imagine planets well outside the Pact worlds that have pre-Gap shit in it like the descendants of some Gnoll slaves who got abandoned on a planet or the body of some Fighter from Golarion who's armor and weapons are still good even after thousands of years.

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>>55023946

Probably not. Oras' deal is creating creatures that can adapt and survive through constant change-Lamashtu just wants to spread monsters across the stars.

>>55023974
http://zalil.su/5863936

>>55023957
>half orcs live almost entirely as drow slaves IIRC

How are Drow getting all these half-orcs if their Orcs exist entirely as slaves...

... Oh no. Oh no no no. Is this going to be a repeat of the Gnome Conspiracy from Arcanum?

>>55023986
Thank you Anon.

>>55023996

It's possible that half-orcs are common simply because the orc blood in the populace is heavily diluted. There may not be many pure-blood orcs left.

And by all accounts, medium-sized creatures are capable of carrying half-orcs safely to term.

>>55023034
>I'd darken the light grey armor plates, if not completely blacken them
Funny, I'd like to maker the plates even lighter, if not white.

>blues
Changing the purple in to royal or midnight blue would be a nice change.

Regardless, it's a nice looking suit, even if the source is kind of crap.

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>>55023996
>Gnome Conspiracy from Arcanum
Fuck me, I had managed to forget that bit.

>>55022122
technically sfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn85J6KgM14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSc3nC6DSiI

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>>55024239

By forgetting it, you only allow it happen again, anon.

Operator is not as strong as kneejerk reaction thought
Solarion is not as bad as kneejerk reaction thought

>>55025000

That's good. How is Envoy?

>>55025025
The bigger your party is, the stronger Envoy gets.

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>>55025025
I don't know how strong it is but I was able to talk my GM to oking porting leadership for an AI cohort Envoy that doesn't have their own body but rather lives in what ever computer is on hand and is probably going to ride around in my mechanic's custom rig when out adventuring.

>>55024469
Time for a revolution. The gnomish 1% needs to go.

>>55025161
>I can't let you do that Dave
>come on man, just lemme browse big tit lolis for once!

>>55025161
Thanks anon, you're now making me want a female-gendered Ship AI that grows up alongside the party, going from a spunky short-haired tomboy into a full-figured motherly protector.

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>>55025370
On the other hand the might fill up hard dives with their smut collection. 10 points to Gryffindor is you get this reference.Minus 20 points from Gryffindor if you get the reference you perv.

>>55025525
... Krieger's Virtual Girlfriend?

>>55025549
No. It's a TiTS character.

>>55025671

I get the sense that if I ask what that is, I will live to regret it.

>>55025794
It's a shitty reimagining of Corruption of Champions in space, only to get mired in appeasing the furry mafia.

>>55025821

Yeah, don't know what that is either. Sorry.

>>55025845
30 points to Hufflepuff!

>>55025794
>>55025845
Pornographic texted based flash game. Started as a hobby project, got popular, people started throwing money at it and not people are slowly developing it as a full time job. As with most porn stuff on the internet furries seem to have the most money to throw at it so a lot of the content is furry.

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>>55025929

Duly noted.

>>55025890

T-thank you.

>>55025929
I've always wondered why furries in particular have so much money, or are ready to burn so much money for porn.

>>55025929

I was shocked when I saw the patreon making some $28,000a month for those games.

Sex sure does sell.

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>>55025525
Filling up the hard drive with smut sounds like a Dave Lister sort of thing to do.

>>55026169

...I need to start making sex games...

Does anyone have the Starfinder Scenario #1 PDF?

>>55026142
I've heard it said there's a remarkable number in STEM fields, and because their interest is pretty niche, they pretty much have to pay for anything themselves if they want it. By living otherwise modest or even spartan lives, they can save a shitload of cash to spend on their "hobby" without really impacting their living situation. Kind of like wargamers, really. Except for the whole "boinking animal people" thing, but that's not mutually exclusive.

>>55026142
They don't have wives or children to drain their resources.

>>55026300
I understand investing big into one hobby, the part that confuses me is why furries in particular? Why don't vore fetishists or diaper fetishists go beyond solitary commissions for their interest?

>>55026373
Because their fetish is a large one. It can be leaked into just about any other fetish. Also more artist are probably willing to draw animal people because there are plenty of cartoons with them as opposed to others.

>>55026142
They're very much a feast/famine type of people, they cash a paycheck and spend maybe a tenth of it on food, half of it on rent/utilities, and the rest on porn.

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Anyone got that 3rd party supplement?

>>55018708
How do you think this character would work as a mechanic?

>>55020479
>Sherlock holmes better at piloting

Nope. Class features are a no-no.

I did some comparing of the weapons on differing tiers and they seem a bit weird.

For example, the autobeam artillery elite has 1 less median damage than the autobeam rifle elite. Is this because the artillery has more range?

Then you compare projectile weapons at tier 13, the automatic rifle has 8 less median damage than the heavy weapon despite the range disparity being the same as the previous example. The only difference being that the automatic rifle is analog, while the heavy weapon is not.

This game seems to be really off.

>>55027394
Muh waterbaloon soldier.

>>55027056
Bonuses to skill checks work fine, anon.

>>55027394
I'm not seeing what you're saying heavy auto laser is 30 average, longarm auto laser is 27?

>>55027450
Not if they're from class features.

>>55027463
>>55027394
Order backwards, it's 3 damage less

>>55027481
>>55027463
>>55027394
longarms are always better for auto
L11:12.5
H10:9

L15:17.5
H16:18

>>55027472
>this is what people who didn't read the rulebook actually believe

>>55027417

>ywn get into a water fight with Obozaya

>>55027578
Was that thing supposed to be female? Where are its feminine wiles?

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>>55027536
http://anydice.com/program/ca59

Granted, I might've goofed on the math somewhere.

>>55027578

Vesk females are recognized by being larger and more colourful than males.

>>55027817
That was meant to be a reply to >>55027595

>>55027817
Thats it? No lizard tits, lizard hips or lizard lips?
Just head to the vesk bar and hit on a sufficiently big guy hoping that you measured em right and you aren't going home with a vesk dude for the night?

What are vesk traps like? Lizard dudes trying to get swole af?

Do manlet vesks become the manliest of them all then?

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>>55016861
anyone else think that humans kinda suck in this game?
they cant dump a stat and get only a single +2
effectively they are down 4 stat points
other races have badass abilities too
like android vision and armor slot
lizard armor bonus
lashunta skills bonus

im pretty sure humans suck.

>>55027891
That, and paint themselves. Female vesk have more vibrant coloration, while the males are a boring green.

>>55027912
>they cant dump a stat and get only a single +2
>effectively they are down 4 stat points
No one can stat dump in Starfinder, anon. If your not-Human race has a +2 going somewhere pointless it's lost forever.
Floating +2 means, as always, humans are the best fit for literally any class.

>>55027912
They get an effective +1 for Intelligence, a free feat in a game where feats are more important than ever, and the floating +2 can be put into anything.

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>>55027953
>No one can stat dump in Starfinder, anon.
every alien gets a -2 in something in exchange fro another +2.
>a free feat in a game where feats are more important than ever
are they? i guess thats kinda ok...

sell me on making a human soldier then. i think i want to make one

>>55027813
oh you were using the projectile gun
Yeah, the heavy auto gun is just really good

>>55027912

You're absolutely right, anon. That's why you should play Cassians instead.

>>55028086
>every alien gets a -2 in something in exchange fro another +2.
Humans get a +2 that can go anywhere.
Ysoki, for example, get a +2 in Dex and Int.
If you didn't want to invest in both Dex and Int on your Ysoki, all you've done is gained a -2 to Str and possibly missed a +2 to your main stat if you didn't care about either.

It's much more difficult to play a class your race isn't statted for in SF than it is in PF because you can't dump scores to get those points refunded into soemthing useful.

>>55027912
i think humans should get a gold bonus or something

>>55028312
But anon.

We don't use gold anymore

>>55028086
Going with the classic Blitz spec, the human gets +2 Strength, bonus feat can mean Improved Initiative to Always Go First and climb all over those riflemen (with Step Up taken ASAP), alongside Weapon Focus.

Get the leg enhancements for speed as they become available to be Space Sonic. Nothing that wants to stay away will ever be able to do so.

>>55027912
It doesnt help that low level feats are kind of shitty so chances are that you'll not find much of value other than improved init.

>>55018702
As someone who hasn't tried starfinder yet, what kinds of things have they changed in that respect?

>>55028411
>cleave exists in a system without iteratives or the ability to otherwise move and double attack
>low level feats are bad!

>>55028462
BAB+1 anon, 3/4 BAB classes can't get it at level 1.

>>55028462
Yeah, Cleave is actually pretty alright now.

>>55027912
Yo I wanna fuck that busty redhead.

Honestly, I really wish they'd kept SOME things as free actions.

Not being able to draw weapons as a free action makes dual-wielding a massive pain, and god forbid you're a Kasatha trying to use those arms and Fusillade.

>>55028536

Guess you just need to keep your weapons handy, anon.

I think Lashunta are way too sexy and it detracts from the supposed gender-neutral egalitarian thing they're trying to go for.

>>55028716

Even the squat, burly ones with lots of body hair?

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so uh.....
is power armor even good?
if youre a high dex fighter it takes away your dex bonus to ac
if your a high str fighter it takes away your str bonus

what is the point of it?

>>55028758
ESPECIALLY the squat, burly ones with lots of body hair.

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>>55027578
>>55027817
>"As with many vesk, her gruff manner is punctuated with sudden outpourings of emotion, and with her characteristic directness, Obo finds no fear or shame in telling her friends how much she loves them."

>You will never adventure with some giant lizard you met in a random port somewhere
>You will never assume they're just some random big lug because hey, these aliens all look the same
>You will never do a bunch of missions with "it" finding camaraderie as you stick with each other through thick and thin
>Your "bro" will never get plastered with you and suddenly tell you how much she loves you
>You will never slap her in the back, laugh and assume its just some random drunken rambling
>You "bro" will never repeat, on many occasions how much she loves you
>You will never stop laughing as you believe you just taught an alien the intricacies of ironic humor
>You will never hook up with a hot kasatha slut plain sight of your "bro"
>You will never wonder why it was making that weird sound that almost sounds like crying when you stumble back home after a quick kasatha fuck.
>You will never look it in the eye and and ask it why stuff is coming out its eyes (crocodile tears? lmao!)
>You will never be grabbed by the shoulders and shaken violently as the lizard tells you for the nth time that it loves you
>You will never regret teaching your lizard "bro" ironic humor as you start thinking that its taking it a bit too far

>>55028716
Show me a pic of a hot lashunta other than the iconic technomancer.

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>>55028947
More

>>55028405
It's been out two weeks. There are no 'classic' builds yet.

>>55028947
>>55029016
>>55029034
Like, I'm looking at the rest of these Lashunta and they're all uniformly attractive. The women are lovely and the men are dashing.

>>55028536
As a general rule in a high tech civilization, you're not going to need to have weapons instantly available because you'll be either prepped for a fight, or no one will be prepped for a fight. If you're a spacefarer in an alien jungle/asteroid field/gas planet,why the fuck didn't you have a weapon already out for Klono''s sake!

>>55029110
Perhaps. It's just the one I always see, and the one more people here are going to be familiar with.

>>55028786
And if you're an envoy, it makes you better at both.

Stupid fucking idiot, don't listen to autistic nimrods and THINK.

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>>55029211
if youre an envoy it takes away 2 feats

>>55029251
Well according to 2hou you don't need feats, you need attack bonuses.

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How do I make Zyzz in space?

>>55025525

I'll take that -10, don't temp me into making a half bred ex pirate.

>>55025671
Can you link it please? Its hard to google since its such a generic word and all.

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Do we have a decent timeline yet? I know they leave The Gap vague, but do we know how long passed between it and the present day? What about the time period from Pathfinder to The Gap?

>>55029563
The Gap ended 317 years ago, and covered a period of "several millenia."

>>55029563
>but do we know how long passed between it and the present day

Yes, including major events such as the Silent War and arrival of the Idari.

>>55027544
No it's what people who read page 322 of the rule book and take it at it's most simple obvious means think. The sentence "Class features and items affect crew actions only if specifically noted in the class feature or item." seems pretty clear as many classes have a class feature that gives a skill bonus to skill often used in ship combat. But the developers had to quickly change it's meaning so that the highest level skill checks are even possible to make for even the most specialized of characters.

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>>55029693
>class feature adds to skill, skill is used in starship action
You PRETENDING to be retarded, orrr

>>55029694
Thanks anon!

>>55027953
Ysoki and Android engineers focusing on ranged combat both have a slight advantage since the get a +2 to both Dex and Int. You can't always use race to dump for a beneficial stat but there are some specific combination that are more advantageous.

>>55026373
Part of it is that it's sometimes disgustingly specific. Rule-34 turns out to have certain limits when it comes to purely imaginary entities.

>Easy one, let's take catgirls. One guy is basically just into anime and will ask for that kind of catgirl. Another one will want her to have six-breasts and be covered in fur. The third creep wants her covered in fur, but with just two massive human breasts, an obvious snout, a dick three times as big as yours, balls ten times as big as that, and he'll pay you three hundred if she's pregnant and wearing a comically-filled condom.

-Source: My ex wife draws some of this stuff smalltime at conventions and the like

>>55028411
Well a human could get weapon focus and versatile weapon focus at level one, and with some few ways to boost attacks right now it's probably worth it. Especially with 3/4 classes get and additional +1 from it starting at level 9.

>>55029745
You are made of bullshit.

Those are the ONLY class features that could possibly affect the starship rules in any fashion: Expert Rigs and higher state exactly what they can do for starships.

Now, if you want to know which one's ambiguous, it's the fucking item part. Because see... Personal Enhancement bonuses... Are items too. So by RAW that +6 dex which increases your bonus to piloting and gunnery by +3 each should not be applying...

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>>55030152
Talk about a fucking shitposter.

>>55030241
Just fill that thread with character art so we can move on.

>>55030268
Not even. Sage it, let it die, make a real one when this one's at 9-10.
Usually I'd rather around 8 but fuck this asshole, he's been keeping his own up for three hours.

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Again, reminder that there are taco gremlins trying to co opt our general.

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