Starfinder General /sfg/

>>55009934
Why are you such a faggot?

>>55009934
What in the actual fuck?

>>55009934
I'm so excited for shitfinder I can't wait to play some really fucking terrible paizo trash

>>55011284
Fuck you.

>>55012778
Whatever you say, Paidrone.

>>55009934
how come that planet doesnt have cat ears? this is no true paizo thread

>>55013856
Because this thread is just a false flag by the anime poster. It only exists to make yet another anime thread posted on page 4 palatable.

>>55011284
Eat a dick.

>>55016861
Real new thread.

OP here

bumping thread to keep it alive

why did it suddenly get quiet?

what class is everyone playing?

>>55019807
Eh, just keep it alive until the anime thread dies.

And planning a drone mechanic girl with the Icon theme showing off her hardware to the galaxy.

>>55019807
Space Trucker, my dude.

>>55010694
But OP didn't post an anime picture.

Why are you fuckers still bumping this trashpile?

>>55025348
Maybe you could have saged the thread when you posted your criticism then.

>>55029673
Right back at you. And as far as I know, I did sage when I posted that.

>>55030063
Check the thread in the archives:
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/55009934/
OP has been bumping and deleting his posts to keep this thread afloat.

>>55030154
Well let's just fill this thread up with character art so we can move on.

>>55019985
Can't post that on a blue board.

Sooo.
Is the whole idea of equipment level a good idea, a bad idea, or somewhere between?

>>55031067
Good idea, but Starfinder's implementation is really terrible.

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>>55031067
i like it.
makes gear mor interesting IMO than just having a +1 sword

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>>55031067
>>55031304
and adding all the different types of guns was a good idea too. the plasmas, lasers, bullets, shotguns,pistols.
im pretty pleased with it so far

>>55031067
I don't fucking like it at all it would be one thing if they had a bunch of interesting weapons but they don't and it just follows the NUMBERS GET BIGGER rule that fills the whole fucking book and it almost removes any possible customization to weapons with it not like crafting was worth half a damn now anyway

>>55031477
>I don't fucking like it at all it would be one thing if they had a bunch of interesting weapons but they don't
but they do......
line weapons
blast weapons
cone weapons
automatics
singel shots
freeze guns
pistols
rifles
cannons
lasers
plasma
lightning

>>55031477
>No possible customization

What the fuck are weapon fusions then you goit?

>>55031569
I agree with >>55031477, you're getting the illusion of choice with weapons. It should have been a modular system where you have one or two base weapons in each category that allow you to customize your weapon's damage type, firing shape, power level, etc. with upgrades and modules. You shouldn't have to repurchase your weapon every single time you level up.

>>55031651
This guys has the point I'm trying to make

>>55031651
This would have been so much better than what we got. It doesn't stop people from figuring out the exact optimal set of weapon characteristics, but it at least lets you determine your own fighting style and put your character's personality into his weapon.

What is a good set of items to buy for a mechanic?
The amount is 1k

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How do you plan to use Goblins in your games, /pfg/?

>>55033140
Cannon fodder, same as pathfinder.

>>55033140
Sex slaves, same as pathfinder.

This is the real thread in my eyes anime finder should be its own thing.

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Alright folks time to stat the true kin.

What the fuck keeps happening? Which thread are we keeping?

>>55033880
The other one is anime wank do not want.

>>55033880
This thread, ignore and report the anime thread.

>>55033140
Best race, same as pathfinder.

>>55033880
People get mad about ops they don't like and make their own thread. That's all that's happening.

>>55033895
>>55033908
Funny, everyone hated this thread when it was made only 125 posts into the last one.

>>55033941
>Funny, everyone hated this thread when it was made only 125 posts into the last one.
Generalss are fickle creatures, but one fact will remain forever true: anime threads are always trash.

Which classes, if any, do you guys think are worth transferring over from pathfinder?

I am definitely going to do paladin at least.

>>55033988
Slayer and vigilante would both be fun.

>>55033855
Morally corrupt Elf. Done.

Is there any way to upgrade a weapon's damage? Like if i wanted to use the bow beyond very low level, is there anything i can do?

>>55034672
You could homebrew up better bows. Just randomly multiply the price every few levels and chuck a few extra damage dice on top with no particular rhyme or reason.

>>55034716
>>55034672
Go read some classic Green Arrow (DC), or some Hawkeye (Marvel). The ideas for specialty ammo just never stop.

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>>55033988
oracle is probably my favorite class ever in any RPG. so much flavor and awesomeness.
ive always wanted to play a heaven mystery clouded vision double burden.

religion doesnt seem to be as big of a deal in starfinder, but it would still be cool. they could add new mysteries and burdens that are space themed.

>>55034672
I would just ask for a crafting roll and work out the damage with you.

>>55034672
i think there are spells you cna add on, call fusions

>>55036031
But he doesn't want spells he wants a way to keep his bow.

all the fusions only add half of the current weapons damage I don't want to sound bitter but fusions are just enchantments to weapons and doesn't change *that* much

>>55035979
They could probably expand the mystic class with it. They seem similar at least conceptually.

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>>55036322
i need to read up on the mystic, i have barely even looked at it. the mechanic gets me all hot and bothered. are the spells fun and useful?

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>>55009934
i am gong to post android girls

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>>55036757
come post with me

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>>55036781
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>>55036828
>>55036805
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>>55036757
These images are really cute, I wish they weren't animated though.

>>55036911
why

>>55036938
Mostly because I can't focus on the details and partially because its a little dizzying to look at.

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>>55036945
must suck to have epilepsy

>>55035979
I was thinking oracle too, but bringing fullcasters forward into starfinder is asking for trouble.

>>55033988
Wizard!

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>>55037116
obviously it would have to be editted, but there could be some amazing fluff written for a space oracle. could have so many different omninus and mysterious mysteries related to space, black holes, nebulas, entropy, time, gravity, void, light, radiation, all the horrifying stuff in physics

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>>55037162
I agree, Witch would be another similarly fun class to port over to Starfinder.

Is anybody here actually running a Starfinder game or are we all just whiteroom theorycrafting about the system?

>>55037230
Grenade tailtip. Seriously.

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>>55037613
im in this game, the GM is looking for more if you want in

https://www.myth-weavers.com/game.php?g=29551

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>Starfarer's Companion
>Most feats are either racial garbage or more things that should be accomplished with skills or roleplay
>Improved Suppression
>Replaces make an attack with a +4 modifier with make an attack using your attack
Since when do you not add attack modifiers to an attack roll?

>Equipment section is nothing but shields that are entirely too strong in comparison to phase shields
>Computer additions are vending machines and skill modules that add up to +10 to skill checks for computers that already scale skills to 2.5*tier
>Sample computers are cool to see in format but all of them are encounters and not equipment that PCs would want to buy

>Spells are all over the place

I wish I cared about the races so that I could find something I like about this book.

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>>55037613
what race and class do you want to play and waht is your backstory?

>>55033855
The Dark Elves are just mercenary Drow or particularly vicious Elves. I'm straight up planning to make one for Starfinder anyway.

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>>55037964
they have a whole planet out in the outer solar system. inside the planet is a huge, planet sized mega dungeon with all kinds of spooky space horrors. idk if they have the same type of society tho. they have orc slaves that they use as fodder to explore the dungeon

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Myth-Weavers has a Starfinder sheet, now!

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>>55038008
oh yeah?
sweeeeeeeet
can i add pictures to it?

>>55037937
>Since when do you not add attack modifiers to an attack roll?
When you use Suppressive Fire, idiot. Improved will allow you to use your full bonus instead of limiting it to +4. Good for when you have a total more than +4. Duh.

>>55038008
>No character portrait

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>>55037000
I love overwatch

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>>55038008
looks like the sheet has some issues on it. no character portrait. no room for droids. weapons have no ammo

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>>55038022
>>55038049

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>>55038049
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>>55038101
liars, theres a spot for a portrait ont he 3rd page

>>55038066
I remember a time when Mei was the waifu of the year.

Now she's just some random character nobody cares about from a shit game.

>>55038124
Why the fuck would you put it there?

>>55038124
>Now she's just some random character nobody cares about from a shit game.

Remember when Hestia was waifu of the year? Funny how flavors change.

>>55038008
Why is it telling us to put in weight when items are measured in Bulk?

>>55038139
Get with the times grandpa, pretty sure glim glam is the latest waifu

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>>55038008
the armor slot cant be seperated into EAC and KAC
the sheet is totally broken

>>55038164
>You will never build a robot waifu with a fully functional nervous system just to subject her to the torments of being hooked up to a milking machine.

>>55038198
That's what an Android is, anon.

What do robot nipples feel like?

>>55038237
Heated gel, so pretty nice.

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>>55038237
you know those dr scholls shoe inserts that are all nice and soft and gellin?
like that.
but warm and throbbing
heaving with lust
filled to the brim with thick delicious milk
the slightest touch to her nipples sends her into a state of insatiable arousal
and her milk is kept constanty dripping

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>>55038397
FFFFF Discord now! Lets hook up!

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mythweaver sheet known issues

>>55038409
im not a fag

>>55038397
>You will never be a privileged but sheltered son of career oriented parents
>You will never be raised and nursed by an android nanny
>She will never continue to fuss over you late into your teens
>She will never approach you one day reveal her sore roboronis and ask you to relieve her
I can't wait for the lewd SFG games

What is the best locale for a cyberpunk campaign; Absalom, Verces or Triaxus?

>>55038726
Absalom for Cyberpunk 2077, Verces for Deus Ex, Triaxus for Shadowrun.

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>>55038040
Where in the Suppressive Fire rules does "ranged attack roll" get defined as a D20 with no ranged attack modifiers?

>>55038844
There was no such rule until now

>>55038223

No, androids are replicants.

>>55038844
Logic? Why would you get a free +4 to your attack for making an AOE attack?

>>55038726
Verces has it all, the best skydocks in the system, a skyscraper filled city that's constantly in night time, and the brightzone is a desert/mad max type of environment where the lowest class of society scramble for survival. There's also mysterious ice monasteries in frozen lakes near the poles.

>>55038893
They have synthetic parts that mimic organic organs, but unlike Replicants you don't need a fancy test to tell who is or is not an Android.

>>55038844
Because the 3pp says so

>>55038844
yeah I'd rather listen to the CRB than a shitty 3p book

"Ranged Attack Roll" = "Ranged Attack Roll" and not a d20 roll until Paizo clarifies it.

Obviously Starfarer was rushed out to fill the lack of content in the new system, now I know to stay away from that shit for my games.

>>55038899
Because the CRB says so directly in plain text without any contradiction or implication otherwise.

If the rules as intended were not to use a ranged attack roll, it shouldn't directly state that you make a ranged attack roll. Otherwise, people are going to use their ranged attack roll, just as the book said.

>>55038952
>>55039016
I've never actually been angry while reading a 3pp rulebook. Starfarer's Companion is so bad.

This is the book that soured 3pp for me. I've seen some shit, but this is it.

>>55039213
Wow you must not read much 3pp if this is the shittest you have read

>>55038844
Where is that rule from?

class level npc creation does not exist anymore
All NPC now follow monster creation rules

>>55039960
Unless you want to create a full flush classed NPC.

>>55039960
I was just gonna kinda jury rig the old NPC classes from Pathfinder/3.5. They should fit with little to no tweaking.

>>55039998
Then it is literally PvP that the game does not support
Alien Archive won't have rules for giving NPCs class levels.

>>55038844
The CRB version of Covering and Harrying is a straightforward translation of the Assist action, reducing the AC of a target or increasing the AC of an ally.

This is gun porn.

>>55040028
I'm a big boy. I can handle going off Paizo script if I need a high detail NPC. On the other hand, I don't need to spend an hour on every mook.

>>55040087
Don't complain if you end up killing PCs then

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>>55019807
Low WIS android exocortex mechanic.

>>55038008
And thus begins the long trek toward the first /sfg/ meme game.

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So how do Half-Dragons get treated in the wacky world of Tomorrow?

>>55041035
Bullied relentlessly.

>>55041035
There are no half-dragons in starfinder

>>55033140
Do we have stats for Goblin PCs yet? Or do we have to wait until October for those?

Since Starfinder moves away from concrete weight to a more abstract bulk, what's the bulk of your party members? You can still pick people up and carry them, right?

>>55041131
Alien Archive is not going to have additional PC races

>>55041058
Do they come from Broken Homes and Broken Eggs?

Do they get mocked for the absent parents, that even if they arrived, would never fit through a door?

>>55041200
At the very least we should be able to reverse engineer the spacegoblin from AA, though, should we not?

>>55041227
I doubt it

>>55041064
>>55041035
Yes there are, they're called Dragonkin and are cherished by the people of Triaxus as lovers, copilots and partners.

>>55041227
Space goblins are statted in First Contact, it's a free download.

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>>55041718
based anon
dotn post the sword girl yet tho, im saving it to be the OP for the next thread

>>55041765
Download link?

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>>55041776
Okay.

Man, I just want a party member that has light-up bits like this image dump.

And the best part is, it's totally canon with Androids, too bad they're unused to human emotions like love.

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>>55041829
Last one save for one.

>>55041823
There's a third party feat that gives them emotions.

>>55041843
>There's a third party feat that gives them emotions.

That's the thing, Androids are not emotionless... They just find emotions odd and overwhelming. They're kind of like teenagers in that way.

>>55041780
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9tmr?Starfinder-First-Contact

>>55041908
Thanks, anon. You are a true friend to the lazy.

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>>55041780
>>55041843

>>55041780
It's in the pastebin, you dumbfuck.

>>55042108
Thanks for the heads up, chum.

>>55041776
Please remember to update the pastebin to the one the old /pgg/ threads were using so people will stop asking for the Incident at Absalom Station leak: https://pastebin.com/BBVzM7tm

>tfw the sole white male in Dead Suns, Book 1 is Neutral Evil

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>>55041908
first time reading this book and i gotta say the EACs for monsters is disturbing. they are 3 -4 higher than i expected. i might have to chagne my build to compensate.

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>>55042178
okeedokee, anon

>>55042178
I keep wanting to update the OP but I refuse to post a thread before page 8 and now two or three faggots are in a cycle of thread wars.

>>55042293
It's all just one anon getting his giggles from both sides.

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>>55042211
looks like alot more of the monsters use physical weapons than i thought. i assumed that alot of them would be using energy weapons but i forgot that alot of animals dont have them and pirates are probably mostly using guns not lasers

>>55041200
Yes it is you stupid fuck:
"Over 20 races with full player rules, letting you play everything from a winged dragonkin to a hyperevolved floating brain."

I've seen a lot of issues about the core rulebook's spine and binding falling apart on their own, and I remember hearing such reports about previous paizo books. Is it fair to say that all of the core rulebooks will fall victim to this? Should I just return/refund mine now before it's too late?

I foolishly thought paizo would learn and not do this again.

>>55042443
They did rush the books for Gencon since Starfinder was sold out instantly

>>55042443
Refund if you can. Hardcover quality aside, the book is filled with errors and you'd be better off waiting for a later print.

I just had another thought. On the issue of sexuality, what orientation is someone if their reproductive processes aren't binary? Like, maybe the assumption is that they're interested in both sexes that they aren't currently representing, but even that assumption doesn't make a lot of sense. Not to mention, it does nothing for the folks that don't fit into that neat little box.

That isn't even addressing how the hetero/homosexual dynamic needs to change when people's physical form becomes morphic. I've been saying for years now that if sexuality is based on who/what you're physically attracted to, it doesn't make sense to include references to your own sex/gender in that. I think some variation of andro/gynosexual makes more sense, but I'll admit, I don't really understand most people's sexuality. (Largely demi, so most folks just seem gross. Sorry.)

I wonder if Starfinder will just go the route of Eclipse Phase and declare universally that "people are into some weird stuff, yo. It's complicated."

(Edit: "Andro/Gyno" might be exclusionary toward non-binary folks. That wasn't my intent and if I've caused any offense, I apologize. I just mean that if a person's sex shifts, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to say that all of a sudden, their sexuality has shifted. They likely are attracted to the same folks they always were. I'm just not sure how to divorce the notion of a person's sex from their sexual orientation in a way that doesn't exclude anyone.)

>they actually added "you can't act when dead" in starfinder
THE GREATEST OF ALL RAWS IS DEAD

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>>55042507
i just dont understand why some people are so obsessed about this shit.

>>55042617
Because those are the people Starfinder is being marketed to, you're just the worthless loser they know is going to buy their product because FUCK YOU.

>>55042479
>>55042484
Thanks, I'll do that. It sucks because I prefer books to PDFs for large rulesets, but a PDF is way better than $60 scrap paper that can't be trusted to even be accurate.

>>55042617
We are living the age of sexual revolution
It is very relevant to current pop culture Anon

>>55042617
When are you going to realize Paizo is all about those "some people" and will actively support those "people" whenever they get the chance? You're not wanted, not really. They expect you to eat their shit because you're a fucking white male, and like any fucking white male you're going to bow your head and submit to whatever the fuck they want because you're the baseline, white noise, forgettable "mass" that people call the "core demographic."

Except you don't need to curry favor with the core demographic. Not anymore, at least. So fuck you and buy their game, you shitlord.

>>55042617
I do think there's an additional caveat to the serum of sex shift being as cheap and readily available as it is. With the future being what it is, and the, to quote Terry Pratchett, "black and white being too busy to beat up on green to hate one another," it's possible that issues of gender identity and sexuality have actually evolved in really interesting ways. Like, changing sex in most places might be like changing a haircut. Like, I fully anticipate infuriated blog posts on the infosphere akin to "my stupid sibling shifted and took my top without asking, which is soooo like them, grumble grumble" and all sorts of things. I wonder if, now that such technology is nearly trivial to obtain and use, if that itself is symptomatic of society treating the idea of gender fluidity as a given. The simple possibility of it is amazing for examining the inherent oddity of how restrictive we are with it now, as well as setting up many an interesting NPC and story-arc. Like, there's so much there. I'm super glad they put it in.

Meanwhile, one can still build off of contemporary issues with gender identity in the future, like a character who escaped some sort of archaic commune and spent up all they could scrounge to get that serum, both to get something they've always wanted and struggled for and as a physical manifestation of their newfound freedom. Or you could even examine characters with racially created sex-based castes this way. Like, I've got an idea rolling around of a CEO of a drow weapon manufacture corporation who has misgivings about selling weapons to criminals (a la Iron Man), and so when she leaves, she transitions to male because he no longer sees himself as the person he was before, and as a direct opposition to his formal role, not necessarily because of dimorphism.

so this is what the kalo look like. i am very disappointed. i was hoping they would look like cute mermaids

>>55042752
okay

>>55042617
Some people are obsessed with it because they've decided it's basically the only part of their identity/personality that matters. As such matters of sexuality are paramount because that's the magnifying glass they've chosen to view themselves through.

Others are obsessed with it because of a constant need to demonstrate just how cool and progressive they are. It's the outward face they NEED to show constantly to maintain their "open minded" persona. It's cultural currency for the circles they run in.

Most of us couldn't give less of a shit, for the most part because we're the norm, so we've never really had to think about being defined solely by the complex labels of sexuality or gender, nor are the circles we travel in overly concerned with attitudes toward these niche issues.

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>>55042752
whoops forgot pic
so this is what the kalo look like. i am very disappointed. i was hoping they would look like cute mermaids

>>55042769
>Most of us couldn't give less of a shit

Yeah, and that's why your opinion doesn't matter.

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>>55042783
>98% of people dont matter

>>55042805
... If you don't give a shit, than you're neither supporting nor deriding the message they're trying to give. Ergo, you might as well be a cardboard cut-out for all the help or obstacle you will offer them. Everything Paizo has done and will continue to do is because people like you don't give a shit.

>>55042507
The "neat little box" might still accomodate non-binary species, if that's the standard for them. The Azad from The Player of Games (just read the thing you pleb command does not apply to non plebs who have by definition already read the thing) are trinary, and conservative enough to find your binary junk disgusting.

Of course, The Culture themselves (same book, see above command) are genetically and socially engineered to be non-binary, have no concept of "orientation" being a meaningful concept, and speak a language with no gendered pronouns. They don't care, so they don't need labels. It's only a society like ours right now where some people do care and some people think caring is wrong that gets anti-labels and new labels and impossibly complicated labels like you see online and not really anywhere else.

>>55042805
Not him and I don't give a fuck about gender identity issues, but he's right. If you don't care, then don't care one way or the other. The people for or against the topic should argue over all of it, but for the rest of us, if we don't want to get involved then we should just get the fight happen.

This isn't like being caught in a crossfire, it's a battle happening overseas and I'd rather turn the channel than hear about whatever the fuck the injustice might be.

>>55042805
If 98% of people don't have an opinion, than the 2% who do have an opinion will be the movers and shakers of society.

Why was the Lashunta sexual dimorphism retconned? I imagine it's for two reasons:
1) It expands the pool of racial choices
2) They didn't want to be in the position of telling a player "you MUST be female to play a damaya or male for korasha" as you suggest. It's one thing when they're a NPC race, but quite another when they're a core race.

As for me, given that this is the first I've ever encountered Lashunta in a paizo product (I know they appeared elsewhere, but no DM has ever allowed them) it doesn't bother me one way or the other. Plus, in a setting where you can get a magic sex-change for the cost of a decent battery, worrying what gender something is or isn't is kinda low-key.

Maybe THAT's the secret! The Lashunta government has secretly subsidized the cost of sex-shift serums for all their citizens! :)

>>55043062
>They didn't want to be in the position of telling a player "you MUST be female to play a damaya or male for korasha" as you suggest. It's one thing when they're a NPC race, but quite another when they're a core race.
That never really stopped them from genderlocking PrCs in pathfinder.

>>55043083
You silly man, getting your baby diapers wet because you need to have a toy that's labeled "female-only." Just homebrew it, bro!

>>55043062
It is not really retcon as expanded explanation
Now the real kicker in new Lashunta dimorphism is the new social stratification
It is clear that the korasha are now lower class citizens in lashunta society since they are dumber and better for menial tasks thanks to their strenght.

>>55043083
That only works for female only classes. The other way would just be sexist.

>>55043083
Those are late-production PrCs for a heavily-bloated system that's already on the way out. This is a core race for their sleek, inclusive, progressive new take on science-fiction.

Besides, who cares about something being female-only? You people never complained about that before, why complain now?

>>55043162
>You people never complained about that before, why complain now?
Pure optimization autism is the only reason people are bothering to complain about the genderlocking of the Sanguine Angel. If it weren't the best way to make a STR-based combat character using the absolute best fighting style in the system, only /pol/ would have got their panties in a bunch over it.

>>55009934
>What will your own setting be like?

Don't entirely know, though it'll incorporate the fantasy races as standard and probably not include the Starfinder races. If I'm going to D&D in space, then it's going to be D&D in space.

Also I may or may not convert Starfinder to 5e.

>>55043062
Because they "care" about trans-rights. So they just got rid of something interesting, because interesting is work, and it might make some people uncomfortable.
They opted for a lazy safespace, rather working with what they had.

I don't really know, though. In my opinion, leaving the Lashunta as sexually dimorphic would have made for a far more engaging narrative. Even on the front of their social justice stuff, it would have given characters something to actually work with.
It's like making Erastil and egalitarian. If you do that, you can't flip the bird to the conservative grandpa when he tells you're doing it wrong.

Another one of my gripes is that, by making that change, the old Lashunta are changed from a cool alien culture, to being painted as backwards savages with an ickybad oppressive culture.

I'm not really a fan of this decision.

>>55043224
Exactly, nobody gives a fuck when something is declared female-only, thank god Paizo's smart enough to make sure nothing's male-only.

>>55043237
If you're going to change the setting and change the system, then what exactly do you keep? Wouldn't any converted classes require massive rewrites anyways?

>>55043296
>then what exactly do you keep?
The stars

>>55043245
Things are only going to get worse from here, so either nut up and shut up, or leave.

>>55043405
Make me.

>>55009934
>What will your own setting be like?
Magic isn't a science. Science is a magic.

>>55043419
Don't be surprised when you're going to spend the next few years bitching about Paizo's attempts to fix decades of shitty male-written science-fiction.

>>55043258
People care, it's just that people opposed to female-only are easily shouted down by a chorus of braindead progresstards with placards reading "BIGOT!"

>>55043446
Dude, I don't really care enough about it to do that.
But if I have a passing thought I can throw away on 4chan, I'm going to.
If you want to throw a shut up or get out ultimatum at random anons, more power to you, but that's just as futile as bitching about a SJW company having sipped the kool-aid.

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>>55043296
I've more or less converted completely to 5e at this point; I view other D&D stuff as resources to be used and mined extensively for ideas and inspiration. Besides which, supposedly the idea of Starfinder is to be "D&D in space", and one of the things D&D has going for it is the fact that it has a bunch of different settings, it's not locked into a single one.

Plus with regards to Starfinder's setting there are just some things I don't like - the Gap as a concept, for example. And I think the overall aesthetics lean a little too much towards sci-fi and not enough towards fantasy. While I don't want full-on Spelljamer, I think I'd just prefer to come up with my own setting that feels more fantastical in look and concepts. Luminiferous aether is a must, for starters; I might even just say "fuck it" and outright have air in space, Treasure Planet style.

>>55043461
Which means the people who care are on the wrong side of history, if they are that easy to shoot down.

You know, I'm now curious to see the gender/ethnic line-up of characters in Starfinder so far. Might be worth an afternoon.

>>55043123
Not necessarily. A more intelligent damaya understands that those menial laborers are the ones who keep the infrastructure that supports their society functioning, and also that the hardier and tougher korasha can manage things the more delicate damaya may not be able two. It takes both to maintain their society as a functioning whole. If it didn't, they wouldn't have evolved in this manner. Non-dimorphic races wouldn't understand this reasoning.

>>55043688
There is still master-slave relationship no matter what.

>>55043688
Factory workers and construction crews do the same thing in America, and we tend to turn our noses at those positions.

Paizo will literally never expand on the Korasha/Damaya dynamic because they never had an idea how to explore that in the first place.

>>55033988
if they combined the Alchemist and Summoner, they could use DNA samplers and genetic engineering to create enhanced alien pets, stored in pocket dimensions and infused with magical energies.

essentially the Pokemon Trainer class.

>>55043917
could be further combined with Cavalier skills to work in tandem with the creature as a mount and Witch skills to add modifications to its attacks/spells per day.

>>55043703
>>55043785
That's your own bias speakign. It's difficult for humanss, who are largely hardwired to exceed and control their situations, to consider alternatives. It is entirely possible that the relationship is entirely symbiotic - that the damaya are literally unable to function effectively in any position the korashas take because of how their brains are made, as vice versa. They may have overcome it during their civilization, but the hardwiring might still be in place. A damaya would take serious offense that you suggest the korasha are slaves or anything but a valued and beloved members of a whole.

They might not even understand the concept of slavery when applied to their own race, and the damaya might actually serve the korasha. The korasha may speak for the whole of their society, and the damaya are just mouthpieces that other races see as being superior due to intellect.

Korasha: "This is what we would like" and the Damaya: All right, lets nail this down. Does this and this and this satisfy your desires?"
Korasha: "Why, yes, that would be perfect." Damaya: "Right, we will make it happen for you."

They would then put their keen intellects to the purpose of providing the korasha what they desire, and get it done through planning and diplomacy and trading.

You could have the entire relationship ass backwards because you don't consider the possibility that you're wrong.

>>55043582
>And I think the overall aesthetics lean a little too much towards sci-fi and not enough towards fantasy.

What the fuck, anon? Starfinder is way more fantasy than sci fi, to the point everyone I know hates it because it is NOT sci fi, but space fantasy.

>>55044004
Except Damaya (usually women) are assumed to be the leaders of the race, this is all in their write-up.

Damaya are the big shots and usually the ones mentioned by name as being important. The Korasha are just... There.

>>55044618
>are assumed
And that is the point. What everyone sees and what really goes on is up to the GM. Just because you and everyone else assumes something doesn't mean it is correct, especially where aliens are concerned.

>>55044618
>The Korasha are just... There.
The Korasha are there to give the wispy Damayan ladies a good grapple checking.

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>>55009934
i dont like vesk.
i dont like them at all.
but they are clearly the best soldier race.
by alot.
god damnit.

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>>55045251
there needs to be a str dex race or a dex con race

>>55044618
Korasha are leaders during wartime, and probably hold the highest positions in the militaries.

>>55044140

You know a bunch of cunts.

>>55045251
>Not wanting four arms

>>55045446
With four arms you can give four handies at once!

>>55045455
Absolutely disgusting, how can someone be so perverted in 2017?

>>55044004
>damaya are literally unable to function effectively in any position the korashas take because of how their brains are made
WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! wtf anon?!! Are you somehow implying that my delicate and feminine damaya is not as good or capable as a korasha? how fucking dare you?!!! Damaya can do ANYTHING that a korasha can do u fucking ignorant dimorphist shitstain fucktard!!!1111

>>55033140
Plot devices, same as DnD.

>>55044140
Are these the same kind of people that would hate the 40k universe because of WAAAGH!!! in Space?

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>>55044140
Before I reply to this, I'm going to ask if you understand what "aesthetics" means. Assuming, for the moment, that you do, I'm going to ask what exactly it is about metal energy guns, ceramic armor, vacuum-sealed clothing that resembles a skintight space suit, energy cells, and digital displays come across as "fantasy" to you.

>>55045964

Not that guy, but seriously what do you expect? If tou want fantasy pathfinder has rules for other planets and stuff that you can go swing your swords at. If it didnt have those things how would it even be sci-fi?

How about a dlying rock space station full of dwarves?

What about dragons in space ships?

What about a planet full of necromancers?

Is none of this "fantasy" enough for you? Or did you just not read the settings and you are really just upset that a future based game has replaced metal armor and swords with futuristic armor and weapons?

Again, what do you expect?

>>55042735
We had a character, part of a replicant race possessed by unending curiosity, that was just that- they changed skin tones, genders, species, all sorts of stuff, all the time, just to experience it. And not just in a sexual way, but social and mental as well. Was a fun character.

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>>55009934
>Download SF
>Just more of the same exact game I've been seeing since 2001.... but in space.

I genuinely don't know what I was expecting. Like, I heard some rumors that they were actually going to innovate, so maybe I thought they were going to at-least use the OGLd20 skeleton as a framework to make some original meat like M&M3 or SWSaga, maybe even a game that wasn't published under a 17 year old gaming licence. I don't know why I was so optimistic. I fell for your hype /tg/ but I shouldn't have.

Were you trolling me, or did you genuinely believe that this was innovation?

>>55046623
It seems like a lot of people (here and other places) genuinely believe that this was innovation I don't think this is the case at all but this might be because pizao was too worried about losing its "core" fanbase

>>55046623
Whoever you heard these rumours from was an idiot. It was confirmed months before the release that the game was 3.X in space and built for compatibility with previous editions.

A lot of disappointed people weren't keeping up with demo information coming up because most of the system changes they found during release were covered long ago. The game is for people who want 3.X in space, and for the most part the product delivered just fine. It doesn't solve any problems inherent to the system but the game runs much better than any previous take of 3rd edition.

>>55046623
Paizo was upfront that this was going to be partially PF compatible from the jump. It was obvious to everybody here that this would be more evolution (fixes built around the exact same framework) than revolution (completely new framework).

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>>55009934
i think the diaspora is super spooky.
theres alot of spooky places to visit in space
spooky is fun

>>55046724
>I don't think this is the case at all but this might be because pizao was too worried about losing its "core" fanbase

What the fuck are their "core" fanbase these days? Gay/Trans grognards?

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>>55047329
People who like D&D and 3.5.

>>55047272
>more evolution (fixes built around the exact same framework) than revolution (completely new framework)
Okay, I'm all for giving people what they want, and a lot of people want more 3e: it dominate the market for an entire decade for a reason. However, please don't thrown the word "evolution" around so lightly. That'd be a bit of of hyperbolic overkill. At best it's fine-tuning... granted, from what I can tell it's fine-tuning that's on-point, but lets not get carried away with how "different" this is.

>>55047365
Why the heck should I calm down? Not only are the rules crap, but the setting is being marketed to people that I'm clearly not.

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>>55047329
i think think there is a small but extremely vocal group of virgin sexual degenerates but they are only like 5% of the population.
>loud and obnoxious faggots? who would have ever guesses?!!?! not a stereotype at all!!!!
the rest are people that like the options and freedom on 3.pf. lots of races, lots of classes

>>55047378
And it should be marketed to YOU explicitly.... why?

>>55047378
Don't get me wrong I don't like the rules weapons and how "tests" are handled but I'm only playing this because a close friend likes PF. But its clear we both don't like the game but are only here for a other reason....or it might just be me here trying to find things I like.

>>55047401
Well, I thought my kind were the core demographic. I guess I'm not.

>>55047435
So you thought you were speshul, entitled, and privileged? Go back to the hills of Alabama you cis-gendered redneck white male neckbeard faggot!

>>55047329
People who began playing TTRPG between 2001 and 2008, when either most or all game systems operated on the exact same mechanics. This effect was magnified even more right in the middle of this time-gap, when the game-section at borders was often LITERALLY full of nothing but OGL games. Naturally, this not insignifigant consumer base got quite used to and familiar with the OGL mechanics, and developed a strong taste for them. This demographic, incidentally, still represents the largest money-spending block in the TTRPG market.

>Grognards
No... you do not get to use the word Grognards to describe people who never played pre-WoTC. No.

>>55047456
>No... you do not get to use the word Grognards to describe people who never played pre-WoTC. No.

Uhm, I just did sweetie. People who were around during the days of 3.5e are grognards.

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>>55047454
dude, im not that guy, but you seriously need to shut the fuck up, stop being a faggot and stop ruining the thread

>>55047481
Except it's true, the only people who are really complaining about the game becoming more privileged are worthless Southern hicks that probably fuck their cousins because it's "pure."

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>>55046329
I just wanted a somewhat stronger fantasy aesthetic, is all. At the moment it basically looks like Star Wars; I guess I would have preferred something more like the 90s Dune miniseries.

>>55009934
/tg/ just hate paizo because... well they enjoy hating things.

I'm gonna use the default setting, as I enjoy the original pathfinder world very much and this just feels familiar.

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>>55047477
>3.5 kids are still the largest and most powerful consumer-block in the market
>Most recent edition of D&D was entirely an attempt to market to that exact block, and as such the desires of 3.5 kids controlled the play-test and release.
>The entire market of games outside of what panders to 3.5 kids is relegated to "the indies"
sorry, I'm just going to have to be a Grognard about what counts as Grognard.

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>>55047511
im not southern, im not a hick, and i dont like their bullshit. just shut up with your race baiting faggotry. its not funny, its not cool, its not good, its not cute.

just stop being a faggot and talk about the actual game

>>55047587
>just stop being a faggot and talk about the actual game

Okay, you want me to talk about the actual game?

How are you people going to use the Serum of Gender Change? You can totally make Genderfluid characters now!

>>55009934
>Are you going to use the core setting

You know, as someone who's never going to run anything OGL ever again, this book was actually a pretty cool setting book. I've been running space-opera in 4th ed mechanics for years, and this setting would work great for that

>>55047542
Speaking as someone who loves most of Starfinder and is very excited to play it for a long time, fuck Pathfinder, fuck Golarion.

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>>55047645
setting is the best part of it, imo lots of cool planets and places to go. im looking forward to fighting undead space zombies in their skeleton ships

>>55047587
>>55047608

Hey, dude. Why aren't you answering me? Androids don't even conform to gender constructs or the binary, imagine how fascinating it might be to make an asexual character (just like the Iconic Operative) who seamlessly shifts between the sexes like a Changeling using Serums of Gender Change or Appearance Change.

Or perhaps there might be communities in the Vast that encourage their children to use the Serums from an early age, just so they can appreciate gender in all it's forms! Truly, they would be blessed by Weydan and Arshea, two deities who explicitly condone such behavior.

Hey, I'm talking about the setting. Canon stuff, too!

I'm currently going through the CRB and Dead Suns to see how many white people there are, and compare it to how often they're portrayed as evil.

Should I include androids or Lashunta with caucasian features?

>>55047803
Lashunta are a matriarchal society, ergo cannot be evil.

>>55047803
Alright, these results are assuming we want to count Androids or Lashunta clearly modeled after white people, while those with distinct negroid or asiatic features were counted as "colored." I did not include the Iconics.

White Men (includes Androids, Background Enemies, and Lashunta)
>22

Colored Men
>7

White Women (includes Androids and Lashunta)
>14

Colored Women
>11

The only trend I had noticed throughout the CRB and Dead Suns was that 100% of the enemies featured in the artwork were white men. All of them.

>>55047906
>drow

>>55047997
Drow are no longer explicitly matriarchal, they excluded any mention of that in their mention.

>>55048014
they still hold slaves, that much is the same. they are still evil too

>>55047803
>I'm currently going through the CRB and Dead Suns to see how many white people there are, and compare it to how often they're portrayed as evil.

Why?

>>55047707
Oh anon, I know you're really just looking to get people mad, but you're missing the real possibilities! You're making the mistake of treating people like people! Just imagine; you could have a culture in which everyone is required to spend their most fertile years as women to maximize the population growth. You can't let them do anything risky, of course, because you need as many children as possible to keep your population up, so you've got to make sure they're kept away from anything dangerous or violent. Once they're getting less fertile, though? Have everyone turn into men for that extra muscle mass and then go fertilize all the women in the younger generation. And once they're getting just a little too old for that, you pack all your men off and send them off world to expand your glorious, ever expanding empire. You've got the population growth to handle it, and you should have the automation too!

The most powerful are exempt, of course. Mandatory breeding is for the masses, not the elite. They can still do whatever they want. In fact, maybe they're the ones doing most of the fathering - that lets you ship all the infertile former-wombs off world even sooner, because you've got the elite masters taking care of fertilization for you.

Wouldn't that be an interesting way of using those serums.

>>55048095
Laying to rest the oft-expressed view that the game doesn't have white people, and the only white people are evil.

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>>55048109

>>55048113
So by your numbers you agree that the game has too many white people.

>>55048183
About 9 of the white men are explicitly mooks you gun down.

Replacing all the white mooks in the Absalom Station gangs w/ a variety of multi-skinned humans

because gangs in the setting should be all-inclusive, I'll even add a handicapped gang member and a senior citizen gang member.

>>55048383
So you want to kill colored people and the handicapped to further your own worldview of the white patriarchy.... thnx for telling us that.

>>55047608
>How are you people going to use the Serum of Gender Change?

>Male character wants to earn some quick cash on the side, starts shifting into a lady to whore 'him'self out
>One day his customer is a no-show, and he needed that payout to buy a new elixir
>Has to show up to the dayjob with a bimbo body

>>55048478
This is why you should keep 3 more than you need.

>>55048478
Wouldn't you also want to use a Serum of Appearance Change too to make sure no one recognizes you at all and so you can have exaggerated 'assets'?

>>55041131
The basics for them are in First Contact, the FRPGDay folio.

>>55048543
>and so you can have exaggerated 'assets'?

That's the thing, the Serum of Gender Change simply turns you into a female (or male) version of yourself.

What if it turns out the r63 you has a huge pair of tits?

>>55047608
I'm waiting for the first green text about tactical gender change.

>>55009934
Has anyone tried porting classes from PF? My buddy wants to play my fav 3rd party class but I don't know how intense the homebrewing will be.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/forest-guardian-press/direlock/

>>55048625
Fair enough.

>>55047608
Now I can finally make a pansexual whore that appeals to all clientele!

>>55033988
Alchemist

>>55033988
Gunslinger.

>>55048640
Ew. Hose off that Special Flower perfume and try playing the game normally.

>>55047707
>Weydan and Arshea, two deities who explicitly condone such behavior.
This true?

I mean it's one foot in crazy to let kids swap genders if they're curious, it's jumping straight in to make it mandatory, and it's drowning yourself to have good aligned deities condone taking away their free will and choice like that. But since the guy I'm replying to seems to be baiting, I don't know how much of what he says is true or exaggeration.

>>55045455
Eight if you go middle-out

>>55048842
Not sure about Arshea but Weydan's stance would be "If the kid wants to try it then yeah sure let them have at it but if not that fine too, their choice after all." He would despise it if it were forced.

>>55042865
Caring is a biological thing for humans, senpai. It's not a society thing, it's just the product of reproduction instincts.

>>55047375
Evolution is literally small imperceptible changes over vast periods of time.

>>55042773
I've stopped expecting cute races from modern fantasy. They seem to trend towards ugly.

>>55048816
In running two games and one of my twelve players wants to do something weird. I don't really feel like that's gonna be a problem, sorry

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>>55048951
That sounds fine then. I mean, I don't really agree that kids are mature enough to do that, but it's not something that puts me off the setting like the god encouraging or supporting people forcing it on kids.

>>55048972
That depends on the lifespan of the thing evolving. Some fast breeding species are evolving much faster than we do.

>>55047608
>How are you people going to use the Serum of Gender Change?
I won't

It'll exist but my players won't use it because they don't give a shit and the NPCs won't use it because I don't give a shit either

>>55049104
Well yeah, my point is that freaking out over calling starfinder an "evolution" because it's an overstatement is, itself, an overstatement.

>>55049185
Also anon didn't say it was actually an evolution, just closer to the evolution than revolution (which is true of fine-tuning vs. wring a new game).

>>55049104
>Some fast breeding species are evolving much faster than we do.

Aren't some species so malleable that incest doesn't actually hurt it? I think rabbits are that way, a brother and sister rabbit can produce healthy kittens no problem.

>>55049229
It's not that they're malleable, it's about how many genetic diseases are endemic in their population. Humans went through a massive bottleneck in our history so we're nasty with them, which is why incest is even a relevant concern for us. But even for humans, one generation of incest is pretty harmless. It's only after repeated generations of incest that things become a problem for most.

>>55049229
if a brother and sister rabbit are producing kittens something is very fucking wrong

>>55049296
Baby rabbits are known as kittens. Male rabbits are bucks, and female rabbits are does.

>>55049330
huh

well anyways starfinder is neat

>>55049330
Who the fuck came up with this.

>>55049370
What's wrong with it?

>>55049370
Scientists, why do you ask?

>>55049330
proof that jackalopes are real

>>55049407
We've had that for decades, anon.

>>55049389
By "scientists" he means rural peasants who had been breeding rabbits for centuries, called them that, and the names have stuck ever since.

>>55049388
>>55049389
Scientists are stupid. They should be called baby rabbits, boy rabbits, and girl rabbits.

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>>55049330
>TFW you thought this was all a put on
>TFW you look it up and it turns out it's right

Are Lashuntas Starfinder's Kender?

>>55049561
That would be Ysoki, anon.
>Lol guess how much shit I have in my cheeks, guys!

>>55049561
Not even close.

>>55049600
How long until somebody sews a bag of holding into their Ysoki's cheek pouches?

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>>55049559
>>55049370
>I've lived with this knowledge all my life
>mfw people are surprised by this

>>55049370
It makes a lot of sense, after all rabbits are basically what happens when you cross deer with cats.

>>55049663
Please, rabbits were made by Lord Frith and perfected after his blessing to the Prince of Rabbits, El-ahrairah

New thread:

>>55030373
>>55030373
>>55030373
>>55030373
>>55030373

>>55048113
But didn't your research actually prove that all white men are evil in their books?

>>55049600
>>55049605
I meant in the sense of "They're perfect and literally everyone likes them."

>>55049723
Fuck off with this shit, troll.

>>55049743
Not at all, the Kender were "loved" because everyone thought their kleptomania was adorable for some reason. Lashunta are loved because everyone thinks they're hot.

>>55049762
That one was made at page 8 of the last thread anon, this one we're in now was the troll thread.

>>55049743
The only reason to love kender was because we were told too. Lashunta are annoying from a meta standpoint, but it makes sense in universe why people would like them.

>>55049784
no anon, youre the troll
you keep making anime nigger OPs and keep using the shit pastebin

>>55049784
>Spends all day bumping a shit anime thread when it falls to page 8 or 9
>Thinks everybody else is the troll
You really are retarded, aren't you?

>>55049769
>>55049798
Well don't you think forcing everyone to defacto think they're hot isn't all that different? Especially when it's the expy for transexuality now, what with half their girls actually being boys and vice versa.

>>55049827
Not just that one, he's been doing it with the fake /pfg/ too. It's pathetic.

>>55049843
Exactly why these anime threads ought to be left to rot.

>>55049801
>literally the same pastebin in both threads
Okay.

>>55049829
>Well don't you think forcing everyone to defacto think they're hot isn't all that different?

Well, I mean... Have you seen their art? They're universally gorgeous.

>>55049868
I don't think a boy on hormones is gorgeous, senpai.

>>55049866
>/pgg/ had a better /sfg/ pastebin than /sfg/ does
:thinking:

>>55049866
DUMB NIGGER FUCKING FAGGOT. WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE PASTEBIN, BUT YOU FUCKING NIGGERS KEEP MAKING NEW THREADS WITH OUT CHANGING IT BECAUSE YOU ARE IN A RUSH TO PUT OFF TOPIC ANIME IN THE OP.

FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING DEGENERATE TRANSEXUAL FAGGOT

>>55049878
They're an allegory for transsexualism, but they're not actually transsexual. A boy Lashunta can become a tall, slender hottie or a short, burly hunk. That's the extent of their "hormone therapy."

>>55049898
>A boy Lashunta can become a tall, slender hottie
With a penis.

>>55049829
Everyone has different tastes but it's probably just a fact that lashunta universally have traditionally attractive proportions, good symmetry, and a healthy appearance. Like, I might not find a girl personally attractive but I can look at someone with nice hair and skin and know that she's pretty.

Kender are totally different because the facts we have on them contradicts the idea that they should be loved. You don't have to find lashunta attractive yourself, but they meet what the setting considers a standard of beauty and there's no reason for us to think otherwise.

>>55049907
A feminine penis!

>>55049827
Anon this thread right here was bumped from page 10 for over 24 hours.

>>55049918
Still a penis. Thus a boy, thus not something I'd find attractive. Which is my problem with the fiated 'everyone thinks they're hot!' thing.

New Thread:

>>55049964
>>55049964
>>55049964
>>55049964
>>55049964
>>55049964

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>>55049932
>Everybody else's bad behavior justifies my own
>Despite the fact that everybody else's bad behavior is a direct response to my own

>>55049967
Fuck off shitbot, real new thread:
>>55049984
>>55049984
>>55049984

>>55049995
i will post in this one because its not anime

>>55049974
Between the four /sfg/ threads we now have up because all of you are retarded, this is the most retarded post.

Wow. Are we going to have five threads tomorrow? Maybe we can aim for six the day after, since it's impossible to tolerate an OP you don't like.

This is just idiotic.

>>55049967
Fuck this guy

>>55049995
Fuck this guy

>>55030373
This is the thread, shitdicks

>>55050510
Nope

>>55049967
One down, one to go.

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>>55049868
>bald dumpy manlet
>flat chested beanpole woman(?)
>gorgeous

Pick none. The iconic technomancer is alright in some pics I'll give her that at least.

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>>55050730
Reminder this is what they're supposed to look like and the new description is last minute "we need them to look less human/elven" ass pullery.

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>>55050800
>>55050820
>the new description is last minute "we need them to look less human/elven" ass pullery.
Yeah but that's the new canon too. That's probably what they'll do going forward at that.

Honestly they need to cut the 'everyone finds them pretty' line when they're making them look inhuman

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I was going to share PDFs in the new thread but you all disgust me with this thread bullshit so much that I'm keeping them to myself.

>>55049884
I like you.

>>55051007
>The Starfarer Companion is written by Alex Augunas
And nothing of value was lost.