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Smug Romulan Edition

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A thread for discussing the Star Trek franchise and its various tabletop iterations.

Possible topics include Star Trek Adventures - the new rpg being produced by Modiphius - and WizKids’ Star Trek: Attack Wing miniatures game, as well as the previous rpgs produced by FASA, Last Unicorn Games and Decipher, the Starfleet Battles Universe, and Star Trek in general.


Game Resources

Star Trek Adventures, Modiphius’ 2d20 RPG
-Official Modiphius Page
>http://www.modiphius.com/star-trek.html
Playtest Materials (via Biff Tannen)
>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/36m6c22co6y5m/Modiphius%20Star%20Trek%20Adventures
Reverse Engineered Character Creation.
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2ofDX0-7tgHojjk7sKcp7uVFSK3M52eVP45gKNJhgY/edit?usp=sharing
Core Rulebook
>IN NEED OF NEW LINKS

Older Licensed RPGs (FASA, Last Unicorn Games and Decipher)
>http://pastebin.com/ndCz650p

Other (Unlicensed) RPGS (Far Trek + Lasers and Feelings)
>http://pastebin.com/uzW5tPwS

WizKids’ Star Trek: Attack Wing Miniatures Game
-Official WizKids Page (Rules and Player Resources)
>http://wizkids.com/attackwing/star-trek-attack-wing/

GF9games Star Trek: Ascendancy Board Game
-Official Page
>http://startrek.gf9games.com/

Lore Resources

Memory Alpha - Canon wiki
>http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Portal:Main

Memory Beta - Noncanon wiki for licensed Star Trek works
>http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Fan Sites - Analysis of episodes, information on ships, technobabble and more
>http://pastebin.com/mxLWAPXF

Star Trek Maps - Based on the Star Trek Star Charts, updated and corrected
>http://www.startrekmap.com/index.html

/stg/ Homebrew Content
>http://pastebin.com/H1FL1UyP
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This thread is a FAAAAAK- *explodes*
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>>54972708
Different smug Romulan, anon. This is the dude that thinks every Romulan zoo needs a breeding pair of Klingons.
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>>54972971
Romulans have Zoo ? In the age of holodecks
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>>54973078
What would you program holodeck zoos based on if not real animals in zoos?
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>>54973078
For a species with even very latent telepathic abilities like Romulans, holodecks probably feel "off" because it's missing something.

Hell, I imagine Betazoids hate holodecks. Until they get a way to mimic the telepathic feel, holodecks will feel like a silent movie to them.
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>>54963942
>Is there a site with all of these parts to make your own ship or do you just have them?
I really wish there was, it would make this much easier. I've always wanted a program that would let you just swap parts from any star trek ship, move them around and resize/scale them as you like.
STO's ship customization only scratches the surface of that.

I'm just using Autocad and making my own by drawing over images and scaling them to the appropriate size. (When sources can agree upon scale.) Then I just export to paint.
I've always been fail at 3d modelling or I'd do that.

>If you just have them any chance you could compile them and post them here?
It has been requested before. I'll certainly do so. I'd like to get a more complete selection of ship parts made up before doing that.
Nacelles and saucers from the main official ships at their appropriate scales would be a good starting point.
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>>54973537
http://jaynz.trekships.org/view_gallery.php?cmd=gallery_Toolkits.idx

I remembered running across this site some time back, might help at least cut down on workload.
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>>54973446
>tfw very few decent pics of sexy Klingon women
The Trek thread on /aco/ has the majority of good Klingon smut. Be warned: one futafag spammed that thread HARD
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>>54974580
>Riker Troi and Lwaxxanna

Holy shit, the expressions on that are fucking perfect.
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>>54975122
>Trek thread on /aco/
It's a well known fact - one that's VERY evident there - that there is no good Trek porn. Seriously, it isn't a futafag spamming, it's just because that's what the overwhelming majority of the shit is, and even the "normal" stuff is fucking disgusting.
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>>54975668
Star Trek just never (or at least, very rarely) did sexy well anyway, no wonder there's no good porn.
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>>54975804
because garak/bashir was altogether too wholesome for porns.
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>>54975804
Which is a shame, since every other show had bombshells that could have been sexy, but weren't portrayed as such.
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>>54975668
The only good Trek porn is M'ress because furfags saturate everything so there's some good porn simply by quantity.
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>>54975804
>>54975854
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>>54975994

This again. Awesome.
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>>54975994
I really like Bajorans as monkeys, that fits so much better.
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>>54975866
When they tried it mostly just didn't work, coupled with the continually awful civilian-wear they had going on, like when they put Jadzia in that terrible bathing suit when they went to Risa and complicated it further by having her act like an asshole. Or just how Troi was always hotter in a uniform than in anything else she wore, including when she wore nothing.

Doesn't help that none of the dudes are ones I'd want to see in porn either, even where they are good-looking, the characters just don't fit. Like who wants to see Geordie go at it with anyone? He's just too nice. I'd want to see that character at most go on a date and have interesting conversations about space-magic-tech, not whip his dick out and go to pound-town.

I am fully aware this may all just be me. But even so,
I'm not exactly lacking for an open mind when it comes to porn.
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>>54975994
What the fuck am I looking at and how much brain bleach do I need to remove it?
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>>54976064
"What if Star Trek was REAL ALIENS?" except the aliens just look like Earth animals for the most part. Kes a cute though.
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>>54976064
The idea here is that the Bajorans are more ape-like and the Cardassians are more like lizards. It's pretty retarded but there's fanfics for ya.
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>>54975883
>tfw want to jerk to to M'ress porn, but can only picture Lwaxana Troi's wrinky old face
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>>54976113
>>54976123

Oh look at the time; it's brain damage o'clock.
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>>54976276
We haven't even started yet.
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>>54976352
Neither have I.

You'll never take me alive.
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So do we ever seen any other environmental suits other than the starfleet ones?

Also, do the Gorn have them?
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>>54976539
I hate that STO didn't stop to think that the reason the Environmental Suits in First Contact had those red patches was because all the wearers were in the Command track. I just want divisional suit dammit.
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>>54976539
In canon? No, the suits were stupidly expensive so we barely ever saw them and certainly not for anyone but the main peoples.

Reasonably though it'd be insane if everyone who might need one didn't have them.
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>>54976539

What do you do in case of a puncture for those?

And do fighter pilots get them?
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>>54976188
then picture nurse chapel instead
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>>54976886
>What do you do in case of a puncture for those?
Wrap a piece of dead Borg around the puncture.

>And do fighter pilots get them?
Unconfirmed.
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Is it ever stated how the Cardiassian Military was rebuilt post Dominion War or if they ever made good on any of the technological advances they may have gleaned from the Dominion?

Are they still going to be an expansionist power going forward? I can't really see any other way for their nation to grow as powerful as their neighbors without conquest given their nation is said to be resource poor.
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>>54977459
In STO it looks like they are very slowly getting absorbed into the UFP.

UFP is helping to rebuild them, including them in discussions that they are too small and insignificant to deserve inclusion in and the Cardasians seem grateful for this and are pushing for closer ties.

If the trend continues they will inevitably file for inclusion for the sake of convenience. Also it seems that the next big expansion is going to be 29th century UFP (because why the fuck would anyone want anything other than another UFP expansion amirite guiz) and a playable race in that start is cardassian. No doubt a suitably hideous 29c Utility Cruiser is churning in someones bowels as we speak, ready to be shat out on demand.
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>>54977561

>discussions that they are too small and insignificant

I thought they were one of the five races that are said to have been influenced before their creation by a vast state that ruled that area of space some millions of years ago?

Plus doesn't any path that isn't allowing them to join leaving the Union with no choice but resumed expansion?
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>>54977561
>it seems that the next big expansion is going to be 29th century UFP
Where the fuck did that come from? The teaser we got showed a Dominion fleet coming through the wormhole; how does that tie into the 29th century Feds?
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>>54977561
>a playable race in that start is cardassian

Oh God, I'd be such a whale for STO if this ever came about.
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>>54977619
By 25c they are broken, have made no friends who are still both their friends and not also broken and any gains they made from the UFPs good will has been lost. No matter what they were they are, in the time of Admiral (you), a shitty backwater full of bombed out buildings and the occasional band of fanatics blaming everyone else for their fuck ups and the direct consequences. They have hope now only because the UFP permits them to by their charity, charity they are profoundly ungrateful for. Or at least that's the impression I got every time I met the Cardassians in STO.

>Plus doesn't any path that isn't allowing them to join leaving the Union with no choice but resumed expansion?

Not really. That would require investment they literally can't afford. Their only real options for long term are fade into a neighboring nation or slowly die.
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>>54977667
Dominion exists in 29c, we see them at the signing of the Temporal Accords.

Also much like the 23c start you get Temporal Warred into 25c.

Also I'm going to assume that there is a Dominion faction in the Temporal Cold War just because it's the laziest way to go. Maybe they can rope Walter Koenig to do some more 0 enthusiasm voice work and get someone to fuck up a Scottish accent an try and convince us it sounds like James Doohan fucking up a Scottish accent.
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>>54977459
Some of the books have Cardassia becoming increasingly polarised between restorationists who want to bring back good ol' Cardassia and a democratic movement that generally want peace with the Feds and potentially inclusion within the UFP
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>>54977822

The laziest would be Dominion War 2, which looks like it's exactly what we'll get.

Also:

>Cardassians never ever
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>>54978121
You forgot that the only thing holding together the democratic movement is Garak and his "I will fuck you up if you even look like you're going to ruin Cardassia again" mentality. The amount of unconfirmed political assassinations/discrediting he's racked up in Beta canon would put me right off of Cardie politics forever I was a restorationist. Also, Gul Macet (Marc Alaimo's first role) is head of the Cardassian Military, and uses his resemblance to his more famous cousin to unnerve the hell out of people.
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>>54978541

Restoration is really one of the better routes isn't it?

Joining the Federation sounds as if it means they lose their national identity to a degree.
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>>54978541
>uses his resemblance to his more famous cousin to unnerve the hell out of people.
do they actually leverage his appearance like that in the books? that's a nice touch
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>>54975804
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>>54979218
Maybe they just realize that something in their nature needs to be repressed like the vulcans. Maybe they don't think losing their identity for a bit is such a bad thing considering the war and then genocide they've just endured.
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>>54979449
Yeah they do. When Kira interacts with him there's always a part of her inner monologue commenting about it.
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>>54979527
Mostly it's the fact that the ones who want to be expansionist think that now that the major Alpha Quadrant powers got beaten up a lot by the Borg that they have a shot at dominance again.
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>hey
>we found a super-ship that can rek borg cubes in minutes
>it's attached to this ship we're investigating
>it seems to be a vessel
>permission to enter captain
After all, when has trespassing ever pissed anyone off?
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>>54979771
Did this tank the ratings? This shoulda tanked the ratings.
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>>54980129
And her argument is literally "muh Kim."
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>>54980129
>>54980227

Kathryn "Only I am allowed to make Harry miserable!" Janeway.
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>>54980129
Saved the show from cancellation.
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>>54980726
Shit, really?
Maybe ENT needed Archer to make a morally fucked decision for no real reason and it'd have made season 5.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbut8Sp7jY4

Watch this clip, press the 9 key.

HOURS OF FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY!
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>>54972477
How could there be war crimes, when there wasn't any war?
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>>54981014
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Suder was the best betazoid character in Trek History.
He was also played by the best actor to ever be on Voyager, including the main cast
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>>54973446
worfs wife was fuckin hot
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>>54981463
Jadzia was fucking hot, you're right.
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>>54981463
Jadzia was not only worst Dax but also worst DS9 girl in general.
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>>54975804
TOS has plenty of sexy.
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>>54981481
Seriously, she's even behind Leeta in characterization.
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>>54981481
How can one man be so wrong?
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>>54981513
Literally the only good thing about Jadzia is how hot her actress is. The actual character is garbage.
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>>54981481
agree 100%

this is now an unpopular opinion thread

TOS aged like milk
Picard is over rated
The Robin Hood Episode of tng was better than all the holodeck episodes combined

>>54981446
I agree, best actor on voyager other than picardo. And they got an episode together where they saved the ship
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>>54981875
How can one man be so wrong, again?

>TOS aged like milk
No, the 60s aged like milk. The good lessons that TOS tried to teach us are just as good now as they were then. The 60s veneer is what you have issue with.

>Picard is over rated
No, he really isn't. He is one of the best captains, maybe the best (that's debatable, obviously). It mostly is because the competition isn't amazing.

>The Robin Hood Episode of tng was better than all the holodeck episodes combined
Ok, I can't disagree with you here.
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>>54981875
Agree 200%
Fucking Suder and Doctor in Basics was probably VOY best episodes.

2nd place is Flashbacks because Excelsior.

3rd would probably be Equinox.
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>>54981989
>>54981875
The lessons they were teaching in the 60s were kind of dead by the time anyone here was born.

Holodeck episodes would include the Enterprise finale so you're wrong. I can't remember any good holosuite eps though to cram that in too.
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>>54982012
Equinox was the Homer's Enemy of VOY.

>>54982036
>ent finale
>good
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>>54982036
>I can't remember any good holosuite eps though to cram that in too.
Our Man Bashir was pretty good, so was the one where Nog turns hikikomori.
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>>54982036
>The lessons they were teaching in the 60s were kind of dead by the time anyone here was born.
They really weren't, some lessons are universal.
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>>54982047
>Combs
>Frakes
>not an amazing episode
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>>54982069
>>Frakes
>>an amazing episode
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>>54982078
He didn't direct it.
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>>54982047
I loved it. It gave us that "What If?" we were all wondering.
What if Janeway said "fuck it. we're going home by any means.
"Prime directive? You mean Prime Suggestions."
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>>54982095
But all it really did was draw attention to the fact that the show bends over backwards for Janeway to be correct.
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>>54981989
>60s aged like milk
No, bad writing, acting and awful storytelling are bad no matter when it was made

>>54982067
>but muh message
I watch TV to be entertained, any messages should not get in the way of telling a good story which early TNG and TOS does way too much.
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>>54981875
>Picard is over rated
yep he's a complete mary sue and his character isnt very well fleshed out. It's just good acting that saved it

>>54981989
>No, he really isn't. He is one of the best captains, maybe the best
It has nothing to do with being a captain. His character is just bad, like most of the TNG crew
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How is this?
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>>54983488
from what I saw it looked really simple and not very trek themed other than the names of the cards

although I did only see it in Wil Wheaton's fucking awful traditional game show
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>>54982095
>>54982107
A better show would have had the Equinox escape and become the major antagonist for the next season
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>>54984814
>you haven't seen the last of me, janeway!
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>>54984839
>>54984814
>constantly trying to stay ahead of the big and (relatively) slow but more efficient Voyager, gaining a lead then blowing it because of overstressed systems or a lack of resources on a smaller ship
>Poaching Maquis crew from Janeway who gave up on sapient rights after dealing with the spoonheads, maybe an arc where Chakotay is a double agent for Janeway but questions whether Equinox's approach is better
>being forced to team up with Voyager due to (enemy of the day), contrast between crews grows over time
>ultimately fail not because of methodology but random chance, integrate with Voyager crew with ongoing disagreements over underlying philosophy/values
I don't know whether VOY or ENT had more squandered potential...
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>>54973078
What do you think that prison camp for the survivors of Khitomer was?
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>>54983818
It's not an RPG, but it isn't trying to be. It has a few parts that do make it kind of feel like Star Trek, especially the constant temptation to go tell the Prime Directive to fuck itself.
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>>54982067
The intention behind most of TOS still holds up, but the expression of that intention is ham-handed and dated.

Perfect example: remember how the final episode of TOS hinges on the fact that women still aren't allowed to be starship captains in the Federation? Everyone tries to forget that ever happened.
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>>54982047
>actual realistic person(s) contrasted against "it resets every episode because m-muh syndication"
>makes the guy you should be rooting for the antagonist
>ends in a reset button of its own just to frustrate everyone
I fucking hate how true this is
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W talk a lot about the ship but I want to know what everyone's opinion is on the uniforms. What's your canon favorite and what is your favorite fan created version.

Personally I like the DS9 uniforms from later on in the series. If they could get around to putting pockets on them they would be perfect.
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>>54976835
Sorry for off topic but that show was fucking great.
Probably has something to do with Hayao Miyazaki working on some of its episodes.
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>>54981446
>Suder
>not our dear lady, daughter of the fifth house, holder of the sacred chalice of rixx and heir to the holy rings of betazed
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>>54986191
The definitive list:


Goddest of God Tiers
>WoK (as a dress uniform, at least)

God Tier
>STO's Odyssey
>VOY/Early DS9

Demigod "Not Very Trek-y But Still A Good Uniform" Tier
>ENT
>STO's Sierra
>JJTrek nonstandard (Dress, Survival, Flag Officer, Starbase, etc)

Okay Tier
>Late TNG (Shirt & Trousers)
>All Good Things...
>TOS
>JJTrek standard

Meh Tier
>TNG Movie/Late DS9
>29c (Relativity)

oh shit nigger what are you doing Tier
>Early TNG (Spandex)
>Timecop
>TMP
>STD
>any and all prime universe cadet uniforms
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>>54986191
I like voyager's the most tbqh
Black looks nice as the primary color
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>>54981481
>worst DS9 girl
>Jadzia
>not Keiko "MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILES!!!!!" O'Brien
Jadzia was cool before she got all honorary klingon with worf
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>>54986782
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>>54986824
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>>54986582
>JJTrek
>anything other than the lowest possible tier
Your opinion is no longer relevant.
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>>54986782
>Jadzia was cool
I strongly disagree, holy shit she was a bitch.
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>>54986191
Funnily enough I was searching around online earlier about ST uniforms and found someone who had made a number of concept sketches. All of them were good but I thought that if I took the part I liked the most with them and put them together it would make a better uniform. Here are the concepts he made...
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>>54986782
>>54986824
>>54986834
Now now, Keiko was an awful character with purpose. A miserable Obrien is a good Obrien.
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>>54987523
And here is the bad edit I made.

I've never liked the pip system since it would require you to be fairly close and in front of the subject to see their rank, thus the stripes on the sleeves. The one in the top left looked overall the best but I thought it would be nice to see it without the odd strap over the shoulder and removed it and to still let the jacket open up in the front.
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>>54983488
fun
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>>54987523
>bottom right
That's a lot like the Orville one.

>>54987668
My problem with that is with the colour segment, the peak going up to the neck and finishing below the waist emphasises the boobs and abdomen. Kinda makes them look pregnant.
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>>54988834
>That's a lot like the Orville one
I thought the same thing oddly...
>Kinda makes them look pregnant.
I don't really see it myself but if you do I can't stop you.
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I asked this a few threads ago, but what do you guys consider the best and worst of Vulcan wank? Pic related, it's the absolute worst for me.
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>>54989923
I recall reading halfway through some fanfic about a Vulcan captain that was secretly responsible for every major victory for Starfleet. I got as far as him psychically telling Spock how to detect Chang's BoP before I just gave up. It's called "Logic above all" or something like that.
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Quick aside for those who use this as /stog/ - I'm looking to use as much free story equipment as I can, and I'm choosing between the Jem'hadar and Solanae sets. EPG on the latter looks better, but I get a polaron buff from the former, so I'm unsure what to go for.
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>>54990700
Solonae deflector, Jem'Hadar shields and engines. The polaron boost comes from the 2-set, and if you're sticking to EPG then the 3-set shield drain will probably be irrelevant.
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>>54990700
If you plan on using Polaron weapons, then go for the jem hadar set.
If you want something tanky, then settle for the Solanae set for now until you can get your hands on Kobali set.
There are after that two more sets, the Sol defense set from end of the Iconian story line is also pretty solid when it comes to tanking.
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Desperate_Defenses

Then there is this thing which is more built for science ships.
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Braydon_Reconnaissance_Technologies_Set
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>>54981875

>TOS

No. TOS has some of the very best of Trek in it, far and above even the great stuff that came later. Nothing compares to the comradery between Spock, McCoy, and Kirk.

>Picard is over rated

Definitely. His characterization is all over the place, and it's a testament to Patrick Stewart's acting capabilities to make him likable at all in some episodes.

>Robin Hood holodeck episode

It's okay. I can't think of a single holodeck episode I like, outside of DS9 ones.

>>54985697

TOS, as I'm fond of saying, has some of the very best and the very worst of Trek. That one counts as the worst.

If it was pro-women in command, it managed to undermine that spectacularly.

>>54986191

WoK hands down.
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>>54990875
>>54990902
I'm primarily a drainer - so my endgame'll be the Quantum Phase set - but the Jem'Hadar 3-set seems to be pissing in the wind against anything bigger than a shuttle. I'm working my way through the story in a vaguely RP-ish manner so I'll probably swap in the deflector so I can keep the 2-set buffs and get a bigger drainX from the solanae.
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>>54991057
If you're a drainer then you don't want EPG, you want drain expertise. Don't bother focusing on EPG unless you're focusing on exotic damage.

That being said, my answer is still the same: Solonae deflector with Jem'Hurrdurr shield and engines. Solonae deflector has more drain expertise than Jem, and the polaron and drain boost comes from the 2-set.
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>>54991140
I just figured the EPG would be a welcome source of a little dps on the side, considering that drain doesn't have many direct damage uses (apart from torp fuckery).
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>>54975994
Man Cardassians are fine, they don't need to look like fucking Gorn.
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>>54992294
What do they eat for breakfast in Starfleet?
gorn flakes
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>>54982012
Agreed, though Demon shares 3rd on my list.
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Any good stories from Trek games?
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>>54986554
i couldn't be fucked that she's roddenberries wife. not a bad actress but the character is soooo annoying. She does the computers voice well though
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>>54987527
that trope is retarded. Obrien flourished when he wasnt a war vet or being shit on by his bossy wife. Id much prefer the advice giving, holosuite enjoying, pint drinking Obrien any day of the week
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>>54997040
he was never not miserable on ds9, his hatred of cardies followed through to their station systems and thus was always at war with them.
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>>54991047
>It's okay. I can't think of a single holodeck episode I like, outside of DS9 ones.
The two Sherlock Holmes holodeck episodes are good.

Honestly the better holodeck episodes are the ones that use the Holodeck as a tool rather than as an excuse to trap the heroes in some other story - like A Matter of Perspective, where it's used as an investigation tool, that was a good idea(fell apart in execution)
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>>54997860
sir dont ignore my downvote pls
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>>54997860
Or the Broccoli episode, where it was used as a metaphor for Star Trek.
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>>54997764
>>54997888
wtf is a downvote
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>>54997914
It's not a meme sir and I'm very offended
>>54997929
something too advanced for you
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>>54997860
Sherlock Holmes holodeck episodes were trash and you know it
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>>54997959
Honestly, yeah
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Anyone here also go to the /trek/ generals on /tv/? They're pretty fun sometimes.
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>>54983488

box looks like shit

my group laughed atbit so hard

played just to make fun of it

played for 3 hours, had great time, good game would play again
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>>54991047
>Nothing compares to the comradery between Spock, McCoy, and Kirk.
you sure you aren't just nostalgic?
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>>54999965

Possibly, but I'm doubtful. I can explain my becoming a Trek fan later if you like, but:

I've watched every series, and while DS9 comes the closest, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy have the best banter and their relationships (both professional and personal) only get better during the movies.

People let window dressing like 60s era sets and special effects distract them from what the show is really about. Humanity striving to be the best we can be, but still recognizably human, encountering bizarre situations that call upon us to lean on our strengths, cast off our vices. Being unwilling to compromise what makes us what we are, but recognizing that we can always improve.

That being said, I will always acknowledge that TOS has a season and a half of bad episodes. The plots are not well thought out, the science is laughable at best, the special effects underwhelming, and the acting (particularly from guest actors) bad.

But the core three (and the rest of the regular cast) generally do a damn good job. And when it's good, it's some of the best Trek on offer.
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>>54993744
Demon was shit, but Course: Oblivion was fucking perfect.
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>>54998283
No, they're not. /tv/'s stg thinks that Voyager is nonironically good. I mean, I have a soft spot for it, but the majority is undeniably trash.
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>>54972477
Gul Dukat did nothing wrong.
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>Gaul did nothing wrong.
Discuss.
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>>55002168
>Gaul did nothing
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>>55001549
>>55002168
Much as Dukat made the critical error of becoming a lackey for the Dominion, Gaul was wrong to let his people become aservitorrace to the Iconians.
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>>55002168
>Does that make you angry, talaxian?
>No, it just makes me sad. For Jolex, and for you.

>My time on Voyager changed me. I saw the best that people could be. I forgot...or wanted to forget...how evil they could be.

Gaul gave Neelix's "I'm only the comic relief to hide that I've seen some shit" characterisation better depiction than he ever got on the show.
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>>55001626
Bravo
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>>55002269
Who's Gaul?
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>>55002595
2000 BC war begin
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>>55002595
Guy who was in charge of the Vaadwaur in the Voyager episode "Dragon's Teeth" and stayed in charge when the Vaadwaur appeared in STO.
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>>55002269
That's because the show was shit.
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>>55002595
A big guy.
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Looks like cryptic is trying to embrace their inner /tg/.

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10617464
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>>55001549
The occupation was for 50 years.

In that time it is stated in the show that they killed 10 million Bjorans.

Globally in 2016 there were 1.3 million deaths. That's 65 million if it was a constant thing for 50 years.

You could argue that the 10 million was a substantial portion of the Bjoran population but was it really? Bjorans were interstellar when the Cardassians showed up so if anything it's possible that they had a much higher population overall than Earth does today making that 10 million a proportionally even smaller global death toll.

It almost looks like slavery was good for them to say nothing of the huge tech-leap their society got at the end of it after thousands of years of stagnation.
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>>55003586
>Globally in 2016 there were 1.3 million deaths

Globally in 2016 there were 1.3 million road accident deaths

I fucked up and feel bad.
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>>55003596
>tfw the "occupation" was just the spoonheads introducing them to motor vehicles
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We now have the Cardies and Ferengi for ST Ascendancy!

now you can feel like playing birth of the federation all over again - boardgame edition

on that note: the cardassian overseer fleet is awesome, i heard they originally had another hunter killer fleet instead, now we can properly exploit ressources like we're meant to do
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>>55003586
More people died during our period of industrialisation than during the Cardassian "occupation" of Bajor. If someone told you back in the 1800's
>hey we will Industrialise the entire planet all we need are these rare minerals, some alien poon and we want to build a giant space station in your solar system
it would have been worth it even if 10 million "people" died in the process.
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>>55004051
why do you put people in " isn't it supposed to be (((people))) ?
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>>55004087
Says who?
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>>55002246
If Gaul did nothing wrong, why did Asterix have to keep fighting those Romans?
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>>55004170

/pol/
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>>55004356
Because Caesar was a stubborn prick who couldn't see the potential of allying with a tribe of nigh-unbeatable warriors who only need a village's worth of land and resources to hold off the entire Roman army.
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>>55005077
Wheren't those roman camps around the Asterix village just a dumping ground for screwups and other nonwanted people. I remember one book where Asterix and Obelisk see an actual legion and Asterix has serious doubts that they could win even with the magic potion.
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>>55005077
Kinda like Bajor was dumping ground for any Cardassian officers that the High Command wanted out of sight. Propably explains how Dukat got the assignment there.
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>>54986782
Why, what makes Keiko so bad?


Also the only women worth waifuing form Star Trek are Ezri and T'Pol
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>>55005473
>t'pol
I think you meant Hoshi
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>>55005520
Shit, forgot about her, mirror hoshi is hot as fuck
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>>55003586
To be fair, the Cardassians had little interest in just wiping out the Bajoran population. What's the point of enslaving a people if you're just going to kill them off?
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>>55008238

woah there buddy, this kind of talk can get you to jail in a couple of countries
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>>55003586
I put that down to the eternal "trek writers are really shit with numbers" problem. The Number should have been higher or left unknown. Preferably the latter.
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>>54981014

How can warcrimes be real if our eyes aren't real?
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Does a copy of the 'Academy Years' script exist online?
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>>55012202
If you mean the cancelled Star Trek VI, I don't think it even got as far as a script.
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>>55012237
There's a script, I have seen reviews/quotes from it (I think it was meant to be Trek VII), but I've never seen it. I've read that it's been in circulation for a while.
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>>55005309
I really liked that, it's a shame they moved away from that "the village has to keep things as is or they're fucked when the serious ass legions show up."
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>>55003373
>https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10617464
looks gay
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>>55005473
>ezri
>tpol

>not Tuvok's hot nubian wife
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>>55015061
>nobody in their right mind wants to risk Tuvok's reaction to being cucked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ8ePckB1Us
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>>55003373
I'm an Engineer at heart but fuck do I love the way that ship looks.

Dreadnoughts for life!
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STO guys, do the nacelles on the Bellerophon- and Pathfinder-classes adjust themselves at warp, like the standard Intrepid? And for that matter, does the Avenger refit do it?
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>>55016258
No, only the Intrepid has the variable geometry nacelles. The Pathfinder's nacelles are almost totally locked into a ventral arrangement, and it's shocking how terribly the parts mesh on that class.
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Anyone know where to find the Starship Tactical Combat Simulator ship manuals; Klingon, Romulan and Federation are the 3.

Not the fanmade ones, but the original scans of the old books.
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>>55003373
>USS Default Faces
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>>55017350
>USS Default Uniforms
I'd like it more if there was a 200 year old man who refuses to change his Wrath of Khan uniform but nobody wants to tell him no because he's fucking terrifying.
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>>55017481
>>55017350
Sure they are default but they look fine enough as is.
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i find the lack of buzz about STA disturbing!
where are the ppl who demoed the borg on GenCon?
i want to know all the assimilated information
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>>55003982
Got any more deets for their fleets? I recall someone in these threads talking about the imbalance in the base game where Romulan cloaks give you a decisive advantage in fleet combat. Has that been addressed by the new races? Are there additional rules for the core 3? Are there any new imbalances?
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>>55020648

Cloaks give you a good advantage when attacking, roms can get an improved version that lets you toy with your enemies aswell.
It can be very decisive, however Feds and Cardies both have a tech that counters it completely, with Feds gaining complete immunity and cardies on their controlled systems.
No direct rule changes, but new exploration cards and systems.
Ferengi can really take off once they get their proper "techs" which actually are different rules of aquisition
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>>55003373
If the Nacelles were mounted just a smidge further forward it'd really make the design look better.
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>>55015976
I figure everybody likes about 3 or 4 of the Cryptic designed feddie ships.
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>>55003373
>Tit cat played by a man
>Purple haired trill
>Romulan lesbian played by a man
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>>55023535

average night on /tg/
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>>55023869

You joke, but one of my battletech buddies plays nothing but adolescent girls, usually of the witchy variety. He's like 40.
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>>55024728
I don't think that was a joke except by pointing at truth.

This is /tg/ after all, and wanting to be the little girl is a very, very classic 4chan tradition.
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>>55024779
Tell me about it
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>>55019162
Most of the buzz got soaked up 4-6 threads ago. An anon is running two games, one of which I am in, and I've distributed the rulebook to like 20 people. Otherwise it's been pretty quiet.
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>>55019162
Unless you don't mean the new Modiphius game, in which case nevermind.
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>>55016258
>>55016298
I fly a Intrepid bundle kitbash - Discovery saucer, Bellopheron hull and pylons, and cochrane nacelles - and the variable-geometry pylons work most of the time for me, at least for going to warp.
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>>55025082

i guess im not monitoring these threads enough...
i didn't even have 5 ppl at the table so far to play with the expansions, and i have been waiting 8 long months for them.

guess i have to play with myself once im back home
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>>55003373
Gonna give it a look. Will report back on whether or not it's awful.
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>>55019162
The Borg are fucking TERRIFYING. I played a game against them, read through their control deck, checked out their tech deck, and fought them directly on a few occasions. What do you want to know?

>>55025082
>>55025096
He means Star Trek: Ascendancy, not Star Trek Adventures. Confusing, but true. Also, I'm reading through the rulebook I picked up at GenCon and man is it excellent. Gotta still make some pregen characters for a demo game with my buddies.
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>>55028389
They're an npc race, yeah? how have they worked that into the game's mechanics?
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Hey /stg/, gonna be running a sci-fi homebrew soon that's influenced by Star Trek, was wondering if you guys had any adventures I could use to get some inspiration for various sidequests.
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>>55025082
I hope we get a report from that Excalibur anon, dude had some great ideas.
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>>55028369
About 15 minutes in and there's been a leeroy jenkins joke and a bunch of puns "sto" puns. This is going to be rough.

>>55030587
What exactly are you looking for? Stories from the shows? Stories from games? Random Ideas we've thrown together? If the latter, here's one I liked. The context is what would happen if someone packed a Deadalus class starship with a crew of 1000.
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>>55031003
From games and ideas thrown together ideally, thank you for the Kursk one!
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>>55030564
>They're an npc race, yeah?
Yeah, they are. No one really "plays" the Borg. They sorta show up and do stuff semi-randomly.

>how have they worked that into the game's mechanics?
Ok, so, how the Borg work is odd. In order to spawn the Borg, you have to have the planet card Transwarp Hub on the table. You can either start with it out (equidistant from all homeworlds) or you can find it randomly in the deck. Once the Transwarp Hub is in play, the Borg have a chance to spawn each round on their turn (they get a turn order card). The way it works is that they roll a d6 and if the result is more than the number of cubes on the table, they get a cube on the Hub. What this means is that when the Hub is out, they AUTOMATICALLY get a cube on their first roll. Cubes are equivalent to a nine ship fleet, meaning they get nine dice. They also regenerate lost dice on 6s, they gain a shield point each round of combat, and damage on them is not persistent (meaning if they beat you with only one die left, the next time you fight them they're back at nine dice). When a cube defeats a planet, they get a spire. Spires build up one assimilation node each turn until they hit three. On the following turn, they build a cube on the spire that then detaches and goes into the board. When a cube is destroyed, the player who did it gets a Borg Research from the Borg's technology deck and can research that technology. Borg weapons get better based on how many planets they have (and it gets scary fast).

Borg movement is odd. They have what's called a Command Deck that tells them what to do. If a command comes up that could have multiple valid choices, they roll for their decision (ex. if it says attack the nearest planet and two are equidistant, roll for it). Examples of Borg actions are like "move one cube up to two warp jumps toward a planet and fight people there", "just fly around but don't fight", "move every cube up to three warp jumps and fight", or "take a nap and do nothing".
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>>55031361
I like the sound of that. In my opinion, the Borg are best employed in games, both tabletop and video, as an almost unstoppable force that can't be predicted. So that's bang on the money.
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>>55031987
It actually turns out that because the Borg roll for cubes every turn, you literally cannot defeat them. Even if you have a hunter killer fleet that roams around the map and always wins against the cubes, they will keep spawning a cube every turn, destroying your ships and draining your resources accordingly. They're an unstoppable impossible force to defeat. In four turns of the demo game, they annihilated two (out of four) players and wiped out two pre-warp civilizations. The other two players (me and another guy) combo'd our fleets together to take out one cube. It took us 14 ships and it was close. I survived with 2 and he had 1.
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>>55006420
But I'm not a heretic.
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>>55032040
But anon, it's not blue!

375 ml Bacardi® 151 rum
375 ml Everclear® alcohol
375 ml Blue Curacao liqueur
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>>55032040
Looks like Aldebaran Whiskey.
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>>55032185
It's called "Nuke Waste", not actually sure what's in it.
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>>55032040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0RuRJOQa8M
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>>55032204
Lol, forgot about that scene
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>>55031361
>>55032027
Thank God they didn't nerf the Borg.
Do they turn the game into a co-op? I don't see any way for anyone to win copperating against the Borg, or any way for them to survive in a free-for-all.
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>>55032204
https://youtu.be/xIMPbPDwj_g
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>>55030730
Classes starting, a job hunt, and need for a good location got in the way. Still looking to start the game soon though.We might be playing at a local Denny's, since the FLGS isn't an option. (MTG players clog it up that night)
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>>55030730
He's prettymuch practicing on a few of us right now while he gets the Excalibur game together. We're currently aboard a hostile Sovereign that's been captured during trials by brainslugs. Fun times.
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so there is no way to close the transwarp hub? sounds extremely scary in a free for all.

any crazy technologies you can get from them? only read about the 0 cost ones
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Tuvok, 7, and EMH are the only good Voyager characters because they're the only ones for whom a complete lack of naturalistic dialogue is desired.
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>>55035974

They also have actors who give a damn and don't phone it in even when the script is shit.
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>>55036007
So you're saying VOY has a very high Stewart ratio.
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>>55036021

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the Stewart Ratio is the proportion in which an actor puts in effort to the amount of bullshit we're expected to swallow by the script.

In that case, those particular characters have a high Stewart Ratio.

If not, explain it to me so I can use it properly.
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>>55031361
>You can either start with it out (equidistant from all homeworlds)
Wouldn't this require a playing space with a number of dimensions equal to the player count?
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>>55036057

put them in the middle and the rest forms a ring around them
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>>55032027
That seems a bit broken. The Borg should certainly be difficult, but if they're literally unbeatable then that sort of renders the whole game moot.
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>>55037071
Maybe the expansion introduces dedicated anti-Borg mechanics, or it's only meant for dedicated co-op, or other things were done to make them ridiculously hard for the demo to build hype. GF9 isn't an incompetent licensed product producer like Upper Deck and Cryptozoic are, there's no way the Borg will simply be broken in the way Legendary Encounter: Alien and the Cerberus engine deck-building games are
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>>55032027
>>55037071
I mean, a 14-to-1 success with only 3 survivors is better than either of the battles against a Borg cube we've seen so far, so I'd say it quite accurately represents just how horrifyingly unstoppable they are.
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>>55003586
It made the Bajorans more backward, if not technologically then culturally. The global desperation gave religion a foothold again, so that after the occupation you see stupid shit like talk of reviving an ancient caste system and bombing a school for teaching facts about the wormhole as determined by people who actually went in and studied it instead of feelings held by people who got high on some spheres.
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>>55037471
Which they had before occupation, so if anything they were no worse off culturally and had ultimately lost the caste system.
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>>55034121
The game basically becomes a competitive co-op game when the Borg are involved. The way it seems to work is that you have to kinda work around the Borg and pursuing your own objectives while dodging them or holding them off long enough to win. It is rough, to say the least.
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>>55035214
Awesome, tell him to keep with the reports! I know a few people bitched but I was really enjoying hearing from him, hell he inspired me to run my own game, about a search for a missing ship in a region of space blanketed by ion storms.

My players don't know it yet but we're gonna get a bit heart of darkness up in here.
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>>55037374
Plus if they're an optional threat that's fine.
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>>54997093
So Obrien transferred to DS9 so he could hate-fuck Terok Nor as a career choice?
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>>55040625
What am I supposed to be excited about here?
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>>55041320
>Practice tactical excercises IV gives us 1000 Military XP
>We are 1000 Military XP away from Military tier 5
>Military tier 5 gives us ability to build tier 5 fleet shipyard
>Tier 5 shipyard unlocks ALL of the fleet ships for us to purchase
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>>55041382
Could we not do that already with fleet modules at Earth?
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>>55041449
No my friend, first you need the fleet shipyard, and only THEN can you use the fleet modules, fleet marks and fleet ship permits to buy one.

Well, there are some you can buy, like the Excelssior fleet version.
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>>55040625
>can't play on PC because my computer crashes on anything with DX11
>can't afford a new PC
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>>55041641
Fuck, dude, how old is your machine? I was able to play it on my crappy old tosh years ago.
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For STA what do the different ranks for attributes really mean?
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>>55040292
I think he just got sick of life aboard the Enterprise, what with the weekly disasters. So he decided to take up a nice quiet gig on some backwater that the Cardies had just evacuated. After all, nothing of note had ever happened on Bajor...
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>>55035214
>>55030730
Part of the reason I haven't posted as much about my ideas is I know at least my TNG-era game has players in /stg/, and possibly my TOS era game too. Don't want them knowing too much ahead of time.

>>55045662
This is the exact opposite of canon. He says in one episode(I forget which) that he hated being on the Enterprise because there were never any challenges for him, he was just transporter chief. On DS9, he's constantly fixing problems and saving the day(and being made to suffer, because DS9)
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Comfiest ships?
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>>55046564

When they're not getting sucker punched by BoPs.
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>>55046564
Prometheus has holo-emitters all over the ship, so it could have pretty much any interior you want. That can be pretty comfy, at least until the inevitable malfunction that turns it into a massive house of horrors.

Other than that, I'd go for the Nebula.
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>>55046564
http://www.ststcsolda.space/federation/firestorm/firestorm.html

It may not be canon, but tiny TOS vessels are the comfiest of all. TOS in general is super comfy.
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>>55046948
Man, I miss FASA trek. Incidentally, this ship is a perfect fit for something I needed a while back so I am shamelessly stealing it.
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>>55046948

>TOS super comfy

Definitely. Out of curiosity I looked to see if anyone had TOS-ified the Oberth, and there's a couple of attempts.
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What do you guys think of a game set after all the shows and movies (~2380) where the players are crewing a ship that's fresh off the line and part of the crew are actually from the design staff. The ship would be designed to handle potential conflicts with the Dominion (currently a cold war leaning towards peace), Breen (who have been gearing up for war), Romulans (peaceful after the events with Shinzon but issues with the sun near Romulus are causing panic which is being interpreted as potentially hostile), and the Borg.
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>>55048407
Sounds neat. Lots of opportunity there.
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>>55048525
Great, now to either get a group who actually would want to play this and somebody to run it or to prove myself as a DM to myself and find a group to run this for (and before anybody suggests it I prefer playing with people I know). I'd rather play instead of run especially since the idea and build of the ship came from creating a character who would be the chief engineer. I really like the character concept too.
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So fellow /STAdmirals/, if you were to send a ship fitted with a quantum slipstream drive out to search for a long missing deep space expedition, what would it be?
One of the big top of the line vessels designed with the new engines in mind? A smaller or older ship that's been refit?
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>>55048827
It'd have to be something specially built with Quantum Slipstream to be worth a damn, as the material about the drive talks about ships needing a specially designed warp envelope. I'd go off into the Beta Quadrant though, I could give a fuck about the Delta or Gamma quadrants.
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>>55048827

A Galaxy with all her guts pulled out and replaced with mission specific modules. Gotta love that antimatter generator.

With her large shuttle bays, she could be equipped with a number of smallcraft to fill any mission requirements.

Either that or something purpose built to take advantage of the QSD. But, since everyone is using it in STO, I don't really see why it couldn't be repurposed for other ships.
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>>55048827
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>>55048869
I was thinking 10,000 light years into the Alpha quadrant.

>>55048888
>>55048934
So purpose built, big, or both.
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>>55049028
The Alpha quadrant is pretty much where everybody who's anybody in Trek lives. You want exploration, you go into the Beta Quadrant.
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>>55049046

Only a tiny fraction of any of the quadrants is actually explored though.
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>>55048827
Heavily automated (maybe 200 crew-no hotbunking, everyone in the saucer) Excelsior, because modular spaceframe=easy testbed
Modernized, too: slim down the neck and put normal hull plating over the back half like on the Ambassador, angle the nacelle pylons up, no cancerous extra impulse engines on the saucer or weird blobs around the deflector...

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/698c2799-e222-4ab9-9275-6ca81fa33442/Kelvin-timeline-Excelsior-WIP is the closest I've got to a 24th-century redesign of the paceframe that keeps the character of the original
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>>55048934
>A Galaxy that shoots Defiants.

Do the Defiants shoot runabouts?
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Do you guys think Romulans have any telepaths (beyond the Remans)? If they don't would they be trying to fix that and how? If they do what are they doing with them and are they trying to do anything to improve them?

I think the Romulans do but most can't use their abilities without training from a vulcan but the Tal Shiar is likely enacting some sort of breeding/genetic manipulation program to create operatives who can gather information telepathically.
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>>55049737
I don't think Romulans could trust a telepath, even their own. It's too risky. If they want to know what you're thinking, they have a special chair for that.
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>>55049737

We haven't seen any Romulan telepaths onscreen, and they'd be extremely useful for espionage and information extraction. Most on /stg/ seem to lean toward the "Romulans don't have telepaths" side of the fence.

In my case, I think they should, but they should be less adept at it than the Vulcans (since they have a tradition of training beginning in childhood - though ENT really fucks with that). Were I running a Trek game, I'd have Romulans who are telepaths (and Tal Shiar agents who are as well).

But then, I liked the telepaths and other ESP users from TOS, so humans also have them.
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>>55049575
>Do the Defiants shoot runabouts?
I think that would be a downgrade.
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>>55049870
Part of the issue with telepathic Tal Shiar agents is the nature of Vulcan telepathy. It's mostly good for interrogation as they largely need a mind meld when dealing with non-telepaths.
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>>55049575

Note the filename, it's basically a carrier.

It's to play up the starbase aspect of the Galaxy. Use it as a mobile base of operations and the transwarp transport while the non transwarp Defiants fly out to do local exploration and mapping and such. The Defiants are individually relatively short range and low speed, they top out at like warp 9.2 or so, but they're an unparalleled combat chassis, so any trouble they can get into, you know that they'll be able to get back out of again, if they don't curb-stomp it outright.

From a science standpoint, the lack of labs, crew quarters/amenities, and cargo space on the Defiants are all made up for by the abundance of such on the Galaxy, because the Defiants can come back to base for downtime. Each Defiant can conduct experiments and run local scanner sweeps and such, then hand carry or tightbeam the data back to the Galaxy for analysis in it's huge computer core and laboratories.
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>>55050099

I already know the objections about it. My stance is that there's probably a few Tal Shiar agents who have developed it enough to mind meld, but they lack Vulcan training techniques and thus are putting themselves (and the victim) at risk every time they attempt it. It's something even the Tal Shiar would only do as a last resort.

Sure, they could capture a Vulcan and maybe try to convince him to teach them by appealing to his desire for reunification, but they aren't going to torture the secrets of mind melding out of him.
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>>55050395
That wasn't an objection, that was just me supporting my theory that they would work on improving their telepaths. They've already crossbred with humans and klingons (in theory vulcans too) so there's no reason why they wouldn't try to intentionally breed better agents.
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>>55050658

Okay. I agree with you. The Tal Shiar would try to breed better agents.

As a side note, Spock demonstrated three times in TOS that physical contact wasn't necessary for mind melds ("A Taste For Armageddon", "The Devil in the Dark", and "By Any Other Name").
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True, forgot those. Vulcan telepathy and by extension romulan telepathy would need the telepath to be far closer to the target than betazoid telepathy. The obvious result would be romulans attempting to breed with them to create agents that can use telepathy at the range of betazoids (assuming that a half-betazoid can still be telepathic instead of empathic when the other half is telepathic) and the depth of a mind meld.
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Why can't this have been every episode of Voyager
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>>55051000

It would have been glorious.
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>>55049870
Personally, I gave Romulans more telepaths to give them a hook since the Cardassians do that brave new world shit way better. Romulans have evolved to a new level of being evil bastards that's a bit more tech focused than the spoonheads's old fashioned torture tactics.
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>>55052199

>ENT era Romulans experimenting with telepathy and mind/machine interfaces
>TNG/STO era Romulans experimenting with Borg tech

I like it. There's a sinister bionic and telepathic Tal Shiar agent just begging to be written.
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>>55048827
Preferably something with the capacity to actually pick up all of the missing crewmen, dead or alive.

Who else would love to see some of the most "classic" designs actually updated to TNG/post-TNG era designs?
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Alright, /stg/, give me your top-3 "I would love to this in a tabletop Trek game" mission ideas.

>1 - Borg attack three systems at once, none of which are Earth. Crew must pick which one to warp off to and help save the day knowing that at least one of the systems will fall.
>2 - A new wormhole opens up but leads to an unknown part of the universe not inside the Milky Way. Q shows up to try and banter and ridicule the crew into fleeing back to their "little quadrant" with their tail between their legs.
>3 - The USS Laoning, a Miranda Class starship thought long missing, is discovered abandoned and floating through space lightyears off course and completely devoid of life yet showing no signs of there having been a struggle.
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>>55052423
Agreed, it would be amazing in the game I wish I could play (I'm both >>55048407 and >>55049737). Imagine that plotline, especially with a focus on the borg tech, in a game where a PC is the product of a Tal Shiar experiment at creating better telepaths which was raised by the federation (the mother, a betazoid star fleet officer who was captured and thought dead for a time, basically gave the kid to star fleet to raise because she didn't want the reminder of what she went through). It would be especially fun in the 2380s since the Romulan empire is becoming friendly with the Federation and Romulus' sun is going supernova, the Tal Shiar would be accelerating things while also looking to save their sun.
>>55052573
In the game I mentioned I'd love to see 1 or 3. 1 would be the intended mission of the ship and would probably be later when we'd have connections to the systems and reasons to try to save any of them. 3 would just be a fun filler adventure.
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>>55053040
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>>55053050
Found another
These are all from my nana's old used bookstore
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>>55052573
Mission 1 - Holodeck fucks up

Mission 2 - Ship encounters an animal that can survive in space but it is heading towards the Neutral Zone fast

Mission 3 - They find a planet inhabited by Humans that are stereotypical Chinese but the twist is they are manipulated by the Romulans
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>>55053040
>>55053050
>>55053091

Those are neat. I'm a tad jealous, to be honest.
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>>55052573
>A whodunit about a political assassination at a major diplomatic conference
>Players investigate a negative space wedgie which Ferengi have claimed and are trying to monetize
>Players encounter a solar system with two inhabited but pre-warp planets, one of which is currently genociding the other. Prime directive vs. decency, too far from home to phone Starfleet for directions
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What the fuck is a kilogram meter per second cubed?
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>>55053847
Oh fuck me it's energy.
Why didn't they just say gigawatts.
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>>55053847

Treknobabble.Bullshit. Nonsense. LIES.

VOY isn't the original offender, but it is the most egregious.
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>>55053866
Oh nevermind it isn't even that, fuck, I gotta review my basic physics.
>>55053869
At least the other series had the decency to make words up outta nowhere. Drone was a good ep, but I can't shake the feeling that it's one that happens like twice every series.
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>>55053888
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Are there any private owned civilian ships in federation or is ti all just starfreet?
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>>55053951
Yeah we see independent cargo captains like Cassidy Yates a few times.
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>>55053951
I think there are a couple in TOS, though it's never stated if they're feddie citizens or not.
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>>55053951

Mudd's ship, pic related.
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>>55053951
There are. Maquis started their raiding fun with such ships. Then there is the private colony ships that turn into private colonies that are so numerous that you can't seem to throw a rock to star sytem the crew is studying without hitting one.
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>>55053974
>>55053992
>>55054015
>>55054022

So there are potentially thousands ships crewed by academy dropouts explorin’ da spess on their won without answering to those fuckin’ starfleet fascists?
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>>55054095
Potentially, but given how dangerous space is, they probably don't last very long. They don't get paid to risk their ships after all(most operate outside the Federation and thus need funding)
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>>55054095

Yep.
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>>55054113
>Potentially, but given how dangerous space is, they probably don't last very long.

Pakleds survive out there just fine.
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>>55052573
>Mission 1: Fresh from Starfleet Academy and six months into their first assignment, the increasingly desperate party must find (or manufacture) a problem to solve in a sufficiently impressive manner in order to impress their superiors enough to earn a transfer off the Miranda-class USS Carthage before all hands are inevitably lost.

>Mission 2: Drafted into various duties at an important multi-race conference, the crew must undertake various tasks to keep the prickly delegates appeased and ensure that the five-day event proceeds smoothly, all while being subject to the outrageous whims of an increasingly unstable Starfleet admiral.

>Mission 3: While observing a space age but pre-warp civilization, the crew find that planet is home to an ancient Iconian facility, unpowered but otherwise in good condition, and that it has already been discovered by the local populace. The crew must pit the Prime Directive against the danger of leaving such a facility to potentially be reactivated, particularly if it contains one of the famed Iconian gateways. Meanwhile, Starfleet are not the only ones who have taken notice of this world.
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>>55054095
I like to think that there are descendants of Boomers from the 2100's that still operate cargo lanes and haven't set foot on a planet in generations.
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>>55054174
Get out of here, Belter.
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>>55054181
Get yo heavy ass the tanj outta my netsphere, flatlander.
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>>55054181
Stay short, well-walla.
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>>55050870
>physical contact wasn't necessary for mind melds
I believe the general implication (might be going off beta canon here) is that whilst not strictly necessary, it's a lot easier
>>55052573
Q shows up, and actually interacts with the cast instead of just being a smug quest-giver like I did in my crappy LUG campaign
Lower Decks
A few sessions of hunting down smugglers, and then we switch to a few sessions where they play the smugglers. And one of them wants payback on one of the Starfleet PCs
>>55053040
>>55053050
>>55053091
>>55053215
Fun fact: John Byrne revived the Trek photonovel, with his fumetti series New Horizons. The stories are pretty good,
but the photoshopping is pretty abysmal at times
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>>55052573
>1: The Ships Counselor has become jealous of the rank and privilege her rival the Doctor has and has named herself "Chief Commander First Grade". She has taken a whole deck of random crew off on an expedition to find something interesting that she can rub in the Doctors face on the nearest habitable planet which happens to be in Romulan territory. We have to stop her shuttle before she causes an international incident or worse, finds something to rub in the Doctors face because god forbid what she does to one up the Counselor in return.

>2: During an expedition to a newly discovered planet, the Captain has escaped the ship and was last seen running into a forested valley while blindfiring his phaser at his pursuers and yelling nonsense about how Starfleet is trying to kill him. It's up to you, the crew of the USS Titanic, an Oberth class with an experimental warp core designed to churn radioactive plasma out of the nacelles at all times for some reason and no shield system, to find him and get him back on his pills. Again.

>3: While on a standard diplomatic taxi mission with a non-federation nobles, their ancient mysterious guardian has picked a fight with our fuckboy of a security chief and has obliterated half of deck 3 in the resulting battle, including the nursery and child day-care. You must find a way to appease these non-federation nobles whom don't even have warp technology why the fuck are we even transporting these people?! before they get angry and start a war with their neighbors who also aren't a warp civilization or Federation members. Bonus points if you can teach the fridged Dutchess the true meaning of love without cucking her husband.
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>>55054095
It seems likely that the Federation doesn't just hand out ships in the same way it hands out personal goods. Otherwise there'd be civilian ships choking the galaxy instead of just having a few of them. So if you want a private ship you either have to convince some sort of Federation bureaucrat that you'll use it for the benefit of the Federation, which I'm guessing is how Kassidy Yates got started, or else you have to get your hands on some latinum and find someone who's selling, which I assume is what Harry Mudd did.
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Damn Chipotle! You got game! Shoulda tried to arrange a DNA exchange.
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>>55055376
Considering how dilithium, real estate, and skilledman-hours seem to be the only scarce value in the Federation, ships would seem to represent an enormous investment.
Not that Voyager would agree, where do they get all these shuttlecraft from? No-brainer season one episode: all replicators need to be jury-rigged into an industrial replicator, incidentally justifying Neelix's position.
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>>55055408
A better fix would be to just stop letting Chakotay use shuttlecraft after he wrecks the first one. Say that the ship is down to a single shuttlecraft and seriously guys we can't let anything happen to this one, and then they eventually build Tom Paris' Pussy Wagon from scratch or by converting an alien shuttle.
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>>55055427
They shoulda got a mining laser, souped it up with technobabble, and kept trading resources for manufactured goods. Have a new set of shuttles every episode,
Fuck it, Voyager shoulda been Farscape without the muppets.
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>>55055502
>without the muppets.

Problem: Nelix is a right proper muppet.
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>>55055408
I like to think the type 9 shuttle is a sort of Starfleet kit-shuttle, that can be built for way cheaper than most other Starfleet shuttles at the cost of being a piece of flimsy crap.
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