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>>54937280
First for Touhou

>>54937280

"I want to get stabbed" armor.

Did Dead Suns leak yet?

>>54937330
it looks like a fully functional design to me, itd be weak to a mace to the upper chest, but everything else it would protect against, stabs included

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>>54937295
What did they mean by this?

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>>54937280
Custom Power Armor for taking out angry ysokis

>>54937376

Yyyep, Leakanon dumped screenshots of Incident at Absalom Station a couple threads back.

>>54937376
Dump starts here: >>54925249
Or download here: https://mega.nz/#!cnxVHQpK!2tHhVXCabl5sgB5mEbKB5Wdu1VRDnA4GDTXHnPlHeMY

>>54937442
Thanks, anon.

>>54937380

Real plate armors have a "belly" both to help deflecting blows and avoiding mortal stabs in case of rupture.

>>54937394
SPLAT THE RAT

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>>54937388
What did he mean by this?

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>>54937487
this I think.

>>54937394
>>54937483
RIGHT IN THE CHEEK POUCHES!!!

>>54937380

Then you know nothing about armor. That design is suicidal as it redirects the full force of any blow (including from falling flat on your face) directly into your sternum, making it really easy for you to be killed. There's also no room for padding to absorb any of that impact, real plate armor is padded to fuck.

>>54937487
Yo I wanna fuck that Fairy

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>>54937575

What's the best place to put some Adventurers from 48th century Golarion who have been preserved in stasis for a Starfinder game? Where in the galaxy would be a cool place to find some archaic adventurers?

>>54937625
Probably in goo pods on Aucturn, where strange aeons have come and gone without the touch of the Gap.

>>54937625
Put them in a ship found floating derelict in deep space. The adventurers stumbled upon an alien space ship and unknowingly locked themselves into stasis and blasted off into the infinite blackness.

>>54937625
A dragon's trove on Triaxus as priced treasures, trapped inside a gelatinous cube that has over the years turned effectively into amber.

>>54937680
>Jurassic Park but with cloned PF full casters
Fund it

>>54937694
Are all our clones women?

>>54937713
Until they begin transforming into men to reproduce amongst themselves!

>>54937740
Or, you know, find somebody of their own race and reproduce normally?

>>54937772
>allowing guests to fraternize that closely with the exhibits
You just aren't cut out for this line of work, Anon

>>54937740
There's an elixir for that now!

>>54937787
>Not allowing guests to fraternize that closely with the exhibits
You're sitting on a gold mine, Anon

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>>54937571
>redirects the full force of any blow (including from falling flat on your face) directly into your sternum
sex negative feminist bloggers on the internet are not a source of truthful knowledge anon.

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>>54937510
Sasuga Chiruno.

>>54937867
A sex park full of r63 clones of famous people sounds exactly like the sort of thing Eox would have.

>>54937280
C1: It is, and he very much stands out, being 16 feet tall, dressed in red full-plate wielding an axe bigger than any human.

C2: nope, just armor. She blends in with the crowd, but this was her intent.

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>>54937869
>ye ancient armor
You know they used those giant shields for a reason right? And armor is primarily designed to make things be directed away and never land solid hits.

Boobplate does have issues where it can guide weapons into more effective hits.

>>54937876
>sausages!

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>>54937575

Posting again because fuck this:

My GM seems to keep putting us against humanoid enemies who are complete fucking bullshit. He's said 'I don't think classes can give you as thematic set of abilities as just giving them what feels appropriate', which to me translates to 'Yeah enemies will just have what ever the fuck I feel like'.

Here is an example. We were on a train going like 60 miles per hour. We know we're being pursued by bounty hunters because we fucked up and had a huge bounty put on our heads.

Out of fucking nowhere we see something kicking up dust behind us. It's literally just one guy chasing down the train. We assume the worst and have our range try and take pot shots at him. While running the guy grabs the arrow our ranger shot at him and threw it back, except when he threw it the arrow punched a hole in the train car we were in. Eventually he got on the train. Now comes the really bullshit parts.

>me and him in a car with the rest of my part as support
>GM says he suddenly disappears from vision as he blurs
>says he 'time stutters'
>guy is already behind me and still running towards the head of the train
>huge dodge bonus to AC
>gets an extra standard action he uses randomly (GM says it's like the raksasha floating standard)
>guy says he's "Ortensio Scioscia, Fastest Man Alive"
>his hands glow two different colors
>when we shot him with a spell he catches the spell in one hand and shoots it out of the other powered up
>he can do this as an immediate action

We couldn't outrun him, but after he broke the engine of the train we were on we injured him enough that he retreated. This is only one of a bunch of fucking stupid ass characters hat appear to kick the shit out of us.

>>54937916
>A sex-murder park full of r63 clones of in/famous people sounds exactly like the sort of thing Eox would have.
FTFY.

I want to play a Starfinder!

>>54938071
>>54937916
Westworld is canon in Starfinder.

So is Medieval World.

Imagine RotRL done up by Eox or Apostae developers!

>>54938048
Sounds like your DM wants to play freeform RP but is using a tabletop to bait people in. Take his books and light them on fire because clearly he doesn't fucking use them anyways.

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>>54938078

>>54938048
What did you expect? He's literally the fastest man alive.

>>54937936
no one is strong enough to pierce armor with a sword thrust anon. it is completely irrelevent

Hey LeakAnon, any chance you have the GM Screen? I'm tempted to print it out and tape it to cardboard.

>>54938184
It happens all the time in the Hobbit.

>>54938184
But it could be done with actual warhammers or via certain sword techniques like the murder stroke. It even puts you at greater risk from arrows and crossbow bolts. Or y'know lances were a thing too and part of the difficulty in 'winning' a joust was actually getting a solid hit on your opponent.

Going for a magus with 25 point buy, thinking tiefling. Should I reach for a 14 con, or is 12 enough?

Going to have a batman parody with a vigilante princess and her maid who builds all her equipment. What class would be good for the maid?

>>54938297
Artisan?

>>54938240
warhammers swing tho, they cant be thrusted in between the boobs

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>>54937956
>Touhou 17 leaked Cirno concept art

>>54938326
Are you implying that somehow a warhammer swing cannot be guided to a place where it is better able to find purchase?

>>54938154
Run, Barry!

RUN!

>>54937280
>wears what can be charitably called uniform of the Legions of Terror, with a black/read color scheme and a billowing black cloak
I am going to say blends into a crowd.

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>>54938311
This works, I wasn't looking at 3pp. I was trying to find an alchemist who focuses on gadgets that other people can use.

What is the name of the new doll constructs that came out last month, that make craft construct useful before mythic levels?

>>54938340
I'd breed it

>>54937571
Having female warriors at all is unrealistic. If you're going to complain about lack of realism, why ignore that?

>>54938472
How so?

>>54938531
Physically, they're much weaker than men. Psychologically, they're just not wired for it. Why do you think every civilization in history has used men for its warriors?

>>54938577
Not to mention that they had the wombs. You don't go send your baby incubators off to die.

1 man and 100 women can pop out a 100 kids in a year. 100 men and 1 woman can pop out 1 kid in a year.

You keep the ovens alive because all you need to do is add batter. When all you have is the batter... you need an oven.

>>54938577
There's problems organizationally, rather, is where the psychology element sets in. The right training can turn anyone into a killing machine, man or woman. And there's plenty of statistical outliers that make great soldiers in females too.

However many women without any men to hate on quickly start to turn on each-other; something we see far too much of in schools and offices, where the environment goes not so much toxic as 'radioactive nervegas'

>>54938640
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hmlPtRu1SQ

I want to play Dead Suns!

>>54938727
Then you'll have to wait for a /pgg/ campaign!

>>54938727
Then you should run a game for the thread!

>>54938727

You can, though-the book is available as a PDF on Paizo's website, and Leakanon dumped screenshots just a short time ago.

>>54938737
>>54938746
But I don't have the book, though I heard it's really really good and atmospheric!

>>54938836
It's not like you'd run one anyway, dork!

>>54938893
Shut up, baka!

>>54938905
I mean, you never DM for /pgg/ anyway, you cowardly dork!

>>54938905
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD

>>54937330
Realism pedantry is a cancerous blight.

>>54938905
Loser!

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Anyone has the PDF to the book?
I've bought mine but it's in transit right now.

System Shock campaign when?

>>54939046
Did you check the repository before asking?

>>54939046
I'd rather play a Space Vampire game, honestly.
Give people the space succ.

>>54939046
Check the links in the OP.
It can't come soon enough.

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>>54939076

>>54938953
>>54939016
>>54939045
YAMETE

>>54939076
I want to be a cyberskeleton! A glorious fusion of metal and bone!

>>54939158

Seriously though, anon, the first book is out. You have no reason not to run it.

>>54939173
The form I have been promised is more beautiful than even that. They told me I will float through the air and strike at the foes of our biomass with my mind!

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>>54939076

HOLY SHIT IT'S COOLIO

>>54938252
bumpo?

>>54939228
Glorious, brother! To be so blessed.

>>54939244
14

>>54939244
>>54938252
Depends on the level you start, if you start at low level and you want to be Str Magus, Con 14 is the bare minimum. If you start at low level and you're a Dex Magus, you can survive with Con 12

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>>54939076
Ready when you are.

>>54938252
split the difference at 13 and boost it at 4 or 8 with your ability bonus

>>54938836
See: >>54937442
Now run it, you pussy.

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>>54938078

>>54939515
Fine, maybe I will! It'll be really cool, but I'll only run it for my friends on the Cabal.

>>54939554
Good!

>>54938102
It sounds like you're a fucking faggot. People who throw shitfits because enemies have unique abilities are actual retards, get rid of them from your group.

What's the most versatile Magus?

Also I'm thinking of being a Maverick Thronewarden Gunslinger because I get +1d6 to Bluff, Sleight of Hand, Sense Motive, Perception and Profession Gambler. What's the best VMC to keep the skill monkey train rolling?

If a >=Large enemy starts my turn flat-footed by my Shatter Defenses, can I make a full-round action Death or Glory attack without provoking the immediate action counterattack from them?

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So has anyone looked at 3pp for Starfinder yet? There are some things I'm tempted to buy, especially RGGs "Starfarers Companion" and FGGs robot book "Cosmic Odyssey: Service Bots and Synthetic Companions".

Starfarer hasn't been released yet, and not even a preview, but it's supposedly going to have a ton of the old races and classes ported over.

Cosmic Odyssey: Bots looks to be exactly what people want for a construct robot race. Reading from the review for it, it seems you get to completely customize it via picking various parts. and they have a ton of example bots already statted up.

There's even a cheap ass pdf to generate starship names and a traveller style character generator that can kill you in generation.

>>54939636

Probably Hexblade-hexes open a lot of doors for the class in terms of utility and non-burst skills.

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>>54937280
i made a table comparing two types of drones up to lvl 6 in the starfinder thread
>>54939656
>>54939656
>>54939656
here it is in this thread too, double check my math plz

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>>54939660
You know, I usually don't complain about partially exposed skin, but when power armor is involved it seems kinda off

>>54939575
What's your Discord, honey buns? I might want you with me!

>Armor heals you and restore you a couple of times per day
>Each time it produces you a scar that reduces your Cha in 1 (can be recovered)
...so having scars makes you less intimidatory?

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>>54939611
>People who throw shitfits because enemies have unique abilities
There's a difference between having abilities that are grounded within the realms of reason, and things that just do whatever the fuck the dm wants because "Pshhh nuthin personal kid".

The dm in this case had his hostile npc: outrun a train, snatch arrows out of the air and throw them back a billion times hard, teleport, fuck with time, become unhittable, get free actions (because lol y not), say 'lol fuck you' to magic and reflect it back (also harder).

The "DM" doesn't care if its balanced or fair, he just wants to have his moment and fuck the players. Games are supposed to be fun for everyone, not for the DM to grandstand with his SUPAR AWESUM NPC VILLAIN.

But being as you opened up with "UR A FAG", I'm going to assume that you're either the DM in question, or someone similarly shit.

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Where were you when Kasatha body-modding officially went too far?

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>>54939657
It would seem they would not, unless they have combat reflexes or uncanny dodge.

>>54939796
See, when abilities are actually functional; even if it's a strange-as-fuck-build, if it's actually within the framework of the rules, then it's fine. "How is it my fault you guys never thought to combine those two classes and that one item? Figure out how to deal with it"

When things are just handwaved though? "uh whatever that didn't work", or 'variable' save DCs, and so on? Fuck that shit. Not playing by the rules means you already DID take your ball and go on home.

>>54939796
>The dm in this case had his hostile npc:
>outrun a train
A monk can actually do that fairly easily. He needs a 100ft land speed to outrun the train. A level 7 speedster monk manages that.
>snatch arrows out of the air and throw them back a billion times hard
For a monk with snatch arrows they can actually do this if they're sufficiently stronger than the guy firing the arrow.
>teleport fuck with time
Time stutter isn't a teleport, it's a wizard feat
>become unhittable
Never did he say he was unhittable, they did hit him, he just had a big dodge bonus to AC
>get free actions (because lol y not),
This is a thing Raksasha already do, also also initiators can.
>say 'lol fuck you' to magic and reflect it back (also harder).
This one is the only one I can't think of an analogue for except for one golem who does it on spells with attack rolls.


Literally all this points to me is a high level initiating monk using riven hourglass + magic hands.

>The "DM" doesn't care if its balanced or fair, he just wants to have his moment and fuck the players. Games are supposed to be fun for everyone, not for the DM to grandstand with his SUPAR AWESUM NPC VILLAIN.
So you're a faggot who wants a loot pinata, we get it.

>But being as you opened up with "UR A FAG", I'm going to assume that you're either the DM in question, or someone similarly shit.
And I'm gonna say you're a retard because most of the abilities discussed were already things.

>>54939871
Oh, that's wrong. I'm sorry. They could respond because it isn't an attack of opportunity, it's an immediate action.

>>54939887
And it seems here the guy has functional abilities, he just took a speedster monk, added initiating for riven hourglass (or just used the initiating monk archetype), added some feats he couldn't actually qualify for (time stutter), and gave him a weird custom item (the reflect spell thing).

>>54937442
Thank you!!!

>>54939893
>Loot pinata, faggy fag fag lmao fag!
What is it with shit DM's, ad hominem and retarded strawmen.

>>54939711
Im not even sure that's exposed skin or just metal that happens to look flesh colored.

>>54939926
>feats you can't actually qualify for

>>54939893
snatch arrows is vs one attack per round
the initiator abilities that grant more actions at the very least eat up an immediate and grant a single one, with explicit restrictions that it also can't happen more than once a round. they're also expended.

>>54940022
>>feats you can't actually qualify for
Yes, because he's not a PC. I'm not seeing the problem here. Enemies can have abilities that aren't covered by feats. He could just literally add an Su ability, in this case he did but used a feat for how it worked.

>snatch arrows is vs one attack per round
And in the post he said he was doing that as an immediate action, so we can assume it was once per round.

>the initiator abilities that grant more actions at the very least eat up an immediate and grant a single one, with explicit restrictions that it also can't happen more than once a round. they're also expended.
Unless he was a Raksasha, then he just has more actions per round. Or the GM just gave the guy the Raksasha ability because he's fast. I don't see a problem with that.

This is a case of being mad an enemy has custom abilities, even ones that already exist in the game on other monsters.

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http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3c?Building-a-Solarian-Blitz-Soldiers-need-not

There are people who think that a 1st-level melee solarian should start with Strength 14, and people who agree with this. Why?

>>54939970
>itemize the list of abilities
>try and call strawman in order to strawman so you don't have to address my argument
Come on ya moron, at least try to look like you're trying.

>>54940097
>"YOU JUST WANT A LOOT PINATA, FAGGOT" somehow isn't strawmanning
K
>you just don't want to have a pointless fruitless argument!
I have no idea why you think I'd want to "discuss" with you when you're being so blatantly hostile and acting in such poor faith already. I may be spending my time sitting on 4chan all day, but I still have better things to do than have some fuckhead ignore anything I say just to turn around and scream stupid namecalling shit at me.

So in summary, go fuck yourself.

>>54939692
These are meaningless without a comparative Ac xhart for CR appropriate encounters, you know, cbecause we don't know the extent of the EAC or KAC scales.

If the alien book is like the bestiaries, they'll have a 'designing monsters' section with the appropriate chart.

It also occurs to me that they're letting us break down all the math so they can scale the monsters more effectively.

>>54938340
there is something horribly wrong with cirno's feet

>>54938048
Talk to your group and your GM instead of bringing your salt here. Making custom monsters is fine, but if the group isn't enjoying it, there may be an issue. You're adults. Talk it out. Alternatively, ask your GM how you too can acquire such speed.

>>54940190
I'm still waiting for an argument how the set of abilities presented isn't balanced and fair against a high level party because I still haven't seen one. The list of abilities seems well within the realm of possibilities for a villain for a level 10-12 party, particularly a lone enemy.

>>54939926
Spell Reflection can be done with Guardian Spell Parry and/or Mythic Arrow Deflection.

Or, you know,

A FUCKING RING OF SPELL REFLECTION.

But it sounds like this guy was definitely using mythic crap.

>>54940089
Because some people know how to play a game, and you don't.

>>54940190
So you admit you're not willing to discuss or argue your point and therefore concede?

>>54940070
>This is a case of being mad an enemy has custom abilities
>custom abilities
I didn't realize that being impossibly fast, having absurd AC, and saying "lol" to magic is just 'custom abilities'. Is the fastest man in the world just pranking the party, bro? cause that sounds like the defense you're using. "It's just my 'punch you in the dick cause I find it funny' prank bro".

>>54940235
You're making a lot of assumptions about the party ("they *must* be high level"). But you'll probably be waiting a long time for anyone to "discuss" with you, because you're already being a giant cock.

>>54939926
>>54939893
All of these things can be done with mythic tiers and levels in monk.

>>54940258
"Fastest Man Alive" sounds mythic.

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>>54940282
Y'know friendo, you don't win arguments by default when you attempt to abuse other people out of them and people unsurprisingly don't want to talk to you.

>>54939814
>Implying anything doesn't look better than normal Kasatha

>>54940289
>I didn't realize that being impossibly fast
A 12 monk with the Run feat can run 60 miles per hour. In pathfinder it's no way near impossible fast.

> having absurd AC
The party was not only able to hit is AC but injured him enough to force a retreat. It can't have been that high, he just has a lot of it.

>and saying "lol" to magic is just 'custom abilities'
Reflecting a spell as an immediate action is Mythic Reflect Arrows, as another anon stated.

>Is the fastest man in the world just pranking the party, bro? cause that sounds like the defense you're using. "It's just my 'punch you in the dick cause I find it funny' prank bro".
Did you not read the rest of the post. The party was on the run from bounty hunters with a huge bounty on their heads.

He sounds likes a mythic initiating monk. Even the extra initiative is a mythic ability. The enemy probably doesn't even have custom powers except getting time stutter when he shouldn't. It's just a mythic monk.

>>54940289
Anon who posted the story here. For reference we are level 11, we're traveling by train because we're trying to get to the other side of basically the mana wastes to get away from scry and dies.

I asked my GM during this thread and he said the guy was mythic. It still feels like fucking bullshit.

How do you cheat a deck of many things?

>>54940441

Well, Mythic is extremely bullshit in general. Nonmythic entities fighting Mythic ones are at a disadvantage from the beginning.

>>54939893
A train going 60 miles per hour is doing 528 feet per round. Outrunning that requires a base speed of 135 if you're using x4 running, or 265 if you want to keep the combat penalties off by having it just a double-move.

An arrow can be used as an improvised thrown weapon, but to punch through a traincar requires a minimum of 40 damage or 30 + ignoring hardness (possible with initiator maneuvers). It CAN be thrown-back as an improvised weapon immediately on catch, so that much is free, but you do have to be not-flatfooted so the run action can't be taken for this to function.

Time Stutter is a level 10 wizard arcane discovery, requiring thus at least 10 levels of wizard.

There's also the question of where the dodge bonuses to AC (which would be lost if 'running' which means we're looking at base speed 235 minimum to gain 2ft/rd on the train; most likely had to be much higher) are coming from, and what was that bullshit "reflect boosted spell as immediate".

>>54940359
>gets called out as a whiny bitch
>see but I won the argument by not playing

>>54940441
>It still feels like fucking bullshit.
I'd be inclined to agree if the party themselves isn't mythic.
>For reference we are level 11
I had no context except what was provided in this thread.

>>54940467
265 sorry.

>>54940469
>why won't he fall for my stupid bait! whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

>>54939796
Again, it's not like this was some unwinnable fight, and in fact the players did win. What's your point?

>>54940463
It's also the only source of infinite ranged immunity (seriously you'd think there'd be some mythic way to get around that but mythic is 100% melee or bust) I know of, but that's cut/smash from the air NOT deflect/snatch.

>>54940196
>These are meaningless without a comparative Ac xhart for CR appropriate encounters
which is why i listed multiple EACs. also, monsters at the same CR can have wildly different EAC, also, you wont fight all the same CR monsters while you are leveling.

>>54940467
>A train going 60 miles per hour is doing 528 feet per round. Outrunning that requires a base speed of 135 if you're using x4 running, or 265 if you want to keep the combat penalties off by having it just a double-move.
With the run feat it requires 105ft per round. A level 12 monk with expeditious retreat can manage it fairly easily. If he has an item to cast Cheetah's Sprint a few times per day he can very easily run the train down in a few rounds.

>An arrow can be used as an improvised thrown weapon, but to punch through a traincar requires a minimum of 40 damage or 30 + ignoring hardness (possible with initiator maneuvers). It CAN be thrown-back as an improvised weapon immediately on catch, so that much is free, but you do have to be not-flatfooted so the run action can't be taken for this to function.
With the run fleet you don't become flat footed while running, you retain dex.

>Time Stutter is a level 10 wizard arcane discovery, requiring thus at least 10 levels of wizard.
I'll concede if he's a monk he doesn't qualify, but giving enemies class locked feats is fine because they're not PCs.

>There's also the question of where the dodge bonuses to AC (which would be lost if 'running' which means we're looking at base speed 235 minimum to gain 2ft/rd on the train; most likely had to be much higher) are coming from,
The dodge bonus only was mentioned after the guy was in the train, so he's obviously not running any more.

>and what was that bullshit "reflect boosted spell as immediate".
Mythic Deflect Arrows can do it, but not make it stronger.

If i had to pin it down then making the attacks stronger on reflect and giving him time stutter was the custom stuff.

>>54940504
I really don't understand why you're talking to yourself.

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>>54937280

Do you have a separation player-character? Does your character take decisions based on their personality that you would never pick even as a player?

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>>54940508
>What's your point?
>things that just do whatever the fuck the DM wants because [reasons].
If you're going to toss rules out you may as well be free-form rping.

>>54940359
He's in several threads, his style of writing is so obvious

>>54939796
I'm not seeing your point because the players won the fight. The fight was in no way unwinnable because they DID win.

>>54940589
Rules aren't a straitjacket, a DM can make new ones as he sees fit.

>>54940589
We've established that the enemy was a Mythic Monk, even anon mentioned it >>54940441 that he was mythic. Shit, the guy didn't throw out the rules. Throwing on time stutter is really the only issue, and if that's what' you're taking offense with then I'm starting to question your point here.

>>54940564
Wait no I'm an idiot, if the enemy had run he would have Mythic Run, so he goes 7x his normal speed. He can easily catch the train without needing cheetah's sprint.

If it's a level 11 party than a level 15 mythic monk would work. If he has expeditious retreat he's going around 110ft per round or 770ft while running. He gains over 250ft on the train every round.

>>54940395
To be honest 60 mph is pretty easy to reach, if you try to. I had a monk who ran well into 300 kmph, without that feat (which I think is useless btw). Speed is bs in PF though, once you move at 50 ft anything above that is a waste of resources because the vast majority of what you face don't move that fast

>>54940589
What rules has the GM broken besides giving him time stutter without being a level 10 wizard?

>>54940644
Well he's at least level 22: Monk 12 for the speed, and Wizard 10 for time stutter.

Plus Mythic ranks.

I'd be thinking that's pretty damn bullshit too.

>>54940644
>If he has expeditious retreat
Not them, but doesn't work with monk speed, Paizo hates monk so any speed enhacement don't stack with monk's speed

>>54940675
>Well he's at least level 22: Monk 12 for the speed, and Wizard 10 for time stutter.
No, are you a fucking idiot? The GM just gave him time stutter and waves the prereq. Holy shit dude.

>Oh no, the GM gave the enemy a feat he didn't qualify for.
This literally happens in APs.

>>54940661
Why are you so eager to leap to the defense of this guy? All I'm hearing repeatedly is "I'm okay with it because he's not a PC, which means rules don't matter". Which really boils down to emotional pleading.

>>54940712
Probably is the GM

>>54940712
Because I think spewing 'oh a PC couldn't do it then an enemy shouldn't be able to' is a retarded argument. Especially when the offense is having a feat he doesn't normally qualify for.

>>54940712
Why are you autistically screeching about the DM giving an NPC abilities that look cool and don't really give an unfair advantage against the PCs?

>>54940599
The point isn't whether it's winnable or not. It's whether the GM was even bothering to play by their own rules or not.
It's not the result that matters, it's how you got to the result. As they teach in elementary school, "Show Your Fucking Work Faggot". Maybe not in those exact words, however.

>>54940731
No I'm just flabbergasted that posters in /pfg/ are thus offended an enemy has a feat he doesn't qualify for. It seems fucking stupid.

>>54940743
Actually arcane discoveries are class abilities, not feats.

>>54940089
Because you're not the Holy Grail of perfect, unbiased, objective facts?

>>54940765
See you're being an idiot here because there is no rule against the GM giving him time stutter. There are beanies in APs who do similar things like having domains despite not being clerics or having domains they don't qualify for.

The GM has broken no rules here. Enemies are not and should not be built like you build PCs.

>>54940743
>Because I think spewing 'oh a PC couldn't do it then an enemy shouldn't be able to' is a retarded argument.
Except that is an entirely reasonable position. If they're humanoids they should be on the same playing field, no hand-waived nonsense.

>>54940794
So there's no point to having rules at all then. It's all freeform on one side and that's perfectly fine is what you're saying.

>>54940780
Still enemies can have random class feature as special abilities, there is a thing that happens like the enemies in iron gods with domains when they aren't clerics. I don't see the problem.

>>54940766
It's just a load of ruleslawyering schoolchildren who have never DMed a day in their life. They know nothing of directing a narrative or managing the flow of an encounter, they just want to press the win button and get loot from the pinata.

>>54940712
Enemies don't follow chargen, idiot

>>54940743
Time Stutter isn't a feat. Why do you keep calling it a feat. Is wish also a feat? What about Elf, is that a feat?

Clearly Elf is a feat.

>>54940675
Ileosa has CHA to her health, AC and all saves. Karzoug and Baba Yaga gain the bonuses of old age without penalties. There are several monsters that have different feats or additional feats in addition to their bestiary counterparts. Baba Yaga can prepare any spell as if it was a witch spell and is able to act as a patron for a witch. A boss in Iron Gods is a cr !/2 small robot turned large, given extra attacks, dual initiative and spells.

Buddy, there's plenty of cases where hostile NPCs have plenty powers that they shouldn't be able to have normally.

>>54940818
No, is only freeform for the GM, players still have to be constrained by the rules.

>>54940743
Unless they're explicitly something greater than humanoid, such as actually being an aberration with racial hit dice or an outsider with them (including all of the drawbacks those cause), it's to be assumed that a humanoid is limited to what they can get out of a class. The exceptions are specially-noted as being unique for one or two possible things, like "this character still has the Good domain despite being Evil", not a full half of their abilities coming out of the bullshit-o-sphere.

>>54940818
You've never GMed in your life, have you?

>>54940089
Because multipliers are gone

>>54940807
So if the guy was just a medium sized outsider you would have no problem with it?

>>54940818
It's not freeform you moron. The enemy had a stat sheet and the players went against it. How do you feel about enemies who don't have classes like pit fiends who literally say in their description "yeah give them some class features for whatever their theme is".

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>GM gives a player a unique ability for narative purposes despite being not in complete accordance with the rules
Huzzah! What a generous GM!

>GM gives an enemy a unique ability for narative purposes despite being not in complete accordance with the rules
WHAT A VILLAIN! YOUR GM SHOULD BURN HIS BOOKS!

>>54938228
I am looking for the leak of the Starfinder GM screen, too.

The hard copy is out of stock on the Paizo website.

>>54940818
Not that Anon, but yes, dumbass. The DM has unlimited power to build scenarios and run them in the interest of a satisfying narrative. That's it. That's the only requirement of the DM; tell a goddamn story.

>>54940847
Arcane Discoveries can be taken as feats and replace your bonus feat. They function like wizard only feats.

>>54940863
Enjoy missing.

>>54940848
>Baba Yaga
Isn't Baba a mythic creature and has the mythic power that allows her to get the best of old age, never die from old age and don't get the penalties from old age?. At least I remember that from the last time I saw her

>>54940873
What sort of hackneyed shit of a GM gives a power to a PC, and make him "better" than the rest of the PCs?

>>54940825
Are those enemies built under the class framework or are they monstrous-type entities (humanoid or otherwise) whose statblock includes that particular ability but likely lacks others of specific classes?

Now I can't speak for all the guys you're arguing with here, but the addition of Mythic there does have me thinking it's a situation similar to if we were playing GURPS and the GM started pulling stuff out of splatbooks other than the ones he'd specifically allowed.

Like we're all using specific parts of GURPS Fantasy and GURPS Martial Arts and suddenly here's this TL-12 from Spaceships IV.

To me, if they're not even using the same set of books as the players, something's gone horribly wrong.

>>54940843
No, they do at their base (big enemies at least use player wealth, point buys and feat prereqs) but after the character's base is built they usually get fancy trinkets, EX and SU abilities stapled to their robes.

>>54940865
>So if the guy was just a medium sized outsider you would have no problem with it?
If the only thing you're going to change is (humanoid) to (outsider) it's still bullshit. But hey you're on the search for that one tiny concession that lets you flip the entire argument upside down because [reasons].

>>54940888
You don't know that until Dead Suns monster stat blocks are revealed.

>>54940873
>>GM gives a player a unique ability for narative purposes despite being not in complete accordance with the rules
Aka stuff that never happens

>>54940879
They can be taken INSTEAD of your bonus feat, as a wizard. They are not feats.

A soulknife's bladeskills for example are also not feats, "extra bladeskill" requires you to have them to begin with.

>>54940896
You can also kill her permanently if she's under an Anti-Magic field.

>>54940904
He didn't say it makes him better than the rest of the PCs. If someone is playing a Fighter in a party of full casters, giving him unique abilities might be a good thing to do.

>>54940909
But there's nothing stopping any DM outside of something like PFS from just inventing shit from scratch

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>>54940847
>Clearly Elf is a feat.
I like this

>>54940896
No, she has that naturally and doesn't have the mythic ability that gives her the same effect. She is also my case for telling people to stop crying about PB below 25.

>>54940917
Dead Suns was leaked.

>>54940938
Probably? I think most mythic stuff is [SU] so susceptible of being affected by anti-magic fields

>>54940862
I GM weekly. I follow the fucking rules.

#0 is for when the system can't fucking cover it (like when paizo fucks up yet again)

>>54940949
I want to marry an elf!

>>54940917
DON'T MAKE ME TAP THE SIGN: >>54937442

>>54940956
Eh
I guess I was at work during that then

>>54940933
I've done it, though I don't know how common it is to do that.

>>54940917
Dead Suns uses the exact same math as First Contact.

"BUT THE MONSTERS WILL BE BETTER!"-fags BTFO.

>>54940951
>She is also my case for telling people to stop crying about PB below 25.
?

So what people are angry about is the fact the monk had an arcane discovery? Because everything else is just being a mythic monk.

>>54940961
So you're a shit GM. Got it, that explains a lot.

>>54940961
You've never made a custom creature? I find that really fucking hard to believe.

And if it's true the fact you've never made custom creatures to fit your campaign outs toy as a bad GM.

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>>54940966
I would settle for just the legal purchase of one.

>>54940985
People just want to talk about something that isn't Starfinder, I think. They're all having a blast.

>>54941009
Not him, I did, using the rules for creating creatures.

>>54940966
So you want to cause her hundreds of years of heart pain by dying?

>>54940977
Because Baba Yaga, a character that was born under the right stars and was bound to be a mythic creatures since her very birth as per designed by the universe itself is PB25. Players aren't fucking Baba Yaga, hell her daughter who has the spark of mythic potential in her is PB20. Every time I see a PB 25 or above I just have to wonder why the fuck it's not a mythic game since the guys apparently have the same starting point as the creature who refuses to be a god because it comes with a rulebook.

Mechanically, I do understand some people wanting it, but it still doesn't make sense to me in-universe.

>>54941010
I'll butcher you in your sleep, slaver filth

>>54940972
From the looks of the KAC's enemies have, you only need about 4 or 5 attack bonus at lvl 1 to have good enough chance to hit

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>>54941027
Yeah, sure...dying...

>>54941027
>wanting 25PB
>not glorious 50PB gestalt

>>54941005
>>54941009
Yeah only a shit GM would play the same system as the people he's running for. Clearly I should be using Amber like you two do for Pathfinder.

Goddamn worthless pieces of shit. No wonder half these threads are people begging to have people join their roll20s

>>54941026
Which tell you to add custom abilities to your monsters and not just make every enemy a generic beat stick.

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>>54941030
Its not slavery! She wanted to be owned! We had long talks about it and we made sure we were right for each other!

If anything its not that dissimilar from paying a dowry to her family!

>>54941061
>IT'S A DIFFERENT SYSTEM
No seriously, what is your point here.

You're arguing because the GM gave a creature a class feature from another class he's suddenly 'not even playing the same system'. I mean seriously? Are you looking at the position you're arguing for?

>>54941027
A lot of classes don't function well on PB lower than 25. MAD is bad.

>>54941071
Your circuitous rationalizations cannot save you from death!

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>>54941061
Looks like our truth struck a nerve here, boys.

>>54941027
I don't see your argument though.
PB is meaningless on a monster, they don't have to face shit but for once, against the players, they never reached that level by rolling and facing encounters, you can have a monster with 10 in everything and still be unbeatable.

I see a lot of monsters with glass canon features that will get them kill way before reaching the level they're, they only exist to either kill the PCs or die trying and so their survival is meaningless.

This is like using a Frodo as an example of having a useless char can bring stuff to the game, no, Frodo didn't do shit, it was all Tolkien writing how Frodo did shit, is a book, he didn't roll or anything.

Also there's the fact of MAD classes that even with 25 PB perform badly.

>>54941096
News flash! Martials were made to suffer, and should submit to their caster overlords for their nightly injection of cummies.

>>54941027
Pointbuy doesn't mean shit in universe. It's a mechanical concete. Baba Yaga is powerful because she's Baba Yaga, point buy has nothing to do with it. You made this argument before and it still fucking baffles me.

So guy who posted the story here again. Some more info:
>we're level 11
>we started at level 5
>basically at the moment we're in the mana wastes so we can't scry or teleport until we leave it, we're doing this to get away from guys who are trying to scry n' die us
>GM has said starting last level this is gonna be a mythic game, but we don't all earn our sparks at the same time, it takes a 'tiral'
>3 of the 5 members of the party have 1 spark, 1 guy has what the GM is calling a 'Legendary Weapon' which he says is basically equivalent power to a mythic spark
>last guy is waiting on his but GM said it'll probably come within the next session or two

I talked to the GM further he said "The guy is a mythic monk, and I thought time stutter was thematic for him so I added it to represent just how fast he is."

Fuck this I'm quitting the game.

>>54941027
So you're saying that if I want my fighter to be remotely viable with 20 PB I need to make him socially retarded? I need to dumpstat his Charisma just so I can have CON, WIS and STR with a little bit of DEX and ignoring INT?

Or if I want to make a viable monk I have to dump INT and CHA down to shit levels so I can have some remotely workable stats?

>>54941096
Anything below 20 PB is terrible, I'll give you that, but 25 isn't strictly-necessary for anything other than Core Chained Monk (and if you're playing that, you have bigger problems than your point buy).

>>54941129
"you're supposed to ignore the rules" is a truth, now?

>>54941137
Anon, you seem unironically terrible, so please, quit. It will probably make everyone else have more fun.

>>54941152
No, it's just fucking comical how much you're overreacting to 'The GM gave this character an arcane discovery even though he isn't a wizard' as 'The GM doesn't give a fuck about the system! He's playing freeform bullshit! He isn't even playing pathfinder any more!".

Because that is exactly what you're saying.

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>>54941103
But its pure love! and it's incredibly common in my nation! It isn't slavery and it in fact gives her a better life than the inn she was toiling away in since the innkeeper rescued her from the streets!

In fact she's even helping me pick out another one to purchase, she seems to think it might be a cousin of hers!

serious, sometimes wives in places like tang dynasty china would go out and buy another woman from a music house to give to their husband as a second/third/fourth/fifth wife

>>54941027
People want 25 PB because the math for the game is utterly fucked, and attempts to play certain classes (Monk/UMonk, or really just any Str-based martial) just results in a statdumping hell from which none can return without severe autism. Baba yaga being "built on 25 PB" means jack shit.

if you got multiple level-based stat bonuses you were forced to spread out, rather than concentrate everything into 1 stat, shit would be less awful desu

>>54941137
>Fuck this I'm quitting the game.
Good. People who get triggered over extremely minor shit shouldn't be playing games that involve other people.

>>54941173
There's more than one person involved here anon.

>>54941152
No the truth is that you're a bad GM. A good GM knows how to adapt on the fly, when to bend and break rules, and when to make up new ones whole cloth. You're an unoriginal hack and you're getting mad because deep down you know it's true.

>>54941182
An 8 in a mental stat(let's be real, Charisma) is hardly a stat dumping hell unless your obsessed with playing sluts all the time.

After this thread I want to go back to /sfg/.

>>54941250
Fuck off with that shit. All /sfg/ does is makes both threads so slow that we don't even get one good thread a day while the /pgg/-forcer is sleeping.

>>54941193
All of those can be done without tossing the entire book out when you don't need to.

That you can't even work within the system is pathetic.

>>54941250
As in splitting it back to a pathfinder thread and a starfinder thread?

>>54941175
Then I shall kill her cousin's seller as well, cur! The righteous shall never rest until there is Common Rule for all!

>>54941237
taking into account you start with a 10, yeah, reducing that to get points is called dumping, taking also into acount you can only reduce it up to 7 and that extra point (compared to 8) will give you nothing half of the time, yeah, 8 is usually the lowest people go

>>54941272
>Giving an enemy a single, thematically appropriate ability is tossing out the entire book
Try harder, drama queen.

>>54941280
Makes sense to me; the thread is too small for two whole games.

>>54941316
It's really not.

Starfinder is not allowing you easily to one-shot enemies
I wonder how some players will cope with this

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So what's everyone's opinion on the Rajah and the Batal archetype? Thinking about applying to a game with one.

>>54941381
2hu's losing his mind over it already.

>>54941381
Well as long as it's also not allowing us to one-round them with a full attack it's probably one of the few positive changes in the mechanics.

>>54941381
Do what my group's low-op ass usually does and tell people to focus-fire like we're in a mech game.

>>54941401

I wasn't here when those were revealed-do you have a screencap, link, or summary?

>>54941061
Yes, because the Gm couldn't POSSIBLY have plans beyond a single encounter, and might have plans to increase his plyer's power respectively at a later date.

This isn't 4e, where you get your loot in carefulyl planned little packages and your class abilities only by level. The GM can grant his players mythic power, bonus feats, special items, and all sorts of other potential things that you can't possibly know about because you are not privy to his plans.

People like you are the death of any hobby. You should go play 4e with 2hu, you're about the same level of intellect.

>>54941401
Dunno about the archetype, but Rajah seems fine. I'd argue they're better off in small parties though; 3-4 others at most keeps them from having to spread thin or leave folks unboosted.

>>54941410
Full attacks are still deadly, but the full attack penalty can be real bitch
Full attacks get lot stronger with support, like first stacking buffs and debuffs to make them actually hit

>>54941381
I find it a bit odd that grenades are low lethality, to the point that a level 1 grenade can't kill a CR 1/2 creature even dealing max damage, but whatever. We'll see how things end up.

>>54941381
Well it is pretty stupid. Shooting someone with a gun will never kill or even incapacitate them unless they're already badly hurt.

>>54941401
Is Rajah the initiator that gets low BAB? Because that's pretty fucking stupid.

>>54941430
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?528186-Dreamscarred-Press-New-playtest-the-Rajah-an-akashic-initiator!

Akashic initator, basically. I'm doing that class an injustice by describing it that way though. It's a weird class, but the archetype sort of makes it into a warder-lite with akasha.

>>54941137
It's better for everyone else that you do quit since you're incapable of thinking past one encounter. You should be playing 5e or 4e, where each encounter is a stand alone situation and there are no further plots to concern yourself with beyond them.

You definitely need to be playing something that requires less thought and planning. Maybe some nice Warhammer.

>>54941432
The GM can do ALL of those things while still staying inside the rules of the game. A Wizard/Monk with Run could have done all of those things with barely even needing to touch mythic that much, as shown by people on here earlier.

But you just had to sit there and cheat? You couldn't even be bothered to properly make the NPC?

Being so fucking lazy that you can't even do that much for your own game, that's what's killing this hobby.

>>54941465
>>54941470
THE ABSTRACTIONS ANONS
ABSTRACTIONS

>>54941497
WHRPG is actually quite good stuff

>>54941502
Are you seriously saying that a monk 12/wizard 10 is a fairer fight than a monk 12 with a single extra wizard ability.

>>54941492
It really isn't; you're 'Full BaB' when using your class features, but if not, then yeah, you're hosed.

It's pretty interesting this way.

>>54941518

Aren't you extremely likely to die in agony attempting to mount a horse?

>>54941531
We've already established that the following are not his strong suits:
>GMing
>narrative quality
>intelligence
>basic argument
>adaptation/thinking on his feet

Making Human Paladin, 20 pt buy, 1-11, starting @ 1st level.

>Str 18
>Dex 11
>Con 16
>Int 7
>Wis 7
>Cha 16

Racial: Heart of Wilderness (increases negative con score that I die at @ 1 / 2 levels)
FHB: Fey Foundling
F1: Endurance
F3: Diehard
F5: Extra Lay On Hands/Power Attack
F7 : Vital Strike
F9: Extra Lay On Hands/Power Attack
F11: ???

Trait 1: Blessed Touch
Trait 2: ???

>>54941562
>>Int 7
>>Wis 7
Kill yourself.

>>54941595

He wanted to be a paladin so bad. He would spend almost any minute that he could training and trying to improve himself. He could fight well, but just too simple. The authority (teacher/examiner/priest/whatever) wanted to decline him, but because he was so simple, because he was so likeable, they just couldn't say no and break his heart.

>>54941562
>those mentals
Rev up that fall, nigga
>Racial Trait
Here's a hint, taking feats that only work when you're on the ground bleeding out is a fucking dumb. Take the things that will prevent you from being in that situation in the first place.
>Fey Foundling
Cookie cutter, but effective.
>Endurance
STOP! That feat is absolutely worthless. Consider Power Attack or Unsactioned Knowledge.

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Can alchemist make the use of gunpowder, be it for guns or explosives, safer, more powerful or with novel propieties?

>>54941542
Nah that's a bit of an exaggeration. The thing to remember under the 2e system (3e is those same funky dice as the new star wars game) you get big bonuses to pretty much everything you do.

Long as you've actually had basic-training on riding a horse, anyways. Some ratcatcher trying to vault on like the knight just did might be risking what you said.

>>54941595
But he won't know how!

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>>54941041

For a melee soldier or a melee solarian, having a Strength modifier 2 higher will *almost always* give you a higher chance to land a successful attack. The extra 2 damage helps.

Hitting accurately and hitting hard is no less important in a party context. If anything, it is even more important.

A missed swing and/or not dealing *quite* enough damage could spell the difference between a fellow party member having to expend an extra turn to take down an enemy (if they fail, yet another PC has to step up to the task), and the rest of the party being saved their turns, which they can then use to engage other opponents.

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>>54941401
Isn't the Batal basically gestalt bait?

>>54941689
It is good enough
As long as the party survives, it is not a race

>>54941562
>Vital strike meme

>>54941702
Core rajah is gestalt bait too.

>>54941702
>le gestalt is common faec

>>54941562
I'm playing right now a Paladin, well actually a Sohe1/Enlightened Pal6

My stats are 25 point buy though
Str 18
Dex 12
Con 14
Int 12
Wis 10
Cha 18
Traits: Magical Knack, Fate's favored
Feats: Fey foundling, Power Attack, Dodge, Extra LoH, Cornugon Smash

My next feat is going to be unsanctioned knowledge

So far so good, I'm by far the best at saves, and against BBEGs I'm pretty fucking good. AC is pretty good too.

>>54941730

Hey, when I'm in the negatives, all I can do is take a standard.

>>54941662

I expect to be bleeding out pretty often with this character with those mentals.

>>54941805
If you're in negatives as a paladin with LoH and Hero's defiance spell your party is already dead and you'll soon follow

>>54941562
>"Magical Knack? why..."
>Then you remember Paladin is CL-3 class
Goddamnit paizo!!!

>>54941847

If a hit drops me to the negatives, I can keep fighting. If lay on hands doesn't bring me up, then have vital strike as an option.

>>54941804

Thanks, I forgot about magical knack. How do you benefit from Fate's Favored, though?

>>54941401
Way too complicated. No one wants to read 34 pages of class description.

>>54941893
>Fate's Favored
Divine Favor
Deadly Juggernaut
Prayer

>>54941401
I prefer the classic Rajah. The appeal of the class is being a supportive character, I think.

>>54941875
Believe me, you're going to regret it a lot, you have so many LoH and fey foundling gives you so much HPs you will never get to use endurance and diehard. And if you do it won't matter because if they fell you your party is already dead and you'll follow.

>>54941662
You can't willfully do Evil if you're dumb. Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.
Remember, being tricked isn't a fall. The paladin must knowingly or intentionally choose the despicable course of action or inaction.

>>54941920

Ah, yeah. Thank you.

>>54942005

I can always retrain those feats

>>54942010

=]

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>>54939907
I did some follow-up research myself. I'm slightly optimistic but still confused.

To make things clear, since this seems to involve a pretty razor-sharp borderline case:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/shatter-defenses-combat-final
"Any shaken, frightened, or panicked opponent hit by you this round is >flat-footed< to your attacks until >the end of your next turn.<"

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Immediate-Actions
"However, unlike a swift action, an immediate action can be performed at any time—even if it’s not your turn. /.../ You also >cannot< use an immediate action if you are >flat-footed<."

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/death-or-glory-combat
"Against a creature /.../ you can make a single melee attack as a >full-round action< /.../. After you resolve your attack, the opponent you attack can spend an >immediate action< to make a single melee attack against you with the same bonuses.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Full-Round-Actions
"A full-round action requires >an entire round< to complete."

So the question boils down to whether or not the moment after you perform a full-round action counts as "the end of your turn", allowing your opponent to recover from being flat-footed and allowing them to retaliate with the Death or Glory bonuses, i.e.

1. Death or Glory
2. Your turn ends
2.1 Opponent flat-footedness wears of, uses Death or Glory bonus attack

or

1. Death or Glory
1.1 Opponent still flat-footed, no actions
2. Your turn ends

1/2

>>54942022
As a fellow 7 INT 7 WIS champion, I salute you, Anon.

Did DSP ever make a full book for Akasha?

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>>54939907
>>54942040

If the above doesn't work, a possible workaround might be to declare an Intimidate check as a free action using Frightening Ambush after you've declared your use of Death or Glory, but before it resolves. That way, your opponent gets shaken again and leaves them vulnerable to having their flat-footedness being refreshed until your NEXT turn by the combination of Shatter Defenses and the Death or Glory attack, i.e.

1. Death or Glory (start)
1.1 Intimidate
2. Death or Glory (end). Shatter Defenses triggers, opponent flat-footed condition gets extended
3. Your turn ends
3.1 Opponent still flat-footed, no actions

If that isn't legal either, yet another variant could be to declare the free action Intimidate check from Frightening Ambush after Death or Glory instead, and then follow *that* up with a swift action attack using the banned feat Hurtful in order to refresh Shatter Defenses that way, i.e.

1. Death or Glory (start and end)
1.1 Intimidate
1.2 Hurtful. Shatter Defenses triggers, opponent flat-footed condition gets extended
2. Your turn ends
2.1 Opponent flat-footed, no actions


I dunno if the priority works out here. Free actions are faster than immediate actions, but swift actions seem to be as fast as immediate ones.


God damn did that take a while to write. Sorry for tiring you with this, I just want to make an elegant Intimimancer combo.

>>54942022
>I can always retrain those feats
Ah, ok then, if you play with retrain rules then is not a problem.

Man, I wish people allowed those in the games I'm in.

>>54942047
Gloriana pls go

>>54942047

I promise to do good. I promise to do most good that I can. I promise to be the goodest I can be. I will be good with fights. I will be good with my heart.

>>54942068

Shit sucks, homie. My Dm knows I'm still new, and is willing to let mistakes like that slide, but it is a bit more expensive than just the gold that I have to pay.

>>54942069
Hell is a Gloriana

>>54940196
>>54940535
>>54939692
From what I've compared, martial enemies seem to stick nearby (not exact) to 10+1.5*CR for their EAC. KAC is typically 2 higher than EAC. Every martial enemy seems to be within 1 from this formula. Other enemy types scale slightly slower and have a different bonus to either EAC or KAC, but martial enemies are the enemies weaker to EAC attacks.

For martial enemies:
Level 1 = ~11 EAC
Level 3 = ~14 EAC
Level 6 = ~19 EAC

Looking at the scale, it seems drones quickly become more and more useless in combat due to being unable to accurately shoot enemies. I don't have a full list of high level monsters to compare it to, but if that stays accurate, then drones will eventually be unable to strike anything, having to beat EACs above 32 after level 15, even though their BAB is only 75%, and don't seem to have a way to greatly enhance their attack rolls.

I hope they've considered this, because otherwise it'd be another case of fucked up scaling.

How does your character feel about wearing a Codpiece?

>>54942116
If AC was done with scaling then it doesn't surprise me.

I'd guess the drones aren't the only things gradually becoming more and more incompetent at their jobs either

>>54942122
He likes it

>>54941272
>All of those can be done without tossing the entire book out when you don't need to.
>giving an enemy one class feature from another class is throwing out the book.
Fuck man you're dumb.

>>54942097
An (in)famous celeb PC with 7 wis 7 int.

Reminder we have a Starfinder thread.

>>54940855
>>54940855
>>54940855

>>54942159
Why were they (in)famous?

>>54942116
You don't seriously think they've considered this, do you?

Look at the skills. Look at the ship commands. Ask yourself if the alleged playtesters ever played beyond level 1, let alone saw the formulas.

>>54942163
Real /sfg thread:

>>54941447
>>54941447
>>54941447

How bitchy and unpleasant must character be with Char 5, but with Student of Philosophy trait?

>>54942206
Fuck off faggot

>>54942217
You first

>>54941502
>cheat
>GM
>using the rules as written
>cheat
Wow. You're something else.

>>54942215
Not necessarily bitchy and unpleasant, but a character you'd barely want to be around for one reason or other that cannot speak with people outside of academic environments or instances.

>>54941689
>Hitting accurately and hitting hard is no less important in a party context. If anything, it is even more important.
>+1 to hit MOST IMPORTANT THING
>ONLY FIGHTING MATTERS EVER
>YOU NO FIGHT GOOD, YOU MAKE BAD CHARACTER
See, this is why no one should EVER listen to you for anything having to do with anything except 4e.

>>54942206
I can't tell if this is a false flag or not.

I mean it was made over half an hour after the other SF thread.

>>54942082
That's good! You will be good, then.

>>54942215
>>54942272
Literally Kawase

New /pfg/

>>54942336
>>54942336
>>54942336

>>54942344
Falseflag harder. cuckold

>>54942344
Oh you can fuck right off.

>>54942344
P A G E 3
A
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3

YOU SON OF A PROTESTANT WHORE

>>54942383
What's even the problem with pages? Do you want him to wait longer or get it done right on bump limit?

>>54942204
>You don't seriously think they've considered this, do you?
No. But they're not releasing the alien archive for two more months, so I'm hoping people shit on them enough on this topic to hopefully make them aware that they are about to release a book full of monsters nobody can fight. Since flat-footed is only a -2 penalty to ACs, not even that would help.

>>54942400
board etiquette dictates a new general thread isn't to be made until the current general thread hits page 8.

>>54942344
The falseflag is real.

It's probably still that guy who had such a murderboner for /pgg/

>>54942359
They've been falsflagging PF threads for a while now, trying to get them banned. Because it's badwrongfun.

You really think one person was responsible for all the kitsuneposting?

>>54942425
Or at least seven.

>>54942163
>>54942206
>>54942344

Fuck all of you autists, real new thread
>>54942434
>>54942434
>>54942434
>>54942434

Literal children.

>>54942460
God you suck.

>>54942460
Page 4 you cuck

>>54942460

No, fuck off.

>>54942460
Good job. You'll get PF banned yet! soon it will go the way of quests, /wst/, and other badwrongfun!

I have a question about the cavalier, or maybe multi classing in general. This is about the Tactician class ability. When calculating the abilities power, is it based on your Cavalier levels, or your overall levels? For other classes, does it usually state overall levels or specific class levels?I want to do a level 1 dip into cavalier, how does this level up as I get other levels in another class?

>>54942666
It doesn't

>>54942666
Generally, class abilities only work off class level.

if it works off your total level, it will say so.

>>54942401
From what I'm hearing, there's been some threads on the subjects of mechanics that have been deleted and their posters banned.

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>Student of Philosophy:
>You can use your Intelligence modifier in place of your Charisma modifier on Diplomacy checks to persuade others and on Bluff checks to convince others that a lie is true. (This trait does not affect Diplomacy checks to gather information or Bluff checks to feint in combat).

OK. Can you use the Student of Philosophy for:

>Bargaining
>Convey Secret Message
>Feign Harmlessness
>Perform Inconspicuous Action
>Suggest Course of Action

>>54942929
Bargaining is persuading others. Yes.
Conveying secret messages isn't lying, so no.
Feigning Harmlessness is. Yes.
Performing inconspicuous stuff... nah.
Suggesting a course of action is persuasion, so yes.

>>54942929
Suggest Course of Action... maybe.

>>54942929
>>54942992
>>54942994
You could get Clever Wordplay to fill in the gaps otherwise. Fitting for the character as well.

>>54942692
>>54942723

Damn, it slightly puts a small wrinkle into my plans but an anon did lead me towards this dip as a solution to another problem.

Basically I want to create a Empiricist Investigator so I become a super skill monkey. I am going to pump int and dex if I can. Using 3 traits, and a drawback, I can get Student of Philosophy(int to diplomacy and bluff),helpful (increase aid another), and fools for friends (increase aid another again). Then I can add things like Bodyguard and etc. The teamwork feat I really wanted to get working was Harrying Partners. Hence the lvl 1 dip.

Think of Sherlock Holmes/Batman literally poking at an enemy's "weak spots" with a Sword Cane to assist his teammates. "No no no no, strike him here!" or "Yes I know the what the circumference of a toads third toe is, now stop bothering me, I am picking this lock."

Any ideas for this build help? I prefer 1pp but I might be able to convince my GM for 3pp material.

>>54943034
>Think of Sherlock Holmes/Batman literally poking at an enemy's "weak spots" with a Sword Cane to assist his teammates. "No no no no, strike him here!"

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/butterfly-s-sting-critical/

>>54943088
That is a neat feat. Never heard of it before. Goes to show that Pathfinder has so many options that you can get lost and never hear of anything.

How does this work with the Aid Another action? From what I have read, there is no interaction with crits? Can you crit an Aid another action?

>>54943144
>How does this work with the Aid Another action?
It doesn't at all. You crit and hit, you give the crit to someone else. You can probably find a way to Aid Another and attack in the same turn in order to enable the feat.