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Paizo Games General /pgg/
Beachhead Edition. Who gets off the landing craft first in your group? Who is the first in the door when there's trouble? Who is the last one out when withdrawing?
/pfg/ Link Repository (Pathfinder): https://pastebin.com/JLu5xXML
/sfg/ Link Repository (Starfinder): https://pastebin.com/6HjrnNZG
Current Playtests: https://pastebin.com/quSzkadj
Old Thread: >>54919908
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>>54924320
Reposting from last thread. I need a decent flying monster to challenge/kill a level 8 party of four. This creature should kill them if they charge straight in, but be beatable with any sort of prep or good planning. I'd normally make one myself, but I'm in a serious time-crunch and need something quick. Flying is a must.
The party will be monster hunting this thing.
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Can someone start making a MEGA for Starfinder?
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>>54924320
>MFW people insult Starfinder.
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>>54924370
You also said it has be a weird bat shit and a bunch of other things when you got three good suggestions. Go away.
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>>54924381
Why not you, Anon? You'll get to be a /pgg/ legend.
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>>54924413
I thought those were jokes. A gargantuan dragon isn't even remotely fair to throw at a level 8 party. Neither is a wizard.
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>>54924320
<- Accurate representation of Paizo's Starfinder.
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currently recruiting games are:
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85043/bones-and-bed-shackles (ends this week...if it is real) - lewd AP
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85418/mint-rebels-double-treason (ends next week) - rationalist spin on Hell's Rebels AP
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84677/godslayers (ends in one month and a half) - kill gods, be mythic
Faggots, finish your apps.
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We were on page 6, you asshole.
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>>54924464
Yeah, why did OP wait so damn long? Make the new thread when the old thread hits the bump limit, don't wait for it to drop all the way to page 6!
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>>54924320
PAIZO HAS SOLD OUT OF CORE RULEBOOKS AT GENCON, THEY BROUGHT OVER 1 THOUSAND COPIES OF STARFINDER AND SOLD OUT ON DAY 1.
STARFINDER ALWAYS WINS BABY
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>>54924484
At least the OP isn't a bullshit anime image again.
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>>54924504
Great News. Love the game, but it takes ages to get it here.
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>>54924504
Just like pathfinder, starfinder is shit anon, I can't think of a firearm ever invented that couldn't reliably kill a bitch in one shot, go play a real rpg anf not an mmo lite, faggot
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>>54924569
Yeah yeah, you hate thing. We know.
We don't care.
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>>54924320
STARFINDER THREAD THEME MUSIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OxMPFiuKlE
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>>54924569
The people who concern themselves with realism in tabletop games always seem to be the least educated ones.
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>Join a Starfinder game
>Everyone else's backstory is like three sentences long, and mine is nine
Haha, friends, at least I'm in a game...
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>>54924569
Realistic firearms would be in the 2d6-2d12 damage range. So it's really not a problem unless you're /k/, in which case just use higher level weapons as the default.
1d firearms are simply a way of reducing the rusty dagger shanktown effect, and the verisimilitude isn't so bad with energy weapons.
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>>54924569
Black powder weapons.
90% of deaths in the old West were not due to the gunshots, but the wounds becoming septic.
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Alright, other thread's at page 8.
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>>54924880
Do you have Dead Suns by any chance? Asking in case you might leak it later.
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>>54924682
>If you make a long backstory you're a special snowflake/living your power fantasy/both
>If you make a short backstory you're a murderhobo without real interest on the game other than rolling to kill
Is there any acceptable middleground?
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>>54924718
>>54924723
Do recall that a level 1 commoner with average constitution has 3 hp.
What's the average of 1d6? Oh yeah, 3.5.
Funny that.
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>>54924895
>>54924912
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>>54924933
Post a pic of a cute girl and mention early that she is a slut and dtf. After that no one will care about anything you write.
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>>54924933
What defines short and long depends on the group. The content is also quite important.
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>>54924952
Is there really no name on that first Masterpiece in the book?
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>>54924997
It was on the forums and it's in the ToC.
>>54925019
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>>54924997
There... is not. Hah.
>>54924995
>Against the Wall
Well it's worse than Press To The Wall since it only works with stone for some asinine reason, but you're flanking them if they're next to a wall regardless of your own position. Little silly.
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>>54925076
Stop posting this garbage. We only care about Starfinder.
Post Dead Suns or fuck off.
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>>54925113
Fuck off Starfag
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> books shipped weeks before release
> plenty of leaks already
> no scans on the day of release
reee
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>>54925019
Kraggodan's Stance doesn't seem too bad...
WOULD BE NICE IF IT HAD A STAMINA TRICK THOUGH
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>>54925122
Thank you leakanon. Be patient guys. Don't be harsh.
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>>54924392
It is hot garbage, anon. The starship rules don't work. Charisma is still worthless. The entire chapter on environments is invalidated by simple starter clothing. The book is full of contradictory text because it was rushed out the door. There are far better alternatives to Planetfinder, such as Aethera.
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>>54925153
>Pazio is shit at game design
This surprised nobody but the retarded, anon. We all knew Starfinder was going to be shit but we'll all play it anyway
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>>54925113
Make a fucking starfinder thread then, shitwhistle.
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Hey 2hu, what do you think about EAC being a thing that scales easily with armor. Are EAC spells viable given that they will probably miss fairly often now that they are targeting an easy to raise defense?
Its given that stats are now easy to raise and casters now have 3/4 BAB, but still, light armor giving +22 means you will be targeting at least 32 EAC before dex with an attack mod of around +24.
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>>54925198
But we're already in one :^)
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>>54925249
Pls don't post adventure paths, maybe upload them somewhere but don't posts the images directly.
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>>54925249
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>>54925159
Hey, Blazing Hand seems pretty coo-
>Can't be turned off
Why do you fuck up everything, Paizo?
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>>54925270
I agree with you but unfortunately I think we're outvoted.
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My GM seems to keep putting us against humanoid enemies who are complete fucking bullshit. He's said 'I don't think classes can give you as thematic set of abilities as just giving them what feels appropriate', which to me translates to 'Yeah enemies will just have what ever the fuck I feel like'.
Here is an example. We were on a train going like 60 miles per hour. We know we're being pursued by bounty hunters because we fucked up and had a huge bounty put on our heads.
Out of fucking nowhere we see something kicking up dust behind us. It's literally just one guy chasing down the train. We assume the worst and have our range try and take pot shots at him. While running the guy grabs the arrow our ranger shot at him and threw it back, except when he threw it the arrow punched a hole in the train car we were in. Eventually he got on the train. Now comes the really bullshit parts.
>me and him in a car with the rest of my part as support
>GM says he suddenly disappears from vision as he blurs
>says he 'time stutters'
>guy is already behind me and still running towards the head of the train
>huge dodge bonus to AC
>gets an extra standard action he uses randomly
>guy says he's "Ortensio Scioscia, Fastest Man Alive"
>his hands glow two different colors
>when we shot him with a spell he catches the spell in one hand and shoots it out of the other powered up
We couldn't outrun him, but after he broke the engine of the train we were on we injured him enough that he retreated. This is only one of a bunch of fucking stupid ass characters hat appear to kick the shit out of us.
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>>54925253
Paizo games, motherfucker. You wanna shit over people posting pathfinder stuff, make a starfinder thread.
Then maybe we can actually have split threads like we should since they're entirely different games!
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Whatever happened to the Trove? I want full pdfs, not a bunch of images.
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>>54925159
>Blazing eyes
Fucking awesome
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>>54925303
>Fastest Man Alive
>I can also catch and reflect shit at increased power, even magic
This is some Superman level power creep.
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>>54925306
I was originally in favour of unified threads but I've really come around to split threads recently. If no one makes one soon I might put one up.
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>>54925306
Nope, this is Starfinder General now.
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>>54925327
It's shit. You can cast a category of spells that are rarely useful, with a couple metamagics that are rarely useful, and for this you have to spend more than you will ever afford in a real campaign and lose darkvision if you have it.
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>>54925330
It only worked once a round, we figured that out part way through the fight, but yeah it was fucking bullshit.
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>>54925303
So basically, some bossfights are randomly unwinnable and you may as well not fight and conserve resources some times but accidentally tpk on the other.
Honestly I'd say stop playing with the GM but if you're desperate I guess all you can do is be a good cuck and take his shit.
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>>54925381
We normally win our fights, except a few times we've just had to fuck off. Like we won that fight, but it felt like bulshit because we ended up destroying the entire train and burning all our daily resources on the one right.
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>>54925271
I guess I'll just spoil these from here on out.
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>>54925303
What system are you even playing
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>>54925412
You're a fucking attention whore you know that?
Upload it on imgur then post a link.
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>>54925381
>>54925330
Holy shit you guys are pussies. Why does /pfg/ act like every fight should just be 'hit the win button, receive loot'.
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>>54925441
Their love of optimization pushed them to far. There is no going back. No redemption.
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>>54925412
Don't worry about >>54925432 as anon is always an asshole.
You do Besmara's work, and some of us appreciate it.
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Now that the Troves are dead, where do you go to download Pathfinder shit? TPB hasn't had anything new since 2015.
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>>54925441
Fake fights are bullshit, just make it a cutscene and save everyone the 20 minutes it would take to resolve the combat.
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>>54925441
I finally got my players to realize that I don't create unwinnable fights if they pay attention. I also taught them that dragons are always to be feared.
Took about 6 years.
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>>54925481
It wasn't a fake fight, though. Anon's party won, he's just pissed that it took any amount of effort to do so.
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Why does the Iconic envoy look like twighlight sparkle?
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>>54925478
>Troves are dead
Since when
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>>54925478
I just downloaded a few gigs worth of shit though.
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>>54925481
Shit the fight wasn't even unwinnable, the guy fucking said they won in the post, just the guy busted their train first. Enemies having cool abilities is not 'a cutscene', god damn.
Time stutter is a thing too, it's a fucking wizard feat.
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>>54925518
Get a load of the GM getting all defensive.
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>>54925498
Because she is Twilight Sparkle.
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>>54925499
March.
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>>54925490
>I also taught them that dragons are always to be feared.
My players learned after I told them "The only way a dragon reaches 100 is by defeating and killing other dragons for territory. A dragon of any reasonable age is a highly competent, magically gifted, hyper intelligent, and combat experienced megalomaniac who has long since realized fighting fair is an easy way to die.".
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>>54925498
Paizo knows its audience.
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>>54925352
See, that's the thing.
Unified threads worked when Starfinder wasn't out, since there was limited discussion you could HAVE without the actual book. It'd usually boil down to 'what do you want to do in spess game' which is just setting fuckery.
But now the game is out. It's a separate game. Mechanics work differently often in subtle ways. Different things share the same name.
Technomancers. Full attacks. Changing grip on weapons.
And I mean come on, this is fucking /tg/. It's not like one more thread will cause the board to fucking combust or anything.
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>>54925512
I mean dead as in not being updated anymore.
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>>54925543
Twilight Sparkle as run through the paizo art machine, which can only produce good looking things by accident. And has a fetish for stupid amounts of extraneous shit strapped to people's bodies.
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>>54925591
Whoopsie
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>>54925570
Start a Starfinder thread then. Be the change you want to see.
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>>54925122
>>54925146
>>54925076
>>54924995
>>54924952
>>54925159
>>54925193
>All those "quirky" and ethnic characters literally no whites
makes the brain go hickory dickory dock doesn't it?
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>>54925529
God damn /pfg/ are a bunch of entitled idiots if you throw a fit the second an enemy has custom abilities. Do you also throw a fit if a GM creates his own race list?
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>>54925617
The guy on the back screams bieber bowl.
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>>54925570
So, is the Starfinder Mystic really the better version of the original DSP Mystic? Should we just backport it to Pathfinder and shelf the old Mystic?
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>>54925643
Pretty clearly an Asian child.
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>>54925680
You'd think anyone looks asian.
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>>54925617
>cherry-picks the non-white examples in a book with several white characters
Fuck off with your low-effort bait.
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>>54925617
Both the gnomes and the elf alchemist is white. Unless you're saying 'only humans count'. Even then they don't even equate to real world races.
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>>54925669
They're entirely unrelated dude.
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>>54925617
Not really, no. Are you easily triggered by a lack of white male human fighters, anon?
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>>54925698
But I can't identify with people who aren't white, the news said so
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CBA to read the Elemental Master's Handbook to see if there's anything that isn't shit in it, so I'll just ask: is there anything that isn't shit in it?
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>>54925699
Pretty clearly chinks.
>This fantasy world that I'm being sold by a real world company with agendas of their own to push doesn't count in the massive anti white propaganda because lol its fantasy
don't you have a bull to be prepping?
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>>54925742
Yes.
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is it chaotic evil to buy slaves and force them to touch your fluffy tail and brag about the superiority of fluffy tail to them
im asking for a friend
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>>54925742
Naw its pretty much a continuing trend of anti white propaganda avoid at all costs.
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>>54925762
Yikes
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>>54925556
Sadly, telling my players doesn't work really well; they're all very smart, and therefore fail at wisdom.
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>>54925762
How do you treat them outside of that?
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>>54925746
This >>54924995 and this >>54925122 are clearly not asian characters, unless you're blind.
Also you think the iconic alchemist looks asian? Really? Have you ever seen an asian?
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>>54925794
First one is Asian second one is a SJW looking mega dyke. Woah you really changed my mind. But yes I guess she is white.
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>>54925788
i just bought them to touch my fluffy tail on weekdays they're free to do whatever on the weekends
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>>54925762
Slavery is a LE institution.
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>>54925786
>Warn players about a danger they shouldn't fight
>They stop, sit down, and begin discussing battle tactics
Their success rate is pretty good, but I have never once gotten players to run and we've had more than one wipe due to that.
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>>54925807
GAS THE THREAD, RACE WAR NOW!
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>>54925819
Now that campaign details are done being posted, I think I'm clear to stop using spoilers for the images.
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>>54925815
Eh. S'pretty aight then.
There's worse things a slave could have to do than be forced to pat and listen to someone's self-aggrandizement.
Buying the slave is a neutral act. How you treat them afterwards is what matters.
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>>54925832
Racial Holy War*
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>>54925841
Why would you spoiler the campaign anyway? only plebs play book Campaign straight.
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>>54925860
We will take back Absalom!
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>>54925807
>First one is Asian
Again, I'll ask if you've ever actually seen an asian.
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>>54925866
Even if you change half the content a spoiled campaign is still a spoiled campaign.
The only people who don't give a shit about not spoiling are people who metagame or never get into games anyways.
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>>54925866
Just in case. SF is new enough that adding twists is hard.
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>>54925883
I can't wait to see what he says about these two
>>54925859
>>54925877
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>>54925883
I wonder if you have. Black hair, small eyes and green eyes at that? Asian.
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It always baffles me how comically entitled most of /pfg/ players are. Everything from whining the second anything is difficult, or the second a GM tells them no on anything. I've seen people throw fits because elves didn't exist in the setting.
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>>54925877
Hey, it's Jon Bernthal!
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>>54925911
Okay.
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Alright, so what links does an /sfg/ thread need?
Anything other than the link repository?
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>>54925794
>>54925883
Stop feeding the troll.
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>>54925902
>Melacruz
obviously a Hispanic of some nature.
Second dudes white as hell though.
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>>54925762
/jp/ please
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>>54925909
>asian
>green eyes
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>>54925911
I agree, but elves are still cool. Not cool enough to throw fits though.
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>>54925921
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Its the sterotypical female empowerment negro
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>>54925816
Slaver is only Lawful not inherently evil in Pathfinder. Though Law and Evil are the same thing for Paizo so whatever.
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>>54925947
Or you know, just a black woman.
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>>54925948
Slavery is evil in pathfinder. Every god of slavery is evil, the main one being Asmodeus.
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>>54925943
>Paizo these days
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>>54925947
Why so triggered?
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>>54925978
Spess Monsters
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>>54925825
I too am often surprised at my players' success rate. Normally I narratively punish them when they go for a rest right after though.
I'm pretty proud that sometimes (<1%) my players will accept that running away, surrendering, or on the other hand taking prisoners is the right way to go. The trick is to STRONGLY imply the benefits of not going at it like videogame murderhobos and then crossing your fingers.
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>>54925943
>Arms dealer ysoki with a huge ladyboner for knives who offers information, discounts, and introductions in exchange for "little jobs"
I want to annoy her.
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>>54925995
I actually wish I wasn't this way but I became aware of this washing away of whites in fictional media like 4 years ago and I can't turn it off. I really wish I could because it has ruined some fun setting for me, but fuck me if I'm going to fall for this shit. I'm sure at some point we will look at this "ethnic washing" going on in popular culture and cringe just like how people look at 90's edge and cringe now.
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>>54926044
>Khezu and Gigginox
Fucking god damn it.
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>>54925978
>Chained
>Apply to Battleglove
>Extendo-chain Punch
I dig.
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>>54925980
And Sarenrae. It's not her domain directly but she shows approval by allowing her people to keep doing it without reprisal.
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Does anyone else find the art for the Ysoki extremely unnerving. This is coming from a guy who typically likes ratfolk races, but even then I find their art extremely unproportionate. The rest of Starfinder's art is okay-good but damn the ratfolk got shafted in the art department here.
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>>54926045
You realize that 80% of all actors are caucasian, right?
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>>54926045
White people are still present. They're just not the vast majority any more. Do calm down.
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>>54926016
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>>54926078
Pathfinder's claim to fame has been being an alright ripoff of bigger fantasy worlds.
>>54926093
Yes goyim ((((((caucasian)))))
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>>54926081
Yeah, and it still evil when she does it and a reason that paizo are incompetent writers. Every piece of evidence shows slavery is evil save for sarenrae cultists. Every god that actually cares about slavery is extremely evil, including the second most powerful god in the setting.
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>>54926092
I agree, the head to body proportions on the majority of the art are frighteningly off.
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>>54926076
Alright, and that's it for this month unless people want Ruins of Azlant. I'll see you next month for Antihero's Handbook and Book of the Damned.
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Undead PC race for Starfinder when?
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>>54926044
>blindsight: emotion
Huh, can't see androids.
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>>54926122
>unless people want Ruins of Azlant
Why wouldn't we, exactly? Is it shit?
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>>54924952
>Firebrand
This is actually kinda cool. Now I can be Pyro!
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>>54926103
You realize jews are caucasoid, right?
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>>54926122
Thank you kindly, Leakanon. We're all very grateful to you for doing this.
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>>54926130
how2paint sexy dead girls?
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>>54926130
I was hoping for conversion rules like in First Contact, but it seems it wasn't meant to be.
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Anyone else notice the SJW inclusion shitposting started at the same time that the bitching about the books being posted stopped?
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>>54926147
Why do you think I put the word inside the jew bubble?
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>>54926130
Probably in the Alien Archive-going to have a bunch of races.
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>>54926076
Ha, the Spelljammer!!!
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>>54926174
What point are you even trying to make? Because all you seem to be doing is shouting pol memes to see what sticks.
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>>54926198
That's all he's doing, literally.
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>>54926198
The point I'm trying to make is it's pretty obvious the people writing the source books have bit the SJW meme pretty hard and its disgusting to me personally.
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>>54926198
At this point you're just as bad. Stop engaging the troll.
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>>54926222
Why must I be a troll? Why can't I be someone actually upset at the anti white agenda being pushed in popular culture?
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Alignment question. Can someone using "for the greater good" as their justification for committing evil or even just questionable acts be good aligned?
I'm sure we're all familiar with the cliched scenario of someone willing to kill hundreds to save thousands, but what if he's just engaging in morally dubious research "for the greater good" or enslaving a supposedly lesser race "for the greater good" or leading his nation to war "for the greater good"?
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Alright I made a dang starfinder thread.
>>54926278
>>54926278
>>54926278
How bad did I fuck up?
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Ungarato!
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>>54926288
Looks fine.
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>>54926288
0/10, would not shitpost in. Better luck next time, kid.
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>>54925122
>Aether
>Even though Void already exists as an Elemental School
>No other support for Void
This pisses me off
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>>54926277
Thats exactly how evil characters view themselves.
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>>54926261
People who believe in the white genocide meme need to get their head checked.
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>>54926261
I'm opposed to racial pandering in media, but you're fucking stupid. Like, straight up dumb. I feel sorry for your mother because you're so stupid. It's a fucking book about the natural elements in a setting where the style of magic largely belongs to proxy non-caucasian cultures.
It only makes sense that most of the representative images would happen to contain non-caucasians. Worse yet, you've made your division into "whites" and "not-whites", when the fact of the matter is that "not-whites" as a spread is just much broader. They're not literal humans but there're at least two firmly caucasian-based depictions in the book, where-as when you break down not-whites into smaller race groups, you're left with what? A single east asian? One middle eastern? Two africans?
I definitely don't think you're a troll. I think you're just stupid. So fucking stupid.
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>>54926277
Horrible acts with good intentions are still horrible acts, anon.
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>>54926288
>Splitting the threads
Here we go, again
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HEY IDIOTS, STOP FEEDING THE TROLL
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>>54926277
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>>54926354
Splitting the threads FOR TWO SEPARATE GAMES
It's like saying Warhammer Fantasy and 40k should share a thread.
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>>54926349
Yes choke on PC culture. People you disagree with must be dumb your college system told you so!
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Jesus Christ, this thread is ruined because people are too fucking stupid to realize when someone's trolling.
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>>54925146
>Improved Elemental Counterspel
Now hold the phone. Does this make Kineticists good?
Also, Mobile Gathering looks pretty nice too.
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>>54926390
Good pathfinders shit lol
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>>54926288
Pretty fucking poorly. I'm not necessarily opposed to splitting the thread at this point, but there's no decent incentive to go into that one. You should've backlinked to where the SF dump starts in this thread, had a discussion topic, and chose an image to set up a tone that'd convince people to move over.
As it stands that's just /pgg/, Starfinder edition and while I'm prepared to move over, I'm sure most of the thread will stay here if they want to discuss Starfinder since even this OP is more relevant.
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>>54926393
Mobile Gathering makes full-attack composite kinetic blades a LOT more explosive, because now you can move during it. Otherwise it's just another actually rather nice feat to have.
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>>54926373
There isn't enough material for /sfg/ to last on its own unless it merges with all the other space fantasy games.
Besides, we just got it leaked. Of course people are going to be discussing it
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>>54926288
The OP image has breasts, but is not particularly anime. A step in the right direction, but only time will tell whether Starfinder can support its own general yet.
>>54926327
>>54926352
So are you both saying it's IMPOSSIBLE for a character working towards the supposed "greater good" to actually be good? What if they are part of the sacrifice? Maybe it's a lawful dude advocating heavier taxation on the people, knowing he'll probably be losing more money than anyone else but willing to accept it because the government needs that money for some important project. Is that genuinely good? Evil? Neutral? If it's not evil, then that at least goes to show there's some situations where the "greater good" isn't always evil.
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>>54925159
Is it me, or is Sajan basically just using Miroku's Wind Tunnel?
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>>54926425
/pfg/ spent most of its time talking about waifus and stuff anyway, the material available is less relevant.
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>>54926458
Wow, that's a weird pull.
But yeah, I can see it.
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>>54926445
Stop being a fucking munchkin. If your paladid did something dumb, then suck it up and pay the cost of atonement.
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>>54926420
I thought the 'edition' generally served as the topic, it just wasn't expounded on?
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>>54926445
Taxation isn't fundamentally evil.
And you're just arguing for Lawful Evil to be Lawful Good.
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>>54926474
>Wow, that's a weird pull.
Its literally what he's doing. Just look at this shit and try to tell me they didn't rip it off
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IS it me, or does anyone else think the "muh white males" and "Dis now be Starfinder remove Pathfinder" shitposter mightbe the same guy? I mean, posting style and levels of retardedness are around the same, and they seem to be able to get bites on their bait by using the same tactics
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>>54926445
That is demonstrably not what I said. Whether or not there is a sound justification for it, it is still at its core a heinous act. Someone who commits such an act may be good, but the act itself certainly cannot be.
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>>54926535
But taxation is theft
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>>54926458
Now that you mention it, yeah, totally.
>>54926481
I'm not even playing a Paladin. I'm not even playing. I just want to talk about alignment. Would you be happier with some other conundrum? In a situation where the law of the land conflicts with the law your character observes, such as the orders of a particular authority figure or a personal code, which law is actually the proper lawful one to follow?
>>54926535
> Taxation isn't fundamentally evil
That's my point. Taxation isn't evil, so if someone can be pushing for raising taxes because they legitimately think it's a good idea, because it's "for the greater good", are they a person pushing for the greater good that ISN'T evil?
Or would you just say I'm conflating different meanings of the word "good"?
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>>54926583
Taxation without representation*
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>>54926277
LG= I sacrifice myself for the greater good.
LN= We make sacrifices for the greater good.
LE= Sacrifices must be made for the greater good.
The moment the player starts justifying their actions instead of paying for them they are off the good axis.
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>>54926602
All taxation is theft
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so it's kind of official, you can be in multiple collectives at once.
What's the best configuration of collectives for a party? Vitalist for heals, Tactician to buff the party right up, Zealot to smash faces, Empath Medium for skills? What other classes get collectives?
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>>54926590
Look here Jayden smith, I know you must be giddy from having discovered philosophy for the first time but what you're bringing up has already been discussed a million times and from how you're talking its not that you want discussion rather you just want people to agree with your retarded justification.
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>>54926579
Alright, that makes sense. Taxation isn't good or evil (most of the time) so I suppose that example was a bad one anyway.
Well, another question. Can a person be [alignment] just on account of being willing to do [alignment] acts, even they haven't done them yet? In other words, is their alignment determined only by what they have done, or by what they would be willing to do?
>>54926607
So somebody who sacrifices themselves and other people (who may or may not get a say in the matter) would just even out at LN? They're paying for their own actions, but they're making other people go along with it without giving them a choice.
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>>54925060
>Bracking Spell
>Effectively gain DR/Piercing that scales fairly well, for most of the combat, and that applies to quite a large variety of attacks and weapons
Isn't this a fairly solid pick for prepared casters?
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>>54926607
Littlefinger is definitely CE.
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>>54926614
Taxation is the payment for being allowed to live in civilized society.
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>>54926640
>Jayden Smith
You're being too high-brow and cultured for me, I don't know which philosopher that is.
I'll toss you a different question, if this one triggers you. Should "True Neutral: I don't care edition" be a separate alignment from "True Neutral: Everything must be balanced edition"? Are both of those even really True Neutral, or would you say the first might be better called Chaotic Neutral?
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>>54926688
Yeah, I can see that happening, its something for essentially nothing but caster's dont always use their highest level spells every round so its not as good as advertised.
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>>54926665
Alignment is determined by the player or GM as befitting the concept of the character. However, both their previous actions and their willingness to engage in certain actions are certainly viable factors in that consideration. Someone who would gladly commit evil acts if given the opportunity is hardly a good person, and someone with a long and storied history of committing evil acts is very likely a bad guy. Of course, alignment can change, depending on the GM's judgement.
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>>54926726
>You're being too high-brow and cultured for me, I don't know which philosopher that is.
Its not a philosopher, you moron. That other anon was insulting you by calling you Jaden Smith, Will Smith's retarded kid, since your posts come across as about as dumb as that kid's "How can we be real if our eyes aren't real" psuedo-philisophical retarded facebook posts
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>>54926724
hippity hoppity
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>>54926744
Well, yeah, but let's say you end up having an average of DR 6-7/Piercing for the duration of the fight. That still remains pretty solid for a fullcaster. Heck, it could allow for tactical choices in spell usage every round.
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>>54926688
Yeah, since it doesn't have any level adjustment it seems pretty sweet. Limited only to spells with the [Water] descriptor and I don't know how many there are or if many are good, but it's a nice bonus. +0 level metamagic can always be useful for any effects that trigger off you casting a spell modified with metamagic like... Wait, The Arcane Bloodline's bloodline arcana specifies it only triggers in response to metamagic that actually raises the spell's level. That's definitely the less stupid way for it to work, but I could have sworn it just triggered any time you cast a spell with metamagic, even if it's at +0 spell level. Did that get changed on the PFSRD to conform to an errata, or was it always that way?
>>54926767
Do you think changing alignments is something only the DM should get to decide? Have you ever had a DM change your character's alignment, and if so how did it go?
>>54926826
Okay. Is all alignment discussion automatically retarded psuedo-philisophical bullshit?
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>>54926665
By my logic yes.
>>54926720
I'm out of the loop since the show has overtaken the books and I am waiting the binge the whole season. maybe he is more crazed and less cunning lately but not one outside of comics is so 2 dimensional that they "definitely" belong anywhere on an alignment chart.
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Would the game be more balanced if I gave everybody full casting?
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>>54926867
>s all alignment discussion automatically retarded psuedo-philisophical bullshit?
pretty much, since Alignment itself was originally convieved based upon vague yet arbitrary guidelines that inevitably mean different things to different people, with most of the arguing coming from people having differing ideas as to what the different alignments and thier componants actually mean.
Basically, its kinda like autists arguing over what "magic" and "demons" are, bu with more philosophical/ethical baggage associated with it
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>>54926578
>>54926173
Not alone.
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>>54926912
Also, Gygax had a really fucky interpretation of what different alignments meant. I can't recall specifics, only that it was entirely fucked up.
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>>54926726
You realize there's more ways to play TN than just those two, right?
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>>54926912
I really can't say you're wrong, that's the biggest obstacle in trying to discuss what alignment certain acts or people are.
Discussing alignment as a piece of lore for a specific setting though, that should still be fine though right? In Golarion, Chaos was probably the first alignment to exist, since IIRC the first plane was either the Maelstrom or the Abyss and all the planes are made out of aligned soulstuff. Evil might have been second, but I've got no idea when Good and Law showed up. On the other hand, there's that whole business with Ithys and Asmodeus, but I don't remember if they predate the planes themselves.
>>54926969
Yeah.
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>>54926830
Stop consuming the Government's Property. Taxes are no more different than any other form of paying for a good or service. You are paying the government to be able to use amenities like water, electricity, roads, hunting game, telephone wires, and all the other things that the Government actually owns (Except the Wildlife part if you're in NA, as according to the North American Model of Game Management Wildlife is technically property of the Commons and the States merely manage it in the name of the Commons)
To me, paying your taxes is no different than if in an Ancap setting you'd still be paying the local Warlord/Megacorp for the privilege to use their privately own resources. If anything, the presence of Taxation is only possible in a Capitalist society, as a full-blow Communis society would not have any form of taxation due to the wealth and resources already being completely own by the Oligarchy and centrally planned and distributed back to the Proletariat as they see fit. Hence why Communist nations are more likely to fail as well, since no singular group of men should ever be trusted with the great wealth of an entire nation's value and resources.
So, the only wayyou can state the "Hippity Hoppity" line without being a hypocrite, would be if you lived completely and uterly off the grid, never drove, and didn't have access to the internet of modern amenities, which considering you're here on 4chan, we can clearly and easily rule that out
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>Want to play an Operative
>No clue what the rest of the party will be
>Can't decide what specialization
I think I want Thief or Ghost. Anyone have any advice?
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>>54927042
Dude, I just saw someone say "taxation isn't evil" and felt a need to put on some ancap memes.Ancap-ism is fucking retarded, and I 100% agree with you.
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>>54926893
CE doesn't mean crazy. He was CE from the first season but people misattribute personality to alignment.
He was always philosophically opposed to law, order, and tradition. He makes his decisions entirely on his desires, he just has the head to plan for the long-term. As an active choice, he never plays by any of the rules, not even in the way that NE should use lawful methods to get by, he plays to avoid them entirely.
That stuff strongly removes him from lawful, but what puts him most strongly on CE as opposed to NE is that he doesn't just sit on striking out for his own. As far back as his interactions with Ned he's always strongly pushed the idea that the everyone should be an individual operating for themselves. Every aspect of the character leans chaotic.
Chaos is a ladder, so to say.
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>>54927060
Ghost is fine and dandy.
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>>54927060
As a general rule, if your group is full indecisive fucks, then just pick whatever you want and force the niggers to build around YOU.
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I want /pol/ to go and stay go.
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>>54927099
That's how you get five Rogue (Assassin)s and one Barbarian, anon.
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>>54924911
Powered armor is for switch-hitters. The most optimal powered-armor-user is a halfling soldier who keeps Strength at 8 and takes the Guard fighting style to bypass the Strength prerequisite for using the Powered Armor Proficiency feat.
Such a halfling can then avail of a high Strength and a high Dexterity.
I still do not think such a build would be quite as effective as a 5th-level soldier with Blitz, Hit and Run, or Sharpshoot, however.
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>>54927144
I've always wanted to play in a six rogue party.
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>>54924320
SHUT UP AND POST CUTE MECHANIC DRONES
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>>54927060
Take Ghost and then help me decide whether my Vesk Mechanic should go Drone or Exocortex. I know which one is the more sound build, but I'm not sure which flavor is better. I'm wanting to make a Vesk who eschews most of the typical methods and traditions of his people, but still embraces that good ol' Vesk tradition of smashing in faces. I just can't decide whether it'd be cooler for his rejection of tradition to come in the form of him taking self-augmentation and enhancement in the name of becoming harder, better, faster, stronger to a level even other Vesk balk at or whether he "cheats" by having a robo-buddy to fight dirty with.
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Most of us are aware of the envoy's major troubles as a class; I am still positive that a halfling envoy with Longarm Proficiency and Get 'Em at 1st, Clever Feint at 2nd, Weapon Specialization (longarms) at 3rd, Clever Attack at 4th, and Improved Get 'Em is the best possible build for an envoy who wants to kill people and help allies kill people. Nevertheless, I found myself curious about one of the expertise talents:
>Well Informed
>You keep yourself as up to date as possible about the events and major figures of any region you are in. Once you have been in a settlement or region for at least 24 hours, when you attempt a Diplomacy check to gather information, you can forgo your expertise die to attempt the check as a swift action (rather than the normal 24 hours).
Bear in mind that this does not actually limit you to gathering information about "the events and major figures of any region you are in." Since there are telecommunications and internet networks in this setting, a major settlement such as Absalom Station could very well be home to countless information brokers and other intel sources.
A 3rd-level lashunta envoy could have Diplomacy 3 ranks + Charisma modifier 5 with personal upgrade + class skill bonus 3 + racial bonus 2 + insight bonus 3 from Skill Focus = Diplomacy +16. By taking 10, they hit a DC of 26.
• The DC to gather "obscure or secret knowledge" is 20 or more, so this character is well-off when trying to tackle such a task.
• The DC to gather information on a "prominent or well-known individual" is 5 + character's CR, which means up to CR 21 for this lashunta envoy.
• The DC to gather information on an "average or ordinary individual" is 10 + character's CR, which means up to CR 16 for this lashunta envoy.
• The DC to gather information on a "mysterious or obscure individual" is 15 + character's CR, which means up to CR 11 for this lashunta envoy.
How useful could this be? Does this lead to intel omniscience while in Absalom Station?
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>>54927210
OK
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>>54927231
CUTE MECHANIC DRONE DUMP INITIATED
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>>54927251
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>>54927060
Ghost is currently the most powerful of the operative specializations by a wide margin, because it alone gains the +4 trick attack bonus to a Dexterity-based skill.
No matter what Mark Seifter says, the official FAQ has yet to address this.
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>>54927222
No, seeing as ultimately sometimes you just can't learn about certain things with knowledge checks. Like Artifacts, to pull an example from Pathfinder. In fact, these kinds of things almost always are (and should always be in my opinion) plot relevant.
>>54927210
?
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>>54927251
2109 ffordd
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>>54927303
>>54927297
cute drones, you slut, CUTE, not shit.
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>>54927315
cute drone incoming
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>>54927329
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I'm surprised nobody posted WALL-E or medabots yet.
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>>54927315
Fuck you for having different tastes than me then! I'm going to give you an ugly bio-drone instead.
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>>54927341
so the choice between the exocortex AI and drone AI, imo, comes down to do you want to have a single very high attack, or 2 three quarter attacks
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>>54927382
Exocortex also gets you more proficiencies, so you'd have access to more damaging weapons and better armor.
And the passive hacks are nice.
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>>54927382
the drone also allows you to stack int way harder on your actual character, since it has its own
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>>54927428
exo cortex i think also lets you use the overcharge tricks to better effect, since you dont want to use that on a shitty attack.
but the AI drone actually gives a pretty huge amount of HP, that can be healed very easily by the mechanic too
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>>54927315
How about the S19, the most forgettable word in astrogation droids! Designed with a monowheel and cut-rate gyroscope to ensure it is constantly falling over and unable to right itself, it provides excellent service to anyone who doesn't expect their droid to accompany them anywhere! Other features include an astrogation buffer so poorly designed that it must be removed if you modify it to use a repulsorlift engine, and a chassis so padded that most users gut its interior to make room for a shield generator, turning the unit into a mindless laser sponge!
The S19-be disappointed by one today!
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>>54927445
hmmmm,
i wonder if i could make a table with a comparison between exocortex and AI drone damage vs various ACs in excel. i dont remember much from statistics
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>>54927382
>>54927406
The benefits of the drone significantly outweigh the benefits of the exocortex. It does not help that the exocortex has a mostly-dead 5th-level feature, considering that a custom rig can already be inside one's brain. (This is how to use a artificial personality for social skills, by the way.)
As per the FAQ, the Dexterity 16 hover drone can use weapons sized for regular characters, thereby making it a great source of damage output.
Take Longarm Proficiency as your 1st-level feat, and then Versatile Specialization as your 3rd-level feat.
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>>54926323
Void is "outer space" magic in Pathfinder and hss nothing to do with elements.
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>>54924370
>Find CR 11 Monster that can fly (Like a Dragon.)
>Profit??
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>>54925271
YO I WANNA FUCK THAT SHIP.
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>>54924444
Depends on the Wizard
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>>54927527
>The benefits of the drone significantly outweigh the benefits of the exocortex
why. give me your knowledge
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I'm done guys.
I have to redo my mechanics' build cause my dm wouldn't let me use my hover drone as a hoverboard.
That's all I wanted.
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>>54927551
DO NOT TAKE THE SUNRISE MAIDEN'S MAIDENHEAD
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>>54927315
I want to protect its sensory array!
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>>54927564
YOU CAN, just use a combat drone, get the fly mod, and saddle mod
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>>54927484
He's SO UGLY! I love him!
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>>54925527
Hey, look at all those EVIL WHITE MEN!
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>>54925621
>mfwshootout at the club in the first book
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLelk26BlEM
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>>54927585
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>>54927564
Just get the mod that lets you wear it as a backpack. Fluff it as transforming into a hoverboard.
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>>54927564
Drone Meld lets mechanic's fly if they have hover drones, you could easily fluff it as a hoverboard.
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>>54927562
The action economy afforded by the drone is simply more convenient than the personal upgrades offered by the exocortex.
It does not help that the exocortex's full BAB function demands move actions.
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>>54927574
don't really want to play a small character, and the combat drone is medium
is there a way to make it large?
meh, I could always play a space samurai instead
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>>54926383
Nice presumptuous comeback.
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Okay guys, gonna repost this because I still am in need of some feedback on this.
>Accusation Spells
https://pastebin.com/BgcysupX
TL;DR - Apply a debuff which lets you and your allies scream hurtful words and deal damage to someone up to CL times, with higher level increasing damage and letting you also apply debuffs that both pierce normal immunities and strip those immunities from the target if you succeed at a Bluff or Intimidate check.
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>>54926607
Uh no.
LG= I sacrifice myself for the greater good.
LN= We make sacrifices for the greater good.
LE= You're making a sacrifice for the "greater good".
If you're not abusing the law for your own profit you're not Lawful Evil, fuck off.
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>>54927652
Some people can become Evil while still believing themselves to be Good, if they're deluded enough.
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>>54927603
>That song
>That pic
Mein Nigger. Five Star post. I hope we can commando the shit out that club together
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>>54927666
Said people would be deluded LN then. Assuming the could also become Good while still believing themselves to be Evil.
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>>54927631
medium players can ride medium drones
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>>54927698
Oh shit it's true!
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>>54927631
We fixed this in our game by having two mechanics with combat drones. They can turn their two medium drones into one large-size drone, so both of them can ride it.
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God dammit, the first AP looks so COOL.
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>>54927698
and since you can rebuild your drone at anytime you can switch your drone as you level
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>>54927731
nice try, Robert G. McReary
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>>54924569
>I can't think of a firearm ever invented that couldn't reliably kill a bitch in one shot
Contemporary handguns regularly fail to do this.
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>>54927727
sweet! im gonna give this a shot and just fluff it as a 2-person long board
thanks
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Who gets the most benefit out of Sleeping Goddess?
Aegis, Pathwalker Psywar, Warsoul HiPsi Soulknife, Zealot, or Nightmare Dread?
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>>54927800
A contemporary handgun might not kill someone in one shot. Starfinder's 1d6-damage pistols never will.
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>>54927211
Drone seems more interesting to me.
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autosage shitposting
>post yfw Cashmere is still technically a virgin
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>>54927535
Except its treated as an Elemental Wizard School and, just like Aether, requires you to take another Elemental school as an opposition school
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>>54927891
Who?
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>>54927891
No. Please keep it to your Discord group.
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Why would a Solarian ever choose armor over weapon?
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>>54924450
Rather, accurate representation of what we intend to do with that potion.
Who gives a fuck that you can make yourself demi-orthographic-femthromale when you can grow the secondary sexual characteristics you *truly* deserve?
>This is my cock. There are many like it, but this one shoots lasers.
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>>54927891
Nobody cares about your autistic discord group. Fuck off.
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>>54927995
Because they're stupid?
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>>54924463
Godslayers can't because supposedly the GM is writing some mythic-initiating segment that any initiators will/would need.
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>>54928021
That's not even discord shitposting man, that's just friggin' PLD shitposting.
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>>54927645
So what, I can kill somebody by mocking their tiny weiner?
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>>54928031
>/pgg/
>Not /pfg/
Ya done fucked up.
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>>54927652
lawful the alignment has nothing to do with laws. Law is the antithesis of chaos. It is ordering and structuring and categorizing the universe into smaller and smaller units in the face of entropy. Darth Vader Is Lawful Evil because he uses his power to CONTROL the galaxy (or at least the squishy meaty bits that keep forming civilizations and political structures) He killed younglings who had the potential to unbalance the ORDER he was creating.
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>>54928102
Yes.
That's probably Provocative or Enraging Accusation. Both solid options if you have good Bluff checks.
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>>54928131
>needing to bluff check to tell the truth
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>>54928167
If you ask your GM, you might get a bonus on the check if he's shown it to you before. :^)
I was a bit uncertain for what to use for some of the cases when you're technically not scaring them nor lying to them, but I felt it was better to just leave it as only Bluff or Intimidate for all the spells. I guess Perform:Oratory would work, but the only ones who rank that are bard/skald who get VPerformance anyway.
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>>54928212
I rank it, but I'm stupid, so whatever. How does it interact with things like Orator?
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>>54928229
>Bluff check to tell a falsehood
I GUESS if you make patently false accusations, this could work? The Intimidate is a much longer shot and I would probably not let it fly as a GM, but the Bluff would probably be fine.
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>>54928261
Is it an intimidate to demoralize? Does that run into fear immunity?
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>>54928281
>fear immunity
oh boy you didn't read the fine print did you
>This spell works as Violent Accusation, except you may make an Intimidate check against a DC of (10+the creature's Hit Dice+any bonuses against fear effects the target has), as part of as part of making your accusation; if you succeed, the target is Shaken for 1d4 rounds, and the damage dealt is increased by half. This spell ignores immunities (but not bonuses to saves; for the purpose of DCs, an immunity to fear counts as a +4 bonus against fear instead) against Fear effects, and a target that becomes Shaken from this spell loses any immunity to fear effects for the duration of the Shaken effect inflicted by this spell.
Paladins can go fuck right off :)
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>>54925173
Fuck yeah, genie shit.
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So a tenth level arcane trickster can cast fireball and sneak attack everyone that gets hit?
Am I reading this right?
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>>54926147
no they're not they're semetic.
that's why people who hate them are called anti-Semites.
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>>54926578
report him a bunch and find out if both disappear.
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>>54926614
It's not theft if it's part of the social contract you voluntarily choose to live under.
Freedom for security. Obedience for prosperity. individual success for group success.
If you don't want to participate in that, then leave society. No one's stopping you.
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>>54926830
Think of it as rent. Just like you rent an apartment that the landlord then uses some of that money to repair and maintain said apartment and its amenities, and who will bring punishment upon you should you refuse to pay, so too are you renting use of government maintained roads, schools, libraries,healthcare in sane places, etc.
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>>54926950
The only one I've ever heard brought up, though that a thousand times over, was that killing an infant of an always evil race was a justifiably lawful good act, as an act of both preemptive prevention of felonious behavior and as a mercy to the infant. I believe the race used in the example was Orcs, constantly bombarded by the vengeful will of Gruumsh: single-minded, ruthless, genocidal conquest, by sword or by seed.
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>>54927144
I once played in a group who chose all ranged characters but myself.
I had two character ideas in mind, one a caster, one a monk. I went with the monk. He died first session, because pretty much nothing can survive being a one-man front line, especially not a monk.
We would have ben much better as a group of all ranged, kiting the enemies around and scattering then and shooting each other's aggressors.
Instead, we had a front line of one, who died almost immediately in the first boss fight (admittedly, it, along with everything else, was like CR+3 because my DM wanted us level up once every three sessions but refused to use milestones instead because he believes escaping impossible odds is when the game is best) then everything else came close to dying by the end of combat, because they had no strategy other than "let the front line tank."
Point is, a group of all one category is sometimes better than including an odd man out for balance, because it forces the group to actually think about how they're going to handle problems they don't have a designated member for, rather than assuming "eh it's handled" when it's clearly not.
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>>54927222
Okay, fair enough, but it does mean that if intel is available anywhere in reach, that they will have it.
So, intel omniscience limited only by the requirement that someone, somewhere, currently in communication with Absolom or its inhabitants, knows it.
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>>54927564
give it arms then have it grapple you and fly.
It's not a mount, neither of yours' hands are free, but it works. It's the superman style of partnered flight.
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>>54927666
Hitler, for instance.
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>>54927995
Higher AC without the feat for heavy nor the dex penalties that come with it hampering your stealth?
That's my only guess.
If weapon crystals also game armor enchants, it would be a lot more even.
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