MTG Modern General

are there any fun hipster glass cannon combo decks?

i know protean hulk combo is one

>>54847060
Narset cannon and forest belcher

>>54847060
Turbo Narset and Grishoalbrand come to mind

>>54847060
Cheerios.

Literally any interaction fucks you up.

Is Modern Pay-to-win?

>>54847281
There's an initial fee, but throwing more money at it isn't going to make you win, so no it is not.

>>54847281
Ehhhhh.... Yes?
Many decks are cheap, but they're more than likely cheap because they either suck right now or just aren't being played. If you buy Abzan/Jund you'll have enough invested capital to just sell out and buy into any other deck you're feeling.
The top decks obviously cost the most, due to demand from pro players

>>54847281
Yes, play jund and you literally never lose.

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>>54847352
Jund is Tier 3.

>>54847281
Don't listen to
>>54847352
Jund actually sucks dick right now, all 3 Jund players in my meta converted/scrapped their decks to/for Eldrazi Tron, Abzan, and BW Pox

>>54847373
>Lantern Tier 2
>Gifts STorm Tier 1
Yeah, no.

>>54847281
No, since the most expensive decks like Jund and Abzan are actually pretty horrible atm and Affinity and Burn are cheap and tier 1 eternally.
The only format that is pay-to-win is Commander because the ban list is so lax. Just buy a ton of reserved/expensive cards like Moat, Yawgmoths Will, The Abyss, Imperial Seal, Grim Tutor and so on and your deck becomes more powered up the more money you pump in.

>>54846945
Before recently, I generally stuck to staples that had a chance at beating all the high tier stuff at my LGS: so I generally stuck to affinity and death's shadow, sometimes throwing in something like merfolk, tron, or RG Valakut. But I started going to a new store very recently, and it's so chocked full of scrubs that I look forward to playing whatever I want without worrying about going 0-3 drop. Last night I tried Bring to Light and even though I won't play it again, because I think it kinda sucks, I had a good time pummeling my way to 3-0 (small crowd). I'm sure I'll eventually make my way through all the garbage decks in modern and long for some real competition, but for now, it's refreshing.

As for the thread question, I've not played any of those formats. If I can't find opponents to play a format, I don't see the point of bothering with it.

>>54847420
You know tiers are determined by playrate, right?
MTGO data doesn't lie.

What's an inexpensive way to convert my UB Eldrazi deck into something that's competitive or at least playable in Modern? I was looking at Tron but that's a 800 dollar deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ub-eldrazi-aggrocontrol/

Current deck for reference

>>54847505
Shit dude, you need Polluted Deltas and Watery Graves.

>>54847505
Bant Eldrazi or Gx Eldrazi.

>>54847505
Your first purchase should be Eldrazi Temples. Without those, there's not much point to running Eldrazi.

>>54847499
>MTGO data doesn't lie
MTGO data is complete ass since they changed reporting. I want data transparency back.

>>54847518
>>54847527
>>54847552

Forgot to mention the deck linked is just my deck for standard

>>54846945
>What you playing,
Devoted/Counters Company, whatever you wanna call it.
>hating,
Don't really hate it but GDS is rough.
>building?
Genesis Wave. I need Prime Times and Selkies.

Played in a PPTQ today at my LGS with 26 people. I went 3-0 in swiss and ID'd the last two rounds. Top 8'd and lost first round to a friend who was playing GDS, though I beat him earlier. Normally we get a lot more people from out of town for PPTQs, but there were like 3 others going on nearby.

>>54847552

Would wait for after August 26 and the BnR update before buying into Eldrazi. Someone might hate Eldrazi and Tron at the DCI and ban Temple or Tron Lands (which would lower the price of Eldrazi staples).

>>54847587
>Wizards changes which decks are published from the data pool
>this means the data pool is wrong

That's not how this works. The correct line would be to question whether MTGO data matches realworld, or to question the algorithms used to sort decks into archetypes.
Complaining about which five decks get sampled by Wizards is irrelevant here.

>>54847690
>this means the data pool is wrong
It means that the representation of the data pool is wrong.

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>>54847705
>wrong
Now you've done it.

>>54847608
Thanks for the reminder... forgot that Modern PPTQs are back.

2 or 4 Galvanic Blasts main in Affinity?

What are Jund players doing nowadays? In the greater meta (for the whole state), Jund (and Jeskai control) used to be unusually popular. Last year I did well with Eldrazi for the PPTQ season.

>>54847762
I'm a 2 Blast man, but I suppose it depends on your meta.

>>54847505
>Tron is an 800 dollar deck.
Only if you buy Chalices
Regular Gx Tron is like 400 USD tops and 90% of that price is purely because of a playset of Karn.

>>54847762
One mana Boros Charm just sounds too good, I'm a 4 of man myself

Let's say this comes out in the new Dominaria set. I know it will dominate Standard. How will Modern change?

Countering Force
U
Instant
----------------------------------------------------------
As an additional cost to cast Countering Force, pay 1 life and exile a blue card from your hand.

Counter target spell.
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If too format warping, if it was 1U would it be more balanced?

>>54847890
>>54829837

>>54847890
Modern doesn't want efficient counters

Now, something that'd be interesting would be 1U - Counter target spell, it's controller may cast another spell from their hand with CMC less than the countered spell without paying its mana cost this turn.

>>54847805
Jund players rolling into DSJ, and from there, into GDS or I believe, Abzan.
Jund itself is dead.

>>54847936
Affinity is pretty good vs both, right?

>>54847979
Affinity is the best pure aggro deck since the fall of Infect.

>>54847890
make it cost 3UU but have it just be 'counter target spell' and you can cast it without paying the mana cost if you exile a blue card from your hand and lose 1 life, instead.

>>54848042
That's the point, to pay tribute to FOW but be weaker.

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>>54847060
B L U E S T A F F
L U E S T A F F
U E S T A F F
E S T A F F
S T A F F
T A F F
A F F
F F
F

>>54847155
>>54847216
Narset seems like a shitty version of the Griselbrand deck

I think i'll give the Belcher deck a shot

>>54847505
Eldrazi are gay, just play burn my dude. Nothing in the deck will ever be banned, every card in the deck is good, and matches will always end with at least 20 minutes left so you can go get subway, have a smoke or masturbate in the bathroom.

>>54848758

Just one word:

Chalice

>>54847762
I'm a homosexual so I play a 3/3 split of Blast and cast with one of each in the SB
Thoughtcast seems to be the better card in my experience

>>54848775
One word Revelry :^^^^^^)

>>54848800
I actually like smash to smithereens more in the eldrazi matchups.

>>54848876
Smash is nice desu but unless you know what kind of crap is in the meta Revelry is better. When going to a big 100 person tournament its always a better idea to bring Revelry

>>54848926
Well I pack both in the sb, I'm just saying for that specific matchup I bring in smash to smithereens. Also main 1 deflecting palm

since jund is so dead is punishing fire a safe unban?

>>54848972
Mid posting your list burnbro? I'm curious as to what you are affording to cut in exchange for those Smash in you SB
This is my personal dumpster fire http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lightning-bolt-tribal/

>>54849454
No. They would need to ban Grove first

>>54849643
Don't have tapped out but it's the usual package, minus 4 helix to make way for 1 thunderous wrath, 1 deflecting palm, and 2 shard volley. Sb is a mess since I haven't really put money into it but it's 4 destructive revelry, 2 smash to smithereens, 2 blessed alliance, 2 paths, 1 lavamancer and 1 fog

>>54847060
Krark-Clan Ironworks

>>54848800
Actually Chalice at 2 kills burn. All you are left with is riftbolts and your little guys crashing against the eldrazi. Only Monastery Swiftspear could scratch them if you get enough stuff countered.

>>54847281

More like pay-to-compete. There are a lot of different decks that can perform well right now, but they're all going to set you back probably $500 or more, depending on the deck and any budgetary substitutions (running painlands instead of fetches, for example).

Ultimately, if you want to play Modern, my suggestion is that you pick a deck that has lots of pieces that can be re-used in other Modern decks. Noble Hierarch, Thoughtseize, etc.

Nothing looks terribly in danger of banning, with the possible exception of Death's Shadow (though I'd disagree with it).

>>54847762

4 of. It's amazing how many games come down to those last 4 points of damage, and you want to maximize your chances of hitting them.

>>54851050
Bad Eldrazi Tron players , theres a staggering amount of them, will always put Chalice on one. Ive almost never seen them hold off until they can put it on two because they panic.

Has anyone tried hazoret in ponza?
I'm thinking of cutting my one thragtusk and one of my two storm breaths to add 2.

>>54847632
I think temple have higher chance getting banned. Temple are like ancient tomb without downside.

>>54847762

2 in main and 2 in the side is fine. Personally I just prefer to run all 4 in the main. Though to be fair I also run weird shit like Pia's Revolution. It's basically Athreos, God of Passage but for Artifacts.

>>54847890

Why even bother? The format has access to Censor now which is going to be the "Daze" of the format. Give it time to catch on.

>>54852853
>give time for Censor to catch on

Censor in modern will never be compared to Daze in Legacy

Don't be retarded

>>54847762
3 and one Claim//fame

Going to sell my B/W Pox Deck, what should I buy into anons?

> Affinity
> B/U Faeries
> U/W Control

Affinity and UW Control seem better than Faeries in the meta but Faeries seems pretty fun/interactive.

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what's the best way to bully a Magic player?

>>54854326
Affinity after the 28th

>>54854444
Lantern control

>>54854326
Affinity gives you access to all the fun artifact shenanigans decks.

>>54854558

I was definitely leaning towards Affinity, also >>54854444 I was gonna say Lantern Control too, but you have to make sure you take your turns really slow while tapping and untapping with a puzzled look, then just play a land kek.

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how do I make it less shit? new to making decks

I didn't realize that returning from graveyard to play =/= casting from your graveyard, so vengevine is almost useless right? or do I want to hold on to 1 drops to cast from my hand for him? seems very inefficient. any feedback is appreciated yes I know it sucks

>>54854934
also, I was considering going down 1 troll since having more than one on the field doesn't seem helpful, and maybe adding in the 3 mana zombie knight that you can cast from the graveyard to make more fuel for vengevine and make it easier to bring back gravecrawlers

>>54854934
Scourge of Nel Toth isn't modern legal m8.

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Why do control players always look like such huge fucking autists?

>>54855555
Because only autists play control.

Is there any beginners guide for general purpose card game fundamentals? Something similar to the footsies handbook for fightan games.

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Is G/W Value Town for real? I've been wanting to build a company deck for awhile and I've got 4 companies just kinda doing nothing but sit on my desk right now.

If you could build any deck right now, what would it be?

>>54855924

Just build bant spirits with CoCo and have fun

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I just found this exists and I want to make a dumb deck with it and Curse of death's hold.
What's the best way to cheat bitterheart witch's LTB trigger so I can pile the curses? Or is there a better way to get them in play?

>>54856027

bant spirits player here, it's fun

but fuck all is dust

>>54856465
My buddy plays Bant spirits and loves the deck. I rock E&T, and the matchup is always super fun.

>>54847060
LIGHTNING STORM
is a fun deck.

>>54855360
Careful Study isn't either

>>54856095
Enduring Ideal

>>54854592

Just played my first game against Tron with my new Affinity deck, god dam was that a rush!

> Have a god hand first game and drop it all by T2, got him down to 2 life by T3
> He got Tron the last turn but he had to tap out for it
> He untaps and slams and activates Oblivion Stone and my heart drops, I'm in top deck mode now, and next turn he plays Karn, GG
> Game 2 I get an OK draw, end up just having Drums and Opal out T1, then play Pest, Skirge and Plating. He has no answer and I manage to Galv Blast him just before he untaps with Tron
> Game 3 he mulls to 4 and I know its GG, I got the nuts draw.

Fuck Tron, I don't feel bad for him at all.

>>54856465
esper spirits >> all other spirits

i got bored with mono red tron, i think i'm going to try to build a vehicles deck in modern.

should i try to splash a third color?
black gives me push, liliana, scrapheap scrounger, lingering souls
green gives me renegade rallier and coco.
blue gives spell queller and shu yun i guess?

>>54855555
Because they are.

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>Showing a Cryptic Command to get your opponent to concede when he's got like three tec edges on board to take you off your blue

A bold strategy

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>>54857573
>It's mono blue only using islands.

>>54855713
Reid Duke's Level One is specifically about Magic but it's pretty good for understanding card advantage, tempo, etc: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/level-one/level-one-full-course-2015-10-05

>>54854934
Look for BUG Dredgevine decks. Here's a couple lists:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-02-17-bug-dredgevine/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/modern-bug-dredgevine/

>>54846945
>other thread q

if you had to, what ravnican guild would you join and why?

>>54854444
Play Tron with all Chinese mismatched Tron pieces and tell your opponent you have Tron at all times.

>>54859379
A strict judge would deem that cheating. Just like you arent allowed to use a certain misprinted German land that uses another lands art. I think its plains and its a forest art but it might be the other way around.

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Banned at REL Competitive Tournaments

>>54856777
>playing an unfair deck
>complain about an unfair deck
Congrats on the win, but this is a classic lack of self-awareness.

>>54860173

I never said I was playing a fair deck. I'm just saying Fuck Tron. I've always played decks that ate Affinity for breakfast but lose hard to Tron, so its a nice change for me.

Anyone else notice U/W control and its variants seem underrepresented? I think its the best deck right now but people just don't want to play control.

>>54860173
>play Affinity
>removal actually does something against you
>Sideboard cards absolutely destroy the deck, Stony Silence turns off almost everything in the deck
>Actually have to think about your plays

>play Tron
>removal does almost nothing against Reality Smashers, Matter Reshapers, and Wurmcoil Engines, get two for oned all the time
>Laugh off sideboard cards, nice Fulminator Mage scrub
>No thought or skill required just assemble the lands and slam your topdecks, occasionally have to think about what your opponent is on when casting Chalice.

>>54860371
maybe we could use a card thats like a 3 cmc that says distroy target colorless creature or somthing

or if your blue you could snag a copy of ceremonious rejection

August B&R Predictions?

>BANNED

Nothing

>UNBANNED

Bloodbraid Elf

>WATCH LIST

Street Wraith, Tron lands, Valakut

>>54860370

Yeah, because it's modern. The top decks are all hard-aggro basically so most people don't want to spend money building control decks.

>>54860492
>banning tron lands
just ban Expedition Map

>>54860492
They aren't going to touch anything because at the moment nobody is complaining.

Captcha had a street sign that said "A BAN".

>>54860522
it would be nice if GDS was maimed a bit with a ban or two

or just ban thoughtseise, that would be nice too

>>54846945
That vala isn't cute. It isn't cute at all!

>>54860493

I don't know man, I keep seeing people constantly 5-0 and amassing large numbers of trophies on MTGO with U/W/X Control. For example I don't think I've beaten U/W Control ever.

>>54860492
When are the b&r announcments?

>>54860600
August 28

>>54860620
Thanks mate

>>54860563

The meta in MTGO isn't the same as the meta in RL paper magic.

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>>54860492
It's time to unban best girl!

>>54860892
It is NEVER EVER happening

Sort of wanna play UB Delver. Delver, Bob, Snaps, Angler seems like a solid creature package.

>>54860978
Delver will never be good without FoW, brainstorm, and literally every other good spell in blue that will never ever be printed in modern.

>>54860951
A man can dream.

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>>54860978
Are you sure you want to play delve threats with Bob?

>>54860978
just buy forces and play Legacy UB Shadow Delver

>>54861013
Are you calling me a pussy?

>mfw someone I know only made day 2 of this weekend's GP because his opponent flipped a Siege Rhino and sudoku'd

>>54861018
That sounds like a great idea until you remember that Swords turns into a boardwipe against Death's Shadow.

>>54861063
just rely on gurmags/delver and pray you never fight a white deck

>>54861063
>swords
not the same guy but are you talking about the swords as in equipment swords or is there a deck that uses the called swords

>>54861438
He's talking about the card Swords to Plowshares.

>>54861465
oooooooooooooh, gotcha

>>54860563
>>54860493
>>54860370
Control isn't a very good strategy in modern

Objectively

>>54852983

I know it's nowhere good as Daze because Daze can be played for free, don't be retarded in assuming that. But Censor is going to fulfill that spot that Daze does in Modern because tempo plays are stronger in Modern than they are in Legacy. Thoughtseize is the FoW of Modern, Censor is going to be the Daze of of Modern in time. The control decks either counter what the next play is straight up or you cycle for free draw.

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>>54860978
>bob
>angler

>>54846945
Reposting this from a previous thread for laughs

So my wife was buying some common cards for tree fiddy and I saw some lava spikes and such in the bunch so I thought I would go around and make a burn deck. Was buying cards at local shop and found someone selling bolts, but there was something odd about the seller and then he told me he wanted tree fiddy a pop and that's when I realized THAT IT WAS THAT DAMN LOCH NESS MONSTER AGAIN. MY WIFE GOT HOSED BY TIMMY MONSTER AGAIN GODDAMMIT.

>>54860811
>>54861858

Except it keeps winning?

I've faced 3 guys today on American control and they had 4, 7, and 8, 5-0 trophies this week. I haven't beat the deck with any aggro at all, ever. If I can't win before they put down Supreme its over, and I haven't done it, even with nuts draw on affinity.

>>54862624
>anecdotal evidence

Epic

>>54862624

Sweet, now can you give the the match-up data againist all aggro decks, in all the markets that play Magic?

Oh, with draw and keep differences, of course.

>>54862724

Exactly. He's being the "Am I the only one" guy.

>>54862624

>Losing to control with aggro in modern

You have to be actually good at the game for these things to count.

>>54862724

Except statistically those guys won the equivalent of a few opens, not even counting their 4-1 finishes, and I just found out about two more dudes with 5+ trophies playing the deck. Its good, why don't you stop being an aggro cuck and join the chads of control?

>>54860370
I think it's because U/W tapout is the most boring control varrient. Most control players don't want to slam planeswalkers. d-spheres, wraths, and spreading seas on the table at sorcery speed.

>>54862762

WHOA, 3 whole people? You should send this study to a scientific journal or something.

>>54862762
>grind mtgo enough to win
>LITERALLY THE BEST DECK

Okay

Go show me the epic control list that can deal with all the spectrum of aggro, combo. You know that can reasonably beat a field of Tron, Affinity, Burn, Storm, Eldrazi, Junk, Lantern, Scapeshift, Dredge and other jank that runs around modern.

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>>54862762
>going 4-1 or 5-0 in a literally who modern league is the equivalent of winning an open

Just a real question: Is it really that hard to find a biological female to put on camera at SCG? Yesterday they had like 5 "females" but not a single one was actually born that way.

>>54856465
Is bant eldrazi fun?

>>54863495
Back to >>>/pol/ sweetie, we don't need transphobic garbage like this on /tg/.

>>54863529
That's not transphobic garbage, its an honest question. SCG is obviously trying very hard to show females on camera. I'm just wondering why the only ones females they ever pick are trans. I was at Syracuse, there are biological females that show up to these events.

>>54863495

Because the biological females that are good at the game are all working for WotC now.

>>54863646

All 3-5 of them?

>>54863529
>sweetie
you have to go back

>>54862045
>tempo plays are stronger in modern than in legacy
Nigga what?

>>54863773

Pretty sure yes and i'm specifically talking about people who have played on the Pro Tour and have high enough points. Melissa De Tora had her contract extended by Wizards and rightfully so because she is one of those few players that are good at both deckbuilding and playing. She's going to be part of the design team on some sets and also in the Future Future League testing, the new FFL not the old garbage one.

The rest like Gaby or whatnot are part of team coverage for events or are oddly enough solid players on their own and writing articles for other formats like limited or EDH or whatnot.

>>54863850

Alright let me explain it for you in a way you will understand. Modern is a format in which efficiency and tempo are much stronger than simply drawing cards as opposed to Legacy where card draw is much more valued(Brainstorm, JTMS etc.). Cards like Lingering Souls in Modern may as well say "cast Hymn to Tourach twice" against any midrange goodstuff.dec lists. It's why Ancestral Vision is weak in Modern despite the raw card drawing power of the card and Vendillion Clique is good. Casting Feed the Clan against Burn may as well be the same as casting a Hymn to Tourach and something similar to "draw 2 cards" as well. Atarka's Command and Skullcrack may as well say "counter target spell that gains life and deal X damage".

These sort of plays are significantly more impactful and stronger in Modern than anything in equivalent to Legacy which is definitely a more Brainstorm and JTMS orientated format. Cards like Path to Exile are the inverse of Daze where instead of setting yourself back a turn because you bounced your land to answer their card, you're actually accelerating your opponent by letting them get a free land for answering their card. You don't always want to do it and in some cases it's pretty bad to do it but sometimes you have to because you simply can't let them have the threat on board.

I'm working on a BR deck, why does it feel like the only value Red is actually giving me is the ability to cast K Command? And Bloodmoon in the board

>Red is so bad the strongest thing it can do is make people have red mana

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I don't think I know how to use this thing.
Keep losing against jank decks online.
I thought this played similarly to Naya Burn.
Do I actually have to use my brain to win with GDS?

Land (19)
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Flooded Strand
1x Island
4x Polluted Delta
2x Scalding Tarn
1x Steam Vents
1x Swamp
1x Verdant Catacombs
3x Watery Grave
Instant (16)
4x Fatal Push
2x Kolaghan's Command
1x Lightning Bolt
2x Stubborn Denial
1x Temur Battle Rage
2x Terminate
4x Thought Scour
Creature (16)
4x Death's Shadow
2x Gurmag Angler
4x Snapcaster Mage
4x Street Wraith
2x Tasigur, the Golden Fang
Sorcery (9)
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
3x Serum Visions
4x Thoughtseize

>>54864956
>why does it feel like the only value Red is actually giving me is the ability to cast K Command? And Bloodmoon in the board
Because Lightning Bolt is shit in Modern right now

>>54865072
Is there a single red or red/black creature that provides turn by turn value other than damage which less than tarmogoyf?

>>54865070
>naming your kid Jace
Man that's just awful

>>54864956

Faithless Looting is a red card that is great.

>>54865160
jace is a fine name

t. Jace Beleran

>>54865361
>Beleran

>>54865370
>implying its legal to have e every other letter in a name

>>54865070
>>54865160
No, Cardboard Crack is awful. You have to go back.

>>54865432

>You have to go back!

LMFAO! You're so funny anon! Upvoted! Keep memeing it real!

>>54865432
I don't like it either, to be honest. I'm just saying that naming your kid after Jace is just scummy.

>>54865498
Dont cross the street anytime soon buddy...

Burn takes GP Burmingham with no Eidolons in deck.

Bant Knightfall takes GP Sao Paulo.

UR Gifts Storm takes SCG Richmond.

>>54866564
GDS proven to be a meme once again.

>>54866564
>Burn takes GP Burmingham with no Eidolons in deck.
Was it that Mardu build that focuses on one-drop spells? Or something spicier than that?

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>>54863529

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>>54865124
Sin prodder is like a slow bob that gives your opponent a choice.

>>54866994
are you talking about the claim to fame and vexing devil meme? Is that actually worth getting?

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>>54847445
>mfw people call affinity and burn cheap
>mfw I haven't ponied up the cash to buy fetches and shocks let alone ravagers or moxes

Can't justify buying a tier deck with my lgs not having a modern night and my friends not interested in playing against them.

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>>54867123
>gives your opponent a choice
Isn't that a death sentence for almost any card?

>mono-U control (not tron)
>at modern weekly tournament
>round 1, matched against newb with naya burn
>50min swiss, timed out on game 3 on turns

I kind of lost it

>>54866994

Nah it was just Naya Burn as normal. The unusual card he had in was Shrine of Burning Rage. Pretty good card because he was content to play the long game as the counters built up and it was like a ticking clock of doom against the opponent.

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dayly meme incoming beep beep here it comes

>>54866854

I mean there were GDS decks in the top 8 but they were only 1 or 2 placings of it in most cases. GP Birmingham was from 1st to 8th: Burn, Black-Green Rock, Abzan, Counters Company, Bant Knightfall Humans, Grixis Death's Shadow, Lantern Control

GP Sao Paulo was: Bant Knightfall, Titan Shift, Grixis Death's Shadow, Tron, Grixis Death's Shadow, Abzan, Counters Company, Jeskai Control

SCG Richmond was: U/R Gifts Storm, Grixis Death's Shadow, Elves, Jeskai Control, Jeskai Control(again), Titan Shift, Eldrazi Tron, Affinity

So GDS does still perform but I think the format has adjusted itself already. I'm honestly surprised that Elves finished quite well because the first few rounds of the stream I saw some bad matchups for that deck KCI Eggs, Smallpox and even an Infect deck piloted by Tom Ross which still won turn 3 and turn 4 in a few matchups.

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>>54867451
*Notices your one drops* OwO whats this?

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>>54867451
>Karakas

>>54867499
its too late by then, there's already 3 goobers and thalia lt is coming

>>54867451

Why don't you just up to 4 Cavern of Souls?

>>54867451

Where is Return to the Ranks? Where is Thalia Guardian of Thraben?

>>54867451
you forgot your ranger or eos

>>54863529
T. "Emma" Handy

>>54860541
GDS has a rough matchup against UW. Problem is, UW gets a free loss against any Tron variety.
good land destruction never ever

>>54867242
I didn't say it was a GOOD option.

I have a feeling there will be a deck out there though that breaks it.

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>>54867242

Not entirely.

After not playing this game for three or 4 months.
I just opened mtgo, and got damn this game is boring. And that's ignoring how the fuck I could be ok with the client for so many years.
Been playing gwent.
>Lands truly are a retarded concept.
>Imagine if you instead got 1 mana first turn, 2 mana second turn, three mana third turn, etc...
All automatically, game would be a hundred times more fun and more balanced without fucking dead useless cards in hand all the time, or worse getting land fucked.

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>>54865523
>name your kid Jason
>call him Jace
Since Magic will be dead before anon gets a gf, it doesn't actually matter since little Jace will never know where his name is from.

>>54868715
How would it be balanced? Burn would actually annihilate everyone.

>>54867123
Did anyone ever try putting him in Living End?
>Card is either gas in your hand or gas in your yard
>or a land, but you can't do anything about that

>>54869355
Feels too slow. It's not like Living End is playing the long game or anything.

>>54868715
Go play hearthstone. I personally love lands.

I'm brewing a mono black vehicles deck and want to add some removal. I already maindecked 4x dismember. Is there any good addition? I don't know if i should run push without fatchlands to trigger revolt. Maybe victim of night, but BB could be too pricy. Could disfigure work?
My meta has 2 storm, 2 etron, several burn decks, several coco type decks with small creature, a reliquary knight deck, one grixis DS and one or two combo decks (unburial rites reanimator).

>>54868715
i would just play a control deck with all the answers i want on curve. Lightning bolt on 1, counter on 2/3, wrath on 4

alternatively i play a burn deck and don't have to worry about flooding

>>54867453
one of the two jeskai controlthat top8'ed the scg richmond was definitely not a control. more a tempo deck.
at the same event elves lose to GDS in the semi because of no shaman of the pack

>>54868715
git gud

>>54869016
>>54869531
Either a new format with balancing banlist.
Or a new game that's basically mtg without lands.
I love mana system and the color pie; problem is when 1/3 of the cards in your deck are, during most of the game, useless or terrible draws after round 4.

>>54869355
why? opponent will just filter all your relevant combo cards and leave you with shitty creatures in hand. Maybe for certain matchups, like it could be decent vs control maybe.

>Eldrazi Tron still struggles to make it into the top 8
>No ETron in the top 8 at GP Birmingham
>search online
>people have been bitching about turn three Karn since 2012

I don't know why I was worried, Wizards is never going to ban this deck.

>>54868539
>posts a card that isn't played in any viable deck
Athreos is bad.

>>54870445
If anything *should* be banned from the deck, it's Chalice of the Void. It removes the downside of running Tron, which is having bad aggro matchups.

Should I build Eldrazi and Taxes or Death and Taxes? Which is more fun?

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>>54863857
>The rest like Gaby or whatnot are part of team coverage for events or are oddly enough solid players

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Alright negros, I'm hopping back in to Modern after about 2 years of not touching the format. I can't take the format seriously with how WOTC handles the banlist, but that juat means I get to play fun jank! I put together my old W/B Martyr list, I dont think the format has really changed too, but I feel like Eldrazi Tron might just be an auto loss though.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/reanimartyr-3/

>>54872851
I think only Affinity and 8 Wrack have a >50% matchup against eTron these days.
Do whatever man. Don't worry about one matchup.

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>playing tron on xmage
>opponent is playing U/R control
>opponent plays a blood moon
>internal sigh
>plays madcap experiment into platinum empyrion
>what the fuck is happening.jpg
>can't beat both blood moon and empyrion so concede
>side in grafdigger's cage
>game 2
>opponent plays blood moon again, this time turn 3
>fuck
>keep going anyway
>draw grafdigger's cage
>what the hell, i'm not playing anything else anyway
>next turn he plays madcap experiment
>loses the game instantly
>go on to win the match

It was a good feeling.

>>54873014
Tron is whatever. I'm fine with having a deck that's such a bad matchup I don't even bother with sideboard hate for it. I just like picking on burn players.

>>54868715
Go back to hearthstone

>>54846945
>Playin
Fish, currently trying out Smuggler's Copter since most fish players are cumming about it. Card's good, has a lot of times they're really bad and times they are really good...so it plays like the rest of the deck. Which is good.
>hatin
Counters Company, fuck that deck. I know it's a horrible match up but stop turn 3ing me through Grafdigger's Cage.
>Building
Kiki-Chord, always wanted to build the deck, erm, well, I always wanted to build Kiki-Pod, that deck was so sweet. This is closest thing I got though.

Any cards you guys are looking for to pimp out your deck but can't find? Spanish foil lord of Atlantis is hiding from me.

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>>54873418
>Any cards you guys are looking for to pimp out your deck but can't find? Spanish foil lord of Atlantis is hiding from me.
I need a random 8th edition tron land and a random foil tron land to maximize my decks tilt factor.

>tfw too poor for modern or even standard
>Legacy NEVER EVER

End me

>>54875089
Legacy Burn minus Goblin Guide is like $150

>>54875141
just put in some raging goblins

>>54875141
Legacy burn is cheaper than modern burn. And it's more fun.

>>54875160
I would actually run flame rift or a 2cmc creature as extra protection against chalice on 1. Also raging gobins is unplayably bad.

>>54874137
Beautiful.
I'm currently running U-tron with mixmatched islands including a single Unhinged one, chronicles Tron lands, and a masterpiece Sundering Titan.

>>54875160
Why not Bombat Couriers instead? You could pop 'em after you empty your hand.

>>54875234
>goblin guide is a goblin with haste
>raging goblin is a goblin with haste

they are basically the same flavor

and flavor is important

Why do people play this game competitively anymore? Is it just that theyre too deep in investment wise and ignore all the bad because of it?
All the formats suck, Standard is a shithole that rotates too fast and is too expensive, I dont know how anyone can enjoy chasing after new cards just to stay competitive.
Modern could be good but the banlist is a joke, why is some fast mana banned but not all? Whyd cloudpost get the axe but Tron is a ok? The formats just go fast aggro because Trons endgame is unbeatable.
Legacy is insanely expensive due to (((investors))) and no one fucking plays it in paper. The formats also an unbalanced shithole where 75% of decks run 4 Brainstorms, and suffers from the same Roullette matchup problems that Modern does.
EDH isnt competitively enjoyable and is filled to the brim with autistic casuals and caustic retards amd only two archetypes are viable, Combo amd Stax Control.

>>54873326
>Been playing gwent.
Never in my life played heartstone, I don't even know how it even works at any level.

>>54876069
>stop liking what I don't like!
Here's your (You), and bonus points for making sure you include the Tron hate.

>>54869951
>>54876069
First off lands are rarely ever a problem, unless you are bad at deck building.

Second off Lands are variance which allows a catchup mechanic and is a lot better variance imo then Retarded LOLRANDOM because it's a digital game

Last, why did you post here to complain instead of making a new thread?

>>54876577
I didnt say shit about lands im not the other guy you responded to

>>54876577
Meant for
>>54868715

>>54876434
Its not stop liking what I dont like. Its a legitimate question.

>>54876577
I always ignore shitters complaining about lands. They're not understanding that resource management is one of the key aspects of magic and want to play a game where there's no risk/reward.

>>54876717
And the legitimate answer is: people happen to like something that you don't.
Sure, there are flaws with competitive magic, but that can be said about any competitive game. People play magic competitively because they enjoy playing magic and want a challenge while doing so.

>>54875089
just play xmage breh or get chinamen's proxies.

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>>54876069
Standard is a money pit, amd always will be. Modern I don't take seriously, but theres enough design space for me to brew and go 2-2 with mono white enchantments & shit and have fun.

Legacy ia huge in my area. It fires at 4 different shops within 20 miles weekly (1 is proxy so you can dick around with whayltever) and big events like 5k's happen every month. Legacy is also a solid investment, I have bought into and out of 5 different decks in the past 10 years, and every one I have sold for 10%-50% more than I paid for it.

Brainstorm really should be banned, but there is a sizeable group of players that have made shitting on Brainstorm a sort of minigame within the game. Theres even a podcast for players with that mindset with Tusktalk! Also legacy is incredibly balanced, what are you on about? Especially with Miracles gone, theres like 20 decks that can easily take a big tournament down.

Maybe you should try playing the formats before spouting your opinion on them.

>>54876925
>Hating on Miracles
Wow look at this raging faggot.

is netdecking evil?

>>54877478
No.

>>54877478
Go away Desolator.

>>54877424
How was I hating on Miracles? It was just overrepresented in the meta. It may have been ~%15 on places like MTGTop8, but in my experience I played it a hell of a lot more than 15% of the time. Some Legacy nights I would play against Miracles 3 out of 4 rounds. Most players just werent good enough to top8.

But with it gone the meta is more open. It would open up more if Brainstorm was gone, but whatever. At least it's a $.50 card, that's better than having a $100 card be in 75% of decks (not that there arent a few of those).

>>54877576
I just wish that Terminus was banned instead of Top.

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>>54877478
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>54877628
I agree. Top enabled a bunch of fun decks.

>>54877748
DDFT is dead now. Fucking DCI, man.

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Anyone else just want Eldrazi to fuck off already

>>54867774
yeah, it pisses me off because they never show or talk about the players who are actually in first / top 10 on stream. They're like "Tom Ross is 3 and 1 and Emma Handy is at 2 and 3" Like, I want to know who is actually fucking winning and what deck.

>>54878289
those two players write for SCG, of course they're going to preferential treatment

>>54873038

Congratulations, you won the special olympics.

>>54878189
me

>>54878189
Don't worry, Company decks will replace them and drive everyone into insanity.

Waiting for Company Merfolk to appear. That should be hilarious.

See it getting the ban hammer.

>>54879087
UG merfolk has existed for years anon

>>54870059
One of three things will happen every time you flip a sin prodder

1. It's a land, feels bad. You then draw your card as normal
2. It's a combo piece, sin prodder bolts them. YOU then draw your card as normal
3. It's a big fucking creature you get to draw or deal like 6 damage to their face. You then get to draw you card as normal.

Seems like decent value.

>>54879127
Yeah but not company Merfolk. Just imagine you go to burn some of them or board wipe, they play that and put in two more lords who put them out of range.

>>54876419
There is this thing in your head called a brain. It can learn things if you let it. Now get the fuck out.

Should I play Dredge or Ad Nauseam? I will play mainly on Magic Online

Wait what the fuck happened to Gemstone Caverns' price, I bought a set when it was like $2 apiece

>order some boseiju's at $14 each for my Lightning Storm deck
>they arrive
>they're all foil
Why are foil Boseiju's cheaper than regular? Or did I accidentally get a good deal?

>>54880014
>Why are foil Boseiju's cheaper than regular?
2 printings, maybe

>>54880009
People started breaking it more and more. It isn't in any top tier decks, but a lot of people have been experimenting with it, and it's not like there are a ton in circulation.

>>54879237
man UG merfolk plays green for company

>>54879219
>It's a combo piece, sin prodder bolts them. YOU then draw your card as normal
no, you got filtered out of a combo piece, that's horrible

>>54880605
Then you Yawgmoths Will it back duh

>>54880605
Are you trolling or just retarded?

That's not how probability works. You are objectively wrong.

How would pic related do in burn? Seems like a good way to get more gas, especially if you're holding onto extra lands.

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>>54881051
Fuck

>>54873014
Scapeshift/TitanShift figuratively shit on ETron
one of the reasons why we see less Etron on top8

>>54879237
I'd rather play Browbeat honestly, this is janky and begs for removal every turn.

I went with the B/R burn route and slapped in Waste not for card draw.

>>54880014
FTV printing / foiling process is shitty so they go for just as much, if not less than the regular printing from the original set.

>>54881076

It's a staple in modern Red Deck Wins.

>>54881435
>modern rdw
I didn't know this was a thing. List? Link?

>>54881390
That makes sense, it doesn't look as cool as my other foils. Same goes for the Tolaria Wests I got.

>>54880605
Just imagine that you're always drawing the card that's second from the top of your deck.

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u guys like alters?

>>54847738
Didn't they specifically say that they were only going to publish decks that were some N cards different? Obviously that's going to misrepresent the data pool.

>>54882125
Gross.

>longtime player but fairly new to modern format
>how the fuck are tron lands legal?
Holy shit this build is just the antithesis of fun
>Use to play Tinker in a kitcten table myr deck cause it meant battlesphere on turn 3
>take it out cause a turn 3 MS just wasn't fun
>realize that 3 tron lands in sequence is almost as good while giving me all the access to bullshit that is Karn, Reality and Chalice
So my question is, should any part of Tron be banned in modern? I honestly think Chalice should

Recommend me a deck /tg/. I want a break from Jund.

I tend to really like aggressive and aggro based decks. Affinity feels too technical and Burn is great but I'm tired of that too.

I'd try Zoo but it seems really bad right now.

What do you guys think about Fatal Push without fetches right now? Run victim of night or something instead, add some fetches just to trigger it, or is it good enough without any fetch?

>>54883927
>I tend to really like aggressive and aggro based decks. Affinity feels too technical and Burn is great but I'm tired of that too.
>I'd try Zoo but it seems really bad right now.
Play Humans or Death and Taxes if you want a good deck. Play Gruul Shaman tribal if you want spicy memes.

>>54883927
Sounds like Kithkin is the deck you want. Its only bad matchup is Living End!

>>54883954
DnT seems cool but may have too high of a skill ceiling for me. I want a deck I can just unwind with and slam cards down.

Humans may be what I'm looking for.

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>Playing
See pic related

>Hating
Grixis Deathshadow
It's just fucking Delver all over again

>Building
Pic related, it still needs work. Smothers really need to be Pushes just don't have Tix atm

>>54883963
Got a list?

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>>54883927
best archtype

>>54883927
Bant Spirits.

>>54870458

>Athreos is bad.

And you would be entirely wrong. I've played it in Abzan Elves against the decks bringing in non-exile based removal and it just ruins their day. Athreos also sees odd play in Abzan CoCo decks as well. You just have to watch out for Anger of the Gods really and that's it.

>>54869761

Yeah I am much more on the GB or Abzan train for Elves because of SotP but at least GW has another avenue to win that is outside of Ezuri/Mirror Entity traditionally.

>>54884419
>>54883963
>>54883954

Currently trying the G/W CoCo list from Todd Anderson. I'm listing it a lot. The synergy is insane.

>>54860951
I could potentially see it happening if Batterskull was banned.

>>54884749
Batterskull on T3 isn't even good compared to a Karn on the same turn.
Wizards are fucking retarded.

>>54867451

Where are your timely reinforcements

>>54867451
Replace Student of Warfare with Thraben Inspector, Replace that Karakas with Cavern, add in Thalia instead of the Dragon Hunters, and stop posting your shitty bait.

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>Jace the Mind Sculptor won't be unbanned on the 28th
>but you'll still be able to play turn 3 Karn

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>>54882125

>>54882125
Alters always look cringey to me

I don't get the appeal. The base look of most magic cards looks great to me

>>54884854

SFM is good, but it wouldn't break anything. Would she slot into any decks that play white? Yes you could, but that doesn't merrit a ban, because control and aggro and midrange will use her for different purposes and in different numbers. She is really vulnerable to anything, and just using her to tutor for a batterskull or sword before she gets pushed is not backbreaking.

Also make a 3 mana Sowing Salts type card please.

Can someone suggest me a second deck to play?

I currently play Grixis Control, but would really like to try and brew a new deck or start with a tier 3-4 deck and try to hone my play with it.

I know in the meta grixis is kind of in that tier, but basically I'm looking to play something that's a little off the beaten path that's fun and maybe could become more competitive with tweaking

>>54886219
Gonna shill my jank again. It's certainly off the beaten path, and I think it's fun as shit.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/reanimartyr-3/

>>54886382
Ooooh I like this, I might try to build it thanks for the suggestion.

Have you liked your results with it so far?

Also, are the snow covered lands just for the memes?

>>54886219
WhirThopterSword

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>>54886544
It can be meta dependant, but I have had a pretty good record with it. Ended up going home with 5 boxes of Khans of Tarkir after smashing side events at GP San Jose. Sitting down for the final round of a big tournament and having your opponent drop suspend a Rift Bolt turn 1 is an amazing feeling.

I haven't played in any big Modern events recently, but the deck definitly has game.

And I play the snow co ered lands because look at this goddamn art. Purple plains are best plains.

>>54885138
Why can't you beat a turn 3 Karn, anon?

>>54886670
Yeah those plains are sexy af.

What would you say your strong matchups are?

I'm so sick of getting shit on by Bant Eldrazi haha

>>54885138
>nigga can't find an oblivion ring

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>>54882125
Usually when I want to make my deck prettier, I try to paint some basic lands, but I'm not very good at it (in no way an artist).
This one is the only I consider decent.

>>54886778
Lots of good matchups. Burn/UR /zoo decks obviously. But stuff like Jeskai control is pretty good, because they drag the game out long enough for Emeria and Proc to be online, and those can't be countered. Then you can just gain 42 life a turn and let them deck themselves. Some combo can be iffy, most of my sideboard is storm hate. I've won a few games against coco combo decks because unless they can redcap you, even with infinite life Mistveil Plains means they will deck before you do. Clock management can be an issue though. Traditional Tron is a bit of a fisting, but a t1 Serra Ascendant into t2 Martyr to to 30 wins you a lot of games. I don't recall ever actually playing against Bant Eldrazi. A mono white version just too 32'd last weekend open, and he went 9-0 day 1 I believe.

Long thread on the deck at http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/582574-martyrproc-a-modern-control-deck-updated

Most people run mono white, I like Orzhov because Orzhove Charm is such a toolbox. Instant speed reanimation for either a Martyr or Ascendant for 2 is great. And Vizkopa Guildmage lets me weaponize my lifegain, and gets around stuff like Ensaring Bridge. Giving a Death's Shadow lifegain before chump blocking with a Squawk is pretty fun too.

You can splash any color though, green for Renegade Rallier sounds fun.

>>54887086
Thanks for the heads up, I might look into the gw version. Rallier does i red seems like insane value

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>Fact: Planeswalkers were a mistake

>>54887306
Not him, but if you play GW Proc you should run Glittering Wish, too. Here's my current list:
Creatures: 21
4 Martyr of Sands
3 Thraben Inspector
2 Serra Ascendant
4 Squadron Hawk
4 Renegade Rallier
4 Ranger of Eos

Other Spells: 15
4 Path to Exile
4 Glittering Wish
3 Proclamation of Rebirth
3 Supreme Verdict
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion

Lands: 24
4 Windswept Heath
4 Flooded Strand
1 Misty Rainforest
3 Hallowed Fountain
3 Temple Garden
1 Breeding Pool
2 Plains
1 Forest
1 Island
2 Mistveil Plains
2 Emeria, the Sky Ruin

Sideboard: 15
1 Hex Parasite
2 Negate
2 Celestial Purge
2 Krosan Grip
1 Wheel of Sun and Moon
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Geist of Saint Traft
1 Detention Sphere
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Ephara, God of the Polis
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons

>>54886219
Kiki-chord

>>54860492
>Bloodbraid Elf
This garbage was banned?

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>this was the best card printed in the last 3 years
yikes

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>>54889275
>what is fatal push

>>54889403
A shittier Path.

>>54889490
Have you seen the metagame within the past 6 months? It's definitely not Thraben Inspector being played in every on-color deck under the sun.

Are there any good modern podcasts around?

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Old Myr

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>>54890319
New myr

>>54846945
Whats a card i could swap out with goblin guid if i wanted to make a RDW budget deck? could mogg fanatic work?

>>54890420
No, he sucks. I kind of like Stromkirk Noble and Reckless Waif.

>>54890455
ok, will note.

ball lighting any good?

>>54890420
goblin guide is good because he comes down with haste, look for something else with haste ideally.

>>54890501
Ball Lightning is pretty bad because it's 3 mana. It's only worthwhile if you really want to try to win through Chalices.

>>54890559
ok, monstary swiftspear is coming on to stay.

>>54890579
i considered him for a backup drop, ideally as a two of.

could i use satyr firedancer? it could be useful agenst more creature based decks. and he's a two drop also

Plz post link/decklist for modern rdw

>>54890689
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-burn-34574#paper

enjoy.

>>54886846
You never get the mana online vs Prince of Stone Rains.

>>54890706
>slightly modified burn counts as rdw
I got got, didn't i?

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>>54890611
>>54890579
>>54890559
>>54890455
>>54890501
What i have in the picture is what i have so far. any help/ideas?

>>54890818
Bomat courier?

>>54890858
What makes him good?

>>54890889
>>54890858
ah, ok, just looked him up. should he be a two of or four of?

>>54890889
Idk man haste and the abilty to refill your hand seems pretty ok to me.

>>54890919
I say 4

>>54890920
>>54890919
get the idea, should he be a two of or four of?

>>54890938
I'd say 2-3 since it's good in your starting hand, but you don't really want to double up on them.

>>54890977
any noteable red burn spells?
also is saytr firedancer and spark elemental good?

>>54891010
*besides the listed ones.

>>54891010
Throw in 3x thunderous wrath for a fukcing giggel

>>54891010
Spark elemental is rad.
Firedancer is really situational, maybe more of a sb card.

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how do I make this better? I still want to stick to the theme of giving opponents cards

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-grixis-presents/

>>54891072
Seconding Spark Elemental over Satyr Firedancer. The unearth is really useful especially against a Liliana or something.

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>>54846945
This list any better?
i can get rid of the lighting axes in favor of somthing better.

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Would it be possible to make this work in a B/W enchantment/prison deck? Some Ghostly Prisons and Greater Auramancies to keep things slow, an excellent discard and removal package, and Tree of Perdition to help seal the deal?

>>54891342
I would get rid of both dual castings in favor of lava spikes, although dual casting a thunderous wrath would probably get me rock hard.

>>54890420
Vexing devil

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On game days, if I win 3 Hour boosters playing Draft my LGS lets me trade in 3 for one booster of Modern Masters, either 2015 Modern Masters or 2017 Modern Masters. Which one is better value to take?

>>54892747
Probably MM17 just because of fetch lands at rare.

>>54892747
mm17 for snappy

>>54892747
MM15 was a value shitpit, while MM17 is ok.

>>54892747
2017 is way better.

>>54890341
>T H I C C Myr

>>54892747
Fuck... My LGS has so many HoD left that they wont acept any changes for other product. I have like 20 boosters laying around unopen in case I go draft, which I know ill never do because límited sucks...

>>54893336
>bunch of people at my locals have $1000 modern decks
>they decide to draft one time
>they suck

talk about being coddled by your deck

>>54893652
People who don't draft are bad at draft? I'm shocked.