EDH/Commander General

Post your best mana stone card

Which wincon do you find least annoying/bullshit?

Lab Manaic + Demonic Consultation

Big Debt to the Deathless

Mindslaver + Academy Ruins

Blightsteel Colossus

You're locked and have to watch a commander hit you for 2 over and over until it's over or you scoop

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>>54826116

>>54826098
I think it's finally time to nut up and buy some Snapcasters.

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>>54826098
>What does your precon upgrade cart look like?
It looks like a custom deck that I built for myself. Because the precons are shit.

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how do you build this in a not degenerate combo way? like, actually using her second ability to finish the game or through beatdown

>>54826147
>I activate my Hermit Druid

that one, or

>taking a 10 minute turn
>Aetherflux Reservoir
>taking another 15 mins
>you are all dead

>>54826147
Debt to the Deathless. If you get up to that much mana it's because the game has gone on for a while, and it ends the game instantly if not answered. Locks are boring, Labman was a mistake, and you have to play out Mindslaver and Colossus

>>54826185
No man, choose from the list.

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These precons are fucking awful. Are they the worst ones yet?

>>54826173
Token Generation + Conspiricy

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These are all the new mythic legends. How would you rank them from best to worst? Or favorite to least favorite. Whatever you want.

>>54826191
Fuck off, those are all fine, or at least quick an painless.

>>54826173

Illusionist's bracers will help. Then you just need ways to untap your wizards. paradox engine, dramatic reversal, turnabout, etc.

maybe supreme inquisitor back up plan?

>>54826190
I was using that these days for that very reason.

>>54826197
>Are they worse than out of the box Prossh or Blaxos.
No.

>>54826221

Least favorite is Mirri or maybe Arahbo. Most favorite is definitely Marisil. Inalla probably comes after that and then the Ur-Dragon, and the rest are in just whatever order.

>>54826222
That's true, better than waiting to die slowly.

I feel like the cats can get a direct upgrade and simply become mono white.

>>54826221
As much as I love my cat, leonin and cat creatures in MTG are really, really gay. Aside from the two cats from Innistrad.

>>54826197
As a whole, probably. There were worse ones like Kalemne, but this year's ones are pretty consistant in their shittyness.

>>54826173
Just build a deck around value then. Trying to get the most value from your wizards and tokens with stuff that copies them like artifacts and clones. Sundial of the Infinite can basically make your tokens permanent, so that should be an auto-include.

>Doesn't reprint the 16 dollars and climbing Kokusho
>Doesn't reprint the 10 dollars and climbing Balefire Dragon
>reprints the 1.5 dollar Ryusei
DAMN YOU WIZARDS

>>54826221
>Favorite
Mairsil
Edgar
Nazahn
Kess
Arahbo
Mathas
Mirri
Ur-Dragon
Licia
Inala
O-Kagachi
>Least Favorite

>>54826221
Fun/Would build
>Mairsil
>Mathas
>Wasitora (Not Mythic I know but it's still new)

Mite b cool to try out
>Ur-Dragon
>Inalla
>Kess

I hold no strong feeling towards any of these
>Edgar Markov
>Licia
>Any of the Cats

Dropped the fuckin ball
>O-Kagachi

>>54826221
I like Kess, Mairsil. Mirri is fine as a card, probably not as a general or even EDH card though. Ur-Dragon is big and dumb so, Dragon tribal timmies would like him I guess.

The rest is shit.

They confirmed Kess is from Grixis, as an aside. Wizards seems to be setting something up for the eventual return to Alara, because now every shard but Naya has a relevant legend on some quest to achieve power over the plane.

>>54826288
i'm glad they didn't because i bought both of those at their big prices haha

>>54826254
>upgrade to mono white
That's an oxymoron.

>>54826197
Beyond the mana for the 5 color, and wizards being intentionally gimped, none of them are particularly horrible.
All the face cards are interesting and have somewhat varied abilities, there are a few valuable cards in each, and all of them look like they might be interesting to play.

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>>54826221
I really want to build Licia_lifelink.dec

>>54826221
All the Wizards will see play, ranging from cEDH to the jankiest shit you've ever seen.

Ur-Dragon is a Timmy's wet dream, will see it's share of boards.
O-Kagachi can finally fill in for the spirit tribal commander without being a Land enchanment or a wrath on a stick.

All the Mardu commanders are interesting and open up a lot of new deck options for the colors since both Kaalia and Zurgo are about as straightforward as deckbuilding gets.

All the cats are very strong and can even be run in someone's 99.

>>54826221
For Mathas what exactly does the "Each Opponent mean"?
Each opponent to the guy who controls the creature?

>>54826327

green doesn't do shit for the deck though

>>54826221
Nazahn is pretty cool. I just wish he was Naya, so I could use him as a commander with the RW Spellhammer.

I also like how Mathas has an inherent politics game embedded. And the idea of having custom-made Bounty Counters sounds pretty cool.

>>54826315
Who are the others?

>>54826197

>Cant wait to play tier
Arahbo
Edgar
Inalla
Mairsil

>looks neat tier
Mirri
Ur-dragon
Kess

>Not my cup of tea tier
mathas
Nazahn

>What were they thinking tier
Licia
O-kagachi

>>54826359
Yes.

I like the "everyone but the person you are targeting gets something."
It seems like a solid boros mechanic, I hope that it gives them some viability.

Y'all ever mix cycles of lands? Like running just 5 manlands and 5 taplands since they both are tap color fixers with okay effects?

Or maybe 5 shocks and 5 pains?

>>54826359
Yes.
That becomes text on the creature, therefore the opponents of it's controller would gain/draw.

>>54826288
Fuck kokusho.

>>54826393
>5 manlands and 5 taplands

found the Wizards employee

>>54826352
>Archangel of Thune
Oh yeah, I remember that I wanted one, but it was too expensive for a card that I just thought it was cool, I wonder how much it is now.
>still as expensive as when it came out
Fuck, is there any format that she is good in?

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>>54826221
Personal Johnny rating

>interesting
Mairsil
Inalla
>boring but might play due powerlevel and openness
Kess
Ur-Dragon
Nazahn
>dudes turning sideways
Arahbo
Edgar
Licia
Mirri
O-Kagachi
>unbreakable
Mathas

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>>54826432
>unbreakable

>>54826417
Shit. I meant scrylands.

10 tap lands, mix and match.

>>54826452
They did clarify that only bounty counters from Mathas give the ability, but it is a nice little ability.

>>54826452
Only works to kill ones Math has marked, the other ones don't have the triggered ability.

He's fun theme and politics, but not much as a Mechanical Johnny General.

>>54826455
I don't think you got the point, playing more than 2 taplands if any is completely retarded, I'm not even talking cEDH, just at any level.

>>54826470
You're probably not tapping Bounty Hunter to put counters on things 90% of the time.

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>>54826221

you forgot one

What are some good artifact recursion cards in 5c that can fill other purposes? I only need to bring back a specific artifact (Door to Nothingness) so it won't be relevant very often. Academy Ruins and Buried Ruin come to mind.

>>54826197
If you count them as a whole, yes. C17 is a very disappointing set. And it's not like that they don't know what they could have done to make it better.

They could have literally put in a couple good reprint cards in each precon, and it would make all of them much better.

>>54826470
I think he meant, Mathas puts the counters, and then the hunter kills them.

>>54826504
.....shit

But you are the first to notice so I guess people don't care about him.

>>54826478
He's a good draw engine that lets you run more single target removal without choking yourself.
That means you'll need to run some major bombs in the deck for an actual wincon though.

>>54826524
I think it's nice for 5c goodstuff but those type of decks usually end up pretty dull and unintresting

>>54826524
cEDH spikes are salivating over him.

>>54826492
I genuinely can't believe that is true.

I get not running karoos or vivids, but I don't buy that casual decks need ten duals, shocks, Filters, fetches and pains.

Especially solid ones like the new cyclers, manlands and temples.

There are certainly worse things that casual players do when it comes to their decks.

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Post 'em

>>54826098
Take my ass kicking scion deck and basically tweak it a bit. Use the ur-dragon for casual but use my scion manager to pump it up. Basically it. Add some more flavor. Dragon walkers , the ur pieces, form of the dragon etc.

>>54826524
>Mana Rock: the commander
He's somewhat interesting but already been talked to death.

>>54826539
The more colors in your deck the more diluted the theme is since you're now open to nearly every option in the game.
It's hard to not just build goodstuff at that point.

>If Mairsil has an equip ability, activating it won't cause anything to happen. Mairsil doesn't become attached to a creature. They may remain friends.
What the fuck.

>>54826221
>Inalla
>Mathas
>Nazahn
>Mairsil
>Licia
>Arahbo
>Ur-Dragon
>Mirri
>Kess
>O-Kagachi

Sorted from "most interesting" to "least interesting".

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>>54826504
Into the interesting pile: >>54826432
Lots of artifact matters and +1/+1 counters matters potential.

>>54826564
Creatures can't be attached to other creatures.

>most lands ETB tapped in the new decks

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>>54826550

Who else /orderedalldecksfornorealreason/ here?

I have no idea what to do with all but the Wizard one and was already planning to build Grishark once he releases anyway.
Think it'll be possible to turn the Cat core into Dinosaurs after adding red?

>>54826547
Not duals, shocks and fetches. Islands, Mountains and Forests.

>>54826570
>someone who actually gets it
I like you.
The more I think about it, though, the lower Mathas gets. He's a neat card and all but does fuckall on his lonesome, requires a packed table if you really want to see his potential.

>>54826594
I always buy all the sealed product. There's enough fun janky cards that stores don't usually store singles of.

>>54826587
>Titania and Shirei
Good taste anon. How did you build Kazuul? Repercussion and War's Toll type cards?

>>54826547
If someone left that 20 taplands in their vampire deck, it would be strictly worse than replacing some of them with basics, or 1$ alternatives.

>>54826587
Is Sram supposed to look like a monkey and if so, racist?

>>54826594
It comes with some good GW cards so i think you could use it as a decent base for dinosaurs if you scrap all the cats in it

>>54826587
I'm converting my Mishra to Mairsil, how about you?

>>54826540
>cedh

>>54826604
I like Mathas mostly because he's another sweet politics card for Marchesa decks or an alternate politics Commander for that same deck.

>>54826575
I mean the "they can remain friends," part.

>>54826492
You're that "use basics instead of taplands" guy from the other day.

How's that been working out?

>>54826221
I really hate the art-direction this year.

>>54826621
Sram's a dwarf. It's Rashmi who looks like a monkey.

>>54826645
I like the designs and the poses, but the backgrounds are all so dull.

>>54826639
Nope, sorry.

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>>54826564
Is there some way to turn Mairsil into a noncreature artifact with it's textbox intact?

If so, say you had Bludgeon Brawl on the field and an equipment caged. Would Mairsil, the now noncreature artifact, have two equip abilities: one of the caged equipment and the other provided by Bludgeon Brawl.

If so, would both of those equip abilities be functional?

>>54826645
I really like Edgar and Kess. O-K's art is as bad as he is.

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So just to confirm: If another cat is equipped with a Sword of Feast and Famine, his eminence can't target the cat but the second ability can still work right?

>>54826645
I really like Edgar and Kess. O-K's art is as bad as he is.

>>54826624
Yeah, most likely. Once Mairsil becomes available there's literally no reason not to play her over Mishra, even if I keep the deck exactly the same. She's a 4/4 for 4, same as Mishra, just with better upside. Maybe if I owned a Nether Void things would be different.

>>54826648
Yeah. I know it's hard to paint Indians in a good looking light but this is just blatant

>>54826602
I get color screwed in five color more often than I get screwed by playing a turn behind. I get that that might be different in cEDH, but the risk of Back to Basics and Ruination didn't stop me from running just ten basics.

You can just use cultivate and rampant growth for fixing, but then your Green portion will be mostly ramp, which eats up slots for more fun green cards if you want to keep the color balance even.

>>54826620
For sure. I'm not arguing for the level WOTC did, but I don't think the argument that the number of taplands for every deck is max 2 is wrong.

>>54826645
It's almost like they designed these cards to be foiled or something!

>>54826678
Just use a licid.

>>54826619
Combat control-- force my opponent to attack with their creatures while denying or constraining their mana with war's toll, ruination, etc.

>>54826594
I'll probably build Mairsil, also preordered vamps and dragons for collection purposes. Don't care about cats tho.

>>54826680
>his eminence can't target the cat
Which part of the eminence ability would target the cat? RTFC

>>54826633
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=129803
>This card is a bit weird.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=1571
>It must flip like a coin and not like a Frisbee.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=382298
>That was very generous of you.

>http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=1493
>The artist is actually Justin Hampton.

>>54826730
>another target cat gets +3/+3 until end of turn

RTFC

>>54826680
Not sure about the first part since he's not in play during the trigger so maybe it doesn't register as a colored source.

Second part doesn't target so it works.

>>54826730
The part that says "another target cat".

>>54826730
The part that says "another target Cat", you mong.

>>54826730
>which part of his eminence would target the cat
>another target Cat you control gets +3/+3 until end of turn
>another TARGET CAT
Christ anon. Try getting some comprehension before acting like an ass.

>>54826687
Mairsil's a guy.

>>54826730

>another TARGET cat

>>54826730
The part where it says "target" followed shortly by "Cat"

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>>54826743
>>54826744
>>54826755
>>54826762
>>54826767
>>54826768

>tfw no minotaur commander

>>54826781
>who is Neheb

>>54826781
There's a minotaur commander or two.
Just no good minotaur cards to go along with it.

>>54826792
I feel the dudes pain. It still bothers me that it was Wizards, not Rogues.

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>>54826772

>>54826763

no xhe's trans. :^)

>>54826808
Is >>54826772 you too?

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>>54826098
I was hoping I'd be set to not buy any of it, but I'll be getting blood forged battle axe and Nawhatever's hammer for my Hope of Ghirapur Voltron

>>54826197
Could be worse. Commander cards made for commander are a cancer I begrudgingly partake in, but would prefer to see as little of as possible, so new cards not being crazy good is good in my book. As far as reprints in-product go: meh.

>>54826550
Not shown: a newly made mill deck, helmet by erebos.

>>54826802
They only added like 5 creatures of each type. There aren't enough good rogues for it to work.

>>54826695
I wasn't talking about 5 color, but if you have a choice don't include so many. If you like whole cycles, go with painlands + checklands + shocklands .

>>54826803
Was about to post this too

>>54826808
>fuck, i got something wrong
>what does 4chan hate?
>trannies!
>i'm so smart

>>54826822
I would go with Shocklands+Battlelands+Checklands+10 basics and the rest utility and 5c lands

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>>54826164

> buying specific cards
> not buying all cards, all first editions

What a phag™.

>>54826849
>4chan
>hating traps
Anon...

>mfw want the dragon deck but i feel like i would be stepping on my friend's territory with his gruul deck full of dragons and hydras

>>54826872
>first editions

Fuck off, my Yugi-man.

>>54826098
>What does your precon upgrade cart look like?
I just buying Vampires and have a 100% Marchesa, also already have Nirkana Revenant and Bloodghast. So I think they only expensive card left for me to buy is Kalitas.

>>54826879
trannies are not traps

>>54826880
Step on his face. It's Stomping Grounds, not gay sex land.

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>putting an Apprentice Necromancer under Mairsil

>>54826924
Stop. You aren't funny.

>>54826221

Favorite
>Mairsil
>Mathas
>Kess
>Mirri
>Inalla
>O-Kagachi (I know he sucks but I still like him)
>Ur-Dragon
>Edgar
>Nazahn
>Arahbo
>Licia
Least Favorite

The cutoff between "At least OK with" and "Dislike" is between Edgar and Nazahn. It;s also a pretty big gap.

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>>54826937
I think I'll just build Mairsil smug tribal.

>>54826147
>You're locked and have to watch a commander hit you for 2 over and over until it's over or you scoop
What's that, Sapling + Worldslayer?

>>54826880
Do it

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>>54826147
Helm of Obedience + Rest in Peace = best combo

>>54826737
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=430665
>Now you have learned.

>The Virgin Timmy Player
>Only picks unpopular commanders
>Thinks Boros and Rakdos are top tier
>Thinks Mardu is best wedge
>Thinks Command Tower and Sol Ring should be land
>Cries about land destruction
>Thinks infinite combos should be banned
>Thinks mana ramp should be banned
>Turns sideways to win
>Has an infect deck and would commit suicide if infect rules were changed to 20 in EDH
>Has shit cards from working McDonalds

>The Chad Combo Player
>Plays to Win
>Has money from well paying job so he has a full set or Revised Dual Lands but doesn't buy Beta or Unlimited since they're a waste of money because he's financially responsible
>Uses the best tutors in the game to search up his two card infinite combo
>Knows the superiority of U/G/X
>Realizes speed is the name of the game in a format with a huge cardpool so ramp is necessary
>Uses Kiki-Jiki with Acidic Slime and Doubling Season to kneecap opponents mana

>Only 5 non-legendary new vampires in Vampire Tribal.dck
>Only 4 rare/mythic vampires in Ixalan
>Only 2 vampires in Kaladesh and 0 in Amonkhet despite vampires being big in hindu mythology and existing in egyptian mythology
Weren't vampires meant to be the new black characteristic tribe? The Modern vampire tribal deck is literally ZEN Standard creatures only, meanwhile merfolk, zombies, gobbos and elves keep getting new eternal-playable cards every couple years.

>>54827149
Are these going to get funny at some point?

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It's really too bad linked abilities don't work in ridiculous ways with Mairsil.

>>54827035
I was thinking of making this exact deck when I saw the new curse cards and their punchable hipster faces.

Problem is, it's really hard to search for cards. I get to like the 15 or so I can think of off the top of my head and then have nowhere to look.

Do we already know all the rares from Ixalian or just a part from the leaks?
Was thinking of buying the Vamp precon and improving it with prerelease cards, but I don't knowif it's worth it

>>54827345
I dunno if we've seen all of them, but the only remarkable Vampire was that crappy psuedo-Sun Titan.

>>54827377
The legendary one seemed cool too.

Okay. Myr Welder and Death Mask Duplicant have Imprint - _: Exile target creature/artifact from your graveyard.
If I do that with Mairsil, and also have a caged, let's say Mimic Vat, would the card I did that too be considered Imprinted for the copied Vat?

What is the best way to build Boros?

>>54827474
You start by selecting a third color.

>>54827474
Wheels. So many wheels.

>>54827474
MLDs and Wraths.

Constant.

Implacable.

Everything blows up, every turn if possible. Pick an indestructible commander, I feel like there should be one. True, better as Zurgo, but you can do it in Boros

>>54827539
Anything else?

>>54827460
No. Imprint abilities are Linked abilities. They can only affect cards exiled with the other half of the linked ability. A caged Mimic Vat is literally useless.

It's done this way because otherwise you'd have some really weird interactions between, say, having a Mirage Mirror become Mimic Vat, imprinting a creature, and then becoming Isochron Scepter.

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>>54827460
No fucking clue what you're trying to say but the answer probably is no. Linked abilities fgsfdsj.

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>>54827539
Well this is the only wheel I have at the moment.

>>54827412
There's two legendary vampires, a monowhite vampire cleric and a BW vampire knight.

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>>54827474

MLD, Wraths, Enchantments, Indestructible, Tax, Protection from Enemy colors. Sun Forger and Isocron Scepter.

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Packed this guy lads
Can I fork him into a queen marchesa or what do

>>54827626
sell him before he gets banned

>>54827616
Why can't Olivia be this cute in her actual card art?

>>54827626
Build a Liliana Heretical Healer with him and Kothophed for flavour points.

>>54827593
>BW vampire knight.
What does it do? The only Ixalan vampires I've seen are the token-creating one and the Sun Titan-lite one

What the consensus on Gwafa Hazid? I'm thinking on building him but I'm on the fence...

>>54827582
That's a decent joke, anon.
You should feel good, you got a chuckle out of me.

>>54827665
>flavour deck
tempting but I have no shekels

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>>54827665
Don't forget Griselbrand. Kek.

Also inb4 they're gonna blow it and make the last guy multicolor or something. Actually they already blew it with Kothophed. He blows, doesn't convey the same vibe and powerlevel that Grissledizzle and Razzledazzle do.

>>54827688
Vigilance, lifelink
T, Pay 1/7 life: Destroy target nonland permanent. Activate this ability only during your turn.
2/2
It's either 3BW or 5BW. Hoping for 5cmc.

>>54827699
seems like fun, are you feeling political?

>>54827688
Token-creating one?

Might need an anointed procession for Edgar.

>>54826744
It registers as a coloured source.

>>54826680
Yes. You are correct.

>>54827699

I don't like him at all. Drawing a card outweighs having something be unable to attack usually

>>54826504
Holy shit, did they finally release a way to make Coalition Victory viable?

>>54827838
2W
2/2
Legendary Creature - Vampire Cleric
Whenever one or more nontoken Vampires you control attack, create a 1/1 white Vampire creaure token with lifelink.

>>54827929
Oh, thanks. I couldn't make out the bottom of the text box on that one.

>>54827543
There's Tajic.

>>54827924
They'd have to make it unbanned first.

Bad precons. Half the lands in the 2-color cat deck come into play tapped. What idiot put these lists together?

>>54826221
Marthas and Licia

>>54827929

This guy is not amazing but also not bad

In cube or standard that is

He's gonna be shit in edh

>>54828003
>Half the lands in the [commander precon] deck come into play tapped.
Gee. They usually leave the expensive mana base up to you.

>>54827749
what do you think of my card selecton inm that pic, anon?

>>54828074
What I'm saying is, all basics would be better than what they put together. It's a slow manabase to support 2 colors, which is just stupid.

What are some good blink effects in white?

>>54828091
>White bordered Armageddon
Personally, I'm disgusted.

>>54828130
It's probably because they have Jedit and Jareth in the same deck.

>>54828138

Eerie interlude and ghostway
Acrobatic maneuver
Cloudshift
Flickerwisp
Restoration Angel
Wispweaver angel
Felidar guardian
Flickerform
Parallax wave sorta

>>54828003
A good portion of those have some actual utility, like cycling or animation. The dragon one is the real problem. Fucking VIVID lands, seriously?

I have 15 mana rocks in the mana base of my deck:
Everflowing Chalice
Sol Ring
Wafarer's Bauble
Boros Signet
Mind Stone
Thought Vessel
Star Compass
Fellwar Stone
Coldsteel Heart
Fire Diamond
Marble Diamond
Boros Cluestone
Boros Keyrune
Darksteel Ingot
Commander's Sphere

How many lands would you reccomend?

>>54828209
And you can run Conjurer's Closet too if you just want the etb/ltb triggers.

>>54828250
The worst part is this would have been the perfect time to include Reflecting Pool and they didn't even bother.

>>54828250

Vivid lands are good in 5 color decks, relative to the other taplands I mean

The real slap in the face is vivid land in the cats deck, like wtf

>>54828259
32~33?

>>54828264

One interesting option is tawnos's coffin, which can work like a flicker spell of sorts

>>54827808
It's just something I'm not used to play and it seems like a fun/weird thing to try, but I'm looking for opinions on him.

>>54828259

33 probably

>>54828259
32-34

>>54828279
>>54828326
>>54828344
seems a little low to me. I just want to be sure I can ramp up like everyone else at the table can.

Why they're pushing so many female generals last few years?

>>54828259
Kalemne?

>>54828401

You don't want to flood either. No fun to ramp super hard and then topdeck a string of lands. Especially in RW with not that much card draw

Some of your rocks aren't really rocks though, I'd consider cutting the ones that just fetch lands and go to 34 lands

>>54828439
Right now it's Aurelia. I'm just not sure what kind of strategy I'm gonna hone in on.

>>54828259
Swap Cluestone and Keyrune for Pearl Medallion and Ruby Medallion.

Maybe a Fractured Powerstone too.

>>54828433

Making up for thousands of years of patriarchal oppression

>>54828433
>last few years
k

>>54828490

You mean worn powerstone?

Also don't see how pearl medallion and ruby medallion would be better in an artifact heavy 2 color deck than keyrune or cluestone

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Sorry for low effort, wanted to make the shitpost.

Quick question. Can I cast a creature with landfall before playing a land for my turn?

>>54828556

Of course, that's the best way to do it. You can play a land any time you could cast a sorcery

>>54828556
Yeah!

>>54828556
Explain your thoughts anon.

>>54828556
Only if you have the mana to cast the creature beforehand! Sometimes you have to play the land in order to have enough mana for the creature.

>>54828577
I wasn't sure if lands had to be played before spells. It's something I've never asked about in person because I didn't want to look dumb. :(

>>54828433
2017
>3 Males: Edgar, Ur-Dragon, Abraho
>1 Female: Inalla
2016
>2 Males: Yidris, K & T
>3 Females: Atraxa, Breya, Saskia
2015
>2 Males: Daxos, Ezuri
>3 Females: Mizzix, Meren, Kalemne

It's literally exactly equal.

>>54828627
Explains why so little people cast their top-deck tutors on their upkeep...

>>54828627
But what about playing a land would make you think you have to do so before you can cast spells?

>>54826221
>Top Tier
Kess
Mirri
Ramos
>Good Tier
Mairsil
Mathas
Inalla
Edgar
>Meh Tier
The Ur-Dragon
Licia
Arahbo
>Wish green had equipment interaction tier
Nazahn

Question: How many turns do your games usually last?

>>54828657
2016
>4 Gays: Kynaios/Tiro, Silas, Ravos
>10 Females: Kydele, Saskia, Tymna, Tana, Atraxa, Ikra, Reyhan, Ishai, Breya, Akiri,
>7 Men: Bruse, Thrasios, Ludeivc, Kraum, Yidris, Vial Smasher, Sidar.

>>54828743
Somewhere between 9 and 15.

Just bought the gaymen deck since it was on clearance. I want to make a gay theme deck, any suggestions? Also does anyone make good quality rainbow sleeves? What is a good gay themed deck box?

>>54828743
>>54828755
uh, does 1 turn mean everyone has gone once or each person is a new turn

>>54828753
Well if you're going to cheat by separating out the homos, I'm going to say Reyhan, Tana, and Saskia are lesbs.

There.
Equal.

>>54828762
Oh shit, if you want to do it start a youtube channel and contact WotC, also make a reddit post. You could promote yourself, for literally doing nothing.

>>54828753
We Wuz Kangs gays counts as one.

>>54828774
Usually people mean a full round of turns.
So all the way around the table.

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>>54828762
Obvious auto-include.

>>54828762
People like you are the reason why people run competitive EDH decks that kill on turn 3.

>>54828762
Where do you live?

>>54828782
>>54828782
I really liked Lovisa, back when she came out during Coldsnap.

I can't stand either of the "lesbs".

Flavor wise speaking.

>>54828782
>I'm going to say Reyhan, Tana, and Saskia are lesbs.


What are you basing that on though?

>>54828842
Same basis as what you based Silas and Ramos on.

They look kinda faggy.

>>54828433
>unironically hating on waifus

>>54828441
>>54828490
Now, with all of these mana rock, I plan to gain tempo by having them out when I play MLD.
Armageddon
Cataclysm
Global Ruin
Catastrophe
Razia's Purification
Decree of Annihilation

is this enough of there effects, or do I need to add more/cut a few out?

>>54828864
Wasn't me, I was just asking.

Although Ramos is a gay dude name and he has a huge thing sticking in his ass.

>>54828753
Isn't Vial Smasher a female?

>>54828912
forgot Boom // Bust aswell

>>54828925
And Saskia has the biceps of a Russian deadlifting champion.

QED, mutual assured gayness brings things back in check.

>>54828965
yeah, they reveal this in one of the stories in DTK

>>54828912
Razia's Purification and Cataclysm will also get rid of all your rocks too, so I wouldn't recommend them unless you're going with a vontron commander.
Global Ruin is a bit of a meta call. It's not as good against 4+ color decks with lots of basics.

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I want to make Mairsil combo/voltron, what are the must haves? Anyone working on a similar list?
>>54826817
>Hope of Ghirapur Voltron
Have a link?

>>54828782
It's obvious you're a female by the way you write.

>>54829006
hat would you replace those two with?
I'd get Ravages of War if I had the money,

>>54826221
>Favorite
Arahbo=Edgar=Inalla
Mairsil
Kess
Licia
Mirri
Ur
Nazahn
Mathas
O-Kagachi
>Least Favorite

>>54829030
You're objectively wrong and objectively a fag.

>>54829006
Also, I run Ghostway, Eerie Interulde, and Legion's Initiative to blink my board before I play either of those.

How do I do a search for "at least 3 colors of any combination"?

Looking to make a pot o' gold/charms deck.

>>54828433
Let's break this down.
>2011. Female; Kaalia, Tariel, Basandra, Zedruu, Nin, Damia. Male; Riku, Edric, Ghave, Karador, Vish Kal, Ruhan. Other; Animar, The Mimeoplasm, Skullbriar. 6/6/3
>2013. Female; Derevi, Sydri, Jeleva. Male; Roon, Oloro, Nekusar, Prossh, Shattergang, Marath, Gahiji. 3/7
>2014. Female; Nahiri, Gisa, Freyalise, Titania. Male; Jazal, Teferi, Geralf, Ob Nixilis, Daretti, Feldon. 4/6
>2015. Female; Mizzix, Meren, Kalemne, Anya. Male; Daxos, Karlov, Mazirek, Arjun, Ezuri, Kaseto. 4/6
>2016. Female; Vial Smasher, Kydele, Saskia, Tana, Tymna, Atraxa, Reyhan, Ikra, Ishai, Breya, Akiri. Male; Yidris, Thrasios, Ravos, Silas, Kynaios and Tiro, Sidar, Kraum, Ludevic, Bruse. 11/9
>2017. Female; Kess, Licia, Wasitora, Mirri, Inalla. Male; Arahbo, Edgar, Mairsil, Taigam, Taigam, O-Kagachi, Balan, Nazahn, Mathas, Ramos. Other; The Ur-Dragon. 5/10/1.
Total, 33/44/4. You are fake news.

>>54828762
Shame they're URGW, otherwise Spreading Plague, Necrotic Plague, etc. would be auto includes.

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>>54826550
here's my 3

>>54828782

> Equal.

I'd stop. Right. There. If I were you..

>>54826221
>Amazing/Potential breakouts
Inalla
Mairsil (Building)
Ramos
UW Taigam
>Pretty Good
Kess
Mathas
Ur-Dragon
Kess
Edgar
>Just Okay
Licia (Building)
Mirri
O-K
Nazahn
Ahrabo
>Lame
UB Taigam
Wandering Knight (Might build him anyway)

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>>54829333
>Win con is getting lucky

>>54828895
This.

>>54829287
wow

I want to make a weaboo snake deck. What goes good with mono green EDH?

>>54829370
yeah, the entire deck was built for shits n giggles with the theme of sets of 5 in mind. I like to play it now and again because it can actually win sometimes (15-35% win-rate among my friends)

>>54829361
>a free Strategic Planning each upkeep and -X removal is bad

Anon pls

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>>54829333
>Jenara Morph
I was honest to goodness thinking of making a Morph deck with Sidar Kondo+Thrasios. Hows it working out for you?

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>>54829333

Aw, yeah,the all-the-sets-of-five deck. It's been a while, how you doin'?

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>>54826550
sub out Slobad for Karn and not much else is different

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>>54829458
Honestly i think the big reason it works so well is because the commander throws people for a loop. Jenara has absolutely nothing to do with the deck except colors.

Being able to respond to split-second spells is fucking AMAZING because morph is a special action ability not activated. Also these 3 assholes WILL win you games if you can time it just right

>>54828762
Infect

What do you usually Praetor's Grasp for (or whatever allows you to search an opponent's deck and take stuff)??

Early/Mid/Late game

Also assuming that you're not in need of an answer to an immediate threat.

>>54829669
Tell me you've got Voidmage Apprentice, Brine Elemental, and Vesuvan Shapeshifter in there as well.

red is a stupid color, fite me

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So, any cool ways to break Inalla besides the built-in Bloodline Vampire combo?

Also, I just want to remind everyone that Dragons have less taplands and more basics than fucking Cats.

>>54829625
>endless turns
>infinite
>infinite

You're no fun.

>>54829235
>33/44/4
>/4

???

>>54829770
Tell us about your craw wurm deck again anon.

>>54829793
Ur-Dragon, Animar, Skullbriar and Mimeoplasm

>>54829800
He's right, you know

>>54829759
Yep! as well as Weaver of Lies, Master of the Veil, and Ixidron to turn all them morphs back down again.

Also, Wall of Deceit, while a very unassuming morpher, is a great way to abuse morph triggers from Aphetto runecaster, Salt road Ambushers, Mastery of the Unseen, and Secret Plans

>>54829800
A deck that goes infinite is cool and all but it's kinda boring when one guy does one variation of the same thing over and over.

Is there a thing that will do a few hundred random draws of your deck and let you know what card types come up most often?

>>54829896
Yes, manually doing it in tapped out.

>>54826221
Art ranking:
>HNNNGH tier
Edgar
Licia
Arahbo
Kess
Mairsil
Nazahn
Inalla
Mirri
Mathas
Ur-Dragon
O-Kagachi
>Don't-have-the-heart-to-tell-Daarken-it's-shit tier

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>>54829987
>Ur-Dragon under Mairsil

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What's the best charms?
I know for once that Izzet charm is absolute trash for EDH, so is it pic, Sultai, Temur and Crosis?

Alright, so I've got a decent land, rock and creature base for Inalla, now should I be looking to include tribal cards like Obelisk of Urd and such or should I just fill out the rest with hard control? I've never build a tribal deck before so I don't really know what staples are worth it.

>>54830114
Boros, Rakdos against specific decks.

>>54829235
>nearly 50% female legendaries
>fake news
How?

>>54830114
Naya and Bant are okayish

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>dismantle Ghave for Chainer parts
>realize all the GW stuff is a fantastic base for a Teeg deck

Fuckin' A

>>54830136
Oh yeah, Boros Charm is pretty good against all those board-wipes
>>54830141
>50%=42%

>>54830114
Izzet Charm is fine, it scales well with powerlevel. There are a lot of x/2's to kill like Jace VP, Bob, Mom, the list goes on. It loots at instant speed if you need to dig and punishes people for being greedy with it's double Force Spike.

>>54830114
Rakdos Charm will absolutely annihilate a token player or really fuck up a graveyard player's strategy, both of which are very heavily favored in my meta, so it gets my vote for a top-tier Charm

>>54830154
The point is that that is a lot of female legendaries, of which quite some appear pushed.

>>54830114
Boros

>faggot casts boardwipe
>cast Boros in response
>scoops

>>54830170
So what if they are? Is there a defensible reason why that's something to care about? Or is it just more of your culture war bullshit?

>>54830221
As far as females goes - some are hard to even say that they are females, besides looking up lore.

Still it seems it's rather their cultural war. For a game that's being played by kids too, there's no reason to push gay couples as front-face of your product. Could've been bros in arms - had to make them gay.

>>54830136
>the (((worst))) guilds get the best charms
Oy vey!

>>54830170
It only became an issue, because >MUH SJWs. Would you rather have oiled up muscular dudes?

I think people like chicks in fantasy, so as long as they are more waifubait-y, not tumblr pandering that's fine for me. That said Samut is the worst thing I've seen in awhile in every aspect of the card.

>>54830281
Give me Bruse Tarl like characters all day pls

>>54830269
>For a game that's being played by kids too, there's no reason to push gay couples as front-face of your product. Could've been bros in arms - had to make them gay.

Okay Helen Lovejoy

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>>54830281
>would you rather have oiled up muscular dudes?

I'm pretty sure even dykes find Samut unlikable.

>>54830269
Just learn to be normal, okay? Maybe stop watching so many anti-sjw videos on youtube.

>>54829941
That's no fun.

>>54830320
She strong not need man, she wuz

>>54830320
>>54830281
Expect way more Samut in future.

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>>54830385
These were her only passible depictions from the the two sets

>>54829766
You can use Mistbind Clique. You don't get infinite creatures, but you still sacrifice an infinite number. get infinite mana (from Ashnod's), and tap everyone else's lands.

>>54830354
>be normal
No one normal relates to these ugly dyke-like commanders.

>>54830437
>Narset
>Ugly dyke

Dykes don't like Asians. They like other white women and KANGZ

>>54830458
Gaysians are a rare breed

>>54830437
>he tries to relate to fictional characters in a children's card game
I said be NORMAL

>>54830468
>Playing MtG
>Telling others to be normal
>On a Taiwanese cartography web page.

>>54830463
All it takes is one visit to a Houston gaybar to disprove that, at least for fembois.

>>54829876
Any chance you got a decklist up? I'm tryin to make a morph shenanigans deck, and could use a few ideas

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>>54830463
>We will never revisit Kamigawa and get qt femboy Gaysian husbandos

>>54830494
Yeah but Houston is lefty central for the south. I'm talking about civilized places

>>54829766
Any Champion + Ashnods = Infinite mana and ETB Triggers

Wanderwine Prophets can do infinite turns if you can connect, but you need 8 mana on the startup turn plus whatever's doing the unblockable.

>>54830405
>cornrows
she is fucking gross

>>54830134
Hard control sounds good to me. Put Urd in if you plan to be attacking with Wizards pretty frequently but otherwise I'd focus on other things.

>>54830513
>when Emrakul entered Tamiyo's mind they merged like Chandra and Nissa
>tfw we lived long enough to see lesbian moonfolk x flying spaghetti monster
Not sure how to feel about that.

>>54829896
What do you have the types in mind for, something like Cloud Key?

>>54830521
>people cross oceans to receive their cancer therapy
>literally the world's largest medical center
>uncivilized

We do have a lot of minorities, but we're also a border state.

>>54830582
I was hoping i could categorize them myself (draw, ramp, etc) but I'd settle for instants, sorceries, lands, etc.

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>go off in payed pod
>new player gets mad
every time

>>54830575
>when Emrakul entered Tamiyo's mind they merged like Chandra and Nissa

Really? Tamiyo should be eating her own limbs a second after that if they stuck to the "cosmic horror" theme properly.

>>54830600
Oh, just about anything should be able to tell you that.

>>54830592
Alright, alright relax. No one was making fun of the great republic of texas, just having a little fun. Keep your huge hat on and that six shooter in it's holster.

New thread

>>54830627
>>54830627
>>54830627
>>54830627

>>54830606
>take extra turn
>everyone mad
every time

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>>54826221
In order, without having actually playtested them, and counting their possibility in the 99
>Mathas. He ranks so high because he's already got a home in my Queen Marchesa list. Outside of that guaranteed home as a possible alt commander, he's a better Gwafa.
>Mirri. The cheapest legend by far, and I tend to hate high-cost commanders because any one worth its salt has one feasible shot at changing the game, and if it gets removed, it's usually too big a fuck you to come back from. Also, those attack triggers are nothing to fuck with.
>Mairsil. That ability is hype and I want to build all fucking kinds of jank around this shit. Imo, he's the UR Artificer we never got, but also with black. Can be built thematically, good, maybe both.
>Edgar. Works a lot like a tribal Queen Marchesa and I like the colors. He'd be so good if he wasn't gimped by requiring high vampire levels to function. Hopefully the noncreature card pool can let me make varied deck ideas with him.
>Arahbo. That pump isn't actually insignificant, and I probably won't care about casting him that often if we're being totally honest.
>Kess. I feel like she's better in the 99, but she looks like a daunting enough commander on her own. She can get really good if you specifically build around her, I think.
>Inalla. I don't think she's ever worth casting, ever, but could helm grixis goodstuff as well as tribal with the right brew.
>Nazahn. I don't think I'll be leading a deck with him at all, but at least he's halfway decent in Mirri, and equipment is fun, so why not.
>Licia. I mean, don't get me wrong, she has upside. Being pretty reliably 4 or 5 cmc no matter how many times you've actually cast her, and being enough of a build-around to at least know what you should be doing with her. Cons? Mostly, the part where she fucking sucks and doesn't even get haste.
>Ur-Dragon. I don't like 5-color, especially fatass CMC 5-color.
>O-Kagachi. I don't like fatass 5-colors, especially ones that fucking suck.

>>54831860
Nigga you late af

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I'm not in a super competitive meta. Will the Mirage fetchlands be worthwhile for 5C Dragon deck?

>>54832163
I guess, but it seems narrower than evolving wilds/terramorphic expanse. Admittedly they can get shocklands if you're running shocks.

>>54828710

I think arahbo and the ur dragon are actually quite good

>>54832191

Asked this in the wrong thread but thanks.