EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>54803497
>All spoils are out. What's your favorite new card? Bonus points: That's not Legendary.
vampire steal card best card in set

>>54803497
>Bonus points: That's not Legendary.
Alms Collector
Hard mode: Not not Alms Collector

>>54803497
>Thread Question:
We still need to know about the reprints, but my favorite nonlegendary new card is Disrupt Decorum, both for the effect and the art.

Do we have decklists on the 2017 decks now that we have all the cards spoiled? I want to know what I need to track down beforehand.

Also favorite new non-legend has to be either Alms Collector or Shifting Shadows. Though Patron of the Vein has a metal as fuck name.

>>54803524
That card alone makes vampires worthwhile. So many fun things you can steal.

>>54803497
Teferi's Protection seems the most fun.

>>54803574
Probably tomorrow.

>>54803574
The full list is probably dropping tomorrow.

>>54803497
Probably the white phasing card.

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>>54803497
Goad Everything

>>54803574
I think they'll be spoiled tomorrow. I already ordered my Patron Wizard and Kalitas 2.0 though.

>play cEDH
>want to play Storm but hate mono blue and hate Jeleva
It's like my birthday.

>>54803497
Hungry Lynx for best flavor/mechanics combination

>>54803655
Oh I already have a cats set aside from me at my LGS. Might get a wizards set aside too. Just wondering if I should be hunting for other goodies for them in the meantime. I doubt they'll put something like a Sword of Body and Mind in there, I think at best cats will get a Stoneforge Mystic. Though I feel like this would be a perfect time to give Steelshaper's Gift a reprint. Would be hype if they got something nuts like Mirrari's Wake or Privileged Position.

Which begs the question. What reprint are you guys really hoping for in your deck of choice?

>>54803742
>play cEDH
>hate Jeleva

Isn't Thrasios + something used more often for storm now?

>>54803742
Honestly the wizards have a really good mix:
>Inalla for ""75%""/pubstomp
>Mairsil for fun janky johnny nonsense
>Kess for competitive

>>54803497
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

>>54803742
>>play cEDH
>>want to play Storm but hate mono blue and hate Jeleva
you already had cpt. sissy

So does Quicksilver Elemental caged by Mairsil targeting himself get around his 1 per turn restriction?

Should I go for the Vampire deck, since I like Mardu and Vampires, or should I go outside my comfort zone and go for Wizards?
I'm not really a blue player ( my only deck with blue is a Leviathans.dec), but prior to the reveals I was going to build one of the two Marchesa as my next deck.

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>>54803894
the hero we needed
not the hero we deserved
+1

>>54803758
Vampires is a good time to reprint Exquisite Blood and maybe Bloodcheif Ascension.
And Aura Shards really needs a reprint, though it probably won't because of the cat that fits the same role.

>>54803931
I think so... but I admit that this is WAY over my head. At the very least though it should let you reactivate each ability with the new instance, including the quicksilver copy that you could use to get another shot of everything.

>>54803950
Aura Shards could still be in drugons one.

How many mythics does each deck get? I'm wondering what the chances are of having Havengul Lich get printed in the Wizards deck, it'd compliment extremely well.

>>54803931
It would also get the restriction from Mairsil abillity, but you'd be able to activate those abilities 2 times. Unless you keep cloning the elemental.

>>54803947
He's the hero we deserve, not the one we need.

>>54803497
Fractured Identity, because I've wanted to give all my opponents Levelers forever and it was almost impossible before.

>>54803988
It's 3 commanders and probably 2 more.

>>54803988
Seems like they usually include 1-3 reprinted mythics, but I'd be really happy to see the lich reprinted too.

Really curious to see how the manabase for 5C Dragons will look like.

why did vampires get shafted on the commander side? There is one less new legendary for the vamp deck. Fuck WOTC and their forced wizard pushing

>Me: "oh man I am gonna make a super cool deck with my awesome strategy"
>"I will make low-tier champs viable and fun!"

And then it all goes to shit. Anyone knows that feel?

>>54803950
As cool as Exquisite Blood and Bloodcheif Ascension would be, knowing Wizards we're probably going to get Sanguine Bond and Blade of the Bloodchief.

>>54804090
If it doesn't get a chromatic lantern or I'm going to flip.

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Elite Arianist reprint spoiler when?!

>>54804102
>There is one less new legendary for the vamp deck.
What the fuck are you on about?

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>>54804103
no I dont make bad decks
and low tier "champs" are easy to build around when you realize the power of your deck comes from the 99(98) not from the 1(2)
sucks to suck

>>54804144
Gotta' agree with this guy. Full list was spoiled?

>>54804144
>Dragons has cat dragon and Taigam
>Wizards has other Taigam
>Cats have Balan
>Vampires has nothing

So where is Kess from? Innistrad?

How would you rate the new Wizard tribe legends in order of power?

Inalla>Mairsil>Kess>Taigam

>>54804103
I don't make bad decks with the expectation they'll be good. I make bad decks with the expectation they'll be bad.

It does suck when the deck doesn't even get to do the bad things you want it to do though.

Is anyone else a little frustrated that the precon decks are so unfocused? The way they put in alternate commanders and then support cards for each one makes the base deck feel really bad at times when you draw cards aimed at a commander you might have in the 99.

>>54804178
Kess looks like she's from Zendikar.
Also she's the most powerful by far.

>>54804173
Maybe we'll get that Olivia Voldaren reprint afterall.

>>54804173
Probably in reprint form. Tomorrow we'll know.

Cats seem cool, Dragons seem timmy lmao 5 color dude, I only like the steal effect and Mathas from the Vampires, but Wizards are by far the best, probably gonna build around Marisil or Snapcaster waifu

>>54804195
its meant to be a casual playable deck out of the box but also as a toolbox for you to further develop later on

>>54803947
>tfw no treefolk deck
cats are always assholes

>>54804195
No because I rarely play the precons out of the box and would rather have more variety in new commanders.
I totally understand your frustration though if you want to be able to pick up and play the precons as-is.

>>54804178
The background makes it look like Equilor.

>>54804178
>Kess
>3rd

She is stupidly powerful compared to everything else wtf

>>54804173
They had a mono black new Baron Sengir designed, but decided not to include him, because he wouldn't fit the aggro theme.

Yes, I'm pulling this info out of my ass, but don't tell me it doesn't sound like something WotC would do

>>54804195
I kind of like that about them. They offer various different playstyles and synergies to explore for players new to the format and different directions to build upon. As more experienced players we have more ideas what we want and what not, but they're great to get new players hooked.

>>54804261
But she's no where near as fun

>>54804209
Not to kinkshame, but hopefully we'll at least get new art if they reprint Olivia since all the other tribes got new legendaries.

>>54804261
this
time to bring the GY hate back in full swing
these are dark times

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Oh boy

OH BOY

>>54804293
I realized that was bullshit, but it still killed me a bit inside.

>>54804314
this is hilariously fun

>>54803497
>All spoils are out.
Full decklists?

>>54804314
Feldon would love this.

>>54804178
Kess is from Grixis or the remnants of Equilor.

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>>54804301
I pray. She needs more art that makes her look a lot less like a futa rape monster. Mobilized for War was atrocious.

>>54804314
Fucking awesome.

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>>54804338
would he?

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>>54804314
>Destroy
>Not sac
S P I C Y

>>54804333
No, just the new cards. Decklists shouldn't be too far off though.

>>54803610
>>54803632
Card that literally removes you from the game is considered most fun.

/edhg/ showing its true colors.

>>54804209
Maybe we'll get a Shaku, the Endbringer reprint as an answer to all the indestructible being put in these decks.

>>54804102
>>54804173
Actually dragons has 5 new legendaries: Ur-Dragon, O-Kagachi, the artifact one, the jund dragon and Taigam.

>>54804393
It seems like someone just REALLY wanted to make two Taigams, so they screwed vampires out of getting a 4th new legendary.

>>54804150
Everyone deserves a (You)

>>54803894
get a life

>>54804383
It's the best "I have to go take a shit" card ever printed, drop it on your end step and go take a nice poop

>>54804423
Come into discord and we can hash out want direction you think I should take my life bby <3

>>54804178
I'm fairly sure Kess is from Grixis. Equilor is the second string possibility. Nowhere else has landscapes of flesh and bone.

Power, it's probably Kess = Inalla > Mairsil >>> Taigam. And Kess could pull ahead if Inalla doesn't live up to her "infinites from the Command Zone" potential. They're all at least decent, though I'll be jamming Taigam into Scarab God's 99 rather than running him on his own. Draw spells, bin creatures, use wasted spells to kill enemies.

>>54804463
"Anywhere but discord" hardly needs a dedicated namefag platform to discuss.

>>54804314
>>54804377
Does this mean if you enchant one of the eldrazi you can Jank your way to bullshit?

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Who is the shittiest fucking god and why is it this guy?

>>54804293
>No Veldrane, Gone to Die, Sacrifice this creature: Vampires you control gain +2/+2, First Strike, Deathtouch, Flying, Lifelink, and Haste until end of turn.

>>54804518
What about the best one?

>>54804549
Musclesnake

>>54804549
Purphoros, probably.

>>54804518
>>54804518
>Who is the shittiest fucking god
Pharika

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/very-fast-slivers-killing-at-incredible-hihg-speed/

Is my Sliver list missing anything too terribly important? I feel like I've about got it worked out.

>>54804582
He asked for best god, not most overhyped god. Easy mistake.

>>54804623
this
Calling the anon who claims he won store championships with his secret pharika tech
show yourself faggot

>>54804504
Im almost certain theres an easier and less win more way to get a free creature every turn but maybe Im wrong.

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>>54804518
In the 99? Kefnet's not the worst. Hazoret's just useless unless you're running waifu tribal.

>>54804693

Hazoret has a format or two she's playable in, Kefnet is bad in every format

>>54804518
Call me stupid, but why would I want to pay 4 Mana to draw one card then also choose to take a land back in my hand except weird landfall shenanigans.

>>54804717
if you have inf mana lol

>>54804717
The land bounce is a way to fill your hand. And activated abilities on creatures for spell effects that would normally be cheap are usually expensive.

>>54804693
>waifu tribal
This should be good, got a list?

>>54804518
Kefnet's actually an alright backup for any deck that really wanted Patron of the Soratami. Heck, even Patron can use him because at least Kefnet comes down sooner. And at the very least he sits there ignoring a lot of potential removal and drawing you cards.

I'd say the title of Worst God goes to Bontu, since she can't be kept active and as a sac outlet she's badly outclassed due to that whole costing mana to sac thing. Hazoret and Rhonas are pretty bad too but Rhonas grants trample with his "enchantment" mode which could at least be used and Hazoret is kinda fun for "Fuck the World".dec which puts them... eeh on Kefnet's level

>>54804693
>tfw you read Fervent as Pervert

>>54804750
Well that makes at least a little bit of sense

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>>54804786
oh here we go again...

>>54804786
LEWD

>>54804301
Meh I hope she gets new art and it still looks like she has a dick.

>>54804717
To generate one mana by replaying it if you have no land drops for the turn.

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>>54804820
this would be fantasdick
im sure Hasbro would have a cow though

>>54804791
its an unusual ability but blue does get it on occasion. They probably thought multiple draws would have to be costed too high to be playable anywhere. Idr if by Amonkhet they knew BFZ would still be in rotation or not.

>>54804706
Yeah, but this is the EDH thread, and Hazoret's useless here. The only reason Hazoret's played at all is Ramunap Red for Standard. After that she'll be a bargain bin mythic. Kefnet's at least worth playing in a Karona God tribal deck.

>>54804820
>>54804847
Just one of the best community "in" jokes since Siege Penis. It be a shame if wizards ruined it.

>>54804902
>Hazoret's useless here
do you not consider 1v1 edh a real format?

>Put Razaketh under Mairsil
ANON WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG! WE'RE NOT GETTING OUR $100!

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>>54804923
oh shit nigger...

>>54804919
They already did, no dick on the new one in SoI.

>>54804921
Hazoret's not played in eternal 20 life formats, much less 30 life singleton vintage. Don't kid yourself.

>>54804352
Hey kid wanna /ss/

>>54804923
I wonder how many good token making abilities can be stuck on this guy.

There's a lot of solid stuff that only requires sacing dudes.

>>54804965
>30 life

Ewwwwwwwwww

>>54804965
Last I checked, 1v1 EDH is a 20 life format now, but still, you're not wrong

>>54805000
its 30 retard

>>54804965
>implying we are playing with leviathan rules
its 20 life now dude and theres plenty of gross ass haz tech out there
though I think for the most part people choose zergo for mono red

>>54804965
What about French? I could see him in Zurgo.

>>54805000
It's time to doublecheck, wizards run this shit now and Dagsson is banned along with cantrips

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>>54804301
Marchesa didn't get new artwork, and neither have any reprints from previous commander sets. I wouldn't hold your breath.

>>54805016
are you referring to the mtgo list
because thats not french as of 2 weeks ago anyway
please dont tell me french cucked out and just accepted the far inferior online banlist

>>54805038
It's not french, but it's already almost everything french tried to be. Give 'em a few months to ban serial offenders though

>>54805052
its a shit list
french is far superior
they started from scratch and its blatantly obvious with how much they have been changing things around that they have no idea what they are doing.

>>54805038
Nobody plays French. That rule set is more dead than Tiny Leaders.

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>>54805010
Pic related

>>54805016
Well, I don't know what that double check turned up, is French kill or what?

>check edhrec for samut as commander out of fun
>lists fucking white cards as her synergy

oh my fucking lel

>>54805084
its a regional format and always has been
you are probably better off not talking about things you know nothing about

wizard deck seems janky. it's like necromancers meet spellslingers, but the commanders only give a shit about the necromancers.

>>54804923
>>54804936
Fugg

>>54805109

she has red, green, white color identity.

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>>54805013
>gross ass 3-mana-discard-a-card-deal-two-to-face tech
I'll just leave this here.

>>54805109
Bait? Or retarded? The world may never know.

>>54805084
This. My LGS was 90% French and when I arrived last week it was "hey Anon, you know its 30 life now and brainstorm is banned?" and not a single person out of ~30 as much as batted an eyelid

>>54805161
people consider this "the worst card ever made" but I only see it being really good for reanimator decks...am i right?

>>54805109
I bet you think Memnarch is a colorless commander.

>>54805127
Or maybe you shouldn't shit up discussions with your houserules format that you and the two other people in your carshop play? It's like going to the modern general and talking about how well cards do in Frontier.

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>>54805161
play creatures damn it!

>>54805080
Reposting in new thread.

>>54805129
What are talking about. Kess is distinctly a spell commander and none of them feel like necromancers except maybe mairsil in a very roundabout

>>54805161
>>54805187
I ran a Modern deck with this and Lupin.

It was pretty fucking hilarious

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>>54805187
It's just you.

>>54805187
You're not wrong, but there are cards that give benefits for discarding and let you choose what to discard, instead of blanket "lose your hand, gain nothing." In a vacuum it's certainly the worst.

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>>54805187
There's better alternatives is the thing.

Transformed and flip cards are considered to be only the unflipped or "day side" when it comes to other zones, correct?

So, a caged Nezumi Graverobber doesn't have the other half? Same with Chalice of Life?

>>54804195
This set in particular or in general?

In the past we have had stellar commander decks, like guided by nature. I also thought that the artifact deck from last year was very well put together out of the box.

>>54805282
Yup. Sun Titan would be even more disgusting if that wasn't the case.

>>54805217
Pack Rat.

>>54805230
>$1.29
Wow! I expected it to be 10 cents but people must be collecting them as a meme.

>>54805241
That card was only good once YawgWill came out

>>54805298
They actually recently made the night side be the same cmc as the day.

And flip were always the same cmc.

>>54804383
I like it because it means phasing may make a return.

>>54805317

dude what. she has red green color identity because it's in her mana cost 3GR, but she also has white because her activated ability costs 1 white mana. check the rules.

>>54805317
You are triggering me

>>54805343
It's incredibly useful without Will

>>54805343
Ok, it is a much more effective way to discard your hand than One With Nothing though. LED gives mana while OWN costs it.

>>54805317
Please go back to Modern.

>>54805358
>>54805363
Sorry, I didn't see the flavor text

Alrighty then

>>54805317
>activated ability has white
So retarded, thanks for clarifying.

>>54805382
>flavor text
Jesus Christ.

>>54805382
This is MASTERFUL.

>>54805351
Wait what? Do you have a source on that?

>>54805333
It's a rare from an underdrafted set that's never been reprinted. It's got just enough demand to match its incredibly meager supply.

>want to sell Ugins/Karns to buy legacy pieces
>but want to use Ugins/Karns in EDH

So anons, you sleeve up your Graffdigger's cages for the ""competitive"" fags who'll bring Kess?

>>54804123
>yfw it gets Prismatic Omen

>>54805848
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/shadows-over-innistrad-release-notes-2016-03-30

Do we have the decklists or is it tomorrow?

>>54806057
Look at the context of sentences you shitter. If we had the lists, then we wouldn't have people saying things like >>54803561
Get a fucking clue, Jesus Christ.

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>>54803497
>all these tribal support cards
My sliver deck is gonna have a field day

So. All the EDH deck Magi have been Vintage-restricted sorceries.
There's only one each for Green and White.
Think we'll see Magus of Balance and Magus of the Channel? Or something else?
And after this cycle is complete, do they move to instants? Tokens of other creatures?
Magus of the Channel can only be a Joraga elf, of course.

>>54806105
>Memory Jar is a sorcery
>Moat is a sorcery that is restricted in Vintage

>>54806184
>"the EDH deck Magi"

>>54806083
Chill out dude

>>54806211
Don't ask dumb questions.

>>54805921
Sell 3 of each

Is there anything more resilient to removal than Aetherling's ability?

>>54805970
I already run it in my decks that don't mind it.

>>54806105
Balance would be reasonable but even a summoning sick Magus of the Channel seems absolutely broken.

>>54806105
>tokens of creatures
I would love to see more of those. Based Future Sight had a cycle like that but the creatures were very unimpressive. Making more powerful tokens like Tarmogoyfs and Snapcasters would be sweet.

>>54806224
Fair point.

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>>54806264

>>54806437
Is it any better or is it just as good? It lasts a whole round, true. Mistborn Dragon seems good for the same reason.

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>Dralnu
>Interesting card with a unique and powerful ability
>Drawback requires careful play and deckbuilding
>High risk/high reward play style

>Kess
>Literally the same card but stronger in every way
>Virtual haste because no tapping required, cast shit every turn
>No drawback whatsoever
>One less mana and an extra color because there weren't enough 3-color decks running around
>Haha we'll give it evasion too because fuck you

I don't even play Dralnu (but I would like to at some point), and I'm not claiming Kess is any more busted than the other designed for commander legends, but I'm getting really tired of WotC obsoleting older and jankier commanders, because now playing with them just feels like you're nerfing your deck for no good reason.

>>54806679
For what it's worth, Kess only works on your turn, dralnu works on any turn with his tap ability

>>54806507
There are a few niche things that interact with flickering. Moonlight and Priest get rid of it, and probably see more play than anything that would phase permanents back in.

>>54806507
Can't be hosed by Containment Priest.

>>54806679
Deal y'all drawback was just a reference to the card Lich as part of Time Spiral's nostalgia boner. It was never really an appropriate drawback for what he did.

All it means is that Dranu decks get to cut Bubble Matrix and have more colors.

>>54806787
>>54806775
Fair enough. Plus, good redundancy.

This list is gonna have zero room for actually good cards.

>>54806679
If you've got untap abilities like Thousand-Year Elixir or Dramatic Reversal then you can use Dralnu multiple times per turn, and not just on your turn.

>>54806337
Magus of Wrath, because people can never get enough keyword soup angels.
Magus of the Butcher, because you need ANOTHER grave pact.
Magus of the Blightsteel in the deck nobody was going to buy originally but hey onehit kill button, just happens to have double summoning sickness. Now that deck's sold out!
Magus of the Promised End. Gets a story article by Ken Troop as they decide to check up on Innistrad (there's cultists!)
Magus of the Craterhoof. Dies to removal.
Magus of the Obliterator. Creature - Horror Wizard. High price but nobody plays it because BBBB activated ability for a token on sac.
Magus of the Maro - Nobody asked for this.
Magus of Kruphix/the Titan/ - Delaying when you get it makes it balanced, right?

>>54806727
>>54806808
Shit, you guys are correct, my bad. I thought the card read "during each turn" because I only skimmed it in my autistic disgruntlement. I suppose she's not strictly better for a draw-go control style deck in that case. I still wish Wizards would tone down the power level of the made for commander stuff a bit, but it's pretty clear I'm in the minority regarding that opinion.
>>54806788
>All it means is that Dranu decks get to cut Bubble Matrix and have more colors.
That's literally what I'm disappointed about. Instead of having Dralnu decks AND Kess decks, and having each do something a little differently, there's now very little reason to ever run Dralnu because there's a much stronger choice who plays very similarly.

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>>54806840
>Nissa, Magus of the Promised End
>it's a flip walker

Is there a way to search on magiccards.info for only cards that have activated abilities?

>>54806840
>Magus of the Obliterator
>nobody plays it
I would immediately slot that shit into my mono-B, because Grave Pact triggers, Obliterator tokens, and I can recur the shit out of it.

>>54806971
o:":"

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>UPS shipment delayed by "late trailer arrival"
What the fuck, I wanted to put my new deck together for the weekend

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I love Mairsil

>>54806679
Dralnu still busted with Paradox Engine though

>>54807290
try wall of blood instead of colossus

>>54807357
Can't activate his ability more than once a turn.

>>54807374
oh right

>>54807048
What I meant was that its price was way higher than its usability indicated, since it's basically only usable in monoblack

>>54806902
>now very little reason to ever run Dralnu
Unless you're playing cEDH, that's completely within your control. Play Dralnu because you want to.

>Putting Dralnu in Mairsil for dat flashback with none of the downside

>>54807543
Is there nothing this guy can't do!?

>>54806902
I'm still gonna run Dralnu because that ability is instant speed and is absolutely nuts with Paradox Engine. Plus he's fun, if you misplay a counter and then eat something like Blasphemous Act you're totally fucked, makes piloting the deck very reactive and demanding of attention

>>54807374
quicksilver elemental

>>54807884
Yeah, stuff with green or white in its color identity

>>54807884
Non-activated abilities.

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Do we know what deck
>pic related
is going to be in?

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Just to double check, if you activate a Mairsil who is exiling a Jace, Vryn's Prodigy, if you have more than 5 cards in your yard, wouldn't you flicker him effectively?

>>54808058
Surely not the Wizard one, but since it was revealed the same day of the vampires I expect it to be in that deck

>>54805241
$130 vs $1 though. I'll pay the B.

>>54804644
>>54804623
I still can't believe they managed to fuck up a Golgari God Card, and not even release one in Amonkhet.

Also interested in secret Pharika tech. My friends are getting into EDH and it's basically my job to help them beef up their decks to my level so we can compete.

One guy runs Pharika Deathtouch.

One Guy runs Rith Voltron... going to upgrade it to Miststalker Aura-tron as soon as his Student loans go in.

Another guy wants to buy the GayHug Romans Pre-Con. Gonna boost that one with Collective Journey and other funstuffs.

And then the others still need decks. Who's the best budget commander? Also, who's the best budget Control commander?

>>54808095
Guess I have to wait for the decklists to be released

>>54808078
I feel like it wouldn't work like that, since it says Jace is flipping and Mairsil isn't Jace.

>>54808188
Any instance of [insert name here] in a card's text is actually just referring to the card itself.

>>54808202
Really? That's really cool.

>>54808115
I mean, I don't know if Constellation really counts as tech, but people underestimate the "draft" chaf constellation and in Pharika, you're pretty reliably getting triggers.

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>>54808115
>>54804623
>>54804644
We had a Theros god thing going on in our playgroup once and a friend built her with Spellshapers. I mostly remember it because he blew up my lands decidedly with Jolrael before I could cast a single spell that game.

>>54808078
Correct. If he has haste then you can loot your entire deck away.

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Is this card any good at all, and do any of you guys run it? I pulled it at my pre-release, so I want to at least give it a try.

I am thinking of putting it in my Ezuri deck. X will be 2, and I will get a Sage of Hours, and Dwynen's Elite. If I have Ezuri on the battlefield with experience of at least 2 prior to casting Uncage the Menagerie it would win the game with Sage of Hour infinite turns. I could make a better combo though. Any thoughts /tg/?

>>54808236
That seems really good, both in looting your entire deck away and in the whole "free flicker" to reset all your activated abilities thing.

Did I genuinely find some tech?

>>54808237
It seems good to me. I stuck in in Reki. My 3 and 6 drop stock is the most value, but I have options for the other ones.

I haven't had a chance to cast it.

>>54808237
I use it in one deck that has a lot of valuable 3 and 4 drops and is able to generate a lot of mana.

>tfw brewed so many decks lately that my mind feels sluggish when I look to the new commanders with the intention of brewing a deck around them even though I've been waiting for this Wizard deck since it was revealed we'd be getting one
I just don't know where to even start right now. I'm pleased with all three of the new commanders and I've been wanting a Grixis deck as well, I just feel tired after building so many decks online in preparation for this. Which commander should I go with, /edh/?
Inalla seems great for Wizard stuff, which is one of my favorite tribes still wish we had gotten Horrors.
Kess seems good for a spellslinging deck, if a little bland
Mairsil seems like a great jank master general with build-your-own-combos and flavor out the ass
Or I could go with OG Marchesa because she's still a cool legend

>>54808237
i'd say it's better than wild pair in most cases

>>54808266
Only issue I see is giving him haste.

>>54808349
Just do something simple if you want to relax.

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So is this a staple in most decks now, /edhg/? It's like a Bojuka Bog that can be used in any color.

>>54808372
Eh, a Blighted Bat will solve that.

>>54808372

Not a problem in red. Lightning Greaves, Anger, any of those other red enchantments.

>>54808373
It's not that I really want to relax, it's just that all of this new stuff has me a little overwhelmed. It's odd to say, but Wizards met my expectations this year. For the moment, I'm leaning toward Mairsil because Johnny gonna Johnny, but I can also do combos with Inalla while keeping Wizard tribal elements in.

>>54808266
No you fuck, I found that tech. It's impossible for two people to find something independently.

>>54808401
Dang.

>>54808397
I'm massively enjoying Mairsil brewing. I doubt this deck will be good, but fuck is it fun to brew combinations.

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>>54803947
>doranposting

you're not me

>>54808237
You can go with Nest Invader too, which will let you generate another colorless mana to cast something with.

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>>54808433
Very Fast Tree Running at Incredible Hihg Speed

>>54808379
You'd need infinite colorless mana to do that. Anger through self milling seems better.

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>>54808462
none of bolas's minions can stand against a true god.

>>54808512
HE'S TOO FAST!

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>>54808462

So the Mairsil JVP interaction doesn't work.
>2. Entering the battlefield transformed

>A few effects can put a card onto the battlefield transformed. This means to put it on the battlefield with its back face up. Starting with this set, we have a new rule that if you're told to put a card that isn't a DFC onto the battlefield transformed, it just stays where it is. This may affect a few cards in this set, but I think the Magic Origins planeswalkers illustrate the change nicely. (This is code for "The cool cards in this set I could use to illustrate this haven't been previewed yet." I know. I feel the same way.) Say you control a Clone that's copying Jace, Vryn's Prodigy, and you activate faux-Jace's ability with four thousand cards in your graveyard. Well, four thousand is "five or more," so faux-Jace dutifully exiles himself. Then he tries to return transformed, but in exile he's just a single-faced Clone. He's not a DFC, so he gets detained at the border and remains in exile. I hope the card you drew was good, because this wasn't a great play otherwise.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/shadows-over-innistrad-mechanics

>>54808378
>>54808378

Technically it costs 3 mana as opposed to 1 for bojuka bog. But the advantage is that it can be used at instant speed and if you need it early as a land drop you don't have to waste the gy exile like you would if you needed the bog for an early land drop.

I think it's overall better than bojuka bog and will eventually be in most every deck like strip mine is

>>54808475
I would be very surprised if you didn't have something that tapped him for mana and untapped him for some.

Thousand Year in play also does that.

Point is, it is easy.

>>54808570
Saves me 25 bucks. I don't mind not going crazy.

Thanks for double checking, I wasn't sure.

>>54804314
so I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but this doesn't specify creature you control. You can slow nuke an opponent's creature and the trigger will still give you a creature from your library.

>>54808570

Mairsil fags BTFO

has there ever been a card with more failed combos brewed?

>>54808639
So Pili-Pala?

>>54808665
It won't give you a creature from your library, because it gives the creature it's attached to the polymorph effect, rather than doing it itself.

>>54808666
Probably not, because Mairsil might as well be Mairsil, Lord of Jank.
I'm just going to play Breya so I can exile Ith with Mairsil.

>>54808667
Mmm. Or a gilded lotus and horseshoe crab. Whatever works.

There's a fair shake of {Q} and artifacts that untap.

>>54808667
Remember, Grand Architect and Pili-Pala are both activated abilities. You just need to make Mairsil an artifact. Liquimetal Coating a Mairsil staple.

>>54804314
New toy for Marchesa

>>54808756

Did we forget about the once per turn clause? I'm confused

How could you ever use an untap ability with him if you would use up your once per turn to tap him

>>54808684
fug

>>54808778
You can only activate each of the abilities once per turn, not just one of the abilities once.

>>54808778
It is a per ability thing. So, an untap gives you more use of the other tap abilities.

Plus, with flicker and haste, you get more value.

>>54808756
I dunno why you would need Liquimetal, just exiling a Smuggler's Copter makes it pretty easy to turn him artifacty.

>>54808802
>I dunno why you would need Liquimetal, just exiling a Smuggler's Copter makes it pretty easy to turn him artifacty.
Good God, we're reaching levels of jank I never thought possible. I love Mairsil.

What do you guys think of Edgar? I'm guessing he'll be the vampire commander.

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>>54808802
>Crewing is an activated ability
>Turning the Pretender of Terisiare into a Vehicle

>>54808816
I went crazy and made myself a garbage list to get it out of my system. I was gonna proxy the whole thing, but goldfishing this deck is impossible since it clearly wins if no opponent cares.

I'm gonna hold off for two weeks until I actually have it in hand before setting cards aside.

>>54808863
He's a'ight.

>>54808863

What do you mean you're guessing?

Also he's solid. Can never go too wrong with a skullclamp enabling commander

>>54808892
I'm probably going to go ahead and start brewing a list myself. This is too fun. All in all, this Wizard deck pleases me in pretty much all aspects.

>not exiling an equipment with Mairsil
>not equiping him to your dumb Timmy beaters
You people disappoint me.

>>54809014

Creatures can't be equipped tho :(

>>54809014
That would require him to stop being a creature. Get some ideas going there.

>>54803497
>All spoils are out. What's your favorite new card? Bonus points: That's not Legendary.
still not impressed with the set in all honesty but that one cat that tutors equipment is pretty dope, probably going to make a deck around him

Could I use stitchwing skaab with mairsil?

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>>54809125
And reassembling skeleton.

Do we do /cube/ here too?

http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/84885

Looking for suggestions. I think I've got it to a pretty fun place.

>>54809125
>>54809182
no, her ability granting his activated abilities only works when he's in play

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Taigam's just here to have a good time.

>>54809125
>>54809182
Ask a judge anon said no. Sucks, but aetherling/morphling/selfbounce dudes/riptide lab/swiftfoot boots/whatever the fuck should be fine for keeping her on board.

>>54809393
I'm glad they made a new UB commander but he's just so boring to me, thank god he's not another zombie commander but fuck

>>54809044
>>54809031
You can use a Licid and Equipment to do it.

But most equipment only has one activated ability and isn't worth turning Mairsil into.

>>54808863
Looking at those new vampire commanders, I declare him the best of the worst.

Im gunna use marsail with pyromancers goggles. Now hes a dork that can double my spells

>>54809504
You know, you could run Mairsil in the 99 of a deck with Sunforger...

>>54809393
Why is he so happy here?

>>54809534
zombie fetish

>>54809534
Because OG Taigam was HUGE on Ambition, and the Sultai let him do that. So now he's the ambitious schemer who controls the clan like puppets.

Also, I just notice the Sultai tattoo on his temple.

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Mairsil, the Hanging Tree

>>54809534
Necromancy is fun. have you seen gisa or lili?

>>54809579
Reminder that Grimgrin is named after Geralf's sister's smile.

>>54808863
Why are there only 3 new Vampire commanders and 5 new Dragon commanders? Shit is dumb yo

>>54809596
Because only 3 of the Dragons can actually be commanders of the dragon deck. Wasitora and Taigam can't run the deck, while Mathas, Licia, and Edgar can all run vamps.

>>54809596
Dragons didnt have enough commander options. Vampires had too many options so they had to make it fair.

So anons, any cool wizard tech for Inalla? I'd like to actually make use of her tap ability and the tap abilities of other Wizards, so I need some good Wizards to fill the deck with.

>>54809596
Every precon so far has had 3 new commanders and a random number of leggendaries.
Dragons have a ton because of Scion and I'd rule Wizards having Marchesa as a happy incident.
Still, we don't know the rest of the decklists yet, so I wouldn't be surprise if Vampires and Cats get some extra riprinted legendaries in the 99.
Probably not as much as Dragons though.

>>54809699
Searching this on magiccards.info should give you more than enough to work with:

c!ubrc t:wizard (o:{T} or o:"tap an untapped" or o:{Q})

>>54809746
I'm currently going through gatherer for tech as well, but this should help. What I really need is something to make wizard tokens besides Docent of Perfection. Great card, but it's only one out of the 99.

>>54808058
vampires for sure. Tefferi related stuff is full white in this commander set

>>54809699
I was thinking of Vela the Night Clad and tons of LTB effects.

>>54809775
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3A%22wizard+creature+token%22&v=card&s=cname

In preparation for grixis wizards, what are the best ways to tutor for sundial of the infinite?

>>54809815
vamp tutor

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I assume this guy's untap effect only works for creatures on the battlefield right?

>>54809804
So it looks like my options are really limited after all. Pity. Guess I'll have to look for some more obscure stuff and fill in the rest with good wizards.

>>54809815
I like Muddle the Mixture. It's a counterspell and a tutor! What's not to love?

>>54809815
2 means no Trinket or Trophy Mage. Probably Fabricate.

>>54809833
as oppose to what other zone? No you can't move time counters off of suspended creatures.

>>54809881
yea I was hoping I could do suspend shenanigans with it, that's a shame. Thanks

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>>54809815
Don't forget to get your patron wizards.

>>54808078
You can do the same with Dack's Duplicate if your opponent has a Baby Jace.

>>54809596
There's 5 new vampire legends, 5 new wizard legends, 5 new cat legends, and fuck you if you like vampires you colonialist shitlord.

Two of the vampires don't even look like vampires, nigravamp and bounty could be Human Soldier and Human Rogue and nobody would bat an eye looking at their art.

Would yahenni work with mairsil?

>>54809966
>There's 5 new vampire legends, 5 new wizard legends, 5 new cat legends,

Name those 2 new vampires, 1 new cat and 1 new wizard then if you know any better

>>54809966
>5 new wizard legends
I see Inalla, Kess, Mairsil, and Taigam. Who is the 5th?

>>54809957
No you cannot. Mairsil will not flicker if copying a Baby Jace effect, just exile itself.

>>54810003
Yes.

>>54810008
Mirri, Arahbo, Balan, Nazahn, and Wasitora.

>>54810003
Haste is a keyword and the +1/+1 counters is triggered, but you'd get the Aristocrat effect.

How do Hall of Gemstone and Nykthos interact? Can I still use the devotion ability?

>>54810069
Friend the only activated ability on Yahenni is sacrifice for invincibility what are you going on about static things for?

>>54810049

Granted I'll give you Wasitora

So that makes 5 Cat generals = Balan, Mirri, Arahbo, Wasitora and Nazahn

5 Dragons = Wasitora, Ramos, UrDragon, Taigam(nondragon but deals with dragons) and O Kagachi

But Wizards only has 4 = Inalla, Kess, Mairsil, and Taigam Grixis.

Vampires only has Edgar, Mathas and Licia.

>>54809815
>allready bought sundial for zada
>mfw new wizards deck

nice

>>54810127
Friend they might not understand that. Aristocrat is a non-technical term for gaining a benefit off sacrificing a creature, as seen on Falkenrath Aristocrat and Cartel Aristocrat.

>>54810012
Taigam.

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>>54809833
You can only move counters to and from creature permanents with that ability, not creature cards. Cards in exile, your graveyard, your hand, or any other zone than the battlefield, are just cards, not permanents.

This is why cards like timecrafting reference both permanents and suspended *cards*.

>>54810229
I already listed Taigaim. Only one of the Taigams is a Wizard. The other is a monk.

>>54810025
It will come back, just not transformed (because it cannot).

Do you think Brushland will get a reprint in Cats precon? Weren't painlands printed in previous precons? It's the last painland I need.

>>54810229
Taigam's a human monk.
>>54810270
No it will not. See >>54808570. Since Shadows Over Innistrad if a copy of a flip card would exile and return flipped it exiles and doesn't return.

>>54810008
There's 3 Vampires
>Edgar
>Licia
>Mathas
4 dragons
>O-Kagachi
>Ur Dragon
>Ramos
>Wasitora
5 wizards
>Inalla
>Kess
>Mairsil
>Taigam UB
>Taigam WU
and 5 cats.
>Arhabo
>Mirri
>Balan
>Nazahn
>Wasitora

>>54810327
Taigam WU is a Monk. Christ.

>>54810327
Taigam Ojutai is a Human Monk

>>54810327
>>Taigam WU
Again, he's not a Wizard. He's a monk.

>>54810296
Welp, my bad. Guess my judge friend hasn't followed the news lately.

>>54810392
This has been the ruling since origins, when did he stop judging?

>>54810426
Little over a year ago I think, although he does keep tabs on the rules changes. I guess he just forgot this one when we played.

How did snowy forests and snow covered mountains come to represent R/G when it comes to dual lands?

>>54810566

Red included ice in its flavor, because of the mountain association

>>54810646
>>54810646
>>54810646

>>54810566
Red is damage. That means lightining bolts, avalanches, and earthquakes are in the same color.

>>54808882

I hate to reference R&M but I can't get the thought of him turning into a train or floating boat in the middle of doing some wizard bs out of my head.

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>>54806970