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Chaos And Tau BFFs edition

>Official Death Guard Comedy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJMu9G7Pyw8

>Konor Campaign: Chaos Rising!!!
https://konor.warhammer40000.com/
>Check your local store's contribution to the Campaign.
https://warhammer40000.com/fate-konor-galaxy-flames/

>GW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/updated-faqs-and-boots-on-the-groundgw-homepage-post-2/
>FW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/15/new-and-updated-forge-world-faqs-july16gw-homepage-post-2/
>Codex: Space Marines Errata
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/10/codex-space-marines-errata-now-available/

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
>Everything 8th edition in pdf & epub, SW:A, WIP and BB are here too, no novels.
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA

>Other Megas
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ

>WIP Math-hammer doc (Chart-Anon doing Chaos' work)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing
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1st for TALLYMAN.
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FIRST FOR CUTEDAR
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First for IGfags a shit
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New mission looks interesting.
https://warhammer40000.com/mission-3-hold-line/
The resurgent machine spirit stratagem is really cool, that'd be neat if it becomes a universal one.
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>>54799214
>Chaos And Tau BFFs edition
>implying that the Tau aren't going to cuck Chaos out of the next planet, now that Eldar and Orks have had their turn
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NOT TYPHUS
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Nurgle Accountant claims this thread!>>54799279
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New Mortarion in darker colours looks pretty good.
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>>54799279
Is that snot or a tube?
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Reposting this, because it was more entertaining than I expected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJMu9G7Pyw8
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>>54799306
I'd like to see it without the banner, I think it ruins it.
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>>54799289
I'LL BE THE ROOOOOOUNDABOUT

THE WORLDS WILL MAAAAKE YOU OUT 'N' OUT
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>>54799319
It's in the OP.
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>>54799298
>This new redesign can't be the same as the other one because its different!

Poor logic there my ol' chum.
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>>54799306
Am I the only one who thinks he looks disappointingly human? He just looks like a big, slightly mutated dude with fly wings. I mean what kind of self-respecting demon carries a pistol and has a chainsaw scythe?
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>>54799316
A snot collector tube.
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>>54799306
It's just a really ugly model. The positioning of the legs is bad, the wings are a neat idea but I'm nit a huge fan of the execution, it's got a bit too many things going on, and that face is just bad. So bad, they should have gone grim reaper style hidden face like the epic mortatirion.

I'll probably still pick him up, because I already have Guillman and magnus, and he'll be neat to use even though all my DG are just the guys who come in DI.
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>>54799325
I'd like to see it not being blurry AF.
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WHO.
IS.
THE.
NEXT.
LOYALIST.
PRIMARCH?

If we go on popularity, Sanguinius should have been first. But that's not gonna happen. So we're left with 4 options; Vulkan, Dorn, Khan and Russ.

Vulkan appeared in Beast Arises series. Russ appeared during Warzone Fenris (though only for a few mins).
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>>54799290
So, if I activate one of the Strategems that affects a Vehicle, does it only affect a single model in a Vehicle unit, or does it benefit the unit as a whole?

What happens if I pick the "shoot twice" stratagem and give it to my AdMech killer robutts on a turn that I've had them shoot twice already? Do they get to shoot a third time?
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>>54799370
Lion.
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>>54799298
But he has a horn on his helm anon! A HORN!

Not like that would be a common thing for DG or anything..
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>>54799370
russ is next, you know it I know it.
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>>54799384
I said loyalist.
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>>54799306
while he looks much better with better colors and lighting than in the leak

i still think he should be on foot, goddamn its supposed to be nurgle, slow and steady,

sorry, im still sperging about that magnus´ model is on foot and isnt using his wings
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>>54799289
i just realised that modern 40k is pretty much turning into jojo part 2
Bobby G - Joseph Joestar. Main character, kind of an asshole, but means well.
??? (Lion?) - Caesar. Really, REALLY an asshole, but also means well. Will probably die again for some stupid reason.
Magnus- Wamuu. Did nothing wrong.
Mortarion - AC/DC. Literally just an asshole.
??? - Kars. Translator's note: Keikaku means plan.
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>>54799370
Wasn't the Lion literally confirmed or at least implied as being up and around but remaining confined to the Rock in the latest DA dex?
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>>54799393
then.. Alpharion.
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>>54799399
Cringe.
>>>/a/
>>>/tv/
>>>/v/
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>>54799370
GW will literally swim in money if they release Papa Sang.
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>>54799355
Stop writing like such a faggot and being so wrong there 'my ol' chum'.
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>>54799399
xD upvoted friendo
Edit: thanks for the gold!
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>>54799403
Probably spends his days expanding azrael's inner circle.
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>>54799289
SO, GUILLIMAN, HOW WILL YOU DEFEAT MY STAND, [DOWN WITH THE SICKNESS]?
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>>54799387
>russ is next
BAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>54799399
I really should get round to watching jojo one of these years. So many memes seem to come from it.
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>>54799306
Much better. Raver Morty looked bad.
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>>54799403
no, he's snoozing in the Rock being looked after the watchers
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>>54799370
I'm sorry but we're just going to have to keep you in the Dark about this.
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>>54799370
Lion or Russ.
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Raven Guard
HQ
Primaris Captain: Power Sword, Master-crafted Stalker Bolt Rifle - 96 pts
Primaris Chaplain - 93 pts

Troops
5 Intercessors: Auto Bolt Rifles, Auxiliary Grenade Launcher - 106 pts
5 Intercessors: Power Sword, Auxiliary Grenade Launcher - 105 pts
5 Scouts: Camo Cloaks, Sniper Rifles - 90 pts

Elites
Primaris Apothecary - 68 pts
5 Reivers - 90 pts

Fast Attack
3 Inceptors - 180 pts

Heavy Support
5 Hellblasters - 165 pts

Total - 993 pts

Running out today sometime to start buying stuff, trying to finalize my list. Basically I think I want to infiltrate the chaplain, reivers, and power sword intercessors, and gun line the rest. Are the inceptors that useful though? I'm thinking about dropping them to bulk out the reivers to 10 and throw in a power sword lieutenant to infiltrate along with the chaplain.
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>>54799420
>linking 'SoB are totes coming in February 2016'
>linking 'SoB are totes coming End of 2016'
>linking 'SoB aren't coming... yet... totally coming guys!'

Lol. She is useless and should be ignored. She gets her information from a 3rd party.
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>>54799399
Kars is clearly Fulgrim.
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>>54799370
It's going to be the lion.
Guillman was the obvious first choice since
A) he's the best primarch to fix the imperium
B) he's the primarch of the posterboys
C) he is the primarch who had the best reason for coming back, since his return has been foreshadowed since 2nd ed.

The lion is the next most logical primarch, since his return is also been foreshadowed for a long time, the Dangles are popular and he's one of the best generals of the primarchs. Also, he's a good balance to Guillman.
Russ is probably third, but I could see him getting bumped up to second depending on what happens with magnus in 8th. If 1k sons get more models, I'd expect we'll see yiffs and TS released close to eachother, with russ co ing out of the warp to punch some nerds.

I wonder what he'll look like.
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>>54799432
>He doesn't know how many people love space wolves.
I don't even like lemon rust.
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>>54799446
Sanguinius is in a coffin. Sanguinius confirmed!
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>>54799370
I want Khan, just so I can see what Cawl came up with for the primarch's bike.
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>>54799464
"she"
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>>54799432
Beautiful
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>>54799464
>mfw people actually believe they'll ever re-do an army so few people care about
SoBfags are like the Chaos Dwarf players of 40k.
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>>54799399
go back to tumblr
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>>54799319
looks like Alfabusa and the rest of his friends' work has inspired the folks at Warhammer TV a bit.
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>>54799464
I don't know. I can totally see how Celestine and the Geminae turned into "plastic sisters are coming."
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>>54799306
Looks like an sjw pretty pretty princess reject.

...Pfft.
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>>54799477
More like Sanguinius in a massive death company dreadnought.
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How do you guys transport big guys like Mortarion?

How do existing Magnus users do it?
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>>54799446
Hey tell your Primaris Vox VA to normalise his audio or tone to distortion down. That was grating on the ears.
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>>54799495
What the fuck are you doing with a picture of my pickle?
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>>54799472
Lion isnt a loyalist primarch
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>>54799494
That's my point. But she did force that meme for a couple of years because she got from her source that he had seen a plastic SoB kit (Celestine) and assumed that meant a full re-release was coming. She had to back down and apologise and ended with 'b-b-but they should still be coming ;_; plz don't laugh at me'. She should be ignored out of the fact her source is just, you know, the main person.
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>>54799510
Armored truck.
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>>54799464
She really said that? I must of missed it. Shame, she had seemed pretty reliable.
You're still wrong and everybody else has already accepted that it's clearly not Typhus.
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>>54799510
My bloodthister has his own box
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>>54799370
It'll be Russ so they can do a hashtag savage pairing with Angron. Because Weaties need new models more than EC. Deal with it.
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>>54799415
>>54799423
i barely even dipped the hook in
>>54799434
it's pretty good, the first episode is kinda rough though.
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Regiment tactics when
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>>54799474
>implying that has anything to do with it
If popularity was the determining factor, we would have seen Angron long before Magnus or Morty ever showed up
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>>54799538
not him but she did, pic.
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Reposting to this thread since I accidentally posted to the already dying one:

So I've got time on my hands and against better judgement I decided to give my Dark Heresy 2nd edition inquisitor some stats. How much XP do you guys figure I should give him?
On a similar note, has anyone ever worked out the formula (if there is one) to determining the Threat levels of NPCs?

Also I'll story time Visitors for the inconvenience.
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>>54799522
So why'd he curb stomp Kurz and Morty and prevent his troops fighting for Horus?
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>>54799564
Get out of here tsarist.
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>>54799284
Nth for Guard fags are the only ones who actually play, everyone else just shits posts and takes years to finish one army.
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>>54799510
You shove him up your ass you fucking nintenyearold
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>>54799510
Official GW cases are good for this because of how they work. Otherwise usually the big, awkward minis get their own dedicated shoebox and padding.
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>>54799569
2/4
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>>54799565
magnus makes it even more likely.
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>>54799569
>>54799583
3/4
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>>54799522
Found the butthurt yiff
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>>54799574
>proceeds to starve to death
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>>54799420
>waa the bad man found the glaring flaw in my argument and called my plastic minature by a different name!
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>>54799372
Yeah, I was just thinking that. Personally I think that it wouldn't stack since they both say "can shoot twice", not "shoot an extra time" or something. Wouldn't even make a difference, since 18 shots per bot hitting on 4+ is 9 hits, same as 27 shots hitting on 3+, and you cant reroll fails of 4 because of the new fucked modifier system.

Personally I think that it might be good for Dunecrawlers, since it increases unmodified rolling averages from 1.33 hits to 2 hits, and R1s changes from 1.55 hits to 2.33. An increase in damage of about a third (normal) or a half (R1) is no joke, although it makes me even MORE salty that Canticle 6 isn't a flat +1 To Hit instead of R1.
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New Typhus
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>>54799569
>>54799583
>>54799600
4/4
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>>54799279

Based GW telling the entire fanbase that they're going to 'fudge the numbers' for the campaign point blank and people think its just for a laff.

BASED
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>>54799463
I personally prefer using scouts to block enemy units from comming down within 9" on my units and/or have something to block cc-units in general.

5 Reivers seems not enough for me. They are good enough if you get them and the Inceptors in together, but that means you can only ever attack one unit at a time.

Overall I would drop one of the characters and try to get secound Hellblaster squad in. It's the only decent thing against high-toughness models.
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>54799617
What, you wanted a (You) with this post? Too bad.
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>>54799607
Not before beating Vostroyan traitors to the people to death with the butt of a rifle because of a lack of ammunition.
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>>54799363
Weirdly agree. He should have more mosquito to him.
As it is he looks less daemony than Big n' Red.
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>>54799425
That is a nice Scythe you have there, Brother.

But I'll break it so you won't be able kill anymore MEQ's.

By that, I mean I'll break your arm.
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I havent been keeping up what is this do we know?
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>>54799565
Nah. Khorne is popular, but as an individual character Magnus has always been the most popular Daemon Primarch due to the tragedy of his reckless warning and the drama of the burning of Prospero.
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>>54799370
No one cares.
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So, it's been a fun start to week three of the campaign for me....

>be Necron play.
>excited for the start of week 3 of Fate of Konor.
>promising game against Imperial Guard player I have fought before.
>1500 point game
>Watch as I get destroyed by a table of conscripts and tanks.
>RP gets me 10 warriors back over the entire game.
>guard player informs me that Necrons are OP cheese because of RP, as my second Annihilation Barge is destroyed by a few points of infantry.
>rest of the army killed by conscripts and a leman Russ character tank with 2+ rerollable hits.
>realise that my Necrons are clearly OP cheesemongering faggots.

I'm sorry guys. All of you calling Necrons OP were right. It's just that every necron player is bad. It was just a coincidence that all of the good Necron players dropped the army when 8th edition was released.

That is all.
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>>54799472
I'm so upset they are bringing more primarchs and demon primarchs. They give them shit models, shit reasons for being there and it just ruins everything. 8th edition was starting to be so amazing, now it's quickly turning to shit.
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>>54799644
But with the Primarch comes the new models and new Khorne models would be much more popular than fucking Ksons.
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>>54799657
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Is no one gonna point out that the Redemptor dreads look like the old derby Ork dreads for yore?
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>>54799564
Enjoy your plus 1 leadership and that's it.
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>>54799644
True enough, I'll concede that
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>>54799668
To be fair the Loyalist primarchs are more of a stretch than the Chaos ones. Half of the Chaos ones have still been around doing shit, we just didn't have models for them.
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>>54799654

>t.xenosfag
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>>54799636
>Girlyman talks shit only while the really scary Chaos Primarch fighters aren't around
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>>54799696
It's the fact that such huge characters are walking on the game field all the time that's the problem. They are similar to knights and super heavies. Something that big has no place in normal games. It makes them 10x less fun and encourages people to bring stupid lists.
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Attention chaos players, we can take this world if we send in all of our Soul Grinders in one giant grind fest! Pour them all in!
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>>54799677
If you're blind drunk or high as a kite maybe.
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>>54799718

where this soul grinder meme pop up from all of a sudden
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>>54799639
Plagueburster Crawler or some shit. It's a siege tank that throws giant cysts filled with crap and stuff. Ever seen those things some women give birth too? You know big balls of flesh and blood with bone shards and shit in? Like that.

>>54799654
I SAID NO BULLY LAST THREAD AND I MEANT IT! NO. BULLY.
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>Manletarion
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>>54799446
>In the Dark
>Corax's armour is Dark
>Corax has a Dark personality

Corax next confirmed!
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>>54799731
>I SAID NO BULLY LAST THREAD AND I MEANT IT! NO. BULLY
Oh yeah? What are you going to do about it faggot?
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>>54799713
He faced:
Lorgar
Angron
Fulgrim
Curze
Alpharius(?)
Magnus in deamon form

Ferrus could learn a few lessons about facing other Primarchs and not get killed.
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>>54799617
>Horrible head
>Hand gun

I mean, it's going to be a bit of converting work, but i'll be disappointed if this is Typhus, especially since the Lord of Contagion has that back banner and a bigger, meaner base.
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>>54799731
cheers
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>>54799731
>You know big balls of flesh and blood with bone shards and shit in?
you mean children?
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>>54799716
If you want to start that discussion we need to go back to the introduction of the Baneblade to a standard codex. We're down the rabbit hole, there's no coming back.
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>>54799754

Well it's got his weapon, the horn, the pipes on the back and an updated cataphractii armor
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>>54799306
Reveal video has based.
Loving the new death guard models
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>>54799729
He's been trying to brute-force it every thread since the start of the Konor campaign. Almost nobody gives him (You)'s so Emperor knows why he keeps doing this.
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>>54799754

Also it has the arm gun the Forge World model has

It's Typhus
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>>54799777
>777

Nurgle bless.
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>>54799753
From memory didn't Angron stomp him the fuck out AFTER fighting non-stop against Ultramarines for a few days and the only reason he didn't finish Robbo off was because he was busy ascending/fighting off the old Legion Master of the WEs in a Contemptor Dread/consuming vast quantities of his own legion's librarians?
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You know, for all the faggots vs yiffs shit that gets thrown around I just really want Russ and the Lion to be reunited and go on a galactic bender like the bros they are.
Also the reactions of their respective legions would be funny
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>>54799754

Maybe this dude off to the side is The Typhus
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>>54799510
Avatar fags plz git out an stay git out>>54799511
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>>54799517
>my
now it's ours
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>>54799791

>thinking they are bros after Russ' cheapshot
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Reminder that Guardfags are not only the only guys who actually paint and play the game, but actually take steps to improve their own work. Truly a Kino playerbase
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>>54799713
While Guillman isn't the best fighter primarch by far, he has little to fear from his brothers. At this point he's faced:
Lorgar
Angron
Curze
Daemon primarch Magnus
Alphameme, though not sure if this will remain canon
And fulgrim, who he lost to only because of his pride, something he's sworn to never do again.
He'll face mortarion and probably win

The only traitors he hasn't faced are pert (but who gives a shit, pert isn't known for his combat ability) and horus, who's dead. All that, and he's still kicking.
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>>54799808
Do people really post without knowing any lore?
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>>54799806
Do you know how hard it was to dry that fucking thing off enough to draw on it with a texta? I should have a fucking patent on the process.
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>>54799821

>russ and lion are bros

I can say the same to you
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>>54799787
Just look at that cute little fellow !
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>>54799781
He wants someone to do a game with nothing but grinders on one side thinking artillery only is the best idea ever.
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>>54799617
New typhus will have a larger base because hes an HQ
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>>54799853

I think that's a generic new deathshroud terminator.

Typhus will be more crowded and colorful in nuGW fashion
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>>54799847
Not gonna lie, I would like to see someone try that....
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>>54799808
Didn't the Lion get his revenge later one when he fucking shanked Russ
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>>54799747
END OF LINE. NO MORE BULLYING.

>>54799763
I knew somebody would say this, but no. I forget their names.
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>>54799754
Most likely it's not. The horned helm is very generic for DG terminators in general, as are sycthes.
You can see the stubby outlets are literally on the next terminator model on the right (right before the Mortarion focus), so again, no prove.

The only really distinguishing about Typhus in the first place is the gasmask style addition on his helmet and the destroyer hive, pouring out of his body.
Can't see any of that on this model.

If it is the new Typhus they made him very indistinguishable compared to any generic DG-terminator. Which is unlikely.
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when?
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>>54799716
Personally I like people bringing "OMG MEGAIMPORTANT UBERPOWERFUL" characters like Guilliman or the Yncarne or even Magnus to games because killing them with glorious NPC Race feels so right. Yeah we killed the Lord Commander of the Imperium and his elite guard, thus crippling the new Imperium, what are you going to do about it? Kill me? I brought some dime-a-dozen tanks and boops, and my ally brought a bunch of literally born-yesterday bugs.

The problem IMO is that rules writers make them undercosted as hell, and then they and the players justify that with "He's a Primarch, he's meant to be OP". Strong, yeah, but they don't all need to be 200pts undercosted. They can be costed appropriately for their strength, like Titans, Knights and all the other superheavies and Daemon Lords.
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>>54799847
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I
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>>54799880
I'll bully all I want and you can do nothing about it.
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Is there a chinesse fella that sells miniatures? I know some folks from my LCG buy his stuff, heard it is really cheap. Could not find it on my own maybe some of you know of him?
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>>54799872
tfw day-glo typhus will be ready to rave with new morty
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>>54799896
Next edition at minimum.
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>>54799880
placenta maybe? I mean that's all fleshy but no bones or faeces (sort of I'm pretty sure the amniotic fluid has passed though the child a few times)
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>>54799902
N-no! I s-said no bullying!
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>>54799912
go home GW
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>>54799912
http://www.mirandairene.com/
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>>54799896
>has taken 10,000 years to try and make the new man
>still hasn't done it
>implying he'll be able to copy primaris anytime soon when it took a savant like cawl 10,000 years, and that was with the emperor's notes
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>>54799790
Nah, Martial HONOR ANGRON who talks about honor like an edgy teenager went after Roboute when Guilliman was figthing one on one against Lorgar, who was losing like a little bitch. But instead of letting the two fight with honor, he just jumps into Guilliman.

And Angron was "figthing" for days against regular humans of the slave planet he was raised. Because he was literally "triggered".
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>>54799899
not following
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>>54799912
Lurk moar.
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>>54799370
>Russ appeared during Warzone Fenris (though only for a few mins).

In what scene does Russ appear during Warzone Fenris?
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>>54799912
>>/r/eddit/
has the answers you seek
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>>54799839
Alright scrub, here's your lesson.
You're right, they hate each other at first, but after both failing to reach Terra on time the Lion confronted Russ again in the palace and demanded that they settle the fight. Russ was sick of all the fighting and so made no effort to defend himself as the Lion poised to kill him with his sword. He stabbed through one heart but then realised what the fuck he was doing and turned his blade aside before it pierced Russ' second.
After Russ came to, they made up and swore never to fight again and became best buddies etc etc. When Russ received word that Lion had been killed he mourned as if one of his own had been killed even though he could never believe he was dead.
Source: Old fluff and that newish Russ book
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>>54799922
Nah. It's not live births. It's when a mistake has happened. You give birth to a big mush.

>>54799928
If GW came here they'd have been closed down long ago. I've often been tempted to get all information and then ask GW for payment for information.
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>>54799927
I'll bully all I want. Now give me your milk money, nerd.
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>>54799812
Guard are same tier as Dark Eldar. But yeah that is the topmost tier.
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>>54799941
>You give birth to a big mush
A miscarriage?
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>>54799896
Hopefully soon so I can jump between using intercessors in both chaos and imperial armies. I like being able to go back and forth with the models damnit
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>>54799937
Near the end. 1K Sons are retreating backwards over lava and he can't follow. Suddenly he looks into the swirling haze of a blizzard that's arrived and sees Russ growing and tells him he's pathetic or use the way of the wolf or some shit, then disappears.
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>>54799617
Nope.

just a DG Terminator. there's an identical one on the far right.
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>>54799896
I have a $15 bet with a friend that by 9th standard marines will be out and Primaris marines will drop the 'Primaris' title and simply be the standard marines for both Loyalist and I'm guessing they'll do Chaos Primaris marines with a new Abaddon and a bunch of stuff to bring the whole Chaos range into line with the aesthetic they've been doing for Undivided marines since Dark Vengeance.
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>>54799937
It was just Logan hallucinating somewhere during the final fights of the book.
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>>54799931
The dark eldar must have trained him wrong as a joke
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>>54799941
>then ask GW for payment for information.

Cringe.
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>>54799938
/o/k
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What models can I use a base to convert into Poxwalkers?

I've got a tub full of Blight King and Plaguebearer bitz to explot.

I modified the DI monopose sculpts so they weren't identical, but I want some different looking guys and some different silhouettes
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>>54799956
A specific kind, maybe.
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>>54799657
Keep saying nu quantum shields should be super high T, degrading.

>>54799675
>cannot unkek
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>>54799941
>ask GW for payment for information.
You would get nothing (why would they pay you?), and GW literally has no power in China.
You would succeed only in making things more difficult for anonymous for maybe 3 months, max.
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>>54799931
Didn't he literally make a Primarch before Abaddon killed it with his own weapon?
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>>54799968
Sure it was. It was Russ using his connection to Fenris to send a message.

>>54799972
Not really, he has a good idea desu. I might do it. I might just report them anyway for GW to shut down.
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>>54799931
Just force feed it to us like with primaris.
Before 7th edition there where literally no innovations in the imperium for 10'000 years. After the drop of 8th suddenly they can stump out new chapters like it was nothing, ignore the Space Wolves genesead flaw that mad it impossible to create any new chapters for them and equip all of them with new tech.

If GW wants they deus ex machina something. Don't worry about logic or lore.
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>Create a battlefield using the deployment map included with this mission and then set up terrain. The battlefield should contain little cover beyond the odd piece of debris and battlefield detritus, representing the vast blackened plains that once teemed with crops.
>should contain little cover
Oh boy, are you guys ready for week three: gunlines?
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>>54799967
Do you count the new nurgle marines as primarised? Because I don't actually foresee them redoing nurgle for years after they release.
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>>54799933
>all this rationalising
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>>54799977
Stillbirth?
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>>54799999
ALL GUNS BLAZING! Fetch some Judas Priest music and we're good to shoot!
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>>54800004
Yeah I do actually. They've got just as much mass as the Primaris Marines, they're just shorter and stouter. The new ksons are fucking big too.
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>>54799617
more likely just a deathshroud terminator the hive doesn't look big / elegant enough to be typhus
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>>54799965
Hilariously, the one on the right is Typhus, if Lady Atia is correct.
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>>54799896
emperors children release in maybe Jan/Feb.

if I had to Wishlist:
> Lucius ( several black library books, and audio books with new art of him looking THICC)
> Fulgrim
> Fabius Bile
> Noise Marines
> Fabius' nuPrimaris
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>>54799974
Anything basically. Some of the coolest plague zombies I've seen har from someone evenly mixing a box of Cadians and Warhammer fantasy zombies. But you could also use ghouls or even beastmen as a base. Similarly regular CSM cultists with some Nurgle bits could serve well too.
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>>54800022
Then I agree with you.
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>>54799880
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>>54800015
I dunno.
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>New strategem card comes with purchases of Psykers
>Play Necrons
I don't even want the card but this is a personal affront.
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>>54799997
>there where literally no innovations in the imperium for 10'000 years
Anon, you are taking the meme as truth.
There was innovation, but it wasn't on a galactic scale.
You talk a lot of shit and act like you are the arbiter of the lore, but end up showing you are just as ignorant as a 1d4channer.
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>>54799972
>Cringe
Did you actually or are you just spamming that shit like a 13 year old girl?
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>>54799517
IF I SEE ONE MORE *FREAKIN* PICKLE
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>>54800026
>if Lady Atia is correct.
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How do the Chaos Chosen from DV compare in size to the Plague Marines in DI?
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>>54799279
What if tallyman is secretly typhus
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>Imperial citizen designation 8417892 Gamma. You have not reported to worship sermons in 7 days. Explain yourself.

>"Why would I waste my time praying to the Emperor in a sermon when I can pray to him while doing my duty to the Imperium in the manufactorium"?

Would saying that get you executed or given a raise?
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>>54800057
Roughly same height, not nearly as thicc.
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>>54800005
All those delicious Angron cuck fan tears.
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>>54800069
Executed.
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>>54800053
Eh, it's 50/50 chance. Just like with it's real gender.
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>>54800069
Obedience is the highest virtue. Report for execution in 3 weeks at the Arbite precinct citizen.
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>>54800069
Depends.
The Ecclesiarchy wouldn't like it.
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>>54800069
Depends if the mechanicus or the eccleisarchy has more clout on the planet/in the region/within the hive you were at.
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>>54800057
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>>54800069
Ecclesiarchy or factory world?
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>>54799654
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>>54800069
Depending on who asks you may be told that the worship sermons are important for you to understand what you pray to.

Much more likely execution though.
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>>54799965
Alrighty then, guess for the new termintors, based on that screen grab
>T5 4++, 2 wound M4 obviously
>sythe to be +2 str ap-2, D2, either +d3 attacks, or 1 atack for each model within 1"
>bilespewer is the same as the PM one,str 4 re-roll's to wound
>looks to be a heavy varient in the back ground
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>>54800051

>Hello GW, I have important information about recasters that can save your business, but before I share it, you must wire 1 million dollars to my bank account.

Yeah, son, I cringed hard reading that shit.
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>>54800069
depends, who owns you in this scenario?
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>by 42,000, the Emperor is stronger than he ever was in 30k

how can one man be so based?
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>>54800069
>There is a time and place for all things, and the Emperor demands your full attention in reverence, not parti-... No, no, you have a point. Men, kindly escort 8417892 to the surginarium!
>next week, a servitor laden with Imperial prayers has replaced 8417892 Gamma as a warning to those who think they can shirk their duty to the Emperor before all else
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>>54800081
>Angron stomps out Girlyman
>NO IT WASN'T FAIR BECAUSE REASONS
>lolok
>lol cuck cri more
Ultrafags.
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>>54800114
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>>54800117
he doesn't appear to be any stronger than guilliman.
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>>54800109
>Florida Man, having lost his lawsuit, comes up with a new scheme
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>>54800050
Prove me wrong. As far as I remember the lore stated up until the last edition that it was basically tech-heresy to change any of the old patterns and the only "innovations" where rediscovered STCs.

They changed it in the last few years because they had to bring out new models
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>>54799781
Is he the same guy as that shitsters of basshole moron a few months back?
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>>54799931
The New men are done. He just tweaking them from time to time. Millions of New-men live among the Imperials. Slowly breeding and tainting the genepool of mankind. The only way to truly tell them apart from the masses of mankind (without opening them up) is their psychotic and murderous behavior but of course that's not something the Imperium cares about.
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>>54799370
>Sanguinius
>not gonna happen.

Why do retards believe this?
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>>54799941

>If GW came here they'd have been closed down long ago. I've often been tempted to get all information and then ask GW for payment for information.

He's been shut down before and simply reopened again on new details / emails. You can't shut down the chinese guy and FYI GW does browse and lurk places like this and reddit about recasters.
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>>54799974
Well the problem is GW doesn't really have a "citizens" line to use. Considering how badly cadia got blown the fuck out using cadians could be appropriate. Freeguild archers maybe? Probably the most "imperial civillian" model in the line is neophyte hybrids as they sort of wear mining equipment, plus you could make their alienish looks appear nurgly easily enough and remove all the genestealer cult symbols and add chaos stars. Cultists im sure you have considered as well.
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>>54800005
Don't speak of Angron as though he weren't a mad dog if you don't want his actions observed objectively, then.
Crowing that Guilliman could not take on Transfigured Lorgar AND Angron singlehandedly is silly, saying that Angron was justified at any point for his actions moreso.
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>>54800137
I can't imagine that that's actually going to make it to court.
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>>54800127
Well I meant the gif version of that specific picture, but it'll do. Thanks.
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>>54800131
Needs moar nuln oil but surprisingly awesome
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>>54800138
explain centurions
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Why can't I find, Gathering Storm II: Fracture of Biel-Tann? It's pretty much nowhere online, and GW certainly doesn't sell it, what gives?
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>>54800100
Thanks anon. I was considering modding some up to make some Plague Marines, but they're just too tiny

I'm trying to stick within the new scale
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>>54799787
How does that compare to the leaked pictures?
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>>54800145
we are likely to see a plastic Horus model before sanguinius
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>>54799639

I'm hoping that thing isn't Nurgle-specific. Iron Warriors need some artillery available to them.
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>>54800165
>recend edition
>centurios

Did you ever touch anything older then 6th edition?
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>>54799898
a lot of unique units should have a special rule:

If this unit is destroyed, the army controlling it loses.

This would justify how undercosted they are. Only things like Celestine shouldn't have it.
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>>54800166
nobody cares about eldar, not even the eldar
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>>54800175
you mean the tiny ones? Its the same model.
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>>54800182
>called a bile spwer or something
>not DG specfic
good one brother!
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>>54800182
>IW
>no monogods
>getting anything unique
Howling at you RN.
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>>54800147
They really need a "denizens of the grim dark future" line, would make for pretty cool xcom like terror missions
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>>54800153
A) Angron was one of the only Primarchs who had a pretty good reason for turning on the Emperor, first for leaving his men to die when he could have very easily sent the custodes or even his own fucking Legion to save them for literally no reason. Secondly because as an ex-slave he saw the Emperor as an abusive tyrant, which he publicly stated to Russ when his mind was still relatively intact. Right before he stomped his ass into the dust as well.

B) Lorgar backed off once he realised he was actually doing more harm than good by getting involved because Angron had it covered. Guilliman had been fighting Lorgar for like 10 minutes, Angron had been on a multi-day murder spree destroying the culture that had enslaved him.
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>>54800138
The lore states that, and it hasn't been the case at any point.
The existence of the razorback and most models of landraider is innovation, for example. What you are doing is taking at face value what is said and ignoring how in the lore, it's sneered at constantly on the small scale. Hell, BFG shits ALL over that, saying how the last major cruiser designation came about in M36, a completely new design.
The rule against innovation applies to lay people and the ignorant masses, not to anyone with power.
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>>54800182
fortify your bitter heart anon.
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>>54799306
Man that looks underwhelming as all hell
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>>54799841
Dont talk to me or my son ever again
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>>54800222
trips of truth at least you have the tallyman
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>>54800177
Why?
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>>54799370

>no Lion

nice heresy my man
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>>54800204
>Angron was one of the only Primarchs who had a pretty good reason for turning on the Emperor, first for leaving his men to die when he could have very easily sent the custodes or even his own fucking Legion to save them for literally no reason. Secondly because as an ex-slave he saw the Emperor as an abusive tyrant, which he publicly stated to Russ when his mind was still relatively intact. Right before he stomped his ass into the dust as well.
Oh lord, here we go.
How often does it have to be explained to you fags that the emperor had alrwady made peace with the rulers of angrons home, and that angron's allies were khornates, hence why Emps didn't help them? But sure, the emperor was the one in the wrong for not helping worshipers of his greatest enemies
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>>54800213

I'm not even IW, but hot damn does Chaos need some artillery. I suppose they might look good enough in Iron Warriors colors, unless it's for the Death Guard Codex specifically and CSM general ain't gettin' shit.
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>>54799812
I wasn't around for this saga. Does that actually look better than his old stuff?
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>>54800167
Well some of that is the base. Put the chosen in a 32mm rather than 25mm and it would be closer.
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>>54800255
I believe chaos in general aint gettin shit.
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>>54799898
>undercosted
Because most are 1 trick ponies that require CC in order to be useful in battle, and are taken primarily for their tactical support, not their killiness.
Even in 30k, I'd rather take a fellblade than a primarch for a comparable amount of points, being just as hardy, far more killy at range and far less a REEEE magnet by people like you.
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For a new player interested in getting into Aeldari, is it feasible from a competitive standpoint to go full Dark Aeldari? Or should I simply bow to the new Ynnari master race? I want to build a 'pure' army so either all Aeldari or all Dark Aeldari but I also don't want to get my shit kicked in every game.
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>>54800255
Defiler just got made way cheaper in the CSM codex. Vindicators are apparently just going to remain pretty lame.
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>>54800255
Would have been neat if the IW <legion> super-power was to field BS4 3+ guard artillery and the Alpha legion one was like the GSC allied guard detachment thing
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>>54800252
>I chose an alliance with a literal who planet over my actual son
>Why didn't he like me after that?
He had no issue bringing Lorgar in and his planet were literal Chaos worshippers prior to changing to Emperor worship. Fuck, he didn't even greet Angron he just teleported him into a room on a space ship and told the World Eaters it was up to them to get Angron on board after coming from a feudal world without even an explanation of what space is.
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>>54800182
>Literally could just sell us the Basilisk in a rebox for IW
>Doesn't

Why does GW hate us?
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>>54799367
>the positioning of his legs is bad
I don't understand how you can think this unless you are mistaken about something.
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>>54799522

Fuck off scum. Loyalty is its own reward.
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>>54800252
Source of them being Khornates?

Also all what Angron ever wanted was the truth. Yeah, really. He just wanted to know why he was treated that why. Can you imagine how awful he felt when he saw his brothers being treated with kindness when he wasn't? That tore him apart that he was never been told why.
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>>54800293
Yes. DE hasn't been winning the 8th Ed. tournies so far but their win percentage in tournament is still very strong. Unlike Battle Focus, Power from Pain is a very good rule, so it's worthwhile going non-Ynnari DE.
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>>54800324
>I'm a demon lord for the god of death and plague
>when I fly I position my legs in such a way as to appear as if I am skipping
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>>54800329
Place your bets
Will the FW model or the GW model be the best?
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>>54800124
C'mon cuck, go suck Khorne dick while Logar cheats on you with him.
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>>54800290
30k Primarchs are totally fine, I'm talking about "doubles the power of every gun within 6", outpunches two Knights, can't be targeted, tougher than a Land Raider and can respawn while throwing out a bunch of 12" auras" Guilliman who costs as much as two medium tanks. He needs to be around 520 at least. If he had no weapons whatsoever he'd still easily be worth taking.
Magnus isn't much better, given he can easily T1 charge, blow up a unit and chop down another one per turn, although he at least can be targeted and stopped so I don't mind him so much.
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>>54800336
he doesnt have it I have never heard that and I am a khornefag
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>>54799306
I like the model. I'm surprised its gotten this reaction, he's meant to be a daemon primarch, not a GUO or something. Especially considering mortarion's relatively anti-nurgle stance for a follower of nurgle. The nurglings all emulating his cowl is a lovely touch. I wonder if it will have options like magnus had 3 heads?
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>>54800182
>New player
>Really like the IW and Wordbearer colour schemes and their forgeworld stuff
>Mfw not sure if i should pick either one since they seem to get the shaft when it comes to rules

Maybe the codex will help me decide when it comes out...
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>>54800357

FW models have been better every time so far, I doubt that'll ever change.
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>>54800358
Goddem.
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>>54800329
>posting fan art still
Don't make me post officially canon art! ;)
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>>54800349
So when superman does it it makes sense but for mortarion its girly. It is clearly meant to look as if he just leaped and it does.
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>>54800380
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>>54800318
That is bullshit:

"It was around this time that the Emperor came to this world, drawn in by the psychic aura of the Primarch. The Emperor had observed Angron from orbit for some time, watching with pride as he led slaves in battle. Now he descended to the planet's surface offering Angron leadership of the World Eaters Space Marine Legion and a place at his side. But to the Emperors, surprise, Angron refused. His place was here, with his fellows slaves, and he would die before deserting them. Angron and the slaves dug their graves during the night, a signal to their enemies that they would fight to the death before surrendering".

--Pg. 15, Index Astartes Vol.2, Chosen of Khorne by Graham Mcneil.

Angron was always a pissyboy that hated his father because he couldn't act like a damn stupid asshole.
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>>54800384
>tfw think the Guilliman from FW is one of the best GW models of all time
>hate Ultramarines
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>>54800380
Choose the Iron Warriors my bitter brother
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>>54800389
better?
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>>54800360
>30k Primarchs are totally fine
Most of what you just said applies to the 30k primarches as well, nearly all are between 4-500.
Hell, 30k Guilliman is arguably as good as 40k in terms of legion support and is far more versatile in use.
>>54800369
>khornefag would know about something that would strip him of his righteous indignation
Right.
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>>54800380
As far as i can remember IW is beyond dogshit whilst wordbearers are the best daemon summoners in the game so they have a niche there that nobody else can have. The rerolls on morale is also rather useful if you want to run 2 heavy weapons in your CSM squads or want to use cultists.
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>>54800418
>Mfw remembering that Curze nearly killed Dorn

Heh, stupid Banana
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>>54800406
Perty is hands down the best FW one. Corax is shit cause of face. Russ is shit cause of face.

>>54800418
>posting old art
Wew lad.
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>>54800212
That is a valid argument and I can accept. You've proven me wrong.

The point I actually wanted to make it is irrelevant what logic would imply, GW can change the lore and what actually happens at any point.
Before the Swarm Lord Calgar was crippled standing his ground against a massive horde of smaller Tyranid creatures, fighting on while they ripped his body apart.

GW chances the lore more often then people like to admit. Some stuff is necessary to make a sense of the mess of background they created over the years.
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>>54800387
We all know that Chaos is one big incest sausage fest. I mean, thats why Slaneshh is part of it.
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>>54800419
no source though
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>>54800403
It does beg the question of why Emps didn't just send down the World Eaters or some other Imperial forces to back Angron up, it might've kept his betrayal from happening in the first place.
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>>54800401
Man, the old sculpts just can't hold a candle to the new stuff.
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>>54799306
Only thing I'd change is that fucking horrible Nagash looking scythe. Otherwise, pretty neat.
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>>54800414
dawww they look so cute!
Chibi marines
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>>54800403
>and he would die before deserting them.
understandable, the emp should have said
>K, you guys can all come along, here have some gene upgrades and shit, you cna use them as your chosen or whatever

or

>K, you'll all die unless i do something, so here are some dude, also i'll fight alongside you to earn your trust

either one really would have worked, instead the emp chose the most dickish think he could
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>>54800403
>>54800403
No one of the Primarchs would have abandoned their people at their time of need. The Emperor in this old lore could have helped Angron and then procceeded with convincing him and then kidnapping him if he refused. These slaves were innocents. They deserve to be saved.
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>>54800318
>>I chose an alliance with a literal who planet over my actual son
Except the planet had a great amount of DAoT stuff, which the emperor wanted.
>He had no issue bringing Lorgar in and his planet were literal Chaos worshippers prior to changing to Emperor worship.
Top kek, yes he did. He told lorgar to knock that shit off eventually resulting in monarcia. And as you said, the chaos worshipers on lorgars home had been defeated, or lied about their allegiance to emperor worship,
>Fuck, he didn't even greet Angron he just teleported him into a room on a space ship
That's incorrect. Emperor and some custodes teleported down to the front lines, offered him control of a legion and angron said fuck off. Then emps left, and only teleported him up when it was clear he would die otherwise.
> and told the World Eaters it was up to them to get Angron on board after coming from a feudal world without even an explanation of what space is.
Nuceria was a civilized world, not feudal. And do you really want to talk about how angron handled his legion? How he butchered 8 captians, legion veterans, because he was mad? How he installed the butcher's nails, making them into inhumane killers? How he continued to do that even after the emperor told him to stop publicly? How he commited brutal genocide across the galaxy that made the emperor and his bortheres disgusted (and they weren't saints either) massacring millions if not billions of innocents, making him far far far far far far worse than his owners on nuceria ever were?
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>>54800435
The best answer is angron failed to even conquer his world, something lorgar actually did. The emperor was disappoint. Even more, Angron was damaged. so he went fuck it and chucked him on a flag ship and went back to conquering.
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>>54800403
>Hey dude, I'm your dad, I know your secret Primarch element is brotherhood but abandon your bros to come oppress local peasants for me
>no my place is here
>Could have earned his son's undying loyalty as well as bonded the War Hounds to Nuceria and given them a true home world
>well, no other choice, not like I literally have both the War Hounds and the Custodes in fucking orbit, gotta teleport him onto the War Hounds ship then piss off without so much as a toodle doo
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>>54800435
Because Angron told him to fuck himself dude. He clearly WANTED to die there.
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>STILL no pictures of Mortari-

NANI?!
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>>54800451
Actually the best is a mix of old and new sculpts. Taking parts from both results in some gorgeous looking minis. Taking new non squatting legs, but also old but better looking heads or shoulder pads for example
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>>54799753
Aside from Ferrus dying to Fulgrim, he has also almost always been on the losing end when fighting other primarchs, more recently the SoS had to bail him out when he faced Magnus on Luna, or Robby G might have bit the bullet less then a month after revivng.

Mortarion in my memory instead had a pretty good showing against the Khan, and what ultimately won the day for the Scars was that they outsmarted Morty, not outmuscled him.
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This is the first time i've ever seen the "animal head" keeper of secrets look cool. Shame i wouldn't get to use it half the time (games at their store) if i got it since GW aren't satisfied to have you interested in their game and buying their shit, they need you to be completely devoted to them.
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>>54800322
I know this is probably a dumb question but I don't play Chaos; do FW not give you access to their Legion [artillery piece] units?
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>>54800461
>worshipers of khorne
>innocents
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What's his name /tg/?

Tainted Tallyman?

Afflicted Arithmetician?

Contagious Calculator?

Malignant Mathematician?
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>>54800428
then post something newer
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>>54800489
honestly , any of thoses apart from the first would be rad as fuck
the first is just dull
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>>54799619
thank you anonymous very cool
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>>54800472
>>54800463
No, he said he'd rather die than desert his fellow slaves. He didn't say anything about what would've happen if his rebellion succeeded.
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>>54800489
Addicus Rot
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>>54800428

Haha yeah, fuck that old art! Here's his NEW, updated look.
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>>54800479
https://www.creaturecaster.com/products/lady-of-corruption

Would totally get this if i was playing Slaanesh daemons or Emperor's children.
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>>54800429
>Before the Swarm Lord Calgar was crippled standing his ground against a massive horde of smaller Tyranid creatures, fighting on while they ripped his body apart.
That's because they based that lore on a batrep during the Battle for Maccrage campaign, and romanticized it. In the batrep, Calgar was taken down by a cluster of spore mines.
>>54800435
Angron was, whether or not people want to admit, damaged goods at best, serviceable only due to his superhuman nature. Comes a point where you realize what you have.
Maybe the Emperor also assumed, at some point, that feeding a rabid dog meat would keep him tame, or, even more amazing, would realize that the Emperor and his legions were humanity's best chance in the galaxy?
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>>54800462
He is making stuff up. Cite sources.

The Emperpr ha wrecked advanced human planets with STC before. So bullshit on everything you wrong.
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>>54800489
counting chink
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>>54800461
>These slaves were chaos tainted. They deserved to be given the Emperor's mercy.

FTFY
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>>54800489
Percy.
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>>54800507
>Giving Sanguinius dreads
WHY
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>>54800493
See >>54800507
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>>54800489
He is Tallyman. He is the reason Chaos wins anything. When he fudge numbers, Chaos wins. There was once 20 Primarchs, then he fudged numbers, now there are 18.
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>>54800489
Dank memebrancer
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>>54800414
Are you building at work?
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>>54800188
Characters with this auto-lose rule could have 0 cost, and still be considered overcosted.
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>>54800522
Because artists forever copied old art of him. This is what they should have copied, instead they did the one where he's on the throne looking emo.
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>>54800515
Not ones that had agreeded to join him.
And once again, why on earth would the emperor help angron's Khorne worshiper allies? Thst makes no sense.
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>>54800514
So what, did the Emperor decide it was a better idea to give said rabid dog a reason to hate him on a personal level?
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>>54800403
>‘We swore an oath,’ Angron went on, his voice dropping to a groan like wrenching steel. ‘On the road to Desh’ea I had each of them cut a new scar for my rope, and I cut theirs. And we swore an oath that by the end of all of our lives we’d cut the high-riders a scar that would bleed for a hundred years!’ Despite himself,
Kharn’s hands came up as Angron’s grip tightened around his neck and he fought the urge to try and grapple free. ‘A wound
their great-grandwhelps would still cry from! A wound to haunt any of them who dared look on the hot dust again!’ Angron’s grip shifted, and air flooded back into Kharn’s lungs. He hung
half-kneeling with one of the primarch’s hands pressed into each side of his head. ‘All this,’ Angron said softly, ‘and even my sworn oath wasn’t enough.’ He parted his hands and let Kharn crumple to the floor. ‘Because I don’t even know how they died.’

Hey dude, forget all that, let's go space pillaging instead!

Hard to imagine why he'd want to stay with his people when they needed him most.
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>>54800507
DELET THIS
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>>54800522

nigga they are clearly going for something like this
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>>54800548
>Khorne worshipper
Gonna need a source on that. You know, considering Angron was their leader and didn't even know who Khorne was prior to becoming a daemon prince.
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>>54800461
>No one of the Primarchs had failed to bring their planet to heel, save Angron
>>54800515
The goddamn 30k books, anon, if you followed the lore, you would know this.
Point is, Angron REFUSED THE LEGION.
He wanted to die fighting, not win the day. Surviving with his brothers and sisters was not what he wanted, he wanted to die in a futile last stand.
>>54800545
So who remembers Necron phase out, and how great a rule that was?
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>>54799214
So, CSM fags have finally gave up any hope of winning?
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>>54800569
THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS >>54800547
I LITERALLY USE TO HATE THAT PICTURE BUT IT'S A BAJILLION TIMES BETTER THAN RASTAFARIAN CRACKHEAD SANGUINIUS
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>That video
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>>54800548
Cite the fluff about them being khornates.
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>>54800522
Those are just weirdly thick curls, anon.
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>>54800544
Damn right. I've got a great job where I pretty much have a shit load of free time
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>>54800507
dude needs to shave, or dye his hair or something. Who does he think he is? me?
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>>54800579
>Anime Kat
That's a real place? wew.
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>>54800463
>enslaved since childhood and under high security at all times
>having literally nails put into his brain
>Random dude comes, wants to take the only thing you had (your honor) away from you.

Big E really is the most empathetic and understanding father there ever was.
And It's totally Angrons fault not to be found by a wise mentor figure that give him the change to build up to the point he could take over the world like almost all his other brothers.

Clearly you are right worshipping the glory that is Girlyman.
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>>54800507
Well it's a good thing that FW doesn't go off BL art when designing their primarch models then
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>>54800576
>>No one of the Primarchs had failed to bring their planet to heel, save Angron
Wasn't he right in the middle of leading a Spartacus slave revolt? Hell, at least the Night Haunter started with nothing instead of being cast into slavery as an infant.
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>>54800512
Eh, i wanted to like that one (check out the alternate head for it though, that shit's amazing) but it just doesn't do it for me. Both it and the spider demon look weird because of the chitinous armor and the lack of multi-tits. They really need to look more fleshy and less kerrigan from starcraft.
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>>54800337
Thanks anon, now I just have to decide one way or another
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>>54800557
Harder to imagine why he refused the might of a legion of superwarriors in the face of a battle he didn't think he could win (and proceeded to lose, only surviving because the Emperor saved him when all was lost).
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>>54800576
>The goddamn 30k books, anon, if you followed the lore, you would know this.

That's a non-answer. Books and chapters please. Better yet copypasta.
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>>54800507
It is called the Ruinstorm...

>>54800602
No, but they have an artist who does hungry skeleton faces. Sanguinius is also suppose to be godlike beauty, better than Fulgrim which made Fulgrim jelly; yet there he looks ugly. I see FW fucking it up.
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>>54800419
Looking at the Primarch who is best at Legion support, Alpharius, he provides PE to his Legion and carries a nuncio-vox and Cameoline.

That's considerably off from letting his entire main firebase reroll everything, have better morale, providing three more Command Points to reroll anything and do a bunch of other stuff besides, add 1/3 of your CP back and LITERALLY RESPAWN. Alpharius and 30k Guilliman are also more expensive, less punchy since 40kG has a 3++ and aren't immune to being shot at since you can target the retinue. Also, Knights to 30k space dads are serious threats, whereas he can fairly easily kill them.

How is 30k Gulli more versatile when his buffs provide one rule to one unit type that's equivalent to rerolling wounds against a specific target (Tank Hunters), plus 1 Ld, reroll seize and Fleet to his bodyguard? That's WAY less.

450ish points is the norm for 30k Primarchs, he is considerably better than one of those and hasn't got the LOW 25% restriction which means the rules writers keep them at no more than 500pts, hence he should probably be about 550.
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>>54800605
He was, but he was going to die.
They were trapped in a place where there was no escape, with spears and swords and axes against riflemen.
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>>54800600
Yeah, Kurze surely had lot of troubles not having a wise mentor.
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>>54800480
As far as I know they don't, can someone confirm or deny?
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>>54799370
The lion according to old rumours, something to do with the fallen.
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>>54800489
Tallyman!
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>>54800626
Fulgrim's model's face is pretty bad.
And if Angelos is anything to go by they are losing their touch when it comes to making faces for their miniatures.
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>>54800489
Filthy Fudger
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>>54800616
>refused
You generally have to be offered something for it to be refused.

Why were you different?’ Lorgar asked. ‘Why did our father treat you as he did?’
Angron shrugged away from the insipid kindness in his brother’s tone. ‘You kept that mule Kor Phaeron. Russ kept his kin-friends. The Lion kept Luther. Humans – brothers and foster fathers – saved and raised into Legion ranks. But not me. Not Angron, no. Did the Emperor teleport his gold-wrapped Custodians down to help me and my army? No. Did he free the War Hounds and order them to battle, to fight alongside me? No. Did he save my brothers and sisters the way he spared and honoured the Lion’s closest kin? The way he honoured Kor Phaeron? No, no, and no. No mercy for Angron. Angron the Oathbreaker. Angron the Betrayer.
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>>54800654
Exactly. I think they moved the FW sculptors to GW.
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>>54800489
Abacus Abattoir
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>>54800636
Fulgrim took a snipers round through the brain and grew it back in about 3 seconds. Even if they had been carrying lascannons angron could have defeated all of them.
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What shade of blue should I use to paint my Librarian? Thinking either Macragge or Kantor.
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>>54800177
We are likely to see both of them before the end of 8th edition.

That's why Abaddon hasn't been updated yet. He'll get pushed aside for nu-Horus, just like Calgar was pushed aside for Guilliman, Ahriman for Magnus, and now Typhus for Mortarion. He'll get a shiny new model just in time for him to be less relevant than ever.
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>>54800666
Angron wanted to die though, he wanted a warrior's death with the people he considered his family.
I'm not sure how much difference that mentality makes with a primarch, but it might have been significant.
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>>54800672
>implying we won't get demon Abaddon

Horus would hold no sway over the Black Legion, the Sons of Horus were disbanded, they didn't become the Black Legion.
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>>54800177
>plastic Horus

Funny way to spell Be'lakor the Chaos Ascendant.
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>>54800688
>Demon Abbadon

Way to miss the entire point of his character.
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>>54800600
As one khorne fag to another, angron pussed out. If he hadn't wanted to live, he should've died trying to kill the emperor. But instead he wimps out and kills thousands of worlds for his high rider daddy. Then when Horus says I'm the high rider now, he goes ok and fucks up his plans on istvaan. He's basically retarded. Stop making chaos primarchs tragic.
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Power sword on intercessor sergeant a good idea?
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>>54800688
And if the new novel excerpt referring to Horus as a "deluded fool" by someone other than Abaddon is any indication, even if Horus somehow did get resurrected his Legion would hate his guts for failing them the first time around.
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>>54800687
He didn't want to die, he just didn't want to leave his comrades to die without him.
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>>54800672
>Carnac's face when
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>>54800489
Pestilent Pythagoras
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>>54800646
There were once 20

You illiterate fuck
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>>54800698
No one gives a shit about a crappy chaos daemon from WHFB. People love the Primarchs. Magnus is more popular than Kairos. Angron is more popular than Skarbrand. Be'lakor will never mean shit in the greater lore of 40k because he's a boring-ass daemon, not a Primarch.
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What's the most overpowered faction in 8e?
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>>54800711
Yes. He gets an extra attack with it compared to marinelets.
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>>54800711
4pts for a 3A dude with 4-9 Wounds.
>Bonus points is give the Sergeant the Grenade Launcher so he's the only model that matters in his unit
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>>54800587
You lucky fuck. I have tons of time at mine but they took our cube walls so i can't take advantage.
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>>54800701
Remember when the Daemon Primarchs were too busy with demon shit to look after their legions? Remember when Loyalist Primarchs weren't being deus machina'd by Eldar hotties? Remember when the Astartes were the pinnacle of the Emperor's work?

All chips are off the table, 8th doesn't play by your rules.
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>>54800734
Right now, Imperial Guard.

Fixes are coming pretty soon.

Also the Chaos Codex might have made them top dog for now but its too early to tell and even if so, don't expect it to last once other Codexes start dropping.
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>>54800730
Actually, Index Chaos lore says Be'lakor will play a crucial role in the setting's ending.
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>>54800704
The most tragic of the chaos primarchs are probably mortarion and kurze. Mortarion was against the imperium but he didn't actually want to serve chaos or anything. Kurze was mentally ill so sucks to be him. Of course the greatest tragedy surrounding a chaos primarch (other than abaddon turning down the horus clone's offer of a hug) is that the dark angels never realized the lion was a traitor.
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>>54800737
>4-9 Wounds
You mean 8 to 18?
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>>54800756
Well no shit, he's the one who's been guiding Abaddon all this time.
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>>54800751
AoS didn't have Archaon ascend to daemonhood. Instead the Chaos Gods boosted his personal power without elevating him to daemonhood.

It will be the same for Abaddon, Both A&A know that daemonhood is worthless.
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>>54800756
The setting is never going to end so it looks like he'll play a crucial role in absolutely nothing.

Also the index lore is some zero effort placeholder shit that no one of importance even wrote because indexes aren't intended to last.
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>>54800756
Be'lakor would make a great focus for a new faction to be honest, he kind of doesn't tie in to daemons very well at the moment because daemons don't exist in undivided form right now. Meanwhile belakor in 40k has ruled over multiple xenos empires over the millienia so if they were ever to do a genestealer cult style mini faction belakor and some new chaos worshipping xenos that praise him above the chaos gods would be a cool way to do it.
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>>54800751
>Remember when Loyalist Primarchs weren't being deus machina'd by Eldar hotties?
Remember when GW had set up Guillman's return 22 years ago?
>Remember when the Astartes were the pinnacle of the Emperor's work?
Custodes have always existed.
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>>54800737
>>54800769
An intercessor sergeant has two wounds
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>>54800777
Trips of truth. Nurgle has spoken.
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>>54800776
GW can't sell a $100+ model of Abaddon on a giant steed like they could with Archaon.
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I'm a little irritated that so far the Admech hasn't had a mention in the Konor campaign fluff, even when fighting on a damned Forge World. It's always "the brave Astartes and Guard". Where's the glorious Dunecrawler columns, the tireless Skitarii firing lines repelling cultist hordes Zulu-style, etcetera? We're pretty suited to exactly the kind of fight that's going on on Planet 3, marching convoys of vehicles and troops under constant attack is exactly how they move Skitarii around the place normally.

Hell, where are the Titans? They should be right up in this blasting away any sizeable concentration of tanks or fortification, it's what they're for.
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>>54800769
I meant min sized (5 dudes)
If they're hit by D2+ attacks the Sergeant can tank 4 of those before dying (by killing his squad mates)

While if they're hit by D1 attacks. The 5 marine squad can take 9 Wounds before the Sergeant dies

>Didn't go about explaining it well the first time.
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>>54800726
But he hates Abaddon cause ADB does.
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>>54800787
He's talking about the ablative wounds from the rest of the squad.
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>>54800799
I play Deathwatch. I literally have two unique units and a special character. I will not get a codex until 9th. Don't fucking complain.
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>>54800802
>Carnac or ADB
>Hate Abaddon
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>>54800819
You play Marines. You just got like 12 new fucking releases. No one gives a shit what special snowflake color of Marines they are, they're still Marines. Fuck off.
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>>54800777
Anon, Be'lakor role since his introduction in his dataslate in 6th ED is to be the "HERALD OF THE END TIMES". His role is to seed plotlines and move the fluff forward.

When the daemon codex comes you better expect that Be'lakor will get a big focus due to his role as plot progress facilitator
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>>54800762
Mort isn't tragic he's another wimp who would rather be a puss-moth then dead and gave into nurgle. He's actually a coward. He should have let himself die at the hands of nurgles rot. I'm going by the old index astartes fluff here though.

Kurze I agree, his circumstances basically made him feral and insane. He is also actually willing to die for what he believes unlike many other traitor primarchs.

guilliman was also a traitor with his unremembered empire.
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>>54800799
>Uhm, why isn't NPC race: Imperium edition doing heroics?!
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>>54800729
WAS YOU FUCKING RETARD
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>>54799812
>Nobody takes this obvious bait
Oh wow that Morty pic must've given everyone something else to complain about
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>>54799980
That would actually be kind of interesting to see stats degrade besides the normal ones
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>>54800514
>That's because they based that lore on a batrep during the Battle for Maccrage campaign, and romanticized it.
Konor doesn't matter confirmed!

And so what if that is the story behind the lore? Fact still remains that they changed it.
And even as a Tyranid player I find the old fluff much better then the new one. "he outsmarted and totally ownd him!" is so fucking generic and boring it sounds as any cheap costum character lore a 15 year old would came up with.
If you replace something at least make it better and more interesting. Not an excuse to make a new character look better.

>Angron was, whether or not people want to admit, damaged goods at best, serviceable only due to his superhuman nature
I agree on the damaged part.
What I don't agree with is that the Emperor did the right thing.
It's always the same (trope) with him: Instead of taking a few hours or even days to work things out he leaves things unsettled so it is even easier for chaos to manipulate the Primarchs.
Just as he could have given Magnus any number of reasons why he shouldn't use his powers. Or explain Leman Russ why and how he should bring Magnus to him so there is no room for silly manipulations like Horus did.

For a beeing of godlike intellect and the power of prevision he really acts like an idiot.

The truth is that most lore isn't writen by some genius and didn't get a revision from professors of psychologie, physics etc. So they are flawed and characters that are supposed to be superhumanly capable are acting like idiots all the time.
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>>54800782
Honestly just going about expanding the Daemon line with a bunch of "neutral" Daemons that CAN be aligned would be cool too.

>While Be'lakor being the named Character for UNALIGNED line.
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>>54800871
its stale bait man.
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>>54800846
You mean Primaris marines? Those units that I get completely cucked on since they don't get any Deathwatch special rules, equipment and miss out on Chapter tactics like everyone else? Those units?
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>>54800855
>he should have died at the hands of nurgles rot
You act like that's a valid choice. If you die to nurgle's rot you become a plaguebearer in the warp. Even if he killed himself he was still going to be nurgle's bitch it wasn't an issue of "convictions".
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>>54800638
Not like he ended up as a crazy psychopath or anything.
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>>54800489
Corrupt Comptroller.
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>>54800729
Was once, dude.
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>>54800896
How would he even know that? He didn't even kill typhus for betraying him. He is apathy incarnate.
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>>54800489
Bile Banker.
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>>54800729
Dude, seriously?
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>>54800819
>Deathwatch
>Tiny elite faction focusing on killteam style deployments, very little influence on wider setting
>Adeptus Mechanicus
>One of the most sprawling and influential parts of the Imperium
Yes these definitely warrant equal focus.
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>>54799446
Dark, Nocturne, etc. I like this.
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>>54799279
>THATS GOING IN THE FUCKING BOOK

nice
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>>54800729
Its funnier this way.
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>>54800851
>since his dataslate in 6th ED
Seed plotlines?
Move the fluff forward?
Fucker hasn't been mentioned since then. Well I suppose he did get some screentime in FoC jobbing to the Fists of all people
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>>54800819
>black marines
>some how different of [colour] marine
Yah no, you could spend a decade without new updates and no one would notice.
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>>54800819
Oh god I hope they don't go down the coxed deathwatch route, it's bad enough with GKs. Hopefully it'll be Codex Imperial agents
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>>54800910
>How would he even know that
For two reasons he would know that, first is he's fucking obsessed with sorcery, chemical weapons and diseases so you better believe where two of those intersect he probably had some knowledge. Secondly he was in the warp with nurgle fucking talking to everyone on the ship. Nurgle probably announced it the second they got there.
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>>54800749
First they took our cube walls, and I did not speak up.
Then they took our staplers, and I did not speak up.
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>currently assembling 20 poxwalkers

Comfy as fuck
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>>54800955
Actually, he made features in an audiobook in the Ahriman series called "The First Prince".

Also it's certain that Be'lakor will also feature in the Black Legion series.
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>>54800883
Bait nontheless, where the only replies are honest agreement.
When do you ever see that?
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>>54800934
Everyone always loves shitting on the Ordo Xenos. One of these days man.
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>>54800995
tallyman can!
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>>54800995
Not anymore. 8th unbound them again.
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I'm getting into 40k and I really like the new Death Guard models. What's their play style like? Are they any good?
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What are you guys putting in your Ynnari lists?
Spammed ravagers with dark lances?
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>>54800995
It's not funny man.
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>>54801025
We don't really know yet.
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>>54801025
Competitively?

Not great at the moment but we haven't sen any new units really.

They play slow and tough, but that doesn't really work that well since you don't really excel at things that actually win games. Killing stuff and taking objectives.
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>>54800967
Why would you believe your enemy who is at that moment torturing you with space aids? Why doesn't he kill typhus for being a filthy sorceror? Or the betrayal he caused.

>Apathy Incarnate thy name is Mortarion.
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>>54800819
You're Marines, you get ALL the forge world toys and lore mentions. We're one of the most widespread and probably the most powerful Adeptus in the Imperium and we haven't been mentioned once when fighting on home turf. If one of the Watch Fortresses was attacked as a campaign planet you bet there would be Deathwatch there getting all the focus.
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>What, you always wanted a terminator army? How would you like if you don't ever get the chance to capture an objective?
>You should have bought Intercessors instead!
t. games workshop
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>>54799279
>>54800646
>>54800995
This new meme is gold
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>>54800995
is this a gag or an actual retcon?
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>>54801019
Sort of. Index describes them as having dozens of crusades with thousands of dudes, then the codex goes and says the crusades are only hundreds of guys.
At this point I suggest everyone just say fuck it and choose what they want, because it's flipped flopped so many times
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>>54800177
Sure, maybe one of Bile's clones, but Horus is mega-soul dead so it won't be Lupercal.

At least there's a chance Sangy (and Ferrus, going by MoM) can come back to do something. Especially if Celestine/other Saints can. The Emperor probably just needs a little more psyker juice.
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>>54800964
You'll all be sorry when the tyranids come and fuck everyone up. You'll all be wondering where the guys who take care of this sort of thing for you went.
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Looks like conscript and boy hordes are back boys.

Ready to get fucked by the lasgun and choppa parade?

It was nice having an edition where marines were good for at least five minute though.
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>>54800819
I play SoB, most of my models are going to be of legal age across the world.

Get on my level scrub!
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>>54800977
>Double 7s
Nice
Hope you're enjoying that, anon!
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>>54800863

Wait, so now all the Xenos and Chaos shit on us for being Imperium and all the Marines shit on us for being an "NPC Race" despite making literally ALL their shit? And the lore writers dislike us too, judging from the recent books.

Sonovabitch, I thought Admech wasn't one of the hated factions when I started them a few months ago. I just want cool bloops that aren't Idiocracy-tier incompetent because the writers need a bloody punching bag to justify the Marines having problems occasionally.
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>>54801056
A shit meme. Black Templars have no set number but they're not codex compliant to 1000.
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>>54801025
Theyre probably good for a new guy. Messy paint looks decent on them, and they are tough. The true secret is to play the army that appeals to you since it will cost soo much money and time. Rules change.
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>>54801052
>waaaah why can't I have a competitive army that spams one unit instead of actually taking strategy into account and having different unit types for each role
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>>54801056
An actual retcon.
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>>54801058
The indexes are quick copypasta from previous lore with little to no editing. Don't trust them above a codex unless the thing they are talking about is new.
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>>54801064
The Imperial Navy, you know the only place that matter when facing nids. Marines just crash ships into nids and hope for victory like idiots.
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>>54801071
Eh, tacs weren't that good even with the rule.

Scouts were far better because you could do cheap scout screens and utterly fuck over deepstrikers.
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>>54801089
No it isn't you shitposting fuck. All GW did was remove the meme that they're exactly 6000.
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>>54801071
GW said on Facebook that they've heard a lot of feedback about this making Orks and Guards OP and are working on addressing it.

Your time is limited friend.
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>>54801071
Conscripts are getting nerfed soon, and Orks haven't really come that close to winning anything.
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>>54801108
Source
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>>54801079
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>>54801071
>horde armies
>in 8e
>where a magic flying daemon can fly in and turn your morale denying character into a gribbly one
>said gribbly one can then turn on your hordes and start forcing morale checks on your suddenly inexplicably low leadership hordes
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>>54800313
>>54800322
You'd give the older playerbase PTSD from 3.5 if you did that.
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>>54801081

Go back to your salt mines fat boy.
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>>54801101
Yeah, fighting a war of attrition with Nids. Sounds like a good plan.
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>>54801081
I like ad mech.
That guys just a fag
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>>54801105
The author that's writing all the new black templar novels has stated that they're numbered only a few tens over the 1000 limit.
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>>54799370
We all know it isn't going to be any of the chapters with rules already in C:SM.

Those kloobs are going to be last.
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>>54801119
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>>54801126
>mfw there have been at least 10 different codices that have broken the game between now and the 3.5 Chaos codex and people still bitch about it
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>>54800467
>All this bitching from Angron fags
>When Mortarion, Sangüinius, Ferrus manus and Corax had grown in similar or worst conditions
>Yet they rise and conquered their world
>Muh tragic hero why couldn't he save their savage khornite warband
>Couldn't even conquer a city
>Had to hide
>Brave and martial primary no one can beat him
>Had to have his ass saved at the end
>Baaaaw why wasn't he allowed to be suicidal those poor frenzy slaves with next to no self control weren't to be blamed
Angron fags are the worst
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>>54801101
>30,000 Marines fought Nids until only a few thousands were left
>hur dur idiots
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Ready to suck my tank column's cock tonight, chaosfags?
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>>54800995
FUCK YEAH NEW MEME
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>>54801170
Cool.
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>>54801159
Well if we go with that, technically every faction is over 1000 Space Marines. Blood Angels number 1250. So I don't believe it. Fuck any forum posts from novel writers, fuck them completely. I read the codex and the codex says otherwise.
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>>54801088
>spams one unit
Nigga there's like 8 or 9 units you can put in a Deathwing army that certainly have and can be equipped for different combat roles
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>>54801143
In space you can. BFG basically told us that Nids are useless in Space. Hit and run or Nova spam gets the work done rather well.
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>>54801174
Imperial fags are such faggots
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>>54801081
>And the lore writers dislike us too, judging from the recent books.
What

Dude calm down and stop whining, as a fellow AdMech player you're making us look bad.
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>>54801174
>implying people wouldn't act the same way about bringing back other broken shit from past editions
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>>54801047
He doesn't kill typhus for being a sorceror because he had before this point realized sorcery was necessary to combat daemons and warp spawn after he was forced to use it against that keeper of secrets or whatever it was. He probably respected typhus for not using it for so long.

Why he didn't kill typhus for the betrayal i have no fucking idea, to be honest considering how little lore there is surrounding what happened immediately after that event i've always assumed he would have but typhus escaped, hence he became "the traveller" and gave the plague planet a wide berth for the rest of his carreer. I find the idea mortarion is apathetic strange, he was one of the more proactive primarchs during his time on barbarus and during the crusade, the heresy he wasn't as much of a major player but that was largely because the concept of "renegade but not chaos" didn't catch on. Basically only he and konrad believed in that and the night lords certainly didn't even if konrad did. It would probably make for a decent one of those alternate universes /tg/ keeps making if the heresy had fractured into more than two sides.

Mortarion, Konrad, Alpharius, maybe gulliman and/or the lion forming a third faction would have been interesting, you could also have mars declare independence for a fourth team and maybe have some xeno-loving humans in there too.
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>>54801203
Dark Angels are 100k+
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>>54801122
You're never going to get a 6" power off against a commissar on a competent player. And I mean like literally never, it's basically impossible.

Go watch how the winning BAO list played.
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>>54801239
They've been around for all of one edition so far, and even then they only existed as two separate half-codexes. Learn some goddamn patience.
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>>54801212
Oh so that's why Tyranids are such an easily defeated foe that has been knocked back quickly and painlessly time and again. Because a minigame from 20 years ago reflect the current fluff.

Oh wait no almost every time it's because space marines, almost always Deathwatch, perform precision strikes that allow the lawnmowers of galactic combat to take down the severely weakened swarms.
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>>54801212
>BFG basically told us that Nids are useless in Space.
Uh. No. No it said pretty much the exact opposite of that. Nids utterly rape the Imperium in space. The Battle for Macragge was the only time they "won" and that was after losing like a quarter of the ships in the entire galaxy.
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>>54800255
It's called a basilisk.

But that was years ago.
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>>54801122
>6” range power
>meaning fuck against any level of competency
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>>54801122
How?
Unless the horde player leave his buffer dude out in the open like some retarded chaos/marine players there is no way you can do that without killing the entire cover squad or snipers.
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>>54801251
Not when there's all this new broken shit lying around the place amirite?
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>>54801277
t. Carnac
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>>54801277
Fake news or Carnac
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Just to make sure, Magnus can use updated Hereticus powers, but can't use CSM Strategems or Warlord Traits?
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>>54801275
>Because a minigame from 20 years ago reflect the current fluff.
It does actually because it was written and designed by the guy who created nids. But they also are top tier in that game so I don't know what that faggot is even talking about. Nova Cannons are fucking garbage and Kraken just outmaneuver and then eat shitty Imperial ships alive.
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>>54801300
>>54801306
Carnac doesn't give a shit about Nids you tards
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>>54800984
Just means that Guardanons truly are best anons. Literally no argument
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>>54801300
>>54801306
>carnac
>in any way making nids seem good
Top kek, lurk moar newfags
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>>54801052
>Why can't I cheat my way to win
WAAC fags tears are the best
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>>54801300
>>54801306
Are you people retarded, Carnac hates Tyranids. What is this, newfag hour?
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>>54801315
Should be good for new powers as his slate STATES he generates powers from that discipline.
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>>54801315
I imagine shit like that will be covered in an updated designer's commentary or FAQ/errata at some point.
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The white bar is so you can remove the imgflip watermark later
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>>54801300
>>54801300
All you fuckers that cry Carnac are worse than actual Carnac. You dip shits give that guy way more power than necessary.
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>>54801320
>It does actually because it was written and designed by the guy who created nids
Ridley Scott?
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>>54801320
>nova cannons
>garbage
Confirmed to never play BFG
It was easy as fuck to hit dead center with those things and table anyone buy turn 3.
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>>54801252
Mortarion doesn't kill Typhus because he simply can't. Nurgle favors Typhus far more than Mortarion, and thus restrains Mortarion from enacting his revenge.

Typhus was the one to deliver the Deathguard and Mortarion to Nurgle. He was the one that roamed the galaxy in the Terminus Est, spreading plague and disease. Typhus is far more proactive.

Mortarion? He sat on the plague planet for who knows how long, than bumbled around in the warp looking for his foster father.

Truthfully, Mortarion still hates himself. Hates what he is, what he does, and yet is too apathetic to do anything to change it.
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>>54801354
Funny, but no, Andy Chambers.
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>>54801315
There was a mention in one of the Warhammer Community articles, that Deathwatch can use the updated Librarius powers, so....why not?
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>>54801320
>nova cannons are fucking garbage
Way to show you never played the game, or only played against shit players
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>>54801336
I assume retard lore is from carnac, mostly used as a catch all term for retards
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>>54801344
Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

Is that +1 invu part of Hereticus?
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>>54801351
ah, wish I'd though of that
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>>54801361
I literally still play the game. Nova Cannons miss more than half the time with the scatter and even when they hit they kill like one shitty expendable Stalker Droneship. Also

>Imperium
>shooting anything with a minimum range turn 3 against Tyranids
What are you playing on a 10 foot long board and deploying at the far ends?
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>>54801277
That cannot be true. The Necrons say that Tyranids are the easiest to handle in space.
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>>54801384
Yup. 3++ Rerolling 1s
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>>54801409
No one missed Novas, stop being a retard.
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>>54800103
that image would have a point if every other imperial faction was actually as important as space marines
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>>54801322
>>54801336
>>54801332
>>54801352
>newfags don't understand that Carnac is just a name for retarded idiots making general sweeping statements or whatever
And Carnac happily supports whatever is anti-Chaos.
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>>54801382
>using "retard lore" to describe actual classic lore from one of the creators of the setting that's been canon for fucking ever
This isn't some black library shit, you idiot. How do you not know about the BfM?
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>>54801410
Necrons also have THE BEST spacefleet in 40K.
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>>54801252
>He doesn't kill typhus for being a sorceror because he had before this point realized sorcery was necessary to combat daemons and warp spawn after he was forced to use it against that keeper of secrets or whatever it was.

Is this Black Library? Fair enough. Maybe Typhus escapes and Mort decides ah this nurgle shit is alright. But he became everything he hated. And he doesn't do a whole lot. Lorgar is busy in church forever, Pert is fortifying, fulgrim is seeking the perfect line of coke somewhere, Angron probably doesn't even really understand that hes a daemon prince and just decapitates warriors all day. What does mort do. Sniff smelly shit and job. Remake barabus and become exactly like his original father, the guy he hated.

Its just my opinion but mort is an even bigger failure than Angron. He gets nothing done. Konor is next. Fudge the numbers indeed tallyman.
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>>54801406
This is a terrible meme. Like one of the worst. That's not how pricing works. Stop reinforcing this.
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>>54801421
I see, you're just shitposting.
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>>54801363
Yeah but those things really only occur after a real low point in his life, prior to that he was a very active guy. Also i find it difficult to blame him if you do take the idea that nurgle protects typhus, since then its not really his fault. Nurgle definitely prefers Typhus though, no question.
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>>54801170

Since games workshop acknowledged the internet exists they've got a lot better at stomping on this shit.
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>>54801427
>Carnac is just a name for retarded idiots

You're the only newfag here.

>Carnac happily supports whatever is anti-Chaos.

Carnac is recently massively pro Chaos.
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>>54801433
>using cherrypicked lore out of context
>not Carnac

Shut up, Carnac
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>>54801254
Wait, do they still consider all successors members of their Chapter and just fudge the numbers whenever a count comes around?

Or is this a Dark Angels = traitors meme?
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>>54801427
This is some really terrible bait, son.
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Dark Angels vs Nid fleet battle when?
200 odd termies fighting space hulk on their home turf would be rad
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>>54801315
Do we have full wording of how available new stratagems are?
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>>54801372
>Andy Chambers
Dude the last time he worked for GW Yugoslavia was still technically a country.
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>>54801457
>recently
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>>54801427
>newfag acts like he knows shit
>gets calle out
>no, you're the newfags.

Top kek, carnac isn't a catchall term, it refers to one chaosfag in paticular who is recognizable by his posting style, the lore he uses and his hatred of certian things. Lurk moar before you make an ass of yourself next time
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>>54801480
Yes. That's how old BFG is. Well done.
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>>54801446
but it's topical tho
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>>54801471
Dark Angels are "composed" of a bunch of Chapters, but each "Chapter" still answers up to Azrael. So what Azerael decides the Dark Angels and ALL their successor chapters will follow.
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>>54801481
He's right, he was a necronfag before that
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>>54801494
And you're citing that as your source on current tyranid fluff?
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>>54801451
No really it was impossible to miss those shot.
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>>54801473
Last time a full First Founding Chapter took nids on space hulk style they went from 1000 guys to 50. RIP OG Blood Angels.
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>>54801512
Yeah but he was pro Chaos way earlier than 'recently'. Literally screencaps from 2013 laughing that he has a Be'lakor dakimura.
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>>54801443
He didn't become his father out of apathy, he became his father intentionally. After the whole "WELP I USED MAGIC ONCE AND NOW IM TAINTED FOREVER" thing happened he decided everything he had hated prior to that point was probably necessary and he was never going to be happy so he might as well hate himself and become a sorceror king rather than hate himself and do nothing.

Also its bullshit to compare a guy who actually leads his legion and gives them orders to lorgar or fulgrim and say mortarion is the one who isn't doing shit. He may not personally go out and fight the imperium (well until now anyway) but he did actually stay in command at least rather than just ignoring his legion like it doesn't exist. Though obviously he doesn't command the plague fleet.
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>>54801512
No, he was a Taufag.
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>>54801471
It's the former. The Dark Angels chapter fudges the numbers for the Deathwing and Ravenwing as they're oversized companies.
Then nearly all their successors report to the DA chapter master
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>>54801513
It's the Battle For Macragge dude, it's still mentioned in like every Tyranid and Space Marine Codex, it's one of the most classic bits of fluff in 40k. Everyone knows this story.
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>>54801537
He's been all three of them

>>54801531
Oh, I thought you were implying he's always been one, not that it's a bit older than recently. Never mind
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I was reading the new mission for Fate of Konor.

Am I reading it wrong, or I can just move my Hellblade to the exit route first turn and just gain 2 points like that?
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>>54801530
That's what happens when you send tacticals to do a terminator's job. And the DA have those in spades
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>>54801514
No really, it fucking wasn't. It's a fucking scatter weapon. You never really played BFG did you?
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>>54801531
>Be'lakor dakimura

They sell those?
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>>54800976
If i had walls I'd be painting shit all day my dude.
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>>54801567
It was an estimate weapon.
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>>54799677
>2.5 ukp for a dread
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>>54801492
He can't be a Tyranid, Tau, Necron, and a Chaosfag at the same time. Make up your minds.
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>>54801577
They should do.
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>>54801597
Was he ever a Guardfag?
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>>54801581
Yeah. That then rolled a scatter dice and flew way the fuck off target 2/3rds of the time.
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>>54801597
He's never been a nidfagm that was newfags who don't know shit saying that.
And he hasn't been all three at the same time, hems been one of the three at different times.
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>>54801597
He was never a nidfag, he hates Tyranids.

He shills Crons, Tau, and Chaos, to varying degrees, depending on what pisses people off most in the current thread.

You are a newfag for not knowing this already.
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>>54801071
> no more all tank and all elites armies
> tfw its 7th all over again
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>>54801533
Those other primarchs are doing what they wanted from the start pretty much. Lorgar has gods to worship, fulgrim is seeking perfection. Best thing mortarion did was give me tallyman.
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>>54801597
He started out as a necronfag (where he got his name from) then moved to Tau and recently to Chaos.
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>>54801504
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>>54801645
>newfag for ignoring shitposters

LOL
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>>54801597
He went Tau > Necrons > Chaos.
He's not a real *fag, he's a troll who will postto annoy people.
People seem to be endlessly upset or jealous over Chaos, so he's been there for a long time.
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>>54801551
Were you aware this conversation was about the inability of the Imperium to go blow for blow with tyranids and instead having to use precision strikes to soften up their brainbugs primarily launched by Space Marines and specifically the Death Watch? Of which the Battle of Macragge is under current lore. an excellent example of.
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>>54801625
>>54801577
>mfw you can make your own custom made dakimakura

Can somebody make a sexy anime version of Be'lakor? I'd so get one.

>>54801627
No. He's anti-Imperium and anti-Eldar.

>>54801597
He's switched.

>>54801639
>>54801645
But he has supported Nids when it's been against Imperium, there's proof of these in archives. He isn't a Nid lover because they're anti-Chaos but he's quickly switched between if it's got him (You)'s.

>>54801658
Nope. He went Necrons under TIDS or whatever his trip was, then switched to Chaos then Tau. I wish I had screencaps of him from 2013.
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>>54801652
With ownership being determined by model count all tanks or all elites couldn't hold objectives anyway even before ObSec you twit!
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>>54801506
>>54801543
Gotcha, thanks
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>>54801672
>But he has supported Nids when it's been against Imperium, there's proof of these in archives
He's also just as quick to say that nids don't matter, chais is BBEG.
He uses nids to get (You)s, but he's never been a nidfag
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>>54801673
By that logic we didnt need to objective secured rule at all you moron. Now they can NEVER hold even against other elite armies
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>>54801672
>>54801663
>>54801658
Getting different messages here.
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>>54801504
>template has an inbult white bar to remove water marks
>remove bar, but not water mark
nigga yo all levels of dumb
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>>54801691
Aye as I said. wish he was publicly range banned, it'd end this meme.
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>>54801699
All you need to know is ROCKS>BELAKOR. That's it. Anyone thinking belakor isn't some faggot shit is him. Because practically no one likes belakor.
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>>54801666
The conversation was some retard saying Tyranids lose in space and me correcting him saying no, the Tyranids rape the Imperium in space and the only time they really lost a significant space battle to the Imperium was the BFM. The Deathwatch were barely fucking relevant. 90% of that battle was the largest armada of the Imperial Navy since the days of the Horus Heresy going beastmode despite taking horrific losses and the other 10% was the 1st company of the Ultramarines holding the polar control fortresses to keep the orbital defense guns firing.
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>>54801708
Yeah, but that's not happening anytime soon, if ever.
I mean, how many years did it take for virt to get b& for good?
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>>54801699
He was Tau Internet Defence Force.
Then dropped that and became Carnac with his Necron shitposting.
No he shitposts almost exclusively about Chaos.
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>>54801728
Nah, all you need is
>8 wounds
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>>54801701
I made it before the new template dipshit
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>>54801708
Hard to do that since lore discussion is not a bannable offense. Having a different opinion even if it was for trolling sake is not against the rules so you better just ignore him.
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>>54801756
Global Rule 3 says it is against the rules though.

>inciting flame wars or trolling outside /b/
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>>54801672
>But he has supported Nids when it's been against Imperium, there's proof of these in archives.
I have literally never once seen carnac support nids regardless of who it was against.
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>>54801756
If it's for trolling (which lets face it, it is) it's a violation of global rule 3.
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>>54801774
Then you are thankfully free of the taint.
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>>54801744
Don't you bring that weak shit here
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>>54801770
If having a different opinion of a debatable piece of lore flamewar inducing then everyone would have been banned by now.
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>>54801446
>not how pricing works
That's what makes it funny
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>>54801790
>the almighty destroy of universes and ender of civillizations has
>T6
>and
>8 wounds
Really makes you think
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>>54801795
Yeah but this is a constant thing which he constantly resorts to "hur dur ur rong lol ecks dee shoo sho le epic i can't read english" crap.
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>>54801811
Almonds = Activated
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Isn't Bel'kor a Daemon Prince that invaded Fists stronghold while they only had recruits on board and then proceeded to get stomped by said recruits?

He always seems like total failure to me. I guess it's another Abaddon situation?
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>>54801820
I don't remember him ever doing that. He just posts lore pieces and argues about them. Usually uses them to back up what he says.
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>>54801837
He's a worf. Gotta let him get stomped to show how cool he is.
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>>54801828
>when you're weaker and have less wounds than a rhino but you're clearly the greatest servant of the chaos gods
Man I'd be worried for chaos if I were one of the gods and Be'lakor was my greatest champion.
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>>54801837
Actually he was beating them, only the Legion of the Damned saved them.
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>>54801811
Eh it's alright, but I know where my heart truly belongs
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>>54801732
So you're saying that's a sustainable method for the Imperium to fight the tyranids in the long term rather than taking out key tyranid vessels. The entire fucking lesson that war taught the Imperium?
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>>54801859
Ah, fair enough. I didn't pay much attention to that part of storyline.
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>>54801854
Be'lakor's power was nerfed by the Chaos Gods and during the invasion of the Phalanx the Chaos Gods refused to aid him. It was never explained why the Chaos Gods turned their back on Be'lakor. Damn Imperial plot armor
>>
No wonder these threads are shit. Everyone hates other armies and only talks about Marines and Chaos Marines.

You people are as disappointing as you are pathetic. What a coincidence that it's a bunch of men.
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>>54799398
>slow and steady
>what are plauge drones
>>
B8
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>>54801897
I dunno, maybe it's because he only has 8 wounds lol
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>>54801912
have a you for not giving the you
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>>54801897
He was trying to upstage Abaddon, but the Gods have Chosen Abaddon as their blade.
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>>54801872
No it's not, you're putting words in my mouth from some retarded marinewank argument you were having with another guy that I don't care about.

I literally just came to correct whoever the fag was that said Tyranids are bad in space battles, because they're one of the top tier races in space battles in both the lore AND the BFG crunch.

>>54801898
What an excellent and subtle bait.
>>
>>54801912
>>54801917
yes, well done
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>>54801915
Which is the same of all normal daemon princes which the Chaos Gods happily aid?
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>>54801934
Yeah but isn't he supposed to be a super duper special snowflake daemon prince? Why does he only have 8 wounds lol. Magnus has 18 and is T8. Mortarion will be at least 19W and probably T9-10.
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>>54801924
It's not really bait. These threads are shit because of all the Marine love. No variety. Just tired of men being shit in this hobby.
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>>54801121
Literally me.
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>>54801946
>Why does he only have 8 wounds lol.

The Gods nerfed him.

>Mortarion will be at least 19W and probably T9-10.

Doubtful, he's a manlet compared to Magnus.
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>>54801956
Did you mistype "Imperial Guard"?
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>>54801897
Isn't Be'lakor's whole schtick that the Chaos Gods hate him and only keep him around to fuck with?
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>>54801922
They chose poorly.
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>>54801897
cos Abaddon is their special little boy favourite character and they want to make him a daemon, which he's refusing until he kills Big E. Letting Be'lakor outshine him might dishearten baddy so they won't let him do that
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>>54799965
>model on the far right has hive things on its back
>typhus has hive things on his back as well
I'm going to say it's typhus
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>>54801986
No. Imperial Guard players don't talk much, they just post pictures of them playing. Marine and Chaos Marine players on the other hand constantly talk and never play or even show their minis.
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>>54801654
Mortarion may be a Primarch, but Tallyman fudged 20 primarchs to 18.
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>>54802031
>>54802031
>>54802031
New
>>
In the Shield of Baal content we see Necrons calming that Tyranids can easily be crushed in space. Uprooting them worlds is which harder. The Necrons back up their claim when the Silent Kings armada makes swift work of a tyranid fleet and let a portion of the fleet ships escape to be herded and used as experiments. Another example in Shield of Baal is when Anrakyr small fleet arrives to the system and breaks the siege of the Tyranids on one of the world. Any Tyranid ship that that attempted to intercept the Necron vessels were vaporized.

Then you have the issue of speed. When the gas giant exploded and sent fire all over the system, Necron vessels engages their engines to escape the area unharmed. Tyranids ships on the other hand were too slow to react and leave the system before they were turned to space ash.

Anyone who tells you that Tyranids are good at space warfare is a tosser, Like anything, Tyranids use overwhelming numbers but luckly in space Tyranids have a harder time recycling biomass.
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>>54801991
He's not the only one to have them.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Death-Guard-Grave-Warden-Terminators
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>>54801629
If you miss.
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>>54799797
you don't know what avatarfagging means do you anon
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>>54801982
>The Gods nerfed him.
Because he only has 8 wounds lol
>Doubtful, he's a manlet compared to Magnus.
Which is why all the Plague Marines have the same toughness as every other chaos marine amirite?
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>>54802095
Not him.

>Because he only has 8 wounds lol

Because they nerfed him. Each time the gods elevate a daemon prince he loses a portion of his power. Which is why he goes around killing them.
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>>54801990
Call me paranoid, but Abaddon was a respectable size for his time (like what, early 2000s? I think Dubbya was in power). Given GW's recent trend of bigger and bigger characters to get that maximum markup, I suspect Abaddon's whole opposition to daemonhood will either be conveniently left out of future fluff or be a plot point where it's literally daemon out or die. Or at the very least he hulks out Horus style and grows Primarch size. GW loves those big models and I don't think that's stopping any time soon.
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>>54802070
The fact that Necrons, who have a far better space fleet than they do ground forces, have an easier time beating Tyranids in space than on the ground, should not surprise anyone. Necrons also have the best fleets of any race in the whole setting. Tyranids are still one of the strongest space factions after Necrons, which is proven by the fact that they've utterly gobsmacked the shit out of the Imperial Navy on almost every occasion and even the few times they lost it was an irreplaceable pyrrhic victory for the prey races.

>>54802079
Do you understand how scatter weapons work? You obviously never actually played the game.
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>>54802138
No they nerfed him because he only has 8 wounds lmao
what a cuck
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>>54802147
Abaddon might fuse with Drach'nyen.
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>>54802070
Yeah, but necron spaceships are literally playing by a different set of rules to every other races'. It's not really surprising they annihilate the nids in space.
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>>54799716
I think it's endemic to the fact there are two player types beyond the waac vs nonwaac. People that want to have a main character. An avatar to be their own Mary Sue proxy on the field and those that think their armies are being led by the avatar, off stage and out of the line of danger.
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>>54802147
the gods can give you gifts without making you daemon so, yeah I expect they'll probably upscale him at some point but they won't need to mess with the lore to do so. They could also make him look bigger without up-scaling too much, with a more dynamic pose and something to stand on
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>>54802192
I do that with special characters too. I make my own model for them and use their rules for my own character. But my characters aren't super over the top. Having characters that are strong could be cool, but to be the number 1 big guy in the story leading the charge is just dumb.
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>>54799619
That was pretty great.
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>>54799791
No kidding. Honestly I'd dig it if Russ had cooled off after 10k of Emprah knows what and now wants to cut the bullshit, starting with his chapter.
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>>54801735
>Tau Internet Defense Force
Why would the best faction need a defense force? You must be thinking of Orks or maybe Custodes.
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>>54800117
Keep him in the backstory without actually ever doing anything and you can make him as strong as you like, that's how. Just like the Chaos Gods.

Gork and Mork get a pass.
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>>54800401
I think I might be literally retarded. Just realized I'd been reading it was "World Bearers" all this time.
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>>54801446
SHILL!
>REEEEE
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>>54799281
>Cutedar 7
>7
Where's the rest of them?
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>>54800532
Well that explains Storm of Chaos.
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>>54802147
>>54802165
>Ezekial "Fuck you, I know what happens when you ascend" Abaddon willingly accepting Daemonhood
>Doing so via Drach "Coldsteel" nyen

I know this is basically in line with the way Geedubs is taking Chaos, but by God it makes me want to vomit.

And it would also go against his whole "I am stronger than Horus" schtick.
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>>54800756
Index lore puts each faction as the most bestest. Be'lakor ain't gonna do shit because GW will never AoS 40k.
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>>54800846
b t f o
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>>54801064
What do you mean, Orkz are super easy to find
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>>54803308
Tau are likely the most hated faction in 40k. Imperials because Tau have better tech and dispute their claims to being the """"good guys"""" and Chaos because muh grimdark. Xenos mostly seem not to care as much.
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