Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

first for slaanesh

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>>54727361
First of WAAAAGH!

>>54727380
Shoo shoo aspergers tranny

>>54727329
Not when they have to get past 3 melee armies to do it.

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>>54727380
Hell Yes

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Trying to be nice to a buddy of mine who's getting into the hobby and starting GK, thinking of gifting him a baby carrier since he liked the look of it, and also really liked the sound of being able to make it have a grand master in it. What might be some good ways to model a grandmaster in the carrier?
I heard white dwarf recently showed a conversion with Voldus, might a terminator get a similar effect? Please help.

>>54727397
>liking the look of the baby carrier
why tho

>>54727381
orks still I2

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xth for GW needs to release DG termies already

>>54727397
>liking look of baby carrier
>friend
pick one

>>54727404
I dunno. It's his taste, not mine.

>>54727397
I'd just check out the WD article itself, see what goes into the conversion they do.

>>54727418
And multi-part plague marines. I need those MkII helmets and corrupt MkIII bits for my 30k.

What's the best way to draw kill counts on models?

Would micron pens work?

>>54727421
You know friends don't have to agree on everything right?

>>54727427
That too. I'm more excited for all the new plague melee weapons in the set.

>>54727428
Your micropenis would not work unfortunately. Too small.

>>54727435
>being friends with someone who likes the most hideous model gw ever produced
how?

>>54727397
Just use some GK terminator kit bits to spice up the model.

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What are some freehands to do on I peril Fists to keep them interesting. I have 30 Primaris to paint.

I'm going to run some ideas past you guys.
> black flames on yellow background like you see on Orks
> castle wall top ( crenellations?) because siege
> checkers across a whole thigh plate.

>>54727440
I never said it was mine. Projecting much?

>>54727444
I didn't say he had good taste in friends.

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>>54727411
Zog, they got us dis time.

Wez be more cunning next thread!

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So I'm thinking of getting a small third army, just for fun to paint and to give me some options to play with.

One of the high things on my list is a Deff Dred style Ork list, but I'm really not up for a horde army; would this rough list be terrible? It doesn't have to be a tournament winner, just something that won't get tabled in one turn

50 PL because thats what everyone plays here

>Big Mek with KFF
>3 Meganobz
>2 Deff Dreds
>6 Killa Kans (in two squads)

Not a lot of feet on the ground, but not too much worse than some other elite forces for around that PL.

I think Killa Kans are great models and fluff, so I'd really like to build around them.

>>54727457
Well anon, I certainly wasn't aware that you were a homosexual, having such plentiful access to cock.

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Angron did nothing wrong

>>54727457
>>54727461
kek to both of you
>>54727455
the manlet in the centre looks like a squat

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>>54727476
>Angeron did nothing wrong
ftfy

>>54727444
>the worst model GW has ever produced.
Odd, no one's talking about Chaos marines.

>>54727455
Checkers and flames?

Primaris, Bad Moons in disguise!

>>54727418
>cataphractii right shoulder pad and standard termie left shoulder pad
Butt why

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>>54727397

>>54727491
Maybe he lost his original?

>>54727491
Because a lot of CSM are supposed to just be stealing shit from actual marines.

>>54727491
I actually really like the cobbled together look.

>>54727491
Have you looked at the terminator that comes in the DI box? He's in Cataphractii, but has Indomitus style pads.

>>54727513
That's deep

>>54727424
Alright how's this for Autistic diagnosis electro boogaloo
>necrons
Kinda powerful
>tyranids
Again post the list
>renegades
Fucking terrible
>daemons
If it wasn't power it wasn't broken

>>54727397
I scanned the white dwarf for you and you're so lazy you can't even search the archive for this Thursday

>>54727421
The guy who have the most fun games at my school has Corbyn as his cover photo on normiebook, friends don't have to be your clone

>>54727573
>school
>"normie" instead of normalfag
>normalfagbook
Underage b&

Is there way to win with Daemons without resorting to horror smite spam?
I'm seriously asking I don't know.

>>54727589
Play against retards or people who don't WAAC all the time.

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>>54727547
>>renegades
>Fucking terrible
>>daemons
>If it wasn't power it wasn't broken
Renegades/Daemons were a separate match and were actually losing until the reinforcement. (They brought a Lord of Change to a 750 pt game)

As for the others, they are strong when there is no cover for the enemy to use. Especially when the enemy is semi-melee based but not good at it, and you can charge them turn 1.

Is a repulsor filled with 10 hellblasters enough anti-vehicle dakka for a standard 2k game?

>>54727602
Got damn it, my lgs has neither.

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Are all armies going to get objective secured if battleforged?

>>54727633
Might be worth finding gaming clubs. I've noticed that people are more likely to be WAAC as fuck if you go to a GW-centric LGS or an actual GW store. Don't know why.

It's probably going to get worse now that GW are actively appealing to WAACfags with their faction focus shit on WHC.com

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Sooo, any leaks yet on the point costs for the Plague Marine melee weapons yet?

Alternatives to the

Kabal of the <adjective><noun> format?

>>54727655
Why would you run them?

Plague Marines don't have good melee weapon stats.

>>54727651
grey knights SM and CSM get obsec in the codex

>>54727655
Yes

>>54727662

The <adj.><Noun> Kabal

How do Space Hulk miniatures fare in size with the 40k ones? There are some very cool looking ones id like to buy.

>>54727397
GK are the least newbie friendly army in the game

>>54727684
You mean the ones in the Space Hulk boardgame? They're identically scaled to normal 40k miniatures. The terminators are probably the coolest BA terminators you can get.

>>54727651
>eye on the community site if you collect daemons
Oh my god what, is it good news?
>>54727653
It is a local gaming store, it's the only one.
It's mostly GW and MtG focused, but he also brings in niche hobbies if he can, and sells pokemon and yugioh cards on the side.
He's also a pretty cool guy, stocks the drink fridge on very little profit and some days at his expense, and he has a small library of codices and indices that either he's bought for the store so people who can't afford a codex right now can play, and lets newcomers playtest with his armies on the boards to see how they like the game, plus he doesn't charge us to use the boards and I play D&D there on wednesdays.
It's just the two most common games in his store are pretty WAAC heavy as the norm, or at least I figured it was the norm.

>>54727701
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN_F0Gqe0_o

>>54727678

Fug

I'm so mad about this new chaos codex. Not only do I have to use my painted as Word Bearers marines as something else (because their rules suck absolute ass), I also don't want to use berserkers or invest hundreds of dollars into FW for transports like the dreadclaw.

>>54727712
>Not only do I have to use my painted as Word Bearers marines as something else

>lacking faith this badly

you were never a word bearer

>>54727698
Yes, those are the ones I ment. Im buying them right now then. Thanks.

>>54727712
Have faith Word Bearer.

>>54727712
>being disloyal to your Legion
>doesnt want to buy the good units
>its the Codex's Fault

and its not even out yet and theres only been like 3 Videos about it and Miniwargaming are turbo-autists that arent even good at the game

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>>54727418

Every time.

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>>54727712
>Quitting your army because of "bad" bonus rules

You don't know bad rules, ya grot.

>>54727651
>>54727701
Perhaps Death Guard and Daemons are getting a simultaneous release? I've heard that a new GUO model is slated for release (including a variant of Ku'gath since he is assaulting Ultramar with Mortarion) a completely new Nurgle daemon unit may be coming also.

Would make sense if they did.

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Decided to convert my Dark Angels army to Fallen.

Comments and criticism welcome.

>>54727777
Nice quads but you forgot to spoiler tag the image

>>54727712
>mad about codex filled with unit buffs and ridiculously broken strategems like demonforge
what did he mean by this

>>54727777
One fallen have ben ascended by nigga

>>54727740
If I wanted to play berserkers I would have started World Eaters. Or play AoS as that game is also chaos=muh khorne now.
I wanted to use posessed and demons. Possessed still suck and summoning is now useless because tzeentch niggers decided to abuse the fuck out of GWs badly written system.

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>>54727777
Wasted get.

>>54727651
What's the point of obsec for CSM? Why would I ever take anything as troops, since cult troops are stuck in the elite slot forever now?

>>54727361
>>Konor Campaign: Chaos winning the tabletop. Imperium winning painting and model purchases.
You wish, Chaosfag. How's it feel getting your shit pushed in by the "NPC races" out of spite?

>>54727667
Because they get a second attack with those melee weapons? Because the Flail is fantastic, especially with a Chaos Lord along? Because a unit with those Axes is basically Power Axe Chosen + 1?

Just because they aren't Khorne Berzerkers doesn't mean they're a bad melee unit. In fact with Axes and an Icon they could be pretty nice at Elite infantry killing.

>>54727777
>Different coloured foam
>Case somehow opened and spilled models/spaghetti everywhere
>sick as fuck quads
I bet they were already broken or half assembled.

>>54727801
Flail and Cleaver don't get a second melee attack.

I get maybe the axe, maybe going 2 heavy flamer and axes in a rhino seems good, if its cheap though.

Power Axe is 5 points, and this has Plague Weapon so it will probably be 6 or 7 points which is quite expensive per model.

>>54727795
>not playing WE and EC

>>54727795
Cultists are cheap as fuck now, at 4 points per model. You can easily get 3 units of them to give you more command points and objective secured.

>>54727799
>NPCfags
That's imperialfags tho

>>54727817
Heavy flamers are 19 each.

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>>54727799
I played a 2v2 PuG of Chaos vs Primaris this weekend for Konor and got rekt (I was on the chaos side). Having nearly 60 poxwalkers possibly wasn't a great strategy.

Fun as fuck though.

Point is chaos sucks.

>>54727835
>That's imperialfags tho
Imperials have won the first two weeks because of Xenos deducting wins from Chaos. There are stores that are literally 100% Imperium Controlled because of it.

>>54727662
The Adjective Nounverbers

>>54727843
But they're good.

>>54727845
If I had a Primaris army, I'd rather play against Xenos. If I win, it's a win for the Imperium. If I lose, it's a loss for Chaos.

>>54727662
The <verb> of <noun>

>>54727849
>First two weeks

Don't count your chickens yet, Anon.

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>>54727455
Have you considered adding some scrimshaw bones or doing some Inuit inspired patterns to evoke traditions from Inwit?

>>54727821
I thought it was leaked in the codex previews that zerks and noise marines are no longer troops. I hope I'm wrong.

Yesterday I was at my local GW and a guy saw me playing Orks and just gave me the Ork plane from the Stormcloud Attack.

Which type of plane should I make? So far I'm leaning really hard towards the Dakkajet.

>>54727760
There's been rumours of magoths coming to 40k as well as glotkin as the new GUO, probably with an extra sprue of 40k bits like tzaangirs did.

>>54727777
>he didnt even paint the bottom of his tanks
Faggot deserved it.

>>54727795
Cultists are good. Troops also unlock the way to big money CP.

>>54727455
flames too orky, maybe the castle battlements idea but in a darker yellow or dim orange

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>>54727380

>>54727861
If you lose its a loss for who ever the xenos picks, which can be imperium.

>>54727891
Dakkajet is a good choice

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Anyone else really worried about the upcoming Guard Codex?

Guard are very strong atm and have one of the easiest times getting Brigade Detachments, which given how strong stratagems are for the Codexes we've seen raises great fear in me.

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>>54727861
>mfw there are people this cowardly
GET OUT THERE AND BRING THE FIGHT TO THOSE WANKERS YOU MAGGOT

>>54727817
Yeah, but the Flail makes D3 hit rolls, so it's still 2 attacks on average.
I hope the Bubotic Axe is 6 points, so it will even out to 25 points per Axe-Wielder, which would be more expensive than Axe Chosen, but good for what they bring.

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>>54727361
>https://konor.warhammer40000.com/
UK chaos is losing ground, what are my fellow legionaries and renegades doing, I'm still painting a pred

>>54727760
>>54727893
Sounds good, I run Slaanesh Daemons but we got a Start Collecting so it's all good.
Funny thing is, lgs owner and I organised a Start Collecting thing for me a while back that was exactly what was on the box, 10 daemonettes, 10 seekers, exalted seeker chariot that I use as a herald a lot, back before 8th edition at a discount.

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>>54727933
>tfw still haven't played against Guards yet.

I just want to do the classic Ork vs IG game that was so popular back when I was a kid.

>>54727933
Conscripts/Commissars and Scion stuff will probably get nerfed. But we'll get regiment rules and other cool toys instead, plus maybe adjustments to the Russ and others. Frankly I'd rather have more fun flavorful rules to use in game than just OP conscripts.

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>>54727455
Download 3rd HH Book (Extermination) and look for IF Legionaries pics.
Lots of good shit in there.

>>54727980
But...
the third HH book is Galaxy in Flames?

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>>54727956
>MFW I have never fought vs Guard either

>>54727992
He means the forge world ones.

>>54727891
>>54727929
Yeah, Dakkajet easy, the most flexible
You'll struggle to navigate the other two to effectively drop their bombs without fucking themselves now that being forced to fly off the board just equals death

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>>54727992
Maybe I should have specified that I meant Black Book

>>54728009
>tfw no 'ummies to choppa

>>54727933
>>54727970
fuck i hope they make russes slightly cheaper or better ballistic skill or something

i just started a tonk army which could be rather shit with the current rules

>>54727712
You are fucking disgrace to Lorgar anon. Even Barthusa Narek was more loyal than you.

>>54727933
Eh, so long as they nerf Memescripts into the ground, I think we can deal with it.

>>54728032
>Battlecannon
>Heavy D6
>Ability: Roll 2D6 and pick the highest when calculating the number of shots

Fixed it.

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Would /tg/ consider this OK to play? Not looking to win a painting award, just don't like unpainted models

>>54728010
I didn't even know about those.
>>54728022
So, what are they about?
Should I read them too?

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>>54727933
I'm just excited to see regiment rules.

>>54728074
altho this would be MUCH better, youre still hitting on 4+

i guess i shouldnt be greedy tho

>>54727843
Yeah, I think the Heavy Gunk Flamers are a bit overcosted. Sure they're scary, but for almost twice the cost of the normal Gunk Flamer AND losing the ability to advance and shoot, I don't think they're worth it.

>>54727675
Any hint on where to look? Because I can only find the gun costs.

>>54728078
It looks painted.

>>54727821
Berzerkers and noise marines no longer troops

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>>54728080
They're FW's take. They give you more info on the legions. They're really great. Moon smashing. I'll leave that as a hint.

>>54727471
Bumping, tell me about Killa Kans and Deff Dreds ork players

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>>54728080
Its better version of horus heresy. Many info about legions

>>54728078
The line on the gun would drive me mad, but this is a perfectly fine tabletop quality. Better than what most people put on the table at any rate.

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>>54728080
They are about fluff of HH and contain rules for 30k Legions.
Also 3rd book is about IF and it contains a lot of paint schemes for them and info about markings they use.

>>54728078
looks fine to me

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>>54727970
>Scion stuff will probably get nerfed.
How are scions in need of a nerf?
They already got faq'd to not be able to take more than one command squad per commander.

>>54727845
>60 Poxwalkers
I've fielded 60 Poxwalkers a few times now, and, if they are properly supported by Tyhus (and really, there is no reason not to), they are a formidable tar pit that will bind big angry melee things for the length of the game. It's also a really good counter against gaunts and recruits. But don't expect them to just dominate the enemy on a raw points-per-points basis, like other units do right now. They need proper support and they only really start to shine in games above the 1000 point mark.

>>54728127
how could i get rid of that line? putty?

>>54728142
Gatling Taurox is undercosted for one.

>>54728158
Oh yeah Tauroxes.
I haven't seen em played yet this edition.

>>54728153
Careful assembly/green stuff/knife work.

>>54727845
I like the stompy dreadnought in the background. You should get a closer pic.

>>54728074
They should really find a way to make "blast" weapons not feel like any other gun, just with random number of shots.

>>54728032
That and make them have more HP or something. Any anti-armor pops them pretty much instantly.

At the moment there is no reason to take a leman when a Valkyrie does everything a leman can and more, for cheaper cost.

>>54728182
They have a mechanic for it for it in game, "extra shots per X models". They just didn't use it much.

So what the fuck are Inquisitor acolytes for with wounds 1?

>>54728113
>>54728123
>>54728129
Huh, so, say I'm reading the other HH series, would I end up reading a lot of the same info from the FW versions?
Because if so I might only read the ones about the legion I play.

>>54728078
Clean your work station damn it!

>>54728127
>Better than what most people put on the table at any rate
I understand kids playing with unthinned painted models or just primed models.
I don't understand adults doing it though.

>>54728198
Ablative wounds for the inquisitor.
Holding Storm Bolters.

>>54728198
I use them as plasma guns. So long as you are targeting the right thing without them ordos. Rerolling to hit and to wounds against Chaos is awesome

>>54728182
Yeah, I guess my wish would be something like
>pick target unit
>place blast marker
>roll for number of shots
>if number of models under blast marker exceeds number of shots rolled, make as many shots as there are models under the marker instead
>otherwise allocate shots to models under the marker

Buuut that would be way too complicated.

>>54728196
Some units in AOS also have a mechanic which allow their ranged attack to autohit if they roll under the number of models in the target unit. Needless to say, it is exceptionally strong.

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>>54728208
It have nice pics, at least. And this books overwrite canon from BL series

>>54728216
What about close combat? I planned on having them tag along with my inquisitor and his bullgryn airdrop but with 2 less wounds and pretty shit armor it seems like a bad idea now.

>>54728196
I suppose, though even that can become a problem if not properly used. Even a simple "roll to hit and if you hit, then you get random number of hits" would make things feel a bit different, even if mechanically it'd be the same. They could have a new "Ordnance" weapon type that, say, rolls 2D6 to hit and picks the higher (1 on either roll still counts for plasma overheat) to hit, representing like the big explosion of the shot having an easier time of hitting the enemy than a more precision shot.

>>54728194
>Any anti-armor pops them pretty much instantly.
Do they though? Damage D6 isn't particularly reliable at shaving lots of wounds off tanks. On average you'd need four Lascannons to get through your save.

>>54727956
I've had one game against orks and it was a blast. I run melee Guard so it was a massive pile of bodies turn 1 fighting until turn 6.

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>>54728208
You really shouldn't read too much of the BL series. Novels without end.

>>54728198
They are 10 point storm Bolter or 8 point pilots for the lasgun array of chimeras

Honestly the wound nerf was super retarded, maybe leave them at 2 or 3 with a point increase. Now they are 8 point guardsmen squad leaders

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Are daemons of Khorne a playable faction on their own? Don't really want to use any CSM, just mono-daemons army

>>54728238
Oh shit, they're the new cannon?
But I'm really liking this story
>>54728270
But I like it.

>>54728238
Overwrite?

>>54728216
I know so many grown men who play with grey armies because "painting is soo hard" or, worse, "painting is soo boring". Or, my favorite: "I'd watch those painting tutorials, but they're all in English". U WOT M8? Reading colour names and watching what Dunc is doing is too hard for you?

>>54728287
> they're the new cannon
Yes
>>54728291
New book= cannon. Old books doesnt matter

>>54728266
>Meanwhile Tau get units that can have 4 Metlaguns.
>Meanwhile Necrons get a tank that ignores damage AND heals.

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>>54728297

>>54728291
the newest book is the cannon, that's how GW retconns work

>>54728297
I meant in which instantces do they overwrite them. I rahter like the there is no canon, just lot of stories approach.

Otherwise we wouldnt have GSC for example.

>>54727933
I think some things will be buffed, and some nerfed. Conscripts will have either a limit of like 1 per detachment, or they won't be effected by Commissars or they can't take orders. Something will happen to them, but that's fine. I think Infantry squads will be buffed, but also increased to 50 points. The superheavies will probably get a rule where they don't get -1 to hit on their main cannons like Russes. Russes probably won't change at all. I'm thinking Vostroyans will get leadership buffs. Catachans might get WS3+ or something like +2 cover in forests. Hopefully veterans get doctrines back. Basilisks and heavy weapon squads will definitely see a price increase. Maybe Manticores too.

My hopes are for Catachans getting WS3+ so I can run a Priest, Straken, Yarrick and 6+ infantry squads with a special weapon and power maul sergeant. Melee Guard go!

>>54728295
I never dealt with those. More of
>I just have so much to work on
while they're buying another Start Collecting set
I don't mind the guys who are painting in the store and ask to play a game while they wait for some stuff to dry though.

>>54728208
Think of it more of a history book, very factual and is told from the writers perspective (I believe the writer is supposed to be a SoS), it's has lots of different accounts recorded from various people. Plus as others have said, it tends to be better than BL books and is also canon. They're are plenty of great moments and little treasures within them.

Also if you have more questions related to the books, /hhg/ might have better and more in-depth answers for you

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How are you gonna equip your Exalted Champion?

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>>54728309
Like in old book at burning of prospero survived part of lgeion. At this FW book survived only Ahriman and Magnus

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>>54728287
That's fine and dandy but when you're overloaded with short stories and have a limit on novels you begin to see some decay.

>>54728208
how do you not know that there is a horus heresy game made by forgeworld?

>>54728330
He already have melta/combi-melta and power axe

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>>54727712
Filthy infidel. Repainting the best legion there ever will be. Play them as a renegade sect of the Word - renegade rules are quite strong - but never repaint the eternal glory of the chosen sons. Praise be.

>>54728333
You also had the Sons of Horus rounding up psykers while the fighting was going on

>>54728330
Anything but Lightning Claws, basically. Maybe a Combi-Flamer and a Power Axe, because the Combi-Melta seems wasted on a BS3+ model.

Has anyone used any of the baneblade variants in 8th? Played a power level apoc game today. Damn those sponsons are fucking nasty, especially when free using PL

>>54728278
I agree it was retarded. If they were BS3+ and WS3+ with access to Carapace armor I wouldn't care. But they are just slightly better Guard sergeants as you said. I don't know how I want to equip them. I don't have the modeling skills to put my Storm Bolters on anything, so I thought of just doing some easy Bolter models saying they have Bolters and Bolt Pistols since that keeps them at 8 points and that would be good enough to body block for my melee inquisitor.

>>54727491
Because it's been canon for actual decades now that CSM scavenge emplacement parts as needed from Loyalists they Chaosmurder be cause they are immoral raiders.

What's the cheapest transport that can carry models in terminator armor?

>>54727712

Mostly I'm just annoyed that they decided to make all the vehicles other than the daemon engines just generic vehicles, while if you want to use cool daemonic versions of the exact same vehicle with the exact same loadout you have to buy the FW books. Why do the entirely solidly constructed metal Contemptor/leviathan dreads get to eat people when the literal flesh gholem that is the Helbrute can't? Come on GW, FW makes this whole "make chaos unique and different from loyalists" shit look easy.

>>54728078
personally think it looks awesome mate

>>54728418
Land raider

>>54728297
Do they change anything major?
I'm only up to book three.
>>54728327
I'm enjoying them as a fiction book at the moment, but I'll check out the Forge World version in future.
>>54728336
Well I'm enjoying it at the moment.
>>54728343
I do, but he said third book and I assumed he meant in the BL series because I didn't know he meant that.

Best loadout for terminators following sorcerers, already given champion dual lightning claws, was thinking heavy flamer, 4 axes, 2 combi meltas and combi plasma

>>54728437
If you have sorcerers you may as well cast prescience on them and use plasmas so you can overcharge and never die.

what's the comfiest faction to play

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>>54728435
You'll learn.

>>54728458
Probably something with a small model size.

>>54728458
Custodes. Your models basically never die and your Land Raider will likely never die. You will demolish everything in shooting and melee.

>>54728448
Should I keep the heavy flamer then or drop it for a combi plas

>>54728382
It's not like Storm Bolter come in human size. The ones that exist are for marines holding them in one hand.

By the way guardsmen with grenade launchers can work as Storm Bolter, just add some gu barrels at the end of it

Speaking of Custodes, I'm assuming they always have the gold bling bling colour scheme without exception?

>>54728458
Nurgle is pretty comfy.

They don't feel pain and on the tabletop are quite hard to kill. Plus they're just happy all the time.

>>54728478
Heavy flamer on deem striking is pretty bad since you're 2" away by definition. However you can also use warp time on them, but that's so far relying on two powers so stick with either plasma or flamer IMO.

Doing a 40k team tourney with my buddy. He's bringing IW. All I've got are loyalist SM so should I bring BT or be iron bros with an all dreadnought IH list?

>>54728486
It's already an abomination that they are now usable in 40k, try to get the right colour scheme at the very least.

>>54728285
Mono-god Daemons tend to be pretty weak. You don't have to use CSM, but if you limit yourself to one god it's hard to put together a strong army.

>>54728435
Yes >>54728333

>>54728330
Going to use the Dark Vengeance Chosen models. Axe or fist, anything but the lightning claw guy obviously.

>>54728501

There is no 'right' color scheme. They have different color schemes like all the other armies.

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>>54728486
A small group that guarded the the Vault of Rython had a black scheme. From ForgeWorld's HH Book Inferno

>>54728461
I don't doubt you, let me enjoy it while I can at least, please.
>>54728517
I mean, I wasn't even up to that, isn't that a bit of a big deal?

>>54728501
Settle down anon, I just don't know much about them and wondered if there were any variants.

>>54728486
No, inferno has a canon black and brass color scheme. Check out HHG.

>>54728285
With the drop in price in the CSM codex, they are now alright.

They are still boring as fuck though.

>>54728312
I think conscripts will be limited to 1 per Company commander.

>>54728529
>>54728538
that looks pretty neat

Question
Technically speaking you can't fire pistol while in melee
Since they unit with pistol is within 1", so even if pistols allow them to shoot, they are not eligible for shooting in the first place.

I'm missing something here aren't I?

>>54728487
So reaper autocannon, even though it's hitting on 4's but will be consistent 4 shots rather than a potnetial 1 from the heavy flamer. But the plan with these guys was to assault the turn they drop, preferably against tanks, so maybe keep the heavy flamer to get warptime off more likely

>>54728572
You can shoot a pistol while in close combat, and you can shoot a pistol into close combat when you're out of it as long as they are the closest target.

>>54728572
Rulebook literally says 'even if there are enemy units within 1" of its own unit, but it must target the closest unit"
The only hiccup you should have is determining the closest unit, especailly now all units have split fire

>>54728608
>you can shoot a pistol into close combat when you're out of it as long as they are the closest target.
No. The clause of 'cannot shoot at enemy models with 1" of friendly models' is not overridden by the pistol's rules.

>>54728572
Why do people always do this
It says even if you're within 1", you can still shoot
Therefore, even if you are within 1", you can shoot
How hard can it be to understand?

It's the same with overwatch modifiers and people saying
>"Oh even though this special rule says you overwatch on a 5+ the rulebook says always on 6+ so sorry fuck your rule"
morons

>>54727361
What is considered the same faction?

If you want to make a battalion they have to be in the same faction. Well, what is the same faction? Imperium? Astra Militarum?

Or what? I would assume they mean Astra Militarum is the faction so I can't just put Assassins into a Imperial Guard brigade detachment?

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>>54728646

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Quick hobby question: What do you guys use a place to put paints on?

Games Workshop stores tend to have these squares of glossy paper and it tends to work well but for home im not sure what to use. Last time I just used a chunk of the Dark Imperium box cut with some scissors.

>>54728646
Every dataslate has a section called "faction keywords" near the bottom. It's those you should be looking at.

>>54728646
The rulebook literally says that all units must share a faction keyword, or be unaligned
Imperium is a faction keyword. Therefore you can make a battleforged army of any Imperium units.

>>54727587
>trying this hard

>>54728646
They have to share a keyword. So you could use "Imperium" or "Aeldari". You could also choose "Ultramarines" and only include Ultramarines models if you want that detachement to benefit from codex special rules like Defenders of Humanity.

>>54728672
so its totally legal to have 2 squads of space marines in a imperial guard brigade?

>>54728666
If I'm in a rush? Cardboard.

If I'm taking my time? A homemade wet palette made from paper towels, a lunchmeat container, and parchment paper.

>>54728666
You can always do that but it's generally accepted that a wet pallet is the way to go: https://youtu.be/96mjmqWTPfM

>>54728685
yep, but they won't benefit from chapter tactics unless in a seperate detachment

>>54728418
Storm Raven at 266 with default weapons is cheapest

>>54728501
>tfw just painted a bunch of custodes in black/silver/red

>>54728478
I think that plasma guns of whatever variety are really good on terminators

>>54728685
Yes but you'll run into problems like your captain only buffing those marines or not being able to use special chapter rules since those only apply if the space marines are in an only-their-chapter detachment. Also, Paukers are usually pretty specific on who they can target their buffs on, like Navigators only being able to target Astra Militarum and stuff.

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>>54728541
Hmmm... it's almost as if they might get some interesting new rules when their codex book comes out

>>54728635
The question is another one.
The rules says that in order to be eligible for shooting you must be outside of 1"

That is why even if pistols allow you to shoot raw wise you can't even pick that unit to shoot with. REI it is clear what they meant.

>>54728707
No it's okay since you gave up the gold for a better scheme.

Do Your Dudes have a theme song?

My Reaver/Raider/Razerwing DEldar have this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJZp8cJuDj8

>>54728740
Are you actually damaged?

>>54728740
No you're just dumb. Specific rules always overrule general ones.

>>54728737
I think so too.

Deamons feels incomplete in the Index, and they are just keeping it aside for the moment

>>54728572
can you fire a pistol in melee AND use your regular weapon?

like a ork boy unit shooting their sluggas and then attacking 3 times with the choppas?

>>54728752
Necrons: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7BZoRE_k82s

>>54728752
Not for 40k, but when I use my dark angels fleet in BFG I play this at the start of the game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw

>>54728761
>>54728754
Step 1 of shooting
It clearly says you can't pick units that are within 1" for shooting purposes.

We know the intention is that pistol allow it, but you can't even get to that step RAW.

>>54728779
Yup. They're completely different phases so there's no reason why they'd interfere with each other.

That ork can shoot his slugga then charge and attack 3 times with his choppa, right? Then why can't he do the same in combat?

>>54728779
Sort of, but the Pistol shot happens in the Orks' shooting phase. So that's usually 2 assault phases after the charge (when the unit the Orks charged has usually wandered off ages ago)

>>54728794
> It clearly says you can't pick units that are within 1" for shooting purposes.
Som weapons ignore this. Like staff of FW named Lord of Change

>>54728794
The Pistol rules overwrite it with the words EVEN IF

I will say this very simply: you are rules lawyering and if you do that irl no-one will want to play with you. Pistols can be used in melee, end of discussion.

>>54728823
>>54728794

>>54728572
The part you're missing is you're being excessively pedantic when there's a clear permissive exception in the rules. Yes, strictly speaking the sentence "You may not pick a unit that Advanced or Fell Back this turn or a unit that is within 1" of an enemy unit." means you can't start up the shooting rules sequence to let the model based exceptions override. This is obviously absurd. Simply read that line as "You may not pick...unless the unit contains models that say otherwise" or something similar. A similar clause is found throughout the rules elsewhere, but was just left off here.

So congratulations, enjoy your careful reading cookie, but practically it's not worth thinking about or acting on.

>>54728817
RAW wise the pistol rules doesn't even apply. Because you can't choose the unit in the first place.
In any case only a waacfag would not allow shooting

>>54728794
Stop. You think you're being clever pointing out a rules writing error, but you're just being annoying.

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>>54728852
RAW's a funny thing

>>54726334
When they come to matches where normal GW count as are considered fine Such as a twin lascannon on a dreadnought etc but have full on forgeworld instead.

>>54728794
Yeah sure
There is a slight discrepancy in the wording of how pistols work.
But if you brought it up in a game and tried to enforce it, I'd start clearing my models off the table.

>>54728861
Anon it says vertically.

>>54728852

Even if you tried this ruleslawyering bullshit in a tournament setting, I think any ref in the world would just disqualify you for wasting everyone's time with your silly 'only these rules count in my world' argument.

>>54728871
Welcome to my pain in tournaments the amount of waacfagging I have to deal is annoying.

How the hell did GW fuck up a 2 page colouring book rule set is beyond me

>>54728875
I think he means that technically, pairing them up still leave each model within 2" of another model
It's stupid wording.

Sooo anyone got the points costs from new CSM and GK books?

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Alright let's get off this pedantic train and get to something actually interesting.

Which faction/chapter is the most asthetically pleasing to you and why? Don't say just orks, say something like evil sunz because I like red or something like that.

I'll go first: Crimson Fists. I think the muted blue looks nice and the red trim goes well with it, but the red fist really gets me going since no other chapter does that kind of thing (barring iron hands but who Sven plays those nerds) and it really stands out.

>>54728515
>if you limit yourself to one god it's hard to put together a strong army
I heard that nurgle daemons are pretty gud on their own so I hoped that there is a chance for khorne's too
>>54728541
Do we have a codex pdf already?

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>>54728917
Just look at this shiny armour

>>54728882
What silly made up rules? They are there in the rulebook!

Yes we know it is stupid, my original question was if I'm missing some FAQ or errata clearing this up. To avoid this crap, because if I kick someone when ever they complain about rules the tournament would be over rather quick.

>>54728861
>someone actually pulled this once

>>54728634
you should probably read the rules again

>>54728917
ORKS!
> Don't say just orks

oh...

>say something like evil sunz because I like red or something like that.

well evil sunz because i like red and i like painting red and i like fast things and when things die i go happy

yes

>>54728894
>>54728875
Well I mean battle buddies is a thing in the military so that kinda makes sense I guess? You want to be spread out when walking down an abandoned street anyway.

>>54728794
Same with assault weapons and advancing.

Fortunately it was obvious what they were trying to do.

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>>54728917
I really liked the blue Templar scheme that the Marines of Dark Millennium Online had

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>>54728861

>>54728886
Writing airtight rules with brevity is actually fairly challenging, particularly when you already "know" how the rules are supposed to work. It can make you blind to corner cases. In past rulesets they used lots of diagrams and restated themselves multiple times to get the proper intent across. It's unfortunate these errors exist, but luckily they don't have much practical impact.

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>>54728917
World eaters, I like their bunny hats and rip and tear attitude. No sulking about dying.

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>>54728958
>>54728938
>>54728894
>>54728886
>>54728861
>>54728852

>>54725203
>Should I buy regular CSM
Why would you ever do that to yourself?

>>54728958
Thank god it is obvious but is annoying as fuck that is there in the first place.

A simple "...some weapons and/or special abilities can ignore this limitations..." Or something along those lines. It almost feels like no one made a rulebook before this one.

>>54728960
>a single group
No less vague in wording. Different people would consider different thresholds for multiple models to be within 'a group'
>They're all standing pretty close to the objective. So they're a group.

>>54728954
Said like a true ork

>>54728970
Anon it is not even cheating, it is just badly written rules. Granted no one would do it, but it annoying.

>>54728982

>Well you know who isn't in a group? You.
>>proceeds to remove all models off the table and tell the entire store about your bullshit, getting you bullied out of the store

>>54728994
Exactly

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>>54728752

Adeptus Ministorum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MNqkc7E3w0

Chaos is winning 100% in my store
The score is
32 xenos
19 chaos
7 imperium

>>54728994
No one here would actually attempt to legitimise this bullshit on the table.
It's just funny to pick at GW's lazy writing

>>54728970
>point out game is poorly written using silly examples
>accuse them of cheating
I don't get your logic.

When are chaos players going to unload their daemon engines like Soul Grinders in the Konor campaign?

>>54728917
I've always liked the blue tau with orange trim.
I forget the name, but it was in the 4th ed codex a lot. Maybe it's just nostalgia though.

And alpha legion.
That shiny aquamarine colour is mint

>>54729008

>No one here would actually attempt to legitimise this bullshit on the table.

This is how 6 stormravens started

>>54729016
Why do you care so much about Soul Grinders, you've borught this up in like 5 threads already

>>54729016
Stop posting this

>>54728970
Everyone is talking knowing full well what the intention of the rule is. At this point we are just making fun of the badly written rules.

>>54728982
What "a group" means here is explained within the question.

>>54729025
I'm trying to get something going.

>>54729023
That happen because the rules are badly written and no one tested this crap.

>>54728109
>>54727882

You can still use the Troop warscroll in the Index.

>>54729056
Sure, sure. GW bad. Burn your models. Play Infinity. Rarrr.

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I know this is a skull-Aquilla, but it looks a lot like the mark of Khorne too.

>>54729070
>anon discovers khorne's mark is a skull as well

>>54729070
yeah if a mark of khorne had down syndrome sure

>>54728964
I honestly don't get why people will say things like
>it's only 8 pages!
as a positive, when every page of examples and diagrams and definitions you cut spawns countless unfun matches due to people lacking the brain cells to discern what you mean. Forge World is the perfect example of this, there are standing rules questions that nobody has been able to answer for over 5 years, for instance how many points a World Eaters chainaxe is or what the statline for several items in the latest black book are.

>>54729016
not because the only good Daemon Engine is the Helbrute with the right weapons and the Forgeworld stuff, everything else is horrible now probably not fielding my Mauler/Forges/Heldrakes anymore.

Contemptor Dreadnoughts and Predators all the way

besides that soulgrinder and Defilers were never good and look fuckugly

>>54729083
>the rules are at fault, not autism
No, no sir it's the autism

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>>54729036
Not really

Here's further thought. This diagram by our understand is OBVIOUSLY in coherency.
BUT anyone would also say that it's forming several separate groups. So by that question and its answer, its not allowed.

>>54729077

More there's too much overlap.

>>54729100
>autism

>>54729100
Are these groups within 2" of each other?
If the answer is yes, then it's fine
If the answer is no, then it's not fine

Gee, that was hard.

>>54729088
>the only good Daemon Engine is the Helbrute with the right weapons
Fist and scourge? Lascannons and missiles look nasty in the codex.

>>54728917
5th company Imperial Fists. The yellow and black is very striking and almost makes them look like space Austrians.

>>54729104
I too think that symbol looks like shit. Like a retarded aquilia. The only way it would be good is if plastic steel legion was what it was teasing

So I have three Vindicators, what am I meant to do with them?

>>54729139
Use them with the new strategem to dish out a bunch of wounds

>>54729005
For my store its one xenos player bringing forgeworld units and stomping everyone else, taking it all from imperium.

Not helped by a few imperial players playing with Imperial armies and recording them as chaos wins.

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>>54729139

Vindicate. With extreme prejudice.

Can anyone point me towards the 8th Edition Crimson Slaughter Ruleset that came with the updated Dark Vengeance box?

>>54727491
Because GW won't give them shit, so they steal it

>>54729095
>I haven't tried to read the 30k rules
Is a world eaters chainaxe 0 or 2 points? Is a blood angels hand flamer 15 or 30 points? Nobody agrees because of bad FW rules writing. How are you arguing this?

>>54729117
The three central models ARE with 2" of each other.
But the FAQ states that you are not allowed to form the unit into separate groups
But of course 'separate' itself is even a vague word

>>54728926
>Do we have a codex pdf already?
No. The epub come out next saturday.
There is no pdf before that, unless you mean a shitty screenshot pdf

>>54729100
Don't try to mix in a dictionary meaning of "a group" into the answer and it'll work fine. "A single group" in the answer refers to the same definition of "a group" that's given in the question and it only becomes vague if you try to take the answer out of the context of the question which you really shouldn't do.

>>54729168
>autism

>>54729061
Unfortunately you can't. The rule wasn't part of a datasheet, it was a special rule under "World Eaters" and "Emperor Children" armies and has been fully overwritten.

>>54729070
Gonna be Necromunda, or Armageddon Steel Legion, or both.

>>54729139
Well, they're still pretty sturdy. I'd just rush them at something you don't like and fire off shots while your enemy tries to bring them down. And theres the stratagem, but its honestly pretty crap.

>>54729139
Finish the work with Celestial Lions.

>>54729088
Helbrute isn't even a Daemon engine, senpai.

Also, the Forgefiend and the Baledrake both got sizeable price cuts in the new codex.

>>54729027
Can I change it to include chaos titans, knights, and daemon engines?

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>>54727471
I'll bite since nobody replied and I've been playing my orks as a dread mob after 8th dropped a lot more than I did in 7th.

The way you have it those meganobz are going to get murdered, they're the lowest toughness models in your army. Despite having good saves and three wounds anything with decent strength and ap is going to melt them even with the Big Mek nearby.

Killa Kans are excellent in 8th, but don't fall for the meme that they are a primarily shooty unit. Skrag em means even a unit of three puts out an impressive number of attacks at high strength and great damage. While bs 4+ is nice for things like rokkits, KMB is still just shitty rokkits and the grotzooka being heavy means that you go back to orky bs if you fire on the move, and you really want kans to stomp up the board so don't actually be afraid of a skorcha or two, even if they are pricey

Deff dreads are also good, but mostly as a distraction. Keep them far away from hordes. Either keep them cheap as possible with twin shootas or go balls out and get a skorcha and a klaw.

Keep in mind that a nob with WAAAGH banner will buff everything in the army including the kans. A unit of Kans hitting on 4+ is a sight to behold against pretty much anything, and tends to catch people by surprise when it does around 12 damage or so on average

If you want to expand the army go with a orkanaut. Its probably get my vote for most improved ork unit, and stuffing things like the nob w/WAAAGH banner or the mek inside to vomit them out when they need to do stuff works great. Not to mention he tends not to die in one turn anymore, which is great

>>54729069
No need to shill. We can all enjoy bad things

>>54729150

But they're kinda shit, I have lascannon platforms I'm better off taking for the same role.

>>54729192
What's the price cut on baledrake?

>>54729171
If you can form a cohesive line that connects all the models, then it's legal.
So yes, you can do this pattern.
You can make a line of models
You can make a square
You can make a star pattern
As long as you aren't combat squading your guys, and they are all in one group, it's fine

Holy shit

>>54729168
Not him, but the fact that FW writers are retarded and write shit basically at random is a known fact and the reason for the existence of the pay-to-win meme.

The fact that autist will find a reason to argue bullshit both in case of 8 pages of rules or 800 is a different thing and is still true.

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>>54729182

>>54729229
Gotta love watching someone be right

>>54729070
Looks like an eye-less bird with balls to me.

I'll be interested to see what the preview for renegade legions will show when it comes up. They certainly look to have one of the more valuable legion traits.

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>>54727361
No I won't leave

>>54729139
Use them as long range support for your tacticals and prioritize vehicles and mid-sized groups of medium-to-heavy infantry (like other tacticals) to get the bump from Heavy D3 to Heavy D6

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Do we have costs of GK Codex yet?

I really just want to see in PAGKs and regular terminators got a drop, cause whatever the case 10 rapid-firing guys with psybolts sounds dope as fuck

>>54729174
Alright, then I'm gonna wait for it. We are sure that daemons gain new point values in this codex? I have been away for a long while so I didn't follow the news about CSM codex. I thought that daemons maybe will have the separate one

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>>54727956

They are best games.

>>54729267
Your corruption has been expunged from the OP.

You've lost!

>>54729272

I actually don't own any tactical marines. In fact unless you count my small seperate deathwatch force, I only really have 1 Techmarine in regular power armour. The rest is all scouts, terminators, vehicles and dreads.

>>54729273
25 Squid in UK.

40 Dollars in USA.

>>54729100
Papa nurgle loves you.

>>54729280
Daemons will get a separate codex. They just included entries for only the basic troop daemons in the CSM book for convenience.

is the new steel steel leigon rumour true or bullshit?

>>54729198
Thanks my man

Would it be worth trading out the 3 Meganobz for another 3 Killa Kans? It seems better on paper. Or I could drop them in favour of the WAAAGH banner Nob and a Trukk or second Big Mek.

I'll probably be playing with PL, so I was definitely thinking 3 Klaws + 1 Skorcha or 2 Klaws + 2 Skorchas on the Dreds

Orkanauts will be high on the list for things to add if/when I do this, which is looking increasingly likely just because they'd be fun to build and paint, and would a good contrast against my Marines and Dark Eldar

>>54729307
No, I mean costs of units. I've already preordered mine, I was just hoping someone had a pic or something.

But thanks anyway