/wfg/ Warhammer Fantasy General

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What's everyone's favorite TWW model?

ded thread

ded gaem

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>>54682706

if anybody is still looking for Black Library novels that aren't in the links above, here's a few more from my collection. There's some which are only in text files, and there's still a few missing, but that should be most of them


https://mega.nz/#F!lWxBURzL!CLKmaz8k1jq7rVeyVXLjFw

>>54682556
Still waiting for Tomb Kings and Chaos Dwarfs in TW WH.

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>>54683089
Wont be here till game three. And they'l be using Forgewords take on them.

What would you add to Endhammer?

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Endhammer

Also have a Silmarillion Metal Opera for your trouble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMcBOvOuhoY

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Is having a guro fetish slaaneshi or khornate?

>>54683146
this might sound a bit weeaboo (or Chinese-aboo), but could there be a Cathayan faction in the Old World? There's something in the last End Times book about the remnants of Cathayan civilisation fleeing Grimgor in a great fleet, "never to be seen again", but what if they turned up in the Old World, and formed a New Cathay or something?

>>54683198
Take this shit out of here.

Khorne is about honor in combat. Prolonging the kill through guro torture fetishes is just an insult to him.

>>54683204
Sure? But I think Endhammer is focused on existing factions.

>>54683198
Slaaneshi, without out a doubt. Why is this even a question?

>>54683327
oh, in that case
>Sigmar-worshipping Marauders: after witnessing the defeat of Archaon at the hands of Sigmar, a number of tribes have turned their worship to that of Sigmar. Given their barbarity, this has mostly resulted in human sacrifice performed with facsimiles of Ghal Maraz and brutal merciless war against all to catch the eye of Sigmar

>in Bretonnia, the Elves start expanding into human territories, forming racial caste systems with humans providing the labour force. In some areas, they are considered more lenient rulers than their previous Bretonnian overlords

>in Karak Norn, the son of Belegar of Karak Eight Peaks has begun to reach manhood, growing his beard hairs. Already, he is acclaimed as a mighty warrior and an heir to Grungni by some, but many others worry about his influence and direction, potentially dooming what is left of the Dwarfs

>>54682928
that smug smile sells it for me.
Someone at CA really likes feet.

>>54683510
Lol. The first one is kinda already in there -- the Norscan of Salkalten,

>>54683630
god damn it

but is everything ok/interesting/not faggoty?

>>54682706
I'd actually have to say pegasi - I like how they look, and the fact that they kind of 'run' as they fly is cute. It makes knights or lords really stand out. Generally they did a really good job at making the more exotic mounts and creatures come to life, like demigryphs, trolls, Chaos Spawn...

>>54683592
Are you one of those people who were obsessing over the Fay Enchantress on /twg/?

>>54683145

Forgeworlds minis decent

>>54683695
They went from ancient mesopotamians to just spiky boyz, that's some boring-ass shit.

>>54683695
I agree, thought CD fans (all ten of them anyway) seem to be really mixed on them.

>>54683664
You'll have to ask the elf people. They freak out about any possible change.

As for Belegar's son... sounds fine? Didn't know he had a son.

>>54683761
he's only mentioned in Black Library novels. His mum (Kemmi something) is pregnant with him in Thorgrim, and he's around 12 years old in End Times: Thanquol, where he dies in the final siege of Karak Eight Peaks

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So, what do y'all suppose could get a female dwarf to take the Slayer Oath, if we assume said dwarf woman was pretty average for her sex before the incident (e.g., not a ranger, mercenary, Imperial dwarf, etc)?

>>54683890
Infertile.

>>54683684
CA has been making good feet since rome 2 at least.
Plus Enchantress has the best feet.

>>54683910
By enchantress I mean spellsinger.

>>54683695
They're not horrible, they're well designed and all, they're just more Chaos and less Mesopotamian, which is a little bit boring when we've already seen Chaos a lot. I kind of hope CA will take a chance to take things in a new direction, but they don't seem that interested in being that creative, just wanting to use designs given to them in creative ways rather than make their own designs.

But at the same time, some of the old GW minis don't seem to have aged all that well. Looking at them quick I like the line dwarves well enough, but the Great Taurus is literally a bull with wings, not even trying to be anything else.

>>54683890
Technically anything that could make a male dwarf become a slayer - a great tragedy, a personal shame. I think one dwarf became a slayer because of the loss of his son, so a female dwarf could easily have the same backstory. But...don't quote me on this, because I can't remember where I read it, but I think the Slayer stuff is a male-only thing for a big reason, since a lot of male dwarves are under a lot of pressure and most don't ever get children because of the skewed ratio of sexes, so the Slayer Oath becomes one of the main ways a dwarf with no future and no continuation of his family line can do something to be remembered if he's not a skilled craftsman.

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>>54683910
>>54683942
She has same body and animation as Spellsinger.

>>54683946
I don't think it's ever explicitly stated a woman can't take the slayer oath, but I can think of literally no examples of it ever happening. Still, dwarfen women are as honor-bound as the men. The slayer oath isn't about utility, it's about restoring honor.

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>>54683800
Great for Endhammer, then.

As for the Norscan ideas -- if you look into the discussion and find "Olaf God-Hater," it's the concept for the Norscan "Sigmarite."

Essentially, like most Warhammer characters, he's a bunch of historical/legendary tropes mashed together. A little bit of Beowulf. A little bit of Rollo, Duke of Normandy. The idea, it seems, was you could take him as a Lord and then use Marauders in an Empire army. Or some mix of Marauders and Empire.

There was some talk, in the threads, about making him Harry the Hammer (hence the part about killing the undead). But the Beowulf part comes in with him finding the Runefang of one of the fallen Elector-Counts and using it to kill a Chaos Troll or Spawn which has made its den in Salkalten -- then taking the town with his host of Marauders and begining to let surviving Ostlander refugees behind the pallisade.

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>>54683510
>basically fucking deleting Bretonnia

I say nay.

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>>54683946
They still have the old style, it's just given to the sorcerers and enjeinners, aka the upper classes of Dawi Zhar society. The Infernal Guard are front line grunts, elite front line grunts, but grunts nonetheless, of course they don't have giant hats.

>>54684087
not deleting it, just the Elves start expanding outwards, with the Bretonnians contesting it

>>54683971
but ss shows a lot more leg.

Lore question. Who is stronger, a vampire lord or a chaos lord?

>>54684246
The guy with the most artillery firing on their position.

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>>54684246
That would be equal fight, also vampires are very hard to corrupt so maybe vampire.

>>54684246
On average that's really tough to say. Overall Chaos has had stronger lords that have threatened civilization itself, more often than vampires, but if you put two nobody lords together it's anyone's game.

>>54684156
Why would the elves, the wood elves in particular, keep the humans around?
I'd think they'd kill them or something.
Besides, doesn't Bretonnia have a sizeable high elf colony in one of its ports?

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>>54684091
But they could've added the Mesopotamian shit in other ways, you know? Mesopotamians could be very fancy.

>>54684297
thats the empire and marienburg.
The empire also has elves living in it.
And hobbits and dorfs and ogres and a few giants.

The empire is comfy.

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>>54684381
Empire is best, it has confirmed half elves in it. Asur > Asrai.

>>54684246
All of the original vampire lords are alive, even the ones who got killed.

Not a single previous everchosen is alive.

Food for thought.

>>54684428
the empire also has wood elves in the parts surrounding nordland.

>>54684297
I can't honestly be sure. L'Anguille talks about a lighthouse that High Elves regularly come to visit, but I'm not sure if any actually live there like they do with Marienburg, in a merchantile or diplomatic sense. Though overall a pretty nice book, sometimes Knights of the Grail can be frustrating with details like that it barely goes into. Sometimes I feel like I have a better picture of Bretonnian society before reading it compared to after.

>>54683946
Pegasi are just horses with wings.

>>54684381
Bretonnia has a lot of Sea Elves.

I am also against elves expanding in Bretonnia.

>>54684497
who the fuck is talking about expansions?
you niggers aren't reviving endhammer cancer are you?

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>>54684465
I think it's mean to leave the little details to the GM to fill in. Like the Donjon of Dol, what is it? I say 'Magneto Prison' as it held the Fey Enchantress during the days of the False Grail Incident. Though I can see what you're saying, it's like an inverse of Sigmar's Heirs where it had no details on the Elector Counts but had stats on villages and towns outside of the capitals.

>>54684467
Shut your whore mouth.

>>54684444
Aren't there also some Wood Elves in Kislev, quads?

Pretty sure the Laurelorn elves aren't Wood Elves per se - they don't have that same connection to the forest the Wood Elves do, they just live in it. They're more like forest High Elves, if that makes any sense.

>>54684465
A great many cities have elven districts that are permanent, so it wouldn't be a surprise. Erengrad, Altdorf, Nuln, Marienburg (of course)...

>>54684497
Don't capitalize sea elves, it's not a real thing in Warhammer.

>>54684566
Its name of Asur sailors.

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>>54684428
>empire has half elves
I guess cowering in fear huddled up around a fire inside of a fortified city while all sorts of horrible creatures prowl the night is a good way of getting even the high elves to put out.

>>54684566
It's as much a name as High Elves, Dark Elves and Wood Elves. Simplified names for a group of sundered peoples. It's a name you'd likely never hear an elf say unless they were speaking to humans, calling themselves Asur, Druchii or Asrai.

>>54684533
Yes, but they don't interact with humans almost at all, just occasionally appearing out of the forests to massacre kyazak or Chaos armies. The Kislevites leave them along. The social elves of Kislev can be found in Erengrad.

Frankly the elves of Kislev can't pull the usual bullshit they might elsewhere, this land is not theirs and never really has been. The Gospodarin and Ungols understand it at a spiritual level.

>>54684586
It's not.

>>54684566
It's how a lot of Imperials refer to High Elves who come to trade by sea.

fuck you

>>54684627
Source?

>>54684595
you know it.
>its cold
>you give the high elf chick an extra set of blankets because she is skinny
>you start to freeze.
>she invites you to share the blankets because there is space for both.
>you can hear beastmen roaring outside.
>afraid you take her hands and realise that she is as scared as you are.
>both of you start feeling drowsy and try to spoon for comfortable positions.
>wake up next morning and see that the two of you are naked and the room smells like cum.

>>54684595
The one confirmed is son of high elf ranger and human peasant woman.

>>54684680
>peasant
Damn that's romantic.

>>54684649
Early Warhammer.

Lots of 1st edition stuff makes reference to them.

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Sea_Elves

>>54684666
>There's a beastman in your kitchen nook, making coffee for everyone.

>>54684741
*halfling.
I really like halflings. They are cute and make good food.

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>>54684761
>tfw no fighting cocks

>>54684784
CA should make comedic DLC with Leitdorf and halflings.

>>54684784
they will get added eventually. If we are getting fimir, we are getting halflings.

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>>54684813
His advisor is his horse instead of the old man.

>>54684834
And a skilled advisor at that.

>>54684834
It's the old man just making horse noises.

Should Throgg get a diplomacy bonus with beastmen?

>>54684709
>Later editions disposed of the Sea Elves, instead folding their elements into the High Elves.

1st edition didn't even have the Empire.

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>>54684911
First edition WFRP, I imagine, not first edition WFB.

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>>54684433

>>54684939
>head
Should be balls.

>>54684911
>>54684940
It is WFRP 1st edition. The shit-heel is being disigenuous

>>54684940
>>54684994
Irrelevant fluff then.

>>54685091
>look at this fucking retard

>>54682556
why the fuck do my pure bretonian knights have brothels?

>>54685141
they aren't pure.

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>>54685151
come here knave, I wish to have words with you

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>>54685277
What's the difference between Bretonnian knight and dog? Dogs don't get pegged by dryads.

>>54685141
It's called Bordeleaux.

So am I to understand that the armies in Total War Warhammer 1 will NOT be in Total War Warhammer 2?

>>54685338
>getting pegged by tit trees
>bad
Reikshitters, not even once.

>>54685406
Not playable, but there will be Vampire Counts, Greenskins, Dwarfs and Empire in Lustria.

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>>54685338
FOR THE LADY!

>>54685448
>"BEGONE, THOT!"

>>54685141
Interesting game mechanic I guess...though you don't really ever need one, since you tend to have pretty good control in provinces, and it's better to focus on economics, since your tech focuses that way anyway.

What if Chaos would win? What is your headcanon?

>>54685615
Eventually the end of everything. It's something I used in a WFRP campaign. Or, at least, something the main antagonist escaped from and was desperately trying to prevent.

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>>54685615
chaos doesnt win

end game is the flying pepes finally get their shit together and kill all chaoscucks with mind bullets and then makes the barrier between the world and the chaos realms much stronger

Have there been any more details about WFRP 4E beyond "it's going to happen"?

>>54685914
Not yet. They're taking a page from the 'Bannerlord Hype: A How To" book.

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>>54682706

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>>54682706
i wish they kept the dot eyes on krell

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Reminder that Bel'acuck got his shit pushed in by rocks.

>>54685615
Each undying Lord of Chaos chooses a part of the world for their dominion.

>In the ruins of the Old World, Nurgle's servants oversee a great, festering farm of bloated and diseased things that were once men. The lucky chosen cavort from place to place as part of a great, absurd Carnival of Chaos, looking for warpstone and fighting the rats coming from below.

>In the Southlands, Khorne's devoted are locked in ever-lasting battle. Some Savage Orc tribes have been left to haunt the jungles -- they're good sport for the Eternal Warrior.

>Ulthuan has sunken beneath the waves.

>The New World is dominated by Slaanesh. Continent-wide orgies, induced by mind-warping narcotics and coordinated by discordant music.

>Cathay, Ind, and the rest are dominated by Tzeentch. People renowned for their scheming and tricks -- rumored to already have worshiped Tzeentch before the world ended. Life goes on much the same as it did, with constant double-crossing, but otherwise civilization. Except there are many more mutations.

Where these realms meet, chaotic, demonic battle begins as the rival lords of chaos fight for dominion of the Earth.

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>>54685998
>>started saying Be'lacuck around the End Times
>>still going
>>even auto corrects in my phone
>>mfw

>>54685998
>SCREAMING

>>54686111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYPs0jT34uo

>>54682928
I need an SSD so bad

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>>54684984
Thanks archie

>>54686145
you misspelled
>STD

>>54686451
You don't want a Super Star Destroyer?

>>54686464
did u just assume my political office?

>>54686464
solid state drive, because the load times in total warhammer are horrendous

>>54686523

The senate will decide your fate.

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>>54686546
i kno

TW has had terrible loading times for a long time and can't seem to kick the 'infinite turn' bug.

>>54686587
never, EVER show enemy movement in TW

I might torrent vanilla total warhammer because I think it was the wood elf update that really tanked the loading

>>54686629
I always do that and it still fucks up when I'm in the 100+ turns.

Are wood elves a good way to show elf slaves?
Just keep the glade guard with no weapon or cloak and maybe give them a spear?

>>54686587
Still better than Empire Total War tho

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When it comes do Warhammer miniatures, who do you feel are the best and worst sculpters? I'd have to say Kev Adams is my top, with the Perry Bros close behind.

Would anyone please explain the differences between chaos spawn and wyrd spawn?

What's with the curator's giving the game hell?

>>54687076
It's either bitching about DLC, historical fans hurt it exists or Chinese annoyed that they haven't gotten the game.

>>54686996

Their name.

The concept art the in game model is based on was labeled as Chaos Spawn.

>>54684680
Wait I thought interbreeding wasn't possible

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>>54686903

Kev Adams is right up there for me too.

Lifted there by a lot of nostalgia to be fair but still there.

>>54687180
Narrator of Gilead's Blood is half elf.

>>54687121
>chinese mad that their government censors skulls

too bad slant eyes

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>>54687220
Their communist government doesn't want the people to learn about Cathay and attempt to worship a magic god and install a dragon emperor.

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Soon

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>>54687288
>we never got eastern armies

>>54687288
Which book is that from?

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>>54687390
7th edition rule book. The section is called 'Other Races'.

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Time to dump little bits of eastern lore!

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>>54687475

>>54686903
the perry bros made all the bretonnian models that got me into the game in the first place.

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>>54687485
Sorry this one's blurry, and...that's it, at least from me. I know there's some other stuff about the Dark Elves raiding Cathay and the strange practices of Ind, but nothing I can share. Generally there's very little lore looking that way.

TWW is a direct antithesis to Warhammer Fantasy, I dont know why its worshipped around here. If it was proper Warhammer, the Dawi shouldn't be able to regain their holds, the Empire crushed by Beastmen and hordes of Northmen, and Archaeon should always win the Old World. Chaos always win.

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>>54687507
Move along folks, nothing to reply to here.

>>54687436
Is moon blood euphemism for period blood?

>>54687543
That was the joke when it came out. 8th edition was such a shit show.

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>>54687559
Witch elves with PMS are sure horrifying sight.

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https://discord.gg/xTGSZbU

Warhammer Discord chan for RPG talk

>>54687644
Why do the Dark Elves look like their own thing to me, but when I look at how TWW did Wood Elves, they look like humans with pointy ears?

>>54687372
>TWW2 and 3 do well enough that GW lets CA do a 4 that fleshes out Cathay, Ind, and Nippon

>>54687683
Probably because one was a DLC race and the other is in an entire expansion. Maybe they'll tune up the Wood Elves at some point, or at least it'll give modders better resources to use.

>>54687706
Why do we need Nippon when Shogun 2 exists?

>>54687644
She's beautiful.
Shame about the whole "pure fucking evil and batshit insane" part that makes any interaction with her that isn't filling her body with arrows or bullets suicide.

>>54687750
I want my knights vs samurai.
Demigryph knights.

>>54687759
Are you saying you don't want your sorceress/witch waifu to hold your face in one hand while the other presses against your broken ribs?

>>54687644
Is dark elf society non-sexist? Surprised by the female dread lord (Really cool model though)

>>54687779
>knights vs samurai
>vs

dont you mean a glorious bretonnia/nippon alliance where split up the world between yourselves in a fantasy wwii done right?

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>>54687788
They were mentioned before. All elves don't have much difference between genders.

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>>54687788
It's survival of the fittest to the extreme, so you have female soldiers on the ground, all the way to some owning Black Arks. Elf society, in all three groups, is largely non-sexist, though there are certain jobs that are male only/female only like Assassins/Sorceresses for Dark Elves. And obviously for High Elves the Phoenix King and Everqueen.

>>54687788
>sexist

understanding the actual differences between males and females isnt sexist you reddit nigger. if you dont let children fight in wars does that mean you hate children?

but these are elves so whatever

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>>54687846
There are male sorcerers or warlocks, only they are cursed by Malekith.

>>54687875
Yes but they're outlawed in Naggaroth society. By law only females, aside from Malekith, can be sorcerers.

>>54687784
If she weren't part of the race known to butcher slaves just because, even "favored slaves" that get ritualistically sacrificed yearly, then I would.
But odds are she broke those ribs and poisoned me while doing so. Pass.

>>54687889
Doomfire Warlocks act like Dark Eldar by feeding souls of enemies to Slaanesh.

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>>54684532
I don't really mind that some things that are obviously meant to be interesting sights or opportunities for potential quests aren't embellished on. It happens with a lot of locations and a few characters.

But what does bother me is when those things don't seem to be left mysterious, there's just almost no information at all. It's a lot easier to find detailed information about Nuln, Marienburg or Middenheim than any single city in Bretonnia, which frustrates me when I really want to know how Bretonnia works outside of rural areas. Civil strife and other conflicts are hinted at, but not enough that I can get a good understanding of how they happen or work. It's an overview that's just too shallow when I hunger for more information, and meanwhile the Empire is looked at from various angles - religion, daily life, history, organizations...

It technically did its job, giving a look at Bretonnia, and relies on GMs making use of tools from other books - while Empire-focused, they can be refluffed easily enough in most cases. But the book itself is so vague and unfocused, and so much is intentionally unexplained (like Mousilion, it just works somehow I guess - even Barony of the Damned had to throw up its hands at times). I really want to know about Iron Orcs and Chasm Spawn, but nope - no real info for me.

>>54684288
But every Chaos lord has lost while the Vampire lords tend to stick around.

>>54684297
>Why would the elves, the wood elves in particular, keep the humans around?

Elves were allied with Humans during the Storm of Chaos.

There's definitely animosity a few ticks above Tolkien, but it still isn't murderous hatred where two sides want to kill each other because their species is different.

Elves and Humans can get along. Now, Elves and Dwarves...

>>54685615
Chaos storms over the world: either the Old Ones come back and intervene, the Law Gods intervene, all the other Gods intervene, Malal fucks over Chaos, or the prophecy comes true and balance is broken and everything in existence is destroyed regardless of affiliation and sucked into the Warp as primordial energy.

>>54688242
Finubar managed to do negotiate piece with them.

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Do Dark Elf slave revolts ever succeed? Apparently Malekith actually encourages them in order to keep the Dark Elves on their toes, but it's not made clear if slaves ever beat off their masters, or if a few manage to escape, or what. If they do manage to escape, what happens to them? Are they hunted down, do they try to form their own societies like the real world Maroons - possibly with the Dark Elves making note of these communities as a source of future slaves? Do slaves do things beyond work in mines or cutting down trees - are there especially favored positions, or relatively safe jobs?

>>54685998
Sh-shut up you poser! Bel'akor said this didn't happen so that means it didn't because he never lies!
>REEEEEEEEEE

>>54688272
I imagine its only worse to be slave to Chaos, Skaven or Chaos Dwarfs.

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>>54688242
You really have to specify which brand of Elves you're working with here. Wood Elves mainly see the Bretonnians as a useful barrier against enemies, or a source of amusement and prey to hunt - not really something worth ruling over, especially when they're very isolationist and generally want to be left alone, not try to expand. The High Elves might manage it, but they're also fairly moral, stretched thin over their own territories as it is, and quite frankly would probably loathe trying to rule over a bunch of inbreed uneducated peasants that can barely last a few decades. Imagine trying to run a kingdom where everyone below you is a dog, with about the same lifespan and intelligence. The Dark Elves are the only ones who would really want to conquer and rule things, and they definitely would do more than replace the existing aristocracy - they'd make Bretonnia in their own image, with humans serving as slaves.

I can respect and understand creativity in 'what if' scenarios, but you have to pay attention to how things are set up in the universe, and try and follow how things might logically work out. If your scenario wouldn't fit with how things seem to be, you have to try and explain it. There is a difference between being willing to ally with some folks, and wanting to rule over them, so it's up to you to try and explain why elves of any flavor would want to form a racial caste system in Bretonnia. Well, maybe not you since I don't know if you're the guy who came up with the original idea, but you know what I mean.

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>>54683076
Thanks anon.

>>54688272
I think working under a whip in a mine is one of the safest places for a slave in Naggarond, since if they were in a house they run the risk of getting murdered for shits and giggles. Sometimes not even for that.

>>54688273
Some poster on /twg claimed they we're really excited to have a badass demon like him in the game some day. Really Belakor fans are worst then Archaeon fans. Pure cancer.

>>54683249
>Khorne
>honor
He wants blood. No fucks given from where it comes.

>>54683198
Slaanesh.

>>54688581
I agree with you, but there does seem to be an essential difference between how Khorne and Slaanesh handle war. Khorne only cares about the bodycount and ability-to-kill, while Slaanesh takes more care with the kinds of kills, the skill of the swordplay or the use of poisons or weapons that cause pain.

>>54688581
Blood in combat.

He doesn't give a shit about noncombat death. That's his brother's job.

>>54688231
>But cockroaches can survive nukes.

>>54688633
Nah, khorne is about killing. Slaanesh is about enjoying it. Khorne is fine with skulls of children too. But his followers see it as something necessary and will not torture them before.

>>54688879
Khorne loves punishing weak and sorcerers, its include torturing. His motto is kill, maim, burn. Every chaos worshipper enjoys inflicting pain.

>>54688947
There's been a handful of noble Chaos Warriors.

I believe there was an example of one in the form of a wandering Chaos Warrior who murdered a really bad imperial noble, and was greeted to the sound of all the villagers cheering him. He felt happy, and left the village intact.

>>54688947
Khorne is about killing in war. He doesn't enjoy killing noncombatants or torture. He's bloodthirsty, but not sadistic.

Slaanesh doesn't enjoy murder, but is incredibly sadistic.

Nurgle and Tzeench don't really enjoy inflicting pain. They have their own agendas.

Malal enjoys everything so long as he can fuck everyone over.

>>54689013
>Hey Malal, it would really fuck over the Chaos Gods if you helped the Imperials resist their invasion!

>>54689013
>killing noncombatants
Khorne HATES cowards and weaklings, he spares no one.

Nurgle's diseases feel painful for anyone but Nurgle worshipers.

>>54689067
I recall that Khorne views murdering those unable to defend themselves as cowardly.

Nurgle's diseases cause pain but he doesn't himself like it. He loves spreading disease and horror but also sees it as becoming reborn, stronger, and happier through disease.

Papa Nurgle for a reason.

Say Karl Franz randomly died of a heart attack pre Storm of Chaos or End Times. Who do you think would be the next Emperor

>>54689174
Boris Todbringer.

>>54689174
Marius Leitdorf if he's still alive. Mah boy Todbringer otherwise.

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>>54689174
Added question to that question: who's next in control of Reikland after Franz? It could be that the Sigmarites would obstinately still want a Reiklander prince on the throne.

Otherwise, I'll throw Valmir von Raukov into the ring. He's a Sigmarite in an Ulrican province which may make him more palatable to both sides, and has military experience without many major flaws. Todbringer is rad, but he's too busy spending his time chasing after Beastmen to even really rule Middenland, and most other contestants are either too greedy or just chumps you wouldn't trust with ruling.

>>54689316
Not to mention funding rebels to depose Franz.

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>>54689221
Todbringer is one of Karl's closest friends among the elector counts, so why does he always fuck with you and refuse to confederate in the grand campaign?

>>54689316
His son, dummy. He's also likely to get the title of Emperor, too -- Boris and Leitdorf ain't got shit on Imperial succession.

Ludwig von Holswig-Schliestein, named for his Grandfather, the previous Emperor and Elector-Count of Reikland.

Even if Ludwig isn't elected Emperor (highly unlikely, given his pedigree -- I think even his great grandfather was Emperor), Ludwig would still be Elector-Count of Reikland.

Just because someone is elected Emperor doesn't mean they take over Reikland.

>>54689341
>>54689341
The only part of the lore that CA read is "Todbringer competed with Karl-Franz for the imperial title after Emperor Luitpold's death"

>>54689364
Not Ludwig. Luitpold.

>>54683145
Why would they wait and include the TKs in the third game when they will have the Southlands in the second?

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>>54682556
>tfw by the time I finally confederate Gausser, Todbringer, and Leitdorf are all dead and I can't have them as generals
It's not fair

>>54689370
Considering the fact CA added Fimir, I think its hard to accuse CA of being lazy with the lore, since they know something as obscure as the rape-monsters.

>>54689442
I'll say it again, Fimir are for cuddling, not rape.

>>54689341
He never really fucks with me - he's actually more peaceful than Averland is most games. Then again I play on normal mode,
but I feel like the difficulty increase is a little artificial.

>>54689364
I meant that most of the last few Emperors have been 'Reikland Princes,' with some favoritism showed towards the Elector Counts of those provinces. And the Empire doesn't have direct succession, right? I thought it was always an election. Even Franz's vote was rather narrow, if I remember right.

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>mfw burn entirety of athel loren to the ground while rest of good guys busy fighting chaos

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>>54689535
>tfw have to save Archaon's sorry ass from the Wood Elves while playing as Beastmemes

>>54689516
>And the Empire doesn't have direct succession, right? I thought it was always an election. Even Franz's vote was rather narrow, if I remember right.

Yes, it's an election, which is why they're called "Electors".
That said, technically when the Hapsburgs were in control of the HRE it was always an election, but it was still always a Hapsburg that won.
Reikland is kinda in the same boat.

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>>54689535
>before update Tree Hitler was the scariest fucking thing in the game, to the point where I was horrified to even make friends with anyone he might potentially war with
>after update Wood Elves stick inside their borders unless they smell Beastmen running about or something, and even when at war with Brets barely leave their forests, and the Brets don't dare enter the Vietnam of the Old World

Something has been lost, and while I don't outright want it back, I don't like what we've got instead much.

>>54689341
I blame Sarthorael. Him and the Advisor are manipulating everybody into fighting each other.

>>54689747
You ever notice that the Advisor will start praising your conquests while including that it was his advice that helped you, and it was as if a divine power was helping you?

The way diplomacy and what areas you end up conquering and everything can go crazy in the game makes some sense if you think Tzeentch is fucking with things.

>>54689622
It's because, as stupid as it was, the welfs were a living, breathing, organic ticking time bomb within the game. Like many real life powers in the world, they didn't spawn because an arbitrary threshold was suddenly ticked like how early expansion will result in a quicker rise of chaos. Even though they were a bunch of crazy, expansionist elf-fucks they didn't become absolutely insane until Orion began unifying the tree hugger tribes and morphed into the TRUE green tide.

And again, as a true part of the world you could - if you desired it - hinder or help it. If you were truly crazy, by turn 30 you could have built up an expedition capable of burning them down and saving the world from green chaos. Likewise, you could choose to buddy up with them and thereby join these chaotic-neutral chucklefucks in their own version of the end times.

Now though, they're not much. And it makes sense seeing as the Bretts were actually fleshed out instead of fodder for the Empire or Welfs to devour. But that sense of dread is unfortunately diminished and we're back to the Rise of Chaos artificial difficulty where never-ending waves of Chaos Warriors will delete half the empire until Archaon shows up based on the player progression & time.

This isn't to say other forces can't fill in the same role, but they don't really do it right. Tree Hitler came at you with a blitzkrieg of 7-8 armies BUT if you fought through them and reached their sacred forest, you just have to defeat 5 garrisons and the nightmare is over. That's unintentionally excellent final boss design. Orcs could fill that role, but they lose the Badlands Bowl almost 90% of the time and even then it requires you to slog through the fucking badlands to kill them all. Norsca is a slog through frozen chaos territory fighting stacks of (by then and for now) late game chariot and troll spam, which gets old fast. Vampires CAN fill the niche but usually those fuckers die mid-campaign, having done their duty as being the mid-tier boss faction. Even then they're much weaker now due to the Von Carstein/Vampire Count split as Vlad gets bullied by Averland or competes with his son for territory instead of the vanilla Mannlet crusade featuring Shwartzhafen as his bitchboys.

STOP CHURNING THROUGH THREADS SO FAST!!! I CAN'T KEEP UP!!! RRRREEEEEE!!!

>>54689102
>I recall that Khorne views murdering those unable to defend themselves as cowardly.

No, he doesn't. Khorne sent Valkia and her chosen daemons and champions to exterminate any peaceful Norse village she can find.

>>54689013
>He's bloodthirsty, but not sadistic.

Khorne has special tortures for those who slight him. People who come to his realm to steal from him are turned into living anvils for his forges.

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>>54690394
You'd think they'd at least make the Wood Elves something of a threat beyond 'eeeh its gonna be really hard to take these guys out because attrition.' I've never seen them do much more than attack Parravon, and Bretonnia gets to live pretty quietly all in all. Some games they don't do much beyond unify Bretonnia, some games they manage to conquer territory in Marienburg and Nordland...but I really feel sorry for Mousilion, goddamn. One single little territory, and they seem too afraid to ever attack their neighbors and usually get eliminated by the midgame. Though I have seen Mousilion take Lyonesse and L'Anguille once, and for a brief moment they had wolves and knights instead of skelle and zombie spam. But otherwise they're like the Wood Elves - more of a hassle than a threat.

I'd hoped with a setting like Warhammer the Total War game would include a lot of threats from a ton of different angles to juggle, but it seems more like there's always a set path to fight through and not many enemies, and the higher difficulty settings just mean the major factions confederate and get their goodies faster.

>>54690578
>peaceful Norse village
which mean "doesn't kill enough to have houses made of skulls instead of stones and blood instead of cement"

there are NO legitemately peaceful Norse that don't kill people. all Norse are murderous fucks, just some are more ardent than others

>>54690604
>‘My reward,’ he says in a voice that is barely more than a whisper in a storm, ‘is to bring word of the arrival of Kormak, Champion of Valkia the Bloody. I am his herald. What greater honour than to bring word of the arrival of the blood god’s servants?’

>My blood turns cold as ice and I clutch at the dying warrior’s arm, exchanging a look with the elder. He sits rigid, his gaze faraway, almost as if he has not heard Edred’s words. But he has heard them. It is written in the terror in his eyes, the abject fear on his face.

>‘But we are peaceful. We have… done nothing to incur the wrath of the gods!’ My pleas sound childish and pitiful and Edred shrugs, a movement that brings more blood streaming from his chest.

>‘It matters not from whence the blood flows,’ he says. ‘Only that it does.’

-From the short story "Harbinger"

Stop being a racist. They are human and all humans desire peace. Khorne doesn't though. Peace is for cowards and weaklings. The weak should fear the strong. The weak have no place in the world that Khorne dreams of.

>‘I do not know what it was that happened to you,’ panted Eris, withdrawing from the fray briefly. Sweat trickled down her face, smearing the blood and the dirt that she had gathered during the course of the battle. In the moonlight, she was pale and her expression was one of pain. The wounds she had taken during the course of conflict were beginning to take their toll on her. ‘I do not know, nor do I care. You seek to destroy my people and I cannot let you do that.’

>‘You cannot deny me,’ Valkia replied, her eyes fixed on the slender form of the warrior daughter before her. ‘The price of weakness and betrayal is death. When these cowards turned their back on me they turned their back on all they could have been. Now vengeance comes, and when I have claimed the skulls of every living Schwarzvolf warrior, I will raze the Vale.’

>‘You would slaughter the infirm and our infants?’ Eris was shocked by the words. ‘You have no compassion at all?’

>‘It matters not from whence the blood flows, Eris,’ Valkia said, leaning in close, her voice low so that Eris had to lean in to hear her. ‘So long as it does flow. Thus it must ever be.’

>Before Eris could assimilate the words, Valkia’s skull met hers in a savage head-butt and she reeled backwards, stunned by the blow. The daemon princess spread her wings and stood straight, a truly awesome sight to behold and she lowered Slaupnir at her child.

>‘Thus it will be!’

Valkia slaughtered her own tribe. She and her daemonic army slaughtered those who can fight (including her own daughter), and then rode down the children and the elderly. All in the name of Khorne who was most pleased with his bride.

Khorne cares not, always remember that.

>>54690656
>They are human
sure are
Neanderthal, as opposed to Homo Sapiens Imperials and others

they can trade with normal humans, as they need to buy weapons not made of dried shit, and scout for wealth, but other than that they are Always Chaotic Evil.

>>54690685
Archaon is half Norseman. He was a decent fellow. In fact, he was the best of humanity can offer before Chaos sank its claws into him. Righteous, just, noble, and compassionate.

>>54690705
a really good person wouldn't have become a Big Bad.
apparently he was only good only while there wasn't any real pressure, and in truth he was full of rot and malice

>>54690737
Archaon went to hell and back to resist Chaos. The last straw was when Sigmar, his father-figure and deity, showed him only silence after a life dedicated to his service. Even in his damnation, he was never truly the Chaos Gods. Merely using them to lash out against the false man-god who abandoned him.

Other Imperials have cracked under less pressure.

>>54690767
>Even in his damnation, he was never truly the Chaos Gods. Merely using them to lash out against the false man-god who abandoned him.
add supreme pettiness to his list of vices
he should be made a honorary dwarf for that

so many martyr in our world never broke even though no god would answer them. Archaon has no excuse besides being a bitch

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>>54690767
>>54690705
>>54690656
>>54690676

>>54690853
So who's bigger edgelord, Malekith or Archeon?
Malekith does look like a bigger one in my opinion, with all those spikes and stuff

>>54690870
Malekith is "nuthing personnel kid" edgelord.
Archaon is just armored emoboy

>>54690685
>as opposed to Homo sapien Imperials and sheep Averlanders and others

>>54690870
Archaon is the edgelord fedora tipping atheist.
Malekith is a bitter cunt with savage bantz.

what if we removed Malekith and Archaon from the setting and replaced them with adequate villains?

>>54690985
Archon can be quite easily removed, dunno about Malekith though, he's a pretty big part of TWO major factions lore

>>54691005
3 actually, because he indirectly created wood elves through his dick moves.

>>54690985
>Malekith
>Villain
Rightful
King

>>54685998
>generic daemon prince played with Be'lakor's model

You can rage about Carnac all you want but using this battle report for it is disingenuous.

>>54682556
>tfw playing bretonnia for shits
>tfw Leonceor destroys everything
>just farm the orcs then go around confederating everyone since everyone loves me except the sea fuckers
>tfw get the legendary trait for winning all my battles
>plus the ladies blessing
>immune to morale loss
>all my abilities are keyed to having high morale
>infinitely regenerating HP and other bonuses
>solo an entire necromancer army

At what point does he just start shitting out Kamehameha's

>>54691054
>french
>infinite morale
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>54691054
It's a bit after the point where a single peasant can solo the entire end times invasion event all at once

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Would it KILL the fucking dwarves to have a goddamn CHARIOT or something? I know they don't have cavalry in tabletop, lore, but gyrocopters are so high in the tech tree it's fucking infuriating.

>>54691123
Why have a chariot if you can have a GYROCOPTER?
Also since dorfs mostly live in the mountains, I don't think they would see a chariot as that useful

>>54691142
>not having a bladed chariot riding down a chariot-wide tunnel, mowing down Skaven

>>54682556
Im looking for a collection of official and really good inofficial WHF art. Did not find a collection in the OP.

>>54689442
They just saw fimirs in Forge World's catalogue when looking for models to give to Norsca.

>>54691194
>Ralying on animals instead of dawi craftsmanship

>>54691225
well, they can a steam automaton or rune golem push that thing down the tunnel

>>54683991
Endhammer is shit

>>54691234
Didn't they forget how to make those golems?
Also how long do you think it would take them to accept something this experemental?

>>54690985
What's wrong with Malekith

>>54691252
Nothing, he's the best leader the Dark Elves could hope to have.

What is your favourite, obscure piece of warhams lore?
Mine is Kislevs traditions regarding spirits

>>54691252
he's too edgy

>>54691317
He don't want to destroy anything like chaos he wants to rule world.

>>54690789
>add supreme pettiness to his list of vices

Not pettiness. Twisted compassion. He didn't want others to suffer as he had so he blew up the world and ended its suffering and all potential suffering. The pure and corrupted would find salvation in oblivion leaving nothing for the Chaos Gods to torment and abuse ever again. It's more than what Sigmar have ever done for his Archaon and humanity.

>>54691329
still edgy
he'd be more awesome if he wore, dunno, a good like Palpating, or maybe regular armor and mask, like king from Kingdom of Heavens and Darkest Dungeon, or something
not sleek looking armor fused to his flesh, constant pain, that sort of edgy shit

>>54691352
add violent autism and severe schizophrenia to his list vices too

>>54691386
To be fair he and mother have elderly dementia.

>>54691352
so he's discount Rasal Ghoul from Batman Baggins. or Caecillius from Doctor Strange

>>54691396 >>54691355

>>54691396
His mother lost her mind when her repeated attempts to abort him were foiled by Be'lakor resetting time. She would go through the trauma of abortion but wake up again still pregnant.

It was said that Archaon's mother was pure of heart and unremarkable. The kind of mortal that the Chaos Gods utterly loathes. Just a fisherman's wide and loving mother living a mundane and honest life. I disagree with that. She tried to murder the bundle of joy in her belly just because the horrible way he was conceived. She tried to kill an innocent soul that did nothing wrong.

>>54691451
I meant Malekith.

>>54685998
>WITH ROCKS

>>54685998
A reminder that was that was Be'lakor model used as a generic daemon prince. He isn't named in the battle report and the lore matches nothing with what we know with Be'lakor. You losers cannot bring Be'lakor down with fake news tier tactics.

>>54685406
For the first week TWW1 armies arnt playable in 2, then all maps combine.

>>54691503
>the lore matches nothing with what we know with Be'lakor
they are both pathetic, so there's that

>>54691352
....so he's one of those shitty anime villains who they try to make sympathetic by adding some pathetic tragedy that somehow is suppose to "justify" their crazy without the writer actually having the skill to pull off actual sympathetic characterization?
Not even usual villains, you're describing ones from chick anime like Sailor Moon or Inuyasha; all of their villains have some shittily written sob story slapped on and then go right on acting like generic villains.

>>54691518
Except Be'lakor is extremely vexxing combatant since he is intangible at will. Physical weapons both mundane and magical phase through his body. ROCKS stupidity alone disproves that daemon is Be'lakor. Be'lakor wouldn't be bodily dragged down by rocks when he is shapeless, formless, massless shadow.

Deal with it. Lizards can never beat the true Be'lakor.

>>54691557
>ROCKED

>>54691557
I did once.

>>54691546
that's infuriating
why are people so reluctant to make decent villains that want to conquer the world because BEING KING OF THE WORLD IS COOL, not because they were bullied at school?

>>54691546
In Archaon's case, in WHFB, his logic makes the most sense since the world was going to be eventually consumed by Chaos. It couldn't be helped. Maybe in a hundred years or 10 thousand, it was going to happen. Instead of a slow lingering death at the pleasure of the Chaos Gods, a sudden and quick end it better. When the Chaos Gods flush of victory fades, they will realise that they fucked up.

>>54691570

Then it wasn't real and doesn't count!

>>54691569
I know the Lizardmen were rocked. No need to tell me.

>>54685615
Chaos takes over, but they haven't truly won: the remnants of society have fled to the last vestiges of dwarven hold outs and dig ever deeper. Skaven are not off the plate for chaos, so the small bands of rebel forces of order have some moral quandary: deal with the rat men who will without a doubt back stab you (and cross that bridge when it comes) or reject the rat whisperings and somehow try to unit what's left under the world and push back, a sort of reversal of roles where order becomes the raiding, disjointed force.

Maybe have some sort of lizardmen mcguffin in not!Aztec country that will help. Can't get there by ship since topside everything is demons and brimstone, so they gotta sneak about or find some weird, really deep underway that might have something horrible hidden in it.

>>54691595
>It couldn't be helped. Maybe in a hundred years or 10 thousand, it was going to happen.
aaaaand? Our world will burn in the flames of Sun when goes red giant mode. Does it mean we should the world now?


Also, Pterry put it best in Small Gods
>"In hundred years we will all be dead. But here and know we are alive."

>>54691569
Doesn't matter anyway, he's not even a real Warhammer fan, just a troll.
I mean he talks like his favorite fictional character is a real person and then takes it 100% seriously and never fails to show up; he's either a troll baiting you or actually not mentally well because of his monomaniacal obsession over his favorite fictional character in his moderately well-known hobby that in the grand scheme of things is kinda not even that well known or anything because he's a character from a seriously niche piece media entertainment, namely tabletop model wargaming.

It's like if he walked around thinking Shadow the Hedgehog was real or something.

>>54691594
Just ignore Archaon's fluff written since the SoC retcon, he wasn't a nihilist before.

>>54691613
>aaaaand?

The sun isn't oppressing and harassing us to death. If our sun was like the Necrontyr home sun, then I would say then yes death is better than being forced to endure generations of cancer and radiation sickness.

>>54691616
Nice projection you got there. Petty in reality I am more of a warhams fan than you will ever be.

>>54691638
Chaos is no different from what our world had to suffer in Middle Ages. Plague and barbarian raiders.

>>54691594
It's a level of writing that is done to add artificial character depth without foreshadowing and even more often without actually having the skill necessary to add it convincingly.
>>54691595
No, you're confused.
I'm not complaining about sympathetic villains, I'm complaining about shitty writing and how shitty writers shittily write sympathetic villains as a way to try and make stuff "deep" but wind up coming off as whiny goth kids from the early 90's who complained about their parents "not understanding them" or something like that.
Your boy Archaeon is unfortunately subject to this.
>>54691601
Neither does he, he's made up.
So yeah, I did it once.

>>54691651
Probably, you do seem rather unhealthily obsessed with it. Or at least this one particular character I guess? I dunno.
I'm not on here enough, I just came to check on any progress of the new WFRPG edition.

>>54691630
He seems to work better as "generic evil Dark Warlord guy". His silly ass name and incredibly over the top design definitely shouts "I am trying super hard to look like a generic evil overlord", so why not just let him be what his character is designed to be, a big impressive stand-in villain for an event that otherwise is unremarkable?

>>54691194
>designing your hold to be easy for cavalry to use when you have the finest infantry on the planet

Umgak manling logic strikes again.

Though really, a chariot would not be amiss. You'd figure that caravans in the underway and in manling lands would want some sort of swift escort.

>>54691654
>our world
You mean Europe.
So sort of a relatively small portion of it.
...actually, come to think of it not even all parts of Europe had it that bad at the time, though certainly worse then modern day just due the prevalence of diseases.

>>54691655
>>54691655
>Your boy Archaeon is unfortunately subject to this.

Dude, perhaps you don't relate to Archaon because you haven't suffered as he had. You know daddy issues, existential/religious crisis, etc etc. Your failure to relate to a character doesn't make him/her bad. Archaon's behaviour is believable for some on in his position. We can see it happening in the real world albeit without the Chaos powers and genocide mostly. According to the seminar by Archaon's creator, Archaon whole purpose was to be a sympathetic and relatable villain so Chaos wouldn't appear to be wholly Chaotic evil baby eaters.

>>54691252
Besides having lost like a dozen wars at thick point?

>>54691451
No one is talking about Archaon the Nuthin Personnel or Be'lacuck.

>>54691557
Be'lacuck couldn't even win a fight with one dwarf who wanted to die and was naked.

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>>54691557
>screaming
>with ROCKS

>>54691750
Felix helped!

>>54691717
I don't relate to him because he's poorly written, and there was no seminar.
I'll take another (You) please.
>>54691735
Be nice to the emotionally unstable kid.

>>54691772
Not that anon, but I'm sure that makes it much better. Still pretty pathetic.

>>54691750
When they first met, Gotrek couldn't touch him. His rune axe that had anti-Chaos properties and have been the bane of daemons went through Be'lakor as if he wasn't even there.

When they fought in the final novel, Gotrek inherited Grimnir's divinity and activated the Rune of Unmaking which is weapon created by the Dwarfen Smith god to destroy the Chaos Gods. Be'lakor was cleaved by the axe but survived proving his endurance. However, the axe fucked him up bad. Though, he managed to walk it off later.

>>54691682
>over the top design

He's just a tall chaos warrior with horns slightly bigger than average. He's one of the least ove the top special characters in the game, which works to his advantage. There are generic characters more over the top than him (Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord, Nurge Lord).

>>54691792
When you're wounded and you don't kill the guy and have to walk it off?
That's actually called "retreating", to use tactical terminology. It's something that people who are loosing do.

>>54691451
fuck off. Archaon was an evil retard who should have been put in the soup pot when he was pushed out of the twat.

>>54691800
Granted, but he reads and looks like a checklist put together by a corporate focus group. Which come to think of it he probably was.

>>54691777
>and there was no seminar

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnfo-cegsG4
>35 : 00

So what you are saying is
A) You didn't read his lore
B) You are being dishonest

Take all the (you) you want as long as you fumble your side of the discussion like this.

>>54691777
>there was no seminar.

https://youtu.be/Hnfo-cegsG4?t=35m36s

>>54691801
I am not disputing that he lost. I am disputing the fact that it was just a naked dwarf.

It was a naked Dwarf God swinging a divine weapon created to kill gods.

>>54691768
I know that the lizardmen were flattened by rocks. No need to tell me!

>in our world humans have exceptional endurance, pain resistance and regeneration
>if Tolkin's works humans are exceptionally strong
>in D&D humans are exceptionally resourceful
>in WHFB humans are most mediocre thing ever

why is that?

>>54691820
I'm saying
A: His lore was poorly written
B: I'm not being dishonest, I really don't care and his character really is that poorly written.
I'll take another (You) please.
>>54691828
That dude has a serious ego for someone so monumentally irrelevant.
I'll take another (You) please.

>>54691843
>I am not disputing that he lost. I am disputing the fact that it was just a naked dwarf. It was a naked Dwarf God swinging a divine weapon created to kill gods.

So he's not really that special after all then? I mean, if he can just loose to something designed to kill him and things like him I fail to see the appeal.
It's like thinking it's impressive that a guy can be killed by bullets which are specifically made to kill human beings.
I'll take another (You) please.

>>54691451
>pro life detected

>>54691863
Archaon was always shittier Abaddon ripoff.

>>54691861
>in our world humans have exceptional endurance, pain resistance and regeneration
>regeneration
???
We get crippled/die pretty easy without aid.

>>54691861
>in our world humans have exceptional endurance, pain resistance and regeneration

Compared to what? Other sentient lifeforms?

>>54691861
Meh. There's some pretty badass heroes among humanity in Warhammer. Maybe on average they suck but on average that's true of most factions.

Also, you are not making an accurate statement about Tolkien's works, humans were on average no stronger then we are, just their heroes were greater. And even those were few in number and vastly diminished by the time of the War of the Ring.

>>54691863
1) You obviously don't know his lore and his character development
2) You totally lied either intentionally or out of ignorance. To add to this didn't apologise or admit your mistake

Either way you lost this argument.

>>54691863
>someone so monumentally irrelevant.
>wrote 5th edition Realm/Champions of Chaos and invented Chaos Marauders and several special characters, including Archaon, Khazrak and Dechala
>wrote 5th edition Vampire counts and invented the vampiric bloodlines and several special characters, including Neferata and Walach
>wrote Mordheim
>wrote the 6th edition core rules
>irrelevant

>>54691893
a horse with broken leg is a dead horse
a human with broken leg needs two sticks and a couple weeks

>>54691902
to animals

>>54691905
Aragorn and Boromir were space marine tier huge.

>>54691891
This is probably true.
They sort of fulfill the exact same role; to be some spikey dude in black armor who's destiny is to kill everything in a merchandise-driven sales event
Like I said, he feels like something a focus group dreamed up.

>>54691919
And like space marines weren't normal humans.

>>54691907
Who's even arguing?
I'll take another (You) please.
>>54691908
I want you to go outside and talk to some random folks about those things without explaining and see how they react. Or better yet, DO explain and see how fast you can get them to "don't understand" to "really don't care".
That's what I meant by irrelevant; he talks like he's big shit, like he created Darth Vader or something but in another twenty years he'll be lucky if he's even important enough to be employed.
I'll take another (You) please.

>>54691885
Dude, pretending to be retarded just makes you a retard. Re-read the post chain.

>>54691891
Abaddon isn't written to be sympathetic. He just a greedy asshole who wants to topple the Imperium out of vengeance and ambition to rule mankind. He is a straight up villain.

Archaon from the get go was meant to be a sympathetic villain. He doesn't seek power and glory for himself. That's beneath him. His twisted righteousness and compassion forces him to do evil things that he believes are for the greater good. GW has described him as some one ranging from anti-hero to an anti-villain.

>>54691917
You can still die of a broken leg, you know that right? Without antibiotics we can die of pretty much anything.

>>54691919
Aragorn was just really tall, but nowhere is it said he was a hunk

>>54691938
>>54691919
Theoden then. A really old dude, not a Numenorean, and still kicked an obscene amount of ass

>>54691919
No, they were not.
Aragon was 6'6", which is big but not impossibly large or impossibly built.
Boromir was even shorter at 6'4" and actually broader in shoulder then Aragorn was, which means he fits the description of my boss at work.
Xbox Huge was not yet a style that had been invented when Tolkien wrote his novels, so he had impressive but actually realistic proportions in mind.

>>54691923
Abaddon does not want to kill everything. His entire goal is to cuck the Chaos Gods from destroying the galaxy and rule the Dark Imperium as the Dark Emperor. He believes that's it's his birthright to rule over mankind. He is an irredeemable villain. If Abaddon wins, the galaxy continues.

Archaon is far from what Abaddon is. Because Archaon lacks any mortal and immortal ambition, he would see the world burned to ash and him alongside it.

>>54691960
>Dude, pretending to be retarded just makes you a retard. Re-read the post chain.
I did. It was boring.
I'll take another (You) please.
>GW has described him as some one ranging from anti-hero to an anti-villain.
Man, he was shifting written then. Too bad.
I'll take another (You) please.

>>54691999
Dude, shoo shoo. It's over. You lost. You can't even adequately read anymore or hold a coherent conversation.

>>54691938
I don't recall Boromir having elf blood. Aragorn was descendant of elves and maia.

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>>54691998
Continued....

This is a bad guy. He is Lawful Evil.

>>54691963
>Aragorn was just really tall, but nowhere is it said he was a hunk
In fact it's stated that Boromir is physically broader then him, so he's probably kinda lean comparatively.
>Theoden then. A really old dude, not a Numenorean, and still kicked an obscene amount of ass
Theoden was in pretty good shape for a guy in his sixties, wasn't he?

>>54692014
I don't require a conversation. You can in fact type nothing and give me what I want.
Which is, by the way, another (You). Please.

>>54692034
This is a dark hero. His alignment ranges from chaotic good to chaotic neutral.

Know the difference it might save your life.

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>>54692055
Opps forget my picture.

>>54692055
Be pretty hard for a fake guy to save my life. Or threaten it I guess.
I'll take another (You) please.

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>>54692062

>>54691960
Archeon is a lame figure head that was needed so Valten had someone to fight. He was just another Chaos Warlord who made it big.

>>54692073
This strikes me as funny for some reason.

>>54692080
I think his author was assblasted that during Storm of Chaos they got stomped so hard and nobody really cared about him and then he canonically got stomped by a Greenskin and so he basically wrote fan fiction until his favorite creation won.
Kinda sad really.

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>>54692080
Valten and Archaon's fight in the End Times was one of the most metal things in the series. The sick burns that Valten deliver. That manly moment when Archaon hugs Valten's corpse and screams in grief and denial. I would pay for someone to animate that scene.

Anyways Archaon is surely older than Valten in the lore development.

>>54691998
>Archaon is far from what Abaddon is.
...but both are shitty paint-by-numbers villains meant to drive merchandise sales?
I'll take another (You) please.

>>54692111
>Anyways Archaon is surely older than Valten in the lore development.
I think you are technically correct.
Shame the execution was so poor though.

>>54692111
Nobody's ever going to animate that piece of silly garbage.
I'll take another (You) please.

>>54691861
No, only special breeds of human were strong in Tolkien's work. Like the descendants of Numenor or those with elf blood like Imrahil.

>>54692139
Theoden

>>54692016
they both (and Imrahil too) have Numenorean blood
it gives more perks that even Elven descent, although all half-elves are of Numenorean descent incidentally

>>54692139
Actually, Húrin was stated by Tolkien to be the greatest warrior the race of Men ever produced in their history, and he was just a regular person in terms of lineage, from a noble house but having no elven or divine blood. It's not how elven blood works anyway in Middle-earth.
Shit was just more hardcore during the First Age I guess.

>>54692097
I like how you're inventing things to support your dislike of a fictional character.

>>54692162
Technically the elven blood doesn't do anything for them at all if they make their choice to become human and not elf.
They basically become Men for all intents and purposes.

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>when your autistic lizards riding lizards kill Chaos's first son with rocks and you don't even have to use your magic

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>>54692121
The only shitty thing was killing off Valten in SoC. I really wanted to see where the story takes Valten and Archaon. Archaon was shocked to see birtmark of twin tailed on Valten. Here was living proof of the existence of Sigmar. The rivalry between them, the doubt and uncertainty Valten will spark in Archaon, and all the sexual tension that would never happen is a missed chance.

>>54692162
>guy that spent his entire life in battle pretty much
That's just being fit.

>>54692165
First age was a magical time when elves killed elves, and the dark lord mostly sat around scratching his balls before sending orcs to fuck with people.

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>>54692192
>when Lizardfags project their rock-based extinction on a based character

Which Be'lakor indirectly caused by the way.

>>54692173
In all fairness I'm not sure if the creator was really upset or anything that Grimgor head butted him during Storm of Chaos and that Chaos didn't really get many victories due to the Forces of Light players doing a weird amount of coordination.
Truth be told I couldn't care much either way since it IS his creator's right to write bad fanfiction if he's upset and is allowed to write fluff, or to do it for other reasons either.