/wfg/ - Warhammer Fantasy General: SCREAMING with ROCKS Edition

>>54693053
Fake news edition.

>Denied permanent form by the Great Changer, the daemon prince had found a way to turn his curse into a gift. Every time Archaon’s blessed blade nicked, stabbed or sliced through the abomination’s flesh it was the emptiness of shadow. Whenever Be’lakor’s huge blade came down at the Chaos warrior, however, the daemon prince momentarily assumed all the monstrous brawn and infernal ire of his physical form. How Archaon could defeat such a creature– that was at once everything and nothing– he did not know. While his mind reeled with the futility of the task, his father-in-shadow proceeded to press his diabolical advantage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

Remember when these threads were comfy? I hope whoever called them dead back then is happy now.

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>>54693105
>The centre of the chamber had been scoured bare. The altar was gone. There was no sign of the sorcerers, the warpstone sigil, or anything else for that matter besides a hole in the ground. Power crackled across the chamber, incandescent flares licking the walls and causing stone to dribble like fat. Black horrors gambolled without purpose, slapping into columns and each other as the walls shook. And in the midst of their disarray, a dark angel wavered like smoke.

>It was Be’lakor.

>The daemon prince was almost as large as the Beast, larger still if one counted its leathery wingspan or the jagged height of its black crown. But where that degraded monster had been a rounded mass of malformed muscle and bone plates, Be’lakor was lithe, his powerful body sculpted in volcanic glass. That statuesque might was now hunched, as though wounded, bat wings cocooning its body. How it had come to be hurt, Felix could only hazard. Gotrek’s axe passed through the daemon’s leg trailing a wisp of black smog.

>The daemon laughed coldly, the creak of glacial ice. ‘You have taken my army, you have beaten my champion. My ritual has been spoiled but not ruined.’ The daemon’s voice was sonorous and smooth, but just a voice now that it did not cross planes. The chamber trembled, sending dust through the daemon’s body. It chuckled darkly, as though tickled. ‘I will be free. I may find myself five years past or five hundred. It is but a turning of the world to an immortal.’

>‘We’re both here now, you sack of steam.’ Gotrek made another swing. The runes of his axe flared with a frustrated brilliance as they clove through the smoke that was the daemon prince, Be’lakor. ‘Fight me now and have done.’

>Be’lakor continued to fade. Only an outline remained, shadow upon shadow, a hint of a crown. ‘Your doom is coming. Trust that when it nears, it will be my hand that guides it.’

-"City of the Damned" novella

"Do the shadow shuffle"

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>>54693105
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>>54693205
>Characters cannot have unique traits earned from their special circumstances

You must live in boring unimaginative world.

>>54693053
Reminder that Mallobaude did nothing wrong

>carnac is still so buttblasted that he vomits unrelated greentexts at the mere sight of rocks
>even if none tried to claim who actually was hit by the rocks

truly, the natural place of shadows is to be found under rocks

>>54693105
>>54693148
*it was a hologram*
Nothin' personnel.... kid

>>54693123
Blame the people that take the Lord of autism's bait.
On a more positive note, does anyone plan of playing Norsca when it comes out? Is the monster hunting just another character quest, or an entirely new mechanic?

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>>54693313
>so buthhurt that he says that text that BTFO him is unrelated

Be'lakor : one dead world. You : zero.

>>54693148
"FOOOOL, nothing of this world can harm me!"

-Aku

>>54693295
See, now THAT'S a villainous character with potential!

>>54693376
https://youtu.be/kO3c1Rd-nNE

>>54693335
*travels through time behind u*

Heh, not bad kid...

*unsheathes evercuck*

Get ready to see true power.

>>54693335
Dude, ghosts and wraiths in WHFB work the same way as Be'lakor except for the fact that Be'lakor can also make holy and tainted weapons phase through him as well.

One added piece of information. Be'lakor is older than all the rites and words of banishment and exorcism. This makes him resistant to such magics.

>>54693437
>This makes him resistant to such magics.

But not rocks.

>>54693123
Blame /v/ermin and roleplayers.

>>54693427
*it was actually a generic daemon prince*
Pshh... Good effort, but not enough, lizard kids

Is there a free form RP cliche that DOESN'T apply to him?

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>>54693053
how are lizardmemes always so effective?

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>>54693399
>Our fair lady is a beautiful elven goddess that saved our people and granted them thousands of years of prosperity and strength?! And all she asked of his is to lend her our strength in her time of need to smite the great evil?!!!!
>FUCK EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING IZ LIES. ALL OUR OATHS MUST BE BROKEN.

It keeps happening. Why are fantasy frenchman such retards?

>>54693466
Memes is all they have.

>>54693466
They're not.
Rock posting was created to shut Carnac up yet it just makes him talk more.

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>>54693437
>time is meaningless to chaos
>but he's older than the rituals that work on all the other daemons so that's ok
Do you not see the problem?
Do you not see the mental gymnastics required to justify this is not indicative of good writing?

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>>54693466
>>54693455
>>54693444

>>54693444
It's confirmed in the novel that the Changeling adopted the form of Be'lakor to undermine his operations.

Also Be'lakor can split his essence to create shadow clones of himself. When Archaon tried to seal him in a dwarf sword, Be'lakor split into hundreds of Be'lakor and each one tried to flee.

Also keep dreaming. Lizards cannot touch Be'lakor. It's known.

>>54693053
fuck me this picture sent me rolling on the floor

>>54693501
In my eyes, it's better to have him sperging out than the usual insidious shitposting that someone who doesn't know any better might mistake for honest debate.
I'd rather have neither, of course, but in theory people can ignore the blatant sperg out

>>54693489
>we were literally being used as a tool
>I should just obey like a good goy
I'd turn to chaos on the spot and make it a point to shit on everything she holds dear while making her watch it.

>>54693053
What kind of bitch ass demon prince wanna be gets destroyed by rocks?

Lmao

>>54693538
>Also Be'lakor can split his essence to create shadow clones of himself. When Archaon tried to seal him in a dwarf sword, Be'lakor split into hundreds of Be'lakor and each one tried to flee.
N-nani?!?!

>>54693550
>In my eyes, it's better to have him sperging out

Probably because you're a dumbass rock-poster. The only way to beat a troll is to ignore it. You really think he'd keep posting if you just ignored him?

>>54693538
>Lizards cannot touch Be'lakor. It's known.
You see you're not paying attention?
The rocks hit him, not the lizards.

>>54693503
Dude, daemon princes are always connected to their origin point in reality. That's why they can exist in reality/mortal plane longer (sometimes indefinitely) than normal daemons. The fact that mortal Be'lakor was born in primordial times before any word of banish or rite of exorcism was invented and written makes daemon Be'lakor resistant to those kind of magics.

It make sense to me. As Lucifer of the setting, he should be unique among the daemons.

>>54693489
>being pure enough to survive the grail and see the truth, instead of getting made the lady's bitch
He should have been crowned king on the spot.
Imagine if he'd freed them all from the lady and then invited the dwarfs to help bring the country in line with the empire's technology? Or maybe further?

>>54693554
>t. egdefag

>>54693592
Step 1: provoke sperg out to confirm case of Carnac rather than an idiot or ignorant person
Step 2: ignore it
Pretty simple

>>54693608
Cannot touch him with anything in their arsenal. Be it rocks or the Slaan magics.

>>54693508
PBUH

>>54693625
Better an edgefag than a tool.

>>54693652
>t.Archaon

Lileath did nothing wrong.

>>54693615
Windmills do not work that way.
Being born before someone figures out how to create a fireball wouldn't stop it from burning your face off, so why shouldn't it work the same with exorcism?
>As Lucifer of the setting, he should be unique among the daemons.
Lucifer is a little bitch that gets blown the fuck out repeatedly. That's pretty much his job.

>>54693636
>Give Carnac replies
>He keeps coming back

Okay, how about this instead.

>Don't reply to Carnac

Wow, even simpler.

>>54693661
Except for causing a bunch of human suffering, not even letting her toy box be at peace from Athel Loren, and being a right cunt that steals children.
Congratulations on making me actually sympathize with chaos.

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>>54693615
why would rites stop working on things older than the them?

isn't that extremely counterintuitive since the first rite would logically have been created to fight something that existed before it?

>>54693053
>unnamed hack'n'slash genre Warhammer vidya
Okay what did I miss? Can anyone tell me more about this?

>>54693392
>belacuck's crown has less aura size than ghal maraz
LITTLE DEMONIC AoE
BIG HUMAN AURA

>>54693682
>Don't reply to Carnac
If one could read minds through the computer, that would be the ideal situation.
Refusing to reply to every slightly obnoxious little tit out of fear of it being the arch sperger himself is not something I'd like to be doing.
Refusing to reply to someone blatantly sucking off their character or faction of choice is something I'd prefer

>>54693675
>so why shouldn't it work the same with exorcism?

Think of banishment magic as an antibody/vaccine. Be'lakor is an ancient disease that exists before these were invented. So the antibodies/vaccines that were created after his time would have lesser effects on him since his essence is stranger and incompatible to these magics.

>Lucifer is a little bitch that gets blown the fuck out repeatedly. That's pretty much his job.

And it happens to be Be'lakor job as well. Fail to pave way for the story progress and the hour of the Antichrist.

>>54693711
Daemons are fragments of mortal thoughts and feelings. Words of banishment will work if a mortal belives they will and that is part of the daemon's essence. Be'lakor is too old and strong though, he predates the concept so it's not baked into him.

>>54693744
>Can anyone tell me more about this?
No, because that's all we know

>>54693766
So we don't even know who's making it? Where did you even learn about it's existence?

>>54693753
>Be'lakor is an ancient disease that exists before these were invented. So the antibodies/vaccines that were created after his time would have lesser effects on him since his essence is stranger and incompatible to these magics.
that makes even less sense.

>>54693753
>So the antibodies/vaccines that were created after his time would have lesser effects on him since his essence is stranger and incompatible to these magics.
That would be perfectly understandable, but he seems to be pretty much immune to them unless I've been suffering some terrible reading comprehension, not just suffering a reduced effect.

>>54693758
this is bullshit and makes no sense

much like the entirety of the Bel'akor character

>>54693777
I...don't remember?

but a quick google search told me this
>developed by How to Survive studio Eko Software

>>54693795
How does it not make sense.

A modern day vaccine for a disease won't work on the same kind of disease 1000 years ago. Be'lakor is a primordial daemon. The first of his kind. The rules that ably to daemons that came after him don't all apply to him.

>>54693758
>he predates the concept
but a human from a somewhat civilised time can't predate concepts human thought when they couldn't even talk

>>54693802
>but he seems to be pretty much immune to them

He isn't immune to them. He just happens to very resistant.

>>54693847
apply*

>>54693748
>If one could read minds through the computer, that would be the ideal situation.

Because Carnac uses totally fresh and original material all the time, right? He's not been posting about Archaon and Be'lakor for years at this point, correct?
Just stop. Trying to outsmart him does't work, trying to out meme him doesn't work, trying to out autisim him doesn't work. Just do not reply.

>>54693847
>A modern day vaccine for a disease won't work on the same kind of disease 1000 years ago.
that's why you make a different vaccine for the other disease

...do you even know how vaccines work?

>>54693887
Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. Letting Carnac go unchallenged is stupid.

>>54693825
Hmm intersting, guess we'll have to wait and see how good the game will be.
Still hoping that some day there will be witcher-like RPG set in the Old World

>>54693903
Here is the issue. Nobody knows how to make a vaccine for Be'lakor. His essence is incomprehensible to everyone but the gods who created him. So they stick with what they know. True that the words of banishment are less effective against him, true that they will take a longer time and more energy to work, true that he will likely kill you before you are finished, but that's all you got.

>>54693918
>Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.

Not problems in general no, but definitely trolls.
You know he's trying to annoy you and get you to reply to him. You're part of the problem if you reply.
If you didn't reply he'd get bored and leave.

>Letting Carnac go unchallenged is stupid.

How? It's obviously the smartest option, challenging him is what /tg/ has been doing for years, and it has never ever worked. Thinking that it will at this point is insane.

>>54693963
Don't people need the real name of the daemon to banish him?

>>54693983
It's one form of banishment magic, yes. Saying the true name of a daemon gives you power over it, to banish or command it. However, no one in WHFB knows the true name of Be'lakor. It's lost to history.

>>54694016
That makes sense

>>54693936
God, I hope so.

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>>54693983
Nah, rocks will do it.

>>54693980
I don't think he is a even troll like you say he is. If we let him do as he pleases then people might start believing the things he says.

>>54694083
>I don't think he is a even troll like you say he is.

He obviously is.

>If we let him do as he pleases then people might start believing the things he says.

So? How many new people do you think genuinely come here? Not a lot is my guess.
Those that do might see a post or two saying BE'LAKOR #1 ALSO ARCHAON #1 and if they think that so what?

That's assuming he bothers to post those initial posts once people stop taking the bait.

>>54694111
You would think dwarfs would make tunnel boring machines.

>>54693918
But how do you challenge someone who always uses official fluff sources?

>>54694196
He only uses post-SoC sources, it's easily discarded.

>>54694146
>>54694146
>He obviously is.
No troll is that dedicated to be doing this for so long. Most People can see that and can't resist the urge to piss on an autists favourite toys.

>>54694146
>That's assuming he bothers to post those initial posts once people stop taking the bait.
What if I love triggering his autism by spouting ROCKED maymays?

>>54694064
maybe rocks is its true name?

>>54694269
It's a very old name so it might be it.

>>54694160
They would if they weren't boring by themselves

>>54694269
>its

He is a he. Be'lakor used his daemonic dong to father half-breeds from every race in the setting. Don't doubt his manhood.

>>54694219
>No troll is that dedicated to be doing this for so long.

They are if they're consistently getting replies.

>>54694242
>What if I love triggering his autism by spouting ROCKED maymays?

Then you're as bad as he is and should fuck off.

>>54694297
Is there be'lacuck porn ?

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>>54693608

>>54694297
But he literally abandoned his manhood for daemonhood

you were also saying he's incapable of getting rockd hard

>>54694318
No Be'lakor rule 34....yet. However, it's canonical that humans who look upon his form feel as much attraction as they feel horror. Like a male looking daemonette.

>>54694160
They - they do.

>>54694376
I have to admit it's actually very impressive how many red flags of the OCdonut coldsteel sue they were able to shove into a single character.

>>54694368
>Be'lakor gets an erection
>banishes himself

>>54694368
>You think you are the first to bear such dark honours? Be’lakor asked, the question like a scorpion’s sting. You are a nothing. Born of nothing. The hollow fruit of an empty womb. All that you are I put in there. But think not that I afford you any affection for that. My half-breeds roam the world. Thousands more serve me not in flesh but in deed. They carry my mark. They live for my favour. They know their place. They do not carp and question. They serve the darkness of this world through the darkness they find in themselves. They serve their father-in-shadow– the darkness that is Be’lakor, you worthless wretch. As you should.

Father of a thousand thousand half daemon children.

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Anyways, here is a cool move from Be'lakor. He can phase his body parts inside people and then solidify them.

>Indeed, the Chaos warrior had stoked the fires of his father’s daemonic fury. More than he could know– for seconds later the colossal shadow sword passed straight through him in a murderous arc of darkness and gore. The armour of the Everchosen remained untouched by the blade that had simply solidified as it had cut Archaon in two within his plate. The Chaos warrior’s legs took two more stumbling steps before collapsing beneath him. In a cacophonous clatter, Archaon reached the floor, coming to a stop on his side. With his final, dust-choked breaths he watched the hulking abomination that was Be’lakor tower over him, the muscular black flesh of his chest rising and falling with effort and a father’s regret.

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>>54694376
So does that make him a cuntboy?
I know daemonettes are futas but that only makes them better, so how does he fare in that department? Can he be buttpregnant?

>>54694520
He said every race, that means was fucked by fimir.

I'm actually enjoying the various incarnations of carnac sperging in this thread.
His sternmost defence of this failure of a fictional chareacter is hilarious.

>>54694488
not doubting it, but where are its children?
there are many situations where they could have helped, I bet; did they ever appear?

also
>hollow womb
how did he know?
don't tell me he checked

>>54694520
Rule 63 could work I guess. I mean it's not like he has a permanent form. He is 1/4 Slaanesh so anything goes. Someone draw girl Be'lakor now!

>>54693795
Except that with most diseases it's always the newer strain that is more resistent

>>54694617
But also 1/4 Nurgle and spreading daemonic stds.
Be'lawhore seems a more apt name.

>>54694592
>not doubting it, but where are its children?

Be'lakor can only enter into the world by being summoned by a mortal. These mortal children can fulfil this function. Also Be'lakor's whenever he manifests is quickly attended to by mortal servants at a snap of finger. Many of them could be his half-breed daughters and sons.

>>54694683
Just remember something.

Prince Ograx and Vilitch the Curseling had the mark of Be'lakor upon them. Both were his secret agents. Both could have been his children.

>>54694146
Fun tidbit: Carnac wil reply to his own posts until someone else joins in.

>>54694820
If it's that obvious then don't join it. It is that hard?

>>54694820
So? He can't sustain himself with his own attention. Just don't reply.

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>>54694488

>>54694842
Do you really want a thread full of the posts of a creepy person replying back and forth with himself?

>>54694875
That wouldn't happen.
He's a troll, he'd get bored.
The only reason he'd have to reply to himself would be to lure people into the conversation.

>>54694860
you
see
>>54693235

>>54694901
You keep saying he is a troll but I see nothing that proves this.

>>54694919
Then you can't be helped.

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>>54693053
>WHFB thred
>keep talking about end times
>keep talking about Belakor

>>54695018
Be'lakor is totally going be the main LL of the daemon faction in WHTW. What should be his abilities and command trait?

What other daemonic characters should be LLs?

>>54695120
>weakness: rocks

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So on the subject of antagonists that flopped, what other major villains besides Archaon the Hedgehog have you found that left you flat, and why? Hard mode: someone besides Mannlet.

>>54695120
Weakness: fimir dick.

>>54695120
Chaos faction already came out though. Last one is Norsca, OH BOY ANOTHER FUCKING HOARDE FACTION

And totalwarhammer 2 is gonna be elves, bad elves, lizards and skaven.

>>54695185
Nagash, because NAGASH WAS WEAK

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>>54695185
Nagash. Dude is a pedophile and not a single source in the setting attempts to portray him in bit of light or even greyness. Dude is an unrepentant and unapologetic asshole from day one and he just got worse from there. He is irredeemable and more inhuman than daemons.

That's not how you write a believable villain.

Goddamnit I hate that fucking little shit goblin in Karak Right Peaks he's impossible to dig out and he stalls all of my fucking games

Anyway, what are the best mods? Im using steel and faith right now, along with some misc. Stuff. Kind of getting bored though.

>>54695219
Dude, there will be an expansion after the coming expansion. They will port in ALL the 8th ED armies which includes daemons of Chaos

>>54695310
Thing is, over there in the new world, I'm not sure what other races they could add besides those 4. Is anyone else in that neck of the woods?

>>54695287
He started as comically evil and was good as your generic sleeping evil god. The relation between him and the vampire bloodlines during 6th was also interesting because it was never fully explained. Waking him up was (unsurprisingly) just as shit as the rest of endtimes. Ironically in AoS he gets some kind of 'greyness', but thats more due to the fact of everyones blandness than actual chracter depth. At least as far as I understand it.

>>54695456
kangz, vampire counts, amazons (a strethc, but id like it) , all sorts of colonists.

I agree theres no other major race than tomb kings, but after norsca everything is possible.

>>54695456
Tomb Kings south of the map, Ogres from the east, daemons of Chaos from the North or deep striking stacks.

>>54695469
>AoS he gets some kind of 'greyness'

No, the reason why Chaos won and conquered the realms because Nagash backstabbed Sigmar. Nagash continues to be an irredeemable ass even there.

For example, in the Age of Myth, Nagash tricked nine queens to marry him in exchange for sparing their kingdoms. When they agreed and married him, Nagash conquered their kingdoms and then tortured them to death and brought them back his mindless undead waifus.

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Daily reminder that Malekith is the rightful king of the elves.
High and wood elves on suicide watch.

>>54693295
I don't even know what he really did beyond continuing the King Arthur themes.

>>54695489
>>54695493
I'm sure those will be added in the inevitable third game we already know is coming, but what the hell can they do in lustria?

Obviously 'minor' factions under dlc legend lords are going to be a thing. But I mean full on races

>>54695593
In retrospect choosing your king based on the whims of a jackass god that developed a fetish for kfc is not the most sound of practices.

>>54695573
Heh, AoS lore seems to be worse than I thought. I just remembered something where he could have destroyed archaon, but got backstabbed by Sigmar or he backstabbed Sigmar. Sry for the AoS stuff, will stop now.

>>54695749
>implying usurper kings chosen by a council of faggy, scheming princes is somehow better

How did that War of the Beard go for high elves again?

>>54693313
You people will never learn that Carnac is nothing but a shitposting troll with an endless supply of bait and whining shits who take said bait.

>>54694208
Carnac
>only uses post SoC sources
>uses End Times sources in a Warhammer Fantasy discussion
>uses Age of Sigmar sources in a Warhammer Fantasy discussion
>uses Wh40k sources in a Warhammer Fantasy discussion
>doesn't even use sources most of the time, just calls himself the loremaster and everyone else headcanoners
>his definition of headcanon is "if chaos isn't winning, it's fanfiction"
>"if it doesn't involve chaos, it's dumb and not worth talking about"
>obviously baits people with false comments like "bel'akor is the strongest character in the fluff"
>claims his sources are right when he never backs them up or backs them up with Age of Sigmar content
>CLAIMS THE TITLE OF "LOREMASTER"

He is not only a blatantly obvious shit-poster, he's also a blatantly obvious bait-poster. He has been doing this for three years now and either was banned and has copycat posters follow him or still does it.

Carnacposting itself is incredibly easy, because all you have to do is say incredibly stupid shit that either isn't canon or is from sources outside of Warhammer Fantasy, and people get mad and reply to you for days on end with huge paragraph posts while you reap the (You)s.

It's one of the lowest-effort forms of trolling /tg/ but it's apparently the most prolific.

>>54696061
>>54696126
Some people say he is a troll others say he is not. Make up your minds and stop wasting peoples time and thread posts. Either ignore him or whatever just get over with it.

>>54696126
Furthermore: when he does post a source, it's often a few lines taken wildly out of context.

>>54695906
I guess "don't be a fucking dick" should be the requirement for being king, but these are elves so finding one that isn't is harder than finding half elves.

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>>54696175
The other posts are projection from two morons but this one I take affront with.

YOU said yesterday was defeating the daemons and could beat the Chaos Gods. When asked about the source. You gave 7th ed rulebook. A little digging later, Aenarion and the Elves were losing the war. Four Greater Daemons mortally wounded him. He would have failed in the battle if it weren't for his dragonbro. This is put one of many lies you were caught in. The Archaon prophecy letter being another heinous one.

Whether newer and older pieces of the lore, I can and will always catch on your lies and beat you because you are notin' but a little headcanen' little biatch.

>>54695219
Norsca controls settlements dumb ass

>>54693105
>Punched in the nuts by an ordinary Space Marine with an ordinary Power Fist
>Runs away
LMAO what a loser.

>>54695751

That one bit is actually decent with context and all said and done.

Though it was tzeentch all along, playing both of them making it so both were traitor and betrayed. It doesn't stop Nagash from being an unrepentant asshole (considering his way of rewarding a loyal servant in AoS is to kill her whole tribe and enslave their souls to her will) in a never ending quest to get a bigger and blacker pyramid.

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>>54696255
Continued...

Gods bless the archive.
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/filename/the%20damned%20letter/

Here are my responses to the notorious liar. Notice how he continues to repeat the same stupid lie three times despite being corrected with a SOC source. He makes wild claims and easily disproven lies. Gets slapped down by the lore and then stays quiet for the whole thread only for him to repeat the same lie again in another thread. Here is the letter for all to see. The fifth time he has shown it but doubtless he will lie about it again because those who stand against Chaos are gutless and dishonest cretins to a man!

>>54696255
The Elves were losing because the Dark Gods were sending everything they had at them and were overwhelming them with numbers. Aenarion wasn't losing himself; his only goal was killing every daemon he met, and he did so. The book even says, explicitly, that a Bloodthirster with Khorne's own power stands no chance, read again, no chance against Widowmaker. Aenarion cuts the motherfucker in half, the strongest daemon in existence and a vestige of the strongest Chaos God.

He dies because Khaine cursed him when he picked up Widowmaker, which explains why, if the greater daemons didn't even stand a chance against Aenarion in a 4 - 1 battle, he was still doomed to die, because Khaine ordained it. Khaine's a dick in Warhammer Fantasy.

Had Khaine not cursed Aenarion, or better yet had Khaine directly aided Aenarion, it's fully possible that Aenarion could've defeated the Chaos Gods. He'd have his own incredible power (even before Widowmaker he was slaughtering daemons in terrifyingly large droves), the power of Asuryan, and the power of Khaine. Of course this was empowerment, not direct intervention by these Gods, but it was still power.

Gods and daemons trembled at his wrath as the book says verbatim, and when it came down to it nothing Chaos had could stop him. Khaine's curse did, but if it hadn't, it's very possible he could've fought and killed a Chaos God with Widowmaker, even Khorne.

What was also said is the Chaos Gods are known for their cowardly moments, and it's likely that as soon as Aenarion challenged one they'd dogpile him because they knew they'd lose otherwise.

And for those who like Chaos, I'm not saying they're pussies either. I'm not anti-Chaos.

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>>54696255
>>54696337
Like clockwork.

>>54696276
>get told I use 40K sources in 40K thread and then they use 40K sources in a fantasy thread

Hypocrisy, thy name is you!

Ehmmm....and surrounded by legion of daemonic space marines. What is he suppose to do? Has his body destroyed? Be'lakor in 40K isn't cursed by Tzeentch. His body isn't intangible at will. Physical things can and will harm him.

BUT rejoice though. Be'lakor confirmed to play a major role in what's to come in 40K.

>>54696255
>>54696337
Nope. The Chaos "gods" do not exist. Bel'akor himself says so.

Further, Bel'akor will stop the letter form happening because he says it will happen. All this talk of Archaon is a lie as well, as Archaon does not eixst.

Perhaps you should fuck off poser? Because you do not know your lore and should let us loremasters handle it. Now go! Continue the verbal diarhea somewhere else you fanficfaggot.

>>54696394
Nope. Bel'akor does not exist. Arianka herself says so.

Please stop being a poser and learn your lore from us lore masters, poser.

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Look at all these annoying cucks. Belakor is one of the most badass characters in Warhammer fiction. He's tragic, strong, and well-written. His design is super cool as well. I cant wait til he's in Warhammer Total War

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This should be added to the /wfg/ list of links:

Discord Chat that'll be dedicated to Old World talk, rather it be the RPG, or Total War...or random complaints about AOS...

https://discord.gg/xTGSZbU

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>>54696431

Here he is again! The fanfiction comes back for verbal diarea.

Be'lakor does not exist. Read your fluff. Arianka says he doesn't and shows one of his followers he's not in the Warp.

PLEASE go somewhere else faggot?

>>54696394
>What is he supposed to do?
Not be a retard depending entirely on getting infinite resources forever as his only plan to defeat a single understrength company of IF would be a good start? Failing that he might consider not being a shit fighter beaten up by a bog-standard captain.

Even M'kar isn't that big a loser, and he's fucking dead forever. Papa Smuf himself had to do it.

>>54696431
>Badass
>Entire fluff is that he's a loser and a pawn who literally can't beat anyone and is too dumb to realize it
LMAO
M
A
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>>54696343
>The Elves were losing because the Dark Gods were sending everything they had at them and were overwhelming them with numbers.

Not true. In previous editions the Lizardmen were, IIRC, were fighting the bulk of the daemonic hordes. In 8th ED, the Lizardmen and Be'lakor divided the bulk of the daemonic forces between them.

>Aenarion wasn't losing himself; his only goal was killing every daemon he met, and he did so.

Aenarion is an elf. Elves were losing. He saw that Caledor ritual was the only way to save the world. His fucking sword can kill daemons all day long but new daemons will come back and the daemons he killed will be reborn. How many times N'kari was cleaved by the Widowmaker? Too many times and she always comes back. Always and forever. If Widowmaker lacked the power to destroy N'kari forever, How the FUCK do you think it can destroy a Chaos God?

The Greater Daemon of Nurgle had him at his mercy. Got saved by his dragon. That's your hero.

> Aenarion cuts the motherfucker in half, the strongest daemon in existence and a vestige of the strongest Chaos God.

I don't recall him being called the strongest. Got a source?

>Had Khaine not cursed Aenarion, or better yet had Khaine directly aided Aenarion, it's fully possible that Aenarion could've defeated the Chaos Gods.

That's your headcanon. Nothing in any text implies this. In fact, as I recall, Gav Thorpe's Elf series has Khaine invading the Chaos Gods realm and getting turned back. That's the actual god, not some guy with a sword. You don't get to naysay GAV "ELF FUCKER" Thope.

>Gods and daemons trembled at his wrath as the book says verbatim, and when it came down to it nothing Chaos had could stop him.

Except the Greater Daemons that would have killed him if it wasn't for his dragon.

>>54696574
>8th edition and end times lore
>using 8th ed+ Gav as a source

This is /wfg/. How hard is that for you to comprehend?

The End Times is NOT canonical here.
Age of Sigmar is NOT canonical here.
8th ed Gav can shove his opinions up his ass.

>>54696574
What was also said is the Chaos Gods are known for their cowardly moments, and it's likely that as soon as Aenarion challenged one they'd dogpile him because they knew they'd lose otherwise.

Same gods who in a 7th ed novel by the ELF GUY was defeated by the Chaos Gods and fled their realm.

>>54696524
>Not be a retard depending entirely on getting infinite resources forever as his only plan to defeat a single understrength company of IF would be a good start?

Be'lakor only two failings in all of this is....

Not foreseeing the arrival of the LotD. Trusting HIS FOUR PARENTS not to screw him over like they did. The battle was lost anyways he was better off pulling off for plan C.

>>54696574
>>54696607
We need to stop talking about anything after 8th edition period. The End Times is an entirely different line, and the majority of people here view 7th Edition as the last source of Fantasy fluff. The End Times and especially Age of Sigmar are not the games, the fluff, the characters, or the books discussed in these threads.

>>54696607
Be'lakor's 8th ED is optional. You can take it or leave it.

And I made a mistake. The Elf series (defenders of Ulthuan) wasn't written by Gav. It was by Graham McNeil.

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>>54696632
>using a gav thorpe novel as his source on lore
>"belakor only has two failings"

Ignore and hide all Carnacposts, or don't, because some of this shit is hilarious, moreso when you realize some people actually believe him.

>>54696656
None of what I said went beyond 8th ed.

>>54696632
>Khaine invades Chaos in defenders of ulthuan
>loses because it's 4 vs 1


Oh gosh, it's almost like the Chaos Gods are Gods and can equal Khaine! I don't know how this means they're unstoppable, especially considering Khaine doesn't suffer much from the defeat.

As I said, the Chaos Gods don't usually enjoy fair fights.

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>/wfg/ - Belakor general

>>54693376
I bet it's a mechanic of some kind that makes use of the "unattached wandering armies" thing that TW2 has going for it, only it'll be monster armies you can kill.

>>54696713
None of what you said of the battle, such as him being at any daemon's mercy, happened in 7th Ed. In fact, I don't think that happens in anything that mentions the battle at all.

The N'kari story is from 8th Ed.

Aenarion isn't called the strongest, or weakest, or anything, but he's defnitely the most accomplished daemonslayer in history. 7th Ed says that daemons are terrified of him and when the Bloodthirster slashes him he turns and chops the motherfucker in half.

When he picked up Widowmaker, he was cursed. 7th Ed says this.

Without Khaine's curse, Aenarion wouldn't have been scratched.

Get some new material Carnac.

>>54696737
I don't know why the mods let carnac post scot-free. That or a bunch of anons alternate and pretend to be him or ban evade.

Then again it's partially our fault for not just ignoring him.

>>54696736
Khorne martial pride makes compels him to fight 1 vs 1.

I vaguely remember the text but in the blur Khaine might have invaded either Khorne's realm or Slaanesh before being thrown back. I will hunt for it later.

>>54694083
You are such a fucking idiot.

>>54693489
>memetimes lore meme

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Remember when Carnac's argument to 7th Ed saying that "gods and daemons trembled at (Aenarion's) wrath" was that because it didn't specify *Chaos* gods they were excluded from it?

>>54696769
>None of what you said of the battle, such as him being at any daemon's mercy,

Except the line that says that the dragonbro saved him from the Great Unclean One. The picture I posted is from the 7th ed HE army book.

>The N'kari story is from 8th Ed.

N'kari is older than 8th ed. Waaaay older.

>Aenarion isn't called the strongest, or weakest, or anything, but he's defnitely the most accomplished daemonslayer in history.

Post-ET, that would be Grimnir. The daemons he killed, STAYED DEAD.

>7th Ed says that daemons are terrified of him and when the Bloodthirster slashes him he turns and chops the motherfucker in half.

Lesser daemons perhaps. Not N'kari for example.

>When he picked up Widowmaker, he was cursed. 7th Ed says this.

Cursed his bloodline for suffering, rage, and blood hunger. It wasn't a death sentence.

>Without Khaine's curse, Aenarion wouldn't have been scratched.

Bullshit.

>>54696868
His dragon incinerated Nurgle's daemon, but it's never said Aenarion would've died otherwise.

N'kari surviving Widowmaker is an 8th Ed (and I think End Times) thing.

>post-ET

Then it has no weight, bearing, or purpose here.

>not n'kari

No. 7th Ed says gods and Daemons. Not "gods except Chaos gods and Daemons but only lesser ones and not N'kari", it says gods and Daemons. They were scared of Aenarion. The strongest Daemon that existed at the time "could not stand" against Widowmaker, Khorne's Bloodthirster.

Khaine's curse is an arguable portion of the story. Some people say it's why he died, others say it's why the Elves got fucked up. That's speculative.

With the help of Asuryan and Khaine together Aenarion wouldn't have been scratched and could probably have killed any of the Chaos Gods save Khorne in a one-to-one fight. However, even without Khaine's curse, if he didn't have Khaine's direct aid he still would've been wounded by the Greaters and would've needed some recovery time, but he still fought and killed the absolute worst that Chaos had in their arsenal, and he won.

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>>54696859
The Widowbreaker was the fucking shard of Khaine's godly sword. Of course, the Elven Gods would tremble because it would remind of them of the time Khaine used the REAL thing on them in War in Heaven and held dominance over Vaul, Isha, and her husbandu . However, Khaine himself with THE REAL THING invaded the Realm of Chaos. Guess what happened? The Chaos Gods booted him out.

So tell me. What sense does it make for the Chaos Gods to fear a mere mortal wielding a splinter of the weapon that a stupid Elf God swung at them?

>>54696941
>the elven gods would tremble

It says gods and daemons. Not Elven gods and daemons, not Chaos gods and daemons. It says gods and daemons.

If you're taking Defenders of Ulthuan into account, Khaine tried to fuck up Chaos going four against one, which paralleled the later fight of Aenarion going four-to-one.

Of course Khaine lost. If a Chaos God came to fuck up the Elves and fought the Elven pantheon, they'd lose too.

The Chaos Gods and Law Gods fought proxy wars for this exact reason, because in a fit of cold war-inspired background, they were too powerful to invade each other.

Gods are pretty powerful beings.

>>54696938
>His dragon incinerated Nurgle's daemon, but it's never said Aenarion would've died otherwise.

"SAVED". Read this word carefully. SAVED.

>N'kari surviving Widowmaker is an 8th Ed (and I think End Times) thing.

No, N'kari was identified was the daemon who fought Aenarion in way older lore.

>Then it has no weight, bearing, or purpose here.

Was funny to show that dwarfs were superior anyways.

>The strongest Daemon that existed at the time "could not stand" against Widowmaker, Khorne's Bloodthirster.

The Khornate daemon was nameless. I don't recall any text that says he was the strongest. If you have any provide it for knowledge sake.

>Khaine's curse is an arguable portion of the story. Some people say it's why he died, others say it's why the Elves got fucked up. That's speculative.

Again, I say, it wasn't a death sentence.

>With the help of Asuryan and Khaine together Aenarion wouldn't have been scratched and could probably have killed any of the Chaos Gods save Khorne in a one-to-one fight. However, even without Khaine's curse, if he didn't have Khaine's direct aid he still would've been wounded by the Greaters and would've needed some recovery time, but he still fought and killed the absolute worst that Chaos had in their arsenal, and he won.

This is laughable. The flame of Asuryan was in Aenarion so was the power of Khaine through the Widowmaker. He went down to his wounds to what was basically shards of the Chaos Gods.

>>54696994
Let me go through Defenders. I am sure as hell he went after just one of them.

>>54697032
Saved doesn't mean Aenarion was down and out.

N'kari fighting with Widowmaker is an 8th Ed thing.

ET lore has no place here.

The Khornate daemon was the only Bloodthirster at the time, the strongest Daemon of the strongest Chaos God. Greater daemons are the evil Avatars of Khaine, basically.

Asuryan's indirect help and Khaine's sword with his curse do not equal having the full power of gods on your side. It was an avatar versus four opposing avatars, and Aenarion may've been wounded, but the Greater Daemons were slain completely, to the point where even the Bloodthirster stood no chance against Widowmaker. The book says this, explicitly.

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Warhammer Fantasy RP 3rd edition dice roller working link?

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Some days I really can't decide whether I like Bretonnia or the Empire more.

>>54697539
Bretonnia is the stronger human-wank if this is important to you.

>Gav, the loremaster of the 6th edition, is not a canon source!
>Knights of the Grail, an rpg supplement written by David Chart (who?), is totally valid despite going against everything in established canon

lol /wfg/

How are dragons in the Old World? Are the the standard fantasy type, where they live in caves, and sleep on hoards of treasure, occasionally being used as mounts by powerful lords and wizards?

>>54697826

Great post, but it belongs here:

>>54689378

>>54697829
Pretty much, though they're an 'elder race' that predates the Old Ones. They spend most of their time sleeping these days, and are more fast and hard-hitting than they are physically tough.

>>54697829
Well, yeah. Though it's almost always elves that get to use them as mounts. The older the dragon, the more powerful they are, but the more often they're sleeping.

>>54697866
Okay. Are there any dragons in the Empire?

>>54697899
I'm not sure. I know there was a Magister of the College of Shadows that got to ride one, if I'm remembering things right. In the past, Bretonnians fought dragons - that's where you got the heraldry for Bastonne, and a few other such footnotes. At one point there were dragons in certain forests of the Empire, but now it seems like at best only their (long-lasting and survivable) eggs are still around. And dwarves fucking hate dragons because they don't want anything touching their gold, so there might be some in the World's Edge Mountains or the Grey Mountains.

>>54697963
Elspeth having a dragon mount doesn't make sense since there's only supposed to be one dragon mount in the Empire, the imperial dragon.

>>54697899
Besides the one that belongs to Karl Franz?

On another note, I always wonder why GW never made dismounted Outriders or a War Wagon as Empire options. I mean, more options = good. And making the Steam Tank customizable could have had so much potential.

alas.

>>54698083
Probably the same reason they never made dismounted knights, for either Bretonnia or the Empire (though you could argue in the latter case the Greatswords fill that role). Probably because they weren't interested in providing more options, or didn't see the options themselves as meaningful enough to include.

>>54698083
Does Karl Franz' dragon show up anywhere? I mean his staple mount seems to be Deathclaw.

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"Lady Morathi appeared on Malus’s left side, still studying him intently. They were close enough to touch and the force of her presence was tangible, like a cold razor being drawn delicately across his skin. She radiated power in a way that not even his mother Eldire did. Her face was youthful, her features regal and severe; she was handsome rather than classically beautiful, with a broad face and a rounded chin that was almost square rather than pointed. Her eyes were like windows onto the Abyss, drinking in everything around her. "

Sounds about right. Why are people complaining about her looks?

>>54696768
Its confirmed that they are just quest battles.

Tbh I cant get too hyped for Norsca. Kislev and the southern realmes needed this update more, and I would rather the new mechanics and units were just given to the WoC instead of making them a seperate faction.

>>54698186
I remember an image that was "8th in a nutshell", that showed the majority of the new things for 8e were just "big monsters." Like, Orcs&Goblins were a copypaste, their only new units being the Mangler Squig and the bigass Spider. Tomb Kings were big snakes and thundercats. Ogre Kingdoms the "big rhino cavalry" and monsters, Empire the demigryphs and wagons (though the Hurricanum makes excellent conversion material), etc.

The Sigmarine minis are just so...soulless and fugly. Some Kharadron dwarves could be good conversion fodder for a Mordheim band, but those mini-balloons are just too damn good-looking. Why they couldn't do a Dwarf version of The Rocketeer...

>>54698234
Dunno, I think they've nailed 'smugly superior bitchface' pretty well to be honest, and she's not unattractive.

>>54698234
Because a random Death hag looks better?

>>54698234
>she was handsome rather than classically beautiful, with a broad face and a rounded chin that was almost square rather than pointed
She basically had a manface? You can use handsome to describe a female, but it always will push towards a more masculine look.

>>54698234
Because that bit of text obviously wasn't the only way she was described, or even in the case of various artworks and models depicted. I can understand and appreciate what CA did, making her beautiful but also making it clear that in some sense it was a false beauty with her blackened hands and age spots on her back, but she does not really look like a character that is supposed to be 'the most beautiful' to me.

Also, she looks really human. I've never really been one of those people who really liked the idea of elves having thin, triangular faces with big black eyes, but it is really obvious when CA is working that they're not trying to make something that looks like an elf, you know?

>>54698234
>feets enchantress still number one (1) hottie

feels good to praise the lady

>>54698412
>something that doesn't look like an elf
how the fuck are they supposed to look like?
>they are attractive, but they are different xDDD
Their differences shine through in their actual animations and unit stats. Them looking like models with garish makeup suits them perfectly.

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>>54698290
>SWING LOW SWEET CHARIOT

I will admit I do actually like some of the things that 8th brought out. Demigryphs have grown on me, I always enjoyed the big Tomb Kings models and the large Spider. I really wish that GW had tried to do some sort of campaign before ET, where they had an excuse for factions to make use of their new big toys, like a Tomb Kings invasion or a new Waaagh!

But in the end, a lot of it was overdetailed and not particularly great, and all of it was tainted by the coming of ET. It was a mix of GW being all puffed up about being a miniature company first and a game company second, and deciding to wash their hands of WFB in a way that still makes so many people unhappy years later. Even if AoS was better than it is, I don't think it would've lived up to what so many wanted - WFB to stick around.

>>54698234
Poor Malekith. He has to endure this clingy old hag, when he could've been fucking his wife, Ariel's sister, if Morathi hadn't killed her.
Truly, his life is suffering.

>>54698553
What the hell is pulling that chaos chariot?

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>>54698511
But what about the Wood Elves? You can't tell me with a straight face that they don't just look like vaguely Celtic-flavored humans with pointy ears. It feels less like 'CA wasn't making them special enough!' and 'CA was cutting corners/having trouble making them look elf-y.' Which is weird, since they did great with Dwarves - they don't look just like shortened humans.

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>>54698496
>feets enchantress still number one (1) hottie

Fuck off treefaggot, Isabella best girl.

>>54698657
I think the fact that each wood elf unit has only one face model and that their followers are still bugged indicates that their dlc was rushed out.

>>54698622
>he could've been fucking his wife
>if Morathi hadn't killed her.

He'd still be cock-blocked by being sealed inside his overly pointy armour.

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>>54695120
Man I can't wait to drown him in rocks in WHTW

>>54698186
Except infantry Reiksguard.

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>>54698657
Some of them look less fey than the others. The spellsingers look alien enough. And try removing a dwarf's beard via editing, they look like something out of an asterix cartoon.

>>54698083
>And making the Steam Tank customizable could have had so much potential.

Before the plastic kit there used to be several types of steam tanks.

>>54698553
I feel you. And as hypocritical as it sounds, I did buy a Necrosphinx and the Hurricanum, as they do make such lovely conversion fodder. All the spare spellbooks and stuff make for good bookshelf scenery for a Mordheim game, and I did buy 3 Chariots of Tzeentch before the Wrath of Magnus update so I could convert them for assorted purposes.

GW really needs to realize what LEGO figured out long ago. Stuff that has only one purpose doesn't sell as well as things that are easy to repurpose. The adult lego community even has POOP as an acronym for "Piece with Only One Purpose."

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>>54698412
>I've never really been one of those people who really liked the idea of elves having thin, triangular faces with big black eyes
But this is the best and proven way to prevent "humans with pointy ears".

>>54698786
it also makes them look bad. They are supposed to be extremely attractive to look at.

>>54698726
Magic, bitch. I ain't gotta explain shit.

>>54698800
>he can't masturbate to ayy elves
Casual.

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Daily reminder that Malekith said that Hellebron was more beautiful than his mother. Despite his current state, Hellebron engendered yearning in him. He also said that because Hellebron was more beautiful than his mother, Morathi snubbed Hellebron when she came before her as a young witch elf. Causing hatred between the two. Had Morathi treated Hellebron with respect than the two would have been steadfast allies, as steadfast as Dark Elves can be to each other.

>>54696431
>His design is super cool as well.
>Literal streotype of a demon with no interesting features
>Doesn't even look cool in an edgy kind of way
HAHAHAHA

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>>54698412
>Not liking soulless black eyes and fey, sharp features
>Wanting humans with pointy ears

Literally pleb taste.

>>54698901
Dawg, those wing chains with skulls attached to them are sweet as fuck

>>54698553
Ok but the new Carnosaur, you cant tell me that you think its worse than the old one

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>>54698907
Anon, we all know Kerillian is the cutest. But sometimes I don't like how alien the elves end up looking - I want a middle ground somewhere. Recognizably distinct, a little different from humanity even, but not completely inhuman. But also not just very perfect humans, though a sense of superiority through finer skills, armor and clothes, and health wouldn't be untoward.

>>54698648
Looks like a chaos gorilla, most likely just some norscan thing

>>54698553
How cool would a warhammer racing game be, based on these models?

>>54698553
The number of overdesigned models is pretty sad. I mean models designed in a 3D program has potential, but they went full MMO-shiny-pauldrons-big-action, so you end up with shit like that VC model that the only thing I see is a bunch of spectral horses pulling... something. While they're rearing up 20 feet in the air.

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>>54699010
I believe an ex-GW writer did something of the sort. I found the following rules floating on Tom's Boring Mordheim Forum. I could imagine them being adapted for the 8e minis.

I had also been working on expanded mount & wagon rules for a Mordheim campaign which didn't materialize. Dumping that next.

>>54698907
SOURCE PLEASE

Are there dark elf shopkeepers or gardeners?
What do dark elf regular citizens even do for a living?
They can't all be soldiers/mariners/slavers, can they?

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>>54699075
>mfw I deliberately left the sauce in the name to avoid this

>>54698964
That's fair enough, personally I like them to look as ayy lmao as possible, but still attractive in a sense. I think the black eyes are a good way to achieve this, because if you start making the facial structure too gaunt or pallid, they start to look unattractive whereas idealised but sharp facial feature + inhuman eyes balances well imo.

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>>54699072
And these were rules I had been working on in an attempt to consolidate and partially streamline the assorted rules for mounts and wagons for Mordheim, attempting to consolidate from Blazing Saddles, Empire in Flames, Nemesis Crown, Border Town Burning, and that damn Magic Carpet from the Khemri campaign! Ideally, such a system could also be "expandable" for a party's ship (if you want a Sartosa campaign), or to allow certain upgrades to be taken as "standalone" structures (if you want a base-building game).

It was unfinished simply because I didn't feel too much like eyeballing individual prices and rarities for individual items, but I really was entertained by the prospect of a system that let you *build* a "wagon" and give it a rough pointage. Feel free to work on it and adapt it to your heart's content, since I'm currently focused on another project.

>>54699142
>Are there dark elf shopkeepers

Slaves.

>or gardeners?

Slaves.

>They can't all be soldiers/mariners/slavers, can they?

Slaves do everything else.

Seriously though, Darkblade novels present Delf social structure as;

Soldier/Guard
Pirate
Pirate Captain
Noble
Really Noble
Priest/Sorceress/Witch Elves
Royalty

With them all dedicating their every waking moment for personal advancement. Any mundane jobs with minimal/no chance of social advancement are most likely left to slaves.

>>54699202
Talk about lack of variety in career paths

>>54699202
Though I should add, it mentions female Dark Elves are expected to only serve as soldiers in times of war, the rest of the time they're expected to remain at home murdering the neighbours and backstabbing in social environments as their method of social advancement, whilst males are expected to join a corsair ship and get disgustingly rich.

So I guess you might get some really low-ranking Dark Elf females running a shop or acting as maids for nobles if they're really desperate while their husbands are away.

>>54699225
>Be a slave today! Plenty of options for a variety of career paths, and lots of room for advancement. You may feel like you'll spend the rest o your days in that mine, buddy boy, but with hard work you may end up the supplier of mining equipment to your other fellows! Also plenty of room for volunteers for religious work, and the cosmetic sector is always in need of new blood.

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>>54699072
Those rules were in White Dwarf or Town Cryer, I seem to remember.

I also went to a Warhammer World Open Day where they had a table running a chariot race in the same vein.

>>54699142
The only thing I can think of is blacksmiths and war machine makers. These jobs are too sensitive to leave to slaves. Maybe head architects and masons too. Artists on the side.
But all druchii are basically soldiers. Everything else is a hobby to them.

>>54699237
Wait if they are killing each other non-stop, then how do they even raise children? Or do they just spawn put of some dark magic mcguffin fully adult

>>54699225
Well they worship a god of Murder as their state religion and have religious festivals where a bunch of naked bezerker women stalk the streets cutting down anything that moves and breaking into houses to drag 'sacrifices' screaming out into the street. You need influence or utility to someone else with influence to remain breathing more than a week.

Dark Elves would watch 'The Purge' and wonder why it wasn't allowed on the other 364 days of the year.

>>54699148
>>mfw I deliberately left the sauce in the name to avoid this
Or better: not post rule breaking porn. You already created a sauce-faggot and actively made this thread worse because of this.

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>>54699263
>Also plenty of room for volunteers for religious work

Yes plz

>>54699334
>Eyes
>Porn

Puritans plz go

>>54693538
Archaon novels are ET lore.

ET is AoS lore.

AoS Lizardmen are Daemons made of pure light who literally destroy the strongest of Chaos taint just by bleeding on it.

Therefor Lizardmen are a hard counter to Be'lakek or you can go back to old continuity where Be'lakek is just a faggot who trapped himself in Mordheim.

>>54693615
Funny.

Because Lizardmen and Dwarf anti-Daemon power existed before the Warp Gates collapsed.

>>54699237
elves can be slaves, too, so there is nothing that changes that

>>54699362
>eyes
>clearly a blowjob
>cum all over the face
>someone already screaming SAUCE wanting to be spoonfed like a little baby
I hope it will be at least three days.

>>54693615
Reminder that Lucifer in the bible is an autistic baby put in time-out after throwing an ineffective fit, and is unrelated to the Tempter entity which is God's bad cop to his good cop.

So is Belly a sidekick or a useless moron?

>>54693706
>Blaming Lileath for her parents being dicks

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Let's say Settra conquers a human city(which he will alongside rest of the world), what happens to it's inhabitats? After they agree to pledge their alegiance to him of course
Also would Settre or any of the tomb kings be willing to trade with human merchants for stuff?

>>54699287
They're not killing each other non-stop for the same reason mafia families aren't. You can avoid a knock on the door with 'Do you have a few minutes to talk about Khaine' followed by open-air coronary surgery if you're wealth enough to make a donation to the Temple ahead of any 'religious festivals'. Likewise, the noble houses and anyone who works for them are generally off-limits, whilst anyone poorer is probably involved in street gangs and shit like that who'll counter-murder to defend the elves loyal to them.

So a corsair whose wife if pregnant will make sure the Temple has been given a good donation and the local gangs know who his wife is and which ships crew will come to messily disembowel them if she gets hurt before he sets sail. Plus she's probably pretty formidable herself anyway.

So a lot of sporadic killing but still stable enough usually for people to raise kids. Though I imagine mortality rates are sky high for every age bracket past conception.

>>54699399
>clearly a blowjob

You have a filthy mind, she's clearly just laughed whilst drinking a glass of milk.

>>54699405
Lucifer isn't really in the Bible, its just a reference to the Morning Star that Origines combined with the pagan god Lucifer Phosphorus in his "De principiis Prooemium". Everything else is just putting this total original OC into an established story
just like Be'lakor

>>54694016
Except time means nothing to the Warp, so a cheeky not-so Keeper of Secrets could pop in before he ws a Daemon, learn the name, teach it to some retarded son of a blacksmith somewhere, and get headpats from Slaanesh while Be'lakor is forced to play fetch from a chinless moron who thinks he's a dog.

>>54699452
how do dark elves maintain their numbers and not simply go extinct? They're not like Skaven that breed like hell

>>54699382
>Archaon novels are ET lore.

No, they aren't. They came like 2 years before ET. They are 8th ED. They also the lore that WH:TW built their Archaon on.

>AoS Lizardmen are Daemons made of pure light who literally destroy the strongest of Chaos taint just by bleeding on it.

They are made from Azyr in the form of starlight. Archaon, who is Be'lakor's son, had Azyr lightning directed at him. You know what he did? He grabbed the lightning in his fists and crushed it to nothing. Archaon fought the Seraphon and slew so many of them that a sparkles of their broken bodies started to form around him. Archaon killed a stormcast hero and thrust his hands into the Azyr blessed soul of that stormcast for long moments caressing it before allowing the tortured soul to blaze back to the heavens. Dracthoian the titanic Star dragon breathed a torrent of pure Azyrite starlight at Archaon which singed Archaon armour but he was otherwise unharmed.

If Be'lakor's son managed that, then so can Be'lakor! After all, what does Archaon have that Be'lakor doesn't?

>Because Lizardmen and Dwarf anti-Daemon power existed before the Warp Gates collapsed.

So did mortal Be'lakor.

>>54699504
Sex. Lots of it.

All those cold, dark winter nights, can't go outside because the streets are infested with murder-cultists. Don't want to actually talk to your spouse because you dispise them and only married them for money/protection/social advancement.

Not much else to do.

>>54698907
What the fuck-fuck, kill-slay the elf-thing, not pound-rut!

>>54698964
DId that ever make it into the archive?

>>54699449
We don't know. There's no lore on Settra's living policy other than fuckers who stole from him.

Presumably the same as him uniting Nehekhara in life.

>>54699504
They have Daemon-tier infinite numbers unless fate says they must lose or be a dying race.

This is canon from Gav Thorpe.

>>54699569
8e is ET lore.

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>>54699569
Archaon is a literal Chaos god now. Demigod, but god nontheless.

He outranks Kek and is more powerful. That's why he can be Azula.

>>54699504
There are as many elves as the plot demands.

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>>54699142
>What do dark elf regular citizens even do for a living?

Run or work in brothels, make clothing/armor/weapons, train and breed beasts, kill nobles in the alley then rob them, run dock protection rackets, run shops and clubs, work for the temple, work as mercenaries, work as scouts/rangers, oversee ship construction, train slaves, fight in pits against slaves...

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>>54699449
Games Workshop can say that Settra became king and reigned for a hundred thousand years, and he was wise and good. But Games Workshop doesn’t ask the question: What was Settra’s tax policy?

>>54699237
The only military career a she-elf can hold in druchii society at any time is corsair, I'll add, though the shades completely ignore this rule. Female corsairs have difficulty getting command of their own ships, but it does happen.

>>54699705
9/10 for Settra, the rest for you

>>54699711
are shades not separate from Druchii society in general and live in separate clans?

>>54699279
Skilled trades can't all go to dwarf slaves, in the end. They're simply too rare and much to expensive. Even the normally spendthrift and irreverent Malus Darkblade is outright horrified to hear how many dwarf slaves were simply KILLED after building the Temple of Khaine. He rates the value of one at the cost of a brand new corsair ship rigged and supplied for a reaving voyage.

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>>54699669
>Archaon doesn't like Blood Bowl

Literally the most evil thing about him.

>>54699705
Technically he rendered the rest of Nehekhara into vassals, so he didn't set taxes. Just demanded tribute.

Given he created a ridiculously robust economy, he may have dropped taxes for citizens and invested in taxable industries instead.

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>>54699399
there won't be any ban at all, you dumb newfag, go back to whatever hugbox you came from

>>54699705
Well the question was more of a "Does he kill everyone to replenish his army" kind of question
Still nice text

>>54699740
Hotek must have had some apprentices that sided with Malekith during the Sundering

>>54699743
He probably bowls alone.
When he gets drunk and starts sucking he walks down the lane and kicks the pins down, which is when the staff know to call him an Uber.

>>54699711
In the books it says they get called up with everyone else when the RIGHTFUL PHOENIX KING needs spear-fodder but are then expected to go back to civilian careers in peacetime, hence the female corsair first-mate being unusual.

>>54699449
He's been generally portrayed as harsh, but fair. Think like some sort of dictator in that there isn't really any wiggle room or freedom under his rule, but he was damn good at it and didn't fuck things up like some infamous ones. Not necessarily some benevolent, wise and just figure, but he can be remarkably good and even restrained as long as proper respect is shown.

I know that one Tomb Kings city - Numas - has a tribe of humans in it that worship the Tomb King there as a god, and they're allowed to live and trade for food and what have you. It's not unfair to think that the Tomb Kings would want living subjects, especially intellectual types - one short story had an Arabyan scholar kept alive by a Tomb King even though he desire death, because the dead can start to lose their wits. It wouldn't be unfair to assume that they'd want to trade for things that are luxurious or can help them rebuild their cities, I'm just not sure what they'd give.

>>54699792
I can't tell if this is a troll or you genuinely don't know what Blood Bowl is...

>>54699711
Why are you lying on the internet? Druchii women can be anything from a lowly warrior up to dreadlord, sorceress, death hag, even black guard. Many control entire noble families.

>>54699504
You kidding? Druchii are total sybarites. They fuck, they kill, they fuck while killing.

It's not canon, but I tend to think they're more fecund, as well, perhaps due to not living right next to a radiation-throwing magical vortex.

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>>54699810
>Dictator who gets shit done

Best system of government.

>>54699734
They're separate, yes. Think Ashlander Dunmer to city Dunmer.

>>54699803
Finubar won the popular vote AND electoral college.

Malekith spreads fake news because he literally gave up.

>>54699803
I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying under normal circumstances a woman isn't expected to live as a soldier all the time. Malus notes corsair is one career they may avoid this nominal restriction for, but even he has a retainer (possibly even a knight) who lives as a soldier on a permanent basis (with supposed social repercussions, like working for a total fucking twat even by druchii standards. Well, that and love, apparently.).

>>54699810
>. It wouldn't be unfair to assume that they'd want to trade for things that are luxurious or can help them rebuild their cities, I'm just not sure what they'd give.

It's not beyond possibility that a tomb king might trade for things a human society would need out of a stubborn desire to live as if he was living again. At least one tomb king was famous for demanding sumptuous banquets be laid out for him, but he couldn't remember what they were for and they'd literally just sit there and rot while he pondered it.

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>>54699827
...the joke is Blood Bowl AKA gridiron football is a team sport with massive crowds of fans, bowling can be done alone and there is a stereotype of fat unpleasant men doing just that late at night at bowling alleys.

So everyone who isn't a hated edgemaster plays or is a fan of Blood Bowl, Archaon goes bowling alone.

Do you get my joke now?

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>>54699837
Same with Eldar in 40k, I think it's more a case of third world living conditions vs first world. High Elves are too cultured and educated to do something as messy and plebian as *shudder* reproduction, unless they absolutely have too.

High elves put off having kids until they're five or six thousand years old because they're worried it'll ruin their figure and they want to focus of their sculpting career.

Your average Dark elf woman has probably had sixteen kids by the time she's 80 because she could get decapitated on her commute to work so why the fuck not. Fourteen have probably been brutally murdered before reaching adulthood but that still puts her two ahead of the frigid six thousand year old High elf who's still waiting to meet the right elf to start a family with.

Same reason High elf women wear floor length robes and Dark elf women wear thongs and (optional) nipple pasties.

tl;dr Dark elf women are sluts

>>54699997
Yes sorry, obvious with hindsight.In my defence they sat me in the corner with crayons during my final years at school.

>>54699734
Yeah, to the point they murder other Druchii who walk outside the cities.

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>>54700028
No problem, I could have phrased it much better.

Unrelated, looks like the TGG2 Keeper is shipping out soon.

>>54699985
Oh, I'm not saying there isn't things they wouldn't want from humans. I'm just not sure what they'd be willing to trade to humans, considering Settra went on an angry crusade against some treasure thieves, and most tomb robbers are similarly dealt with.

>>54700168
They stole from him.

Anything Settra wants beyond his expected tribute and duties of vassal to master would be bartered for.

Probably fresh paint. If Nehekhara is anything like Egypt they had ludicrously vibrant paint that would even make Slaanesh think he's tripping balls. Settra knows you can't just demand everything for free and have a functioning society, and mindless skeletons have no eye for hue and pigment. No pun intended.

>>54700128
>Keeper of Secrets
>No dick

I suppose it's easy to fix with greenstuff, other than that it's a really cool model.

>>54700168
What are they going to trade with the humans for or with? They don't really need anything like a normal culture because they're all dead and the only things they've got of value to trade are all SACRED RELIC HANDS OFF DONUT STEEL

>>54699334
>>54699399
Making anything on 4chan "safe for work" at all was a fucking mistake. Die in a fire, newfag.

>>54700282
military might? Acting as mercenaries and conveniently expanding Settra's realm?

>>54700282
They like things that remind them of life, some of the time. They also tend to like stuff of some luxury. Some would probably be interested in discoveries in science or magic.

>>54694488
>cool
Oh you need to be rocked

>>54700282
Gold from unraided tombs?

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>>54700412
>Having the power to phase your hand into your enemies chest cavity and then solidifying to crush and/or remove his/her heart isn't cool

No taste at all.

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>Demon defeated by rock
When will Games Workshop come up with something original?

>>54700689
but I thought Be'Lakor is too awesome and cool to be defeated by mere rocks because he transcends reality and is the first Daemon Prince and shit

>>54700856
it was a big rock

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>>54700856
>He assssssked ussss: *snort* Be you Chaosss Godsss?

>No, we are but Ssssskinkssss! ROCK! AAAAAAAAAAAAH-AHHHHH-AHHHHH-AHHHHH-AAHHHH!

>>54700907
>for you

>>54700945
what is this line from?

>>54694789
What's the dealio with Prince Ograx?

>>54700689
Now I've got to change the plans for my terradon riders

instead of having magic laser eyes polearms, they will have magic NOT!guitars

>>54700973
Tenacious D began as a joke album which became a TV miniseries which became a real band which became a movie.

Tribute is a song referring to the later Beelzeboss segment of the movie.

https://youtu.be/_lK4cX5xGiQ

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>>54700128
Thr warped flesh and talons seem to end way less slim than expected, kinda excessive for my tastes, I prefer the other lust daemon proxy available
>inb4 slaanesh IS excess

I hope this doesn't ruin the other units who have to be smaller

>>54701024
True Beastman warlord in the Southpole that Archain recruited when he was there looking for Be'lakor's statue fortress. He started out as bestial looking abomination but as the journey went on and he gained favour from the gods, Ograx and his Beastmen transformed from bestially monsters to handsome men with some bestial features. This is due to not having any man blood in them.

When Archaon climbed the sleeping gigantic Dragon Ogre father/king to retrieve the Slayer of King, he had Ograx pry open the Dragon Ogres hand to get the sword. When Archaon grabbed the sword, the daemon within started screaming. Archaon panicked because the screaming was rousing the Dragon Ogre from his sleep. In a fateful moment Archaon accidentally spied the mark of Be'lakor on Ograx when the beastman's muscles burst from his plates from the effort. Enraged and desperate, Archaon sheathed the Slayer King down into Ograx's mouth and down his throat. Satisfied with blood after so long, the daemon went silent.

>>54701213
What a teamkilling faggot.

>>54701328
Ograx was an agent of Be'lakor implanted into Archaon's horde. He was a traitor.

>>54693936

I NEVER got this. They make so many new WHFB video games, yet none based off of WHFRP??

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>>54701391
I think it's largely because the main game is about fantasy armies clashing, so bringing it to a smaller scale about one to five people isn't what they're interested in most of the time. BUT I think it's just a matter of time, seeing as how there's going to be a hack-and-slash Warhammer game. They just need a good development team to do it.

I want nothing more than to ride from Carroburg to Middenheim, or trek across the Grey Mountains, or marvel at the scale of Blackfire Pass. You just gotta believe!

>>54701343
Was he even against Belly at that point?
Still sounds like teamkilling.

>>54701460
Yes. At that point of the story he had round 1 with Be'lakor which ended with Be'lakor wiping the floor with him.

>>54697539
Man, I miss the old warhammer and 40k artwork. Anyone know here I can find an album or archive?

>>54701500
Oh, that contrived daddy bullshit?

>>54701455
I hope Fatshark decide to do something less hectic set in the Warhammer World after Vermintide.
They nailed the atmosphere and the environments, their voice acting is good and the background details are perfect.

I want to play as the Vermintide crew palling around Bogenhafen solving mysteries and busting cults.

>>54701563
And make it five players. There's no reason not to run around with the entire crew unless you're some console faggot bringing down everything.

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>>54701391
Have you not played Vermintide? It is literally based off a pretty well-designed adventure splat for WFRP 3e. The system's worthless garbage, of course, but it was a cool adventure.

>>54701591
They actually tried it initially with Vermintide, but found it made things either too hectic and hardware-nasty, or was too easy.

>>54701680
Lame, but I don't know much about hardware needs. I just don't like having someone sit out when there are four slots but five people that want to play together.

>>54698936
The new one has big muscular arms quite unlike a t-rex, and because of the material its scales are very shallow.

>>54701563
That would be a bit hard considering the world has ended.

>>54699569
>So did mortal Be'lakor

No? The Warp Gates collapsed at -5600, Belly got his upgrade at -4970. More than 600 years after.

>>54702035
https://youtu.be/N1uTsqJVAeo

>>54702035
Multiverse. Ain't gotta explain shit.

>>54702072
Grungni's anti-Chaos Runes trump Be'lakek.

Then again, what else would you expect from a race that are experts in rock.

>>54699717
Settra was a Bretonnian?

>>54702174
As it should.

I don't follow the logic that 'as the first demon' Belly should be somehow immune to how demons work. He's the first demon - the codifier. If anything, all the shit that works on demons could be argued to only work because it worked on him first.