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>>54653522
Ah there's your problem. Take it from a templar player. Either layer your way up to light grey, or prime the pauldrons separately. As for the eyes, Paint white line in the center, put thin glaze of red over, repeat until satisfied.

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Anon from last thread painting his first army. Here's a pic of my first dudeman. Should I just smoke crack instead of painting?

So as suspected, the Iron Warriors are just literal copies of the Imperial Fists

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5th for 8 hellstrikes per turn

>>54653666
they are basically two sides of the same coin, I don't see what the big deal is.

>>54653646
Looks good for your first time. As I said in >>54653643
Building up to a light grey is your best bet, just painting white ends up as a pain in the ass. And as for the question about crack, remember NOT. EVEN. ONCE

>>54653585
>>54653646

Ok. As a tutor, stop calling your doings bad. It creates a negative stigma and generally prevents yourself from getting better. I can't tell you how many teens I've had to verbally smack because they kept telling themselves they were bad at math.

Now, that's actually not bad. The biggest issue, as I pointed out above, is that you should never paint pure white. Go grey and work up. The lighting is weird, but a few highlights on the black with greys won't hurt. The sword looks a little thicc and needs a brighter highlight (yes, even metals need a highlight, even if it's just a thin gloss of a brighter metallic).

>>54653683
The sheer unoriginality
And such a shift from what they had in Traitor Legions, which was 6+ FNP (Ironically ANOTHER Chapter's trait copied)

>>54653646

Highlight your black with gray, and don't paint flat white, paint light gray instead and work your way up to white.

Watch Duncan's tutorials on the WarhammerTV channel on Youtube. He's pretty good at explaining how to do complicated shit to people.

Watch a few videos and give it another shot and I'm betting you'll see some decent improvement already.

>>54653666
Atleast you get something that can be useful to actually kill things.
I'm so fucking mad about this release, its like GW is shitting in the face of non god aligned legion players again.

>no new models
>Word Bearers trait is to reroll morale checks

Seriously wtf, how could anyone think that its fine if some become for example realy good at CC and then give other legions such bullshit.

>possessed get 1 more wound

and they are still shit.

Nurgle daemons and Nids are the last hope for me or I'll have to play AoS until 9th edition.

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>>54653627
So, I'm thinking of starting uo a new army, and I think I've settled on playing Imperial guard. I've always had a like for the buggers, and now seemed like the opertune time to start up a forcs of them.

So far, I have:
1 Tempestor Prime
15 Scions
10 Veterans(converted from Admech)
1 metal Catachan squad

Now, the only problem I have now, is that I have no clue where to go from here, and I am most certainly not a fan of the generic Cadian sculpts.

So now, that's where you come in /tg/! I want your advice on both counts as mini's and what to buy next.

Now, I will admit, I love myself some Dakka, and I love really intense close range shooting. Scions are a favorite of mine, as I love their deep strike ability and how many high ap shots they can put out. I'm not too much of a tread head, but I do love me some artillery!

Now, as for mini's, all I know about are Mantics, Victoria's and a few other companies. So I'm all ears for suggestions!

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>>>54653480
>>54653646

I've found it helps to keep fiddly bits on the sprue or clipped and temporarily glued/blue stuffed to another surface, like a piece of cardboard

It makes doing trim a lot easier when you don't have to worry about getting paint on other parts of the model

And a good trick is to try to move your brush hand as little as possible while rotating the model, it can preserve the best angle if you get it right

There are a few tricks to get things done quick and dirty; Wash, dry bush, edge highlight

Washes are your friend even if its just on metals or in recesses, but you can do all over. I used to paint plague marines green over a brown basecoat, then give them a red wash + an off white dry blush and they turned out with this disgusting, green/brown armour shade that went to red in the recess and had an overall kind of waxy look to them. Perfect.

As an example of how why you do this and how good it can look refer to pick related. See how something as simple as one wash can make the detail start to pop.

Other than that the best I can tell you is think your paints, keep your hands steady and drink your paint water when you're done, it's how Duncan gains his powers

>>54653717
Just use daemons and cult units. They are what makes your army more than just worse space marines. Hell, your summoning possibilities are terrifying

>>54653717

Night lords are right there, too. At least yours has the potential to be useful.

>>54653717

>and they are still shit

They're cheaper than chosen, get S5 power weapons, 2 attacks on average, an invul and now they're tanky too. They might not be shit anymore m8

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Yo, whoever's at the Fizzy Shop: fuck you. Love, the Imperium.

>>54653646

Here

https://youtu.be/hRR7W5-F15c

>>54653664

So true. Playing Imperials comes with free hand jobs from GW

I'd care more about Konor if the Xenos weren't basically spoilers rather than actually involved in the conflict. Oh boy, my contribution is... picking a side to win that I'm not in any way affiliated with... woo...

>>54653717
>Word Bearers get DttFE and ATSKNF
That isn't too bad. I'd imagine you'll probably get relics and strategems as well.

>>54653760

I missed this when did night lords legion trait get leaked?

>>54653790
Mechanids when

>>54653774
Should you really care considering you're going to win the campaign no matter what? Just keep collecting those "painted" points.

Fuck you,
The Xenos
Aka NPC Races literally points for the real factions

>Ahriman/ExSorc lose infantry tag if they take disc
>you need infantry, biker or helbrute tag to benefit from Chapter Tactics

Uhhh, 40ktards?

How important is primer? I live in an apartment, and don't really have anywhere to spray it on.

>>54653824
Spicy. I'd sent that to GW on Facebook right now if you're a TSons-fag so they fix it for your codex.

>>54653802
You can see all legion traits in the new WD. Its a very tiny picture but if you try realy hard or have good eyes you can read them.

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>>54653718

>A new IG player looking for advice

I have waited long for this day.

The first thing to figure out for yourself is what you want out of this army. Do you want to win, do you want an army that looks cool and abides by a certain theme, or some balance of both? This determines what you buy and field.

If you want an efficient, competitive army:

In the current edition, infantry spam is very efficient and this makes IG quite good now. The price of a guardsman dropped form 5 points to 4, and a conscript is only 3. This and flak armor saves actually are a thing now,since AP only lowers saves, not eliminate them.

On the flip side, tanks are less good than they used to be. The leman russ and chimera in particular are basically just rolling bricks now, able to take damage but not deal it. IG also benefit from a lot of special weapon dense deep striking units like scions and command squads, and now special weapon teams and veterans can share transports and get even more high AP stuff in one box. Artillerywise, the basilisk and manticore both are very good now, the mortar tanks less so.

As for minis, there's pig iron, wargames exclusive, anvil industries and victoria off the top of my head. Also consider the old cadian, steel legion, vostroyan, or even chaos cultist minis as substitutes for the goofy cadian plastics and their earmuff helmets.

Whatever you do, I advise you to take your time to make a converted, interesting mix of units with their own unique look unless you truly are in love with some default color scheme you see in the books. If you try to paint your stuff exactly as you see it in the codex, you will realize on day years from now you spent hundreds of dollars making someone else's army. Never buy a model you think is ugly just because it has good rules - if you really want it, convert it from something else.

You are going to want a lot more infantry - probably at least 150 models, and maybe some tauroxen.

>>54653840
Get a cardboard box, take out one of the sides, tape models down in said box, take box outside, spray.

>>54653824
They will probably FAQ it to whatever their old keyword was. Discs were just jump infantry in 7E.

>>54653824
>Thousand Sons codex is out

>>54653840
1) Important
2) Spray outside if you can't do it indoors

>>54653840

Just use brush on primer. Stynlyrez is god tier, better than gesso and Vallejo

>>54653802

See your other reply, but NL give stacking -1Ld within 6", which is worthless because moral is more useless now than in 7th

What washes should I use for blacks and whites?

>>54653868
>moral is more useless now than in 7th

Does this nigga even play the game?

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>>54653718
So, I do have a list of possible, and I do say "possible" replacements. Most of them are either expensive, or simply not to my taste:
Any of Victoria Miniature's guardsmen
Maelstrom's Edge Contractors
Prodos Games Imperial Trenchers
Prodos Games Bauhaus Hussars
Anvil Industry Tox Troopers
Puppets War Tactical Troopers

Any suggestions? Pic related is a Tox Trooper, which is leading, due to them being 23.77 plus shipping for ten of the buggers, minus bases(which is fine, I have 50+) and look the best.

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OUT OF MY WAY IMPERIUM FUCKING SHITS
>2+/5++
>FIFTY wounds
>12 S10 AP-2 2D6 X 2 Biocannons
>WS 3+ to 5+ BS 3+ S10 T8
>2D6 hits flamer
>Can aoe an entire unit in melee
>6x strength TWENTY attacks AP-5 2D6 damage REROLLING ONES
>Its blood is acid
>Can literally carry a squad of gaunts, jeans, hive guards warriors or tyrant guards as well as a tyranid prime or broodlord
All for a measly 1800 points / 90 power

>>54653889

I have never seen moral do anything besides kill one conscript because the unit is either totally wiped or its immune because GW decided IG, Orks, Poxwalkers, and Nids needed immunity to moral.

>>54653850
>Never buy a model you think is ugly just because it has good rules - if you really want it, convert it from something else.

this is really good advice.

>>54653927
What about buying a miniature that sucks because you think it looks neat?

Blood Angels or Ultras?

>>54653937
hows that WAAC list?

>>54653937
Also acceptable, rules change over time my dude, case in point, Chaos Spawn stopped being useless little ass goblins.

>>54653664
Why would the non-codex player accept the match, unless the codex player agreed to only use their index rules?

>>54653937
I don't consider myself a waacfag but I bought models solely for their looks and over time I came to regret my decisions. Being useless during a game doesn't make up for a model looking nice for me anymore. Shits expensive.

>>54653717

I think that GW legitimately believes its own shit about how Chaos is the big bad of the setting and that they're on equal power to the marine dexes, and/or believe that moral bonuses in and of themselves are powerful or that paying for a 16% chance to ignore a wound when their are other 1 cp strats that let units add 1 to wound, roll additional hits on 6s, or move and shoot after advancing at ludicrous speed.

That and a significant failure to address some of the issues with the model line and the one-up-manship of the normal marine line over chaos. Putting aside the centurions, which are blatantly loyalist oblits/muties, chaos does not have any equivalent of or access to:

>Conversion beamers
>Grav weapons
>A huge assortment of melee weapons, including thunder hammers, power spears and relic blades (if you count the index)
>A flying transport
>A highly shooty small unit transport
>Customizable vanguard vet equivalent (could count warp talons I suppose)
>Multiple landraider variants
>land speeders
>Dreadnoughts beyond the helbrute
>A non turkey fighter craft
>non line of sight weapons
>A special shooty option on Chaos Sternguard equivalent (like their special issue bolters)
>Cyclone Missile launchers, assault cannons, and plasma cannons
>And attack bikes

Instead of that chaos gets the three dino bots, more customizable terminators possessed and spawn. You could call having daemons as allies a big boon but marines have EVERY other imperial codex to draw from for allies, so I'll call that one at least even. I'm sure some of these deficiencies are made up for by FW but GW doesn't want to acknowledge they exist so neither will I

Chaos, because of its small number of units and limited options per unit compared to other marines is just boring, and it comes across as weird that you average chaos warband subscribes more closely to the codex as far as squad loadouts go then the SW

>>54653850
Firstly, thank you for the help! Its nice to hear such a positive response! Anyways, what I really want out of this army is really aggressive and shooty army, that will lay down huge volleys of lasers as they march up the field. I have a real penchant to move my guys perhaps a bit too close, but I simply can't help myself; I love getting up close and blasting away. But I do want to win games, or at least have fun games. I am so tired of Admech being out gunned and outsped by everyone else, while being outnumbered.

I like the idea of having large hordes of miniatures, but with the time and money restrictions I have, I know it's going to be a slow build. But regardless, its one i'm excited for!

As for this army, I really want it to be unique from the rest of everyone elses stuff; As of late, I am doing more and more conversions, and buying more from other people. Although I've never really done my own paint schemes before, I want to do one for these guys. I just need to figure it out.

As for tanks, how many would you get? And how do you run them? I kind of want to get some, as a way to help give my army some punch as it plows its way up the field.

>If you try to paint your stuff exactly as you see it in the codex, you will realize on day years from now you spent hundreds of dollars making someone else's army.

You know, I've never thought about it that way.

>>54653920
>T8
>"Titan"

Tyranidlets, everyone.

How does one Ork in 8th?

Are Trukk Boyz even a thing now they have to disembark and jog over to the enemy?

>>54653824
What >>54653859 said. With the release of the CSM codex and the clear omission of TSons from the roster, that leaves TSons in a limbo with questions that need answering. For one thing, will Magnus and Ahriman gain access to the new Tzeentch spells? I'd like to say yes, but who knows? Hopefully they will address this in the codex or an faq but we shall see.

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>>54653937

This comes down to why you play the hobby. You need to honestly asses what you enjoy about 40k and decide if you want to spend money of the hobby aspect - ie, suboptimal but cool models that are fun to play with - or the gaming aspect - ie, the stuff that optimally works.

In my case, I got heavy into IG with the release of the Steel Legion models back in 1999 with the Armageddon Codex, and never stopped loving the lore of that particular regiment. I try to stay as true to its look and feel as possible, so lots of light mechanized infantry and some armor.

That being said, I work with what I find thematically acceptable to make as competitive a list as I can within those bounds, since it's no fun to play a game you can't even hope to win. The optimization of my list is constrained by its thematic consistency, though, so it will never be top grade. I've accepted that, and it's more fun this way.

>>54654021
Nidlets is more catchy

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why does gw hate chaos

>>54653920

We had a guy bring that + some chaff to a 2000 point tournament a few weeks ago

He lost every game

>>54653886
The better question is what exactly are you trying to do?

>>54654055
Hate them so much that they made them one of the two halves of the poster-child-feud. CSM are being set up as THE big bad atm. I can only dream of xenos being given that sort of treatment.

>>54654054
You are most certainly correct, sir.

Nidlets it is.

>>54654055
Because they overestimated the power of Chaos Marines.

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My friend decided to give up on getting a Deathwatch + Inquisition army to work the way he wants and sold his models to buy some Thousand Sons instead. So I need a 1,500 to fight him with now that he's willing to do matches above 1000

This is what I put together as a first draft - he showed me his list but Im trying to make a well-rounded army for all comers, since hard-countering specific armies is a dick move

I dont have a decent list builder and I didnt want a mile tall post so this was the best way I could come up with to actually post the list

any thoughts?

>>54654055
C'mon anon, isn't this what you wanted?
Your slightly worse tac marines with sloppy second legion traits?

>>54654043
Maybe they will allow Daemons to use TSons Legion Tactics, allowing Magnus to use them as well.

>>54654008

What I find hilarious is that Loyalist Marines have more access to old school equipment than chaos Marines, which fucking ass backwards.

>>54654070
Come the fuck on. What chaos undivided releases do we ever get? Our big fucking baddie (Abbadon) Is still a fucking resin cast model, while you get plastic everything

>>54654089
That is pretty clear cut: TSons will not be getting any Legion Tactics in this codex so Magnus and Ahriman won't have to worry about Legion Tactics for a while. The ones that are getting Legion tactics are Black Legion, World Eaters, Word Bearers, Emperor's Children, Night Lords, Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion and Renegades.

>>54654073
But nidlets is cute, and 60% of Tyranids players are female, so that doesn't work.

>>54654070
>Poster Child

No, anon. Deathguard are the bad guy poster children of 8th, which are now totally different to normal CSM by having tons of shit other legions don't have access to, just like thousand sons.

>>54653937
I have been playing CSM since 5th ed, what are you implying here anon?

>>54654070
No way
They are just the punching bag for the brand new Primaris Marines™ (RRP $60 in stores now) to beat up on and look good

The big chaos leader has a resin model from 20 years ago, while the imperium just had TWO triumvirate releases, and a a fuck load of characters have gotten updates

>>54654089
>Word Bearers Legion Tactics
When?

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>>54654014

A good goal for you is 150 infantry to fill 3 conscript platoons, backed up by priests and commissars to keep them on the table. This will be a lot of bodies on the field for your opponent to deal with, and each one with the first rank fire order will get up to 200 shots at close range.

Supplement this with your scions armed with meltas and plasmas to deal with armor, since conscripts can't hurt vehicles at all. A master of ordinance in the backfield surrounded by basilisks and manticores adds a lot of hurt, too.

For tanks, the conqueror is the best all-rounder battle tank for its points right now. Tauroxen are the best transports, point for point. I wouldn't recommend more than 1 or two battle tanks, since with the new movement rules they just don't hit often enough for their points imo. Unless, of course, you just like the models, then go for it.

Another option for you is to skip the battletanks and invest in a stormlord, which can carry up to 40 men inside of it and even lets 20 of them shoot out of it while embarked, making it a moving bunker. You could put an entire platoon in there, or 4 squads of 5 scions each, all using special weapons to really dish out pain. You can also easily convert a trojan support vehicle out of a chimera to give the stormlord's megabolter rerolls on 1, and unless they changed it embarked techpriests can still repair the tank without leaving it, so it will even regenerate damage every turn if some enginseers are on board.

>>54654129
I wonder why Death Guard though. Was there some beef between Mortarion and Guilliman?

>>54654137
2-3 days

How should I support my 10 combi-plas terminators? I have no idea what to take with my CSM anymore. I'm mostly infantry heavy and don't have the crazy dinobots. I do have a contemptor or two.

>>54654145

Because Deathguard were popular.

>>54654145
Simplicity and contrast. World Eaters would also have worked.

When explaining the setting to a new person, probably a 12 year old child, explaining the story and context of the Black Legion is complex. Death Guard look unique and can be explained very easily to even a normie.
That's the goal of GW in my opinion.

>>54654160
MSU cultists

>>54654194

Why MSU? Isn't that just giving them both T1 AND free kill points?

>>54654160
A sorc in terminator armor. Get warp time and prescience and go to town. Warp time will ensure you get to a 4" charge distance for whatever needs charging and prescience will ensure that you will hit whatever it is you need to hit.

>>54654173
It was a good call, imo. Khorne-themed chaos baddies are already overrepresented - red guys with chainaxes and horned helmets that scream and fight in melee has been done a lot.

Death Guard are a better, more unique foil that gives some needed attention to the more neglected aspects of Chaos lore. They make good flagship baddies.

>>54654212

Terminator armor is too expensive. I should have mentioned that I drop a Lord and Sorcerer with the terminators, both with jump packs since it allows them to Deepstrike, while giving them super mobility.

>>54654213

Khorne got daemonkin not extremely long ago as well as getting world eaters legion tactics. 1k sons got the next major release.

Nurgle is due up and doesn't have the whole tits and drugs thing Slaanesh has. Still hoping we see a daemon prince Fulgrim this edition. I'd count on Angron eventually too.

>>54654238
Then that works. As long as you have a means of getting your sorc to your terminators and give them warp time and prescience, you're golden. Now if you're looking to round out your army, post the list, pts bracket and talk us through your game plan. That'll help us tailor our advice better to suit your needs

>>54654148
Alright. How important is WYSIWYG in paint schemes for most people?

>>54654259
I care very much about WYSIWYG modelling, but as far as paints go I dont give two shits. You can bring bright yellow ultramarines if you want as long as they're holding the gear written on the army list.

>>54654259

How do you mean? Like playing a Blood Angels army with an Ultramarines paint scheme?

If that's the case then as long as everything is appropriately modeled and clearly identifiable (These Honor Guards are Sanguinary Guard, these angry Ultramarines are Death Company etc) it should be fine.

>>54654025
Yeah, still good for getting a small mob with a character or two in. You can't jump EVERYONE on turn one afterall... I mean, unless you have enough weirdboyz. For much more than boyz though, most people seem to be trusting Battlewagons, with possibly taking some grots to soak up deaths should it explode. Haven't done it myself, but that's what I see more talk of in the thread.

>>54654317
Alright. I know some people at my locals get pretty anal about it. Saw someone get refused to treat his army as Fists because he hadn't finished painting them.

>>54654259
It's not that big of a deal.
Like if someone brings an ultramarine army, but use them as salamanders because they want to benefit from the chapter tactic, then I'll give them a funny look, but I'll still play them.

>>54654254

I'm more generalizing, really. Until my axes come in from china, I'm stuck with lightning claws because I'm using the plastic Cataphractii termies from Calth. I didn't realize they were limited. That means I'm looking at 800pts for the fuck you team (550 for termies, and the rest split between the HQs). It's expensive, but it's already proven it's worth. They average 2 tanks DOA, and then are a general mess because 20 2+/5++ wounds is a tough nut.

Now, I have cultists available as well as a 3 HH boxes worth of dudes (2 Calth 1 Prosp), plus some Raptors and rhinos, and some ghouls I bought to use as spawn. Oh, I also have a Dreadclaw, but I don't think 200pts is worth it. As far as weapons, I have plasma for days because I'm drowning in Volkite, which makes for good counts-as plasma (I was making them 30k NL until HH died). I also have a ton of combi sets, a bunch of Autocanons, some Lascannons, and a squad of melee CSM.

>>54654332
The guys at your store sound like elitist shitheads

>>54654259
WYSIWYG is mostly for ease of identifying weapons and loadouts in the game.

people usually don't care what models are painted like.

the only things that really trigger autist are.
1. weapons usually match their load outs so that the minimal proxies are used to prevent confusion
2. specifically modeling units so that they are harder to spot (modeling for advantage) by giving a model vastly different silhouettes

>>54654259
There is no way to enforce paint schemes, although having an actual official paint scheme complete with decals and then not playing that chapter or whatever is kinda weird.

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reminder that the "bdsm mutants with tits and tentacles on them" aesthetic for slaanesh is an old and busted relic from the 80's and should be replaced with the regal, elegant and perfectionist aesthetic that they have in the newer books and stories

>>54654259
I played an all purple and gold SM army as Fists today because I wanted to test out some stuff I got from a friend. No one had any issues and the shop owner said that as long as they have the symbols or something that lets people know what they are without having to ask then it's all good for turnys

>>54654347
Yeah. I really like the game, and want to have more than just two people to play it with, but the LGS is full of assholes.

>>54654350
I'm talking more wanting to have a "non-canon" paint scheme.

>>54654374
the soul drinkers are an imperial fist successor

>>54654359
New daemonettes disagree with you, GW is afraid of doing tittied models anymore and have done a hard turn away from the "beautiful" slaanesh.

>>54654383
The rules straight up say you can paint non-canon schemes.

>>54654389
>soul drinkers
Oh cool shit.

Thanks mate.

>>54654394
Alright. What page? I want to be able to cite it against them if they bitch at me for having "wrong colored" miniatures.

First 8th List at 1500 points - Still 184 points to go, anything I could be doing better or add with 184 points to complete?

Planning on boosting the big Boyz mobs across the table with the Weirdboyz, allowing the Dreadz to stomp across the board


++ Battalion (CP +3) (Orks) [1316 Pts] ++

+ Troops +

Boyz [222 Pts]: Boss Nob, 30x Boyz, Power Klaw, Slugga
Boyz [222 Pts]: Boss Nob, 30x Boyz, Power Klaw, Slugga
Gretchin [60 Pts]: 10x Gretchin

+ Elites +

Runtherdz [26 Pts]: Runtherd

+ HQ +

Ghazghkull Thraka [215 Pts]
Weirdboy [62 Pts]
Weirdboy [62 Pts]

+ Heavy Support +

Deff Dreads [149 Pts]: 4x Dread Klaw
Deff Dreads [149 Pts]: 4x Dread Klaw
Deff Dreads [149 Pts]: 4x Dread Klaw

>>54654389

In the last book I'm pretty sure the Fists did tests and said "Nope, you're not one of ours"

How do I make epoxy copies of bits? I can't find any kabalite blaster bits on sale anywhere.

>>54654441
Just cut the front blades off spare shredders.
Not like 99% of players know what dark eldar weapons are anyway.

>>54653920
>All for a measly 1800 points / 90 power

For the same value my guards can bring enough big guns to shoot down this oversized critter in half a turn

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Thingken of converting a 1/48 Mig21 into a Thunderbolt, Yay or Nay?

>>54654055

More like why do they give you whiny nobodies attention at all. Can't even win your own campaign

>>54654283
We seem to be exact opposites.
Mind you I'm fine with paint schemes being slightly different from standard but holy shit WYSIWYGfags pls go

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>>54653627
>Ironlets

It need not be so.

>>54654473
fuckin ziggy man...

What's the best stuff to get for silicone and resin recasting?

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>>54654418

>>54654457
What about for dark lances for scourges?

>>54654014
also, i'd be hesitant to buy into the infantry spam meme. while it is effective in the current meta, it literally takes GW just one FAQ to potentially ruin such an army build. I advise going balanced, instead of spam - point cost updates will impact you less.

>>54653920
>1,800pts
That's 500 conscripts and commanders, for 2,000 lasgun shots.
3 turns to bring it down, even if you are killing the max conscripts per turn.

roaches go home

>>54654512
Just mix in splinter cannons or heat lances.

>>54654418
There really aren't any rules anywhere that state models can be painted differently but at the same time there's nothing saying they can't be either.

It's rather sad that GW would even need to include a rule saying you can paint models however you want but since these particular faggots sound super special just demand they point you to the rule stating how models are painted is relevant to being able to use chapter tactics.

I'd say just call the models a successor chapter since the page detailing chapter tactics explicitly states successors can use whatever chapter tactic you think fits them best but honestly they sound like such colossal faggots I doubt they're even worth playing with.

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Best Guard regiment?

>>54654515
You know the nerf is coming, right?

>>54654533
catachans

Help I need tyranids roster on 1000 against orcks and Space marines Anny ideas?

>>54654494
ooooooooh fuck that looks rad actually

>>54654528
I don't think WYSIWIG players will buy it if I have a couple different designs of gun and call them all the same.

>>54654542
Reminder that Catachan btfo Chaos before Guilliman could even reach the planet.

>>54654535
In a few months from now, perhaps.

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>>54654055

Why would anyone actually like Chaos, ever?

>>54654561
Desire. A desire for change, a desire for glory, a desire for peace, a desire for aesthetics, a desire for truth. The Imperium suppresses desire, suppresses yearning for anything within the constraints of the Ecclisiarchy's mad howling. To want something so much, you'd risk everything for it - that's Chaos.

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So, I'm building Pre heresy TS force, and I want to incorporate some Legion of the Damned.

I wanted to use some Rubrics for this with timey wimey warpey tzeentchy shenannigans, but I'm not sure how I want to proceed on the colors.

Option 1 is just painting it same as my preheresy marines.

The other options are pic related.
>Pure Tzeentch warp ghost look with garish pinks and blues
>Time line merger with preheresy and post heresy colors blending into each other
> Shadowy "mysterious ally" mostly black shadow minus some edge glows look.

>>54654556
I don't think it will take that long. They got to Razorwing Flocks, Genestealers and Stormravens in a matter of weeks.

>>54653937
>>54653927

To say "never bother with rules, look at the model", just doesn't cut it for me. It needs to be a combination of the two, because a brutally good looking model would just look boring and flat if it doesn't have cool rules/fluff to follow. And a mediocre looking model can most definitely look better if it has fun, matching fluffy rules that lifts its role on the battlefield.

>>54654586
>1KS counts as LotD
>not even any changes, just a paint scheme
>one of the options doesn't even change paint scheme

Lame and unimaginative as fuck.

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>>54654561
Model wise I find them more diverse and interesting with more opportunity with freedom of conversion. Plus the imperial models also look a lot smoother and cleaner which I dislike.

>>54654556
given that conscript spam won the giant BAO and the organizers are GW playtesters, i would anxiously await this months FAQ if I was you.

>>54654591
They will probably just wait for the codex to change it.
Tournament lists with 500 conscripts are amazing in theory, but the sheer number of models is impractical and is just not done.

>>54654624

As long as commissars exist, conscripts will be broken.

>>54654644

Any factions GW seems to act lazy about balancing probably has the changes coming in a codex soon

-1 to hit from 12"+ seems so shit

Alpha Legion get cucked again

>>54654644
>but the sheer number of models is impractical and is just not done.
You don't need 500 of them, only 150.

Which was pretty much what was included in every single top tournament list at the recent major tournament, other than Tau commander spam armies.

Tau Commanders and Conscripts are almost guaranteed to see a nerf in the next FAQ.

>>54654624
Considering the quality of the playtesting for this edition, I wouldn't be too worried about sensible changes coming from them.

>>54654656
I said this

>>54653821
Anon, Chaos is the NPC now. By pure results no one plays Chaos.

>>54654671
>I wouldn't be too worried about sensible changes coming from them.
The nerfs we saw in the last FAQ were all really sensible changes.

>>54654681
Obvious flaws that they missed in their supposed two years of nothing but playtesting

Has Night Lords got their Tactic yet?

My mate runs his Night Lords as both vanilla and CSM as he doesn't like 'Night Lords are Chaos worshippers' thing.

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>>54654672

>>54654644
>Tournament lists with 500 conscripts are amazing in theory, but the sheer number of models is impractical and is just not done.
So did you miss the razorwing flock swarms that they totally nerfed already?

If I had more than one unit of conscripts I would be selling them on ebay right now, before the nerfs render them worthless like those 7,000+ Riptides that no one is buying.

>Desperate for Redemption: Roll a D6 after completing the first set of attacks for a unit of Penitent Engines in each Fight phase. On roll of 4+, the unit can immediately pile in and attack for a second time.

I've seen people shitting on penitent engines but this coupled with an extra attack from a priest sounds pretty killy. Does their lack of movement speed just fuck them over?

>>54654716
see
>>54654698

>>54654698
Nice asspull figure of two years. This is how you know these faggots don't even have a real argument, they just make up shit because they're butthurt 8E is so much better and successful than their shitty 7E.

>>54653920
I don't think you fully understand how much shit you can bring for 1800pts

>>54654064
I wanna base my guys on snow so maybe a slushy look if such a thing exists?

>>54654726
Uh, what does that post have to do with the fact that conscripts are going to get nerfed soon?

>>54654586
I like the idea, but the paint scheme needs to be awsome to pull this off. So preferably 1, maybe 2 and definetly not 3.

>>54654671
it's the most balanced edition 40K has ever had and you're still bitching?
t. been playing since Rogue Trader

So Nurgle's next models are

>Mortarion
>Plagueburster Crawler tank
>Death Guard Terminators
>Grand Cultivator of Nurgle(?)
>Great Unclean One(?) (Possible Ku'gath Plaguefather?)

>>54654707

It's shit. Break it to him lightly

What's a halfway decent way to play a mostly custodes army? Are the contemptors worth it?

>>54654359
That's an odd shift. I thought the point of slaanesh was extremes, like how the Emperor's Children's senses got jaded to the point that only the most jarring and discordant colors and sounds could stimulate them. Kinda like how that artist in the Fulgrim HH book started making paintings out of human remains.

>>54654749
Probably

>>54654755
Where is it? Got all of them?

>>54653920
3 tigers 1-0s are even all that great but could probably give it a close fight

>>54654733
Mix snow + PVA glue + white paint for slushy snow

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how do I motivate myself to start painting again?

I've lost all creativity and am just stuck on the base colour.

>>54654749
The first four for sure, plus the multipart Plague Marines and a full Bloat Drone kit.

GUO is heavily rumoured but we don't have any confirmation. If we get one it will surely be a dual-kit that can be built as both a generic GUO and Ku'gath, just like the new LoC that can be built as Kairos.

Also strong hints that both Maggoths and the Glottkin are getting repackaged with conversion sprues to be fieldable in 40k.

>>54654777
>digits
Thanks nurgle, lookin forward to it

So how can GW nerf conscripts?

Increase the points of all IG infantry?

>>54654533
Steel legion

>>54654494
where did you find this? Wanna see how he made it, looks very nice.

>>54654791
Weaken orders on conscripts

>>54654791
That's my expectation. All IG infantry including HWTs are criminally undercosted.

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>>54654359
This is why my daemonettes are kitbashed with Witch Aelves and my EC marines all have perfect white hair and flawless light pink skin.
My terminator lord still has a greenstuffed tentacle arm with bone-like blades coming out of it but even that manages to look kind of elegant with the way it's molded to look like it's coiling back to strike.

>>54654766

People painstakingly got them from a French WD picture. NL is stacking -1 Ld within 6", which is fucking terrible in warhammer " Lol what's moral? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" 8th edition.

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>>54653627
wat

>>54654806
Orders don't matter, they're OP even if you don't bring officers. They need to raise the points or take away their 5+ flak armour.

>>54654791
>Inherently Cowardly: If Conscripts are not within 6" of a Commissar, roll 2D6 at the start of every turn, that many models are removed from the field as they run away.

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Is the Grey Knights range getting squatted or redone?
Because this is worrying me.

>>54654819
>mfw IG are just a bunch of sheep trying to run away from the sheepdog commissar

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> Play Space Marines
> Really like the look of the Valkyrie
> Want to get one

If I end up buying one, what should I transport in it? I was thinking of picking up some old AOS Ogres or something and converting them into Ogryns and using the Valkyrie to drop them behind my opponent's lines or something.

Should I get an Inquisitor or some cheap Cadians or something?

I run a lot of vehicles/Dreadnoughts so maybe some cheap suicide units that would hopefully keep my opponent's dudes occupied while my mobile armor slowly ambles across the board would be a good idea, but the idea of dropping a small squad of tough units also seems appealing. I don't know enough about IG units though so I figured I'd ask /40kg/.

>>54654819
Worthless change, they're always within 6" of a Commissar and not every army has access to snipers, not to mention even if they do they aren't cost-effective and even if they were it's too easy to hide the commissars out of LoS.

It will be points increases.

>>54654797
It's cataphracti legs
Tartaros body.
mkiii arms and backpack

>>54654776
Run a block and then masturbate. Not even kidding. Get the blood flowing

>>54654830
The new Grey Knights codex goes up for pre-order this Saturday. Why the fuck would you think they're getting squatted.

>>54654830
They're probably all getting repackaged in new boxes with the datasheets from the new Codex included inside.

>>54654839
Can I substitute the run for a second round of masturbation?

>>54654747
>most balanced edition
lmao no
It dropped with massive teething issues that should have been picked up within a week of playtesting.
Maybe it will be the most balanced in a year or so, but right now it's pretty messy

>>54654852
compared to other editions, this is balanced as fuck.

>>54654852
It has tons of imbalances, but still markedly less than every previous edition. I've been around almost as long as that other anon and I can tell you for sure, 8th is the best so far.

>>54654815
>Stacking -1 Ld
Could actually be fun if you did msu that attacked together.

>>54654486

There's a middle ground that needs to be reached at the minimum.

Recently I had a game where the kid used a Helldrake as a Hemlock fighter, empty flight stands as heavy weapon platforms, and other empty bases as various other troops with different weapons.

The game sucked to play. I couldn't remember what each individual base had for which troop and/or weapon it was representing and he couldn't either.

If someone points at a Crisis Suit squad and says "they all have burst cannons" even if they're not modeled as such I don't care. But when people make proxies and don't even have a fucking model on the base I get agitated.

>>54654852
If you think this in imbalanced, you weren't here in 3rd.

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>>54654545
>>54654797
Found it here
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328717-iron-within-iron-without-iron-shake-it-all-about/

>>54654852
>massive teething issues

Oh look another hyperbolic 8E hater. Even the largets 8E issues are nothing compared to the shit that was 7E's fully developed ruleset. It's like you newfags weren't even around for 6E's unbeatable White Dwarf Flamers of Tzeentch army from Nov 2012, or flyer domination and taking over a year to get the turret removed from the Heldrake.

>>54654816

I built that model back in December, it's from the Start Collecting Space Marines box (my first "real" 40K purchase after picking up the three marines+glue+paint/brush starter box).

As a joke I stood the Venerable Dread's torso onto some regular marine legs while I was building it and sent it to a friend. He thought it was funny so I posted it on 4chan once. I still get a kick out of seeing someone else post it every once in a while.

>>54653627
>>54647532
I can see he's a big guy, but how is he nice when he smells so much from his sweat trapped neckbeard

>>54654850
No, you need the exercise, otherwise masturbating will just make you sluggish

>>54654879
he used to post on the HH general as well. I remember them making fun of the white dots on the lenses.

>>54654897
>I remember them making fun of the white dots on the lenses.

Kek'd.

>>54654044

I really like your army. Must have spent a ton of time getting it up to this standard.

>>54654870

Any unit where the neg leadership would matter, you will more than likely kill outright because you have multiple units within 6" of another unit. Any unit you can't, isn't going to care about your penalties anyway, like Orks, IG, or Poxwalkers.

>>54654871
There's a difference between WYSIWYG and proxy I think.
Pointing at a specific Chaos Space Marine and saying he has the icon of excess and a boltgun even though he's modelled with a flamer? Okay, easy enough.
Pointing to a Heldrake and calling it a Hemlock fighter? Empty flight stands as anything? Scraps of paper as models? An ice cream container as a land raider? Fuck right off with all that shit.

>>54654494
Cataphracti legs
Tartarus torso
Mk3 arms and backpack
Mk4 head
>>54654797

>>54654884
>He's a big guy
Will he die if he shaves off the beard?

>>54654880
You mean the exact same problems that 8E is still dealing with?
The flier spam was the same shit as the heldrake, but worse, and spamming 200 brimstones is still OP as fuck

I don't hate 8E, I like it way better than 7th and 6th, but if you think it's perfectly balanced now, you need to pull your head out your ass

>>54654924
No one claimed that 8th ed was perfect. Calm your ass down.

>>54654918
It would be extremely painful

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>>54654932

For you

>>54654423
You could probably fit a few Nobz in a trukk with the spar points. Even without a powerklaw in the group, they'll tear through most anything, and having 2W and 4+ saves makes them last pretty long. Even if they get taken out early, that's shots that don't go into your boyz mobz, who will be doing serious damage once they get in close.

Basically a trukk full of anything just to make your opponent worried would probably be an okayish investment. I haven't tried my burnas in a trukk yet, but I assume it's still a worthwhile old tactic. Honestly, 184 pts for orks is a LOT of options. I'd say a gunline of lootas, but they honestly didn't do much for me last time I played (though they dice were fighting me a bit). Whatever you got with, good luck!

>>54654259

It depends. If its tourney, Id suspect people bring the best viable option to the table. If its a friendly game with buddies id suppose we all would expect a little more class when we play. If you have painted up a beautiful army of, say Ultramarine's, you don't show up at your friends house with Salamanders chaptertactics because you think the rules are more beneficial. If you have spent an eternity of converting and writing fluff for your own hombrew chapter, you don't shift in chaptertactics as soon as you think you will get a small advantage. Its just poor taste if you ask me. A indication that you don't really care for the world of warhammer 40.000, you don't care for lore or fluff, you are here to game and win, and that's all.

>>54654649
There should be a character sniping stratagem.

Guard Troop list with 4 Dreadnoughts. Worth the extra points for a captain and the Noughts or just over kill with tanks?

>>54654924
Good thing nobody said it was perfectly balanced you dumb nigger. By your own admission it's better than the prior editions so why the fuck are you being such a whiny ass bitch?

>>54654733
Paint bases a light blue gray, then put down water effects and dump snow flock on it. Comes out pretty slushy looking.

>>54654863
This. Been playing off and on since 2nd, and 8th is probably the best balance I've ever seen in the game. The last fresh start the game had was 3rd ed, and that's an edition that made me quit the game for years.

>>54654962
I was originally complaining about obvious oversights in the playtesting that lead to a ton of broken shit in the first tournaments
But apparently any complaint about the new edition is not allowed

>>54654348

Oh God! I have a friend who insists on bringing 150 infantry guardsmen to the table and every fucking time proxy the shit out of his special/heavy weapons! Its come to the bitter end that he even has to tag small notes next to his models to explain what the guy is wielding, so not to confuse everyone!

"Ok so my unit of melta veterans will fire", pointing at a squad with 2 grenade launchers, 1 plasma gun and a warmahordes character stuffed in....

>>54655001
Refuse games until he learns.

>>54654879
thanks anon.

>>54655001
I starting running conscripts because I didn't have enough special weapons. Lucky me.

>>54654948

Agreed. I'm not hugely anal about painting but the whole "I chose this chapter because I like their lore and paint scheme but I want to play them as something else because they're better on the tabletop" is just another kind of WAACing.

>>54655001
>"Ok so my unit of melta veterans will fire", pointing at a squad with 2 grenade launchers, 1 plasma gun and a warmahordes character stuffed in....
Holy shit what fucking cancer

>>54654997
You mean the most diverse tourney result 40k has had in decades?

You were the one denying that 8th ed was not the most balanced edition of 40k, and by that very tourney result you are complaining about, the game is more diverse than ever. Secondly the "problem" list got faq'd out immediately in record time.

>>54654791
>These are no soldiers - For every unit of conscripts you must field two full strength units of (regular imperial guard soldiers).
In addition, if your warlord is killed conscripts leadership is reduced to 1.

>>54655001

See

>>54655022

Tough love is still love.

>>54654879
>>54654494

This picture really shows what the Hobby is all about to me! Great conversions, great and fun ideas made real, painted great and with a wicked cool theme.

>>54655033
Or just not allow orders to be used on them.

>>54654791
>Fucking cowards - conscripts jump out of the way of bullets, so don't count them as nearest unit when trying to shoot at characters

Now you need other units or your comissars will die

>>54654997
>I was originally complaining about obvious oversights in the playtesting that lead to a ton of broken shit in the first tournaments
https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/07/31/bay-area-open-2017-top-8-players-factions-and-awards/
apart from imperial guard (which is refuse to call AM), even competetive 40K seems incredibly balanced. special mention goes to 3rd place who ran a highlander (ie no unit twice apart from troops) space marines army

>>54655033
>two full strength
It should be 2 units of militia per 1 professional squad, but there should also be a limit based upon the amount of company commanders you have

>>54654719
Plus with Zealot you're re-rolling failed hits on a charge. They're pretty great so long as you can get them close, but that's the issue.

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>>54655001
>"Ok so my unit of melta veterans will fire", pointing at a squad with 2 grenade launchers, 1 plasma gun and a warmahordes character stuffed in....
it's awkward,agreed, but if it allows me to better understand trhe capabilities of various enemy units (by allowing him to field them), I'd have no issue. it's still better than playing with paper chits only.

>>54655022
>>54655024
>>54655026
>>54655040

Well, to be fair its all friendly games, but its still annoying as fuck. Thus we have all ruled to play "open play" to start of 8th. This way you simply cannot allow proxy´s the same way, as no one really pays for upgrades or weapons! We will have to be brutally hard on enforcing a WYSIWYG attitude during these games, and he will simply have to adapt or stop playing.

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>>54654807

>>54655043
Retard, even if you remove Orders, Conscripts can camp objectives beyond any opponents potential to kill them. They also can swarm defence line break missions. They're good even without that.

>>54655040
>reddit spacing
>>54653627
To the guy that said hive tyrants were shit for easily being killed, gave you thought about keeping them 3+ inches away from tyrant guard, so they'll get the +1 attack when the tyrant dies

>roll a D6, on a 2+ unit autopasses test. If you get a 1, commissar is removed from play and unit fails its test

>tfw have over 100 Ork models to place when I start a game.

Is there a way to play Orks and not have to have 60 boyz?

>>54655101
trukkboy mob

>>54655101
Have you thought about using magnetised movement trays for them? You can get 100 magnets and enough milliput to secure the on for about £10 and would make transporting and moving them around much easier.

>>54655094


Lol.

>>54655025

Agreed. I will willingly admit though, that if a person has gone through length to convert models to fit his theme even though its not a viable option for him. Such as a mate of mine who really liked some of the "regular" Space Marine units but played Dark angels. He converted, and painted up both Flyers and Centurions to fit with the Dark Angels theme, and then just played them as Imp-fist´s on a separate detachment. I would have even allowed him to use full DA rules for them if he had wished it.

>>54655094
>reddit spacing

Not him, but anyone who knows MLA formatting or how to properly format a business communique will use double spacing out of habit.

>>54655101
Yes.

Warbikes

>>54655025

Which is better, playing an army you like who have rules you hate, or playing rules you like but an army you hate?

>>54655101
I considered making a Primaris Ork list with a core of Nobs and Flash Gitz

>>54655121
Where the fuck are you getting 100 magnets for £10. Every where I've seen selling magnets sells 20 for that much.

>>54655081

But that's the point really. Its only a different form of WAAC if you ask me, to play proxy's. And while I agree its OK to play "try-hammer" for a few games, before you make a purchase. I don't think its OK on a regular basis take advantage of your friends being friendly, and systematically play proxy's just to increase your chances to win.

>>54655135
in 40k, former since rules are so mercurial.

>>54655120
>having a squad of less than 20 for boyz
it's like you like to lose.
>>54655121
I thought of that might eventually do it.
>>54655126
>implying I don't have 3 squads of Storm Boys and 2 squads of Bikers already.
>>54655126
But I

>>54655135

The former, to me but I only play casually. I have a Word Bearers army and we have what seems by far the shittiest Legion rules but I'm not going to start calling them World Eaters.

>>54655123
Don't reply, just report. Mods ban people for posting that shit as it's a Discord Raid group meme.

>>54654956

So conscripts can shoot 150 shots into the enemy warlord with FRFSRF?

>>54655027
>You mean the most diverse tourney result 40k has had in decades?
7th was "diverse" enough in terms of the lists that saw play. The bad units and the bad lists were REALLY bad, but there was room at the top. Marines had Gladius, Skyhammer, bike spam, space yiffs, Superfriends. Eldar massed scatbikes and spiders for troops but you could choose what you wanted to take as support: WK, Lynx, Hornets, aspect warriors, Dark Eldar, Inquisition, Riptide Wing. Chaos had Tzeentch spam and two types of Rengades spam. Flyrant spam was viable at the start of 7th and GSC was viable at the end. War Convo for AdMech. Tau and Necrons had more than a few things they could try. It was degenerate, but it was still diverse.

>>54655123
Yes you write

Dear Mr Penis-Face,

I am writing to confirm that you have ordered the Shota Korusawa series on the 4th of July, please find attached the legal forms.

Yours Sincerely
(Signature goes
Between these two lines)
Jimmy Saville

But we're writing messages on an image board for God's sake, you don't have to be so formal/ attention whoring as they are on Reddit

>>54654808
Pictures, s'il vous plait.

>>54655145
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-Magnets-6x2-mm-N52-Neodymium-Disc-small-strong-craft-magnet-6mm-dia-x-2mm/162353387918?_trkparms=ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140212121249%26meid%3D7e987c738b5a48e68569179931b0285a%26pid%3D100102%26&_trksid=p3693.c100102.m2452

Enjoy!

>>54655169
Actually 50 conscripts can make 200 shots at 12" with FRFSRF

>>54655169
If you let your warlord within 12" of 50 conscripts you deserve to lose him, but you could tack on a -1 hit roll if you really thought it was a problem.

Also, it's 200 shots.

>>54655183

Well fuck, time to get magnetizing.

>>54655162
>discord raid meme
Is that Kat's discord?
>>54655193
So do people use dice programs for that stuff?

>>54655186
>>54655193

That's not better. Also, IG could just use it on their LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE in their army like Mortars, Missiles, and Lascannons

>>54655056
Where are the lists? I can't find them.

>>54655174
>But we're writing messages on an image board for God's sake
Yeah, so take your spacing autism elsewhere.

>>54655205
You could still figure out ways to balance it. -1 to hit for every six inches you are away from the target, rounded down. Units that arrived from [not the battlefield] cannot use this stratagem on the turn they arrive.

>>54655202
Dice towers and small dice.

>>54655211
They can only be viewed using some phone app that requires a subscription, though apparently there is a 72 hour trial period during which you can view the lists.

http://www.bestcoastpairings.com/

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>>54654145
>why death guard
you know why

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Something the attention whore faggot missed
>>54655217
>salty/autism/current year's insult
Oh so should we just all use trip codes now so we get credit for our OC

>>54655202
No, it's a discord (actually an IRC but they moved to discord) who forced /wst/ threads off here and does general shitposting on the board and in threads. Can't remember the name but somebody leaked the screencap to prove it.

>>54655234
WTF. So FLG is monetizing army lists now?

>>54655238
Autism has been the current year's insult for almost a decade now.

>>54655251
Top cut started doing that like 9 years ago m8, fucking paying to see Pokémon card lists

>>54655238
>Oh so should we just all use trip codes now so we get credit for our OC
Where did you get that idea?
Although if you want to get a trip so you can be filtered by the more reasonable people on /tg/, it will be greatly appreciated.

>>54655251
>Yes that is the intent. The BCP app is the result of over a year of work from 4 dedicated professionals. In order for them to continue to bust their butts giving us a good product, they need to have something that makes it worth their time, which is income. So, if you want access to that part of the service then they ask you pay a very reasonable fee. It is a fair exchange.

Pretty much

>>54655245
>>54655202
Shit sorry, no, the 'reddit spacing' meme was by another group unrelated to /tg/, it just spread to here because people actually believe it. again, report and ignore. He's a phoneposter so it won't matter anyway but anybody who phoneposts is likely a shitposter.

>>54655251
This isn't new, it's just a way for FLGS to get more money.

>oh you wanna win next weeks tourny? Pay $10 to see a list which won in [insert state/county/country] and buy those models, I'll give you a 10% discount if you buy a whole list

tier shit.

>>54655262
He's a phoneposter.

So, what if the Night Lord's tactic was "We come for you!" that prevents outside units from affecting the moral of units within 6" of a Night Lord?

>>54654659
I thought everyone was losing their minds over how OP raven guard were? It's all very confusing.

>>54655266
>>54655274
Well fuck them. That's cancerous behavior.

>>54655286
It would be even shittier.

>>54655296
You can always pirate it like literally every other piece of paywallled information on the internet if you really don't like it.

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thoughts? not 100% done yet but gettin there

>>54655288
because people are fucking idiots and thought it applied to their flyers.

>>54655303
I don't see how to other than BoK or mismatched play. Any advice?

>>54655312
Scrub out the shitty XIV and either get some transfers or a template or gitgud at numerals

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>>54655274
>he's a phoneposter
>>54655286
A weapon to surpass conscript spam

>>54655027
>got faq'd out immediately in record time.
Which for some previous editions meant "at all", as GW doing faqs regularly is by itself fairly new.

>>54655318
Everything that ever got pirated required at least one (1) person to pay for it before it escaped to the internet. It'll be there eventually.

>>54655321
>IMG_0014
>not a phoneposter

wew.

>>54655312
Fix up your freehand. It's really distracting.
The armor itself is fine.
Also clean up the eye.

>>54655320
yeah, i tried to give it a go but it didnt go well, transfers are hard to come buy when you buy sprues from ebay

>>54655101
Just run Nobz and dreads.

Honestly though, having 60+ boyz on the table ain't bad, since they die all the time anyway.

>>54655162
>>54655202
>>54655274
Nah the reddit spacing meme is from /pol/.

>>54655312
Apply highlights
Repaint helm where the blue seeped over
Wash the eyes
Reikland flesh on gold
Get a micro pen to write XIV as it looks like paint ATM
How did you do the helmet colour

>>54655350
Still as cancerous if not more than /pol

>>54655350
Is that why people shout about post formats whenever they're losing an argument (or just want to whine about something that doesn't matter)?

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>Be me 2 years ago,play black legion and red corsair.
>leaks tell that chaos undivided will not have new models,only shitty legion specific,start to think gw hate csm.
>sell everything i have,keeping only heavy converted stuff.
>spend 5k € on HH mechanicum
>be happy

>be me now
>see new index and codex
>shiet.jpg
>time prove me right
>keks.jpg
>keep play HH

>>54655101

D R E A D M O B
R
E
A
D

M
O
B

Every time I get tired of putting so many models down I whip out the walkers. It's even somewhat effective in 8th; Gorkanauts in particular are absolute blenders if they can close the distance. 18 attacks hitting on 3+ at Str 8 Ap-2 and 2 damage each are no laughing matter. I just wish Morkanauts were worth the points by comparison.

Oh, and Kans. Kans are surprisingly nasty. T5 with a 3+ save and FIVE wounds each, swinging at Str 8, Ap-3 and 3 dmg. Sure they're hitting on 5+, but some of those are going to connect and when they do it's going to hurt.

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*Blacks your path*

What do you do?

>>54655367
They use it to shit on people randomly. It's not so much a debate """tactic""" as it is just retard shitposting

Here are the BAO top lists if anyone wants to see them.
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/

2017/08/01/bay-area-open-2017-top-lists-pics/

>>54655352
its just straight up leadbelcher with a nuln oil shade, plus a black stripe along the top ridge, and just cleaned up the eyes now, plan on getting a better alternative for the lettering on the banner, wanted to temp that out for now, and working on the flesh shade also, what would be a good wash for the eyes?

>>54655300

How?

>>54655375
Ask why this Dark Angel doesn't have a plasma pistol

>>54655375
Does those flames make him go faster?

>>54655416
He transformers into a Harley Davidson.

>>54655398
Baal red to make it purple

>>54654001
>"I challange you"
>"that's unfair"
>WHY DID INDEX ACCEPT?

>>54655445
ah damn, don't got no baal red, would druchi violet be any good?

>>54655390
So the top 2 are conscript spam. Big surprise.

That Ynnari list is quite unexpected, though. I thought they'd be better off as full infantry, but I guess hemlocks and fully kitted wave serpents are a thing now.

>>54655400
Because 'not affected by external factors' translates to either a -1 or jack shit for a lot of units, and those that would suffer from it like boyz or conscripts have mechanisms to prevent massive losses from morale. You don't need the commissar for his leadership because you'll only ever lose one guy to morale anyway, no matter if you fail it by 1 or by 17.

>>54655375
I step on your miniature.

>>54655398
>>54655462
Just thin down one of your red paints with water and a bit of dishwashing liquid.

>>54655470

That's the shit in saying is prevented by the tactic, moron.

>>54655372
Nice blog. Also Ded Game.

>>54655390
I wonder how long he'll be able to keep doing this before frontline sends him a C&D.

>>54655483
It does not affect morale by raw. Learn2word, resin huffer.

>>54655496
It went up yesterday. Download the pdfs and upload them to NormieBook. They can't shut it down after that.

>>54655466
>introduce a way to deal with units with lots of models
>make all horde armies immune to it

Whoever did that is a fucking moron.

>>54655375
Virus bomb from orbit.

>>54655470
>>54655498

Instead it reads: "Enemy units within 6" of this unit have -1 Ld and during the moral phase are unaffected by other enemy models."

>>54655514
GIANT
SPACE
FLAMETHROWERS

>>54655455
>konor.jpg

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So now we have an abundance of Mk8 Power Armour, Contemptor Dreads and Tartaros Terminator Armour in plastic I was thinking of doing a Minotaurs army
What would you guys consider the best chapter tactic to use for them?

>>54655528
Living Terror - Enemy units within 6" of this unit:
- are not affected by abilites that would raise their leadership
- are not affected by abilites that would allow them to use an alternative leadership characteristic
- are not affected by abilites that would affect the number of models removed to failed morale tests
- subtract 1 from their leadership

>>54655579
>Contemptor Dreads
>using the abomination of that plastic contemptor for anything other than the base of a leviathan

>>54655512
I remember when geedubs was releasing 8th and they were all like

>Sick I all those morale ignoring rules? >Don't worry m8 we've sorted it out 4 u

Yet here I am wrapping commissars in blobs of Cadians and pretty much ignoring morale.

>>54655579
No please
Buy the FW dreads
They're the same price (Or cheaper for aus at least) as the plastic one, but you get way more detail and pose-ability.

Probably use the salamanders tactic

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>>54655595
It's not that hard to make it look more dynamic

>>54655582
If you're going that far on the Night Lords you'd have to go the distance for every other legion as well, not to mention all the space marine chapter tactics. Letting just one tactic ignore several rules seems a bit excessive.

Would probably be better to make it a stratagem.

>>54655579
>>54655579
>abundance of mk8
I think you mean mk3 anon, and black templars are best RIP AND TEAR chapter so I'd go with them
>>54655595
You do know how to use a bone saw anon right

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>>54655623
I meant the deathwatch kit

>>54655609
Hahahana holy fuck that model is so ugly, every time. I vote it for ugliest model, worse than dreadknight.

>>54655609
This is the FW model
So, not the plastic shitheap GW put out.

>>54655375
That's pretty good

>>54654939

Thanks man thats good advice

>>54655609

Isn't that a resin Contemptor?

>Tzeentch tricking Magnus into destroying Emperor's wards did more damage than any other even in Imperiums history, while also enabling Heresy

How can other Chaos Gods even compete

>m-muh blood
>m-muh plauge
>m-muh sex

kek, more like Chaost Godlets

Does GW sell kits to change my old marines from 25mm to 32mm, as I have 30 berserkers I want to use in an army but they're all old bases

>>54655653
Don't bother. It's not worth the trouble

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>>54655617

>forcing solo moral up close and personal is bad
>ignoring an entire game mechanic like Cover or a blanket to hit penalty is totally fine

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>>54655653

>>54655653
They sell 32mm bases on their own yes.

>>54655657
Ignoring all moral bonuses is much more significant than ignoring cover bonuses. If you fire into a conscript blob while ignoring their cover bonus you'll kill a maybe one or two more. -1 to hit is only a big deal against units already hitting on a 4+ though admittedly is really good. If you negate all of a blob's moral bonuses entirely you're going to fucking annihilate that unit.

God ideas for nids 1000p against orcks and plag marines?