Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for Da Goffs.

Second for Night Lords halve a useless Tactic because moral is fucking joke

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>>54644668
>tfw I live in Iowa and a store opened up near me recently too
>I know where you are anon

I use Game Color from Vallejo and a couple of Citadels

Whistle goes, Angron leaps at whoever is closest screaming wildly, Perturabo lunges for Dorn because he detests that guy, Corax uses his ability to fade from all forms of sensory perception and vanishes, Magnus starts blowing people up with his ridiculous psychic powers, and everyone else teams up on Magnus because basic survival instincts.

Some random member of the group Magnus didn't kill before going down, probably Fulgrim, Angron, Russ, Sanguinius or Horus, comes out of the brawl battered and bruised, then faces down Vulkan at which point Corax reappears and shivs whoever was winning.

Corax and Vulkan then acknowledge neither Can kill the other, and declare a draw

Repostin to help anon

>>54644721 #
Then devs are definitely a good option, as are sterngaurd or termies, for all those bolter shots. You'll also want some good melee units, I'd suggest either Ass cents or TH+SS termies, sine their both good and fluffy for the fists

Also, konor will not fall

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You guys think we'll see any options for Renegade Guard in the new chaos codex?

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>>54644760
UNTIL WEAPONIZED YOU WILL SEE FOOL!!!

Third for even Horus knows chaos primarchs a shit

>Strange is it not, that so many I wish beside me stand against me, while at my back are only the flawed and damaged. I am a master of broken monsters… I cannot control them or their sons, and they know it… They all know that this war is no longer something that can be guided, only ridden out. But they never understood me, not truly, and they understand less with each passing second. They doubt. They think that I have lost my way. I can see it in their hearts — the pettiness, the pride, the seeds of ruin driving them on, feeding the tempest. With such creatures must I remake the future!”

Alpha legion trait yay or nay

>>54644724

Not even in Gravis and he still has the beer belly

>>54644760
At least they're not the Word Bearers.

>>54644770
No chance whatsoever. Unless you want to ally Cultists.

>>54644760
Do we know what happens when an attribute hits 0 this edition? Can the Night Lords literally scare units to death?

>>54644774

Well maybe you shouldn't have joined Lorgar's shitty failure brigade then, even if he promised you could drive.

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I asked in the last thread but never got a response. How do you think this glow effect was achieved?

>>54644774

Some he wanted Sang, probably Lion, and maybe Guilliman on his team instead of all the actual traitors
lel

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FIRST FOR THE TRUTH!

If this gets dubs, we'll have good rules this edition!

1 v 1 (psychic powers allowed)
1 Horus
2 Sanguinius
3 Angron
4 Fulgrim
5 Khan
6/7/8 ( not in order). Curze, Russ, Lion
9 Vulkan
10 Dorn
11 Corax
12 Mortarion
13 Guilliman
14 who cares past this point
.
.
18 Sigismund
19 Pre Chaos Lorgar

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>>54644820

>>54644805

>Unironically liking can't colour inside the lines glow effects

>>54644805
Airbrush or carefule drybrushing. Blue then lighter blue then lighter blue then white

>>54644820
That ship has sailed.

>>54644820
>first
>16th
Kek, leave it to lorgar to do nothing right

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>>54644779
It's photoshopped

>>54644770
0% chance

It's FWs domain and they won't be releasing "full codex" this year or next. Index is what we got.

Proxy IG instead

>>54644822
Sorry I meant psychic powers not allowed.

>>54644828
Not airbrush.
Definitely drybrushing.

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>>54644820
>can't do anything right

what's the best way to arm chimeras this edition?

Multi-laser, heavy bolter, twin heavy bolter or autocannon ?

>>54644770
No, but you will be getting your own codex later.

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Name my Hive Fleet, continued from /WIP/

>>54644805
Airbrush

>>54644769
Thanks anon.

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>>54644770
No. Renegade Guard are Forge World. Renegade Space Marines will be Games Workshop.

Also, Guard conscript spam needs nerfed a little, but other than that they aren't really that overpowered. Hopefully GW realizes this and doesn't completely fuck them over with a bum codex like in 7th.

Who the fuck thought those iron warriors rules were a good idea?

>>54644857
Hivefleet AAAAAHHHRRRGGG

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On behalf of Chaosfags around the world I would like to thank the Xenos players for keeping us in the race against the Imperium.

>>54644857
What's the basic fluff for them?

So based on the leaks, it seems Emperor's Children are pretty much trash, being just above Word Bearers, and World Eaters giving Zerkers +1A and 3 fight phases should put them into the top tier of CSM.

Slaanesh appears to be getting the "we'll pay you less and less until you stop showing up" treatment.

>>54644847
>Codex: Renegade Guard
>More spikes and worse than Guard
>Primaris Guardsmen a year later

>>54644642
>4 squads of devs with 1 lascannon each is harder to kill
but you waste more points on marines who do nothing but babysit the lascannon

>>54644693
some context: i have a set of deepstrikers who can bring the pain (GC devs + Kantor + terminators) but I need to soften up enemy mech before I come down. the backfield units have the dual purpose of doing either that and/or advancing midfield. combi-plasma might be useful in threatening advancing forces, particularly skimmers.

i agree that a full unit that reaches my backline means trouble but if the unit has been weakened when it arrives there (or by the first tactical squad), a power axe can make a difference.

that's why I am unsure whether to keep the sarge as cheap as possible or whether an upgrade might be worth it. (conversely, a combi-plasma means deploying as far forward as possible to cover the mdifield with it, exposing the unit potentially to more enemy fire)

it's really hard to tell for me if it's useful or not.

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Maybe found a solution for the Redemptor Dread's beer gut issue

We all know the carapace beer gut thing looks crap, and though it looks much cooler with the sarcophagus showing, it leaves a big shitty gap that looks really bad.

Here's how I've dealt with it

>>54644766
> better repost so people can see MAH awesome animu grrrrl post!!!1!
Get the fuck out

>>54644857
Czernobog

>>54644789
Nothing happens beyond what is usually related to the stat.

Move zero = immobilized autohits
Lead zero = guaranteed moral damage on model loss

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>>54644787
>>54644835
I figured, but heretics need their pipe dreams.

>>54644892
Heretics and Renegades and Chads.

>>54644859
Welcome, good luck son of Dorn

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>>54644909

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>>54644774
Horus never wanted Angron, he was at best a useful tool and not his enemy. This bit where he tries to kill Angron is my favorite part of Isstvaan.

>>54644857
Hive Fleet Xanthus

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>>54644892
FW really fucked up with Renegades. Before their WHOLE shtick was having units at base that were worse than the Guard equivalent, but 1000x more customizable. Now they cut the customization so Ren are just left with the shit units. Basically the only reason to take them is if you want a Baneblade in your Chaos army.

>>54644844
Suicide flamers and charge bait>>54644847

>>54644857
Hivefleet Zoth-Ommog

>>54644847
No full fw codex has been confirmed from fw

>>54644891
Going first in combat universally is huge. Children are fine.

>>54644835
GW did have the Lost and the Damned list back in the day for traitor Guard. They could very well do some list like that. Not in Codex: CSM, of course.

Release a cultist kit with some options, use the poxwalkers, tzaangor and other units in it. And make a GSC type sprue for Guard. It doesn't have to be an extensive list, just a GSC style thing, but for Chaos.

can a detachment of space marines use chapter tactics if the army includes a non astartes detachment as well?

>>54644969
Not universally you still have to alternate if you get charged you retardef faggot.

>>54644908

It's weird that you fixed the beergut but not the more pressing issue of the limbs being mismatched to the bulky body.

>>54644833
why the fuck do chadmarines get so much plasma

Will World Eaters get good rules?

>>54644891
"TSons", meaning Magnus with two Knights and bunch of fodder, seems to be best Chaos strat.

Magnus seems to be strongest Chaos unit in this edition as well. It remains to be seen if Morty can reach the same status.

>>54644908
I dunno, this solution feels kinda weird too. Maybe just stuff an ammo box or some plasticard in there.

>>54644724
WHAT WEAPON IPTIONS ARE MISSING FROM THE HIVE TYRANT KID

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>man all the FW knights are kind of weak-
>porphyrion will kill any non-titanic non-quantum shielding vehicle in the game in one round of shooting on average
>nearly half the cost of a warhound
>4+ invul, T9, 30 wounds

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>>54644979
Yep, so long as the whole army is battleforged.

>>54644860
Scions, cheap lascannons, hw teams, ratings, safe first turn charges with ogryns, manticores, T8 heavyflamerspam orders, stormlord, anything guard FW,

I'd go on but if that random little blurb of op guardstuff was my armylist I'd already be fucking you turn 2 anyway. Why bother.

>>54645000
I'll answer that question with another:

Will any chaos legion REALLY be good?

>>54644984
That's still universal since you're still striking before non charge units. It's a powerful ability to hand out free of cost.

>>54644872
On behalf of the Tau and my Gue'vesa, you're welcome.

>>54644929
noone really wanted Angron. Best thing the Emperor could have done would have been to let him die on Nuceria

>>54645025
thank you.

does this hold true for stratagems and warlord traits?

>>54645014
I believe the levithan survives even if the knight takes the two lascannons

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>>54644872
Your welcome on behalf of good ol' wholesome American DE!

>>54644970
Fw released the RENEGADE index because gw enforced "you will be able to use any model day 1"

There is nothing stating they'll put any effort in making codex work. However they're not afraid to say that 30k is their focus this and next year

>>54645035
not everything good is OP.
having trash and op being the only possible options is stupid.

>>54644881
Nothing much other than they are cold-adapted

>>54644961
No, Anon. GW codex.

>>54645121
How about Amarok?

>>54645109
Seeing that GW has been working on smaller forces, like Genestealer Cultists, there's no definitive way of saying "they'll never do Chaos Guard codex." Not anytime soon, that's fucking sure. They'll be reworking their existing codexes into 8e for some time.

>>54645117
You can choose any two of the random-ass units I spit out and win against any non-ig "allcommer" index list on the planet.

In the realm of index armies IG is "good" when you try hard to lose and "OP" when you're picking good units and spamming them with a few blobs.

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>>54644908
Posting hopefully the right way around this time

>>54644997
I like them. Stood next to the plastic Venerable, it makes it look pathetic

>>54645003
What seems off to you?

>>54645025
>Servitors are lobotomized and do not gain a Chapter Tactic.
I object, Iron Hands are even MORE likely to replace significant parts of a servitor's shitty flesh with metal

>>54645139
GW won't release FW specific stuff this decade.
>>54645165

Genestealer cults has historically been a gw product. Not fw. Unrelated.

>>54644857
Hive Fleet Ticonderoga

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How much of your army is painted?

>>54645184
LOL he plays ironhands.

Enjoy your shitty relic and tactics.

LOL YOU CAN CHOOSE ONE VEHICLE TO FIRE WITHOUT -1 FOR 1cp

>>54645208
Not a lot!

>>54645099
>metal heads and manchildren hate authority figures
Who fucking knew?

>>54645099

I hope we get some overall stats for Xenos
This is a little silly

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Bump because /wipg/ 404'd
>>54643152
>>54643172

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>>54645084
If I'm reading this correctly, to get the stratagem you need a "space marine" detachment, so presumably a mixed one doesn't count. But seems that if you meet the criteria for chapter tactics, you'll get the stratagems too.

Warlord traits just require the warlord to be a space marine, amazingly enough. Relics require your warlord to be a space marine (so I think a marine detachment in an army with an IG warlord, say, couldn't take a marine relic).

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>>54645193
You fucking what, mate? 2003 GW released rules for The Lost and the Damned.

>>54644933
>>54645109
At least the minis kick ass. Look great in my mix bag units of cultists.

>>54644724
I like how he has a cybernetic hand, considering his choice of side arm and all.

>>54645287
>This decade
>2003.
Are you a time traveler or just retarded?

I got myself First Strike starter box and I tried to figure out how to expand it into playable army.

Buy another First Strike or buy either Know No Fear or Dark Imperium?

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So are CSM any good this edition? My choice of army will probably come down to that, since I can't decide between WB, Deldar, and daemons of Khorne

>>54645193
Like Horus Heresy mate?

>>54645213
Some people play for fluff and not to project how much of an insufferable faggot they are.
I'm sure this is a difficult concept for you to understand, so feel free to reply with autism so we can help you work through this revelation.

>>54644767
>No psychic powers
>Magnus uses psychic powers
I wouldn't have had to call you a retard if you didn't repost this

>>54644724
would be cool if that wasnt a shoop

>>54645332
Chaos Guard is not, NOT, FW specific stuff. They do not have any claim to it. Just like with Genestealer Cults, GW has made rules for them before and there's nothing, NOTHING, preventing them from making rules for them again in the future. We already got rules for Genestealer Cultists and Harlequins, who factions that previously have had WD published rules pamphlets.

>>54645193
>GW won't release FW specific stuff this decade.

Technically the HH box sets, Custodes, SoS and Shadow War: Armageddon are made by the Forgeworld team in charge of specialist games. So yeah, GW has already released 'FW' products, it really doesnt matter since its all the same company.

>>54645258
If every faction was written in at once people would bitch about that. It'd be cool if a particular faction really showed out they got a little fluff mention though.

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>>54645208
Literally just one piece from my Maulerfiend. Waiting for the legion rules to come out so that i can decide what colours to paint my models with. The wait is fucking killing me!

Why would xenos want chaos to win.

>>54645388
Guys he's repeating himself for emphasis, EMPHASIS

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>>54645208
Nearly all of it
Painting a valkyrie atm

>>54645400
I just need to see WB and WE to decide now if I'm playing chaos. I want to enjoy how my chosen army fights

>>54645373
>Expecting Magnus to follow a "No Psychic Powers" rule


A-Anon... I don't know how to tell you.

>>54645408
The imperium tries to kill them by choice. Chaos wants to kill everything like a force of nature. It's the difference between
"Pfft nothing personal kid."
And
"My dad told me to kill you because your funny looking."

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>>54645408
They probably view it as the only way to really influence the event in one way or the other. Otherwise Imperium would win anyways.

That said, I would give my points to the Imperium because the biggest shitlords I've met are chaos players.

>>54644770
Highly unlikely. If they did it would probably be something equivalent to the GSC Brood Brothers rule.

>>54645408
Depends on the race. Orks and DEldar don't care which side wins - the Orks want a good fight and the DEldar are likely just coming in and taking whatever's not bolted down before leaving. Regular Eldar, Tau and Necrons might just want the Imperium to lose influence in that sector to make their lives easier. Tyranids just wanna eat everything.

>>54645174

>A Redemptor looks pathetic next to the plastic venerable

I couldn't agree more.

>>54645000
See: >>54644891

>>54645009
Did you mean to say "what weapon options are missing from the hive tyrant kit?"

If so, rending claws, devourers and deathspitters.

>>54645208
For Orks specifcally about 180 models painted to 35 unpainted.

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>>54645546

>>54645556
Different anon, but does that imply WB and WE are getting shit on?

>>54645533
>DEldar don't care which side wins

I could see DEldar excited that Chaos is attacking, allowing certain worlds that were too heavily defended to be pillaged and raided.

>And the more Chaos wins the more the Imperium redirects their defenses, making new targets be available.

>>54645174
legs need more t h i c c

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Question: Is this done with an airbrush or can you just use regular brushes?

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>>54645208

I try to assemble and paint asap. I mean, I don't have anything else to do rn outside of work. So I just wanna get shit done asap. I love doing it too, so that helps.

This is one of my DG models for my warband that I got splitting Know No Fear with a friend. I feel like I'm bad at taking pics of minis still.

>>54645618
I would guess its done by brush, judging by the paint blotches on the base.

>>54644724
Alright hear me out. I really want to play Deathwatch because it looks really fun and x-com like to me but I don't really fuck with them. So I was thinking about homebrewing my chapter.
Since I already play Ordo Malleus Inquisition, I was thinking about how DW was founded by the Inquisition to fight Xenos and so they're really close.
Well, Koorland was pretty close to the Inq during the coup so I thought the Ordo Malleus might have gotten a chapter too, but instead of gathering starts from everywhere, they started from Imperial Fists geneseed. I don't really want them to be too much of a special snowflake, would this be too much? Would I look like some edgy kid with super powerful marines with no background?

>>54645388
>citing 2003 as precedence for traitor guard
lel, newfag

that said, I agree with you. the lost and the damned are fair game

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>>54645400
>Post 1 (ONE) Bob Ross picture
>Suddenly youtube is recommending me hour long Bob Ross videos

>>54645652
Just go with Grey Knights, they're already Ordo Malleus space marines.

Other than that, just have a chapter of hard fighting imperial fist successors that do well against daemons, so they have good ties with the Inquisition.

Kinda like the Exorcists.

>>54645596
I'd say that other anon doesn't see the value 170 for 90x S6 AP-1, 10x S5 AP0 attacks with only 10 models for some reason. This is on the charge so the 2 fights base +bonus fight stratagem all go before any other combatants. First strikers alternate in after the first charge.

You could cheese the list by buffing them with a sorcerer or lord, but then you're putting too many points into it. It's really powerful.

>>54645618
You get a smoother result if you use an airbrush, but it's totally possible with a brush. If you want to keep the metal a bit shinier, substitute watered-down gemstone colours (Soulstone Blue and Waystone Green) for the glazes.

>>54645682
I don't really like grey knights either.. I mean I do but on the tabletop I always prefer to have my own chapters, clan and whatever, idk why. But yeah your idea is nice too, I like it.


Oh well, dubs choose the chapter's name.

>>54645274
awesome. thanks

>>54645652
if you do a good paint job, it will gloss over any weak fluff

>>54645652
Sounds pretty snowflake to me. Also, the Ordo Malleus did get a chapter: Grey Knights.

Don't quite get what you mean by "I don't really fuck with them" either? If they look fun why not just play Deathwatch?

>>54645699
Silver Stallions

>>54645712
Well, I like how they play but not their chapter, that's it.

>>54645699
Red Hunters are an Inqusition aligned chapter.

Exorcists too in some degree.

>>54645599

This is exactly what my Dark Eldar are doing. They're jokingly calling themselves the People's Liberation of Konor and ensure safety from the dark gods. They're just raiding the shit out of imperial citizens during the fighting.

>>54645699
Deathwatch.

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>>54645699
>implying you can't individualize your Grey Knights

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>>54645699
KAYOS WHERSHIPPERS

>>54645699
Crimson Ruination

>>54645731
Deathwatch is already an organization used to combat xenos.

>>54645722
>Marines of almost any chapter can join the Deathwatch
>I dont like the chapter
???

>>54645744
Oh boy. Alright then lmfao

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>>54645744

I wonder what releases this year after DG
I know Orks and Tau might get stuff but this year or another I dunno
More Primaris shit?

>>54645747
>The point
>You.

>>54645699
The Noun Verbers

So I was fucking around with the idea of a dreadnought army, but apart from picking what I think looks cool I've not much input on how good a job it'd do. Any particularly glaring issues or modifications that could be done with is? Also, Is the Mad Cat's autocannons one weapon or two seperate ones?

SPEARHEAD DETACHMENT
Ven. Chaplain Dreadnought with Inferno Cannon and CCW/bolter = 197pts
Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought with twin multi-Meltas = 160pts
Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought with twin multi-Meltas = 160pts
Leviethan Dreadnought with two Grav-flux Bombards = 309pts
VANGUARD DETACHMENT
Techmarine with Conversion Beamer and Power Maul = 69pts
Contemptor Dreadnought with Kheres Assault Cannon and CCW/Bolter = 165pts
Contemptor Dreadnought with Kheres Assault Cannon and CCW/Bolter = 165pts
Ironclad Dreadnought with Hurricane Bolter, Chainfist and Assault Launchers = 147pts
Redemptor Dreadnought with Onslaught Gatling Cannons = 198pts
Redemptor Dreadnought with Onslaught Gatling Cannons = 198pts
Relic Deredeo Dreadnought with Autocannon battery, missile launcher = 232pts

>>54645652
Nobody cares or wants to hear about this kind of dumb crap. Ever. The probability of you ever even having a conversation with another player about the lore of your custom chapter is low and the shit you came up with would just make them cringe anyway.

If you want to do an unusual paint job that's great, but giving excessive thought to making up special snowflake lore that is totally irrelevant to everyone is pointless.

>>54645748
Yeah dude idk how to explain it and I swear to god that makes me look REALLY autistic but I can't play marines if they're not a chapter made up by me. Playing an already existing chapter pretty much forces me to paint it with his right colors and even if I wanted to play pure Deathwatch I'd have to play marines from already existing chapters.
That's really all there is, I want my own chapter to field alongside my inquisition/scions and both DW and GK aren't customizable enough for me.

>>54645744
Just as planned.

>>54645761

>10 codexes by end of year
>count the number of Marine codexes
>Space Marines
>Grey Knights
>Deathwatch
>Blood Angles
>Dark Angels
>Space Wolves
>Chaos Marines
>Death Guard
>Thousand Sons

We get ONE non-marine Codex this year, which will probably be Orks do they can re-release the new SC! box that was taken down

>>54645773
>techmarine

>>54645776
Eh, I have no idea where you play but at our store there's definitely some people who like to write down their own fluff. Not that common and won't probably tell this shit to someone I meet at a tournament but between friends there's nothing wrong with having some bg written for your dudes.

>>54645761
All the Primaris shit should be in the codex, unless they keep putting out new models that come with their own data sheets.

It'll probably be more Imperial stuff, so everything that isn't space marines and maybe Custodes and Sisters thrown in to balance it out with them being so small.

Then we'll move onto the next important faction, Eldar.

>>54645797
I needed a second HQ somewhere to unlock the Vanguard detachment.

>>54645208
85% of my infantry but only 30% of my motor pool.

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Are nids super expensive to start playing? Ever since I heard about 40k, I loved the bugs. Now that I can actually afford the game ($200 cad), and nids aren't appearantly god awful, I'm tempted to start with either them are dark eldar (another old favorite)

>>54645779
I sort of get what you mean, but
>if I wanted to play pure Deathwatch I'd have to play marines from already existing chapters.
is wrong, you could have deathwatch marines from custom chapters.

But anyway its your choice at the end of the day.

You are sounding nuts though.

>>54645812
Depends on if you want to have a large amount of tiny guys, which works great, or giant bugs.

>>54645779
I was tossing around the idea of a Deathwatch army but didn't want to do the DW scheme so I just went "Oh they're like a super secret non-codex formation my chapter master commissioned". You could even just say they're one of these strike forces we hear about but never actually get represented on table, as the game is bigger than the usual scale Space Marines operate at.

>>54645793
if the ITK anon is correct, and he did get it right till now aside from dates, we should have guard and nid by end of year. I doubt it though, think I heard GW say 2018 was the 'year of the xeno'

>>54645773
>SPEARHEAD DETACHMENT
>Ven. Chaplain Dreadnought with Inferno Cannon and CCW/bolter = 197pts

Well, it's gonna take you time to get in range with that, so an assault cannon might be better but okay.

>Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought with twin multi-Meltas = 160pts
>Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought with twin multi-Meltas = 160pts

Augh! Why! Too weak! No!
>Leviethan Dreadnought with two Grav-flux Bombards = 309pts

Too strong! People will call you a WAACfag for this model despite your shitty choice in Mortis dreads! Just one bombard to a model please!

>VANGUARD DETACHMENT
>Techmarine with Conversion Beamer and Power Maul = 69pts

Yeah okay, works. Can hang back with your ranged shit, Beamer keeps him cheap but useful.

>Contemptor Dreadnought with Kheres Assault Cannon and CCW/Bolter = 165pts
>Contemptor Dreadnought with Kheres Assault Cannon and CCW/Bolter = 165pts

Decent. Ass cannons are important in a dread list for horde work.

>Ironclad Dreadnought with Hurricane Bolter, Chainfist and Assault Launchers = 147pts

Yeah, that's the best way to run this model.

>Redemptor Dreadnought with Onslaught Gatling Cannons = 198pts
>Redemptor Dreadnought with Onslaught Gatling Cannons = 198pts

202 each actually. You could do better than this in efficiency or versatility, two seems kinda a waste.

>Relic Deredeo Dreadnought with Autocannon battery, missile launcher = 232pts

Yeah sure. You could actually do with more Autocannons. Maybe on the Melta dudes? You're also a bit short on punching for a dread army, a siege drill would be a good way to help your army's flexibility and be less WAAC about the Grav bombards at the same time.

Can someone post on the GW facebook page asking them to update their fucking official errata websites? Both https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata and http://www.warhammerdigital.com/Home/Faqs.html have not been updated with the 1.1 errata and FAQs

Cover saves now give -1 damage received to a minimum of 1. Does this make cover relevant?

>>54644857
Hive Splinter: Nid Nog

>>54645812
Well, pick up thirty Termagants on Ebay, then get a Tervigon and an Exocrine. This gets you most of the way to 1000 points on the cheap. There are a lot of ways to make a cheap Tyranid army, but also a lot of expensive honey traps like Zoanthropes, which end up being extremely expensive to field a useable unit of. Basically, play Troops and Monsters and get the rest in small quantities and you end up with a pretty cheap army by 40k standards.

>>54645895
The fuck are you talking about?

>>54645872
Cool, this is exactly what I was looking for. Do you think I should drop a redemptor for something else? Putting a Siege Drill on the Leviathan and putting twin autocannons on the Mortis dreads (I only had multi-meltas out of point restraints) mean I need to shed 42 points currently.

>>54644827
Light is well known for staying in neat, orderly lines. It never bends, especially around corners or small gaps.

>>54645793
It should be alternating Imperium and non-imperium. GKs and CSM will be releases at the same time, DG will get as many models as the primaris stuff now, which will fill out this month.
After that probably a loyalist dex, TS and we are through with Chaos Marines.
That is just about halve. The rest could be basically any other faction.

And because we know that there will be AoS stuff and there aren't enough weeks left these year we will have more double releases with no new minis.

>>54645895
Sure why not.

Issue is that its almost impossible to get cover as a vehicle.

>>54644857
Hive Fleet NPC

Anyone has the leaked release dates? Did we get any confirmation?

>>54645919
Are you retarded? You take a wound from a weapon that deals 3 damage. Cover would reduce it to two.

>>54645744
lmao

>>54645877
Why don't you do it?

>>54645895
Hello, person who clearly has never played a game of 8th edition before.

1) No, it would not, since most models likely to be affected by cover in the game still only have 1 Wound, so it would do fuck-all for them.

2) It in no way makes it harder to actually get your units to benefit from cover.

3) Fuck off, the cover bonus is very relevant when it applies. GETTING it to apply is the problem.

The one thing to "fix" about cover is to bring back intervening terrain again.

>>54645333
Dark Imperium is a pretty solid way of doing so but check if you can get the models you need without dropping a tonne for the box

>>54644820
Fucking pussy starting shit he can't finish.

>>54645977
So, in other words, only multi-wound models benefit from it, and only against ranged weapons that deal more than 1 Dmg. Get out of the trenches, Guardsmen, that's where our tanks go.

>>54644857
Hive Fleet Nahtaivel

>>54645977
Woah, so you only take double your wounds in damage, not triple. What a godsend! How didn't we see this before?!

>>54645793
>We get ONE non-marine Codex this year, which will probably be Orks

My guess is Aeldari.

>>54644857
Love the way you're rocking the old Tyrant.

Hive Fleet Euryale

>>54645895
That makes it even less relevant you tool

>>54646012
Cover seems almost pointless and I'm just throwing stuff out there that would make it a bit better.
>>54646020
Unlike this faggot that isn't contributing anything meaningful.

>>54645208
For my main army, at least 90% but I started them first. For my Orks, I'd say a little more than half. For my other two armies they're about 50% and 0% but they're smaller than my other armies.

So what are your thoughts on IW's tactics?

I'm pretty underwhelmed. Also, how often will one be trying to destroy buildings anyway?

>>54645994
>The one thing to "fix" about cover is to bring back intervening terrain again.

I'd like:
>If at any point the target is 50% obscured you get cover regardless of being in terrain

>If at any point after removing a casuality the shooter can no longer see the target all remaining Wounds are discarded.

>>54646063
Your idea is still making cover even worse and is as meaningful as me farting on last years snow.

Sry to bring this to you and hurting your feefees over it. Don't block me on twitter over it.

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dubs decides the nickname for this guy.

The Khorne stratagem is overrated as fuck. What the fuck could possibly survive the regular two fights that a third one would make a difference against?

3 CPs? I'd rather spend them on VotLW.

>>54646063
Throwing out ideas without the first thought put into them isn't contributing. It's just clutter that does nothing but waste time as people take the piss out of the idiocy required to genuinely believe that the idea was sound.

>>54646116
Fluffy

>>54646110
>don't block me on twitter over it
I bet that sounded funnier in your head.

>>54646066
GW might come up with a reason to destroy buildings.
Just fucking with you. It's useless.

>>54646063
>I'm contributing something meaningful
>Like making a perfectly acceptable gameplay feature worse under the guise of improving it
Yeah, doing a real stellar job of it too, fagtron.

Here's a suggestion: Make cover a To Hit modifier. There, poof, done. Now it's useful. I mean yeah, the autists will now screech about shooting an enemy hiding in shrubbery makes their plasma explode more often, but you can't have everything, right?

>>54646116
Big guy.

>>54645208
I dunno the percentages.

8/12 Tanks
90/120 Infantry
10/15 Special weapons
3/15 Heavy weapons
3/4 Sentinels
0/1 Flyer
4/8 Bullgryn
0/24 Ministorum units
2/8 Special characters and leaders

Spent so much time kitbashing, building and priming the past few months. Finally onto the paint phase.

>>54646116
CIA

>>54646116
Tidus

>>54646144
Winner winner chicken dinner

>>54645992
I don't use facebook because I am not a colossal faggot.

>>54646132
>shooting an enemy hiding in shrubbery makes their plasma explode more ofte
Plasma Overheating really should have been on a Roll of a 1 (before applying modifiers), not after modifiers

>>54646122
A unit? No.

Multi charge? Great.

If your enemy is a retard and place stuff within 3" of themselves, you can pile in 3 times and just move on after each kill.

>>54646129
Not really. Just contributing with great ideas and getting all millenial about it if nobody likes it.

>>54646144
Well shit, that was more boring than I expected

>>54646129
Actually, it sounds perfectly appropriate considering how shitter shattered you are because your "suggestion" was laughable bullshit that tried to fix what isn't broken and people called you on it.

>>54644749
You my Runtherder

Why did GW make IW/IF tactics so useless and irrelevant? Why are they pretending cover still even exists?

>>54646164
It would be easier to understand you if you didn't talk like some faggot trying to be edgy.

>>54646181
because it's fluffy

>>54644891
Do death gaurd have a reason to buy csm codex?????

>>54645920

Hmm... You could maybe do with a lascannon dread?

>>54646159
No, you're an edgy autist

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Could someone remind me what the transport capacity for the Repulsor is?

Isn't it 10 primaris or 5 gravis?

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>>54645618
MiG warhead metalic blue.

>>54646191
No

>>54646161
>your enemy has to be retarded for this to work
I rest my case. If only it worked on non-berzerkers.

>>54646171
I never got butt hurt over it. If the ideas shit so be it. But to lie and say I'm upset is laughable.

>>54646202
yep

>>54646160
Eh, I think it's alright. After all, with the new Plasma rules you can always choose to use the profile that doesn't blow up in your face, so in case you think it's too risky, you can just fire in the normal mode.

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>>54646116
Your choice, friendo.

>>54644913
Not the owner of the army, but I'd definitely go with this one.

Mayhaps Hivefleet Saskatchewan

>>54646122
Well, if you have a set of shitty rolls/your opponent is making saves like a mad cunt, and you do considerably less damage than the mathhammer suggests, you could use the stratagem to try and make up for it. But, if you do plenty of damage with your first two rounds, you can keep your CP in your pocket. You dig?

>>54646202

What does this hot mess Bradley thing cost compared to a Land Raider?

>>54646189
That's the joke fagtard

>>54646129
>salty boi

>>54646259
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>54646246
210 base and around 340 with the most expensive weapons.

It's also their TRANSPORT.

>>54646202
>Rhinos can't carry primaris
>Repulsors cant carry marinelets
>they have the exact same size door

How are Genestealer Cults?

>>54646277
Clearly the primaris transport doesn't have kiddy seats

>>54646202
Wait. Wait, wait, wait a god damn minute. Those side missile turrets have an option for storm bolters as well? I thought they were some defensive chaff-launchers or something.

Just how many guns that thing have?

>>54645208

3000 points of templars painted bar a centurion squad

>>54646301
I believe it comes with 9, and they're a mix of anti infantry, vehicle, and air.

>>54646277
Let's see:
>Allow numarines, marines specifically created to get people to replace their old marine armies from shame of manlet syndrome, to use existing, market flooded vehicles, OR:
>Make new expensive land raider, market it as the only possible transport, making its in game value skyrocket as the only way to get your important dudes to a place, THEN:
>later, release a cheaper, less armed/armored rhino/razorback equivilent, intended to be bought in mass.

GEE

anyone know where I can get Horus Rising or the Horus Heresy Audiobooks?

torrents aren't seeding

>>54644998
because plasma was a dieing craft and then gorill man said give me all the teck so there is now a resurgence of imperial plasma

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>>54646353
This desu

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All my paintjobs come out thicc.

Fuck it. Maybe this is just my limit

>>54646116
Slab Rockhard

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>>54644724
>Xenos are fighting to make this guy win

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You guys started on your Armies on Parade boards yet?

>>54646275

Yeah who cares about it being a transport so is the raider.

The key thing is: It's less expensive, but has more guns and can fly?

>>54646402
Seems like an alright guy that I have no knowledge of! :)

>>54646402
>taking pictures of random people and posting them on the internet without their knowledge

Truly the Imperials are the best faction, filled with great people.

>>54646192
Taking a common or garden Dreadnought with CCW and Twin Lascannon leaves me at 6(!) points over budget for 2k. While I'm sure most people probably wouldn't mind that casually or if using Power(And I don't play serious) would you suggest taking anything else off to drop the cost a little more?

>>54646367

Black library

>>54646424
>Yeah who cares about it being a transport so is the raider.

But the Land Raider takes up a Heavy Support slot and the Repulsor does not ;^)

>>54645779
>>54645722
>>54645652
This is the dumbest Anon I've encountered all thread.

Where the fuck do you spergs crawl from?

>>54646289
After the lastest FAQ... pretty bad.

Only beeing able to use Cult Ambush for 50% of your army forces you have to put the rest of your points into stuff that don't die right away.
Which is pretty hard to do if you think about the fact that everything except some vehicles have a 5+ armour save.
And playing without CA is basically playing a worse version of AM without orders etc.

Not the worse army ever but it's really hard to get into them if you don't know exactly what you are doing. Wouldn't recommend at this point.

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Can't find /WIPG/ guys, how would you recreate this tan armour panel colour? No airbrush.

Tried various combinations of Zandri Dust/Zameesi Desert/Tau Light Ochre, but those are too dark and too yellow. Ideas?

>>54646353
>implying transports are as important as they used to be after the price hike
>implying anything but Flamer-Aggressors even needs transports to function

>>54644724
>ironlets on suicide watch edition

I hope this isn't meant to mean chaos.
>2+ armour save on daemon princes
>6" fearless bubble on warlord for cultist blobs
>No cover saves allowed

People like this are what makes people think chaos are whiny babies.

>>54646300
>seats in your transport
wasting space that could be used for power/ammo sources for more guns desu

>>54646353
i know why they've done it, just tickled me for some reason

What would go down if The Omnissiah started manifesting in the warp and started actually doing stuff?

>>54645208
Everything but one Dragoon and my Dominus but the Dominus is still a WIP so I don't really count it.

>>54646523
>daemon princes
>cultist blobs

Nigga that's Word Bearers, not Iron Warriors.

They should have had something to do with guns or something. Like, ignoring the -1 to hit on heavy weapons or something.

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>>54645848
Honestly, I'm fine with a bunch of little dudes, with a few big dudes.

>>54645905
I was hoping to pick them up in store tomorrow. I've got $200 cad. What's my best start?

>>54646548
The Dragon of Mars doesn't need to go into the warp.

>>54646548
Well he's chained to mars so can't

Can a chaos terminator lord carry two fucking combis?

>>54646560
IW DPs can take wargear that gives them a 2+ save and they recover a wound per turn.

>>54646066

>The legion rule

Decent enough if kinda boring, good for digging out entrenched objective squatters. I have never seen anyone bring a building as part of a list, and with the IF/IW traits being known now if they're present in your local meta I doubt you will now.

>Relic

I'm dubious. 2+ armour is great for a jump pack lord, mounted lord, daemon prince or sorcerers, none of which really fit the IW theme, so you're really getting it to regen wounds on your warpsmith or terminator lord. At least its free unlike...

>Stratagem

You pay 1cp to get a 1/6 chance to ignore wounds for one unit for one phase, something the Iron Hands do on all their units every phase, and which a slaaneshi sorcerer can cast on one of their units and have it last till the end of the next psychic phase, but theirs is a 1/3 chance. Really kind of a let down.

>Warlord trait

The faction focus hints at CSM being better in close combat, whether that's an illusion to the DttFE rule or the fact that everyone can exchange their bolter for a chainsword (but not take on in addition like editions past) I don't know, which if true this could have some utility escorting big blobs of shooty and punchy CSM forward to storm enemy positions.

Overall kind of a disappointment. More disheartening is the complete omission of obliterators from the post, when last edition IW were the obliterator legion, with obliterators as troops who were better then everyone elses because of their (minor) durability boost and bonuses to breaking shit. So chances are the roll 3 dice guns are here to stay and GW marketing couldn't bring themselves to hype them up.

On the bright side IW players are probably happy, because now they have something to complain about.

>>54646577
What? No

>>54646560
Iron Warriors are known for using Cultists as cannon fodder to clear minefields and even run the Imperiums guns dry. It's fluffy, just wish there was more than a warlord trait, stratagem, and legion tactics to differentiate same for marines. It all feels vanilla.

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Tarantula turrets! What are your feelings on these FW things?
Anybody field them? I think they're pretty cheep for some mild distraction dakka.

>>54646412
Hey anon, that's a great Armies on Parade™ board to display your cool new Citadel™ Miniatures! This is one of my most favorite times to showcase my love for the Games Workshop Hobby™.

Got a few quick questions about building my army.

I wanted to run a pure melee Admech list but now my wallet is suffering. My second favourite army is Guard.

If I'm using Dragoons, Electro-Priests, Sicarians and a few Dominii, what are the best ways I could use a 1k Guard detachment?

Should I bring artillery, transports, hellhounds to bring fire support and block LOS?

I really don't know what would be best here because I've never touched anything but admech.

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If the Emperor has been alive for well over 100,000 years, and has always been guiding humanity from the shadows, why did he let humanity get to the state where it would need reuniting again again? You know, after humanity warred against itself for millenia, then created wondrous technologies that it warred with, then warred with itself some more, then split in a great schism, then needed reuniting for the next huge schism that ironically his own sons would start?

>>54646515
>implying transports are as important as they used to be after the price hike
how do you get your marines to their objectives upfield?
>inb4 stormraven

When will Chapter Master 2'chan get rules?

>>54646656
There was a big warp-storm.

Fucking frodoposters man

I need to choose, /tg/:

>Make a Primaris successor Alpha Legion chapter
>Make Alpha Legion using Mk4 marines and run them using Codex: Space Marines

>>54646656
Because he went to molech during the Cold War to have the powers to save earth if it underwent nuclear winter, there he stole from the chaos gods

>>54646202

Man I want like 10 of those gattling guns to use for Flash Git conversions.

>>54646677
>no mk4 alpha legion and use them as SoB option

>>54646675
>There was a big warp-storm.
The warp storm that happened long after humanity nearly destroyed itself with its own creations? Hmm.

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>>54646689
Next best thing.

How broken would it be if Night Lords get to take Raptors as troop choices?

>>54646201
Not him but fuck the zuck and his data mining

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Dis iz Konork Newz.

Da first story iz Orks 'ave taken da stashun.

Second story iz everone' krumpin' and everyone else but noffin's 'appenin'.

In ovva newz, da Perium and da Kaos gitz iz a buncha panzees.

>>54646720

Ehh, looks a bit weedy. Needs to be T H I C C D A K K A

>>54646561

Start collecting box is always good

>>54646605
>So chances are the roll 3 dice guns are here to stay and GW marketing couldn't bring themselves to hype them up.

I still have the tiniest of hope that this will be fixed somehow till the codex drops.

>>54646732
No PC Marines got special troops so neither will rieverlets

>>54646561
buying individual boxes of tyranid troops isn't very economical because they're generally best fielded in very large units. Hence the other anon suggesting buying termagants from ebay on the cheap.

>>54646638
Wow, you sure are a pleasant person to be around.

>>54646756
Except that the tyranid start collecting box sucks, it's good value, but you wouldn't actually want any of the units in it.

>>54646732
Won't happen, but even if it did it wouldn't mean a whole lot. Raptors are kind of eh to begin with have an annoyingly expensive kit.

>>54646341
Aka. "We're totally never gonna change these rules."

I can imagine how useful it'll be once models can't fire all their guns at different targets.

>>54646667
Honestly? I sit long-ranged squads on backfield objectives, advance mid-range units towards mid-field objectives and objectives on the opponent's side of the field I just deep strike stuff onto.

>>54646412
Never seen that what do ya do? Is it some sort of painting competition?

>>54646791
>not using a hive tyrant
>not using warriors
>not using gargoyles just to see your chaoscuck opponents reaction when Abbadon dies to them because of blinding venom

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Its not the best paintjob but im happy with it.

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>>54646819
https://armiesonparade.com

>>54646732
Why? Just play the 3 Fast Attack, 1 HQ detachment, there, fill your mandatory choices with Raptors. If you insist on those tasty Command Points, just play some Cultists or some Brimstone Horrors as Troops.

>>54646689
galing style guns are one of the easiest things in the world to scratchbuild tho

>>54646837
>Using the worst HQ choice in the codex
>Using the second worst troops choice
>Using the second worst fast attack choice

>>54645194

My sides

>>54646837
>blinding venom
All it does it cause a unit the suffers an unsaved wound from it to hit at -1 in close combat. Abaddon is T5 and has a 2+ save gargoyles aren't even likely to wound him at all and he hits on 2+ anyway, unless you have a fuckload of gargoyles they wouldn't do jack shit.

>>54646819
Take a 2'x2' board (either part of a GW board or a self-made one) and design it yourself, including terrain and everything, then add models to it. It can go from "place a few models onto a GW board piece" to "hand-carved board with indentations for the models' bases and absolutely gorgeous scenery to make your army stand out. Takes a fuckload of cash, work and skill, though.

>>54646561
If the swarm box was available, it'd be best to get it. If not, take your time on Ebay for cheap armies first. Also, don't listen to >>54646756 because it's cheaper to pick up a Swarmlord than buy the box, and Warriors and Gargoyles are still as worthless as ever because GW apparently has some quota that at least 5 or so Nid models must be unplayable at any given time.

If you've not got the patience or budget for any of that, just go with DEldar, dude.

>>54646805
I'll magnetize everything just to be safe.

>>54646892
>hive tyrant
You have to go back.png
>>54646948
>current edition
>not running troops in maximum numbers
Wew lad, they are blocks of 30

>>54646956
It's apparently a rule of the universe that tyranid warriors must be a bad unit.

Anyone have the top 3 lists from the Bay Area Open?

>>54644724
He looks like a fat fuck

>>54646892
How is a Hive Tyrant a worse HQ choice than a Tyranid Prime? 2 of the Tyranids' excellent psychic powers, access to Monstrous Rending Claws and two Deathspitters on top looks pretty good compared to... a Synapse Creatures that makes the very mediocre Warriors hit better.
I'm assuming the worst Troops and Fast Attack choices are Rippers and Sky-Slashers respectively.

>>54646849
Damn that's pretty tight what's yours gonna be?

>>54647010
See >>54640222

>>54647019
Does the tyrant kit come with monstrous rending claws, and is it supposed to only have one bone sword foot

>>54647013
Conscript spam and Tau commander bombs.

>>54646122

You know it works on shit like Hellbrutes and non-berserkers, right?

>>54647048
I'd use it on Kharn if he ever charged a blob at least 15+, just for the pure blender-ness of it

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>>54646956
I suppose orks are also on the table. Always thought they were fun looking as a kid. Any ork players in here who can give a waaaah'n good rundown for $200 cad?

>>54647025
That's literally what I have been doing in 8th already.

And then I stopped and just started using equivalent points of termagants and genestealers instead and it was more effective. They just aren't good enough at any given thing to be worth using.

>>54646844

I spent 20 minutes in a Savers looking for sprues because of you

>>54647038
SO I've heard, but do we have the actual lists floating around?

So far I've heard that IG and suits are top and that FW didnt seem to be a big factor

>>54647013

IG top 3
Conscripts and scion in 1st
Ravens scripts and Gully in 3rd

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>>54645735
>mfw building that thing right now

It's being a cunt and I don't like it.

>>54647037
I'm failing to see the relevance of that question. You are allowed to use those options and therefore can convert them.

And even if you just give him double Deathspitters and Monstrous Boneswords (all of which are in the kit) he is still better than the Tyranid Prime.

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Why?

>>54647037
CAN SOMEONE ANSWER THIS FUCKING QUESTION IVE ASKED IT IN THREE THREADS NOW AND STILL NO RESPONSE

>>54646641
What you listed for admech is minor fire support/melee, melee, melee and minor fire support/melee.

So you are missing big guns. How to supply them? Two options:

Scions (counts as skitarri guard)
Take normal troops plus command squads and especially the taurox prime with autocannons and the battlecannon. Provides mid range fire support with the others provide either decent AP or plasma/volleyguns.

Normal guard, but focused on fire support. Sentinals with lascannon/plasmacannon work well and keep in theme, devildogs and chem hounds also work well. Artillery is okay as well, as is bringing bullgryn (can also count as assault servitors or something)

>>54647085
I always wonder if the tournaments gives out dice to each player.

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>>54647123
No

>>54647003
and you can attack with 24 of them in combat

>>54647022
Not the same guy.

>>54646122
>blob of Chosen
>Terminators
>Helbrutes

Step up your game, son. It's not like Khorne Berzerkers and Kharn are the only ones that can use it.

So is there any Chapter that specializes in defensive warfare with fortifications beside the Imperial Fists and that one warlord trait of theirs ?

>>54644112
Here:
http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Exo-Lords/Black-Ops/frag-launcher-grenade-cannon-heavy-weapon
Their Exo Lords were pretty much made to be a third party Deathwatch. Not as good looking but has some cool options like the cloaked power armor snipers for your team with stalker bolters.

>>54647123
I don't know, I don't play gay armies.

>>54647115
I'm asking because you play tyranjds so should have bought the kit and will now if it's there, as you say you can convert it I assume you do need to

>>54646122
For world eaters? Where can I find this?

>>54646116
Chad McThundercock

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>>54647123
Well gee, being a shouty cunt sure makes me want to crack open my bitz box to check for you.

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>>54647117
Who's the NPCs now, you chaos fucks?

>>54647117
Suicidle Xenos welcoming a good purging with open arms! YAAAS XENOS SLAY.

>>54647137
And they can charge and strike first