Warhammer 40,00 General /40kg/

Konor will not fall

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First for chaos

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IT'S TIME TO

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xth for Morty

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second for Guard!

>>54592194
So how do I represent my Red Hunters, who I picture pulling buried skillsets out if their ass/memory as situation call for them, as a proper chapter Tactics?

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>>54595008
>tfw I lost all three games I played
>tfw stupid codex full of free relics and ultramarine primarchs everywhere
>tfw what few victories I had were negated by xenos factions

I dont even want your stupid planet anymore.

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>>54595008
KEEP PUSHING XENOS/CHAOS BROS THE IMPERIALS ARE WAVERING!!

>>54595030
I fucking saw that guy selling that army on 40k buy and sell and my first thought was "Shit, /tg/ will love this or dismiss it as Reddit shit, it's hard to tell sometimes

>>54594991
Ducking taucuvks stealing our victories
>>54595011
Thought this was a daemon host
Most disappointed

>>54595061
>wavering
>when the codex drops today
Prepare for major marine reinforcment

>>54594858
You need to learn to use an archive necron anon.
Here you go you silly pleb. https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q!1xIWjDLR

>>54595036
Morty Come to Konor on the double quick!

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Definitely thought Flamebelcha would be bigger but I still love him, great model to put together. Now I gotta figure out the Howdah....

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>>54595081
HA! Imperials have jobs enjoy working while Chaos is all in your base killing your dudes.

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>>54595030
until somebody does it for this model, don't every reply to /40kg/ again.

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>>54595061
>fighting for the same faction that Slaanesh supports
>willingly jumping in to the crocodile's mouth
100% imperial control here.

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>>54595120
I guess that's true, that would explain why chaos has been kicking ass this campaign while the imperium has so few wins. Oh wait...

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>>54595128
>gotz me a full teef scholarship to the waaaagh youz jus a grot

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>>54595030
It is the Beyblade!

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The new upgrade pack pales in comparison to this.

>>54595155
More forces means More corpses means more flies

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>be playing DoW2 for the first time since before I got into 40k
>see this
UNACCEPTABLE

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>>54594133
>belfast
Now anon, that's not really Ireland, now is it?
>>54595165
You are like little baby, watch this

>>54595168
Whatever helps you sleep at night chaoscuck

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>mfw I bring my Not!Emperors Children to the shop to play today
>Four of the six Imperial armies are SM
>All of them have at least some Primaris in their army
>All of them between 15yo-20yo
>Store is allowing all of them to use the new in-store Codex, which I had not seen
>Play five games, four of which are against these SM players
>Lose to two of them, scrape by one, and blow the SW player out of the water (Inferus Predators FTW)
>Entire game is literally NOTHING but sarcastic remarks and internet memes
>"Lol Get Primarised, Heretic!"
>"Manlets Bee-Tee-Ef-Oh!"
>"You're losing because your guys are terrified of the bigger, better Primaris marines!" (Note: This was the SW player that I absolutely routed)
>[Player Narration] "The Chaos Lord of the Apostate Kings looks through the haze of the battlefield, when suddenly Primaris Lieutenant Addicles strides through the smoke. Gazing into the blood-red eyes of his Mk. X helm [Note: The model actually had yellow eyes] and realizes deem into his shrunken soul that he is completely, totally, hopelessly outmatched. He knows he cannot compete with the pinnacle of Imperial science and mastery!"
>Then these kids kept calling me a "manlet player," and asking me when I was gonna buy the Primaris models and "run them counts-as" because "they're just so much better looking."
>mfw I am the tallest guy in the shop by at least three inches
>mfw I'm still only 5'11"

Look guys, shitposting on /tg/ is fun, but lets not be such goddamn autists in real life.

>>54595165
But this isn't for Primaris Space Marines.

I just had to get that laurel head for my 30k praetor.

Anyone uploaded the epub codex yet?

>>54595197
world eater sorc is more irritating. Thats why I used to play it.

>>54595200
>things that didn't happen: the posg

>>54595197
Librarius being blue is a codex stipulation, nothing more.

>>54595214
There were WE Sorcs though, they just used their powers to rip and tear better.

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I put my autism spectacles on and noticed that these helmets have two tubes on each side which is different from the Dark Imperium helmets.

I also noticed that the sergeant doesn't have a piece missing from the middle of his gorget like the sergeants and lieutenants from Dark Imperium.

I'm shaking, brothers.

>>54595229
in HH, sure but in 40k I have never heard of one.

>>54595221
this

>>54595155
Xenos get to choose who they take points from?
So, a Xenos and a Limperial could both fight and agree that whoever wins, chaos loses?

>>54595155
1.Codex released on the weekend
2.SM players buy it.
3. Go to work during the week
4. Chaos neets clean up till Thursday.
Search your heart you know it to be true.

>>54595229
>There were WE Sorcs though, they just used their powers to rip and tear better
There were right up until the WE went to Khorne and he made them butcher them all

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>>54595221
I'd believe it. The kids in our shop literally do nothing but spout memes ALL THE TIME, be they 40K memes or otherwise.

You drastically overestimate the social skills of a group of teenagers who are normally the social outcasts, and suddenly find themselves among a group who shares their hobby.

Source: was once one of those kids, now I know better.

>>54595258
Yup. But there can also be matches where Imperials fight Imperials, and as a result Imperials win.

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Konor Battle Report: Total loss.

2 players vrs 1...
2K Chaos v. 1K Admech 1K Sisters + Imperial Support. Victory to Chaos, unfortunately.

Who wants a battle report with pictures?

>>54595258
no if xenos plays vs imerpial the xenos player is playing for chaos.

>>54595272
before memes it was movie references nothing has really changed.

>>54595259
Uh-huh. I guess that's why chaos got BTFO harder during the week than on the weekend, right?

>>54595248
I guess. But nothing in the World Eater's fluff says there are no Sorc's in their bands. Now if DoW2 had a Black Templar colour chart for Librarians, sure.

>>54595261
Pretty sure that Librarians are often used by non-Librarian-liking-legions in order to find the best places to fight and shit. In Cult of the Warsmith book, the Iron Warriors use a pysker to find an item of Pertys and when they got it they fired it into the sun because lol imperfect. They didn't like the pysker, but they still used him. World Eaters aren't all Khorne Zerkers, it's possible that they captured a Pysker and force them to find the best fighting or to counter weakling sorcery.

>>54595242
>buying into snapfits
>ever
the multi-part kits are ALWAYS better

>>54595291
Do want gimmie that shit.

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Had an argument with my friends about rerolls.

With the new FAQ out, can you reroll a single die of a failed charge roll? Or do you have to reroll both dice using 2 CP?

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>squad is using auto bolt rifles
>except for the guy reloading

>>54595306
>World Eaters aren't all Khorne Zerkers

After skalathrax, they basically are though.

>>54595329
You mean for the tactical reroll? You only reroll 1 dice

>>54595242
Apart from alternative poses, is there a reason to buy this kit over DI hellblasters from ebay? The major difference between the guns are some decorative bits. I would have expected the assault to have a shorter range and the heavy to have a beefier barrel. But no, one just has a cylinder under the muzzle and a cable to the backpack, and the other has some tactical light and a scope. And I thought the auto bolt rifle, bolt rifle and stalker bolt rifle were lazy design with the only real difference being the magazine.

>>54595343
Right, so can I just reroll 1 of the 2 dice, or do I absolutely have to reroll both since the FAQ states you have to reroll all applicable dice if you reroll.

>>54595338
Not all Zerkers are WE either. Otherwise the option to make like Mutilators World Eaters woukdn't exist.

>>54595333
Yes? The rules for them says any unit can replace their Bolt Rifle with Auto Bolt Rifle. So you don't have to swap them all out.

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>>54595198
Crimson Fists here.

>>54595343
>>54595362
So for something like BT's CTs, you have to reroll both, for the strategm, just one is allowed.

>>54595338
I suppose they still have to have Lords but I can't picture a WE Warpsmith being very good at his job.

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>>54595333

>24 head bits

Has GW gone too far?

>>54595368
It says "all models" so GW made a goof.

>>54595362
If you have an ability that says you can "re-roll charges" like Orks or Black Templars, you have to re-roll both.

If you use the Command Re-roll Stratagem for 1CP, you only re-roll 1, and CANNOT re-roll both.

Also you can't spend 2CP to use it twice in the same phase.

>>54595306
>World Eaters aren't all Khorne Zerkers
Even their units that aren't berzerkers are berzerkers, the Butcher's Nails are what turns a marine into a berzerker and the WEs universally have the nails.

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>>54595368
My understand is by skal everyone had the butchers nails in their head. Then kharn does his things the legion breaks up into warbands.

In fact I think in adbs betrayer all the Librarians die. But Im not sure its been a while.

>>54595386
Well there are meant to be world eater psycho surgeons who still live. And give wannabe berzerkers the nails. I imagine their bed side manner is malpractical.

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Found on FB
Hints of what models to come?

>>54595451
You're really late.

>>54595361
>And I thought the auto bolt rifle, bolt rifle and stalker bolt rifle were lazy design with the only real difference being the magazine.
There's a top part that changes too, and the Stalker has a bigger scope than the standard.

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>>54595451
>convert

>>54595451
>new
>says it's conversion

Why? Slap a different head on and some gubbins. Really late as well. It's to placate the fags who want conversion shit in WD again.

>>54595302
This. For every memespewing kiddie, there's a middle-aged neckbeard that spams quotes from Monty Python and Firefly.

>>54595451
No. You're not getting a new model.

>>54595333
>not drilling your magazine wells
Absolutely fucking disgusting.

>Tfw chaos/xenos player
>Tfw tempted to switch to Imperium
>Tfw don't want to waste the models I already have

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>>54595143
Since when are Nurgle and slannesh so chummy?

>>54595497
The magazine is still in there. Get your eyes checked, fuccboi.

Enough with the phony outrage culture.

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>>54595333

>>54595512
wut?

>>54595503
>>Tfw don't want to sell the models I already have to finance my new army
numales, everyone.

>>54595512
Every fucking thread I hear about how another culture has to go.

>>54595503
Don't be impatient your new toys are coming soon don't be an ultra bandwagoner.

>>54595512
>The magazine is still in there.
It clearly isn't. Look at the picture marked "1" below. If the empty magazine was still in the bolter it would extend beyond the grip. Perhaps you should get your eyes checked.

>>54595534
The prior magazine is still in the bolt rifle.
You just wanted to get upset about something without giving it a second thought.
You're shitposting.

>>54595471
How many of us are gonna even notice any size difference between the scopes? Or care? I don't even care if the gun has a straight or curved magazine. Telion has a curved magazine on his stalker bolter.

>>54595564
Come one, rookie. You know not every 'bolt' gun and magazine is identical.

>>54595483
Ah fair enough

The hand shown isn't one that comes with the NDK at all so I figured we might be getting an upgrade sprue

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>>54595566
Still confused.

>>54595306
>But nothing in the World Eater's fluff says there are no Sorc's in their bands.
Besides all the fluff about how Khorne hates psykers and literally has an entire class of demon dedicated to hunting them? Or how being inducted into the WEs requires a member be implanted with the butcher's nails which cause either the psyker, any nearby battle brothers or both to be brainsploded if they use psychic powers? Or that it's stated repeatedly that just the mere presence of psykers give anyone with the nails headaches to the point of nosebleeding?

>>54595553
It's not even the Primaris. It's the Custodes, Imperial Knights, and the Assassinorum.

>>54595200
I would claim this didnt happen but ive seen worse...from the staff, any time I head into a store its mostly kids yelling and a few older neckbeards hanging about, any ''normie'' oeople I see are literally in, buy and out shoppers.

The staff I am mixed about, they either ignore you when you need something or are pestering you to buy tools at a 400% mark up...seriously NOBODY IS SPENDING 20 QUID ON A SINGLE SCULPTING TOOL.

>>54595587
Are you talking about the pistol? I'm commenting on the big guy with the respirator reloading his rifle.

See >>54595601

>>54595601
There is a straight mag still in the rifle.
He hasn't ejected it yet to replace.

What's a nice loadout for land speeders now? Typhoon missiles seem like a bit of a waste for its movement, and multimeltas seem iffy for the cost->accuracy

>>54595198
Best part about the BT kit is that it contains two sets of what is it that picture.

I really do want an updated one for Primaris though.

>>54595612
nah

>>54595604
Re-read what I said. World Eaters got smashed into different warbands by Kharn. It's entirely possible a warband got a pysker and forced them to join. And making them sit somewhere else and dispel magic is going to be useful. it's one of the most minor things in 40k, this isn't like trying to fluff justify female space marines.

>>54595612
>he doesn't knock it out with the new magazine

>>54595612
He has already ejected it. Bolt magazines still have grooves at the bottom.

What do the new stalker bolt rifles look like, anyways?

>>54595622
Not being able to shoot heavy at full BS really fucks with fast vehicles. I don't understand why they don't have a rule to overcome this like they did before....

>>54595583
If you don't model your guns properly I will not let you field them, WAACfag. WYSIWYG is important to stop people making shit up and changing their lists. If you have a unit with Bolt Rifles they better all damn well be modelled with the proper magazines and scopes.

>>54595647
Not all of them, no.

>>54595612
He's clearly moving the new magazine into place. If the previous mag was still in the gun his movement wouldn't make any sense. You're clearly a liar or an idiot.

>>54595527
Impressive face detail. Why does GW make their 'Tactical' equivs have meme faces? The new manlet ones had faces from DoW.

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>>54595650
Stalker on top, auto on bottom.

>>54595658
>WYSIWYG is important to stop people making shit up and changing their lists
>what are magnets

>>54595658
You sound like a ball of fun to game around!

>>54595666
LOOK AT HIS FEET!
There is no ejected mag on the ground!

>>54595673
Because I don't allow cheating?

>>54595668
Such customizability.
Many options.
Totally worth the price

So the Chaos Space Marine codex is up next, or was it the Grey Knights codex in the works?

>>54595681
Proxies aren't cheating

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>>54595322
Just realized I have to resize and pick out images. Also should of typed this up before hand.

So I'm hazey on pain meds + long day. This is a very vague report.

Chaos had:
>Typhus + shitloads of plague fucks
>Daemon prince (proxied with kastellan as his model was being stripped)
>1x pred with autocannon and lascannons
>3x bloat drones
>rhino with berzerkers
>other shit i can't remember

We had:
>Admech shit I don't know because i rarely see them
>tech priest dominus
>3x Ironstrider dragoon
>3x ironstrider ballistraius
>5 sicarian infiltrators
>two squads of electropriests

>Canoness with Eviscerator
>Inquisitor of Ordo Hereticus
>2x5 battle sister squads with 2 stormbolsters each
>1x5 battle sister squad with just bolters
>1x10 battlesister squad with 3 stormbolters
>2x Immolator with Twin Multi Meltas
>Sentinel Power Lifter
>Storm Troopers
>2x Sabre Platforms with Twin Heavy Stubbers
>Avenger Strike Fighter rocking lascannons

I had come prepared for a 500 point game. I ended up filling with odds-and-ends (sabres, etc). The Admech player was trying a meleecentric list.

The plan was gun line behind melee priests. Lifter would follow the Dragoons about. Stormtroopers air drop in behind his shit and gun down some plague marines. Avenger attack from side and gun for what-ever-needs-it.

Instead we were nearly tabled by turn 2... and this is the story of our colossal fuck up. Fuck up that I am blaming the Adeptus Mechanicus for, because the Emperor surely never abandoned my own. Not mad at him. Was a fun game... just learned a LOT of hard lessons. Any shit-talk is purely in-character.

>>54595668
Interesting.

So half the starter box guys are stalker? Cause it's just a scope?

>>54595687
both together

>>54595690
They are if your opponent says no.

>>54595687
Both come out the 12th

>>54595690
I have to question your intelligence to bite at such bait, surely evolution would've preventedyour existence?

>>54595681
Do you DM often out of curiosity?

>>54595686
Right? He also comes with a sword/pointing hand and optional head for the reasonable price of $35!

>>54595697
No, the Stalker has a longer scope than the Bolt Rifle and a different mag.

>>54595696
Formatting is dope please continue friend!

>>54595658
You gonna call the internet police on me, daddy? Give me the "long arm of the law," daddy? Tell me I've been a bad, bad boy?

>>54595697
No, the DI guys have bolt rifles. Stalkers have a longer scope and short, straight magazine.

Carbines or combat blades on the reivers?

I'm leaning towards the carbines, that's a lot of firepower while they're already at 2 attacks base.

>>54595705
nobody needs you to play with anyway

>>54595709
I have to question your intellect to reply with such a typo.
Surely evolution (not real btw) would've prevented a mind as inferior as your own to have been allowed into existence?

>>54595705
Not, really.
You don't have to play with that would-be opponent.

>>54595490
Oh god...
I'll take stupid marinelet jokes over having to hear about deadly rabbits and 'kill you with my brain' over and over. With the former, there's at least a chance that in two week's they'll have moved on to a new stupid joke.

>>54595677
Marines don't dump their empty mags on the ground bruv

>>54595707
Any leaks on what Chaos get, or were they too busy throwing us chapter tactics?

>>54595668
This surely will never be confusing at all.
Also totally not lazy weapon design or anything.

>>54595756
Then where is it on his body?!?!

He has a pouch, but no spare magazines.

The truth, Chaplain! The people of The Imperium demand THE TRUTH!

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>>54595583
>>54595673
>>54595742

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>>54595696
This is deployment.

Avenger in the bottom so I could orbit safely and not be shot on his turn one. It is off the stand to avoid a fall due to uneven terrain.

This is where we fucked up. Hard.

The idea was the Admech Melee Wall would be in front of bolters and immolators. That idea did not work out. We fucked up by not deploying further back because we didn't expect him to cover ground quickly....

Big fucking mistake. The CP order for chaos is assault after advance. His Berzerkers were out, advancing, and charging into the Electro Priests TURN FUCKING ONE. Not like he had a huge distance to cover but GOD WE FUCKED UP.

The Blight Drones were HOT on his ass.

By the end of our enemy's phases we were really fucked up. Most the Admech walkers were dead to ranged shooting (Predator) and bad dice rolls.

Next picture demonstrates this.

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>>54595645
It's also entirely possible they got an Ultramarine to join, if we're just going to ignore years and years of fluff that say they revile psykers. Or the fact that if you took a World Eaters army last edition you weren't allowed to take any psykers because it just doesn't happen.

>>54595451
More important part is that it means that units will be in codices that don't have models again.

>>54595800
>imblyign

>>54595404
>Not wanting all 'your dudes' to look different from each other

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>>54595790
This is the ground he covered in his movement phase. Fuck. It. Sucked. We fucked up HARD deploying so close.

I'll post our turn 1 + more pictures next post.

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added a claw

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>>54594991
Does anyone have a link to Shroud of Night? I want to see what shenanigans the Alphas get up to.

>>54595800
No it doesn't. The Dreadknight has a model.

I got a second box of Raptors the other day, I built my first 5 with Sword+Pistol only.
Should I build Special Weapon Raptors and a 2nd Champion or just go with Warp Talons? If the first which special weapons for what purpose?

>>54595819
Speak English pedro. I don't know what the fuck your saying.

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Scans in the mega when?
anyone have the two pages of SM: Stratagems?

>>54595835
LOL

Looks like the shambling Death Guard caught you by surprise ! Which ... sounds a little odd actually. Maybe they advanced under the cover of clouds of flies, thick enough to obscure even whatever the AdMech use to look around with.

>Play DoW1, absolutely love Flash Gitz
>Get into 40K back in late 2007, just in time for new Ork codex
>Flash Gitz are terrible
>Persevere for the long years until 7th edition update finally hits
>Flash Gitz are terrible
>Suffer through 7th until 8th hits
>Flash Gitz are terrible

Not sure why I hold out hope that our codex update will fix this situation but damnit if this isn't an impressive record from GW keeping a unit this useless for this long.

>>54595867
>can't even into elementary meems
Lurk moar

>>54595785
It's ok, anon, we still love you.

>>54595785
>not playing totally WYSIWYG every single game is Waac and against the spirit
First of all, it can't be against the competitive sense AND Waac. Second, fuck off. Third, how do you help new players in?

>>54595857
The conversion is for a chapter master in dreadknight armour you mong. Its like making a archon and putting him on a reaver jetbike. Easy conversion but its different

>>54595874
>horde of sprinting Khorne Berzerkers and flying Drones
>shambling Death Guard

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>>54595668
I thought stalker bolters were supposed to have way bigger barrels

>>54595881
>Speaking in memes
>Upset when people don't care to look it up

>>54595907
Primaris Bolter already has a longer barrel.

>>54595895
Those whatever type of green shits they are in the front aren't far behind that one unit of Khorne Berserkers.

>>54595668
whats the revolver drum looking thing above the mag?

>>54595886

>Third, how do you help new players in?
By teaching them to read the fucking instructions on their kits to assemble the models correctly and not with an illegal mishmash of non-mixable weapons so they have to tell their opponent's "oh this is actually this and this is this and this is this" and then conveniently "forget" some of them halfway through the game.

That is That Guy behaviour, don't be That Guy, just model the fucking guns right.

>>54595909
>look it up
Are you freaking kidding ME?
>implyign
is such a basic meme on 4chan, and has been a long time that one shouldn't need to look it up, if they've been here even for only a month or two.

>>54595876
>the 135 point unit that has decent BS and hits like a truck against elite armies
>and actually does damn good damage for the cost
Well I'm sorry it's not as good as 30 boyz, but its good. They've served me well knocking off marine special units

>>54595938
The auto feeder for the auto bolt rifle?

>>54595938
Probably literally a revolving chamber for RAPID FIRE

>>54595941
>forcing people to model EXACTLY every time and not letting the freedom and enjoyment of modelling in
w a a c f a g and n o f u n

>>54595924
And that means what? If stalker bolters are longer than bolters and bolt rifles are longer than bolters then stalker bolt rifles should be longer again.

>>54595887
>The conversion is for a chapter master in dreadknight armour you mong.
There's nothing stopping you from saying the guy in the Dreadknight model is a Grand Master.

There ARE things stopping you from saying a Reaver is an Archon, because Archons have different gear options.

GW IS removing all unit entries from Codexes that don't have models, sometimes they just allow existing models to now have multiple unit entries, like Purestrain Genestealers and Hive Fleet Genestealers, or this newest example of a Dreadknight or Grand Master in Dreadknight.

Don't expect them to keep around something like a Warboss on a Bike without a plastic GW model.

>>54595333
funny how the grenade launcher barrel has the same diameter as the regular bolter barrel

>>54595667
because they can.

>>54595950
Reminder that unless it outperforms Wraithknights in 7th edition the unit is literally trash.

>>54595978
>then stalker bolt rifles should be longer again.
No, check out the Deathwatch kit.

>>54595942
>Being triggered by vets pretending to newfag
No wonder you talk in memes

>>54595876
They're higher bs ork with 4 point rerolls and extra wounds, who have a chance of shoooting twice in a turn and are armed with shorter range better ap heavy bolters.

They look fine. What issue are you having that they seem shit to you?

>>54595869
3 pages and they're still on youtube

>>54595976
See >>54595785 and fuck off

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>>54595835
>>54595790
This is the end of his turn - the daemon prince (kastellan) has charged in and wrecked a strider. Took 4 wounds from them.

Not pictured: 2 of the 3 shooty-striders are dead. Tons of sisters dead.

Our reply
>3 wounds to a blight drone from ALL OUR COMBINED ANTI VEHICLE SHOOTING. Including act-of-faith Storm Bolter spam just for weight-of-dice.
>12 heavy stubber shots at the fucking lone-berzerker who shrugs it all off
>16 bolter shots at lone-zerker who shrugs it off
>ZERKER JUST IGNORES EVERYTHING
>get a wound
>enemy spends a command point to re-roll it just to spite us
>avenger fails EVERYTHING

Our melee:
>Charge the prince with Inquisitor & Lifter to aid the striders
>Do 1 wound to the prince
>FUCK
>strider dies in punch back

His Turn 2...
>shooting wipes
>he cleans up loose infantry
>He charges shit up. Fucks Inquisitor and Lifter up
>everything proceeds to die horrifically
>lone berzerker charges immolator
>rhino charges immolator 2

At this point all we have left:
>2x5 sisters, Canoness
>2 Sabres, 2 Immolators locked in CQC
>Avenger orbiting map
>Warlord Techpriest
>1 Strider w/ Lascannons
>10 storm troopers who we are banking on coming in to salvage this cluster fuck

OUR TURN:
>fail to roll to bring in stormtroopers
>FUCKING SHIT CUNTS

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>>54596001
I play Deathwatch, that's why I'm so butthurt about it.

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>>54595909

>>54595601
this goes against pretty much every single rule of how you should reload your gun
coupled with the hilarious face it just screams "wtf am i doing with this thing"

and THAT is funny

>>54596030
If anything, you'd expect the Primaris Stalkers to be shorter.

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>>54596024
Results of his turn 2, before charging us.

>>54595670
no he means changing the list mid game.

like that guy with proxied special weapons that always seem be flamers on the squad near your infantry and conveniently their squad with meltas happens to be the one next to your tank.

its cheating THAT GUY shit some people still try to pull.

>>54596003
oh, so you were just pretending to be retarded.
fug! :DDDDDD

>>54595983
>can use command squad box to build a commander
>can use scion box to build a tempestor
>can't use a biker squad box to build a biker warboss

>>54596003
>>Being triggered by vets
>N-no guise I was an oldfag all along.

[X] Doubt

>>54595950

It's a unit with a 6+ save and 24" range. So it needs some kind of protection to not get absolutely smashed by anything that glances at. Lootas can get away with minimal protecting because of 48" range, so they're not exposed to many threats. But Flash Gitz can and will just get mown down by bolter fire.

So you need protection for them, and that means a transport, because the short range also means you need to move them around. But the only option is a Battlewagon, which then has to forego an 'Ard Case to let the Gitz shoot out of it, which means your "protection" is a T7, 4+ save vehicle. That's extremely easy to pop for most armies in the game, and once they're outside, Gitz have the survivability of wet noodles.

The icing on the cake is that the short range on Snazzguns means Gitz have to keep moving to keep enemies in range, but they have Heavy weapons. This might have almost made sense if the Battlewagon's Mobile Fortress rule affected passengers, but it doesn't. So you're left with an expensive, fragile unit that needs a transport that is also expensive and fragile, and is most of the time hitting on 5's.

>>54596024
>>fail to roll to bring in stormtroopers

Wait, you were playing a narrative mission ?

>>54596017
Come on, let's keep taunting the autist! The longer we bait him into posting here, the less likely he is to drive players away from the local store with his unwashed stench!!

>>54595969
>>54595959
yea so basically a gw invented thingamajic
great

>>54596058

There are no specific warboss parts in a biker squad box unlike the (IG?) command squad and scion box which have parts for a commander/tempestor respectively

>>54596058
If GW thinks it doesn't have the right parts, they'll remove it. Don't look at me and ask why. All I'm saying is don't be stupid and think the Grand Master Dreadknight is a reason to get your hopes up that GW won't remove options from Codexes that do not have models. They fucking will.

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>>54595941
Yeah. I'm sorta new and I stricly avoid playing at my FLGS due to this.
I have 500 pt of models that I made myself. The idea that I am now forced to take exactly the equipment the models hold bothers me. Probably more than it should but damn.
>Whops, took the coolest looking thing instead of the best thing. My bad, I guess I'll never win a 500 point game then. And I thought having d6 damage was a good thing.

At least my friends let me use battlescribe to print out alternative lists with alternative equipment to test out.
Man fuck the FLGS people.

>>54595983
Well a Reaver Archon hasn't existed since 3rd edition, its just an example of a easy conversion to do if rules existed for it.

The warboss example is more interesting and may work against you, as there never has been a model for it. Maybe in 2nd editon. He also wasn't in the 7th edition codex, yet here he is in the index bizarrely. Same thing with the Painboy on a bike.

>>54595983
This, it's as if people don't realize the GK line consists of one box that makes up 4 of its options.
Or another box that makes up two, three, four, five, actually SIX of its options.
Not including the Bro Cap in that count.

>>54596045
Why? Longer barrels on rifles result in higher velocity and better accuracy at very long range. The kind of thing you want in the sniper variant of a rifle.

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I've put three victories toward Chaos as Orkz this week so far, two of those games were close, but my first one was a meme reaming. He brought a bunch of lascannons figuring I was going to do Morkanaut spam like I have in the past, I brought my hordes, he drowned in a sea of 150 bodies.

Lesson of the day, don't list tailor lads. Also heres my red boy squad, charging in for the glory of Khorne alongside one of my tankbusta trukkz

>>54596061
>Being triggered and not always doubting anons

>>54596107
The Primaris Stalkers and Deathwatch Stalkers have identical statblocks.
There's not a reason for the Primaris Stalker to be any longer.

>>54596094
>He also wasn't in the 7th edition codex, yet here he is in the index bizarrely.
That's even more reason to believe he won't be in the Codex, they put things in the index for people who had old legacy models for them.

Although, I believe Orks will actually be one of the Codexes to get some new kits when they release, so maybe he'll get a brand spanking new kit. But that could really go either way.

>>54596119
>I'm actually an Alpha Legionnaire
You need to take a break from posting, friend.

>>54596116
You Boyz are doing a damn fine job! Red orks make me happy as well.

>>54595941
>"this squad here has bolt rifles"
>"ok"

And somehow the world didn't end.

Yeah, I'm terribly sorry my WAACfagging caused me to give my SM scouts scoped bolters with extended barrels as sniper rifles (like seen on 30k legion recon squad models) triggers your autism. If you can tell me how to make a scout squad with sniper rifles without camo cloaks, I'd appreciate it. The instructions were a bit hazy on that.

Seriously, you fuck off, faggot. You don't go measuring every model to make sure each and every space mans has the correct size scope and the right shaped magazine, so don't pretend you really care.

>>54596073
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>54596125
>Muh compensation

Clearly you didn't realize yet that this is a man's hobby :^)

>>54596148
>If you can tell me how to make a scout squad with sniper rifles without camo cloaks, I'd appreciate it. The instructions were a bit hazy on that.
Read the index.
They don't have to take cloaks, dude.

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Would you guys take 30k plasmas as a proxy for combi plasmas?

>>54596163
He's talking about the models.

>>54596155
Oh I did, I've got the Watch-Master and his TOWERING stature.

Seriously, he's taller than any of terminators. wtf?

>>54596176
Yeah, you can take the arms and put them on the non-cloaked scouts.

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>>54596049
>>54596024

His Turn 3...
>Chaos mops up Immolators & tries to take out Sabres, one dies
>Strider dies and explodes wounding the Tech Priest
>Rest of sisters dead
>Avenger gets shot out of the sky
>Things are mopped up in general, it is clear we will not lose.

Our Turn 3...
>WHERE THE FUCK WERE THOSE STORM TROOPERS
>Everything is dead in some way or another, Canoness & Tech Priest alive
>We agree to go out in glory... bro-hand-shake and charge a cunt, ignore the blight drones
>Fucker is locked into melee, we got this! Let's do this! Yeah! Wound a cunt!
>He didn't die...

His Turn 4....
>He Daemon Prince falls back. FUCK YOU MAN. LET US DIE IN GLORY
>Plague Zombies swarm into CQC
>Canoness dies and becomes zombie
>Tech Priest survives, fuck him. I should of killed the heretic. He clearly is one. He lead us to doom. Fucking Adeptus Mechanicus. [MANJAW SCREAMING INTENSIFIES]

Our Turn 4...
>Storm Troopers arrive and mow down several Plague Marines. A little to fucking late. Fuck you Scions.
>Sabre Platform wounds the Plague Drone
>Priest kills some zombies and survives again
>We call game

Man we fucked up HARD. Badly played. My list was poorly composed too as I didn't expect to go over 500pt today and just used spare shit.

Also, honest truth?
>Chaos dice was like 75% success. Every save. Every hit was amazing.
>Imperium dice was 20% success. We failed nearly everything

I am ashamed of today... it was fun but yeah. Big fat fuck up.

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>>54596168

>>54596079
I know they will, I'm saying they're not being consistent. Unless they removed all options from, say, SM captains that weren't included in the SM commander box, they're full of shit. If they allow me to put pieces on my IG commander that aren't available in the command squad box, they're full of shit.

>>54596152
No, no, that would be if I was saying stupid things.
I was saying things that are the truth, you know, like 'people are allowed to actually have fun'.

>>54596168
No REASONABLE Tournament organizer would.

>>54596168
Never. Those don't even remotely resemble anything other than plasmaguns.
Converting a combi-plasma isn't that hard. Take a plasma pistol, cut off hand or handle, glue to the bottom of a bolter, done.

>>54596065
Konor requires you to roll 3+ to bring in Storm Troopers from Turn 2 to Turn 4.

>>54596148
>You don't go measuring every model to make sure each and every space mans has the correct size scope and the right shaped magazine
No I just use my fucking eyes. That's the point of the different bits, is to be able to read what you're up against at a glance, not have to memorize what's actually different about every unit your opponent decides to field with proxy bullshit. That's putting the burden of memorization on the opponent, which is unfair and rude. Players always have the right to tell you to fuck off with proxies and play WYSIWYG.

Is it hard for me to memorize these things? No, but I still shouldn't have to do it. They're not my fucked up models. You have a responsibility to model them properly.

>>54596193
>buy 2 boxes of dudes just so you can properly model them

fuck off gw shill

>>54595165
wait, there's a new upgrade pack?

>>54596168
They look like normal plasma guns to me. Combiguns usually look like a horrible mishmash of bolter and the abortion of whatever gun is attached to it.

If we were playing WYSIWYG I'd say 'fuck no.'

Since I'm not a colossal prick I'd let it slide in a casual game.

>>54596193
>I have never looked at SM scout models, yet here I am, acting like I have

>>54596220
>ask for answer
>gets it
>REEEE SHILL UWAAAAA

Local game store running it's first tournament using some of the ITC missions. Also the first tournament I've played in. Most people running pretty casual lists. Any general advice?

So since gw removed libby and chappy on bikes for space marines, will we dangles also lose our bike HQs? Or will it be our flavor?

Also calling the release of the Lion with our codex

>>54595765
There were a couple chapter tactics mentioned in previous threads but I don't remember them desu

>>54595941
>I play Deffskullz
No, I'm not going to stop modelling my boyz with pulse rifles and bolters just because you're autistic. Playing WYSIWYG armies is nice and all, but as long as the stand-ins aren't overly complex nobody should have an issue. I've played people using two assault marines as one biker base. Twenty year olds. Would I prefer if they didn't do that? By god, yes, but anyone who fucking reees about "This mek in a fifteen man burna squad is actually a burna" is socially retarded. The burna kit doesn't even come with a minimum squad of burnas.

>>54596204
>Unless they removed all options from, say, SM captains that weren't included in the SM commander box, they're full of shit.
I believe they did.

>If they allow me to put pieces on my IG commander that aren't available in the command squad box, they're full of shit.
They do in the index, but good luck finding those options when the Codex comes out.

>>54596228
I have some, it's entirely possible, just requires a bit of effort.

Cloaks are cool though.

>>54596234
>Most people running pretty casual lists.
Punish their weakness and trust.

And what fucking advice do you want without any army?

>>54596204
Mult-meltas are still allowed on dreadnoughts, which is confusing because the only dread that has a multi-melta was from the Assault on Black Reach starter set like 3 editions ago.

>>54596242
We haven't seen any Legion tactics at all, only Stratagems.

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>>54596201
TLDR: 80% of our army was wiped by turn 2 due to gross negligence on the part of the Adeptus Mechanicus. A strong letter has been written.

>>54596247
>a bit of effort

More like modelling whole new arms for them, since most of their arms are attached to the cloaks.

>>54596258

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/MKIV-Dreadnought-Multi-Melta-Right-Arm

you can still get it

>>54596258
Well, those are still sold via the Vedros kits, so I guess GW counts that as a point in their favor.

>>54596271
Nah, just cut the rifle grips off and cut hands to accommodate as needed.

>>54595843
>Whats alpha legions chaos facade up to
Ftfy

>>54596244
>I believe they did.

Nope, still everything possible that was possible before with Captain wargear. The captain on bike is also still in the codex.

Tactical squads are also allowed to choose any heavy weapon, despite only having a missile launcher in the kit.

>>54596259
yeah, that, I got them mixed

>>54596058

But anon why are you worried, GW does make a Warboss on a bike model, they sell it here:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-CA/Ork-Warboss-on-Bike

Unless GW only makes rules for models that are made by one specific part of their company, which would leave us in the strange case of them making a model that doesn't have rules.

>>54596281
Same goes for twin heavy bolters, flamers and autocannons, yet those options are gone.

>>54596281
Forge world doesn't count. Otherwise GW would have not removed all those IG artillery pieces from the codex or conversion beamers from techmarines.

>>54596302
Forge World stuff never gets rules in the Codexes. Not even the Indexes.

>>54595983
The fist displayed isn't one that comes with the NDK kit, all of them are closed fists.
Seems a bit much for a conversion to chop up one of the hands just to make a pointing finger

>>54596234
run a casual list, go have fun and make some friends

>>54596302
FW makes a conversion beamer techmarine, yet I don't see Conversion Beamer in the ranged weapon list in the new codex.

>>54596316
That page straight up tells us it's a conversion. If they were releasing a kit we would know by now. The next new models to come out will be Death Guard.

>>54596325
>yet I don't see Conversion Beamer in the ranged weapon list in the new codex.
It's in the Index, and Index is compatible.

>>54596286
>doing something that's not in the official instructions

Sounds like WAACshit to me...

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>>54596148
Go get the metal space marine sniper scout model off eBay silly boy.

>>54596302
>strange case of them making a model that doesn't have rules.
Korvydae.

Also, Necrosius and Arkios lack models.

>>54595765
no new models.
but they've got legion traits for 7 legions plus renegades and a bunch of startagems and warlord traits.

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>>54596311
...no they arnt

>>54596339
For how long?

What was the leaked release schedule?

>>54596360
THE 7 major chaos marine legions no less :^)

>>54596349

They might not advertise it as such, but the chaos sorcerer of Nurgle FW sells is Necrosius.

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>>54596221

>>54596371
this pls

>>54596369
Indefinitely, I believe. Or at least for the duration of the edition.
There are a couple other things in the Index that didn't get codex rules.

>>54596384
>9 Shoulderpads, one short of a full squad

Damn that is scummy.

>>54595197

What's the problem?

>>54596415
What the hell are you on about?

>>54596415
Aggressor shoulder pads probably don't go on regular primarines.

>>54596419
>Black
>Templar
>Librarian

>>54596376
They gave dark angels new models?

>>54596384
if only the helmets and the gear and the fluff weren't so atrocious

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So, why aren't their female Chaos space marines?

>>54596415
5 regular marine pads and one regular dearest pad
2 aggressor pads and 1 aggressor seargent pad

What's are you talking about?

My friends Dad said he'd sell me 50 ish boyz plus a few nobz, and 5 lootaz without any of the extra bits. For 80$. Is it worth?

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>>54596368
Oh rly ?

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>>54596437
Because because chaos space marines aren't space marine enough for GW to update,

>>54596437
First, (You).
Settle for MTF Slaaneshis. It's even more 'progressive' and degenerate.
Should be satisfactory.

>>54596426

The Black Templars have a long and broud history to record and much lore in the art of warfare to remember. Why wouldn't they have brothers sworn to this solemn duty?

>played a game against orks with my nids.
> I was on defense.
>Turn 1 weird boy jumped his squad move to my back line and jumped my carnifex.
>Storm boys followed
>Carnifex tanks like a champ through the shooting and charge
>my strategy is thrown out the window
>still got 3 lictors to kill the weird boy
>Carnifex survived to charge a 20 grot squad and do work.
>Won with numbers
>we both had a blast
>points off of imperium

>>54596451
Depending on the condition, yes.

>>54596467
The Chaplains pull double duty.

>>54596469
*jumped his nobs to my backline

>>54596454
so just use the index profiles, nothing stopping you

I'm fairly sure there is a GW post saying that using index profiles is fine if it wasnt updated in the codex

Are bare bones assault squads worth it as a delivery system for x2 flamers with 12" movement speed plus deep strike?

Because honestly I can't see any other use of assault squads seeing as vanguards are like two points more for an extra attack, but don't get access to flamers.

>>54596489
Nope.
Use Meltaguns (check FAQ).

>>54596437
Because they are Emperor's Children that got a sex change through Slaanesh, which doesn't count.

>>54596486
Yeah that's not what the discussion is about retard. We all know you use the indexes for squatted options, the whole point is that those things are not in the codex and you need both books.

>>54596486
>if it wasnt updated in the codex

Protip: Dreadnoughts were.

>>54596478

They are busy enough proclaiming the emperor's good word and seeing to the mental conditioning of the marines

>>54595606

Aren't there renegade knights that ally with Chaos?

>>54596509
Pro-ertip: the weapons weren't

>>54596494
You mean that FAQ bit that allows BLOOD ANGELS assault squads to still use wargear they were always allowed to use, which set them apart from regular assault marines ?

>>54596508
oh fair enough, but in that case why the fuck are people surprised

>GW makes it so you need to spend more money

In other news rain is wet

>>54596527

Absolutely, and you get to go ham with the green stuff daemoning them up too.

>>54596541
Yes.
You weren't seriously asking about taking RAS outside of Blood Angels, were you?

>>54596548
>>GW makes it so you need to spend more money
GW IS p2W?????!!!?!??!?!?!?!ONE!

>>54596531
Yes they were: >>54596454

>>54596562
I'm more shocked by his other revelation

>>54596562

>p2w
Not really, sucking at warhammer isn't any cheaper.

>>54596369
They said as long as the codex doesn't have rules for something that is in the index you can use them

>>54596548
Maybe I'm giving the other guys in this thread too much credit and they were actually arguing with you that those things are completely gone for good, who knows.

I'm gonna go work on my cityfight terrain.

>>54596348
those poses are really nice

>>54596578
True, water isn't wet in the most strict definition of wet.

>>54596580
fuck

>>54596564
Huh thats odd you must have this new type of vision where you can see an updated twin autocannon profile in there

man I need to get myself some of that, i'm clearly missing out

>>54596415
Just use the regular Ultramarines Upgrade Sprue. The pauldrons are compatible.

>>54596559

Well.. maybe

>>54596588
>those things are completely gone for good, who knows.
Mortis dreadnought, pal.

>>54596559
>RAS
How is it over at Bolter & Chainsword these days?

>>54596585
>>54596607
What a convenient loophole, that way GW can never remove anything or change the options for anything, because you can just go "well, you didn't UPDATE it, so I'll just use the old rules to give this unit those options you removed."

Yeah, that'll stick.

>>54596454

>Multi-Melta
>No part in the kit, only dreadnought with it is out of print or sold in sets not available from GW stores or the webstore

What is this heretical conversion and bits store encouraging garbage? Next thing you know innocent hobbyists will be buying the dread multimelta forge world sells!

>>54596641
Time to dust off my Doomrider I guess !

>>54596641
>What a convenient loophole, that way GW can never remove anything or change the options for anything

except they can via index errata

>>54596244
Did any of you read the Codex FAQ?
>There are a few options that are missing in the codex that appear in the index: why is that? Does that mean I can’t use these models in my army anymore?
>While the indexes are designed to cover a long history of miniatures, the codexes are designed to give you rules for the current Warhammer 40,000 range. There are a few options in the indexes for some Characters and vehicles that are no longer represented in the Citadel range – certain Dreadnought weapons that don’t come in the box, or some characters on bikes, for example.
>Don’t worry though, you can still use all of these in your games if you have these older models. In these instances, use the datasheet from the index, and the most recent points published for that model and its weapons (currently, also in the index).
>They still gain all the army wide-bonuses for things like Chapter Tactics and can use Space Marines Stratagems and the like, so such venerable heroes still fit right in with the rest of your army.

>>54596641
Balthasar and Kranon and co. have rules fuccboi.

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>>54596646
>can't even into Battle of Vedros

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So this is what I had -intended- to run today.

What I have 'in the pipes' - 3 Penitent Engines, 9 Repentia, 3 Death Cultists. I'm thinking of making 12 Crusaders, and a group (or two) of Acolytes for an Inquisitor. Some priests... General theme: Crusade!

All that is pictured + the above shit will easily put me around 1000-1250.

What can I add to salvage the functionality of the army? The melee shit will 'function' - but not be great. What can augment them for up to 2K?

They're getting ready to kill off Dante.

>>54596679

I literally referenced battle for vedros in the post you're replying to you blind fuck

>>54596715
>speaking in memes
What'd you expect? People to go look it up. Grow up, speak like an adult.

>>54596730

>Sold in sets not available from GW stores or the webstore

>Speaking in memes

>>54596685
>>54595696

Also forgot to share one more thing from todays battle.

>Someone comes up, sees my sisters
>"What company are these?"
>GW
>"These aren't Citadel models, Citadel makes Plastic. Forgeworld Resin"
>We all tell him it's from the late 90s
>He doesn't get it
>Proceeds to pick up the Power Lifter
>"Why is it different colors? Is that plastic? Is this even a GW model?"
>He keeps questioning if any of my models are GW products because they're all old models or OOP FW shit.

>>54596679
Isn't that a repack of the previous starter set?

>old finecast terminator librarian has rad as fuck combi plasma with the guns arranged side by side (like a storm bolter)
>no other combi gun does this
fucking why.

>>54596715
Yes, and I am laughing at your inability to get Vedros boxes purely because you can't order them from the GW webstore.

I guess I was being too clever for you to notice it.

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what do you guys think of this eldar list for a 1000 pt first game of 8th edition
>inb4 npc race

farseer w singing spear-120
dire avengers + exarch w/duel catapults-5-92*2
dark reapers + exarch with tempest-5-187x2-spearhead-
fire prism w/ shurikan cannon-175 + targetting array
shadow specters w/ exarch prism blaster-124// or wave serphant w/3 shurican cannons
-977/996

>>54596783

>Late 90's

Try 1992

>>54596801

Oh, you're being an idiot.

Giving codex options for a kit you need to, from GW's perspective, jump through hoops for is out of alignment with them removing Autocannons.

Were there ever metal sisters of silence? I see some on eBay but I've never seen them before in my life and can't find any pictures online either

So, here's a little question. It's actually for a game of dark heresy but it tends to be a bit dead over in that general.
If an orthodox tech-priest encountered equipment (weapons, armour, technology in general) that has been used by heretics (or even hereteks), but it's no more blasphemed than 'they scratched chaos stars into it and stuff', what would they do with it? Just destroy it all? Reconsecrate it?
What about if it was something originally pretty serious (omnissian axe, for instance) but it had been heavily defaced and blasphemed? Or if it was something fairly regular like a chainsword or something but it was being used by something extra-heretical like a daemon?

>>54596796
The Blood Angels Termie libby does.

>>54596503
or half of a sex change

>>54596802
Drop the dire avengers.
You can take a squad of 10 guardians with a shuriken cannon for the same points as 5 Dire avengers
And the singing spear probably isn't worth it either.

Huh. Auxilliary grenade launchers for intercessors have no point costs.

Guess they're an auto include.

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>>54596796
Yes they do. Only because GLORIOUS BISHIES love A S E T H E T I C ' S. Making functional and beautify stuff, not meme 'functional' stuff like Sallies do, but they're bros and didn't rat us out to the Inquisition when Dante literally tried to rip Tu'shans throat out whilst under the Red Thirst.

Then again I think the book 'Dante' retconned that.

>>54596826
>Oh, you're being an idiot.

It's ok, anon, I forgive you.

>Giving codex options for a kit you need to, from GW's perspective, jump through hoops for is out of alignment with them removing Autocannons.

Not really. It's still a plastic GW kit they are making and selling, where as autocannons are Forge World, and that's no good when it comes to GW.

>>54596890
According to French anons, the translation is the same, so they're 4pts I think. They put some other word in the English one.

>>54596890
They're named wrong in the points section as Astartes Grenade Launchers, 11ppm.

But at least one non-English translation has them at 4ppm.

Wait for errata.

Fuck yeah Michigan! Winter is coming for the imperium those fuckers are putting in work for the gods!

>>54596843
Mechanicum is borderline heretical at the best if times desu senpai. My guess is just "depends on whether the magos in charge thinks they can get away with using it." The higher up the more likely. Cawl always and then excavate the planet to find more for example.

>>54595950
>no armor
>changes to cover makes them even worse

How much does Imperium soup lists bother you

I haven't played in years I am seriously considering adding AdMech and a Knight to my old SM/IG army

Man so many cool new models to play with, and I love how derpy the Kastelan robots are

>>54595840
did you carve that head out of a beaky?

>>54596945
To be clear though, this is explicitly for a more Orthodox tech-priest. I know radical ones would just go 'OH BOY SHINY THINGS', but I also know of canon cases of the Imperial Guard ending up with refurbished rifles used by cultists (gaunt's ghosts) so there must be some widespread use of stuff like that. I just don't know how 'mainline' that is for the most part, and where the borders lie between 'we can fix this' and 'just take a fucking hammer to it and shed a single oily tear for it's tortured soul'.

>>54596964
Nah that's MKII or MKIII I'm pretty sure.