40KG WARHAMMER: 40,000 GENERAL

>>54592825
first for the Sisters of Battle.

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>>54592825
good work anon

Should I play Alpha Legion primaris successors or Dark Eldar?

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First for heresy.

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Play any cool games today anon?

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>>54592855
delet

>>54592867
No, and I dont even get to play in Konor. No painting for a month either.

But on the upside I am in flight school, which is nice.

>>54592853
How about playing Alpha Legion primaris successors who are actually loyal to the elder

you never know with those fucks

>>54592855
new EC models?

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Flamebelcha coming along nicely, this kit is beautiful

>>54592855
With a few less this would be great, one of my plans for a 35k emperors children
>>54592867
>Valhallan dude is among us
>his opponent uses goblin green bases
Truly we are blessed

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>>54592842
Y E S

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>>54592855
The Glam Marines, a weapon to surpass Metal Gear

>>54592932
who makes these? theyre awesome

>>54592922
What's the end result and what will you use this fantasy model for

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>>54592932

>>54592656
What is actually happening on the local level?

How is your store, /tg/, Imperium or Chaos?

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>>54592937
No. This is a weapon to surpass Metal Gear.

I'm looking for a good alternative to Eldar Rangers. Looked through the AoS shit and nothing seems to quite fit or would be a massive paint to convert to hold long rifles.

Willing to go third party.

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>>54592867
Your guard make me fully erect, man.

Played my sisters against some nurgle daemons. Immolators and Dominions are king right now.

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>>54592943
A lad called Steeljoe

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>>54592954
By the emperor

I feel like some steps are missing

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>>54592946
Something.... BURNY

still no pdf?

>>54592920
Will we get legion upgrade kits at least
>>54592953
60% chaos, although the hive tyrant destroying the primaris dread is probably essential to that percentage

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Re-posting from the last thread:

How do I make non-ratling snipers viable? Command Squads with rifles maybe?

Not hating on sniper hobbits, I just really like the IG sniper models (the various metal ones, that is).

So Hellblasters are now super OP and better than vet squads and devs. Intercessors are better than tacticals. Aggressors are nuts and better than Terminators. Centurions were nerfed. Inceptors are the best plasma deepstrikers. Redemptor is the best Dreadnought. Repulsor is a Land Raider for 50 points cheaper. Thank god Reivers don't get jump packs so manlets are at least useful for something.

>>54592954
That's not one model
>>54592957
Try the shadow spectre and cut the rifle in half
>>54592962
>sisterfags are included in an imperium win
Can't wait for them to get banned from my local club

>>54593005
>Can't wait for them to get banned from my local club

Justify your heresy.

>>54592985
>haha T-Theres no way P-P-Primashit will be better than my glorious marines ever haha

Anybody got a pirate 8th Spersh Marayns Codex?

Thanks

>>54592985
Except if you pay the points for jump packs then your assault manlets are 16ppm, while Reivers are 18ppm for 2 wounds each, can disable Overwatch and give the opponent -1 to hit in CC, have a leadership debuff aura, and can just be infiltrated into position with the Raven Guard Stratagem.

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>>54592980
Use the other IG snipers as ratlings

Thinking about making an army based around centurions, terminators and primaris intercessors and inceptors (maybe reivers too, but aggressors just don't do it for me, basically everything has multiple wounds) is it possible to cover all bases with them?

>>54592973
You know Smaug has a resin model right
>>54592985
You forgot 40 rapid fire shots

>>54592957
what about the high elf archer ladies from AOS? sisters of averlorn or whatever.

>>54592778
>tfw i'm gonna turn in 8 points of painted guard on monday to flip my store to imperium
upset that we're enjoying the hobby friend ?

>>54592825
I want an Imperium/CSM "character spam" army

How would I approach this ?

A lot of single model "one against many" elements in an army for both shooting and assaulting.

Inquisitors in Term armour with psycannons? (they got psyk spells)

Anything better ?

>>54592985
But Reivers kinda do, grapnel launchers allow them to ignore any vertical distance when moving.

>>54593011
Whenever people play them they make me stand at the table edge and they have to check distances to the models, in fear I whip them with the tape measure
Autistic I know

> it's a imperium/order will dominate the whole campaign again episode

smart move to release a brand new line of space marines during the campaign, GW. that certainly will not affect the outcome.

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Hydra Dominatus.

>>54592980
Here is how it goes IRL
>buy sniper models you like
>go to flgs
>"Hey bro, i'm proxying thoses as ratlings.
>"Ok lets go, but let me get my beer first"

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>>54593031
I-its a "mount" for my Warboss anon.... I thought Burny would be enough of a hint, but im also retarded

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>>54593025
And why would I do that

>>54592980
elysian sniper teams have 2 wounds, bs3+ a 5+ save , can deep strike and are 7ppm

>>54592985
>Repulsor is a Land Raider for 50 points cheaper.
Plus more small arms guns, an AA option, debuffs the opponents charge rolls, has FLY, and has exclusive rights to transport all the different Chads mentioned in your post that are better than their manlet counterparts as well.

>>54593046
You're right they can just deepstrike with Grav Chutes as well. So they are 2ppm less than Vanguard Veterans with a better pistol, same attacks, and 2W for less move.

>>54592980
I've yet to see anyone, ANYONE complain about using kneeling IG as ratling squads.

Just base them differently then the rest of the army so your opponent clearly sees and remembers which unit they are.

>>54593039
Post it bitch
>>54593040
Chaos sorcerers and summo Belakor

>>54593079
2ppm more I mean.

>>54593005
Who cares? Like it's gonna change anything.

>Those who cast the vote decide nothing, those who count the vote decide everything

In other words, GW will just pretend Chaos didn't win or not record it correctly or something.

>>54593025
Somebody uploaded all the rules that count last thread. Nobody is scanning 200 pages for nothing in return. Wait until somebody buys the pdf and uploads it, but if I were them, I wouldn't, because you guys never shut the fuck up. Just buy the fucking thing or go and ask >>>/wsr/ or Reddit or something.

>>54593055
>chaos is winning in all but America because burgerkeks banned chaos imports due to sharp edges

>>54592980
>Take normal Sniper models
>Play as Ratlings
>?????
>Profit

>>54592985
I think you meant
>Hellblasters are now actually a viable option and not the overcosted garbage they were before
>Intercessors are good, with interesting options, but cannot justify their cost with firepower alone, so you need to find ways to make the most of them
>Aggressors are fantastic tarpit-clearers who are horrifically fragile on a per-unit basis (6 Wounds at T5 3+ is not tough) and can punch out the Rhino your opponent sends at them to shut them up
>Redeptor is a good Dreadnought, but not bullshit like a Grav-Flux Leviathan and actually reasonably priced
>Repulsor is bristling with guns but struggles to find uses as anything but an Aggressor taxi

Come on, man. Yes, their stuff is good now, but not THAT good, stop shit-stirring.

>>54592985
>Hellblasters better than Devastators

For some things. Not really in the case of their heavy guns vs plasma cannons, and they can -only- do plasma.

>Intercessors better than tacs

Doubtful, point for point.

>Aggressors are nuts and better than Terminators.

At anti-horde. Temmies have other roles and their shooty ones were always the shittiest.

>Centurions were nerfed.

Well, shooty ones. Still, you're half right this time.

>Inceptors are the best plasma deepstrikers.

I wasn't aware that was a role that needed filling.

>Redemptor is the best Dreadnought.

Hahahaha that is gloriously ignorant. Redemptors are mono-role and have competition even for the one thing they do.

>Repulsor is a Land Raider for 50 points cheaper.

Yeah, but it's ugly as shit.

>>54593079
You don't even need the chutes, since the hooks lets you enter the game 6" from any table edge (as long as you're 9" away from the enemy), letting your dudes get close to some juicy targets behind enemy lines.

I'm a little torn which one to give my Reivers.

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>>54593061
Eh boss, dis be a better mount

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>>54592825
so the chapter relics dont have a points cost associated with them so how the fuck is GW going to balance them if players inevitably find some broken combos?

yeah the answer is they wont cause they dont care
/rant

>>54593109

when I look at the page Imps controll at least over 60% of each sector.

>>54593037
The way their arms are would not be within my conversion ability to change to a position where they'd be holding a rifle. Much of the Wood Elf line has a look I like, but no good way to re-pose the arms.

>>54593109
Most of my stores around me are Imperial or neutral. We even got a total score yet? Yesterday Imperium was winning 65/35.

>>54593061
It was. Everyone with two brain cells to rub together understood what your Flamebelcha was meant for the first time around. It's also a great idea. Proceed.

>>54593129
>they can -only- do plasma.

Sure, but their heavy incinerator is S8 and can overcharge to S9 and Dmg. 2. Throw in a cheap captain to let them re-roll To Hit rolls of 1, and they can do some damage.

But they're not perfect by any means.

>>54593129
>I wasn't aware that was a role that needed filling.

Where were you the last 4 edition ?

for those with SM codex what the fook is auxilary granade luncher - the rules says 11 points for Astraters granade louncher is this the same shit or what ! ?

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>>54593129
>Yeah, but it's ugly as shit.
It's sleek perfection

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>>54593191

>>54593148
>GW changed stormraven wording just to fuck with Death Stars
Sure they'll just let all those sales go to waste

>>54593148
>REEE-ing for no fucking reason
Here's the balance: You get ONE. Just ONE. 1. If you want more, you pay Command Points for them. And the ones in the Space Marine Codex range from niche trash (Burning Blade) to merely good (Shield Eternal, Primarch's Wrath). There's nothing remotely game-breaking in there. They're just some fun, fluffy additions.

>>54593211
>grenades don't ignore cover

>>54593202
The only problem is where to put all those turret-mounted weapons if you want to get rid of it. I broke my head trying to figure out how to nicely convert it.

>>54593238
Grenades never ignored cover?

But if you use the cities of death rules (which everyone should at all times) they get huge buffs against infantry in ruins.

>>54592985
>Imperial Fist Hellblasters
Hide behind walls all you like, you are never getting a save again.

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Hey all, now that I am painting up my IG army I have to start thinking about composition. I have ~30 of these little faggots and some tallarn squads and was thinking about making a skirmisher IG army, with tallarn guardsmen and lots of ratlings.

Would that be a remotely viable army core in this day and age of overpriced and overpowered bullshit LOW the size of my forearm?

>>54593235
>not abusing the Command Point strat to give all your dudes relics since you can use the strat multiple times to get multiple relics for 1CP each rather than having to pay 3CP for 2.

>>54593259
Exept nobody hide against imperial fists and just go balls out agressive from the start.

>>54593129
>Hahahaha that is gloriously ignorant. Redemptors are mono-role and have competition even for the one thing they do

They aren't mono role at all 4 s14 d6 attacks against vehicles and 18 HB shots and 8 bolter shots against infantry. Its the only all around multi-target effective dread besides the leviathan.

>>54593256
You do know the point of a grenade right

>>54593235
You get one per spess muhreen detachement, Enjoy scout, buffed up HQ, scout buffed up HQ, actual force.

>>54593148
No, but there is limitations. You can only get 1, you have to use CP for more. A unit can only have 1 each. Some can't be given to certain units (Primaris can't take Primarch's Wrath for example).

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So are they gonna make chad terminators?

>>54593268
>overpriced LoW
No it's actually better to do many large units now
And why aren't you filling up the gaps on those squat bases

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>>54593268
>30 ratlings

>>54593271
They get to enjoy the universes finest bolter drill then.

>>54593268
You are clearly misunderstood on the state of the game.
1) Ratling is one of the most broken units with some top player fielding 80 of them. YUGELY POPULAR in 8th.
2) Most LoW are Turboshit.

>>54593278
To provide troops with explosive ordnance for clearing out enemy positions?

>>54593191
stupid fucking GW. In the french leak it has the same name in the intercessor squad and in the point cost table. The price was 4 points. No idea what the fuck happened in the english version.

>>54593288
They are called gravis.

>>54593292
bought off eBay. Will fix the bases or just replace them at some point.

>>54593175

I was in the meta where flame and meta were the deep striking thing of choice.

Yeah, there were some combi-plas suicide units, but those were expensive suicide units. The people who relied on those were desperate or retarded.

Whilst redundancy in a list is important, you should plan a unit to be able to contribute at any time, not once, unless it's utterly throwaway cheap. Leave the chess style piece trading for after you hit the board.

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Got the double dex release, not the date

>>54593302
I haven't played regularly since 2003 so I only surmised that LOW were bullshit based on their appearance.

If ratlings are broke that makes me want to field them less, since I don't want to be some WAAC fagmaster. There are enough of those around.

>>54593269
Which part of "not that amazing" is so hard to get?
Also, how many Characters do you intend to take? Or do you want to give Teeth of Terra and shit to random Sergeants just because you have more Relics to throw around? Whoops, you can't, only Characters can take them and only one per Character at that.

>>54593238
Not even flamers ignore cover

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>>54593312
beergut armor replaces terminators. i hope not

>>54593320
Already been addressed, that's almost certainly just bullshit.

>>54593211
great now find points cost for it at the end of the book ...

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Hey /tg/ i got into 40k last year with orks, with only a starter box and another box of boyz. So what happens now with the 8th edition transition?

Will all the 40k models including orks be getting upgraded models like the primaris?

Should i wait until that happens or just keep getting orks?

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>Chaos is going to win this campaign because xenofags are deliberately destroying Imperial point gains AND Imperialfags are submitting non-painted armies

Thanks lazy fucks, Chaos wins cause hur dur grimderp.

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>>54592883
There is nothing obsolete about the Emperor's Children, anon.

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>>54593387
>Will all the 40k models including orks be getting upgraded models like the primaris?

>>54593285
>a unit can only have one
thats great to hear, i didnt know that

its kinda unfortunate that theyre all 1cp cause i bet that theyre not all equal so here comes the problem with PL again - the lesser options wont be taken, ever

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Considering buying an army. Please halp TG! Sorry if this is the wrong thread?

A guy is selling his Blood Angels army and I'm pretty interested. Can TG help me decide if it's a good buy?

Help me answer these questions:

I like the brown/green army color of the tanks and bikes, but could I easily repaint those to make them more bloody?
How good would this army be in 8th edition? Do the BA have good rules?
Are those dreadnaughts safe to paint? Looks like the primer is cracked but I can't tell.


Here is what he is selling and he's asking about 400 for it. Seems like a great deal to me but..

http://imgur.com/a/sq9gR

Crafting gear includes;
- dozens of paints in various colors, shades, and purposes
- a couple of pigments
- some texture paints
- a decent amount of "green stuff"
- various files, a modeling saw
- two clippers
- molding tool
- crafting knife w/ extra blades

---Models---

**Painted**
1 Thunderhawk Gunship (magnetized)
1 Land Raider (magnetized with various attachments)
1 Predator / Rhino (magnetized with the attachments for a Razorback or Rhino setup)
1 Custom Librarian w/ Wings (taken from a Sanguinary Guard box)
1 Death Company Chaplain w/ Terminator Armor
3 Attack Bikes (magnetized heavy weapons)
5 Scouts (w/ Sniper Rifles, four have cloaks, one has goggles)
9 Death Company Marines
10 Devastators (painted and kitted as Flesh Tearers w/ Rocket Launchers)
25 Assault Marines (all w/ jump packs, kitted in various loadouts)

**Unpainted**
3 Dreadnoughts (one Librarian, one Death Company, one standard issue)
15 Death Company Marines (w/ jump packs and various kits)
17 Marines (2 w/ heavy weapons, some can be made into Sternguard if one would wish to do so)

>>54593278
to provide indirect fire ?

>>54593387
orks probably wont get anything. They still sell these for fucks sake.

>>54593387
Yes, your Orks are going to be worthless in a year.

>>54593145
>airplane mode

Where you headed anon?

>>54593420
Guy posted rules last thread re Relics.

>>54593347
they used to be in 7th
8th completly changed it
this is the edition of the humble troop slot

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>>54593423
forgot pic

>>54593387
nobody knows so take a guess
gw dont communicate shit

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>>54593423
>>54593447

Wtf i hate games workshop now

>>54593446
>this is the edition of the humble troop slot

That's how the game should be. I'm loving it.

>>54593304
And what type of enemy positions
>>54593312
No gravis is centurion armour you mong
>>54593361
Fugg, so people die more from morale, cover is more important, truly troops are blessed

>>54593459
Only now? And because of this? I mean the model's been continuously for sale for ~20 years so that sounds more like your fault for not noticing.

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>>54593398
It's literally the first week and we're still leading against both the Xenos and Chaos. Next week we get painting points for different stuff, so there's more points, and it's hardly like we're being curbstomped. We're doing fine and will almost certainly take at least this week of the campaign.

I do know that any Admech player who does not turn out fucking everything they have for defending the planet Konor is a heretek of the highest order, whether they were radical or orthodox before. We help our own, dammit, these forges will hold.

>>54593387
Pick up index xenos 2 and wait two years for a codex
>>54593398
>imperium is beaten by painted fire warrior devil fish spam tau armies
Truly we are living in the best timeline PRAISE STEIN;S GATE

Alpha Legion primaris successors or wait for CSM update and play actual chaos Alpha Legion?

>>54593402
What do drag queens even do now that gay bars are shutting down
>>54593420
>lesser options won't be taken unless I'm playing someone who actually liked to have fun

>>54593490
well cover is not that great anymore compared to what it used to be

>>54593421
I don't really know shit about the state of the tabletop right now, or how shitty/good of a deal that might be. However, I'm pretty sure those are Dark Angels, not Blood Angels. The latter are scarlet red.

(dark angels are cooler than blood angels anyway and the picture is of an interrogator-chaplain who are fucking rad)

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>>54593387
Nah, you'z fine.

>>54593421
That's not a thunderhawk but np.

>>54593398
Repostan
Xenos here are either IoM friends or chaotic neutral

xenos konor allegiances right here
eldar greatest ally

Necrons
http://www.strawpoll.me/13546406

Eldar
http://www.strawpoll.me/13546410

T'au
http://www.strawpoll.me/13546413

Dark Eldar
http://www.strawpoll.me/13546417

Tyranids
http://www.strawpoll.me/13546419

>>54593421
How much
£150 would be my highest

>>54593421
A FUCKING THUNDERHAWK? ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?

Just picked up my first start collecting.

Is it worth magnetising kabalite warriors (at least a handful of em) like I did my wyches, or are they likely to remain static enough that I shouldn't bother?

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Thoughts on the Blight Launcher? It seems a bit like the autocannon to me, caught between two uses and suffering for it.

Its relatively expensive at 14 points, and is Assault 2, 24", S6, AP -2, D3 damage and rerolls 1 to wound.

What would you use it against? The extra damage is wasted on infantry and its not really strong enough to wound most vehicles on a 3 or 4.

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>>54593544
>NOT LISTIN ORKS

GUD. YOU KNOW WE'Z KRUMPIN YA BOTH.

>>54593429
>not using airplane mode because it saves battery and all your friends use WhatsApp so the government can't remove you from university for sexist memes

>>54593562

Yeah I know, no point polling the orks

>>54593570
/pol/ plz

>>54593530
>as good as it used to be
>flamers denied cover
>cover saves would never be used because your armour was always better
Explain

anyone else think that SM librarians are usless now ?

>>54593421
>>54593534
Actually, hang on. I didn't look at the full album until now. Those are definitely Blood Angels.

>>54593490
>And what type of enemy positions

Various?

You can toss them into rooms, you can lob them into trenches, at vehicles and even just at dudes standing out in the open. But none of those "ignore cover." First thing we were taught about grenades was to take cover. Why would you take cover if they ignore cover? Even a shallow ditch can save you, unless the grenade is in the ditch with you. Just like a shallow ditch can save you from incoming fire, unless the enemy shooting you is in the ditch with you. Or standing by the side of the ditch, shooting into it. A grenade shouldn't ignore cover anymore than any other explosive ordnance.

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>That feel when no Fungus beer to drink before heading out and Krumpin eads wit da boyz

>>54593459
>now

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>>54593528
I assume that they shall continue their work in secret.

>>54593559
Aren't Gravis Marines T5?

Probably 'meant' for them

>>54593559
Multiwound small things, primaris, termies, bikes, crisits suits etc.

>>54593552
Actually when he sent detail pics he said it wa a stormraven gunship?

>>54593556
Nope just buy more warriors
>>54593559
It's guard that have extra wounds and synapse creatures
But yeah how good are autocannons vs rhinos now

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>>54593605
>Mfw I don't know that feel

>>54593398
For years, xenos and chaos alike have been cucked by release after release of space fag. It is only natural that they ally against the "NPC race" meme spammers.

>>54593501
Don't ultrafags get huge point bonuses just for showing up? I could have sworn the campaign was supposed to be rigged with things like that, though I haven't bothered looking at the thing in a while.

>>54593595
well grenades can easily be explained away by the grenade falling short and exploding infront of the barricade , or simply a random piece of rubble in a ruin
but flamers are retarded , i figured they would give them a -1 ap standard but nope

>>54592867
> see small pic of batrep
> batrep on /tg/
> expect shit painted/gray model
> oh wait. Everything is painted
> and the board has nice terrain
Am I in fucking bizarro /tg/

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To anyone with the Codex: Have Intercessors gotten a points reduction? Any points reductions at all among Primaris Marines?

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>>54593634

Git

>>54593549
He is asking 400 USD. So.. yeah.

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I knew the place was full of tau players with gundam inspired paintjobs and conversions but damn

>>54593652
Last thread somebody posted all the post costs, strats, relics, tactical objectives and disciplines, warlord traits and so on.

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>>54593655

>>54593598
Jump pack guys seem good

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>>54593652
Here.

>>54593660

Is Chaos even that popular? I swear this campaign is making me doubt it

>>54593602
the confusion here is that the anon you were talking to remembered grenades NEGATING cover for the purposes of assault. You didn't used to be able to throw frag grenades, instead, they caused assault to resolve at normal initiative even when charging units in cover. If you didn't have grenades, you fought at initiative 1. I'm pretty sure that's what he misremembered into ignoring cover.

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>>54593652
>>54593683

>>54593421
those dreadnoughts are CAKED. You'd need to strip them and start again

>>54593683
>servitors are 2ppm
Eat your heart out memescripts.

>>54593602
Fortified positions, there's a reason bunkers have additional trenches near the windows, a shallow ditch saves you because then you aren't on the same level as the grenades

>>54593690
No, but xeno game winners can remove points from one side.

>>54593681
powers are shit - not one is usefull just shit all of them

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>>54592825
Vanguard heads or Rangers heads?


Digits or a convincing arguement decide. also what the hell should I run them as?

>>54593652
115 pts for 5 men with sergant with power sword and granade louncher (30" range for granades)

>>54593729
Rangers cause they look much cooler.

t. Unforgiven

>>54593652
Interscissors are the same. Robute is 10 points cheaper.

>>54593645
>nice terrain
>glumps of greenstuff put together then stuck in a mole and sold as trees

>>54593729
Go with the hoods.

>>54593690
The only reason Chaos has a chance here is because Xeno players can remove points from Imperial wins

>>54593722

I am aware, but it is the campaign results I've been seeing that makes it look like Chaos has most of its wins from Xenos and it is due to xenos things aren't even more one-sided.
That was what makes me wonder whether Chaos isn't the deserving of the title NPC here

>>54593729
Renegades and Heretics

>>54593690
IMO all the chaos fags fucked off to HH cause everyone loves legions except GW

>>54593716
They were 2ppm, they suck because you have to take servo-arms for 12 points.

>>54593595
I mean, it depends a lot on what you are playing and playing against but for me it seemed difficult to ignore both cover and armour, so you used to be able to rely on one of them. getting 4+ cover from ruins is preatty good compared to not getting any save if you were being shot at with plasma. But now you only need high enough ap and you can leave the opponent with no save at all.

>>54593753
I saw a store that had 15 Imperium wins, 30 xeno wins and 0 Chaos wins... the % was 100% Chaos. So...

>>54592897
Goto, leave this plot alone.

>>54593626
yeah that's what i thought
a stormraven is a 450£ forgeworld model
that said i stopped trying to count the model value when i got to the unpainted bit but i guess there is about 700€-750 € worth of stuff in there
depending on what currency it is in here is my advice
i'm assuming you already have tools
$: seems like a great deal , go for it
€ : meeeeeh most of them are painted and that usually means atleast a 50% price drop from nib, maybe wait and try to haggle unless you really specifically want this, keep in mind ebay is a cesspit , facebook groups are where the deals are at , the tools are probably amping up the price a bit , if you don't need them se if he'll drop em for 50€ or something
£ doesn't seem like an exceptionally good deal, not bad , just not wow

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>>54593656
Nope you can get them cheaper individually >>54593660
>the tau save konnor
Does anyone have a water caste as a merchant

>>54593788
>a stormraven is a 450£ forgeworld model
>stormraven
bruh

>>54593745
Why would you just tell lies like that. Roboute is exactly the same.

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>>54593753
>Chaos are the NPCs

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Won a game for chaos today, death guard vs space wolves. Konor will fall boiis.

>>54593729
Inquisition acolytes

>>54593718
>a shallow ditch saves you because then you aren't on the same level as the grenades

So grenades are suppose to be used against fortified positions because they ignore cover, yet a shallow ditch is enough to negate them...

>>54593753
It's hard to say - it could be that Xenos players are going out of their way to support Imp over Chaos to remind everyone that they exist and *ahem* could use a little more love.
Or it could just be the way these things shake out.
Oddly enough, I don't have any preference who wins - which doesn't really matter, since I'm playing IG. And probably going to lose.

>>54593788
Thanks. I'm kind of keen to paint my own and start from scratch but I thought maybe getting a battle ready army would help me get a feel.

Its actually on craigslist.

>>54593559
Absolutely wrecks primaris marines, of which you will find many people using. Anything multi wound will feel the hurt.

>>54593693
No I don't remember anything I'm thinking in a practical sense, when do you throw grenades, when assaulting a fortified positon to incapacitate them to easily go over their barricade and not be shot
>>54593729
Martian explorator team
they found a monster no one wanted but them

>>54593802
Sorry brah, I played three games and lost all three.

First was guilliman's force, rerolling EVERYTHING
Second was an IG gunline on a mostly empty board (not allowed to change the terrain)
Third was IF pulling all kinds of crazy shit out of the the new codex, heavy bolters doing 2d3 mortal wounds a turn.

I didn't stand a chance.

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>>54593802
How do you figure cowboy?

>>54593729
mix it up
hoodies on one squad, helmets on another

>>54593812
If a grenade enters a bunker and you can't get out the door, you die as it's on the same level as you. If a grenade lands in front of you, and you're in a ditch, you can duck and avoid the shrapnel.

But that's real life, where we literally reduced the power of grenades in western militaries to reduce the kill radius.

>>54593788
Stormraven is not forgeworld, it's plastic. That one is using a conversion kit to make it bigger I think.

mfw anon doesn't know difference between thunderhawk and storm raven

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Alright, somobviously this bastard is a very nice model, but what exactly is his role on the tabletop?
Yes, I get it, he buffs melee dudes, but exactly who do Primarines have that'd really need that? Intercessors and Hellblasters are shit in melee, Inceptors and Reivers have various movement options that he does not share and Aggressors want a Captain/CM to make the most of their guns and fists.

>>54593842
It's actually moved more for Chaos win since I last saw it half an hour ago, so that's cool.

>>54593842
The xenos will rally against the player character races.

>>54592985
Aaand there's the GW we all know!
>Nerf everything except Chadmarines
>Another price hike plus stupidly OP FW units.

>>54593774
15-15=0
7.5-7.5=0
Hard for sisters players to understand I know, but give it a try

>>54593842
not him but the UK has swung from hard Imperium to hard Chaos. Only the South remains relatively Chaos free. I live in Oxford and thankfully most of my stores are either equal (ie, neither) or Imperium. USA is the only nation keeping the world in Imperial hands.

>>54593852
Regular marines.

>>54593862
He is full of shit.

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Found pic related in my bits box. How do I make him look more scary?

>>54592867

Played one yesterday. Was supposed to be the first of three games in the FLGS' monthly tournament, but honestly after the first one I just felt so demoralized that I didn't play the other two.

My Orks played against a Primaris force lead by Gulliman. I had some good luck early on; my Kustom Mega Kannons were worth their weight in gold. I managed to Da Jump a 30 strong Boyz mob right into the face of an Intercessor squad then pulled off the charge too. My Tankbustas smashed two squads of Inceptors apart too, so things were going well.

Then everything started to fall apart. My 30 strong mob that had charged dragged down 6 Intercessors, but morale buffs and rerolls kept them in the fight. Then next turn they fell back and filled me with dakka thanks to Ultramarine chapter tactics, whilst the remaining Inceptors put out a revolting amount of shooting. Rerolling 1's on one side of the board was bad enough, but then the guys on the other side with Gulliman nearby started up. I was utterly gobsmacked at how powerful Gulliman was. Giving everything nearby rerolls to all failed hits and wounds? My whole right flank just fell apart.

During my next turn I used my Mek Gunz and Tankbustas to bring down the remaining Inceptors, only for each of them to successfully roll a 4+ and get a free round of shooting. I lost 16 Boyz to those guys dying. During my turn. I had two reduced units left on the left to charge in, and both promptly failed their charges.

>>54593865
How does that have anything with what I said? How does Chaos get 100% of the planet when they don't have a single win? Nice projection though.

>>54593870
How do I see every store at once?

>>54593852
Does he do exactly the same as a normal chaplain? If so anything you can use a normal one for except with 1 more wound probably

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>>54593870
'Hard chaos'

>>54593852
Intercessors are nearly as good at chopping as they are at shooting, charge the unit you've just shot at to finish it off.

>>54593894
https://konor.warhammer40000.com/

>>54593897
Re-read what I said.

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>>54593729
I love those bodies!

i dont play genestealers but I may have to copy off of you here and use different heads and use them as something else

>>54593870
>Oxford
Oxford city of Oxfordshire, I'm going off to uni there so which stores would you advise going to and which not, and how much longer will you be there for, if you're a student of course

>>54593904
>the UK has swung from hard Imperium to hard Chaos
How does that square with
>>54593897

>>54593849
>>54593788
i meant thunderhawk ofcourse
did the exact same thing as anon and switched them durr

>>54593886
thats not how half of that works

>>54593890
Chaos has 100% win because all imperial victories have been neutralised

>>54593852
Aggressors with flamers maybe, I dunno. I always felt chaplains weren't worth it over a chapter master anyway.

>>54593834
Is it easier to land a baseball within 10 feet of a guy

1. in a giant open field
2. in a rubble strewn ruin
3. standing outside of a bunker with the man inside

>>54593918
because that number includes the entire world, dingus. It's a global campaign. USA is keeping Konor in Imperium hands.

>>54593857
>racES
i think you meant race there friend
also it's spikey humans versus gothic humans so that means they're rallying against both sides ?

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>>54593068

Based FW making their elysian models OP for their fans so they don't buy ratlings instead.

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>>54593883
give him a bolt pistol and a beard

>>54593774
>>54593752
>>54593800

They expect new stuff all the time, are the most annoying, and it turns out there aren't even all that many of them.
Chaos, pretty pathetic desu senpai

I guess Chaos gets to exist as the cartoon villain for Guilliman and Xenos PC friends to triumph over now

Okay so one sec:

As far as I'm aware, there's not much to go by in Konor so far. It's just kinda, earn points for team eagle or team star.

Why is there so much conversation over it in here?

>>54593886
That's why you kill the stuff near Guilliman first.

>>54593630
Sweet, that makes things heaps easier.
Cheers.

>>54593929
So in the event of Chaos not having a single victory but the Imperium having all theirs neutralised, it becomes automatically Chaos? That was my question and concern, since Chaos doesn't even need a single win in order to get that store leaning to them as long as xenofags undo all the work Imperium does.

>>54593939
Wrong faggot. This image here is the global campaign.

>>54593842

The image you just responded to, this one here is the UK side of the campaign.

>>54593897

>>54593945
I'm saving this

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I had an open war game today, space wolves vs space marines, where the objective was that the tally of the power level of every unit you destroy becomes your kill points, and you double the power level for every vehicle and character. Which was fine except my ENTIRE ARMY was dreadnoughts.
So I lost 124 to 56. The only way I would have been able to win was by tabling him, by his second kill he had 42 kill points. He had three units left at the end of the game, I had two tarantulas
FUCKING Wulfen killed four dreadnoughts, including the deredeo and leviathan, without taking any damage,because he made all his invul saves, after making a 24 inch move/advance/charge across the table.

>>54593939
Different anon here. Just checked the page 1 min ago and every region is imperium majority. What the hell are you talking about?

>>54593939
that number is uk and rest of the world - Eu/NA
i doubt mbutu is what's keeping the imperium alive

>>54593933
In a bunker because it bounces off the walls, duh?
>>54593953
Because it will decide if the imperium falls and allies with the tau or rises and expels all threats

>>54593962
to be fair I didn't open it and assumed it was just the global one. either way my point stands, it's sweeping to hard chaos.

>>54593960
It's not really fair but I think they (correctly) figured that Chaos was going to get completely stomped if they didn't do it this way.

>>54593932
Well, now that Chapter Master cost 3 fucking CP on top of a Captain's cost with no stat upgrade at least that issue is resolved.
But, yeah, flame-aggressors seems as good a pick as any.

Anyone buying into the rumor that the Glottkin is going to be introduced into 40k as the new Great Unclean One? OR at least them retooling its sculpt to base the GUO off of when its new model drops?

In the index there is a pic of some Death Guard guys in bone colored armor (it is not the new models...but some FW converted ones). In the background there is what appears to be kind of out of focus the lower half to the Glottkin. GW has been pretty good about not showing Sigmar only models in the 40k artwork,

thoughts?

>>54593989
It has moved toward Chaos, but with Space Marines getting new codex and units soon, I don't see how Chaos can keep momentum.

Xenos need to universally help Chaos and I don't see that happening.

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>>54593945
>beard
no

>>54593923

?

We both checked the rules as we were playing. No idea what we could have been getting wrong since it was all pretty clear in the book. Gulliman gave all nearby Ultramarines rerolls to wound and hit. His Ancient gave +1 Leadership (stacking with +1 from Ultramarines chapter tactic) and whenever nearby models died, let them roll a 4+ to get a free shooting attack. And he had a Gravis Captain giving nearby models rerolls of 1.

>>54593883
He looks plenty scary as he is. But you can always add some bloody trophies to his base or an enemy body.

>>54593971
seems the win conditions fucked you over.

not the first time a general has fought and won, and alligevel lost.

>>54593989
>Imperium still ahead at least 60/40
>"sweeping to hard chaos"
Wat

>>54593942
There are multiple races of human dingus. Don't be a race denier.

Chaos are just as NPC as us Nids.

>>54593971
>2017
>using dread lists

Awkward.

>>54593995

>Chaos needs xenos help to be relevant in their own campaign
Shoes on the other foot now fuckers

>>54593939
IoM has the lead in every region. But the narrowest in UK+

>>54593975

Yeah on one buttfuck nowhere planet that's never been mentioned before.

>>54594005
It's going to be introduced as SOMETHING Nurgle. Not sure whether it will be the new GUO or a separate monster.

>>54593995
I guess.

>>54594007
Isn't it going on for like 6 weeks? So won't DG have their codex by then?

>>54594018
Pretty sure it's more like 55%/45% but OK. It was like 70/30 yesterday so I suspect by tomorrow it'll be 50/50.

>>54593971
>power levels
wew

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DAILY REMINDER GW ACTUALLY DID THIS.

>>54593953
I have no fucking clue.
Last I remember, everyone remains salty about how this all went down the last time, where Chaos won on the ground, but Imps won BFG, and the Xenos (again) were treated as unimportant NPCs, but the GW just ignored all of that and pretended it didn't happen (supposedly because one side or the other was buttblasted about the results, depending on who you ask.)
So I don't know what people are expecting. All this is going to decide is the fate of a couple of systems in Ultramar, which doesn't really mean much. Plus, trying to read their website isn't helping, unless all three 'regions' have the same Imp/Chaos ratio, because clicking on a given region doesn't change the little chart at all from what it shows at the 'world' level.

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>>54593870
>america is once again saving the world from evil
>mfw
God bless the US of A

But in all seriousness, it's not nearly as bad as your making it out to be. Praxima skyport is the place where chaos has the greatest hold, and even that is about 42/58 in favor of the imperium of man.
I also suspect that if chaos ever gets a strong foothold anywhere, xenos support in that area will turn against them, since most xenos players seem to be in the side of "screw over the winner" rather than supporting chaos or the imperium

>>54594044
Sure DG get a new codex and maybe units to paint up, but the problem is that Space Marines are getting more units and they are more popular. So even if Chaos wins all battles, I see the new primaris units coming on stream just pushing it toward Imperium just from the painting.

>>54594035
>planet that's never been mentioned for
Not even true, it's been in the Ultramar maps for ever. My Skitarii were fluffed as being from there for over a year before they announced this campaign. It's a major AdMech world on the doorstep of Macragge, and I believe it's named after Guilliman's stepfather who raised him when he was first discovered as a baby Primarch.

>>54594005
It won't be, we got two tzaangor kits, so they're clearly keeping exclusive units
We'll get those Not! Carnifexes from the Mortarion vs Guilliman art instead

>>54594038
I hope so! I have wanted to pick the model up for some time...but as I dont play Sigmar, already have a Knight Titan...Ku'Gauth doesnt have rules...waiting for official GUO resculpt...and I want the actual FW model for Scabbethrax. also...poorfag

I cant seem to find a legitimate excuse to purchase him.

I can't find a points cost for the Intercessor's new grenade launcher. when the new box comes out will it list the points value or am I blind?

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>>54594005

Naw sounds like bullshit a few anons are floating just because of that Glottkin model showing up in a white dwarf staff army (or whoever it belongs to)

The big green dude would definitely fit as a GUO but I don't buy this particular rumour.

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>post yfw a warhammer version of planetside would be so successful that it would kill the tabletop and that is why GW will never allow it

I wish gw didn't suck the ultramarines dick 24/7, I want a fucking black templar upgrade pack for primaris please.

>>54594035
That lies as the gateway to ultramar
Do you want a sixth battle for calth

>>54593906
Manlet/10

>>54594044
>so I suspect by tomorrow it'll be 50/50.
Nigger what? Why on earth would you expect chaos to do better after the release of C:SM, when the imperium has a massive advantage over them?

>>54594080
There's debate over that right now.

In the Intercessor datasheet it's called an "Auxiliary Grenade Launcher" but in the points index it's an "Astartes Grenade Launcher" costed at 11 points. However apparently in the French translation they have the same name so there's no ambiguity, and that one is costed at 4 points. We'll have to wait for errata.

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What do you think about this bad boy?

The model is fucking sexy and it seems like a good flexible addition to me. Loads of firepower, blazing fast, versatile fire modes.

Just wish it had vector dancer.

>>54593906
needs more spikeybits. clip a bunch of sprue leftovers into little pointed rods, apply superglue to various parts of your chaos lord, chuck him in a bag with said sprue leftovers and shake vigoursly. walaa, chaos lord

>>54593842
My store in Belfast said we were 80% chaos wins. Now I think on it that means jack shit. Fucking tiny Ireland

>>54594096
They tried that with EC, it didn't work.

>>54594096
But anon they tried to do this with Eternal Crusade and it crashed and burned so hard that it turned into early access freemium garbage.

>>54594096
>gw would never allow themselves to make more money than they do now

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>>54594096

There will always be a market for autists to paint little toy soldiers and push them around the table

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How terrible is this Homer Simpson looking piece of shit? Base is just a big turd.. weird shape on the forearm and leg looks boring af.

>>54593906
He looks good, but a little bland. The servo-arm is good, assuming you're going IW, but he basically just looks like a slightly cooler marine right now.

>>54594092
That's not the only reason the rumour came about. It was being discussed before we even saw that WD pic because the devs said on official GW stream that a model that already existed in AoS but had never had rules in 40k was coming to 40k soon. Glottkin was already the top contender in the speculation, and THEN we saw one in the White Dwarf pretty much confirming it.

>>54594096
Y'know

Eternal Crusade already exists

>>54594122
God I'm glad I haven't bought a book this edition

I normally don't mind buying them just to throw a bone for my FLGS, but these constant erratas have made them fucking worthless

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>>54593906
>iron warriors
>a fucking manlet who needs a huge ass servo arm to compensate

fitting

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>>54594060
Did you swipe to the various locations
Although I haven't figured out how to do stores tho

>>54594126
It and the void raven are dope

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>>54593699
>>54593683
>>54593652
Sorry had to go afk, I didn't post this.

>>54594142
185 points with the ability to obliterate hoards of chaff or a single guy because his hammer has 2 settings

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>>54594060

Codex Spesh Muhrines scan when
>I need fluff for my Bluhd Rehvehns

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How should i run intercessor squads as troop? should the be 5 man, 10 man? Bolt Rifle or Stalker Bolt Rifle? Can i reliably use them as my only troop choice?

>>54592897
Thier so undercover that even they forgot the point of the mission was.

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>>54594060
>fuck the winner
>>54594062
It's like French politics all over again

>>54594142

Are you a /v/edditor piece of shit that wishes he was doing a backflip?

>>54594135
That's like saying that when APB tried to be gta online and failed, and an actual gta online could not possibly succeed ever (but it did).

>>54594177
>Using Tacticals 1.5 as troops

xD

So blight launchers > plasma guns for an objective camping Plague Marine squad, right?

>>54594057
Am I missing something? I mean, isn't that good? People have been bitching about the removal of units/options that needed to be kitbashed and this seems like a step in the right direction.
Not that the dreadknight isn't an awful mini, mind you.

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>>54594179
>post yfw you're on so many layers of double-agent you forgot where your loyalites actually lie

>>54594173
>The Blood Ravens are from an unknown founding with an unknown gene-sire. They are now a fleet-based Chapter following the loss of their home planet. Their own records have been expunged, and the ones kept by the Ordo Malleus are sealed. Perhaps because of this, the Blood Ravens hunger for knowledge, and are particularly obsessive about discovering the truth behind their creation.

That's all there is.

>>54594147
That's cool. I wonder if they'll keep the Chaos Lord and Sorcerer on top as part of the 40k rules.

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>>54594096
That was the case in third ed but not now with Eternal Crusades smashing success
>burgers have such bad education they can't even spell their names properly
So that's why the imperium's winning

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>>54594138
>>54594151

Uhh...have you actually like watched a single video about the game? Or considered the fact that a bumfuck studio with a minimal budget making the game would not count as an attempt (ps2 was made by SONY), even IF it had anything to do with planetside 2?

Seriously, you don't have to be such suckers for the tabletop. It's better for everyone if 40k gets a proper game.

>>54594172
>>54594157
>>54594186
Yeah, went to them, and found what you did -
three regions showing the exact same Imp/Chaos ratio as each other, and the world in general.

>>54594177
10 man, you can always combat squad them at deployment if you think you need more units. Unless you're trying to get a Brigade and need lots of troops, but then you probably want to fill up mostly on Scouts.

Bolt Rifle seems to be the best option by far. Stalkers are cool but I don't think they're points-effective. Auto Bolt Rifle is literally only good for kiting from long range.

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>>54594133
Its not insignificant.

>>54594177
I feel like 5 with stalkers are okay at babysitting a backfield objective while still contributing, but in general I'd prefer the full squad. You can still split them via combat squads if need be.

>>54594218
Probably not since those guys don't look 40k at all. I'm guessing it will be repackaged with a 40k conversion sprue like the Tzaangors.

>>54594005
theyre probably porting over glotkin itself.
like they did the soulgrinder to fantasy a few years ago.

we'll probably get the magoths as well. It'd be an easy way for GW to add new units to expand th deathgaurd without having to actually make new moulds.

i doubt it'll be as the GUO though.

>>54594228
What I want is a 40k Xcom-type game. Space Hulk is great, both the tabletop version and the vidya adaptations, but I want MORE

>>54594229
>exact same
Anon look how close the dial is to the points of the chaos star, can you even point models with how blind you are

>>54594218
I hope not...because we could build them seperate and use them as Chaos Lord and Nurgle Sorcerer/Malignant Plaguecaster

>>54594228
>It's better for everyone if 40k gets a proper game.
Go back to /v/ you whiny underage faggot.

>>54594229
Get the dicks out of your eyes, they're not the same ratios, you can literally see the dial move as you swipe back and forth between the different regions.

>>54594228
So, your argument is that they should stop fucking around and give a game license to a company that's proven professionals, as opposed to yet another pack of fly-by-night amateurs?
(To be fair, I know nothing of the guys who made EC, that might not describe them at all, given that the Dawn of War guys had a very long descent over the years.)

>>54594251
>maggoth riders
Have you not seen the carnifexes in the new art with nurgle elements

>>54592825
I was at my local shop putzing around with my sternguard vets, and another regular popped in to pick up his pre-ordered codex. He peeled it out of its casing and then flipped it open to discover there was only one page devoted to Iron Hands, and still no special characters.

He looked pretty bummed.

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>>54594263

I'm more of a Festering Poxshaman man myself.

>>54594288

Depends on the game. Vermintide is superb, but an open world mmofps requires a lot more work.

>>54594260
>>54594282
Okay, seeing it now. Apparently, logged on just as all three were equal.
(And, uh, yeah, in all three of those pics? They're equal.)

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>check back next month for some news

>>54594228
Just because EC was bad doesn't mean that a proper 40k planetside would at all kill the tabletop.
The tabletop's appeal is completely different from that of a planetside clone, it's about the hobby, the painting, converting, creating fluff, playing the game with friends, controlling vast armies and massive warmachines, it's about your dudes.
People who play 40k for the rules (because I assume at least one must exist) won't be fulfilled by a shooter, the people who are into the hobby side couldn't give a ratsass about some vidya. The only people 40k would lose to a planetside clone is fluff only fags, and even then that's doubtful because there are a fuckton of warhammer video games, including some really good ones, and none of them killed 40k

Your just a retard.

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>>54594295
>iron hands book didn't sell well
>models depend on this selling well
>no models
What a fucking suprise

>>54594297
Do you think in the new codex they will have all of those different versions they alluded too? there was like 4 different kind of special nurgle sorcerers

>>54594301
>Vermintide
>Superb
I'd actually heard basically the opposite. Is it actually good? Because if so, 'Fantasy Left 4 Dead' sounds pretty intriguing.

>>54594228
Do you know the history behind the development of EC before you start calling people out? It started out as a planetside inspired 40k mmo and devolved into what it is today. Almost the entire dev team left the project and this is what's left from the dumpster fire.

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>>54594311
They already confirmed it's coming back like 3 years ago.

>>54594251
The Dark Imperium novel literally mentions Maggoths

>>54594290
Those aren't Carnifexes you idiot, they're a totally new Nurgle thing.

>>54594323
Fantasy L4D but with classes and equipment/loot. It's also supported with DLC.

>>54594334
Soutce

>>54594323
It's ok, though I'd argue that Space Hulk deathwing is a better L4D 40k game now that it's got most all of it's bugs and issues ironed out.

>>54594313
>We base modeling decisions on how people respond to our various shitty fanfic-tier novels.
Solid plan, guise.

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>>54594326
New Epic:EA when?

>>54594355
Guess they decided to do Necromunda next. Good. The reason they're doing it next is the video game of Necromunda is out next year.