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"""They""" are happy edition

>Profits soar at Games Workshop as fantasy model retailer battles back from slump
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/10/profits-soar-games-workshop-fantasy-model-retailer-battles-back/

Old: >>54517483

New Duncan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0JmSC2Rt9g

>GW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/updated-faqs-and-boots-on-the-groundgw-homepage-post-2/

>FW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/15/new-and-updated-forge-world-faqs-july16gw-homepage-post-2/

>Latest news :
https://www.warhammer-community.com

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
>Everything 8th edition in pdf(and epub), SW:A, WIP and BB are here too, no novels.
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA

>Other megas
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA

>WIP Math-hammer doc (Chart-Anon doing Abaddon's work)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing
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Damn, should have bought.
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First for commorragh!!
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How many Burnaboyz does it take to kill a Flying Hive Tyrant?
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GW did Brexit because they knew it'd be profitable
The absolute madmen
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Manlet uprising soon
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>>54520272
Like three or something
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>>54520256
Here here!
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>>54520283
Aren't only vets supposed to have both red hands, dummy?
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>>54519990

Redshirt here, i havent heard anything like that
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-Venom 65
>2 splinter cannons 30

-Raider 95
>dark lance 20
>shock prow 1

-3 Reavers 90
>agoniser 4
>heat lance 25
>grav talon 5

-5 Scourges 70
>4 dark lances 80
>blast pistol 10
>agoniser 4

-10 Kabalite warriors 70
>agoniser 4
>phantasm grenade launcher 3
>blast pistol 10
>splinter cannon 15
>blaster 15

-Archon 54
>phantasm grenade launcher 3
>huskblade 10
>blaster 15

TOTAL: 698

How can I bring this up to 1000 points?
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>>54520281
>gw did brexit

wut
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>M-M-Marinelets will totally n-not get s-squated in the lore
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>>54520283
Yo dog lemmie hold a 10 spot!
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>>54520281
(((THEY))) wanted Brexit to get more sheckels for (((THEIR))) companies!!!
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>>54520256
>>54520291
Too bad the city was ransacked by daemons, abandoned, and craftworlders are the most populous eldar now
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Nth for Magnus singlehandedly making Chaos viable.
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>>54520298
Liar we got a message yesterday to not leak that and ban anyone from the store which discussed it
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>>54520297
Theyre all sternguard
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>>54519990
>>54520298
my local redshirt just got exited because they announced GH 2017
says they don't tell him shit untill a week in advance for the most part
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>>54520298
Do you hear of anything early on before it is announced?
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>>54520315
>mfw the craftworld bitch elves kill themselves making Slaanesh 2.0
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>>54520302
Pound drop meant FW was bought >>54520313
>implying Kike sorcery couldn't make the EU subsidise model making companies as 'historic commodities'
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The Iron Warriors find Earth and lay siege to it wit the intent on enslaving the population and using as fuel/manpower for their iron warmachine.

How long do we last?
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>>54520345
a week, max
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>>54520315
They can keep being populous they send bakers and tailors to war.
THIS... IS .... COMMORRAGH!!!!
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>>54520345
Forever because the emperor blesses us with anti daemon summoning malaware
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>>54520298
Some redshirts actually have friends inside the company instead of just being random wagies like yourself
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>>54520303
mwf my brother started a space marine army in 2013... finally finished it in February this year. Now he mad.

I waited because deep down inside I always knew marinelets were going to get squatted
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>>54520333
Its true, we red shirts only get the news one week in advance. they just send us a mail with all the details in it and thats it
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>>54520345
They find that the majority of the worlds third worlder population is useless and the first worlders aren't used to hard labor, so they get effectively five years at most from the whole population
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>>54520344
I get that maybe Brexit was good for GW, but how did they cause it?

Brexit was nothing to do with them, just old racists who wanna kick out the Polish.
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>>54520391
>not wanting to hand your country over to third wolders on a silver platter
>racist
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>>54520318
great
we didnt get a message like that
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Anyone know what weapon options are inside a biker box? Do I get a grav and melta gun for the riders?
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>>54520383
Did you have any hobby experience when you got the job?

I applied to be the manager of the local GW but they literally denied me at the end of the interview
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>>54520391
>muh raycism
Holy kek
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>>54520410
None of that has anything to do with the EU.

If you think Poles are your problem, you haven't been to Tower Hamlets or Bradford or other Bangladeshi enclaves.
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>>54520444
Poles are the one bastion of sanity in the EU at the moment
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>>54520368
>anti daemon summoning malaware
Or we could go the other direction and build COMPs
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Sup /tg/, Army Anon here. I just got back from an FTX and heard the new SM Codex is about to drop. So are Primaris Marines a part of it?

Do they have more options than the box sets gave them? Can they actually ride in vehicles?
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>>54520391
>kick out the polish
They're nice, we left the EU to prevent those neo liberalists stop the first successful socialist state with the superior Anglo race at its heart
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>>54520391
>Hey UK just hand over all border control and final legislative power to Germany, it'll be great.
>What why are you leaving?
>Stop!
>You fucking racists!
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>>54520438
yeah, i started the hobby when i was ~11, now i am 23

I never applied to be a redshirt though, my local manager asked me whether i wanted a job
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>>54520431
Nope only bolters fixers to the car, need to buy meltas and grav separately you WAACfag
>>54520438
>manager
>knows nothing
Why the fuck would they
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Have we been derailed by /pol/ again?
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>>54520487
No, we got derailed by bait for /pol/.
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>>54520460
They're in
More options
New vechiles just for them
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>>54520487
i guess so
I mean it is an interesting topic, but it shouldn't be discussed in this thread
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>>54520477
You know, Germany's doing quite well.

Good standard of living, seems like a nice country.

You so jealous of them you'd cut your nose to spite your face? You ain't making them poorer by making yourself poorer. They are laughing at us.
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>>54520487
That's always a matter of when, not if.
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>>54520506
>doing quite well
Tell that to Merkel and her migrants lmao
Germany is the second most fucked up country in the EU right now
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>>54520482
Called a WAACfag for wanting some variety, I have a ton of bolter and plasma dudes.

but thanks for the answer anyway mate
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>>54520487
>brexit is /pol/
fuck off /pol/ hates Corbo
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>>54520507
Have the Orktists descended upon us though?
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>>54520506
Germany's ELITE is doing quite well. Ask the average guy how their doing
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>>54520522
O call you a WAACfag because a real hobbyist would already have a space marine army and would know what was in that kit from watching YouTube since 2009
RIP ALFABUSA
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>>54520527
Where is the average guy doing well? Here?
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>>54520500
Thank you kind sir/ma'am.

Now to find time to paint
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>>54520527
>>54520545
average guy here
its okay, but please keep this in Pol, i want to talk about plastic crack instead of politics
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>OMG OMG OMG
i just read on frontline gaming stream that power fists are 13 pts each now. after the points drop for droppods, LSS and bikers, my (apparently overcosted) vanilla list has now more than 150 points left to spend AND has gained chapter tactics, a custom warlord trait, stratagems, one free relic and an extended set of psyker powers.
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>>54520555
>power fists recieved a 7 pt drop
Holy shit terminator armies just entered rape tier
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Why is GW so autistic about options for dudes?

I get the idea of not providing rules for models that don't exist thing, but squatting rifleman dreads in the codex when they literally sell the components to make it (through FW) seems like a giant thumb in the eye.

Do they really not direct people to FW for upgrades because if they included rules for them in the codex they wouldn't sell more FW books?
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I have a rad idea for a full blown celtic space elf barbarians army. Are Eldar of all flavors actually as dogshit as everyone decried them? There's only Chaos, Guard and Orks around here, so I have no way to see for myself.
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>>54520444
it has everything to do with the EU's liberal philosophy of free movement not only of goods but also of people which taken to the extreme ends in merkel's open border policy

t. disillusioned german
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>>54520555
>If true
Tourneyfag playtesters BTFO, find another line of work.
Also what kind of faggot trusts steams made for ad revenue?

>If false
What kind of faggot trusts steams made for ad revenue?
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>>54520576
>FW exclusive options
Holyfuck batman I think you're onto something, ever since the tau book this happened
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>>54520506
>You know, Germany's doing quite well.
>Good standard of living, seems like a nice country.
google vendor financing, you stupid prick
t. german
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>>54520576
i guess that rifle dreads will become a FW only option, you will need the FW rule book for them
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>>54520543
I'm a student, with almost no money, basically buying shit from ebay and other second hand sites.

Sorry for not being rich mate
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>>54520577
>Celtic barbarians
Eldar are that as much as dark angels are Greek, first ed themes are gone
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>>54520609
How recently did you join the hobby
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What role do normal Terminators play? Are they even any good?

I love the look of the models but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to use them.

I like the flexibility of deep striking + teleport homer to move around, and they're decent at a lot of things, just not great at any one thing.

I just wanted to assault cannon motherfuckers
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>>54520506
Germany is great if you've got the money to outrun the effects of all the vibrant diversity Merkel decided to import. If you're an average human who can't flee to an upper class gated community then it's pretty shit, and you can't even publicly complain about how shit it is because that's a hate crime and you'll be sent to the gulag for being a Nazi.
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Whatre you guys working on?
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>>54520651
>tfw the /tg discord owner is an unironic nazi
I question why those people exist
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>>54520692
Trying to figure out how to improve or expand this >>54520301
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>>54520692
>5 grey hunters to paint
>10 blood claws to assemble paint

I'm getting painting fatigue guys.
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>>54520648
>pain to get rid of
>DA knights are the best melee unit bar none
>storm bolters get 4 shots in half range which they can deep strike in
No idea m8
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Anyone got codex: space marine leaks? Can't find it in OP
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>>54520612
Yes, and? If I want half-naked fur-clad elf berserkers in space, it's my god-given right to make them.
I'd just like to know wether I'm shooting myself in the foot again or if they are decent.
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>>54520648
>What role do normal Terminators play? Are they even any good?

Shock troops, yeah they are good though not great. Deep strike them in, shoot and charge and they will wreck most things depending on their load out.
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>>54520703
How much of a nazi? I don't like the jews or muslims; but I'm not racist against skin colour, just culture.
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>>54520692
Currently my dark eldar. Given up trying to make a dark scheme look good (my highlighting skillz aren't great, so I can either make the model look good close up, or at arms length on the table, but not both) so repainting them all in a red & gold ensemble.
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>>54520736

Nobody is racist against "skin color", they are racist against specific races, which are much more than skin color.
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>>54520692
Got to finish the arms on a dreadnought, and nurglify a daemon prince.
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>>54520692
I've got 30 stormboyz primed, some 8 Kommandos (two of them Nobz, one a Burna), and a Big Mek on Warbike conversion on my painting queue.

As soon as I finish one more Infinity model
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>>54520731
>berserkers
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>>54520692

Why are you just airbrushing green onto them like that?
Wouldn't you rather have painted models?
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>>54520727

Just realized that storm bolters were rapid fire 2 now instead of the old assault shit

Assault cannons at heavy 6 no rending at over ten times the price look sad as hell now.
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>>54520703
>politicians say your culture and race suck, then import people that hate you, then make it illegal to speak out
>I wonder why right wing reactionaries exist
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>>54520692
Finished my Sicarian Ruststalker Princeps, next up is batch painting the entire rest of the squad. They'll have green fabric instead of black because I want to keep the colours rolling, and I imagine they'll be a bit simpler due to no cloak and no four pointy limbs, although the heads might be irritating. Never painted glowy swords before now because I'm still fairly new, this one isn't terrible but the next few will hopefully be better.
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>>54520555
>>54520567
correction: 12 points
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>>54520692
Basing my brimstones, then finishing screamers and flamers. Later on I'll either continue working on my other horrors or rubrics. Either way I know it'll be slow but enjoyable.
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>>54520736
Like hyper nazi that wants to genocide everyone
>>54520765
>yes I actually see the differences between Bantu, Hamitic,Nilotic and Songhai
>>54520794
Looks amazing anon although you might want the highlights to be a bit more thin
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>>54520692
I need to finish 10 noise marines for tomorrow... but I've only finish one test model.
I want to play games with nice models but my army looks like a giant fucking mess and I got really despressed.

I tried to pep myself up by watching some Danganrompa v3 but then best girl died at the end of chapter 1 and it only made me feel worse so now I've got nothing left but to shitpost on /tg/.
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>>54520692
Adding bits to my primaris. Just some stuff here and there, mainly shoulder shields to most units and purity seals on guns.
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>>54520717
>flat colors
>mold lines
>split barrels
>scribbles on visor
come on son
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>>54520555
Oh boy, I hope Powerklaws get a point drop when it's the Orks' turn. Can't help but feel they're a bit on the expensive side of things.
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>>54520821

>>yes I actually see the differences between Bantu, Hamitic,Nilotic and Songhai

Feel free to make an argument any time.
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>>54520303
>>54520371
>>54520283
>engaging in pointless marine vs primaris fighting
>not embracing the new models while also keeping your old ones and using both to their fullest to make your losts the best they can be
Plebs
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>>54520648
in 8th edition, you use them primarily to remove light enemy infantry by shooting, then try to charge something that is heavily armored. they're tough but not as tough as it seems. to make them really survivable, you need to deepstrike them into care and away from enemy melee specialists. then they shine.

now that they're 40 points apiece only, they seem viable.

>>54520651
this post is pure hyperbole, btw
t. lower class right-wing German living in a heavily diversified urban area
the demographical trends are worrying though and the idiotic left doesn't get it because to them people are people. they do not understand the rivalries between men.
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>>54520730
winters seo youtube vid is best we got.
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>>54520861
When you see a group of black refugees do you yell HAH NIGGERS or can you identify specific groups, as one can among Europeans
>>54520884
It's people like you that caused IIorca Segmenta to go out of fashion
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>>54520922

>When you see a group of black refugees do you yell HAH NIGGERS or can you identify specific groups, as one can among Europeans

You often can identify blacks by region based on their physical features.
What's your point?
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Do you get the full range of Nob box options with this, and is there enough bits to give everyone a kombi-rokkit?
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>>54520786
because it saves a shitload of time basecoating?

Im still going to wash it and do highlights
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>>54520954
Most racists can't so that's why racism is seen as skin colour, and because of how racism became skin colour you can't easily say race but can say culture >>54520964
You get everything you get in the nob kit, so look up a YouTube unboxing for it
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>>54520964
yes

nob box only comes with 2 kombi rokkits
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>>54520765
the sexdrive isn't colorblind that is the actual source of what people call racism. specifically, the female sexdrive isnt colorblind (neither is the male but the aforementioned creates a lot of rivalry among men). people of different skincolor represent different flavors. we pretend that we're all the same and shit but the truth is that this will always make us rivals. doesn't mean that you can't be friends with someone that plays for the other team. however, when push comes to shove conflicting interests will arise, everybody wants their team to be perceived as best.

everyone should be aware of this.
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>>54520984
>Most racists can't

Not really, racists are suddenly stupid and uneducated just because they are racist
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>>54520692
Painted a squad of these guys yesterday. Rangers are next.

>>54520794
wow you and me have almost the exact same green for our robo niggas
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>Make Brexit joke based off GW's finances benefiting from it
>Derails the thread horribly

Lesson learned lel
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>>54520793
>Been there, done that, 70,000,000 deaths ensued.
>Never again
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>>54520984

>Most racists can't so that's why racism is seen as skin colour,
That's not a supportable assertion.
Racism is about race, not skin color. What you believe to be common perception of the issue isn't relevant.

>and because of how racism became skin colour you can't easily say race but can say culture
I don't see why.
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Hmm from the new releases, does anyone get the feeling that GW is going for a WYSIWYG attitude to rules?

Like, you can only take whatevers in the new boxes. You don't have an option for stuff not in the plastic sprue like you did before.

Personally I'm for that but it does feel weird given how so many things in the past have options but new stuff doesn't.
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>>54521008
It's like you've never been to 40kg before.
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Cant wait for the full primaris range to be out
>4 aggressors with flamers, a lieutenant and an apothecary riding in a repulsor
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>>54520967

Seems really lazy and you used the wrong shade of green.
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>>54520999
That is the implication that is made. Which is a sadly hypocritical point that people seem to ignore since the assumption is as shallow a stereotype as the one they perceive as racist are accused of.
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>>54520999
Most racists are reactionaries so yes they're stupid, the other half are Corbynites
>>54521004
Why do the coats have different colours on different sides
Prefer their left colour tvh
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>>54520964
No, there is currently no model for the power stabba. And no, there is only 1 killsaw, 1 kombi-skorcha, 2 kombi-rokkits, I don't think any shoota or kustom shoota options.
They're great models, but the kit has a lot of flaws.
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>>54520301
>>54520719
Does anyone here play DE? I'm really unsure of what to do now
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I'm in love with the Hellblasters, to be honest.
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>>54521022
The codexes will, the index is a stop gap like they had in fantasy for second and 6tj ed
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>>54521046
Sorry I meant to say ARENT suddenly stupid but my phone autocorrected
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>>54521022

The other way you can look at it is they're providing you with everything so you don't have to kitbash stuff or buy bits.
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>>54521045
I didnt know there was a standard color of ork skin

fuck off dude
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>>54521008
You expected anything different?
If you don't actively work to keep these threads focused then they'll be flooded with off topic shitposting almost instantly, especially if you mention something even vaugely political.
Just report and hide the shitposting and actually contribute and the thread should hopefully get back on track.
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>>54521073
That's why I like it.

I know everyone here is a master with green stuff and magnets but I'm just not into that stuff, at least not yet so the new attitude is better for me. Only having rules for what's in the box is cool IMO, but it also does detract from the game to a degree.

I guess the best solution is to have more stuff in the box.
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>>54520922
>can you identify specific groups, as one can among Europeans

Outside of speech, how do you identify European groups?
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>>54521052

>Most racists are reactionaries
Acknowledging evolution is "reactionary" huh?
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>>54520272
>over 60 burna boyz orkuck! Hive fleet leviadesolation
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>>54520272
26
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>>54521024
>AIDS magazine
Link, just read BL Horus heresy series and need something to remind me good writers exist
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>>54521052
>Reactionaries are stupid
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>>54521052
>Racists are reactionary so they are stupid

Hurr sure I'm stupid because I reacted with anger when I saw some dumb foreigner say my country is shit and demand I change my form of government to suit his needs despite him only being in the country for a year
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>>54521078

Well now you do.
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>>54521073
Or, they're now trying to retroctively justify crappy uncustomisable kits buy going "Look! The captain can't even take a power maul anyway! Why are you complaining about the kit not coming with one!"
It's one thing when it's happening with space marines, who have by far the biggest line in 40K and have models for nearly everything, but I'm terrified of what will happen to the ork codex. We will have 3 HQ options and only aspekt boyz for elites.
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>>54521063
>taking plasma vs orks
Why
>>54521105
By checking their Facebook profile duh
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>>54521114
That's a surprisingly low number actually
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>>54521128
This tbhfam
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>>54521149
>List tailoring
Why
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>>54521126
If they were smart then they would have made a coherent political philosophy
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>>54521135
Shit, guess i better strip all the orks ive painted this way seeing as theyre the wrong shade of green
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>>54521024
>marines are easily baited into marinelet vs primaris arguing
>tau get butthurt at the drop of a hat
>Dangles get mad that they're fags
>GSC have ERP attentionwhores
>Chaos is chaos, I don't even need to go into that
>gaurd are obnoxious with their HFY, muh balls of steel shit
>necron posters don't exist
>ad mech bitch about Fires of cyraxus
>yiffs get upset when someone defends magnus or criticizes russ
>sisters beg for plastics
>lol, who the fuck has inquistion as their main army?
>lots of ork and nid posters still bitch despite all the buffs they get
>deldar are obsessed with stupid RP shit
>eldar are fags

Seems to me that 40k is just cancerous as a whole. Perhaps we'd be better of if GW just squated the entire setting?
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>>54521166
Because Orks are a way stronger faction than space marines and will easily table you otherwise?
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>>54521166
Do you turn up with a list, or do you make it in store
I make mine at home but just would put flamers instead
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>>54520814
I know this feel. I just bought a lot of metal horrors/screamers/flamers off ebay and they're all missing arms which is annoying, maybe ill slap pink horror arm bits on everything and call it a day
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>>54520821
Yeah, softer angles are a bitch for thin highlights. Working on it, the cloak edges are considerably better although still slightly wavy in places. I also need to Git Gud at lenses and making the colour transitions on the sword less jarring.

>>54521004

Never seen yellow bloops before, looks good although may need a little THIN or some washes. They're basically skill in pot form, you don't have to do half the fucking about with the legs when you just wash over the spray colour a couple times and then do a drybrush/couple panels in diff. colours.

This is my first mini with my green/orange glows scheme, previously did 20 Skittles, a Dominus and a Dunecrawler in Mars colours who will probably all be stripped and repainted eventually to match, apart from the Dominus because First Model (which in retrospect was a fucking terrible idea, especially as I had not watched Saint Duncan and did not know how to properly THIN).

Need to buy some browns for the Mindscrambler pouches that LITERALLY DO NOTHING unless I want to paint them green as well or something.

Maybe lighter? Zandri Dust/Zameesi Desert drybrush would finish them off quickly, or Mech Standard Grey/Dawnstone.
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>>54521178

Racism is an acknowledgement of the reality of evolution, it's not necessarily political.
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>>54521217
That's racist, all orks are wonderful and beautiful, from your smallest git to your largest Knob
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>>54521226
No they aren't, git gud.
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>>54521221
>squat the entire setting
But muh age of smegmar
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>>54521226
>Codex vs Index
>Still cant win
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Grey Knights.. When?
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>>54521245
>Knob
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>>54521282

Codex CSM first, then GK, then DG
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>>54521233
Oh, that's quite unfortunate. Good luck with them, anon!
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>>54521052
They are the same color. The lighting might make the side look different.

>>54521234
Thinning paints has always been a weak area for me. I'm an impatient and fast painter so on guys like these where I'm gonna be painting a lot of them I usually just do a minimal amount of water mixed in and then paint.
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Sup 40kg, I'm getting my ass hammered by necron as chaos and need some help. 2000 pts.

Necron is bringing:
3x heavy destroyers, 4x destroyers with 1 heavy destroyer, destroyer lord, 10 flayed ones, 5 flayed ones, 10 necron warriors, 1 doomsday ark and two packs of wraiths with transdimensional beamers.

I can handle everything but the wraiths with the lists I've been trying, but it's the combination of the wraiths and flayed ones that gets me every time.

I usually bring some noise marines, some sonic dreadnoughts, a heldrake, some havocs with missile launchers, a flying demon prince and I've been trying combinations of just about everything else in the codex to try to pull out a win with no success so far.

The wraiths are tough to kill because of their 3++ and 3 wounds and their ability to move 12" through walls and cover to come at my units. Generally what happens is that I start trading fire with his dakka, then the wraiths and flayed ones get on my guys and prevent me from shooting/kills my guys with transdimensional beamers and a bunch of melee attacks. If I do get into melee to tie up the vehicle or the destroyers with melee specialists or the helldrake he can fall back and still shoot due to FLY on the destroyers/heavy destroyers, he can tie up most of my dakka with the flayed ones and wraiths, the doomsday ark sits in the corner of the board shooting whatever it can at 72" with quantum shielding, etc.

Not sure what I should try at this point, I'd like to think there's some combo in the material that I'm missing but I'm not sure. I've tried chaos demons, I've tried termie drops, I've tried daemon engines, I've thought about smite spam but think it's too fragile against that shooting though it would be good on the wraiths, I've thought about bringing 3 more heldrakes to try to cause chaos and tie all his stuff up but most of the stuff I want tied up can fall back for free, etc.

TL;DR Any chaos bros have any advice against necron?
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>>54521295
It seemed like they wanted to do GK first? Have they confirmed CSM is coming sooner?
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>>54521326
>>54520316
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>>54521333
Hmmmmm
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>>54521326
Have you tried using 40 tactical marines?
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>>54521350
ill be honest, i like this meme
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>>54521350
Nope, haven't tried that yet lol
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>>54521328
>GK
>CSM get new chaos daemon units
>GK can't counter them
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So when are Kroot gonna get their own army?
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>>54521312
I have the opposite problem, I always thin too much and wind up with shitty watery metallics. Normally that's a complete PITA, but has occasionally come out with some cool effects, like on my Dataspike where just a little bit of Warplock Bronze gave it a cool gleam, and the Princeps armour which looks like dull grey metal until the light catches it and it gleams bronze through all the washes.
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>>54521394
>kroot are the new army
>it's just the 5th ed fandex
Would still buy desu, as have the kroot chapter approved catalog
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>>54521350
Kek
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Donkey Magos, what do?
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>>54521056
Plenty do. Your list is just formatted like ass. Why not tally the unit totals?

I'm going to assume that you have a SC box, a box of scourges, and a venom, and because of that I'm going to assume that you're not actually worried about what bits you have. Another SC box will do wonders in the long run. Trueborn with blasters inside the venom is a good start (I've had success with 2 blaster 2 lance). Bloodbrides are actually good with +1S drugs, and T4 wyches are a decent tarpit.
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>>54521350
You say that like it's not exactly what you're supposed to be doing.
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>>54521326

Have you tried using things that deal mortal wounds to take care of the wraiths?
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>Tfw orks are going to get nerfed back into the trashcan because all the snowflake marine players are complaining about them
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>>54521423
cool as fuck and something a magos would actually do

Non humanoid forms are what make mechanicus cool
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Just finished DEldar cost-calcs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

As always, if you spot any errors or something that seems fishy, please let me know and I'll take a look.

DEldar are a weird, motley bunch.

The only non-FW faction that's been requested and not yet done is vanilla SM, but I'm waiting on the codex for that. I could start working on it via the video link, but I'd really rather not. Other options:
Tyranids
Catachans/Cadians
Scions
FW stuff (Hellforged has been requested as a priority)
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>>54521458
My options for that are stuff like sorcerers/magnus/etc and since the wraiths have 3 wounds each and smite does d3 damage at 18" range (wraiths move 12" and their transdimensional beamers are 12" range) I'm worried about the cost investment of the smite spam vs effectiveness against the wraiths.

My thought process is that if I take a couple/a bunch of sorcs and put them behind some bubble wrap it's going to be a big investment just to deal with wraiths and that investment is going to get shot to death by the destroyers/eaten by flayed ones before or shortly after killing a few wraiths.

I've definitely thought about it though. Have you had good luck with smite spam against 3++ units in the past?
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Can anyone help a bro make an Elysian list for 2k? Money is no object.

I feel bad just begging for a list but I have no idea where to start but I want all in on 8th!
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>>54521476
They best not to be! Ork codex comes and there will be a reckoning!!! It'll be right in time for the ork campaign being released.
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>>54521497
This looks amazing but I can't understand it
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Fucking Bullgryns butchered my Primaris, they moved from squad to squad just raping shit.

My anus bleeds from Bullgryn maul

Nerf when OP #bullgryn_not_ok
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>>54521394
>>54521394
Id take literally anything over this happening
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>>54521509

Valkarie vets are a power choice.
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>>54521428
And then save stuff like ravagers and void ravens for higher points?
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>>54521450

Woah woah woah lower right hand, are those tacticals with bolters and shields?

Where are the rules for this
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>>54521559
They look like arbites to me
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>>54521328
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/

>What are the first of these new codexes?
>We’re kicking off with Space Marines. Then soon after, we’ll have Chaos Space Marines, Grey Knights and Death Guard…

Other stuff of note

>Is every army getting new models too?
>Some of them. Certain armies will get new miniatures alongside their new codex, and others won’t. >Don’t worry though, our miniatures designers are working hard and we’ll get to all of you eventually – we’re well aware you all want new models for your chosen army.

>There are a few options that are missing in the codex that appear in the index: why is that? Does that mean I can’t use these models in my army anymore?
>While the indexes are designed to cover a long history of miniatures, the codexes are designed to give you rules for the current Warhammer 40,000 range. There are a few options in the indexes for some Characters and vehicles that are no longer represented in the Citadel range – certain Dreadnought weapons that don’t come in the box, or some characters on bikes, for example.

Intentionally set up so you may need index+codex to play!
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>>54521328
its not official but those rumoured release dates that get posted every few threads had CSM before Gk. They were correct on SM codex so possibly correct but nothing confirmed.
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GOD DAMNIT WHERE ARE MY PLASTIC INCUBI AND MANDRAKES?!?!?!
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>>54521527
What part's confusing you? I have a Notes/Info page with some basic help for how to read the tables, but I'm aware it was hastily done, and fairly early into development.

Basically, each faction page has three tables:
Largest/top-left: Average wounds per turn for a given unit using a given weapon, against one of the test dummies. Attacker stats on the left, names in the middle, average wounds on the right.

Smallest/Top-right: Defensive values for the test-dummies, where you can see the T/Sv/W etc for the targets I use.

Bottom/colorful: Cost-efficiency calculations. Basically the cost of a given unit divided by the average wounds from the top-left table to get a rough measure of how efficient a unit is at dealing damage against a certain target. Lower numbers are better, with a color-scale applied to improve readability.
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>>54521394
>>54521414

>Every major faction will be getting a codex.
>As well as classic and well-known armies, you can expect to see factions that have never had their own codex before – starting with the Death Guard, available later in the year.

So, Tau getting subfaction codices?
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Buying a box of those tomorrow.
Saguinius is best Primarch.
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>>54521612
What's the tl;dr on the elf pirates?
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>>54521559
They're HH breacher squads.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Legion-MKIII-Breacher-Siege-Squad
They're badass, but no 40K rules yet
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I know a guy who knows a guy... not that any of y'all care.

But 2018 is going to turn 2017 on its head for 40k releases and new stuff.

Necromunda Christmas 2017
Whispers of an entirely new Guard line (95% of Guard line being replaced)
Almost entirely new Chaos line (except for most recent releases)
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Any eta on the Primaris starter set, or is going with Dark Imperium the best way to go?

Also what's the best way to get a tyranid army started? The 'Get started with Tyranids' doesn't have any troops, and I already have a ton of warriors.
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>>54521575
Also setup so that you buy your new army now and it will be replaced in some months, imo. The only safe buys are armies refreshed this year, since they are also up to scale with primaris... for example, talons, tsons, deathwatch (still better scale than manlets, and not replaced anytime soon)... Everything else will be rescaled soon I guess. Welp...
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>>54521619
No tau are last dead last deservidly so.
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>>54521602
Next to my plastic Sororitas, between the new Cadians and the plastic DKoK.
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>>54521052
Being reactionary is literally just pointing out when certain changes are dumb, instead of mindlessly towing the party line. Fuck off.
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>>54521630

Awesome, thanks.

>no 40K rules yet

sadtrombone.wav
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Start Collecting Orks! Is back boyz!
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>>54521635
And new SOB models will fly out of Kirby's ass.
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>>54521635
What about special snowflakes SM? Any news?
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>>54521637
If you can still get hold of it (maybe a store has one on the shelf) the tyranid swarm box is great for stocking up on gaunts, plus a carnifex is always useful.
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>>54521654
They had rules in 5th-7th edition, basically rerolled their armor saves.
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>>54521635
>Whispers of an entirely new Guard line (95% of Guard line being replaced)

Doubt.jpg
Too much in just a year, I expect them to one of the factions to get some redone models and stuff though.
IG Codex 2018 then?
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>>54521066
they had " incices " for fantasy ? tell me more please
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>>54521221
What about Blood angels ?
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>>54521653
This. Change mustn't be accepted just for the sake of change. Sometimes, the new thing is shit, and it's better to stick to the old ways.
That's especially true for the current situation in the West.
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>>54521635
>entirely new Guard line
About time they replace the muppet looking dudes. Put them next to a grunt from Infinity and it's embarrassing. Would it be too much to ask for some females in the mix? Gender mixed squads shouldn't just be delegated to Aeldari and Drukhari.

>Necromunda Christmas 2017
If it's a good skirmish I'd be down. 40k's fun at the skirmish level.
>Almost entirely new Chaos line
Don't particularly care for this, nor do I think they'll do it. I think a few characters like Lucius or Abaddon should be resculpted but I don't see it happening.
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>>54520303
It does raise the question of what the future holds for non-Primaris marines. The novel(s?) indicate that Rowboat considers them to be on the way out and that the mass production of new Primaris far outstrips the traditional methods developed by the Emperor.

Will normal marines even be produced by the Imperium anymore? Will Chapters have a choice in the matter or will the tougher, stronger, but less culture immersed Primaris become mandatory? Are the Forge Worlds going to switch over to the Mk. X template for armor? Will older patterns of bolters and their munitions still be produced?

There are too many questions to know what normal Marines will be doing even a year from now.
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>>54521629
From a math-hammer perspective, they have a plethora of interesting and efficient options, though a lot of their stuff struggles against vehicles (which you probably already knew), meaning they rely even moreso than other factions on dedicated Anti-Vehicle weaponry to deal with such targets.

You can't really derive exactly how a faction will play just from the numbers, though. I can't give a sweeping "They good, yo". What I have here is really much better at things like "The Daiklave on the Klaivex is a bit questionable, as while Dual-Blades will kill more infantry than the single Klaive, the cost increase is too high for this to be an efficient upgrade, and of course the cost increase doesn't help at all when using the Single-Blade mode, which you'll want to use against pretty much anything past GEQs"
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>>54521715
They're bros. And I'm absolutely not just saying that because i'm a BA player.
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Any games you've played lately anons? And this is from my most recent Ork v Guard 1,500 pt game. And what else has everyone been up to? Been busy as shit lately so sorry for no batreps.
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>>54521724
It's been stated that non-Primaris geneseed is no longer being recovered. They're phasing out the old models.
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>>54520576

You can still make a rifleman venerable using the index, as spelled out on a community post...

But yes that is staggeringly stupid. Just print a few more lines for the equipment list.
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>>54521732
Your a saint chart Anon! Thanks yo!
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Ok, at first I thought GW gave burnas only D3 because they're the only unit in the game that can take massed flame weapons, so large squads with D6 each would be too much, fair enough.

But now, GW rolls out the Aggressors with 2D6 each (so 6D6 in total) in the smalles squad, with double that if they don't move (which to be fair is easier said than done with 8" range).

......Hopefully burnas will get D6 when the Ork dex comes out? I don't even use them but just knowing GW hamstrung a unit in my faction feels pretty sad.
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ok anons, test for my blood angels armor, how does it look? I think need thinner highlights so will try clean that up a bit.

Should I keep it with the entire shoulder pad trim highlighted or rather just do an edge highlight?

Did the scratch on his leg come out ok?
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>>54521745
Grey guard Anon! I thought that tyranids had consumed your regiment welcome back friend.
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>>54521749
Where has it been stated ?
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>>54521764
Orks benefit from auto hits far more than most other armies because of their low BS and cheap models

Deal with it bitch boy
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>>54521745
Why do people use so little terrain? There's no way you're hiding anything on that table.
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>>54521749
Where was this stated?
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>>54521749
Source that shit, with photo evidence.
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>>54521716
Damn straight.

I mean I think there can be a lot of good changes made. In my country, I want the indigenous people's systems reworked, I want us to steal good educational ideas from abroad, I want mental health to have more government coverage, and many other things. If someone disagreed with me on these issues, I'd want them to discuss it with me rather than simply labeling me as *political ideology i dun like*.

As you said, change for change's sake is not always good, and even some reasoned changes are stupid. We should all be free to disagree with one another without being labeled instantly as being "reactionary" "libtard" or "nazi".
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>>54516645
>Chinaman female heads.

Your welcome.

>>54516734
>Butter knife on a stick.
Wasn't there a movement to hand in all your knives over there a few years back? Oh right. "Save a life surrender your knife."
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>>54521783
In his butthole.
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>>54521780
I like it! Only slight concern is that maybe the highlight is a little too on point. But then again I sort of like the contrast. The scratches look great.
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>>54521749
What an insult to the Emperor's work. What does Cawl have at his disposal that the Emperor didn't? Or is GWs telling us that some old admech guy is that much smarter than the much older and far more powerful Emperor?
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>>54521749
Yeah, sure.
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>>54520632
last year around feb
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>>54521783
>>54521800
The picture of an excerpt from dark imperium has been in the last 3 threads. Don't be proud of your ignorance.
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Should I use Forgeworld Heresy Era Ultramarine heads for my Primaris? I think the gills on the standard helmets are ugly as fuck. However, they're similar to MkIV suits, so the Ultra heads, whoch are MkIV, shouldn't look out of place.
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>>54521791
The amount of terrain is more than enough. The only issue is that there are many windows and gaps. There aren't enough filled in GW buildings.
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>>54521761
You are quite welcome!
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>>54521840
i dont have time to be here all day, so please forgive me for having a job and a kid
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>>54521780
You're right, the highlights should be thinner. You should go for an edge highlight for the shoulder. The scratch looks nice.

Good luck painting your BAs. I'm starting an army of them myself, and I'll start painting my first models soon. Haven't painted for half a decade. I think I'll manage though.
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>>54521851
Have your kid keep up with the threads Anon. Geez..
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>>54521221
If I could run a good Inquisition army, I would. I just don't want to use Deathwatch or Grey Knights, besides Dreads.
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>>54521508
Mortal wounds are excellent.

t. Guy who uses them against wulfen
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>>54521851
I'll forgive you for the job but not the child.
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How was your day today? I won the most retarded game in my life few days ago and can't get enough of it.
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>>54521627
look like the types to have sex with young boys
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>>54521848
Two thirds of the terrain are at the table edge, where it's completely useless for anyone who is not a fucking deployment zone camper. I see 4 buildings that could actually block lline o sight and all of these have tons of holes as you mentioned. The problem can be mitigated by placing two half-ruins back to back so you can't snipe through windows that easily.

Either way, on that table, you won't be able to hide squat.
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>>54521875
its a girl, i cant have her enter the hobby, it will scare the nerds away

>>54521887
Dont worry, i wont forgive me either
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>>54521900
Please tell me you were chaos in this story.
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>>54521823
Thanks! I used Wild Rider red to highlight, I think it would probably look better if I'd used something less orange like Evil Sunz Scarlet though

>>54521872
Cheers, it's my first time painting in years, gotta practice more and more
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>>54521556

If you have or want them, use them because they're definitely great. Our fliers are excellent, too; my void raven has been great at 1000pts.
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>>54521840
Post it then.
Here comes the "not gonna spoonfeed" claim.
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>>54521918
Yep, that's my lord right there.
Here's him chilling on a dice throne!
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>>54521840
>>54521851

I have read that book. There is absolutely zero in there about not collecting old marines geneseed.
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>>54521967
thats a relief

Anyway, we are talking about the new " dark Imperium " book, right ?
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>>54521495

Its what I would do, were I a magos. Maybe not donkey, specifically, but there is no reason to half ass it when it comes to cybernetics. The flesh is weak, so why mimic a weak form?

You better believe I'd get snippy with the priests who were just "a guy wearing a backpack full of robot tentacles" too.
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2000pts Ynnari Bataillon detachment. Going for a fairly competitive list without relying on cheese.

Thoughts ?

>HQ
Yvraine – 132pts
Farseer Skyrunner – Singing Spear – 176pts

>TROOP
x10 Kabalite Warriors - 70pts
x10 Kabalite Warriors - 70pts
x11 Wyches - 99pts

>ELITE
x5 Kabalite Trueborn – x4 Blasters – 115pts
x5 Kabalite Trueborn – x4 Blasters - 115pts

>FAST ATTACK
x8 Reavers – x2 Grav' Talons - 250pts

>TRANSPORTS
Raider – Dark Lance – 115pts
Raider – Dark Lance – 115pts
Wave Serpent – Twin Linked Shuriken Cannon - 141pts
Venom – 80pts
Venom – 80pts

>FLYERS
Voidraven Bomber – Voidraven Missiles – 194pts
Crimson Hunter Exarch – x2 Star Cannon – 243pts
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>>54521984
Yep. There's some general sentiment from old marines that their time has passed, but zero about not collecting their geneseed.
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>>54521876
I hear you there. I would be running Inquisition if Crusaders, DCA and Arcos weren't considered Ministorum units.

I'd also run them more often if Acolytes were 1-10 as a unit and had more defensive customization like Carapace armor or Storm Shields. I'd also like to run them more often if Inquisitors were BS and WS2+ and Acolytes were BS and WS3+. Instead the whole army is basically just slightly more customizeable Guardsmen and Guard Commanders who don't have orders or invulnerable saves.

So I opt to run Guard with Ministorum and an Inquisitor or 2 and sometimes some Acolytes with them and that's basically my Inquisition army.
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>>54521781
>>54521848
Honestly this is usually the most amount of terrain I usually play with and it kicked my ass that game. Barely got any first turn shooting off so I had to advance pretty deeply into the Ork lines.Especially the Demolishers with their short range but they were god tier this game so I'm glad I brought them.
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>>54520724
>15 models in backlog
I have more models than that in various stages of painting in arms reach right now
please kill me
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Are monotheist daemon lists somewhat viable ?
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>>54522011
The other anon clearly plays a melee army. The amount of cover you have is a lot. I've played games with more terrain than that and it's basically all guns over 24 inch range are useless. What's the point of such range when there's no way to do anything with it?

I only have 1 Demolisher, but I always have a good time with it. I like to run 1 Battle Cannon, 1 Demolisher and 1 Punisher.
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>>54521845

Sounds good, they'll fit just fine.

>>54521876

If you're okay with inquisitorial stormtroopers you can just run scions with your inquisition list and kick a lot of ass.
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>>54522013
>started 40k with Orks 15 years ago
>Since then, my painting skills greatly improved
>with 8th edition making Orks good again, feel like repainting them
>tfw I have about 100 boyz, 5 walkers and 4 trukks to paint
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>>54520233
Anyone have that sisters of battle image?

the long story that ends with them being melted down as scrap to make other shit?
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>>54521967
Pfft this nigga can't read for beans.
> butthurtmanlet.jpeg
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>>54521745
Played a 1,500 AdMech + 1,500 T'au vs 3,000 Guard game last night. We fluffed it as my AdMech were working with the T'au to gain access to an STC or some sort of technology, and the Guard were there to stop the T'au in the first place.
I'm still new to 8th ed., so it went kinda slow, and we only got two full turns in because the store was closing.

Tau/Mech managed to kill the knight, a tank (don't remember which kind) and bring a vulture down to 1 wound remaining, and took out loads of conscripts.
Their Custodes wreaked havoc on the kroot and a squad of Vanguard, while securing and destroying an objective.
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>>54521733
Convince me to play BA pls.
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>tfw go to my first lgs to do some wargames
>mfw most of them are proud white supremacists and kekistani fucktards

please tell me this is not common among you guys, I just want to wargame with some nerds without morons taking their politics with them
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>>54522053
Guard, actually, but playing on tables like this is boring as fuck.
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>>54522042
I've tried with Nurgle. That's a resounding no. Even the Great Unclean One is trash for his points value.
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>>54522053
Ehhh so far the Battle Tanks have been pretty lack luster in their performance for me. And since we did opposing corners (at his request) my lack of 72" ranged weapons meant I pretty much just advanced and tried firing some lascannons first turn. But the Demolishers were super good. They obliterated everything and when he multi charged them both with his battle wagon they got three sixes for overwatch and pretty much obliterated it all the way down from full health.
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>>54522011
demolishers are my favorite LR variant to anon
they're the thing i miss the most now that i switched over to Elysians
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>>54521724
>>54521749
I mean, I wanna know why BL isn't taking advantage of the possible stories that come out of friction between Primaris and...old marines? We need an in-lore name for them.

But anyways I think it would be cool to see at least one particularly stubborn chapter torn apart by the rivalry.
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>>54522123
you want to be fast ?
you want more jumppacks than the raven guard ?
you like dreadnoughts ?
you like being more fabulous than the emperors children and almost as golden as the custodes ?
Go play Blood Angels
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>>54521967
>>54521984
>>54522004
Doing some digging, it looks like some anon something like four threads ago claimed that the new codex stated non-Primaris geneseed was no longer being collected.

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/54501178/#54501474

I'm digging through the grabs we have of the new codex, but can't seem to find where that would be stated.

https://17890-presscdn-0-51-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/SMPreviewSpread2.jpg

Mentions gene-seed and it being a finite resource, but nothing about its collection.
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>>54522129
Most people aren't such absolute spergs that they can't shut up about that crap during a game, but you're bound to get some autists in a hobby like this.

Speaking of going tonew FLGS, are there any anons in DFW who can tell me if Texas Toy Soldiers is good? I'm considering going there to participate in Fate of Konor, but I don't know a lot about the place. Is is a nice store? What are the best times to get a game as someone new to the store?
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>>54521884
Meh, Mortal Wounds aren't a big deal.

t.Guy who plays a guard army with almost no invuln saves.
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>>54522006
Know of any good conversions for Arco-Flaggelants? GW pricing on them is stupid
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Any ideas on how to houserule a Custodes HQ? I figure giving him the option to make some Custodes Units Deep Strike as his buff and 7 wounds would be good enough.
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>>54521602
>posting SHITUBI
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How do I defeat IG as Nids without dropping shitloads on FW? Nothing I do seems to work.
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>>54522129

Sperging about politics and driving out anyone who seriously adheres to any opposed ideology iS the only defense against being on the wrong end of a similar purge organized by other people. There is no such the as common ground or respectful neutrality anymore and it is a grim sign indeed. If half the country can't even peacefully encounter the other half anymore, social decay is inevitable. I fear this will all end in bloodshed on a horrifying scale.

But yes, it make gaming a little less plesant.
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>>54522193
Thanks for the digging, keep up the good job
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>>54522129
That is simply a survival tactic. You have to ward off the regressives preemptively or they'll eventually decide your community is too toxic or whatever they're calling being white these days and launch a social crusade to tear it down, and use the fact that you don't want to play games with their psycho asses as proof of how discriminatory you are.
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>>54522228
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>54522160
>got three sixes for overwatch and pretty much obliterated it all the way down from full health.
glorious , that reminds of when a LR killed girlyman , a primaris lieutenant and a primaris ancient in 1 turn of overwatch with it's multimeltas in my store
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>>54521666

Nothing mentioned about Sisters, sorry.

>>54521670

Just more Primaris stuff, no non Primaris new releases. Old Marine line continuing, more items being moved to direct only.

>>54521688

It'll take longer than a year to replace the Guard line, but it'll start in 2018

>>54521721

Anything that hasn't had a new model recently (new models include Crimson Slaughter, Death Guard, Thousand Sons for example) Old models basically anything else. Abaddon, new model, Lucius new model, new terminators, new regular Chaos dudes,

No female guard mentioned, Cadians being replaced, the bird is the word on a new Greatcoat faction (of Guard)
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>>54522209
I've been thinking of that myself, I'm not sure. Right now I use Witch Elves with their ears cut to look human as DCA and my Crusaders are made from a few Sigmar kits. I'll have to look through some more Sigmar kits to see if they have any models with whips. Otherwise I was just going to buy a few more normal Arcos.
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>>54522129
well wargames tend to draw in more right wing people, by virtue of the military nerds. So i guess you should assimilate.
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>>54521721
>Would it be too much to ask for some females in the mix?
Yes, fuck off.
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>>54522292
>Just more Primaris stuff, no non Primaris new releases. Old Marine line continuing, more items being moved to direct only.
Are we expecting Terminator models to be rereleased in some form? Maybe Primaris terminator equivalents? Or are those the Aggressors?

Also, can you share some codex release date?
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>>54522292

Anything about Xenos? Tau and Ork in particular, I want to contrast with other rumours
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Yo is that anon who made the Arbites out of cadians and skitarii here?
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>>54522109
>He thinks I play marines.
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>>54520860

Christ yes. Right now they're almost entirely outclassed by Big Choppas.

Pity we won't see a Codex until 2018.
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>>54522190
Sound fair.
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Daily reminder that a charge is a roll of A SINGLE 2D6 die anyone who claims otherwise is a WAAC fag
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>>54522351
Fuck me those are nice. Skitarii vanguard heads are an absolute godsend for conversions.
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>>54522409
Daily reminder that you're an illiterate retard who can't seem to understand the definition of the word "single"
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>>54522409
>Single
>2d6
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>>54522409
you remind me of the retards in the bars around here I ask them what 2+2 is and they non-ironically answer 5
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Can we talk about Shadow War here?
If so, any suggestions on how to improve my kill team?

++ Ork Boyz Kill Team (Ork Boyz Kill Team) [1000pts] ++

+ Uncategorised +

Clan: Goffs

+ Leader [205pts] +

Boss Nob [205pts]: 'Eavy armour [25pts], Choppa [10pts], Slugga [10pts]

+ Troopers [320pts] +

Boy [80pts]: Choppa [10pts], Slugga [10pts]

Boy [80pts]: Choppa [10pts], Slugga [10pts]

Boy [80pts]: Choppa [10pts], Slugga [10pts]

Boy [80pts]: Choppa [10pts], Slugga [10pts]

+ Specialists [255pts] +

Spanner Boy [255pts]: Clip harness [10pts], Slugga [10pts]
. Big shoota [165pts]: Red-dot laser sight [15pts]

+ New Recruits [220pts] +

Yoof [55pts]: Shoota [25pts]

Yoof [55pts]: Shoota [25pts]

Yoof [55pts]: Shoota [25pts]

Yoof [55pts]: Shoota [25pts]

++ Total: [1000pts] ++
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>>54522292
i am not sure whether i will like new non cadian guard models....
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Honestly the weirdest thing of this game was getting gunlined by Orks instead of having it the other way around.They had a whole row of Lootas in the backfield with a mak and some kind of random strength gun firing at me the whole time. It got super close at the end too. But off to work anons see you all later.
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>>54522351
Where are those shoulder pads from?
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>>54520692

finished a unit of skitarii this weekend, now on to painting a corvus blackstar I'm using as a stormraven proxy for my GK
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>Mfw brushies spend hundreds of hours trying to replicate the smooth shading I get with an airbrush in seconds
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>>54521053
>No, there is currently no model for the power stabba.

Just about every Choppa in the Nob box is a power-stabba. They've always had wires and little generator boxes on them that have previously done nothing because for still unknown reasons Orks couldn't take Power Axes. That's why power-stabbas were added in: it's to represent those weapons.
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>>54522460
>Can we talk about Shadow War here?
no
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>>54521653
>party line
>not setting up your own party and then dissolving it once the threat is gone
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>>54522476
kys dumb frogposter
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>>54522473
SoS my guy
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>>54522468
Don't worry anon, they will have some semblance to Cadians because they need a generic basic vanilla Sci-fi trooper for people to use as a template for their dudes. We aren't going to get plastic DKOK but we won't get something particularly flashy either
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>>54521656
And why would I play an NPCfaction
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>>54522508
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>>54521721
>gender mix squads
>hello everyone here's Jennifer, and we'll also be using women in our squads from now on despite imperial population dropping through the floor
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>>54522493
>dude posts a woman with down syndrome and a chris-chan style lego obcession
>you call him a frogposter

jesus christ the autism
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>>54521824
Cawl has the primarchs literally, rather than working off genexode left behind
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>>54522234
Start collecting genestealer Guard
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>>54522078
No one?
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>>54522547
Holy fuck... what if Sangy is coming back because Crawl cloned that mother fucker?!
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>>54522460
Just play infinity instead
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>>54521835
Oh that's fine then, sorry for being so crass, but yeah YouTube used to be gold for 40k, less so for fantasy because Grognards didn't understand the concept of a moving picture outside movies
>captcha CADA
Literally one letter off
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>>54522466
If only they didn't have the retarded looking rebreather.
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Bitches.
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>>54522234
Swarmlord + 80 genestealers + hive guard + exocrine + 120 termagaunts.
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>>54522566
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/20259461/#p20263019
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>>54521703
Exactly what it say son the tin. They had quickly put together rules for fantasy for a period.
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>>54521845
But mkX isn't artificer anon as people might find it hard to paint
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>>54522610
Agreed. In my most quiet moments, I dream of the arbites getting released again as Inquisition troops
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>>54521966
What happened?
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>>54522431
He's an idiot or baiting but FAQ supersedes the rules, and has made it clear that rerolls are of both dice, not one.
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>>54521967
>not collecting the manlet seed and using cawl's wonder primaris o matic to make even more chads

seriously why would they even do that, the galaxy is about to get eaten by tyranids/orks/khaos and that shitposter is like THEY LET IT ROT LOL
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How the hell should i equip my raptors? plasma pistol and 2 plasma guns? maybe flamers?
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>>54522630
If they do rerelease them, I'm hoping they release them more along the lines of the limited edition model instead of the original models with the awful eagle helmets.
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Can Blood Angels have Aggressors and Redemptor Dreadnoughts ? They're not in the Index, after all.
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>>54522626
wut?
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Any anons live in Reading, England or nearby, and know good places to play 40 and 30k
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>>54522646
Except in cases where otherwise stated, which the command reroll falls under, because it explicitly says you may reroll a "sinlge dice"
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>>54522662
I'd like that. I keep wishing they'd make some sort of generic human body and just release added sprues for it in different boxes. Box 1: Guards. Box 2: Arbites. Box 3: Inquisitor custom bits
But that'd be too smart
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>>54522234
Flamers
Lascannons
Not sucking

Choose 3
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>>54521508
Chaos contemptors can dish out mortal wounds pretty easily
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>>54522675
The datasheets for the following units can be found within
the models’ boxes:
• Aggressor Squad
• Primaris Captain
• Primaris Librarian 1
• Redemptor Dreadnought
• Reiver Squad
Add all of these units to the list of units that can be from the
Blood Angels (pg 89, Index: Imperium 1), Dark Angels (pg 107,
Index: Imperium 1), Space Wolves (pg 130, Index Imperium 1)
and Deathwatch (pg 171, Index: Imperium 1) Chapters (or their
Successors).
1 Primaris Librarians from the Dark Angels gain the
Deathwing keyword and the Unforgiven ability (pg 107,
Index: Imperium 1). Primaris Librarians from the Space
Wolves generate their psychic powers from the Tempestas
discipline (pg 131, Index: Imperium 1) instead of the
Librariusdiscipline.
If you are playing a matched play game, the points cost
for these models and any items of wargear they have are
foundbelow:


https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-3/239fhfght_ENG_Primaris_Marines_Release_03_July_22nd.pdf
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>>54520303
>who gives a shit
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>>54522478
That's not a stabba that's a choppa boss
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>>54522578
HE IS LOTERALLY IN A SARCOFAGUS AND SOUNDS WHERE HEARD COMING FROM IT IN BLOODTIDE
Captcha formation
They can't keep getting away with it
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>>54522711
Nids don't have lascannons or flamers
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>>54522729

>deathwatch can be primaris now

oh god fucking damnt after I finished painting all my new shit they have to add that in
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Southern Vermonter here, anyone in the Albany, NY or Western MA area up for a game this weekend? It would be my first game of 8th, pretty small game.
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>>54522723
Interesting, I'll check it out
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>>54522772
they can ally IG units, so in a way they can.

but i'm not the anon you are quoting
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How do I paint nurglings?

Talking mainly Nurglings on my Death Guard? Those loveable scamps. I think they're fine now but a bit indistinct since they kinda look the same as the power armour colour.
>>
Any Southern English gamers here?
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>>54520371
> i always knew they would get squated
> that's why I never finished my army guis seriously
Not because you suck at painting, and have no skill. Because (You) knew, deep down.
Ok anon.
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>>54522772
>Nids don't have flamers
>What is Pyrovores
>What is Brood Brothers
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Are we expecting to get a point increase in these?
23ppm with prism rifle
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>>54522351
only the torsos are cadians , the limbs are scions
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>>54522798
Spray white, wash nurglings with green, yellow, orange and brown shades.
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>>54522798
>thatsthepoint.jpg
>>54522813
Well excuse me, Princess
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Should I do DKoK + Legion of the Damned as my next army or some Mad Max style Orks?

Also how do you paint something on fire like legionnaires armor without it looking like a shitty Guy Fieri t-shirt?
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>>54522693
Why would that be an exception to the FAQ saying that when you have something that rerolls, it rerolls both?
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>>54522798
Paint them bright red then do a lazy coat of green/brown so all the cracks and wounds stay red.
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>>54522833
Legion of the damned my nigga. Ghost riders in space is too good.
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>>54522838
>why would except in cases where it only says to reroll one dice be stated as an exception to an FAQ which said you must reroll all dice on things which have you roll multiple dice?
Anon, come on. Think about what you just asked
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>>54522616
Thanks anon. You da real MVP.
>>
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Changeling

>the time he snuck a trio of Nurglings onto the Skull Throne, creating a hideous noise and an unholy mess the next time Khorne sat down
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>>54522292
>nothing mentioned about sisters
Well, these rumors just got 500% more credible
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>>54522833
Mad Max Orks you fukkin git
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>>54522867
Except the FAQ clearly is setting up the point that a reroll is a reroll, not a partial reroll.
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Aggressors seem kinda nice, but I fear they have a rather low survivability for their cost of 43 ppm. Is it possible to transport them in something else than a Repulsor ?
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>>54522811
Seems fair. They are only T3 with 1W and can't Deep Strike, they aren't all that great.
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>>54522800
Asked me 9 months ago, before i moved to fucking scotland, then yes
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>>54522887
are you drunk?
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>>54522896
Can't they deep strike ?
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>>54522694
I would even be happy if FW gave them some rules. Just make them an auxiliary unit or something for Guard/Inquisition.
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>>54522900

did you see that part where they can move to the halfway point of the board turn 1 and delete any marine unit in the game in their own deployment zone
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>>54522880
>Mad Max orks
>Not gold plated gits
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>>54522896
thunderhawk?
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>>54522915

If scions could take shotguns or bolters they would be perfect
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>>54522798
the easiest?

1: prime with deathguard green or similar
2: wash with camoshade wash
3: highlight with deathguard green
4: paint details
5: wash with liquid skill (agrax earthshade)
6: highlight details
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>>54522912
Unfortunately, Aggressors cannot deep strike. But if you want deep strike... fear not! All the models from the Terminator line are still available on the games workshop website! Gravis armor is TOTALLY NOT the replacement of Terminator armor. We promise!!!!

>t. nu gw
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>>54522896
Raven guard can transport them in the shadows, if that counts.
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>>54522896

Stormbird or thunderhawk.

They're not really much squishier than a bike now for approximately the same cost (with weapons)
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>>54522887
>‘Some rules allow you to re-roll a dice roll, which means you get to roll some or all of the dice again. If a rule allows you to re-roll a result that was made by adding several dice together (e.g. 2D6, 3D6, etc.) then, unless otherwise stated, you must roll all of those dice again. You can never re-roll a dice more than once, and re-rolls happen before modifiers (if any) are applied.’
>If a rule allows you to re-roll a result that was made by adding several dice together (e.g. 2D6, 3D6, etc.) then, unless otherwise stated, you must roll all of those dice again. You can never re-roll a dice more than once, and re-rolls happen before modifiers (if any) are applied.’
>If a rule allows you to re-roll a result that was made by adding several dice together (e.g. 2D6, 3D6, etc.) then, unless otherwise stated, you must roll all of those dice again.
>unless otherwise stated, you must roll all of those dice again.
>unless otherwise stated
>Command Re-roll
>You can re-roll any single dice.
>>
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?349410-HUGE-40k-(-amp-Hobbit)-release-list
Reminder not to trust rumours, see how long it took thousand sons to come out
>>54522901
I'll pray for your soul anon, worse than pakis the Scots are
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>>54522916
Oh sorry, so they are ""broken"" if the eldar player goes first and his opponent deployed an expensive unit in full view within 30" of them. Gotcha.

Also, their guns are D1, good luck "deleting" anything with that. I'll take Sourges over this shit every day of the week
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>>54522955

I thought the defining feature of terminator armor was the 2+ save and 5++, not the 5 bolters strapped to each one
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>>54522955
1) its not a terminator replacement
2) just deepstrike then by being ravenguard
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>>54522955
It's new not nu because some of it is good, and we've already seen Gravis replaces centurions
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>>54522900
>>54522916
warlock gives them -2 to hit, autarch gives their prism rifles rerolls of 1's to hit missing on 2's, farseer gives a unit fortune so rerolling misses, soulburst for extra phases of shooting

It's kind of goofy. They should be around 33 PPM with weapon
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>>54521053
>>54522478
>>54522747
I'm pretty sure this is a power-stabba. One in every box of Nobz.
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>>54522791

Behold. Stick a soul burner into each fist and do up 2d3 mortal wounds hitting on 2+
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>>54522772
Are you reading from the imperial guardsman's uplifting infantry primer or something?
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>>54523005
Looks more like a grappling hook really
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>>54523014
>he thinks there are other truths but the imperial truth
>>54523005
Ya boss dats da one
How do orks not die of infection from putting metal on themselves so much, normal fungi can get bacterial infections
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>>54522811
>Aeldari

This cant be fucking real, holy shit

GW cant be this oblivious can they? They realize how bad this looks, right?
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>>54522873

The changeling is unironically my favorite chaos character. The old metal model is infinitely better than the new plastic.
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>>54523038
8 months late dummy
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>>54522991

>leaving them within 30" of them

Uh, plus the 12" for deployment. Sorry that you put anything within 42" of my table edge on a 48" board I guess

>also their guns are D1, good luck deleting anything

What the fuck does D1 have to do with killing MEQs? They have on average 2 shot BS3+ plasma guns that can't overcharge on a jump pack unit for 10 points more than an ordinary marine
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>>54523037
If they think they're healthy, they're healthy.

Orks are terrifying creatures.
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>>54523026
Reivers still another factions stuff
>>54523038
How easily can you trademark a one letter change compared to three, and it's just eldari the a is silent
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>>54523037
Because they are tough as fuck. You can chop the head off of one, sow it on another body and the Ork will be fighting within minutes.
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How to start Demons? New to 40k, are they fun? I'd like them pure, without CSM
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>>54522791
>>54523013

Behold for real this time!
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>>54523037
>The main symptoms [of tetanus] include:
>stiffness in your jaw muscles (lockjaw)
>painful muscle spasms – which can make breathing and swallowing difficult
>a high temperature (fever) of 38C (100.4F) or above
>sweating
>a rapid heartbeat
A lot of these seem to fit orks, actually.
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>>54523087
>>54523087
Start Collecting daemons
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>>54523026
Harpoon launcher. My guess is that GW came up with rules for it as part of the "no model without rules, no rules without model" policy.

I wonder if you could make a decent phone game out of an Ork-themed Bionic Commando clone.
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>>54523037
because they mastered the placebo effect
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Death Company Dread with Blood Talons, 2x Heavy Flamer and Magna-Grapplers : 232 pts

Chadnought with big gatling, small gatling, two storm bolters and AA rockets : 202 pts

Which one do I buy, /tg/ ?
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>>54522955
Take the raptors guy that gives up to 3 infantry squads deepstrike.

Space marines have an HQ for literally everything. May as well take that one if you're not taking BiS warlord(GMan).
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>>54523075
Then how come dark eldar are the best at purging them
Check mate biel tan
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cant wait for the Adeptus Astartesâ„¢ Revengitusâ„¢ Dreadnaueghtâ„¢ with Plaesma Caenonâ„¢ and Haeavy Aessault Caenenonâ„¢

Or Oerukâ„¢ Scraep Lootaezâ„¢ with Uege Choeppazâ„¢ and ScraepBlaestazâ„¢
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Primaris Marines should really have been their own faction
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>>54523172
>picking chapters for rules

Literally the worst kind of player
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>>54523194
>telegraph to the critics that old marines will be killed off via another global campaign we skew results of
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>>54523073
I was taking into account that the Eldar player goes first and so deployed first, so no, 30".

And killing MeQ isn't harldly an accomplishment, that's why you don't footslog marines in the first place. I mean yhea, your 230pts unit can kill, what, 80pts of tacticals per turn on average ? Big fucking deal m8. For that price I'd rather have one more Crimson Hunter.

>>54523003
So you need to take three different HQs and dedicate them all to them to make them good ? I hardly how it makes them broken by any stretch.
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>>54522236
>>54522261

you two are dangerously retarded
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>>54523208
Hahahahahahaha I hope to God this is what happens.
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>>54523208
They literally aren't allowed by law to rig contests.
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>>54523238
Is this a meme? Or are they really not allowed to fuck with it?
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>>54523238
>contests
How is this a contest? Theres no prize or end goal really at all
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>>54523093
Nice. I wonder which is more points efficient, it or two sorcerers?
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>>54520555
I'm seriously hoping for a huge point drop on Tyranid Crushing Claws in the same manner. They're 24 points and actually less combat efficient than scything talons in a lot of situations.
Thing is, they look cool, so I want them to be good.
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>>54523238

Those don't meet the legal standard of a contest.
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>>54523230
Imperium secundus in the HH BL series was just to see how okay people are with changing the imperium, the Noctis Atenae will clearly be the River that splits the imperium in two, and then three if they want DA to be proud fags, Cawl is clearly going to fight with traditional mechs who disagree with him
I actually want a gay character just to see how they'd die, and if it's a space marine make it clear chaplains see all sexual urges as had
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>>54523005

Couldn't you just use this to count as a 'urty syringe for a painboy?
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>>54522808
Show me where nids specifically have flamers not flamer type weapons you fucking idiot.
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>>54523238
Can GW employees participate in the campaign?
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>>54523183
HIRED!
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>>54523222
You don't need an autarch but if you take alot of them it's more than 100 rerollable S6 AP -3 shots a turn.
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>>54523194

Literally why

>>54523222

>I was taking into account that the Eldar player goes first and so deployed first, so no, 30".

What the fuck have you not played 8th, that is not how you determine who goes first

>And killing MeQ isn't harldly an accomplishment, that's why you don't footslog marines in the first place.

I'm now under the impression you haven't played since 5th

>I mean yhea, your 230pts unit can kill, what, 80pts of tacticals per turn on average

They'll kill 8 MEQs per turn with zero buffs, with buffs they'll reliably kill any 10 man T4 3+ unit in the game

There's a really good reason they're in nearly every dumb tournament netlist since FW xenos came out.
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>>54522077
Man, I have 100 Boyz still NIB. Don't be a bitch, paint your dudes.
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>mfw new Guard minis have plenty of female soldiers
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>>54523267

Well, the brute can target things that aren't the closest, while also being a murderbot. However, the points on the dread melee weapons are fucked.

Contemptor 116
Soulburner 23
Deathclaw 40
Chainclaw 45

So, 2 fists plus 2 burners is 242, or 247 is you want the chain, which you do. However, it does regain wounds as it murders things in melee.
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How good are the Incubi? Are they worth taking in an elite slot over some trueborn with special weapons?
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>>54522198
TTS is great, good community. The place is most full on Fridays and Saturdays. Talk to either Moe or Mark, they are the managers. Nice guys.
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>>54523347
>Literally why
Because they literally invalidate the entire pre-existing faction of space marines
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>>54523277
The prize is winning the campaign.

It takes skill.

It is a contest. They aren't allowed to fuck with it.
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>>54523222
>taking multiple crimson hunter after the recent faq
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>>54523377
You're an idiot
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>1 leman russ command tank all plasma
>3 leman russ all plasma
>4 vultures with punisher
>saergent harker

Is this a good idea?
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>>54523353
>posting one bleach
Why
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>>54523355
Yes now tell me where you found some inquisitive Archon Anon.
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>>54523358

How? While they share themes, ruleswise, their units do it very differently and they have quite a bit of synergy between the two.
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>>54522794
>>54522808
>ally with IG units
He was talking about TYRANIDS, not genestealer cults. Tyranids only have access to the pyrovore, which is a gimmiky unit which still isn't good, and no equivalent to lascannons.
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>>54523392
What would you call it then?
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>>54523413
>no lascannons
>what are Warp Lances
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>>54522292
Current guard infantry is the only thing stopping me from getting a guard army going. I'd be pleased if this was true.
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>>54523377
>chaos wins
loyalst marines take heavy losses, with many chapters becoming totaly primaris as they pick up the pieces

>loyalists win
The imperium has won but at heavy cost. Many chapters have been depleted, with many becoming entirely primaris
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>>54523419
Cowardice
>>54523428
Savlar chemdogs from genestealers anon
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Can someone post the procedure anon used to convert the epubs to pdfs?

I can't find the Redeye font anywhere and the epubs mangle them.
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>>54523442
>Guilliman makes everyone primaris by wasting lives so he may have sons once more and not fanatics
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>>54523222

>only kills 8 marines in a shooting phase

what the fuck

you know that spectres are only beaten by shit like genestealers in marine killing per point capacity and they dont even have to be in melee to do it.
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>>54523294
>Weapon hits automatically
>Has D6 shots
>A 10" range
>-1 AP
>Has the word "flame" in its name
>But it's not a flamer because I said so
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>>54523412
Oh I mean fluffwise.
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>>54523423
Warp Lances aren't Lascannons. Next time say the actual unit instead of lazy similar weapons. You fucking moron.
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>>54523471
>lets take the most iconic faction in 40k then get rid of what makes it unique

brilliant
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>>54523485
Right, it's not a flamer. It's whatever the weapon is called. Just like a Power Claw is not a Power Fist.

You fucking idiot.
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>>54523393
Lemans are fucking garbage at the moment. Take basically anything else.
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>>54523495

They partially are, only preexisting chapters will be mixed as their replacements are made with primaris

The new ultima founding chapters are pure primaris and dgaf about non-chads
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>Blood Angels are unique in part due to their Death Company
>Chads don't get the Black Rage

Is Geedubs trying to kill the best chapter?
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>>54523521
Normal ones maybe, but Pask and Tank Commanders are absolutely good.
>>
Is anyone else ever bothered by the fact that the board is usually the most neglected element of 40k?

Playing on a well built table with badass terrain makes games ten times better.
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>>54523391
Taking ~2 is still good. Just don't do it under 1k or take 5+. Just because flyers don't count towards being tabled doesn't mean that efficient and manoeuvrable units aren't good.

Just because all stormravens is a dead list doesn't mean that stormravens aren't the best, most efficient, durable, and highest damage output for their points unit let alone transport in the game.
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>>54523516
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>>54523521
Wat

a leman russ with 3 heavy flamers is a hard counter to assault armies
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Full release intercessors when?!
>>
Why are Dark Lances so based?
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>>54523483 new thread
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>>54523535

we play with at least 9 big ruins plus plenty of shit in the streets in our store. Its pretty great
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>>54523535
Yep, it's one thing almost every other good games has going for it, like at the epic scales, Mordheim, and even infinity.

Pic related
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>>54523485
Flamers have 8" range and autohit? Also by your argument D-Scythes aren't a flamer.
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>>54523160
Between Black Rage, smaller size and the non-decaying profile the DC dread is actualy fairly durable, while Black Rage, Grapple and rerolls to hit make it a potent melee threat.Heavy flamers aren't amazing, but fairly solid overall.
The Redemptor meanwhile shits out endless amounts of anti-infantry firepower, but has to deal with being bleh in melee.
They have very distinct roles.
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>>54523559
That's so expensive for what will be fired about 1 time. A regular Leman with Battle Cannon and 3 Heavy Flamers amounts to 205 points. A tank commander with 3 heavy bolters, punisher cannon and storm bolter amounts to 213 points.
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>>54520506
How's Hamburg these days? Riots over right?
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>>54520301
Well first of all, I wouldn't bother giving the sybarite so much kit, he won't end up using it inside the raider most likely.

You want a second venom.

In fact, you want a second raider full of kabalites as well.

Scourges do better with blasters than dark lances, due to them being able to deep strike into range and you don't want the -1 to hit with the DLs.
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>>54523533
They better fucking not
Also found out varg was a meme in 2012 what the fuck
>>
>>54523567
scourges with yvraine are amazing
>>
>>54523605
I don't think you understood what I meant.
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>>54523567
Because DE is best race, obviously.
>>
>>54523689
>>54523605
>>54523485
Flamers are used by Imperials, Chaos and GSC. Other armies use similar variants, but they aren't Flamers.
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>>54523523
>The new ultima founding chapters are pure primaris
Besides from all the named characters and already existing astartes.
The founding chapters are far from manlet free.
It's going to be order 66. Mark my words.
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>>54523172
Except you can't use that guy to infiltrate Primaris.
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>>54523535
yes, im extremely bothered by it, thats why i love making terrain
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>>54523707
What about eldar, they have flamers
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>>54520301
Expand the list by taking more of what you find good.

Classic examples are:
Venom + Warriors
Raider + Warriors
Ravager
Larger Reaver Squad
Venom + Trueborn

You're not really running any melee but if you wanted to you could also include:
Witches + Raider

No clue if Incubi are good this edition or if Mandrakes are worth it.

Alternatively I know for a fact that Voidravens are good and Razorwing is decent so those are good options.
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>>54522409
Every day till you suicide
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>>54523707
>Being this unable to understand the semantics behind the colloquialism

>>54523784
He's not acknowledging Eldar weapons as flamers, either.
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>>54523707
Eldar have actual flamers on the wraithlord and Heavy Flamers on Fire Dragon Exarchs.
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>>54523831
Like I said, you're fucking stupid.
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>>54523831
Am aware, but eldar flamers are literally named flamer.
>>
I'd just like to draw your attention to the fact y'all have spent the last month and a half asking if space marines, the product line that outsells everything else GW makes combined, are going to be squatted.
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>>54523867
Shut up, we're arguing about flamers.
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>>54523836
>>54523842
Neat, but that has nothing to do with Tyranids having "flamers". Things have names for a reason.
>>54523867
Yeah, shut up you big gay idiot.
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>>54523867
>The most widely sold army
>Getting a whole new set of boxes and kits that are to replace the old obsolete models that people already have
It's just business really
>>
>>54523900
There are three horses in front of you. One is a Percheron, one is a Clydesdale, and one is a Falabella. They all look different from each other, and they all have different names, but they are all still horses.
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>>54523533
Where did you read this?? This is literally the only reasons I'm starting a BA Primaris army.
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>>54522969
That isn't actually 'otherwise stated' you fucking idiot. Otherwise stated would be saying you explicitly can reroll only one.
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>>54524021
Flamers aren't horses. Tyranids don't have Flamers OR LASCANNONS.

You

fucking

idiot.
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>>54523810

According to chart anon, Incubi are green in points to wounds ratio against all infantry. Take that as you will. As someone with a bunch of wyches, they're not terrible. Brides are generally better, but a bunch of T4 wyches are nice tarpits for infantry.
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>>54523707
Dis git is right, burnas ain't flamers
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>>54523836
Storm Guardians get flamers, too
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>>54524070
Tau has flamers
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>>54521809
>wants to pay for retards

>doesn't want to be labeled
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>>54524109
TAU AREN'T TYRANIDS
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>>54524057
see
>>54523821
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>>54524070
If this is how we're doing it, fine. Genestealer Cult has the Tyranid keyword. They are Tyranids. They also have access to weapons that explicitly contain the word flamer. Ergo, Tyranids do have flamers and I win the argument. I hope you are satisfied now.
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>>54524124
Yes?
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>>54521809
Eat shit marxist trash
>>
>>54524124

or are they?
>>
>>54524153
I am more than satisfied mentally, but I am lacking physically. Now that you have me aroused, take me.
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>>54524189
I shall not be gentle, dear adversary.
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>>54524237
Perfect, tear me up and rub it in that you're smarter than me.
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>>54523423
Don't exist anymore. Enjoy your Smite.
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>>54522693
But "dice" is plural.
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>>54524947
I fucking hate that GW uses dice as a singular. It's fucking asinine.
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>>54520692
Forgot how much of a pain in the ass it is shortening guardsmen's legs to make them Squats. Trying to finish making/painting another 10 infantry/vets before FoK.
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>>54521927
I've seen Blood Angels with Black, Gold, and no shoulderpad trim. Im leaning towards gold, but what's your opinion?
>>
Man, that chart opened my eyes a bit about GSC

Looks like the best way to break armor (even with AM detachments available) is to load up some Aberrants in a Goliath Rock Grinder or ambush some Acolytes with Power Drills. That's way better than Leman Russ or even HWTs from IG
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>>54521533
>mfw bullgryns are basically walking autocannons with better saves/hit rolls
Give us more of your delicious tears, manling.
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>>54520233

Can anyone either
A. Tell me where I can buy a fucking Eldar Solitaire
B. Direct me to a Not!Warhammer seller that sells Not!Solitaires
C. Help me kitbash a Solitaire (I'm usually pretty good at this but they just don't look distinctive enough to where I can come up with an idea that I'm happy with)
D. Direct me to Chinaman I can buy it from

Pretty please? Really want this model and I fucking refuse to buy from asshole ebayers who basically scalp the models.
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>>54526356
honestly the best place to find them is gonna be at LGS. Some places still have some backstock of models that are getting scalped.
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>>54522190
You want to be a transsexual?
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