Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

So, what's stopping me taking librarians in a BT army?

If the answer is "nothing" then I will.

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>>54517483
Didnt we already have this edition.....

>>54517509
Your sense of self worth.

>>54517509
You not being a faggot, which it sounds like you are, so have fun fag

>>54517513
Probably.

I make like half the OPs when I dont have work and I don't have that many images for OPs.

Most of the nurgle OPs? Me.

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>>54517534
6th for Warhawks

>>54517509
A specific rule if you go by the new codex. BT detachments cannot have librarians.

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So I didn't realise these are actually cheaper than Ravagers dollars wise, and unless I'm doing the math wrong they're the same points cost assuming I'm running Dark Lances on both; with all Disintegrators the Ravager is actually more expensive.

Is there any reason to not that the Razorwing over the Ravager?

What is the most cheese or broken shit each faction can bring to 25 PL game?

You can fit a Knight Warden or a Bunch of Berserkers with chainaxe

Anything else?

>>54517565
Could you not simply take a Second Detachment? With I do not know Salamanders?

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>>54517483
Nth for will I ever play this game?

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Any word at all on the CSM codex?

Any guesses what might change from index to codex?

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>>54517416
I think there was a rule about named characters not taking other chapter tactics or was that warlord traits?

Robbie G can't take the +1 Wound and FNP Warlord trait because Ultramarine or something.
>I'm not a marine player I don't know this intimatly.

In OP's defense, you do get an actual 8+ charge that you can re-roll if you have sources to do that.

And what is a Raptor? i didn't find that keyword in the Imperium 1 book but I assume it's the assault marines thing.
>Are <Raptor> a faction or a unit keyword is what I'm trying to ask.

>>54517565
Does it say librarians?
Because if so they can probably take other Imperium keyword psykers

Whats the verdict on the sicaran punisher variant? was thinking of converting + magnetising my standard one so I can run either but not sure it's worth it

>>54517574
50 pink horrors.

Alternitively, you could grab a bunch of Chaos Characters and summon them instead.

>>54517574
160 conscripts, Harker, and a Commissar

>>54517517
>>54517531
They happily worked together with xenos psykers under gulliman, it only makes sense they would lighten up and take some magic crusaders escpellically science they pretty much owe their chapters continued existence to him.

>>54517570
I prefer the voidraven for my flier spots.

>>54517604
It's a dayum shame their sergeant doesn't get a power sword like the intercessor one.

>>54517596
Legion tactics that are all around worse than Ultramarine chapter tactics

>>54517556
I thought primaris marines were t5

>>54517607
God damn it!

Guess my plan of running stupid list to troll stuff like the 3 faggots bringing a single knight. Might get dick over by cheap spamming.

>>54517509
Any respectable BT player should not take librarians. The "new canon" of them only hating "renegade and xenos psykers" is absolute fucking garbage.

If you don't care what people will think of you, by all means take a supreme command detachment of them.

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>>54517615
"Happily" and the chapter Black Templars do not go hand in hand.
If anything they starved themselves half to death just to spite the poor witches under Gulliman's guile.

What unit is the best troop choice in the game?

>>54517597
Raptors are a faction, a successor chapter of raven gaurd, known for being sneaky, using camo and being operator marines.

Which is why the original guy was such a massive fucking faggot, because not only do we know the the parent chapter of the raptors, but the raven gaurd tactics fit the raptors perfectly. The only reason to make the completely bullshit claim that they're BT successors is to try and do massively unfluffy and outright incorrect WAACfag shit.

>>54517637
As a Chaos player I actively hold myself back knowing I could just spam summon daemons from any of my lists.

>>54517661
Warriors maybe

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>GW releases a generic "primarch" statline
What do you do?

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>>54517450

Hiveguard kit.

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>>54517641
You replied to someone asking if something was RaW legal.
You answered that "yes, it is RaW legal."
>people will be offended by your list not being proper fluffy.
>People will be offended by you playing legal lists.
>People will be offended by you not adhering to their favorite old-times fluff.

>>54517629
Gravis Armour gives +1 T. Which Inceptors and Aggressors wear.

I need a good list maker. BattleScribe's 8th edition doesn't have stuff like Icon's and Instruments for Daemons, while the Mobile Version does but doesn't seem to have Daemons at all (well, unified). I was fiddling around with a stupid meme list, but I dunno how many Bloodcrushers can go in a unit. It was something like:

HQ: Skulltaker
HQ: Herald of Khorne
HQ: Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut
Troop: x20 Bloodletters
Troop: x20 Bloodletters
Troop: x20 Bloodletters
Elite: x5 Bloodcrushers
Elite: x5 Bloodcrushers
Elite: x5 Bloodcrushers

Something like 1495 I think. Idea was to plonk Skulltaker and Herald in centre of the Bloodletters. Meaning they git on a 2+ for S6. Herald and Skulltaker hit at S7. Meanwhile Herald on Juggernaut makes the Bloodcrushers melee at S6 (I think) and Horns at S8.

I suspect it'd be easily destroyed anyway.

>>54517615
>Ultramarines are the best
>May as well throw out what makes other chapters interesting and unique
Pathetic smurf logic.

>>54517597

Raptor is a chapter keyword

>>54517683
Build a lost legion marine army

>>54517641
They gate all psykers again, Anon.

>>54517600
Then it's not a BT detachment, they're talking about going full black templars.

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>>54517683
You know what would happen.

>>54517622
Yeah, I guess FoC considerations are a factor. Aside from that I can't see much in the Ravagers favour, as I think the missiles are a better deal than the extra Dark Lance/Disintegrator and it gets the Hard to Hit benefit too.

>>54517683
If you're gunna steal my OC at least give it the filename "Sisters" or "Shitsters of Basshole" if you're a super memer

>>54517669
Yeah ok, that makes sense now.
Thanks for actually explaining instead of calling me a faggot. I appriciate it!

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>>54517683

Time for my female primarch to appear.

>>54517671
But you still have to set aside the points for the daemons you summon. I don't see how that's broken or necessarily amazing? Your psykers are just defacto transports at that point.

>>54517679
So, many people seem to have the book already. Any descent scans? What you're posting is from an hour long video that doesn't take a look at point values and changed dataslates, only the new ones.

>>54517671
Do you play points or power levels

Points, there's no reason not to summon. It's basically Daemon's version of a transport.

Power level, I don't know enough on how summoning works in PLs to comment.

Hey guys, total newb here looking to get into 40k. Ive spent some time looking at the armies, and my wifes boyfriend told me i should play eldar. I like how they look, are they any good?

>>54517688

>what's stopping me
Mentions RaW/"in the rules" at all? No.
Answer is the same.

>>54517509
Same thing stopping you running a white scars army as ultramarines in 30k
Nothing but your dignity
>>54517645
>Chapter Master of the Black Templars I have brought you some Primaris recruits
>and why is that elder here
>what eldar, and their preferred pronoun in Aeldari now
>that one standing next to you
>oh he's Josephus Saracel, primaris librarian who leads this detachment of reinforcements of black templars
>I do not care if he is there leader or not, the edict of Nikea shall still be kept by, surely you remember it, you were there Guilliman and spoke in its defence

>>54517728
I meant in powerlevel games

>>54517688
>people will be offended by your list not being proper fluffy
Well, yes.

>>54517660
>lets make a unit around assault weapons which allow running and shooting.
>let's give them power fists too
>let's not allow them to run and charge though
>lets also give them 5" movement with no deep strike
>8" weapons lol
chadmarines please

>>54517690
Anon I respect the shit out of you
-Anon

>>54517690
>army doesn't have any wargear options taken
>still can't add up the list
For fuck's sake anon, get it together.

>>54517588
I don't remember the exact wording, but I guess you can? of course it's obviously not black templars at that point though.

>>54517736

>My wife's boyfriend

Yeah Eldar should be perfect for you

>>54517596
they'll add all the FAQ changes and buff emperor's children i guess
>>54517683
FUCK YES
now my girlyman conversion got even better

>>54517710
But there's no rule for taking "just black templar" to recieve the CT or bonuses for them right?
Everything hinges on keywords.

>>54517754
Don't you still need to keep an amount of power available for summoning. You could bring 20 power but only summon 5 power as that's the power limit? You couldn't bring 25 power of psykers and summon an additional 25 power.

>>54517718

Never claimed it was fluffy or it was not WAAC

If you read my very first suggestion it literally said:

>If you want to WAAC at maximum level give them the BT tactics

after OP asked what tactics to use.

but then everyone went full retard because 8" charge and reading the datasheet was apparently too hard.

>>54517727
>all of their weapons are -4 AP

WHAT

what the FUCK

>>54517727
I only just noticed that the heavy version kills the bearer before the shots resolve. That's kind of neat.

https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2017/07/games-workshop-sales-profit-skyrocket/

Good goys, buying these Primaris Marines

>>54517743
>BT being reasonable and diplomatic.
>BT not being full of zealous rage and hatred
>Not punching the eldar in it's god damn witch mouth.

I have an Assault Marine kit that I want to see get some use but when I asked about it I was told Assault Marines are still not that good. Then someone suggested I just use them as Vanguard vets with chainswords, and that seemed like a solid idea. If I did that I would just paint their helmets white, right (playing Ultras).

>>54517790
The only restriction for reserving summon cost was for points. Please let me know if it's for power as well before I go up against Magnus.

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>>54517736
I told you to play sisters! Don't forget to sit down when you pee in my house either.

>>54517807
Woo

>>54517759
>Repulsor drops them off.
>They flame a squad and charge another
>Start of your turn you fall back and flame because you're Ultramarines

>You use a CP to infiltrate them because you're Raven Guard.

>You Advance enough to flame and dare an enemy to eat your 12D6 overwatch (only to fall back and flame again because you're Ultramarines

>>54517764
What? I did add it up. I literally said I did. Though I did mistype and put 1495 instead of 1485. Don't bully me, bully.

>>54517761
T-thanks. Y-you too! It's a pipe dream anyway.

>>54517789
Im not sure what you mean, everything in a detachment has to have the same chapter keyword for it to receive chapter traits/stratagems/etc, you can have another detachment of whatever and if you like to be a heretics then you can add librarians to a black templar detachment by using the supreme high command detachment, of course those librarians would need to have another chapter tactic due to the fact that a Black Templar detachment (meaning a detachment using that keyword and therefore their tactics) cannot have librarians.

<Black Templar> and <Librarian> keywords cannot be in the same detachment.

>>54517807

The amount of rulebooks and indexes they sold probably brought them in a shit ton of money even without the new miniatures.

How does the weekly theme for Fate of Konor work? Do I have to show/buy a Start Collecting-box for week 1 or can I just use the same units as in those boxes for double points?

>>54517807
That's probably mostly got to do with 8th. I've heard a ton about people getting back into the hobby, just getting in now, or buying new armies.

>>54517690
>I need a good list maker
have you tried basic math

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>>54517807

>>54517671
>yo dawg we heard you like deepstrike and transports so we made your sorcerer a transport so you can transport whilst you transport
Can you summon khorne demons and summon from inside a rhino via its fire points
>>54517683
>what is forgeworld literally giving design rules in the black books
>>54517690
>not using a calculator, pen and paper
Plebs out
>>54517736
Tau would be better, for (You)
>>54517807
>implying it's not total war warhammer
>>54517821
Yep literally just what you put them in the list in and if it's clear enough

>>54517847
>everything in a detachment has to have the same chapter keyword for it to receive chapter traits/stratagems/etc
Im not saying you're wrong or trying to call you out, you are most likely right, but I'd like to se where it says that.

>>54517880
I'm sorry what did you mean in that last bit, I'm the guy with the Assault Marines.

>>54517862
My local GW announces on their Facebook when they get new players, and yep several updates in the last few weeks wonder if George Osborne still plays warhammer

>>54517789
That's actually the core concept, at least within a specific detachment.

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>>54517880
>fire points
Don't exist, but yes khorne daemons love to be summoned. They don't even mind if an unmarked sorcerer summons them.

>>54517843
>dark angels

>>54517894
If they say veterans on your army list and point them out when deploying then as long as your opponent isn't an ASININE MORTAL he'll be fine with it

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>>54517791
After 4 recent threads of people screeching about the difference between deepstriking 9'' and deepstriking MORE than 9'' away; I can see why people go full retard at first sight.

It has been grating.
But the abillity to add +1'' to charges was pretty neat and is actually an exception to the rule.

I just wish that the OP had explained himself instead of simply stating it matter-of-factly like all the other drones that want us to believe "all deepstrike charges are 8+ because deepstrike are 9'' away and so on and so forth."

OP was correct in the statement that you can easily get 8+ re-rollable charges with the character; but whether you can use BT chapter tactics or not is still being debated it seems.

>>54517825
It SHOULD be for power as well but I can't check right now. If it's not then daemon spam is back on the menu

>>54517868
Yes? But a list maker literally organises it so I can easily print it off as well. I've been doing this for 22 years, anon. No need to be a prick. I know it must be hard for you, but try, for me, ok hun?

>>54517880
It's easier to organise on a program as I can just print it out and people can read it easier and there is no 'accidental' over points, which is so fucking common it's not even funny. 'Oh oops it's 10 points over ecks dee'.

>>54517913
>Don't exist

>What are repressors?

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>>54517913
Khorne does not care where the blood flows, only that it flows
Better captcha

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>>54517940
>I know it must be hard for you, but try, for me, ok hun?

... I dont like what these threads are turning me into

>>54517947
A non-chaos unit???

>>54517921

You defensively CAN get rerollable charges

It's unfluffy and WAAC, but since when did that stop tourneyfags?

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>>54517913
>so NPC he doesn't have fire points

>>54517917
Ah, ok. I haven't run into any "That Guy"s in my area so hopefully it isn't much of a problem.

>>54517934
Can eldar farseers still summon greater daemons of slaanesh

>>54517883
Oh jesus Anon, don't go poking and asking for sources.
There is always that one retarded autist that goes
>"Waah, mommy read this for me, I'm to stupid to read it myself."

>>54517807
It helped that AoS is actually selling vastly better than WHFB did. Their models for AoS are great for conversions or proxies. Plus Battletomes, Big Books and novels and shit. On top of 40k, it's not a surprise.

>>54517956
/twg/ will give you mommy fetishes or Munging

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>>54517956
We all get like that, anon-kun! Huggies!

>>54517975
I don't have the SM codex

>>54517974
Nope, it's exclusive to 《CHAOS》 characters with the appropriate mark, or lack there of.

>Increasingly, Guilliman looked to the Primaris Space Marines as his best solution.
>He made no attempt to hide the fact that the days of the older Space Marines were numbered.

Even Dark Imperium confirms it.

>>54517934
Nope, the rule is only for matched play (points). Who the fuck uses power levels in anything serious? It's for throwing shit on the table with friends.

>>54518007
As it should be!

>>54517973
Anon, next time you post, do it like this.
Tha/tg/uy, gotta involve the board name somehow, /hm has mars/hm/allow, /pol has /pol/lack

>>54517807
That's probably mostly got to do with 8th brining a fuckton of people back and a bunch of new blood.
Also, nice to see that Kirby will be completely gone now.

>>54518007
But my OC craftworld contains the daemons but treads a terrible line all in the name of KHAINE

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Is it ever worth fielding the Heavy Conversion Beamer?

>>54518019
Doing an apocalypse style game soon. Power levels are easier to organize for it. Guess it shouldn't matter though, apocalypse sized games are fucked for balance anyway.

>>54517940
>>54517846
>bully
>prick
Someone's sensitive.

Anyway, the argument about no accidental over points with a list building program doesn't hold water. Those things are so riddled with errors that I really don't know why people trust them at all.

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What's better?
Scions or Veterans?

>>54518040
No.

>>54517749
>armed with heavy gatling cannon, twin heavy bolters, heavy stubber, anti-air stubber, two krak grenade launchers, two storm bolters, and smoke launchers

>can replace the stubber with heavy 6 gun, >can replace two storm bolters with two assault weapon
>can replace anti-air with assault weapon
>can replace smoke launchers with two assault weapons
>can get a second heavy stubber

This guy can move and shoot 29+5d6 shots in one turn, and not even suffer the movement penalty for heavy weapons. Or advance and still shot 2+5d6 shots.

It's a fucking shame you have to disembark before the transport moves. It would be so nice if you could disembark at the end of the movement phase instead.

>>54518038
Then you can bring it in narrative style games as allies.

>>54517807
Good, that means that their current practices of selling bundled boxes like the Start Collecting, HH boxes and Troop+Transport will probably stay for a while longer.

>>54518040

Absolutely, but only if you take it in pairs.

>>54518065
Why does this cost less than a LR?

>>54518077
Respect to the real nigga at the top called Rountree, he da descendant of this fellow nigga
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seebohm_Rowntree
He saved the working class of England

>>54518108
Karnac pls go

>>54518125
Is he legitimately?

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>>54517749
>>54518065
>It's not the Primaris Flyer
>It's not the Primaris Heavy
>It's the fucking TRANSPORT

>>54518152
Transport PLUS Tank, Anon. It does both. It's like a Battlewagon.

>>54518152
>inb4 the primaris heavy tank is just a floating bug gun with a fuckton of smaller guns on it

So, it seems like Tom Kirby will be repleaced by Nick Donaldson soon

What do you think, is that good or bad for us ?

>>54518190
FUND IT!

>>54518215
I don't have the moni to fund it anon

>>54518052
scions, they have better regular guns, they have grav chutes and their armor is better
also they are standards

>>54517588
Yes, you can. The Black Templars fought with the Crimson Fists in mixed units during the Declates Crusade. While librarians were not specified, the Crimson Fist do field librarians like a normal Codex chapter. So, it's not hard to fathom that they would grudgingly tolerate the librarians in other chapters.

>>54517998
What is "Munging"?

>>54518046
It was a joke, anon. Nobody uses the word 'bully' seriously.

>>54518214
Probably nothing, Rountree literally doubled their yearly profits in half a year, he will most likely keep whatever leeway the investors gave him.

What can I do to keep up as a chaos player in a local meta that has collectively agreed to play Power?

I see nothing but guns upon guns strapped to metal boxes while I'm running primarily daemons with some CSM support like zerks with rhinos, a squad of rubrics, and some loyalists for counts-as chaos lords/ havocs/basic marines

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>>54518214
Depends, where's Kirby going to?

>>54517604
does the combat knife imply that they just have 3 attacks each, or that in each round of fighting they gain an attack so they may just end up with like 20000000 attacks each eventually

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Alright /tg/, critique it as hard as you can.
2000 points of Imperium

Brigade Detachment +9cp
HQ:Commisar Lord with power sword and bolt pistol
HQ: Hereticus Inquisitor with force sword
HQ: Commisar

Troops: 5 x Imperial Guardsmen with flamer
Troops: 34 conscripts

Elites: Techpriest
Elites: Platoon Commander
Elites: Platoon Commander

Fast Attack: 3x Hellhound w/heavy flamer and inferno cannon

Heavy Support: 2x Heavy weapon teams w/2 autocannons 1 lascannon
Heavy Support: Leman Russ Demolisher


Battalion Detachment +3 CP

HQ: Company Commander
HQ: Company Commander

Elites: Platoon Commander

Troops: 3x Imperial Guardsmen w/ flamer


Super Heavy Auxilary Deatchment +0CP

LORD OF WAR: Shadowsword w flamer sponsons

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>TFW Alpha Legion still like the Emporer.

>TFW Alpha Legion don't seem very traitor-like.

>>54518283
>Power
Just spam summon until they agree to stop playing power.

>>54518284
That was never specified....
>>54518272
Rountree wil lstay CEO, but kirby was some kind of not chairman, but still important person

>>54518293
Kek that 8 would be upside down with the arm in a normal position

>>54518290

The former, they each have 3 attacks and the sergeant has 4.

>>54518306
They would just tell you to fuck off then.

Fucking WAAC asshole.

>>54518306

Are you talking about no-limit summoning? Because these guys apply the limit to Power games

>>54517574
Haven't run any math but I think Old one eye, two regular carnifexes and a stonecrusher would be on the ridiculous side. Assuming you play on a moderately terrain dense 4x4.

>>54517604
I still can't decide how I want to run these guys

They both seem like fair options

>>54518335
Lmfao they're the ones who agreed to play power
Power level is such a fucking joke.

>>54518335
>local meta abuses power
>start abusing power
>"fuck you anon, stop abusing power!"

>>54518290
I hate people with limited understanding of logic like you, please help the world, don't breed.


but to answer your question, it's just 3 attacks

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How is this for simple 25 PL game. I'm expecting cheese

Sailor Moon's Fan Club [25 PL] Outrider Detachment
+ HQ +
Celestine [14 PL]: Celestine, 2x Geminae Superia

+ Fast Attack +
Seraphim Squad [4 PL]
2x Seraphim
2x Double Inferno Pistols
1x Superior: Plasma pistol, Power sword

Seraphim Squad [4 PL]
2x Seraphim
2x Double Hand Flamers
1x Superior: Plasma pistol, Power sword

Attack Bike Squad [3 PL]
Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun

Or this other list:

Sailor Jupiter's Fan Club [25 PL] Vanguard Detachment

+ HQ +
Inquisitor Greyfax [5 PL]: 3 - Dominate

+ Troops +
2x Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL]
2x Hot-shot Lasgun
2x Plasma gun
Tempestor: Plasma pistol, Power maul

+ Elites +
Astropath [1 PL]: Gaze of the Emperor, Telepathica Stave
Astropath [1 PL]: Gaze of the Emperor, Telepathica Stave
Astropath [1 PL]: Psychic Barrier, Telepathica Stave
Astropath [1 PL]: Telepathica Stave, Terrifying Visions

+ Flyer +
Valkyrie [10 PL]
2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser, 2x Heavy bolter

>>54517574
Dont play PL because its bad?

>>54518338
Then spam pink horrors.

So what's everyone doing for the campaign?

Week 1: Start Collecting!
• Week 2: Elites
• Week 3: Vehicles
• Week 4: Psykers
• Week 5: Fast Attack and Flyers
• Week 6: Terrain and Lords of War

>>54518366
Don't play PL because its bad?

>>54518367
FoK event thingy, they are using PL

>>54518356

Chaos dude here, fucking agreed. I don't see how I stand a chance when every vehicle in Power can be armed to the teeth.

Daemon troops got fucking gutted with their wargear and options, especially in Power.

>>54518380
I'm see >>54518366

Mostly trying to dick over the people that brings knights to the first week.

>>54517749
certainly an impressive array, my only caveat is that i wouldn't like to have to run down the list everytime it fires. i prefer to not have more than 3 different weapons on a vehicle. also, it makes it needlessly complicated for opponents who need to study the profile to understand what the enemy is fielding.

so that's bad game design.

>>54518380
1 lord, 3 marines, 1 landraider
Plasma on those who can take it

Good luck with your 500 point games

>>54518052
Both are great, but I would say Scions are over all stronger and more useful. Scions are nice because their guns have -2AP, they can deepstrike, they have a 4+ save and they have access to a strong transport.

However, Veterans are also good. They have a ton of firepower. 3 Specials, 1 Heavy Flamer, 1 Heavy Weapon and Sergeant with Plasma Pistol. That's a shit load of firepower. I like to run them fully kitted out like that with a Commander and Psyker in a Chimera/Valkyrie. They hop out and do crazy spike damage.

Personally I use both. I either transport Veterans or keep them in cover with 3 Plasma and a Lascannon. Then I deep strike in 5-10 man Scion squads and usually a Tempestor Prime and a 4 Melta Command squad.

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>>54518296

> Alpha Legion are loyal

>Work sending me away for the next month
>Going to miss out on Konor

This really bums me out. I just barely missed Medusa V, and obviously there hasn't really been a global campaign in awhile. Is there any chance I can still contribute by buying the weekly themes, or am I just plain SOL?

>>54518380
You can really see the thematic thing here.
Week 1: Vanguards, First Strikes
Week 2: Key Targets
Week 3: Massed Assault
Week 4: Might from Beyond
Week 5: Reinforcements/Encirclement
Week 6: Last Stand

>>54518396
I play marines myself but slaanesh chariots and horrors are quite good.

>>54518425
Where are you going?

>>54518425
You can call your local GW and tell them that you won X games with Army Y, they`ll book it online

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One Chadmarine sashimi plate, coming right up.

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>Just finished painting my entire 2000 points of Red Hunters primaris (with a few non-chad vehicles)

>just realized that of all the marine chapters that would refuse the primaris, it would be the ones who worship the Emperor as god, are completely controlled by the Inquisition and would see primaris as an affront to the perfection that the Emperor himself made

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>tfw had a spare SoB head from my Immolator
>tfw didn't enter my GW's Primaris painting competition by attaching said head to the Marine and making a Primaris Sister

I feel only regret.

What's CSM/Chaos tier list?

>>54518380
Week one - DE start collecting with as many bikes I can fit into the points
Week two- blood brides (mandrakes if I can find them in time)
Week three- raiders everywhere
Week four- shadow seer
Week five- hellions out the wazoo
Week six- terrain of some sort or a wraith knight if I have the dosh and can bring myself to do it.

>>54518485
Like top or second top tier.

>>54518492
Meant to ask how various Chaos/CSM faction compare to each other.

>>54518482

You can easily get around that by assuming they see Guilliman as the son of their God and the Primaris Marines as a new weapon to wage war on His enemies.

>>54518483
Purge yourself.

>>54518436
Military Stuff.

>>54518439
That could work, though I have no idea how phone service will be. Any idea if they'll take submissions via email too?

>>54518504
Tzeench is king Magnus and rubrics galor.

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Asking her because I dont know where else to; if I wanted to do some 40k writing where would be the best place to post it? 1d4? Fanficdotnet?

>>54518515

If I were you, I'd save it to fanfic.net then post it here.

>>54517794
How does it feel to be cucked and squatted this hard manlet?

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>>54517807
Hmm so this says 'up to May 28'.

When did 8th edition Launch? When did they start selling that shit?

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So now that 8th edition has been officially released for a month now, what's the final decision on it? Good or shit?

>>54518530
Aight thanks, ill do that, still drafting and brainstorming plot anyway so its a ways off yet.

>>54518435

Just got some seekers of slaanesh, do you know if theyre as good as they look?

>>54518380
Any ideas to >>54517857 ?

>>54518564
THE GREATEST EDITION EVAR!!!!

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>>54518508

I was thinking of meeting it halfway with part of the chapter saying what you said and the other half being very suspicious of them, so the primaris operate separately but are closely watched by inquisitors for any signs of corruption.

>>54518564
's cool

>>54518564
Very good, codexes have the ability to make it the best edition yet or run it straight into the ground.

>>54518420
Merely s ruse
>>54518237
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4263796 it's very NSFW so I can't just post a description
>>54518380
Do you have to buy new stuff to play in the campaign

>>54518564
The first codex is only just now dropping, and we got a big FAQ the other day. The game is very much still in flux and still settling, so I don't think it's time for a "final decision".

Current opinion is that it's a huge step up from 7th.

>>54518380
Already have a lot of the models, but these are the benefits of a large backlog because Admech be fiddly. Recently got back into painting, wondering if I have to blow an extra £12.50 on the SC box in store or just get one online and bring it in.

Week 1: Skittles (Rangers with Arquebi, to be precise)

Week 2: Ruststalkers or Infiltrators, depending on whether I've painted my Rusties by then.

Week 3: Dunecrawler? Maybe I'll get another SC just so I can have two Neutrons, seems like a good idea in 8e.

Week 4: FUCK THE WITCHES

Week 5: My two Dragoons, useless as they are.

Week 6: Knight

>>54518564
Very good.

>>54518482
Here's a list of confirmed primaris chapters with red armor if you feel the impulse to repaint.

>Blood Ravens
>Exorcists
>Genesis Chapter
>Red Talons
>Fire Lords
>Blood Angels and Successors

So, for example, if you paint up a new Land Raider for Week 3 – you’ll get double the points. If you use that Land Raider in a game that you win that week, you’ll also receive double the points for the victory as well!

>>54518583
>Not! Chaledonian church splitting into orthodox and catholic
I like it anon

>>54518512
My store ( i am a gw employee ) would also accept emails, Facebook messages and postcards
>>54518564
its the best edition i ever played, but i only played 6e and 7e before

Anyone know if there are any custom models for Azrael that actually looks cool? The metal GW one reminds me of my ass

>>54518615
>Exprcists
>Also an inquisition chapter
Cmon anon

>>54518491
Or shit incubi if I can find those I really need them to restock my shit.

1k 2v2 tournament coming up and I was thinking about joining but I am new and using mostly DI stuff. I think I got everything covered, just waiting on the codex leaks to confirm point costs and if hellblasters went down I might be able to afford a gun for the ADL. Any glaring oversights? Any tips/recommendations regarding etiquette or sportsmanship for an autist like me?

Battalion
HQ:
Captain with auto-bolter
Captain with stalker-bolter
Lieutenant with stalker-bolter
Troops:
Scouts with sniper-rifles
Intercessors with bolt-rifles
Intercessors with stalker-bolters
Elites:
Reivers with combat blades, pistols and grav-chutes
Reivers with combat blades, pistols and grav-chutes
Heavy Support:
Hellblasters with assault incinerators

Fortification Network:
Aegis Defense Line

>>54518564
Bland, but optimistic.

>Codex SM adds good flavor back. However they've always had lots of choices. Would like to see how they do non Legion / Chapter bonuses (HIVE FLEETS, REGIMENTS, FORGE WORLDS, ETC.)

>Frequent FAQs are cool. Really cutting back RAW vs. RAI when they FAQ those super quick.

>>54518564
Better than 7th.

>>54518634
>GW shills here
Called it, we also had BBC interns in /twg/

>>54518634
Alright who's gonna win at your store m8??

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>>54518647

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>>54517749
>>54518152
...

>>54518689
Anyone got the photoshoped version of this, where they add tons of pointless guns?

>>54518695
That's not it? Huh...

>>54518695
kek

>>54518665
It is a legitimate contest, it legally has to be.

>>54518634
> i am a gw employee

WHATS IT LIKE TO SUCK CORPORATE COCK FOR A LIVING????!

>>54518706

>Mails in 5000 victories for Chaos

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>>54518701

>>54518747
Xenos actually.

>>54518706
What's the reward for Tau people if we win
>>54518744
Are any GW workers unionised, we could get better prices that way

>>54518753
Xenos just take away wins from Imperium or Chaos

>>54518755
Which side do you want to win?

>>54518689
>>54518752
Can't wait to see the nurgle mortar, really want a better mortar for my 30k IW

>>54518753
>So many Xeno victories that at the end of Konor the score is 0 to 0.

>>54517717
Mb bud, being filthy phoneposter scum.

>>54518753
So fuck-all happens?

>>54518663
im not a shill, i dont get paid for being here

Anyway, you do you really think that 6e and 7e are better than 8e ?

>>54518665
Dont know yet, its a real contest, not a fake contest. Its not unlikely that the higher ups change it to suit their tastes though

>>54518744
Well, i woukd less than 60 hours a year and i get this juice discount(50% on GW products, ~20% on FW stuff ) + a key to the store, free paints and i can store all my miniatures there

>>54518689
Seriously, what were they thinking. The repulsor is totally repulsive and not even remotely as badass as the land raider. LR is a timeless masterpiece. Just like the classic Dreadnought. All they had to do was rescale standard marines like they did for thousand sons and partly for DW. Change the armor mark, ok. But not shit like the inceptors.GW. PLS.

>>54518788
Maybe. I'm just taking away wins from who's winning right then.

>>54518779
Tau
FOR THE GREATER GOOD

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>>54518695
well, I forgot to shop some ccw on it...

>>54518782
>mortar
Its a replacement for the Vindicator, so it will probably be 24" range.

Plus its sponsons look like plaguespitters and they're close range too.

Also the front of it looks quite killy so probably decent in melee.

>>54518755
Tau supporting the imperium? Well, bobby G is more open to helpful xenos so maybe better trade and peace treaties?

>>54518647

Ordo Malleus though, they're a lot more open to new ideas believe it or not.

>>54518816
Or Tau taking the opportunity to weaken the Imperium presence to make their next sphere expansion easier
>thus helping Chaos

>>54518789
I played one game of 6th, which is more than my 8tg and 7th record combined but hoping to change that next week

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>>54517513
>>54517534
>mfw people are using my shitty purple plaguebearers in op
Seriously guys. I didn't even get all the mould lines.

>>54518837
Dont piss me off boy, with a flick of my sword your whole empire would burn

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We ride for Konor!!! Pillage the imperial scum and aid in their internal squabbling with their fallen brethren! When the dust has settled Konor will be a bed of festering sickly humans and the imperials will keep sending men to reclaim the sector. We waylay these parties for centuries to come!

>>54518789
But you have to give store demos

>>54517699
>>54517679
>>54517727
I hate the new datasheet layout.

I just have been looking at them so much lately and it's such a mess, the removal of individual upgrade points from the main stat block is a fucking travesty.

>>54518752
not enough dakka

>>54518850
its a very nice purple anon, be proud

>>54518850
I got tons of likes on normiebook and reddit with it too.

Using the same joke.

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>>54518854
Lord Commissar? Is that you?

>>54518861

Eat shit, I love the return to consolidated upgrade lists in the front of the unit section like 4th ed.

>>54518861
dude, play more and you will know the costs from the top of your head

>>54518800
You know, as a Cron player I still think just focusing on two or three clear cut sides is better narratively, so I'm still hoping we'll see Xenos v Xenos campaigns in the future.

>>54518861
They already stated it's so that they can release rebalanced points sheets.

>>54518872

Our commissar tried to do that in an Only war game

The trygon in front of us decided that nomming on the commissar was easier than scratching the paint of our leman russ.

>>54518859
Only when i work, and most of the time i dont work, which means that i can do my own shit.

I have to do like 3 or 4 store demos every year, the real manager has to do all the others

>>54518861
Boo Hoo

>>54518867
>>54518871
It's literally just twociats of violet wash on white primer. Going to finish the unit today along with a unit of nurglings and a herald hopefully.

>>54518874
you suurely meant the return of separate point costs for units and gear like in 1st ed.?

>>54518779
Imperium, but not ultramarines

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>>54518753
>>54518800
The alien mindset.

>>54518898
Two coats*

>>54518874
>>54518879
>>54518895
>>54518888

It's just annoying during list building but I love it during actual gameplay as it removes a lot of unnecessary information and consolidates the important gameplay-relevant stats.

There seems to be a lot of senseless defending of it because "just like muh old days" though.

>>54518854
What are you going to do? Send a crusade at me? That worked WONDERS last time.

>>54518564

Beyond the initial hype it's an incredibly bland and dull game with little strategic depth. Most of the units are within and across armies are fairly homogeneous, gameplay devolves into rolling dice at eachother until one side with better luck/rules dies. Tactical positioning is meaningless, yes that's right, one of the most simple and effective military tactics from the ancient to modern era in the form of flanking your opponent is meaningless in a wargame. Likewise cover, a crucial part of any ranged firefight, is equally meaningless since if one man in my squad of 20 has his feet outside the building we all may as well be standing in the open.

Multiple things are unintuitive such as flamers being amazing anti-air, units that are smaller actually being less likely to be affected by morale and tanks merely being tougher infantry than their own distinct unit in their own right. Also you may as well be moving around plastic counters than miniatures.

This results in a game where you basically just move your units towards your opponents and roll dice until someone wins.

I've yet to hear anybody defend it or say why it's good beyond 'its better than 7th which is a red herring if I ever heard one and I challenge anyone to do so.

>>54518913
Boho

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>>54518809
>asking for a breech explosion
Probably doesn't even know the difference between a gun and a rifle
>>54518815
>mortar
>being surprised it's short range
THIS POSTS PLEASES SLAANESH

>>54518925
Nice book, but you think anyone will read it?

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>>54518909
ALL I NEED TO TAKE THE KEEP IS TWO GOOD THIN COATS.

>>54518928
I'm not asking them to change it back or anything, I just don't like it and there's not really a way around this unfortunately. There's just a lot of information that's needed for the game.

I certainly wouldn't like it with 2 statblocks for each unit, one for list building and one for gaming, as it would create book padding. I'm just expressing I don't like the layout.

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>>54518925
This pasta is fresh and delicious where did you purchase it?

>>54518894
How much do you actually have left to buy shit once you've paid bills with your terrible wage

>>54517556
>aux grenade launcher
FEELS SO FUCKING GOOD

>>54518966
Personally I wish they would just fund or develop a virtual list builder that keeps up to date with the points and FAQ.

also boohoo

>>54518913

Its way fucking better than having different points costs on every single unit entry

>>54518913
the real problem is the eliminations of USRs. think about it:
>hey, look we centralized all the point costs in giant lists, so that updating it becomes easier
>oh and hey, we removed the central list of common special rules so that... we can't update common special rules anymore without a giant hassle
retarded. centralization is good. they only did that so that they could point out how "short" their rules are.

>>54517683
Bring back Fulgrim

>>54518980
Part time bitch and sometimes not even that when I'm on call at the hospital. Not everyone is a low class wage slave like yourself.

>>54518999
Tzeench what plans to you have for Fulgrim??

>>54517806
only because it doesn't have multiple shots

>>54518925
So like every edition, because cover saves or armour saves could be taken

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>>54518901
You betta zoggin' believe it, Anon.

>>54518989

I used to have Armies of the Imperium for PC. That was official and useful as fuck, I don't get why they don't make a new version of it, even if you have to pay for a codex to get updates added to the software.

>>54519032
It's probably because they have noone who will program it and don't want to hire someone, like that picturebook armylist guy, to program it.

>>54518989
>warscroll builder already exists
>>54519000
>med student and GW
How good are you at super gluing wounds together
Do you paint pallid Wchy flesh over it so they feel better
Sorry I just thought you were s zero hours pleb

>>54518901
See fellow Xenos? This is what the imperium thinks of us! Don't add to this mindset take Konor from these cocky humans.

>>54519065
Atheist orkist sept
Could work

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>>54519065
>fellow xenos

>>54519065
>t. Arms of the spineless one

>>54519065
>t. someone who won't get a Codex for a year

Gotta wait until all PC chapter and legions get their first. :^)

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>>54518901

>Compelling
>Mankind

Nice half-assed escapism you got there.

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>>54519065
I wonder who could be behind this post.

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Can Pask give his own tank Orders?

>>54519101
>t. Furfag

>>54518925
This triggers the Red-shirt.

>>54518901
>mankind
>not a single human in that image
Are you drunk?

>>54518564
Things I like
>It's deadlier than before, games go by faster
>I don't have to fiddle all the much out of fear of template weapons
>Characters are tougher and having a better presence on the table
>Unit reworks for most factions are for the better
>No more riptides or thunderfire cannons
>They helped mitigate Flyer spam
>Assaulting from deep strike and infiltration is now fairly available for everyone

Things I don't like
>A lot of characters are auto-includes: Guilleman, Cawl, Celestine, looking at you
>Boring spam of optimized units like Stormravens, Conscripts, Genestealers. Less "all-comers" lists
>The abuse of the rules about not being able to target characters unless they're the closest model. Instead of playing like you've got a pair up front with your newfound extra wounds, it encourages likely unintended abuse with things like Brimstone horrors or eight assassins and miscellaneous characters behind 4 Culexus Assassins and some conscripts.
>Even though everything can nominally wound anything it doesn't feel like the case against high toughness vehicles as hordes.
>In a tournament setting, games skew really fast. Half the time it's one side tabling the other.
>The way points are on opposite ends of the book from datasheets which makes list building annoying.

Quick story for you all that I hope you enjoy
>Helping parents move out of house I grew up in
>Discover old 40K stuff from childhood.
>Find two boxes, one Emp's Children, One Dark Angels Tactical Squad
>Emp's box filled with fun bits, and odd models I would kitbash from tons of kits for my own fun, lots of memories relived of playing with friends.
>But what's this? the DA box has unused sprues!
>It's Chaos Space Marine sprues.
>It's all Chaos Space Marine sprues
When will they be brought to task for their crimes /tg/?

>>54519121
not anymore

>>54519103
>closet loyalists
Dunno

>>54519131
>play SoB
>Celestine is auto include
>because AoF need a lot of handholding to work
>random nerf to keyword interaction

>>54519085 #
>GKs getting one of the first codecies
>PC Factions getting their Codex first

Pick one

Because GKs are the NPCs of the Imperium. Their purpose is to die to Daemons to show how dangerous the threat is, before a PC puts down the threat

>>54519143
Was that DA box Dark Vengeance or something? Are you underage?

How are Vanguard Veterans in 8E? Seems pretty killy on paper..
Wanna field them with dual plasma pistols but 160 pts for five T5 wounds feels kinda suicidal

>>54517736
Eldar sound about right.

>>54519167
They are marines, NPC-kun, so they are by definition infinitely times more PC than your filthy xenos.

Now enjoy getting run over by Codex-having PCs for years to come.

>>54518925
>Beyond the initial hype it's an incredibly bland and dull game with little strategic depth.
Except it's deeper than most any previous edition. Rather than relying upon itterly random results to determine how many things work out (such as warlord traits, powers, deep striking, etc.) the game has handed over a ton of control to the player, meaning victory is more dependent upon skill. Add to that the additon of things like stratagems, which both reward the player for better list building in a way that wasn't just 7th's "take these models in these formations and win" while also adding a factor of resource management, buff bubbles which eliminate cancerous deathstar builds and now force the player to actually consider placement to ensure certain benefitsand things like combat based armies, deep striking armies and vehicle armies becoming much more viable, and it becomes clear 8th offers far more depth and has far more viable strategies and tactics than most editions.
>Most of the units are within and across armies are fairly homogeneous, gameplay devolves into rolling dice at eachother until one side with better luck/rules dies.
How so? What do you exactly mean by this? What units in paticular are too "homogenous"?
>Tactical positioning is meaningless, yes that's right, one of the most simple and effective military tactics from the ancient to modern era in the form of flanking your opponent is meaningless in a wargame.
Not even close to true.
(1/?)

>>54519143
So just the sprues and nothing else
Gee Cypher sure is fast

>>54519145
He got FAQ'd?

>>54518689
Oh come the fuck on. Is that shit for real??

>>54517570
Ravages are better, but that's about it.

>>54519217
yes

>>54519219
Yeah It's a transport.
It is supposed to have a guy riding it!

>>54519210
>buffbubbles aren't just nu death stars
Although I do like how I can now get my commanders to more easily relay between squads

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>>54519219
No, Anon.

>>54518002
Sucks to be you.
Also don't be a faggot BT hate psykers and we all kow it.

What's the most fun faction to build and play?
I have been playing CSM and got pretty bored to be frank. I'm looking for something new. I'm thinking of going loyalist.

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How does this this look for a 700 point list? Its the first list I'm making, so advice is appreciated. The only reason the warriors have a blast pistol is to fill points.

-Venom 65
>2 splinter cannons 30

-Raider 95
>dark lance 20
>shock prow 1

-3 Reavers 90
>agoniser 4
>heat lance 25
>grav talon 5

-5 Scourges 70
>4 dark lances 80
>blast pistol 10
>agoniser 4

-10 Kabalite warriors 70
>agoniser 4
>phantasm grenade launcher 3
>blast pistol 10
>splinter cannon 15
>blaster 15

-Archon 54
>phantasm grenade launcher 3
>huskblade 10
>blaster 15

TOTAL: 698

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>>54519219
No it's this but feel free to make your own meme

>>54519177
Just do it because rule of cool. Give them jump packs and have them deep strike next to something to deliver hot plasma death and look badass whilst doing it. They can even fall back out of combat and fire their plasma pistols the same turn with jump packs !

>>54518564
Boring, and with the same meta issues 7th had.
No blasts, no facings.
Now it's a board game instead of a war game.

>>54519263
Tau as your tidewall can move

>>54519274
No need to fall back tho, they can shoot pistols in melee

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>>54519125

Remember when this happened on Armageddo- oh wait

remember when this happened on Fenris and the wolves got to kill Magn- no wait GKs did it again

remember when Guilliman got to get the kill in gathering stor- nope wait GKs got it again

GKs are more PC than marines when they show up

>>54519244
if fire arcs were still in this thing would be even more of a pain to play

>>54519177
I'm currently debating having a squad of Company Vets with flamers and storm shields just because I want to use some MK3 Breachers, and gives me an anti-horde kick.

>>54518925
>>54519210
Besides the previous editions stuff like "keeping things out of charge range" postioning also matters for things like buff bubbles, screen units, characters not getting shot at and so on. Where as in previous editions we had "group guys far apart so templates and blasts aren't that effective!"
>Likewise cover, a crucial part of any ranged firefight, is equally meaningless since if one man in my squad of 20 has his feet outside the building we all may as well be standing in the open.
Play with more terrain faggot, on a properly covered board cover most certainly matters.
>Multiple things are unintuitive such as flamers being amazing anti-air
Not even close to true. Even against a T9, 2+ flyer that imposes a -3 to hit penalty a lascannon and other dedicated anti-vehicle or AA out preforms a flamer.
>units that are smaller actually being less likely to be affected by morale
That's only because bigger units are more likely to lose more guys, and thus more likely to run because seeing 20 of your mates die right before you would be more likely to get you running than seeing just 1 battle brother die.
>and tanks merely being tougher infantry than their own distinct unit in their own right.
While this is a legitimate point, at least this system works, unlike the previous one.
>Also you may as well be moving around plastic counters than miniatures
How is that not true of every edition?

>>54519244
That thing looks so bad... It's literally repulsive

>>54519283
I could do without Blasts. Just slowed the game down. I miss Facing. I just wish they gave Monsters facing instead of removing vehicle Facing.

>Hell, give all models facing. Shooting / charging Flanks / Rears give a bonus.

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>>54519312

>anti-horde
>3++ save
>dies to massed S4 AP0

>>54519238
There not even close to deathstars. They project buffs onto other units, rather than relying on on other units to buff them. They're basically the exact opposite

>>54519285
Wait, what?

>>54519330
I never said it was a good idea, I just want an excuse to use Breachers. They'd be all plasma but I can't afford it.

>>54519294
>The wolves got to kill Magn- no wait GKs did it again
Magnus got banished by the Space Wolves Khorne Daemon Axe that was 100% Purified by the Fenrisan Gods so it doesn't cause Daemonic Corruption, but still has all of Khorne's power.

>>54519312
I put down Deathwing knights, and let the flail wipe out like 8-9 models, works pretty good