Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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>>54504007
new thread captured for kayossss

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First fer Orkz!

So what are you all working on? Play any games recently? If so, how did they go? Plan kn llaying any soon?

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>>54503749
Posted in the last thread. Any Guard players mind checking out my list?

>>54503983
They were one of the best units in the chaos codex but that's not saying a lot, besides in Reivers are anything to go by an extra wound if worth 3 points at most.
Makes sense too with how many weapons there are with more than 1 damage.

>7

WITNESSED

Anyways. Cute Nurgle cultists. How do?

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>>54504007

There's nothing wrong with female Marines

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>>54504032
>>54504035

>>54504056
Fuck off, don't start stirring up shit

>>54504044
>That silly Gaunt art

When is the next book coming out? Its been a long time since Salvation's Reach.

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Daily reminder that WAAC tourney fags have no place in "New GW" and should be denied games regardless of circumstance

SC: Dark Eldar and Skysplinter good starting points to begin an edgy elves army?

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>>54504056

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anyone living in or around the Philadelphia area? I'm moving there this weekend and don't know my wargaming options.

>>54504041
What does the heavy weapon matter? In 5 Plague Marines I can take either two special weapons and a combi-weapon OR two Blight Launchers, which are better than most of the Heavy weapons CSM have access to. Meanwhile CSM get 1 potential Combi-Weapon, 1 Special/Heavy with a second Special/Heavy at 10 points. The CSM have a bigger footprint, worse firepower and thanks to the bigger unit size are actually more expensive. Their Grenades and melee attacks also don't reroll 1s To Wound. T5, 5+ FnP is also massively survivable. While a CSM takes 9 Bolter shots to take down, the Plague Marine requires 20.25.

i'm about to convert one of the figures from the deathguard into typhus (i have one but i got a 2nd chinacast one to make a bigger typhus.)

i'm thinking of taking the lord and either:

a: clipping his wrists off so the scythe is on his right and he's bringing it upwards in a forward swing

or

B: clipping the hands off the weapon and having it so the scythe is on the left side.

>>54504061
Jesus Christ that was terrible.

>>54504146
There's a GW in the north east. Not so many game shops in the city but a fair number in the burbs.

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>Primaris Chaplain
>Primaris Apothecary

>seriously its not a replacement for manlet-marines

people believed this seriously?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/faith-fury-and-firepower-space-marines-preview-july23gw-homepage-post-1/

>>54504146
That is some rad fucking smoke, mate.

>>54504007

> Model A: Units within 12" of this model have -1Ld
> Unit B (Enemy): Units within 12" of this model can use their Leadership in place of their own

I have a rules question.
Let's say I have a Hemlock Wraithfighter, and my opponent is IG. They have a Commissar-Conscript horde within 12".
What is the Leadership of the Conscripts?

> 7
The Commissar grants them his Ld8, which is then reduced to 7.

> 6
The Commissar is reduced to Ld7. He grants this to the Conscripts, who are then reduced to Ld6.

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About to crack open some dusty boys

Now i dont know much about 40k and its rules i come from sigmarwas my first wargame

And i´d like to ask someone who has more knowledge about the rules and this unit on what weapon option i should give them. Warpflamers or Inferno boltguns? Also should i go for the special weapon

>>54504179
They're not a replacement. Not until they're stopped being produced.

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>>54504222

>>54504179
Of all the Primaris models so far, this guy is probably my favorite. He strikes that perfect balance between "noble healer clad in immaculate white armour" and "brutal, practical field surgeon who mercy-kills with one pistol, then shoots your head and neck off with the other to get your geneseed".
It also helps that the old Apothecary and indeed the entire Command Squad box, is fucking ancient.

>>54504153
I get that plague marines are better vs Bolters but quite frankly i face a lot of shit that isn't bolters since not every player in the world plays marines. Plague Marines are barely better against S3 shooting and a 10 man squad of CSM with two heavy weapons has always seemed the far better choice to me than equivalent points in plague marines due to the extra bolter shots. Yeah they work well as small plasma carriers i suppose but at that point i would probably run fallen as cheaper dudes who can take five combi-plasma and reroll 1s on their own.

>>54504222
Boltguns. Far more versatile. And yes, the soulreaper cannon is absolutely worth it.

>>54504179
I wished they would just have called them what they are

Truescale marines

and made no rules or fluff bullshit around them

>>54504217
I'd say if the Commisar is within the Hemlock's AoE, it's 7, otherwise it's 8. If it only affects the 'scripts, then they still get their own, now even shittier, Ld overwritten by the unaffected Commisar.

>>54504007

Should I get into Tau?

So in the new codex, the land raider Excelsior isn't present? Can I still use the rules from the indexes?What about the HQ's on bikes - are those models dead now?

>>54504257
I mean if they just released them and basically said "They're replacing your shit." The space marine players would all throw an even bigger bitch fit anyways.

>>54504103
I for one welcome this new age that prevents new bullshit to rise, now if only scattbikes were gone for good, this game would truly begin to heal.

>>54504252
>Plague Marines are barely better against S3 shooting
33% is a bit more than "barely better"
>10 man squad of CSM with two heavy weapons
is illegal. You get either 1 special, 1 heavy or 2 special.
Also don't forget the Blight Launcher, which is better than all the other special weapons.

>>54504217
I would say that the Conscripts have Ld 8, unless the Commissar is in range of the effect, then it's 7.

>>54504108
Please help an upcoming Archon out, lads.

>>54504289
from what i gathered most of the sperging is coming from the fluff

Biggest aggravatior is the part about cawl making them in 1000 years or so in his basement.

>>54504179
Holy shit he's holding a geneseed.

>>54504179
>seriously its not a replacement for manlet-marines
Has GW ever said that?

It seems obvious to me that what's happening to Space marines right now is exactly what GW did to most of the fantasy armies.

Dwarves for example.
WFB Dwarves are still valid in game, they have rules as "the dispossessed" . But all the new dwarven models being produced are for the 2 new "dwarf" factions, steampunk dwarves, and angry naked dwarves.

Dwarves as they were before are now a legacy army, support for them is being discontinued and they are slowly being phased out with the 2 new dwarf factions taking their place.

The same thing is happening to marines right now.
I would be surprised if manlet marines get any new models. Instead, primaris will continue to be expanded, and manlets will take a back seat.

>>54504310
Now if only they would do their fucking job and nerf necrons.

>>54504282
Sure why not

>>54504288
Everything that wasn't overwritten can still be used. Aka you're supposed to use the new Datasheet for Intercessors, Reivers etc but stuff that didn't get an updated datasheet is still valid from the Index. The Primaris Rhino and Excelsior Land Raider, the Imperial Space Marine and the Bike HQs are still valid, just don't expect them to get updated in the near future.

>>54504360
They have indeed said they aren't a replacement.

Im watching this atm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DqjcNd9mOY

Says he cant show points sheet because of NDA but talks about changes:
Khan has lost moondraken (lol)
Dreadnoughts have lost twin heavy flamer, twin heavy bolter and lost twin autocanon (although possibly just because they're forgeworld index rules instead of being in the codex, see later) (rip rifleman dreds)
Sergeants cant take combi-grav
Honour Guard can only take power axes (no relic blades/thunderhammers)
Chief Librarian Tigurius can throw out his Master of Prescience to a nearby 6" unit.
Datasheets not in the codex: Land Raider Excelsior, Tyrannic War Veterans, Terminus Ultra, Imperial Marine, Librarian on a bike, Techmarine on a bike, Chaplain on a bike, Apothecary on a bike, Chapter Ancient on a bike, Company Champion on a bike, Company Veterans on bikes.

POINTS CHANGES
Non primaris Lieutenant = 60pts total, primaris version 70pts total
Big bobby G same points cost, stormravens also
Hunter tank is -30pts, Marneus Calgar -50 pts, Ironclad dred -40pts, Chaplain Cassius -40pts. Emperors Champion -33pts, Sergeant Chronus -23pts, Captain in Terminator armour -17pts, Sergeant Telion +(plus)14pts, Librarian -2 pts, Chapter Champion -5pts, Sternguard -1pt (special-issue boltgun got reduced by 1point) Bikes -6pts, Attack bike -10pts, Inceptors -15pts, Land Speeder -10pts, Drop pods -10pts, Land Speeder Storm -10pts
Primaris Hellblasts 2 points more expensive but their guns are 2 cheaper so the same

Page 215
– Sudden Death
Change point 2 to read:
‘If at the end of any turn after the first battle round, one player has no models on the battlefield, the game ends immediately and their opponent automatically wins a crushing victory. When determining if a player has any units on the battlefield, do not include any units with the Flyer Battlefield Role – these units cannot operate within a combat airspace indefinitely and they cannot hold territory without ground support. Furthermore, do not include any units with the Fortification Battlefield Role unless they have a unit embarked inside – even the most formidable bastion requires a garrison if it is to
pose a threat.’


I get they wanted to end lists that were just all stormravens, but doesn't this also kill all air-cav? Unless you drop your passengers out turn one it's an auto-lose.

>>54504160
And get this: those faggots expect people to pay 5 bucks a month to watch their content. THIS sort of content.

>>54504331
33% for more than 50% extra points. Yeah i guess you get a plasma plus a lascannon or heavy bolter or something but you also get several more bolter shots, if the entire squad was packing blight launchers or something that would be awesome but they aren't.

>>54504044
Looks fine to me.

>>54503672
There's a tiny piece that goes into the main torso part underneath the plate with the Aquila on it. Then you attach the Aquila plate over that.


https://youtu be/1fn1luN3d_4?t=16m20s
This video shows that piece, shortly after 16:20

How to start AdMech? Will be probably starting as Kill Team / HoR and then building it from here

>>54504361
Necrons are like the fifth best army. Don't blame GW's rules for your vast ineptitude.

>>54504378
>Khan has lost moondraken (lol)
This has to be fake news.

>>54504038
Working on scouts and I hate it

>>54504401
Start Collecting box + Kastellans seems the way to go.

>>54504217
Is the commissar within 12"? No? Then their leadership isn't reduced at all.

Is the commissar in 12"? Yes? Then the conscripts get 7 leadership.

They're USING the commissar's leadership, they don't take it and then stack the same effect.

>>54504411
Its just that the datasheet isnt in there. Is his model still available, if not thatd explain it. Seems like they're removing rules for models they dont make any more but i dont know shit about white scars. See rifleman dreds.

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I'm fleshing out the lore of my chapter and I have a question: are Space Marine fleets comprised entirely of Adeptus Astartes vessels (ie. Battle Barge, etc) or can ships of the Imperial Navy be present too? Like can the flagship of a chapter be an Emperor-class ship? Or can they only be boring battlebarges?

>>54504398
Any recommendations on what I could improve, though? Like, will it be able to hold up to armies of equivalent points?

I've played 4 games of 8th and every single one resulted in me being tabled. I'm sick of it.

>>54504401
>>54504416

This. Or Start Collecting + Kataphron Destroyers for another troop slot and some more firepower. Really just Start Collecting or 2, and then whatever models you like from there.

>>54504399
You fucked upo the link numnuts

>>54504385
pretty sure passengers in transports would count as "on the battlefield" for those purposes.
they count for the units in reserve limit

>>54504331
>10 man squad of CSM with two heavy weapons
>is illegal.

>n-nani?

"One Chaos Space Marine may replace his bolt pistol with a plasma pistol, or replace his boltgun with one item
from the Special Weapons or Heavy Weapons lists.
If the unit numbers ten or more models, an additional Chaos Space Marine may take one item from the Special
Weapons or Heavy Weapons lists."

I saw some people saying that the salamanders have the strongest chapter bonus now, what is it?

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>mfw starting a SM army, not including a single Chad unit.

>>54504473
re-roll 1 failed hit in both melee and range per turn, per unit.

>>54504475
Good for you anon

OG-Marines have a charme to them they couldnt really replicate with primaris in my opinion

>>54504475
Your point?

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>>54504035
this boss gets it

...as long as yer talkin DEFFSKULLZ

>>54504473
An additional D6 hits for all flame weapons, and an additional D3 damage for all melta weapons.

Sounds pretty good, don't know if I agree that it's the best but I'm also not the type to build WAAC lists either so maybe there's some great synergy I'm not seeing.

>>54504390
But you can take 5 Plague Marines with 2 Blight Launchers. 133 points, take a decent amount of firepower to shit and will continue to shoot 4 S6 AP-2 D:D3 shots every turn like clockwork until your opponent deals with them. Keep two or three such squads aroung a cheap Chaos Lord and you have a relatively effective bastion of firepower.

Bolters are never good. The only way S4 AP0 D1 shots are ever good is when they come in massive quantities and preferably as auto-hits. For reference, see Taurox Primes, Flamer Crisis Suits and Aggressors.

>>54504435
some battle barges are actually refitted navy ships.

pretty sure the space wolves have one thats an Emperor class hull.

Navy escorts are also common.

Put a (.) between (youtu) and (be)

>>54504458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fn1luN3d_4&feature=youtu.be&t=16m20s

>>54504435
>I'm fleshing out the lore of my chapter and I have a question: are Space Marine fleets comprised entirely of Adeptus Astartes vessels (ie. Battle Barge, etc) or can ships of the Imperial Navy be present too? Like can the flagship of a chapter be an Emperor-class ship? Or can they only be boring battlebarges?
If Space Marines somehow got a hold of an Imperial Navy vessel, they probably would be able to hold onto it. The Navy certainly couldn't take it away.

>>54504044
It should work/10

>>54504473
All flamer weapons always roll a 6 for number of shots and all melta weapons always roll a 6 for damage.

>>54504463
No, embarked units are not on the battlefield.

Yes you need to drop at least some of your passengers turn 1. Just put them out of LoS and/or on backfield objectives. Alternatively take a cheap bunker and stick some troop tax guys inside.

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>>54504473
Superior geneseed.

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>>54504505
Ty :3

>>54504520
>Genetically weaker
But generally better.

>>54504044
That's a big door.

What chapter rules do I pick if I'm doing my own guys chapter, Do I have to pick Salamanders if there green coloured or am I allowed to pick any?.

>>54504498
>>54504516
Is giving out false info the new meme?

>>54504520
Weaker but smarter

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I'm a bit scared of how the Primaris meme will affect the Blood Angels once they get their new Codex.

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>>54504497
You thievin' gits, I iz talkin' about da best clan. Da flashiest, da one wiv da most dakka, da most teef and da best buncha ladz eva, DA BAD MOONZ!

>>54504412
There is enough space in the universe for all of it. Depends on how close the chapters are to the Imperium.

>>54504534
Or is it jeanetically better :^)

>>54504472
Fucking hell. They broke a tradition of at least five fucking editions. You can actually take 2 Heavies. Okay, I'm sorry I'm blind.

>>54504520
That's not how genetics work.

>>54504378
Ignore clickbait videos
Don't share clickbait
Don't visit clickbait
Enable three layers of adblock

>>54504435
In Battlefleet Gothic, you could take Imperial escorts in your fleet. As other anons have pointed out, a lot of battle barges are refitted IN ships, so I don't see an issue with it.

>>54504577
?

>>54504538
You can pick any as long as your colour scheme isn't the exact copy of a known chapter.

>>54504257
>>54504289
>>54504343
>new Mark of Power Armour
>hey, uh isn't this "proportional/truescale"
>oh yeah, just mix and match it or field these new units Guilliman thought up to take advantage of their powersets. Compatible with all old marines.

>>54504343
10000

>>54504570
Yes it is, the average blackman, whos has trained as long/hard as the average white man will be stronger

Help a sort of poor fag... I have started a Krieg army and I can't quite justify the £70 for one basilisk shite. Anyone know of any historic WW1/2 miniatures that could work?

>>54504475
>I'm starting an army only of aging models that will never be updated again, thereby cutting my options down drastically
Good for you, anon. Be sure to grow the beard long and scraggly, so everyone knows it's a hipster beard and not just a neckbeard.

>>54504435
First nice bait to get people attention

Second, yes they can I believe first founding chapters still have those on their fleet, some second founding too, it becomes more rare in the later but it's not unlikely, back in the battlefleet Gothic you could use many of the ships of the imperial Navy as part of your space marines fleet

>>54504577
Youre a fucking retard, Winters giving us a solid no-bullshit review is the furthest thing from clickbait.

>>54504411
No model, no rules.

>>54504596
>Poor
>Starting Kriegers

Bad choice, lad.

>>54504378
>Datasheets not in the codex: Land Raider Excelsior, Tyrannic War Veterans, Terminus Ultra, Imperial Marine, Librarian on a bike, Techmarine on a bike, Chaplain on a bike, Apothecary on a bike, Chapter Ancient on a bike, Company Champion on a bike, Company Veterans on bikes.

For what purpose. Why bother putting in White Scars and remove their choices?

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>>54504385

>>54504538
Choose whichever tactic seems most fitting for your chapter. They did a whole article on this.

Does anyone know of any good bitz resellers or custom bitz guys with Terminator Crux shoulder pads?

>>54504463
>pretty sure passengers in transports would count as "on the battlefield" for those purposes.

no they don't.

any model onboard a vehicle is considered not to be on the battlefield.

>>54504475
Nice, I might get some for my SW but normal marines are good to get the job done and with the HH boxes they get more variety of armour.

>>54504588
That's actually worse.

There is nothing wrong with Primaris.

>>54504378
he is definitely retard or blind. We could see in the other video that hellblasters are actually 18 points, 2 points less expensive than in the index. I'm going to guess that the weapon is more expensive.

>>54504475
What chapter?
>>54504597
>tfw have multiple Space Marine chapter armies
>tfw haven't bought, nor fielded Primaris Marines)

I may replace my tacs with truescales at some point, but they'll still be tacs.

>>54504343
10,000 years. With the Emperor's research, notes and research from every single Forge World in the galaxy. With an entire Forge World dedicated to his endeavour. With all the best minds working for him.

Gee, how did he do it?

>>54504222
>>54504242
anyone else having a opinion on this?

maybe a educated guess?

>>54504545
>new primaris "Mortis" Company
>extra attack and wound over death company
>gain access to the gravis jetpack things inceptors have, giving them M12 and T5
>as well as the powerfist/bolter that the gravis captain has
>armed with some new anti-infantry weapon by default
>Let's call them mauler blades, +1 WS, +1 A, AP -1

>"Mortis Rage" rules - Anytime a mortis model is killed in close combat it may immediately make its close combat attacks even if it has attacked already this turn.

Totally not a replacement for death company :^)

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>>54504435

>>54504657
On what?

>>54504310
I mean scatterbikes as an army is effectively dead. I lost it's insane movement, now takes -1 to hit if it moves and shoots, took a -1 to it's save, lost the ability to shoot and scoot and went up in price; on top of the fact that most things got a boost in durability either through the new cover mechanic or just plain more wounds.

Eldar as a faction have taken several hits to the nads with a extra plus sized nerfbat and I think it's glorious. I've been playing games with them and no longer feel the need to apologize and have had some really close calls.

>>54504475
t. manlet

>>54504651
Oh possibly, I was just typing as I was watching

>>54504007
OP... Did you deliberately choose your pic because it looks like the buttcrack of a naked woman bent over that is incased in shit when you are rapidly scrolling through the catalog?

>>54504655
I´m just saying where the outrage might come from

I personaly dont have much problems with primaris anyway, they are some lovely minis

>>54504343
>1000 years or so
>I'll ad 'or so' so when I'm schooled for not knowing anything about what I'm talking about I can go 'w-w-well I did say 'about' and then when they call me out on 'or so' not being anywhere close to 10,000 years, I'll call him autistic

So get to that part already.

>>54504654
Blood Angels.

>>54504622
>There are a few options that are missing in the codex that appear in the index: why is that? Does that mean I can’t use these models in my army anymore?
While the indexes are designed to cover a long history of miniatures, the codexes are designed to give you rules for the current Warhammer 40,000 range. There are a few options in the indexes for some Characters and vehicles that are no longer represented in the Citadel range – certain Dreadnought weapons that don’t come in the box, or some characters on bikes, for example.
Don’t worry though, you can still use all of these in your games if you have these older models. In these instances, use the datasheet from the index, and the most recent points published for that model and its weapons (currently, also in the index).
They still gain all the army wide-bonuses for things like Chapter Tactics and can use Space Marines Stratagems and the like, so such venerable heroes still fit right in with the rest of your army.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/

You can still run any units in the Index that don't have datasheets in the Codex.

>>54504587
What if it's a exact colour scheme wise as a chapter that no longer exists in 40k?, I really wanna do Sons of horus Primaris marines.

>>54504612
Well not poor, I will happily buy all the infantry and tanks etc but those artillery prices are stupid

>>54504450
Well, All I can do is tell you what I think is strong based on what I've played.

More infantry for a start, you wont get tabled if you have 100 guys on the table in a 750pt game. I think a mix of conscripts and upgradeless guardsmen is good as they have different applications. You can bring lots of heavyweapon teams too, they are cheap cheap cheap and most armies don't have enough guns to wipe them out quickly. I think the Valkyrie is a waste of points, not enough firepower and it just sort of flies around doing nothing, no one even bothers trying to kill it. Yarrick is too expensive, just get a regular commissar and another fuckload of something else. You can field a massive army of guard for 750, big enough to make other armies generate salt before you even play.

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>>54504378
>Big bobby G same points cost
Hahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHA

ha

Is it just me or others a shortage of nids at every store?

>>54504698
you having problems there anon?>>54504698

Can´t you just leave your negativity in /v/?

>>54504728
There there friend

>>54504706
>Blood Angels.
Good on ya, but unless you're running Archangels, you should be aware that there are Primaris all over the chapter.

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>>54504222
I miss when the TSons official color was the deeper blue. It just seemed like they changed it overnight one day.

>>54504728
Elaborate? You think he should have gone up? down? what?

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>>54504622
yeah so theyre going to squat all the ork biker characters? ok

gw actually outsmarted the people who only wanted to buy the codex ahahahahaaaa

>>54504734
Horde armies are meta now so WAAC players are probably buying them all up.

>>54504689
not talking about you, I'm talking about the reviewer. He mentions in the video that hellblasters are more expensive and they are not.

>>54504741
negativity? you're spouting utter shit which /v/ will think is legit and spout as if they know what they're talking about, 1000 years is not close to 10,000, in fact, it's x10 smaller.

>>54504753
Rowboat Girlyman is OP as fuck

>>54504545
>>54504669
Haven't we gotten confirmation that Primaris geneseed isn't affected by defects like Black Rage? And we also have confirmation that non-Primaris geneseed is no longer being preserved, and that in general non-Primaris are being phased out. Wouldn't that result in Death Companies no longer being a thing?

>>54504412
Iirc there were 'venerable' battle barges that were old capital ships fitted with thunderhawk bays and other space marine shit. But you have to be a little careful, the codex astartes explicitly states that marine ships should be useful for planetary assault and pure enemy-ship hunters should be strictly navy only. But then the more "they're guidlines not rules" chapters all took took nova escorts anyway and flipped of the inquisition.

>>54504435
That's some T H I C C bait you got there.

>>54504610
But there also isn't a non-chad Lieutenant model, yet GW made an entirely new unit entry with tons of wargear options for it (and we know that to be true because of that screencap of it) Despite the fact that it will mean less people will buy chad lieutenants. Why would they then squat 50% of the units that can be kitbashed even more easy ?

>>54504771
I know m8 I meant I didnt check any of this myself so what you're saying is certainly possible.

>>54504773
ok anon, calm down. why are you being so angry tho

>>54504435
who the fuck dis

>>54504734
Nids sold like crack in a black neighbourhood when the 8th rules leaked and all the starving tyranid players realized we had playable rules again for the first time in 10 years, and all the newfags who had wanted to start nids but were scared off by being told how bad they were finally got their opportunity to jump in and not have to have a sucky army.

>>54504545
on a scale of fucking brutal-fucking brutal, how fucking brutal will Death Company CC Inceptors be

>>54504751
They can't be the same blue as ultramarines! Now that they're a slightly different shade, anyone who collects both now needs to buy both shades of blue.

That's an extra paintpot sale.

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>>54504179

>>54504751
Just harder to paint that effectively.

>>54504794
Manlet Lieutenant can be made with the space marine captain box.

>>54504776
>Rowboat Girlyman is OP as fuck
He's nothing compared to magnus or a knight though.

>>54504820
Template?

>>54504817
Yes, assuming you're asking if this is how it works

>>54504751
You can still paint up yours a dark blue anon, painting minis in "official" Is for unimagitive people anyway

>>54504753
He's probably the whiny faggot who made the whole thread bitching about Robby being OP.

Meanwhile I've killed that shitter with a Tervigon.

>>54504839
>knight though
Knights are balanced because their points costs have jumped significantly, and Mag costs a fuckload of points too

>>54504778
From the Lexicanum:
"In addition, their gene-seed is far more stable and only has a 0.001% genetic deviancy per generation, avoiding the severe instability problems seen with Chapter's such as the Blood Angels and Space Wolves."
So Black Rage is still possible in Primaris BAngles, just much much rarer?

>>54504839
He shits all over knights.

>>54504839

Atleast Magnus can't buff absurdly, self-rez, and hide behind conscripts.
You can atleast light up Magnus like a christmas tree from across the board and sometimes wipe him out before he murders everything

>>54504764
>yeah so theyre going to squat all the ork biker characters? ok
If they don't have models, yes, 100% they won't make it into the Codex without a new model release.

But you'll legally be able to run them still with the index rules.

>>54504778
Have we?

And considering the Flaw has been perpetuated by them literally drinking Sangy's blood, I don't know that the "stable" Primaris geneseed would be immune.

>>54504823
And company vets on bikers can be made by throwing 5 bike kits and a box of veterans together. Somehow that sounds profitable for GW.

>>54504657
You can add a couple flamers if you want, but you gotta remember us dustbros are pretty slow and the warpflamers range is pretty low. Make sure you take a transport too!

>>54504520
>headline says "weaker"
>article says "less variation"

Also, I do remember reading that in parts of Africa there's more genetic diversity between tribes than there is between a dude in Thailand and another guy in Peru or something. Something to do with a mass extinction long time ago, reducing human population, from which different groups started spreading out.

I don't remember, could have been total bullshit.

>>54504887
This is gay as fuck.

Are GW trying to water down the uniqueness of their armies? What's the point of it all if you can't have Primaris Wulfen or Death Company

>>54504778
>Haven't we gotten confirmation that Primaris geneseed isn't affected by defects like Black Rage?
No, we've only been told "it's unknown how the new Primaris method of making space marines may react with the strange mutations inherent in Chapters like the Blood Angels and Space Wolves...[...........dot dot dot................... dot dot...................Primaris Wulfen and AngelWingmarines incoming dot dot.................]"

>>54504896
Because Magnus doesn't hide behind his men like a litte bitch.

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>>54504690
Anon.... I think....you might have a problem.

>>54504903
>>54504942
See >>54504887
Apparently Chapter 12 of Dark Imperium has info on it? Haven't read the book myself. It would appear BAngles have been specifically referenced in this regard, though.

>>54504937
>Being inbred isn't weakness ;__;

Diversity is Strength anon.

>>54504917
But its not one box, so someone like chapter house can make a Biker veteran box.

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Any new leaks in the last 24 hours?

>>54504850
>Go to link in >>54504179
>download image
>crop and add text

>>54504940
Wolfing wolf wolves were a mistake anyway.

>>54504943
....about Prospero

>>54504839
If Guilliman was just a combat character I would agree with you, he is well costed if you only look at his worthyness as a combat character.

But he also gives full re-rolls to hit and wound in an aura.

AND gives you free CP just for taking him

DOUBLE AND gives you a chance to regen CP.

Fucker is a utility monster who cannot be picked out and is also tough as fuck, he needs to be doubled in price to be fair. Maybe a third extra if you don't want to cause riots with pissy Marinefags.

>>54504970
Mad that they rek you in cc, WEfag?

>>54504956
That's what they're telling us now, and then as soon as Codex BA/SW comes out they'll want to release new special BA/SW Primaris models, and the fluff and rules will follow.

The Space Marines Codex already contradicts stuff in Dark Imperium. Black Library is only canon until the Codexes decide otherwise.

>>54504970
Maybe this was the plan all along? What would be gained by getting rid of Death Company, though?

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What's the worst tactical advice you've read today?

>>54504751
If I get any Thousand Sons I plan on painting them OG red Sons. I love the blue, but I also like their 30k era red.

>>54504745
Fluff-wise, yeah. But I just don't want these meme units in my army. BA already have golden, flying elite marines with 2W and armor-piercing bolt weapons.

Also, something I hate about Chads is that they have zero (0) special characters. Special characters are the soul of any army. Even if you don't have them on the table, they still serve as referece for player-made characters, they give a basis for novels, storylines, etc.

GW couldn't come up with a single Chad having individuality. They're just a soul-less horde, with weapons which do not make sense, none of the unique quirks of the chapters they pretend to be part of, and no appeal whatsoever.

>>54504937
Less variation is genetic weakness because of some shit i heard about ages ago in highschool. Something something get fucked over by one bad gene.
Anyway i find it amusing the test is just americans, since that is going to of course have less variation among whites than blacks since 95% of american black people are heavily intermixed with white people. Seriously they call them african americans but they have barely a genetic connection to africa anymore, they are pretty much whitey with a tan by comparison.

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DEAAAAATH COMES

>>54504435

battle barge is more of a designation rather than a class of ship, although there are dedicated hull types for it.

There were rules for using any Imperial capital ship as a battlebarge in BFG.

As far as escorts go, some chapters do end up using modified imperial navy hulls rather than their own but its not as common.

>>54505011
Oh absolutely. 30k scheme > any of their 40k schemes.

>>54505009
Probably >>54504864

>>54505012
>Also, something I hate about Chads is that they have zero (0) special characters.
Outside of BA, this is wrong

>>54505009
Roboute Giulliman is not OP

>>54504044
i'm a bit iffy about putting the lascannon and a plasmagun in a regular infantry squad
the plasma gun means you'll want to push forward but the lascannon forces you to stay still

i'm assuming you're putting the CCS in a valk ? which means nothing else really fits in there unless you plan on letting your conscript blob go without yarrick / CC so consider trying to shuffle some stuff around to try and find stuff to put in there

consider dropping the lascannon, and valkyrie heavy bolters for something more worthwhile
maybe, switch out the missile pods for hellstrike missiles,
consider dropping the valks pods for a hellstrike missile to and you've got 40 spare points for another infantry squad to upgrade your list to 3CP detachment, or drop the 2 heavy bolters and change pods to a missile and you've got 20 spare points to upgrade your infantry squad to vets , who'll also be nice to throw out of a valk, especially if you drop the CCS , put their meltas on the vets and get a platoon commander to jump out of the valk with them
that's just me spitballing ideas though

on a side note incase you hadn't noticed , if you split the cylposes up into 3 separate units you can take the heavy support detachment giving you 1 CP

Incubi or Wyches?

>>54504990
>gives full re-rolls to hit and wound in an aura
Only to other ultramarines so that rules out using him in an army for any other chapter.

>gives you a chance to regen CP
It doesn't say this in the rules anywhere what the hell are you talking about.

>>54504990
You don't pick off the buffing tank, idiot, you pick off the fragile DPS guys receiving his buffs around him until he's isolated, then you fuck him with melee specialists.

>>54504960
Chapter house was early 6e. Not counting the index they've had 2 muhreen codexes to get rid of characters that would be an issue before this one.

>>54504958
>less variation = inbred

Refugees welcome.

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Opinions?

Before anyone asks about the Scions: Because I have the old Stormtrooper models that have been begging me to field them for a long time.

>Squad 1 vomits dakka twice a turn with AoF
>Canoness hunkers down with Squad 1, providing them rerolls.
>Immolator transports Squad 2 to react to enemy
>Squad 3 is auxiliary
>Scions are response team

>>54505058
>>54504960
Chapterhouse has been dead for years now

>not updating their website
>not posting on facebook
>not dispatching order

CH is gone.

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The new space marine strategem is fucking stupid. Managed to hit a 3+ (possibly higher) shot? Here's a free d3 mortal wounds!

>>54505012
They already have special characters in the fluff. Several are mentioned in the Codex. This is a BRAND NEW release, man, you need to calm down and be patient. There's still years worth of Primaris stuff to come. Every future Space Marine release will be Primaris.

>>54505047
His fixed warlord trait which I believe is also a general UM warlord trait.

>>54505046
wyches are terrible, avoid at all costs

which is a shame, since their models are pretty goood,

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>>54505012

>I hate primaris because they dont have any special characters

I miss named characters requiring your opponents consent

>>54505024
>That leg
We full Sigmarine now. End this franchise. I bet the model looks very nice though in the flesh.

>>54504937
Non-African human groups went through a bunch of population bottlenecks that Africans never did. People imagine humans left Africa in continuous waves of people, pouring out, but really it tended to be a single tribal group moving slightly out into new lands and then multiplying in the new area, which naturally leads to a limited genepool, as everyone in say, Europe or Australia is descended from a handful of tribal groups.

Human populations have interbred enough over the intervening years that it's not a problem at all, non-Africans aren't genetically close enough to be at risk from say, a pandemic due to that lack of genetic diversity compared to Africans, it just means Africa has a far greater variety of genes per square km than anywhere else on Earth. It's one of the big things outside of the paleontological field that supports Out Of Africa.

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Any figs that I can use for my SoB?

>>54505081
A Chapterhouse like entity*

>>54504839
>take literally any Ultramarines unit with a high damage output
>crowd half a dozen of them around Girlyman
>watch them reroll all Hit and Wound rolls
>somehow worse than a D6/2D6 Mortal Wound Smite

>>54505018
Just because Mike has less money than Joe doesn't mean Mike is broke and can't afford shit.

>>54504895
One time I read about a game someone else saw. He one shouted a night then he buffed his soul into a termite and that guy one shorted another night. Tabled a 1500 point army in 1 round.

>>54505090
Are you talking about the new marine codex? Because in the imperium index he doesn't have a fixed warlord trait.

Where have his new codex rules been leaked?

>>54505129
>Are you talking about the new marine codex? Because in the imperium index he doesn't have a fixed warlord trait.
Yes

>>54504179

Are we still doing the incoherent conspiracy theory trolling of marine replacement? Despite not a single piece of evidence or indication?

Primaris having awkwardly forced unrelated battlefield roles to the real marines?

They're shittily tacked on, that's all.

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>Konor event starts at the same exact time the Space Marine Codex releases.

It's almost as if GW is trying to rig it so their posterboys have the advantage or something.

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>>54504038
About to drill some holes, prime and paint these today finally. My count as Straken, my Inquisitor in Terminator armor and Nork.

Last game I played was 1000 points against Orks and it was an awesome melee fest from turn 1 until turn 6. It further solidified my love of Straken, Nork and Bullgryn. I lost, but I did well considering I forgot to bring 160 points. Gonna play a few games next week at 1500 for our league. Going to add Celestine, an Eversor, an Inquisitor in Terminator armor and then probably some tanks.

>>54505129
Yes the codex, and the leaks have come steadily in the last 3 days, where have you been? We got the relics, new powers and traits.

>>54505082
It makes Heavy Bolters/Missile Launchers worth taking, costs Command Points, and can only be used once per shooting phase.

>>54505081
Crap... Now where am I suppose to get a hull extension for a Stormraven?

>>54505117
space marines or astra militarum scions.

>>54505123
No of course not, but it does mean he isn't as rich as Joe and is at greater risk of being unable to meet his need to buy golden statues of limousines. Genetic "weakness" is relative, I'm pretty sure almost no living creatures have genetics so bad its trash except the tasmanian devil.

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>>54504992

>>54505158
THIN YOUR PAI---oh, carry on

>>54505114
>Out of Africa
That's bullshit and you know it.

Anyone got that information about the non-primaris lieutenants?

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Is there not a way to have AdMech in a detatchment alongside a chaos one for Dark Mechanicus Allies?

>>54505150
Watch them rig it so that chaos wins anyway

"See, it doesn't matter if you have a codex or not, our game is balanced".

>>54505159
>We got the relics, new powers and traits
all of which I've seen

None of which have been gollygeemans new rules.

>>54505100
Come on, they're alright for the price. They just need to connect and they can pay their price back just fine. And it's not hard for them if you give them drugs for 10'' move for up to 24'' threat range.

>>54505171
I'm ok with black having genetic richness. It evens everything out.

>>54505158
Straken looks quite...arousing.

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>>54504751
i based them leadbelcher/rfang highlights, then thin layers of the blue tec color for gems.. looks decent and you can go with the old scheme anyway: in the 7th ed. book we had some i "old" colors, too. Like, the deep blue AND the red w gold from b4 the rubic fuckup..

>>54505190
Post the page about detachments. See for yourself.

>>54504940

It's so they can set it up for Heresy 2: Electric Boogaloo. Cawl is going to secretly release the Primaris he made from the Traitor and Expunged Legion geneseed because he believes they'll be be just as efficient as the ones he made form Loyalist geneseed, and there's no inherent flaw in Traitor geneseed.

Now GW has two ways to go then, one of which is lame but will probably happen, and the other which is cool but probably won't happen. The first option is that thanks to CHAOS the Traitor Legion derived Primaris do full to Chaos and triggers a second Heresy. The other option is that the SM chapters find out that they're now serving beside Marines made from Traitor geneseed, and the Chapters tear themselves apart in an orgy of infighting between those who see the Traitor primaris as an inherent threat and those who see them as no different to any other Marine, the flaw being in the original Legions and their Primarchs, not inherent to their geneseed.

In the course of either option, during the Heresy Primaris geneseed will begin to degrade, showing signs of mutation.

>>54505190
Well in a non battleforged list (So no matched play) you can, at the additional cost of no canticles.

So for fluffy games with friends it's fine, but not for actual games because hol-ee shit would that be strong.

>>54505117

Lots of Necromunda miniatures to use as militia troops. Using standard guardsmen rules.

What's the verdict on the Redemptor dread?

Good/Worth taking?
Shit?
Balanced?

The reveal mentioned it's supposed to rival the leviathan for anti-horde duty but I just don't see it beating twin-grav flux.

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>>54505158
>Terminator Armor
>Largely unmodified Stormcast Body

>>54505201
they are terrible and are pretty much instantly gibbed at T3 and 6+sv.

they don't even get their invul save when they are shot in melee by pistols.

they also have a hard time actually killing things like GEQ

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>>54505212

>>54505150
They don't have to rig anything, the result GW wants is probably already decided. All they have to do is toss all the entries and such in the bin and keep up appearances for at least the duration of the campaign.

>>54505166
Plastic card-fu is your friend.

>>54505184
Still the most widely accepted theory on human origin with a huge preponderance of evidence behind it, if you can decisively disprove it, you should publish and collect your Nobel.

Sold my marines and decided to do something fresh for the new edition.
What's a good start for harlies? Got a budget of £200.

>>54505158
Since when are inquisitors the size of space marines?

Even terminator armor won't make them that big.

Also why do you have a witch elf with a robot arm?

>>54505199
Well I'm SURE you've seen the UM unique warlord trait Adept of the Codex which every time you spend a CP it regens an a 5+.

Gorilla has that as his fixed one.

>>54505260

>Even terminator armor won't make them that big.

They end up piloting the terminator armor like a mech, that'll be about marine size.

>>54505212
>that picture
Oh my god, the variety is just staggering. You could have a guy in blue armour with gold trim with a purple tabbard or a guy in blue armour with gold trim with a *green* tabbard. Woah.

Jesus fuck GW, what is your problem with candy apple red? It looks infinitely better than this.

>>54505148
Intercessors are better than Tactical Marines in almost every situation.

Aggressors are amazing at clearing hordes for their points.

Reivers are the best melee infantry option, currently, although they still aren't great at it against actual melee armies (I should try running the numbers, though).

Inceptors just got a biiig points drop and became viable.

Hellblasters I need to run some numbers, they might be worse than Devastators.

The new grav-tank is a fucking auto-take.

Unsure about the Dread. I think it's solid with all Gatling loadout. Ironclads just got cheaper to compensate though.

Primaris Lieutenants are only like 10 points more than a normal one for a bonus Wound and Attack, I would say that's worth 10 points. They lose out on options but all you really need on them is a power sword.

>>54505231
I think its good, its something like 60pts over a normal Dreadnought, has more wounds, more anti-infantry guns, more attacks and more movement. Its not a must take or particularly broken but I think its effective enough that it wont cripple your army.

Besides since its larger the Wisdom of the Ancients stratagem will reach a bit more units than a normal dread which might be nice.

>>54505278
nice post formatting, faggot

>>54505231

Monobuild for anti-infantry and not wowing even at that. Solidly "meh it's okay" if you build for pure horde clearing.

>>54505278
>Primaris Lieutenants are only like 10 points more than a normal one for a bonus Wound and Attack, I would say that's worth 10 points. They lose out on options but all you really need on them is a power sword.

Options on the non-primaris lt is a fucking trap, 85 points for a 3 attack thunder hammer? Fuck that right in the ass.

Give him a combi melta or something and call it good I guess.

Asking again for a second opinion.

Belial is absurdly better than a TDA Interrogator-Chaplain, but I want to run an I-C.

Would it be worthwhile to run maybe two squads of DWK?
One as an anchor, and the other as an anchor with Belial helping out with shootan for nearby dudes and the I-C in the backfield, maybe with a mixed squad instead of DWK?

I dunno, just looking for ideas and possibilities here.

>>54505254
>Plastic card-fu is your friend.

I'd prefer something that doesn't look like shit.

>>54505231
Leviathan Dread is OP as fuck.

Redemptor is balanced. Not shit, not super-amazing, a decent take.

>>54505266
>CP it regens an a 5+
WOOOOOW.

Your pussy is bleeding over a 5+ chance to regen a command point each time one is spent? That's it?

>>54505125
Nigger,
With the right trait he has 7 attacks and re-rolling charges, so he's getting the charge
He hits on 2s rerolling, so
7*(35/36) hits
He wounds on 4s rerolling, so
7*(35/36)*(3/4) wounds
The knight has no invun in CC and it's -4, so no save
Each one does 3 damage, so
7*(35/36)*(3/4)*3=15.3125 wounds
But going back, every roll of a 6 to wound causes a further d6 mortal wounds, so an additional:
(7*(35/36)*(1/6+1/12))*(2)+(7*(35/36)*(3/4))*3=18.715 wounds

The knight back, assuming it has its sword rather than being pure shooty gets 4*(1/3)*(5/6)*(1/3)*6=2.222 wounds back off him

>>54505278

Yes and -only Intercessors off that list- do the same thing as normal marines.

>>54505260
More like a big suit to pilot than straight up armor. And I thought she looked cool.
>>54505232
I did the best I'm capable of.
>>54505211
+1 attack arousal buff.

>>54505290
>muh reddit boogeyman
>muh manlet marines are still more competitive meme

>>54505158
Runnig bullgryn with Straken seems like a waste, they can't use his buff.

>>54505266
Do you know if it refunds either just 1 or up to X CP when you spend X CP (more than 1 I mean) for one strategem?

>>54505312
Spend 9 CP and that's an average of 3 free CP. On top of the ones you already get for merely taking Guilliman. Fact is that CP management is now a large part of the game. Especially as the new stratagems come in.

And nice job falling back to "S-so what it's shit anyway" after shouting for proof it existed in the first place.

>>54505278
Good luck moving any of that shit up the board into a position where it can do anything, except for reivers which can "outflank".

enjoy your 300pt+ transport tax.

>>54505278
I'm really not convinced rievers are the best melee option for marines, if that's what you meant. That AP - on their knives is the real dealbreaker IMO, whereas almost every marinelet melee option can bring stuff to hack through armour (even if only on the sarge).

>>54505313
>With the right trait he has 7 attacks and re-rolling charges, so he's getting the charge
Guilliman can't choose a Warlord Trait, he's a named Ultramarines Character so he HAS to take the Ultramarines trait, no ifs ands or buts.

>>54505312
>33% more Command Points
>in addition to the 3 Command Points Girlyman already gives you
So even if you take detachments without Command Point bonuses, you get 6 of them, plus 33% from the WT, so you effectively have 8 Command Points from an army that should only have 3

>this is somehow not unbalanced

>>54505341
>>muh reddit boogeyman
>reddit mentioned anywhere in that post
jesus anon calm down

>>54505100
So how about them Incubi then?

>>54505348
I use infantry squads with Power Mauls and other guns along with Conscripts to go near Straken. Bullgryn mostly operate alone or they team up to beat up large blobs or strong enemies. Plus Straken and Nork are more fun takes.

>>54505362
Sure, but I'd rather take 5 Reivers that get 16 attacks and have 10 Wounds than take 10 Assault Marines with 20 or 21 attacks of which 2 or 3 might be better than S4 AP0 D1
Never mind that the Reivers are probably cheaper than the 10 Assault Marines.

>>54505307
Nah, have one knight squad and one termie squad but with melee options, so power weapon on your sergeant, claws, power hammer/shield, one chain fist and one power fist, then you can have three shots at least and a strong melee unit.

>>54505362
Anon, they have to be, he ran the numbers !

>>54505375
Taken without Drazzy, SHIT
Taken with Drazzy, adequate.

>>54505350
You roll for every CP spent, regardless of whether you spent them separately or multiple at once on a big stratagem.

>>54505360
Reivers can straight up deep strike, if you run Raven Guard anything can infiltrate, Inceptors deep strike, Hellblasters and Intercessors have the range to set up and shoot from your deployment zone or footslog up the board, and the "tax" transport has more dakka and more wounds than a fucking stormraven for less points and doesn't suffer from the new Flyer patch.

>>54505248
What doesn't get gibbed in the open in the dark eldar army?

That's why you stick them in a Venom so they can go get tangled in combat with some unit worth way more than them. They're 9 points a piece and can easily survive a bunch of fight rounds against shit much more expensive.

Sure they won't really kill anything, but that's not really their role.

>>54505150
vanilla SM have never been competetive outside of free vehicles, so shut yoru trap

>>54505350
You roll once for each CP required to pay for a stratagem, then get however many back that passed the roll.

>>54504473
>>54504484
They reroll one hit and wound roll per unit each time the shoot or fight, not per turn

Are there any armies that can pull off heavy melee based lists?

>>54505100
Fuck the may Sayers bloodbrides are GOAT. No reason not to field your acrobat druggie murder ho's. Do it for the dark city Anon.

>>54505416
>for less points
How much does a kitted out with sponsons repulsor cost?

>>54505375
pretty good meq killers but kinda expensive points wise, don't get them near dedicated melee units like genestealers, death company, or berserkers.

>>54505421
honestly the venom you stick them into will put more work than the wyches. But don't run minimum units of wyches, they will just get punched to death in your CC phase.

>>54505106
Anon, all Mk X armour has those legs.

>>54505188
You mean that they exist or like their gear options? Cause honestly i wanna know too

>>54505407
Is 4 HQ choices too many in a DA list?
Wanna run Belial, I-C TDA, and TDA Libby.
I'd need to take two detachments to make it work.

>>54504940
Remember that Cawl would never exaggerate how awesome his creations were nor just outright lie.

>>54505436
>what are Tyranids
>what are Orks
How new are you?

>>54505436
Dark eldar black Templar orcs but mostly orcs.

>>54505427
>vanilla SM have never been competetive outside of free vehicles,
>What is 3rd edition?
>what is assault out of rhino's?

>inb4 t-that was a l-long time ago! I-it doesn't c-count!!!

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>>54505405
>not playing Black Templars and giving your crusaders bolt pistols and chainswords and two power weapons with a heavy weapon initiate and a sword brother

How's this for a 5 man vanguard vet kit

x2 with bolt pistol/chainsword to die first
x1 with storm shield and power sword to eat plasma and hit MEQ
x1 with pair of lightning claws
Sergeant carries a thunder hammer and storm shield

Debating saving more points to swap the storm shield on the sergeant for a pistol but I dunno.

I feel like pistols aren't that great on vanguards because if you shoot before your charge, the guy'll just take casualties from the front and make your charge harder

>>54504657

They are better than in 7th.

Can fire overwatch now and have a 2+/4++ against small arms fire, and Warpflamers actually have decent AP.

>>54505477
Give the Sarge a Relic Blade if you can.

>>54505440
If you like the model, by all means run the unit, but they are pretty terrible math wise.

your pretty much better running a court with the snake people or a beast master unit

>>54505451
TDA?

Not really. I'm playing 1500 tomorrow and I'm taking Belial, termie librarian, deathwing apoth and a primaris chapter master

i'm big and gay. Has marines codex leaked?

Can't wait to replace my 200+ Ork boys with Primaris Orks.

Aggressors are basically the only good Chadmarines. They're basically Centurions, but less ugly, which was, honestly, not very hard to achieve.

>>54505492
>TDA?
Tacticool Dreadnought Armour, i.e., Terminator Armour

>>54505495
Dark Angels isn't out for a while yet.

>>54505436

hormagaunts, genestealers, broodlords

run fast, get into melee fast, chop things up

>>54505490
Math is for nerds get back in the locker Melvin!

>>54505502
>They're basically Centurions,
LOL
>but less ugly
Whoops, you made a mistake in your post.

>>54505497
Primorks are Nobz, Anon.

>>54505495
There hasn't even been a hint of when the Dark Angels codex is released anon.

>>54505502
So basically you were basically only talking about looks basically and not crunch ?

>>54505487

I really like the Thunder hammer for dealing with vehicles though if necessary.

Though I guess the more I look at it a potential 9 wounds isn't putting anything out of the fight.

>>54505502
>Aggressors
>less ugly
But they look like a cluttered mess of random weapons haphazardly bolted on wherever the designers thought they could get away with.

>>54505505
Ah, no should be fine if your points allow it. The re-rolls and buffs you get help negate their point cost a lot. In the case of a game I played a couple of weeks ago, my rerolls from Sammael on the Ravenwing meant I was dealing up to 5 more wounds per squad on average which is about the same as you'd get from another squad of black knights anyway so its worth it.

>>54505541
>>54505510
damnit.

>>54505545
with a lil greenstuff they make nice obliterators thou

>>54505405
model count is still relevant for holding objectives, as well as screening

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>>54505516
don't make me tell my dad on you!

>>54505569
Cool. I'm gonna point something up. If you;re still here, perhaps you'd give me some C&C if you're still about when I'm done.

>>54505580
That's a pretty good idea actually

>>54505466
it indeed doesn't count

>>54505443
They don't have sponsons.

I would have to double-check everything when we get a better shot of points values but a fully kitted Stormraven is like 311-326 depending on whether you take asscannons or lascannon.

You can run a Repulsor for cheaper than that for sure, but if you give it all the most expensive upgrades it comes out to a bit more.

>>54505581
im actually pissed obj secured is back !_!

t. horde player

i guess ill just have to bury the objective with bodies now

>>54504108

What the fuck is a sky splinter?

>>54505606
>Good luck getting within 3'' of that objective when there are 50 conscripts surrounding it

Am I doing myself a disservice if I use two butcher cannon arrays on a Leviathan?

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>>54505620

>>54504240
Yeah that's right anon. Just like how Sisters of Battle have been a well supported army all these years. No complaints from them right?
Manlets will be fine

>>54505583
wtf why is he crying?

>>54505581
Not if you're marines for the first point. Marines get a rule in the codex which is essentially objective secured, gives them priority on objectives no matter how many opposing models contest it. Unless another unit has a similar rule later on down the line.

>>54505460
>dark eldar
what good melee units do dark eldar have that can kill anything besides MEQ and GEQ?

>>54505652
No matter how much of his armor he paints blue, he will never be an Ultramarine.

>>54505405
5 Reivers is 100 points with grav-chutes or grapnel launchers to get into position. 90 points bare bones.

10 assault marines is 160 points with jump packs, or 130 bare bones, before adding in the price of the sergeants special weapon. They also lose 2 attacks for every wound they suffer, while Reivers lose 1.5 attacks for every wound they suffer and have lower granularity so it affects them less often.

Reivers also have -1 AP on their pistols and shock grenades to reduce enemy weapon skill and prevent overwatch, although it's kind of hard to get the grenades off because they're too short-ranged to use from Deep Strike.

>>54505638
thats the joke

>>54505652
everything is just dust in the wind

>>54505639
Yes, because they're only allowed to take one.

>>54505652
Because Magnus did nothing wrong

>>54504475
> t. Manlet
> t. Poorfag
God I wish this game required a height requirement and credit check.

>>54505661
That's only for Troops, so irrelevant when discussing Reivers vs Assault Marines who are Elites and FA respectively.

>>54505692
Jawohl mein Furher

>>54505684
You haven't seen the FAQ have you? Leviathans and Contemptors can take two of the same weapons now.

>>54505680
Losing 2 wounds rather than 1 to every weapon that doesn't have D1 seems to more than offset the lower granularity.

>>54504520
>20
>15

Wowwee they did 35 entire tests? No wonder this information is definitely not bait!

>>54505644
SOB need new molds. I dream of African goddess bolter bitchers ebonying up a table with some soulful assaults. Oh yaa. Shit would get real real funky.

>>54505692
Manlets are more expensive than Chads anyways because you need to buy more of them to have an army.

Let the poorfags waste excessive money on inferior marines that will basically get legacy support out of pity in all editions moving forward as Chads get more and more releases and buffed to be better and better.

>>54505584
Go for it man, should be around for another hour or so.

>>54505639
grav weapons are GOAT on levis, so if you don't take them you might as well kill yourself. deals with infantry AND tanks

>>54505728

>Losing 2 wounds rather than 1 to every weapon that doesn't have D1 seems to more than offset the lower granularity.

I dont know do your tacticals eat a lot of missile launcher shots?

Truth be told if they're blowing their D2 weapons on reivers or intercessors they're doing you a favor, especially if you have a leviathan or something actually threatening.

I thought WaaCfags was just a meme, but I've finally experienced it. There's a dude at my lgs that only plays all flier lists or knights against new players. He was mad as hell when all fliers got errata'd, was fucking great.

>>54505652
space wolves being mean

Wait, how did Blood Angels get Primaris marines if they're on the wrong side of the big ass warpstorm that is dividing the imperium?