Paizo Games General /pgg/ (also /pfg/)

>>54492034
Newfag again.

What are FotJR and SotJR? Cringeworthy sexgames someone ran? People?

>>54492220
If there's anything here you don't know, you're better off not knowing it.

>>54492220
Campaigns advertised here that combine the first book of Rise of the Runelords with Jade Regent.

>>54492220
RotJR (Rise of the Jade Regent) is a campaign that recruited from this general at the beginning of the year. The higher powered chargen rules, hint of "as lewd as the players want", and literally months long application process made it insanely popular and competitive. The DM decided to run two games (one run on Friday known as FotJR and one run on Saturday known as SotJR). FotJR is composed largely the DM's friends with a few random popular apps to fill out the party, while SotJR is full of the most memed/self-shilled characters involved in the app process.

>>54492217

Wow yeah that does suck. My experience with pfg games hasn't had a player that trash.

Hope communication with the player or the DM can resolve it for you in some manner.

>>54492269
Thanks for explaining that.

>>54492236
But knowledge is power!

>>54492269
so these threads are just massive circle jerks for the people playing?

>>54492269
Unfortunately, SotJR ended up being the GM's favored son (see >>54492278 ) while FotJR is his excuse to goof off.

>>54492269

All in all though, they seem like they're having fun, and i'm happy for them!

>>54492191
I legitimately hate that image. This is probably the version of spidergirls I hate the most, holy fuck.

I like snakefolk, fungusfolk, plantfolk, octopusfolk, insectfolk, and various other folk. Mostly things with kinda strange physiologies that would create cultural differences and varied societal structures. I've played a homebrew snake race and a homebrew octopus race. Snake race had variants for different hunting styles, and the octopus race was kind of disappointing because it was MGE Scylla, so I added a bunch of fluff. I'd REALLY like to play one of those parasitic fish that replaces another fish's tongue. That would be a kind of cool gestalt for the body being the muscle while the tongue is a caster.

>>54492319
Here's hoping Iron Gods/Carnal Crown/Fiends and Intrigues end up working out too.

Optimism is key.

>>54492312
Not really. Even with big games you'll have maybe 10 people who play it and dozens who didn't get in or had no idea of its existence.

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>>54492191
Planty flower people! And nobody would give them to me, so I fucking wrote them myself.

>>54492269
>literally months long application process
Except that's literally wrong, the actual application process was a month or less. The WAITING ROOM that got started shortly after the GM asked if anyone would be interested in the game LATER was open for months and months.

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>>54492191
>exotic races

>>54492191
Those are honestly the most boring, laziest 'spidergirls' I have ever seen.

>>54492361
>A semantic argument
WEW LAD

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>>54492382
>Not liking exotic races

>>54492319
Yeah, fun. Being hated and ridiculed is tons of fun.

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>>54492191
>no actual spider asses
>still have human legs?
>not using the spider legs for anything, they're hanging limp for some reason
>only one set of eyes

>>54492361
>The WAITING ROOM
That included everything you needed for your application. It was part of the application process in everything but name.

>>54492426
Monstergirls that don't have at least very big tits are disgusting imho.

>>54492191

An idea in my head for Sun Birds. Fire Elemental bird people who have built a giant ark ship near the sun and watch over their unconcious god-emperor who flys around the sun endlessly

>>54492436
those aren't even monstergirls, they're a bunch of random schoolgirls with some spider legs strapped onto something under their clothes because they thought it was cool

>>54492415

Well thats why they don't post greentexts of their adventures here anymore. cause we're all assholes to them. judging every decision they made and trying to play the two groups against each other like it was a race.

They haven't STOPPED having fun, they just don't share that fun with us anymore

This is why we cant have nice things.

>>54492472
I hadn't thought about it but which groups even regularly greentext anymore?

Anyone have that homebrew that turned those generic +1s and +2s for enchantments into "mundane" improvements to the weapon or armor? Like a +2 Longsword is just a very well-crafted longsword, rather than explicitly magical?

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Starfinder recruitment when?

>>54492353
Post them.

This kinda thing gives me cancer.
> Playing an official adventure path, 6 people. I think the adventure is Rise of The Runelords or something.
> I'm currently a level 2 wizard
> We just clear a factory of like 20 goblins, but there's a huge WTF thing. The dude that owns the factory is vivisected and hanged from the ceiling. He has a 'crystalized' heart in his chest, DM describes it as still beating.
> We get him down, I use mage-hand to extract the thing from his chest
> DM tells me to roll a will save, me and the paladin nearby
> WTF. I pass obviously. Immediately declare detect magic, the paladin goes detect evil.
> Dm claims the object "Isn't magic", and is also somehow "Detects as evil".

I also happen to know that fits the bill of Artifact, except that the inexperienced DM is being stupid.
> Don't know what the artifact does, only know that it's an artifact of some kind. It's evil, and it attempts to mind-control people who come into contact with it.
> I set it aside so I can build a lead-lined steel box, go into great detail into how it's going to be protected. Such as buying a scroll of "Runes of Durability" to make that thing as tough as adamantium, and putting an alarm on the box.

Cont.

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>>54492472
It's not too surprising, if the app process was as competitive as folks say. A lot of anons don't see a problem with taking out hard feelings on people.

>>54492490

Sotjr is the one that shares more often. because Wetbirb is a nice guy and when something actually happens he'll share.

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>>54492501
This seems more accurate to /pfg/.

>>54492472
I've thought of collecting session logs/greentexts from different games, pastebinning them, and then putting an archive link for them in the OP. Logs/greentext from games get posted, but don't get posted in the thread. People can still talk about them, but because you don't have a player or DM from the game coming in to personally drop the logs/greentexts in the thread, it doesn't come off as much like they're trying to force people to talk about them.

>>54492514
Did we ever find out who smooched who at the harvest festival?

>>54492501
Already did several times, friend, but another one never hurts!
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/5283967/list-of-ssdk-materials

>>54492353
>>54492539

Are you the dude running the Karvane game?

>>54492398
>>54492436
I won't argue it wasn't cancer and a fucking awful idea, but one of the first things the GM pitched was the chargen anyway. Even if there wasn't a waiting room, people were probably going to sperg out about it. There just wouldn't have been an easy way to concentrate all the autism, meaning it wouldn't have gotten so cancerous.

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>>54492515

>>54492520
The vocal minority that hates /pfg/ games would still bitch and complain. Every week people would start talking about the events of the latest greentext for their favorite games and the anti-game autists would pitch the usual fit.

>>54492501
When we get the rule book! I'm sure there will be a veritable smorgasborg of Starfinder games within the month that it drops in the thread. I just want to run a dungeon crawl for lots of people so we can all test some builds and see how the game works in practice.

>>54492541
That I am, my dude. And it seems the captcha is wise to my shilling, too.
>calle attention

>>54492505
> Still more WTFs
> I inform the DM that I'm going to take several precautions, and run some tests on it. Going into very specific detail
> "We're going to setup a secured testing-chamber, with a FULL SUITE of Protection-spells. EVIL, GOOD, CHAOS, LAW, just to be sure."
> "I'm going to get my hands on a live subject, so I can expose him to it under the secure conditions, in order to find out what it does."
> DM then tells me that I'm not allowed to do that because that would be an evil act. If we want to learn more about it, we're just gunna have to touch it ourselves.
> Both me and party paladin throw the DM. Both of us agree it would be totally irresponsible to just toss the artifact in a lake(It would make this someone else's problem), and we can't risk trying to destroy it because we still don't know what it does.
> At the same time I'M ONLY A LEVEL 2 WIZARD. This is literally the only thing I can do to it since my options this early are so limited.

FFS, there's so many different arguements we could make over this. From the utilitarianist response that "It's for the greater good" that we must know what this artifact does, so we can protect people from it PROPERLY. To the simple capitalist response of simply COMPENSATING a peasant for this shit.

>>54492543
If you're running a game that allows lewds - not even an ERP game necessarily - you need extremely strict quality control or else you'll rake in the shit. If you've ever seen an ERP Discord server, you'll know what I mean. It gets bad very very fast.

Especially for ERP RPG games you need even more quality control.

>>54492527

It was Casimir and Val. they kissed right at the apex of the dancing next to the bonfire. Just about everyone was watching. it was adorable as fuck.


Corwin was being a grump and decided to try to find himself. Having to kill his first crush, and who he thought was his best friend did a number on him.
Leaving a note and not much else. He left for about a year to comeback after the timeskip.

he seems okay now. though he got a slap in the face worth 4d6 nonleathal from Ameiko, and a hug. so all is forgiven.

>>54492559
Don't listen to the people calling it a Memetrigue game. It looks fun.

I may or may not have already applied but it does look fun and "it's as lewd as you make it" is the way to go.

>>54492577
>Ameiko can somehow deal 4d6 nonlethal
Jesus Christ, she's definitely Onryou's sister.
Does Shizuka even exist in this timeline? Or is she doomed to noncanon?

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>>54492569
Man, I got into a game that was advertised as having "mature themes" and holy fuck. Lust elves with futa dicks fucking horses, eidolons fucking people, one player got utterly shat on by the GM for denying the GM's NPC fuckmeat. You REALLY need quality control.

>>54492577
Come on Sweagle, you forgot how Corwin and Onryou spent that night in each other's arms!

>>54492563
Try to contact some paladin order, see if they can take it off your hands. That wouldn't be making it someone else's problem, unlike the lake, since you'd be giving it to people who should be better capable of handling it.

>>54492563
It's not an evil act if they're willing.

Find a bum. Pay him. Yeah, you don't know what it does, but if he gives informed consent, it's not evil.

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>>54492501

>>54492609
>one player got utterly shat on by the GM for denying the GM's NPC fuckmeat

I really hope there's a storytime for this, because I love me a tale of the DM trying to push shit.

>>54492514
Also because nobody immediately shits on them for simply being. See below for how they love to put on a fucking song and dance for the thread. And you people eat it up.
>>54492577
>>54492612

>>54492609
It sounds like the GM is running the game as his ERP lewdfest that everyone have to join in on.

If you're running a full ERP or even just a game where lewds happen if players want you need to collaborate with the players and GM alike.

>>54492408
Only Master Race
On Mother Base

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>>54492577
>It was Casimir and Val. they kissed right at the apex of the dancing next to the bonfire. Just about everyone was watching. it was adorable as fuck.

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>>54492640
Is this... Is this a new brand of bait? I feel like this is some kind of elaborate false-flag.

>>54492581
Thanks friendo! I'll try my best to get the campaign to maximum levels of fun for everyone involved including me

>>54492608
>Shizuka even exist in this timeline?

She does exist! She actually visited a few weeks into the two year down time. She wrote the novelization of the First Act...

Turns out she took creative liberties with it. Changing names and dates to protect the innocent and all that. But That ment writing Onryou out of the plot, Corwin being a Literal Animal, and the only tiefling was a short devil spawn gunslinger

>>54492613
I like this idea, although unfortunately we're on some bumfuck coastal town. The closest thing available to a paladin order is some "nondenominational" priest. We already neither like nor trust him. At the same time since this is an established adventure, I have a sneaky suspicion that the artifact is also plot-essential.

>>54492614
Pretty much exactly this. We have all the precautions setup, full suite of detection and protection spells setup. Cleric+paladin+kill team on standby. The hobo will be in good hands, and even if he somehow dies, we'll still compensate his family generously. I think like what, 10 gold is enough to feed a family in this game for 10 years?

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>>54492674.
>>54492695

Really i'm just glad that the Kaijitsu force can still assemble.

>>54492629
I've never storytimed before, so I don't think I'd be very good at it. Basically, Living Campaigns a shit. The GM had a PC that was the highest level PC in the game. He was a Master Summoner with Leadership. One of his cohorts was a half-succubus, and she tried to get the knight character to fuck her. He said no, so she used magic offscreen to turn some townsfolk against him and frame him for a crime, getting him arrested. The GM is controlling all of this, and I complained, and he told me not to interrupt his meaningful scenes.

I have many horror stories from that campaign, but they're best left to a That Guy or That GM thread, I think.

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>>54492577
>It was Casimir and Val. they kissed right at the apex of the dancing next to the bonfire. Just about everyone was watching. it was adorable as fuck.

It's only a matter of time until we get LOGS of the inevitable PMs!

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>>54492646
>Racism
>In my Outer Heaven

>>54492716
https://pastebin.com/5mL0eJUd

>>54492549
I really want to try different versions of the insect race. I think they have potential.

>>54492659
<3

and no im not trying to suck up to you so youll accept me

probably

>>54492629
I wanna hear this too. The game sounds like a nightmare or some shit where the GM is just lewding with himself and getting mad when people don't want to lewd with him.

>>54492675
5 silver for a "good" meal or trail rations, so you'd be feeding one person for three weeks or so.

Still, the "life insurance" idea isn't a bad one.

>>54492764
Still seems good. The last time I ever read an adventure path, it was Keep on the Borderlands, which placed the cost of Bread and Beer as 1 copper each.

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>>54492713

>mfw you join a Living Campaign as an explicitly passive, crafting-focused character
>mfw you try to corner the market as the wealthiest, or at least the most important, son of a bitch in Generic Town
>mfw you go out of your way to present yourself as a target for either players eager to bully yours, or find cause to hate them in very petty ways

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>>54492709
Shizuka showing up makes me hope we'll see more cameos, because there were a lot of fun characters that could have made it in.

Some will never make it, though.

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>>54492805
>Some will never make it, though.

Nigga that cute Shelynite cat-girl is a native of the Linnorm Kingdoms, I'm sure she'll show up when the party gets to Kalsgard.

>>54492713
I feel your pain man, the GM screwing your character over with behind-the-scenes backstabbery is part of what led to me leaving a group once.

Might as well throw on the damn nametag.
>>54492710
House Karvane is pretty big and consists of a lot of people with varied tastes. There can be opportunities for lewds wherever you can make them happen, though you may have to work for them more with some people than others.

The start of the campaign will be at latest at the end of august, but I'm ramping things up so I can start shortening the app time if possible. Depending on how the party comes together, we may be able to start in 2-3 weeks if we're lucky.

You just have to shill more so we get more apps!
>>54492753
anonymous sucking-up is always welcome, fear not!

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>>54492788
> Mfw I make a wizard with all of the crafting feats
> Spend all my downtime making magic items and putting more Charged Spells on my wand to make myself more useful in combat
> Mfw the party throws a shitfit when I tell them I'll make magic items for 60% of the book cost.
> They autistically ree because I actually make shit for 50% of the book cost, and I'm pocketing the remaining 10% as a service fee.
> Some of them outright refuse to get magic items from me, they would literally rather pay FULL PRICE for items than give the wizard a little extra pocket change.

Daily reminder that I didn't spend literally all of my feats on crafting skills just for the party. 60% of the book price should be perfectly acceptable, this isn't fucking communism.

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>>54492788
>>54492753
I've actually been in a shitton of living campaigns. My first was because I was young and naive. Roleplaying whenever I had free time sounded fun, and it was! But that campaign blew the fuck up. I got my current and literally the best campaign I've been in out of it, though. Now I go into them expecting a shitshow when I'm bored and have nothing to do. They generally don't disappoint with horribly unbalanced homebrew "fixes" and people that can't rp for shit. Ended up becoming obscenely wealthy in a few campaigns because the GMs couldn't into balance and none of the players could see the obvious optimal money-making options.

>>54492826
Oh dear me, no. I didn't experience any pain. I knew the GM from a past campaign, so I wasn't surprised by any of the gratuitous stupidity. I felt a bit bad for the knight's player. He and his friends he invited were actually expecting something good.

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>>54492850
>60% of the book price should be perfectly acceptable, this isn't fucking communism.

But anon, don't you know? All cash must be evenly distributed or else you're a big asshole!

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>>54492577
>you will never smooch your crush at the harvest festival

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>sad because no games a year ago
>now in five games of all varieties
>planning on running two more games
>am considering making them flexible time games that could play on Monday/Tuesday/Friday

The fuck is wrong with me

Captcha pls
>colle holmes

>>54492898
No, anon, it's worse.
You will watch your crush smooch someone else at the harvest festival. And the two of them, and the thread, will never stop rubbing it in your face.

>>54492905
Is that... bad? Are you burning out?
>>54492946
Absolutely savage.

>>54492898
>>54492946
>why not a threesome

>>54492963
I'm not burning out.

I'm just finding it funny that I was sad because I had NO GAMES a year ago, and all my games before then died. Now I have TONSAGAMES. And I wanna run more.

>>54492898
> Dat feel when the female wizard has a charisma of 7
> Literally can't flirt with anyone because she basically has autism.
> So she just steals attractive people's toenails to make Simulacrums out of them.
> Whole party thinks this is super creepy because they're essentially body pillows that walk and talk.
> Meanwhile they are banging every NPC that's even moderately attractive.

>>54492674
I'm... not sure I like how that turned out. There's something kind of insensitive about the FotJR group being the "punchline" of a one-off gag for SotJR, you know? Seems like it does that whole party, and Shizuka, a disservice.

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>>54492946
>You will watch your crush smooch someone else at the harvest festival. And the two of them, and the thread, will never stop rubbing it in your face.

What fresh hell have I just entered?

>>54492861
Regardless, if you want a place to vent I made a thread to post in, it's got that guy from American Psycho as the header pic.

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>>54492976
Funny how life can be.
>>54492982
7 cha life, baby. To be fair, my party isn't fucking everybody. One of them is in a committed relationship, but that's it. Getting treated like dumb muscle while folks swoon for the girlier fighter stings a bit, though.

>Get into a game with your crush
>Find out they're much better at crafting apps than they are at actually playing

>>54493081
I had fun describing it though. The wizard's a half-elf, so naturally she's moderately attractive. The way I described it is that her typical method of flirting with people was to go up to them and give them a lecture on astrophysics. I just like to play it up for laughs.

>>54493030
Or both parties are the other party as described in the Burnt Offerings novel, written by Shizuka Kaijitsu.

>>54493030

the other group seemed to like it.

>>54493089
>tfw you know you're that guy

>>54492965
Any number of reasons.
>They hate you that much and want you to feel like shit
>They think it'll be a great joke and don't know you weren't in on it
>They're already banging IRL and don't want to complicate things
>One of them threatens to break the campaign up
Any of these or more.

>>54493030

The novel in question is mostly supposed to read like pulpy action book with some noir thrown in.

Granted its a Romance Author's first foray into a different genre.

>>54493115
Fair. I like it as a socializing thing too. My Half-Giant wall was considered incredibly masculine, and actually won the attention of many a lady in the boonies when we were there for a festival. Ended up bedding 13 ladies after winning the arm wrestling contest. He clammed up in conversation, though. He was smart and wise, but he had a hard time getting that across when speaking, so he usually stayed pretty quiet.

The lady, on the other hand, talks a lot. She just has no tact, so she comes off as boorish. Coupled with her beefy appearance, she's relegated to hanging back while the cha kiddies smooth talk people.

>>54493030
I'm still not convinced this isn't some desperate, elaborate false-flag to do... Fuck, I don't even know what at this point.

It's also a joke, you egg.

>>54493089
that's basically all of pfg

>>54492850
Oh god, what an awful group. Our group regularly plays characters of all sorts of ethics, and someone really ripping someone off isn't even frowned upon, as long as it's in character. Of course, what you did isn't even ripping people off.

>>54493116
>Shizuka is actually a trans-dimensional storywriter who collects daring tales of heroism from across all the alternate earths and then sells them to Nethys for a couple bucks during Golariocon

>>54493190
People form crushes based on apps? I haven't been here for a long time, and this crush business is pretty new to me. Is the forming of crushes a Discord thing?

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>>54493197

you know what? i can believe it. She seems the type.

>>54493196
Like, wtf. I'm not even ripping them off, they're straight up getting a 40% discount on all magic items. I'd say to the fighter, YEA SURE. If he wants to spend 50% costs on magic items, he can spend a whopping 15 skill points(I get around this with Arcane Reinforcement and high intelligence) on the requisite crafting skills, and spend 4 or 5 of his feats on the various item creations.

I'm playing a barbarian with an int of 7 a Wis of 7 and s Cha of 7. He is a rapist who smears his own feces on himself and eats his own dick cheese.

>>54493249
Want to team up with my Fighter? He uses poop and farts as weapons

>>54493205
It's a human nature thing. Take part and PM your special one!

>>54493259
How does he do that?

>>54493243
Then that's fine. Use your abilities to load yourself up with twice the magic items and be ahead of the powercurve. They did this. If anyone complains, then tell them to spec into crafting to catch up.

>>54493265
I mean, if I had a crush, I would, but I'm unsure how I'd form a crush on somebody I only interact with anonymously except when reading their app.

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How do I include a Nosferatu as a BBEG in my campaign? What do I do with him? How do I introduce him?

I'm bad at doing vampires but I really want to use one

>>54492342
I agree, it just looks like dumb little girls wearing shitty dresses

I've done a lot of world building for games before but I always just assemble loose notes for myself and give my players the info by word as it becomes necessary.

In regards to an LFG, what's the recommended way of presenting my setting? Roll20 doesn't support PDF files does it?

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>>54492191

Speaking of attractiveness, social ability and all that.

I think a good rule of thumb is that Charisma is the divining line on weather the general public sees your attributes as either positive or negative.

You can have the rack of a champion, but a negative charisma they could seem "too big" or unseemly to the average viewer. Kinda how people with gigantomastia aren't seen as "normal" or even attractive. But a charisma positive can have it look like your character's chest is the 8th wonder of the world. Awe inspiring, and exotic.

Or to use a quirk or a personality trait. Lets say someone is boisterous, bellicose or just plain rowdy. A charisma positive can have a person be seen as A loveable party animal, the rough and tumble rogue you always root for in a fight.

A charisma negitive has a public perception of being dangerously violent, or not having manners.


Now the examples i've shown are typically "First Impressions". Which in a TTRPG are typically all you get with the majority of NPCs. Overtime, someone may "Warm Up" to a negative Charisma character's traits, or vice versa. A charisma Positive character may start to be despised for their actions.

In short, Charisma is what the gut reaction is to an individual's traits.

>>54493420
It doesn't, but you can link to a PDF on Google Drive or whatever just fine. Hell you could even link them to De Chan, assuming you know them and aren't inviting retarded rando shitters to De Chan.

>>54493478
Pretty much exactly this, charisma isn't necessarily how "attractive" you are, but it is ALWAYS how charming you are. A charismatic person without a pretty face can easily be a good leader, see people like JFK, or an Ork Chief.

I would say that some combination of Strength, Dexterity, and Con forms the basis of how attractive your character is, but not how charming they are. So a character with a low strength, but a good Con and Dex would have a fairly lightweight healthy appearance, and can be considered conventionally attractive. While high strength would show how physically fit your character is.

>>54493478
That's about right, though it's also simple force of personality. Someone with 1 Cha barely has a personality at all, he may be barely congizant of his own existence, while someone with 40 Cha likely makes you at a loss for words simply by being near them.

>Going to start a game in a published setting
>Decide to "animu it up" as a joke
>Cut 90% of the pantheon, rewrite the orgin of fiends/celestials, remove gnomes, start thinking about how the nations would change
Did I just start creating a setting? It started as a joke.

>>54493548
Go as far as you can.

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>>54493478
I agree, save the physical aspect. I've seen charisma used to represent physical appeal, and I understand the idea, it's just not my cup of tea.

I like charisma to be verbal and nonverbal communication. You can look incredibly attractive and allow that to carry you, but as soon as others start to perceive your body language or you start speaking, the jig is up.

Like >>54493508 said, it's about charm. And charm isn't necessarily physical. Also how intimidating one is, as I'm sure the kraken isn't going to wave its noodly appendage my way and I'm going to want to take it to see a movie. Effectively communicating a strong presence, be that intimidating or endearing.

I'd really like to see this more, as I've actually been told to change art because my character wasn't considered attractive enough.

>reading over old thread
>Rory and Rinka are shamelessly anime

Rinka yes but Rory why?

>>54493579

He has anime sex. We've seen that from logs, at least.

>>54493579
TOUCH
FLUFFY
TAIL

>>54493574
Derailing a little, let's also note that skills like Intimidate aren't solely impacted by their ability score modifier. I like to think that the impact CHA has towards a character's intimidation is solely a matter of how confident they can make a threat sound.

A character whose Intimidate is heavily impacted by their CHA would mostly be doing it through imposing their personality over others.

A character with high ranks in Intimidate but a low CHA would probably speak frankly and leverage their experience on what kind of threats should work.

A character who's substituting INT for CHA would pick certain words and let those carry them.

A character who's adding STR to CHA is finally at the point where they can stomp the ground and watch it crack.

>>54493659
I do so love Pummeling Style punching somebody to instant death, then flexing at my opponents.

>>54493659
Ranks imply actual experience. Having a high Cha alone simply means brute force of will.

>>54493574
I enjoy Charisma as a mental stat, but it brings the question of how pretty/handsome is the character, then? This occasionally comes up, and Charisma's really the only thing to use for it.

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>>54493508
>>54493529

To use my character Onryou as an example. I personally find her to be very attractive. And her Strength/Con/and Dexterity lends to a relatively good looking build.

However, she's got cha 7.
So far its manifested in a lack of self esteem with authority figures, in particular her father. (Good thing the bastard got eaten alive by cultists. And died faster than he could write us out of the will.) And also she's rather bad at dealing with verbal confrontations.

Now how to REALLY flesh out the character is how self aware they are about their own faults. Are they blissfully unaware, Or do they try to compensate?

Again looking at Onryou, She's probably the most talented chef in all of sandpoint. And she knows she's not the best with people. So she uses her talent at cooking to try to smooth things over with people ahead of time, or has most conversations with people where she takes the lead over a meal. That way the person's predispositions to her appearance and demeanor are tempered by "DAMN THIS IS GOOD NOODLES!!"

>>54493574
You are correct, and body language is probably about 60% of attraction. A person can have an awesome rack, but if they're slouching, or throwing their chest out, they're gonna look less attractive than the lady who subtly props their chest up by their arm while talking.

>>54493659
I once played a Magus that used Int to Intimidate but in addition to what you said followed it up by doing my best impression of Nolan Batman. His catchphrase when entering a room with some kind of situation was yelling "WHAT'S GOING ON, HERE?"

>>54493692
Not everything has to be an explicit stat, but I think the thing is also that like it or not, how you look really does matter for the first impression. A 10/10 gets better responses, no matter what they say and do, than a 0/10. In that sense, how you look is already rolled into high Cha, but it doesn't have ben everything.

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>>54493692
I usually just go for art in the case of how pretty somebody is. Expect some variance, as some people won't care, some people will care a great deal, some cultures will prefer certain body types over others, and so forth.

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Though i guess the best way to put it is this.

>>54493692
There's no practical way to quantify that under PF rules without running into a whole lot of issues. The issue isn't so much that Charisma is a bad score for it, but that Charisma covers so many other things that it becomes messy when you extend it to appearance as well.

It's better to just leave appearance as something described and not played with under gameplay mechanics in Pathfinder, if only for the sake of bookkeeping.

Potentially contentious opinion: Will saves should run off Charisma since Will is all about exerting your force of personality into resisting something.

>>54493659
I really liked to fluff up my Int-Intimidate as my wizard COMPLETELY disassembling my opponent's entire being. Like imagine just circling around the dude systematically pointing out every little flaw about the given person.

>>54493692
Not necessarily, charisma is purely a mental stat. You have your Physical stats for showing your character's body type.
> Charisma:
How charming you are. Characters with a good charisma would have a strong and imposing personality, that lets them do well with others.
> Strength:
How physically fit you are. Someone might light a fit-body type, so you could go with that
> Dexterity:
Fits the idea of Athletic characters. Someone with good dexterity would have a sort of slender build, probably a hawk-like face.
> Constitution:
First of all, this would be how healthy your character is. I would say that this has the most bearing on how conventionally attractive your character is. But it also needs some other stats to make a reference.

Good Con and good strength? Imagine a chaddish body-builder. If it's in the extreme of super good stats, you might have like a sort of Mr. Universe kinda guy.

>>54493798
It really should be the difference between inward versus outward personality. Being good with people doesn't give you the strength to perservere against all odds. Like Batman is completely terrible with people, but his WILLPOWER allows him to fight on despite everything that happens to him.

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>>54493715
It makes it a bit awkward when you want to aim for a character that's ugly, but inherently good at inspiring and leading, and plenty confident in his own forceful personality. Or the opposite; there are certainly real life examples of shallow, empty people who everyone thinks is gorgeous and wants to be with. This would affect different situations very differently.
I once played a hideously disfigured paladin who wore a mask and bandages (Think the Leper from Darkest Dungeon), but he was confident, bold, and brimming with personality. He even escaped my normal prejudice of paladins being boring for being particularly soft-hearted about making sure others weren't judged unfairly. He ended up a mayor of a pretty Lawful Good community. This wasn't in DnD or Pathfinder, and I can't imagine how I'd make a character like him in a system where "Charisma" is the only stat.

>>54493798
It's not uncommon for people to be good at imposing their will onto others but have weak wills themselves. Just like CHA skills aren't defined entirely by the CHA score, a character's Will save isn't defined entirely by their WIS. High WIS aids will because it gives the character the insight to understand the circumstances they're resisting against.

With this in mind you can also justify things like Paladin adding their CHA to their Will save because their oaths demand a consistency between who they are and what they represent.

Stats would make a lot more sense if there were not plentiful ways to change what skills run off of. Or if social rolls were handled off of a system that wasn't purely diplomacy. Currently all charisma actually does mechanically is opposed CHA checks generally for mind control type spells

>>54493798
Willpower is mental fortitude. You're not out-personalitying spells or fear, you're having strength of mind. That being said, I could understand some characters using Charisma.

>>54493798

I would say that there should be at least a Trait or feat that lets you do it.

It could go either way.

Mental fortitude could be wisdom.

Overpowering a foreign mental influence through your sheer sense of self could be charisma.

Hell i think there should be a Constitution to Will Saves via Flagellation.

>>54493830
I guess I'd just make him really high CHA, but tell the GM to penalize me when looks come into play. Him being morbidly disfigured really affected his development as a character.

>>54493799
>You have your Physical stats for showing your character's body type
Body type has nothing do with how actually attractive you are, and the physical stats don't actually tell you shit about your character's body type. Someone with 24 Str certainly doesn't look like a bodybuilder, while someone with 24 Dex doesn't need to be slender at all. They also have nothing to do with

>>54493798
Wisdom needs to be more well defined. As it is, I THINK it's supposed to be like, instinct or some shit, which would make Charisma the only thing that makes sense for Will to ping off.

>>54493815
Batman is terrible with people because he's antisocial, and his willpower is kind of unique. Ergo either his willpower comes from some feat, or his antisocial-ness should be represented with a Major Drawback. Possibly both.

>>54493830
It's not really awkward. Charisma includes both appearance and force of personality. Put it this way - if that paladin wasn't hideously disfigured, wouldn't he have even *higher* charisma? You could be getting 24 Charisma off his larger-than-life personality alone, but take -4 because fuck he's ugly, and you still end up with 20 total.

>>54493830
I actually adore ugly characters who are inspiring, funny, or terrifying, especially when they're scarred. I wish that were a thing I saw more with apps, as often as the characters are in battle.

>>54493863

Steadfast Personality grants Charisma to will vs. Mind Affecting which is 99% of all will based saves

>>54492898
>>54492946
What's the point of a Harvest Festival, anyway? An excuse to carouse and carry on? One needs no such thing.

>>54493815
You kidding? Batman is absolutely fantastic when it comes to dealing with people, it's just that when he has the mask on those skills are being focused into intimidating lawbreakers or scaring potential lawbreakers into not breaking the law. Unfortunately his mere presence is also something that brings all the crazies out to play, though you could say that's also a side-effect of being such a human force of nature (aka his Cha) that it has sort of the opposite effect on people crazy enough.

The biggest point supporting this is to show just how popular Bruce Wayne is when he's out in public. The man knows how to work the human mind in his favor in most any situation.

>>54493869
That averages out nicely, but makes things not really play out like they did in our actual campaign.
He was an abomination under the mask. Horribly corrupted, disgusting, and evil looking, with rotting flesh.
It was a big point that me removing that thing in front of anyone was a terrible idea. I once had a NG knight see my face and legitimately try to put me out of my misery, because he thought I had turned into an undead of some sort.

>>54493900
>You kidding? Batman is absolutely fantastic when it comes to dealing with people,

God no. There is good reasons he has a very strained relationship with the entire rest of the bat family at the best of times.

Dick Grayson, that's a guy with charisma.

>>54493898
Pretty much exactly that, yes. But that's only in-universe.
From an OOC standpoint, it's supposedly an avenue for character development.

But that's a load of shit. It's just an excuse to bait the thread and do cutesy/"comfy" bullshit that's basically just going to mean the PCs sit around and do nothing. Attention whores like SwimmingEagle and Disk post that same bullshit to the thread to feed their ego. And the rest of us get drowned out when we try to talk about anything but who's fucking who.

>>54493900
Even as Bruce Wayne I'd argue that he's got ranks rather than a CHA score. People think of him less as a fun sociable guy they want to be friends with and more as an irresponsible idiot that talks big and just throws his money around. I don't think he makes a good first impression.

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>>54493877
Yeah, especially when they're a brute that gets in the thick of it. I might give a nimble swashbuckling sort a pass, though.

>>54493948
I'm starting to think that the namefags talk highly about a game that isn't very good.

>>54493948

I hope you have a good day sir.

>>54493887
>>54493863

I just threw this together in like... 5 minutes. Might be cool

Flagellation
Through self inflicted pain, you power through enchantments and poor morale
Prerequisites: toughness, 5 ranks in Heal
Use Con to determine Will Save. As an immedate action, you may deal 1d8+str mod to yourself and gain 1/2 the damage delt as a bonus to your will save. This can be done after the roll is made but before the result is announced.

>>54493960
I don't know who you are, and I don't care, but your kind are what's wrong with everything /pfg/ has become.

>>54493869
I bet you're the kind of person that would then try to justify boosting his own charisma by +4, if he then paid a cleric to unfuck his face.

On another note. The Alignment system is completely terrible if you use it solely to justify what your characters think and do. Here's a couple ideas that shake up the system.
> A Rogue that behaves like a white-hat dude. He makes his living by breaking into people's houses in order to find out their security flaws, and gets paid in the process of doing so.
> Nihilist Paladin. Just do whatever you feel like doing, no gods, no moral codes.
> Utilitarianist paladin. Literally murder thousands of people to prevent mass starvation. Because the greater good demands it.

Tell me where these sit on the alignment chart? You can't tell me the rogue is LG because he literally breaks into people's houses for money, and you can't tell me he's chaotic because he's a law-abiding citizen.

>>54493898
The point of a Harvest Festival is sneakily getting the PCs together with the quest giver, anon!

>>54493990
I also hate the alignment system, but you have a misunderstanding of the problem with it. It's not bad because it's too narrow, it's bad because it's actually too broad. It's really easy to justify a lot of different alignments on the same characters because morality itself is a topic you can debate enough to find a lot of justifications.

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>>54493976

Speaking of Batman let's not kid ourselves and acknowledge that if we were to actually try and build him we'd have basically said to the GM "Can I roll my stats?" and then rolled nothing but 18's for every stat.

>>54494009
You've got more faith in this community than most, you poor deluded fool. Harvest festivals in /pfg/-land are only around to waste time.

Seriously, if you actually did something appropriate for Pathfinder and used it as an excuse for a sudden monster attack or murder mystery, you'd get your players quitting the campaign in protest over disturbing the "comfy" and the "lewd".

>>54493976
>>54493948
>>54493898

I'll be frank here, The Harvest Festival/Crystalhue was busy work. Something to use to highlight what we did during the 2 year time-skip between Rise of the Runelords and The Jade Regent.

I don't mind sessions where little happens besides character action, And Silly, our GM, is using these slow sessions to basically set up the entirety of the next act for us. Prepping maps, adjusting encounters, talioring the experience of Book one of Jade Regent to each party.

It serves an in-game and Meta purpose.

>>54493699
I want to best her in single, unarmed combat to prove my worth as a potential mate.
What's my alignment?

>>54493975
I don't 100% agree with Con for Will. If anything, being physically more resistant to the pain should lessen the effects of zealous flagellation. I like the idea, though.

>>54493815
Batman is PHENOMENAL with people. His Charisma is absurd. He just chooses to be a dick a lot.

>>54494045
Str - 17
Con - 18
Dex - 18
Int - 18
Wis - 18
Cha - 10
Starting Money - too much.

>>54494037
Pretty much exactly this. I typically design my characters with a spectrum of idealogies that they follow, while not rigidly applying only one idea to every problem. Then I slap a spot on the alignment chart and call it a day.

It pretty deeply bothers me earlier, when I wanted to find out how an artifact worked. And the DM decided that I was arbitrarily not allowed to do certain actions purely because of where I was on the alignment chart, namely anything 'perceived' as evil. Like how my wizard can't perform experiments with living test subjects, the Paladin can't interrogate people, and the monk apparently can't use the 'dirty trick' maneuver.

Even that's complete nonsense, since evil actions are largely relative, and extremely contextual. And even then they're similarly based on what philosophy you apply to them. Utilitarianism holds that you can literally commit genocide, so long as your actions benefit some greater good. Which even I think is complete bullshit, but it can sometimes be right.

>>54493976
You're not wrong~

>>54494111
Yeah, but he's semi-autistic in that he doesn't realize that they might get sour. Fucker's pushed a few robins too far in the past.
Also, he very often seems to "not get the joke" in Justice League whenever other heroes are enjoying themselves.

>>54493990
>You can't tell me the rogue is LG because he literally breaks into people's houses for money
Why not? That's his job, the homeowners are paying him to do it; they've given consent, so he's not breaking the law. And even if he was, a lawful character needn't follow the laws of the land.

>Nihilist Paladin
Even if you decouple the class from the alignment system, Paladins still have a code of conduct. This literally does not work within the bounds of the class. You're thinking of the Anti-Paladin, which is 110% this.

>Utilitarianist paladin
Again, nothing about alignment prohibits this, you're running afoul of the Paladin's code itself. If you want to be an edgy mother fucker who serves "teh gratr gewd" that's what Inquisitor is designed for.

>>54494083

Well that's how you become buddies with her. But more likely than not you'll just end up being just that. Buddies.

To REALLY romance her. You got to do the cheesy romance novel stuff, like serenade her or take her to a fancy dinner and a ball. She'll hate the fancy dinner and the ball, but she'll love the gesture.

>>54494142
You shouldn't be restricted in action unless you're a paladin or cleric. And even then, you're simply choosing to fall from grace; it shouldn't be impossible.

>>54494152
I think the whole Robin thing just has more to do with the fact that he didn't exactly have much of a childhood himself, his build probably has some kind of Drawback (or even maybe a Major Drawback) that gives him minuses to raising kids effectively.

Also I don't think it's so much that he doesn't get the joke as much as the fact that he doesn't laugh along.

>>54494162
A Paladin can absolutely be LG and be a nihilist. I mean without even touching on the classical version of the philosophy, a paladin can be a Hollywood nihilist just fine as long as he carries himself lawful and good. Having faith that things will work out isn't necessary to the alignment or the typical creed, the paladin just has to keep trying.

Utilitarian paladins are a classic archetype too. Antagonistic paladins that always try their hardest to do right and good no matter what who run counter to an adventuring party because their methods are different.

>>54493830
What I tend to think of Charisma as is Impact.

The impact you leave on people.

What that impact actually IS, being it attraction, fear, etc differs based on how you look and your intent, but basically, how much you stand out at whatever interpersonal thing you want to do.

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So what's a character concept you've always wanted to try, but never get the chance to use?

>Inb4 everything cause forever GM

>>54494174
I was playing as a wizard, so def. not.

I'd have to say that my favourite philosophy is Stoicism. I really want to play a paladin someday that subscribes wholeheartedly to it.
> "as social beings, the path to happiness for humans is found in accepting that which we have been given in life, by not allowing ourselves to be controlled by our desire for pleasure or our fear of pain, by using our minds to understand the world around us and to do our part in nature's plan, and by working together and treating others in a fair and just manner."

>>54494219
Utilitarianist paladins is quite literally the true archetype of "Lawful Stupid". "God says I need to save people, and I can save 20,000 people by killing 1000 people, therefore I'm justified".

The stoicist paladin would take a look at that situation and say, "That utilitarian guy is crazy. I'll just use my god's powers to create food and water to feed 200 people. It's the best I can possibly do, therefore it is right and just"

>>54494189
Still, someone with decent Charisma would be buddies with his allies that he works alongside nearly every day.
https://youtu.be/U8n-EcphCJA?t=48s

>>54494249
Chaotic Evil character who is very much Chaotic Evil but works with the party because they're friends.

>>54492342
>>54492390
>>54492426
I seriously hope you're not implying driders are even remotely better.

>>54494219
>the paladin just has to keep trying.
But that's not the example that was given. It was "no codes, no gods, do whatever the fuck you want."

>Utilitarian paladins are a classic archetype too
Again, that wasn't the example given.

>>54494189
Yeah he's not so much low-cha as much as he's often just portrayed as a humorless spod.

>>54494261
The true patrician route is Lawful Evil character
> My moral code requires me to work with my associates
> These guys put their trust in me, and I gave my word to them that we would work together. My word also happens to be the greatest law in the land.
> What's the point in taking over the world if my teammates aren't around to witness and glorify me doing it?

>>54494260
I'm sorry... but what the fuck is with that delivery?

It sounds like the voice actors are aliens who had never heard human conversation before, and were forced to read the script at gun point.

>>54494270
Well, I'm not much a fan of them either, but they've at least got the spider-ass, which puts them one-up over 'I'm wearing a weird skirt' girls up there.

>>54494261
Oh, I like it a lot. He's a dick, and has no personal moral compunctions with taking advantage of others, but his friends aren't into that and he likes his friends.
It can totally be justified, but might make for some interesting situations.
I'm currently playing a character who doesn't really have any empathy at all. He certainly doesn't go out of his way to do evil, but he's done a few things that make other members of the group uncomfortable without thinking about it.

>Also, tfw captcha won't let you pass until you click a door even though it isn't a fucking shelf.

>>54494318
Almost every Lawful Evil character I see is the same boring megalomaniac. Also I've played Lawful Evil a dozen times already. It's baby easy evil.

Neutral Evil is a lot more fun to play because it's easy to get a wide range out of it in any setting. My usual DM lets me LE in any game, NE in certain games, but he won't ever let me CE so I can't flex my roleplay muscles there and see what I can do with it.

>>54494336
Captcha's gone downhill HARD lately. Swap to Legacy captcha, it's so much less of a pain.

>>54494321
Meh, the voice acting's hit and miss, but I think the writing is amazingly human and down-to-earth.
https://youtu.be/Xl91v2Mvv94?t=1m

>>54494399
I love when they do things like this.

>>54494354
> Played a LE Lamia Wizard in a council of thieves game
> Complete foreigner, spoke in an indian accent.
> Moral code was: Always follow the absolute LETTER of my own word, never kill children, never harm associates.

For the most part I was just a wizard that assisted the party with item-creation, solved puzzles on their behalf, and did extensive deals with Devils in order to get favourable positions in the campaign. I always saw it as playing with a different toolset. Rather than help out people for free and goodwill, I help them purely so I can extort them for money or influence. Everything is either for my benefit or the party's benefit.

I'd always rather play LE for campaigns, as it lets me take a side of things that the rest of the party can't touch upon.
> Plot line goes bad?
Summon a Devil and make a pact with it for assistance.
> Party's very squishy, going up against guns?
Animate a bunch of undead, give them tower shields, and provide myself+allies with Hard Cover on command.
> Captured an enemy, and he's refusing to give up vital information?
Reanimate his ass as a Sentient Ghoul bound to my will, or better yet just brain him with a pickaxe and ask my handy Devil contact to do far better torture than anything I can do. Whichever one is realistically cheaper.

Sleep well, /pfg/. I hope your plans work out and you have lots of fun.

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>>54493887
>Add your Charisma modifier instead of your Wisdom bonus on Will saves against mind-affecting effects. If you have a Wisdom penalty, you must apply both your Wisdom penalty and your Charisma modifier.

>that second stipulation

>>54494596
I won't do any of these things.

>>54494620
WHAT HAPPENS IF I DUMP WIS AND CHA?

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>>54492191

what is the most effective way to seduce the dragon?

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>>54494042
>Are you ready? Hi ready, I'm Dad.
This almost made me try the game before I remembered I'm not interested in a single component of anything they're selling here

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>starting a new PUG game online
>6 players
>DM says we start in the dwarf lands, solving dwarf problems with mostly dwarf NPCs
>I make a dwarf paladin
>rest of the party is tiefling, elf, lizardfolk, catfolk, and an ifrit
>I have maxed charisma and diplomacy so the others let me be the face
>treat all NPCs with respect
>other party members act like drunken fools
>we kill a half-demon yeti and save some trapped dwarfs
>I take the gold bounty and tell the others that, as lead of the group, I'll hold onto the gold and approve their purchases on a case-by-case basis
>everyone spamming OOC chat telling the DM that I can't do that
>DM says they can resolve it in character
>two of the PCs actually attack me, a dwarf paladin, in front of the king
>defeat them both 1v2 because they're spellcasters and I have +15 to my saves
>king knights me as a paragon of dwarfdom
>players have a fucking hissyfit
>DM laughing his ass off
>I have all the gold
>no one shows up next session

Well, that was fun.

>>54494672
That's some seriously good marketing right there. I've no doubt the people who actually are interested in that sort of thing will jump right on it.

>>54494683

That PFG posters can't tell good marketing from relentless shilling I guess shouldn't surprise me considering what this thread is like

>>54494658
It depends on the dragon! Find out what she likes!

>>54494682
>dwarf paladin
Admit it, you expected this.

>>54494695
If it works, it's good marketing.

>>54494658
Dragons are easymode, you just bribe their affections with treasure.

The real question is how do you seduce Lamias?

>>54494699

Okay she likes burning the country side, eating livestock and collecting treasures from bygone eras...

Chocolate?

>>54494119
Batman has convinced everyone that the only person in town rich and motivated enough to be Batman is not Batman and kept a double life of socialite and warrior for like 40 years. Dozens of people get regular exposure to BOTH personas without suspecting anything. Like women he regularly rescues and talks to as Batman have a relationship with Bruce Wayne and hear both talk and have sex with this guy who has 300 suspicious scars covering his body. He has to be at a point where he literally cannot fail the skill checks involved, even when he rolls 1 and they roll 20.

>>54494682
Fucking lol, everyone not listening to the GM and making characters that don't fit the setting at all. This is exactly why I always insist on approving everyone's characters by hand, and let people know that they can't make characters that don't fit the general theme of the given setting.

> Setting is dwarflands, with huge fucking mountains and hard-ass people, who in turn have harsh, but fair laws.
> Kindly tell one of the players that I won't let them play a chaotic evil half-drow anti-paladin, and ask him to play something else.

>>54494719
Jokes on you, I'm the one playing as a lamia. Just give her a noodle. Or offer to take her to a fancy dinner.

>>54494658

just feed her untill she cant move, then she's helpless to resist your snuggles! In time, she'll grow to love and expect your embrace

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>>54494719
An actual shitload of pillows, to build a fluffy pillow fort!

>>54494763
>>54494784
Okay now what about a Sphinx? They're so intimidating with those smug looks and difficult riddles...

>>54494743
Well a Vigilante's Seamless Guise is plus fucking TWENTY at level 1, before literally anything else he could potentially put into it.

The Human FCB for Vigilantes is also +1/2 to that per level.

And then actual ranks. Class skill.

If Batman is level 10, then that's +38 to 'hiding my identity'

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>>54494354
Mine was a freiendly and rather sweet aberrent blooded sorceress who was friends with a neutral good bard and a lawful good fighter. She was calm, collected, a little disturbing to look at because her pupils were messed up as a result of her bloodline but otherwwise a very nice half-elven girl.

Until you threatened her friends. At which point she became a terrifying, ruthless, utterly merciless serial killer who carefully made sure her friends never found out about the horrible, horrible, horrible things she did to protect them. not because she was ashamed, but because she didn't want them to be concerned for her doing terribly dangerous things on their behalf.

Which is not at all how they would have reacted of course, but she wasn't entirely stable, perhaps.

>>54494774

ah yes, the "Through their stomach method."

7 out of ten times its effective, 9 out of 10 times its easier than you think cause all dragons are fat fucks.

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>>54494763

I don't really get it, but okay.

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>>54494809

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>>54494802
>>54494802

get her a onesie and your good

>>54494823
If you're going to go Hannibal Lecter, go HANNIBAL LECTER, man.

>>54494809
That's not lawful evil, that's just fucking edgy dude. Christ dude, try making better characters next time.

>>54494774

Oh... my

>>54494831
Shepherd is so good man it's not even fair.

Okay, now what about trying to seduce a harpy? I don't want to get my face clawed off!

>>54494249
I'm a foreverGM.

I mostly want to play defensive martials and keep making builds trying to get those to work. Like a legendary swordsman or assassin who has reached the point where other mundane combatants can't harm them.

Maybe because it's the most useless possible thing you can try to be in this game, and also basically hopeless at even doing that, without using 3pp that no one in my area would understand let alone GM. So it's maybe a forbidden fruit sort of thing.

Sometimes it's relieving to see other people trying to make weapon-using monks, or Flamboyant Arcana having shitmagi. Like there's other people as mentally unwell as me. We may not have the same fixations and ideas but they are all bad.

>>54494249
I just want to kill people with my mind.

/pfg/ was a mistake

>>54494915

so were you buddy.

>>54494875
I used to be obsessed with getting TWF hand crossbows to work in 3.5, it was a horrible time of my life I'm pretty sure. A style that doesn't even achieve "basically possible" status until you've sunk tons of feats and gold into it, and then you have to find a way to be actually effective.

I have always thought it is retarded that demons and angels cannot be known with knowledge religion roll.

>people using my name for no reason
y tho?
I don't get it.

>>54494802
Didn't someone here do a Sphinx PC race homebrew?

>>54494976
Maybe they think it's generic and used for posting builds or something. Because it's pretty generic.

>>54494956
Well they're not strictly religious figures in Pathfinder, usually. Besides, there's a lot of angels and demons that can disguise themselves and don't look like either winged pretty boys or big red guys with horns, so you need something other than what you get in a stained glass window to really know what you're up against.

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>>54492191

How would you use the great old ones in your campaign?

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I'm building a silly gestalt character for a silly PF game.

Is there a more interesting way to make a gestalt muscle wizard than just Monk // Wizard?

>>54495340
Maybe a monk|sorcerer going into dragon disciple? could help you become huge with those ability boosts.

>>54494734
Spec into crafting.
Increase the value of her hoard by reforming gold coins into works of art.
Even better if you can enchant items.

>>54494711
This.
Capitalism, ho!

>>54495340
Just make a barbarian who thinks he's an arcane spellcaster, and that both rage and many of his feats are magical in nature.

>>54494976
Please post your autistic Fighter build. The one which had like 600 HP and could rip&tear wizards.

>>54495458
And the other half of the gestalt?

>>54495340
>>54495360
This, with Scaled Fist on the monk side for maximum Cha synergy

Is there any way to make Perform checks key off of Int instead of Cha? I'm trying to make a Investigator skill monkey. Thespian actor by day, adventurer by night... or day... or anytime actually. Using empiricist and student of philosophy, I can key off more skills with int. I can be less MAD this way. It would be a nice bonus if I can get Perform Act to work with Int.

>>54495540
Why not bloodrager/scaled fist monk

>>54495534
Monk or fighter. The point is that he has 0 spellcasting abilities, but believes fully that anything amazing he does is magic.

>>54495587
Works well enough. Personally I'd prefer full casting because of some of the fun and thematic higher-level buffs like Iron Body.

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>>54495658
There's another idea for a musclewizard type. Dunno if it works for your character concept, though.

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So, been looking at the Occultist, specifically the Battlehost, in hopes of being able to make something inspired by pic related, when I came across something that's bugging me.

So, I've been looking at Panopolies, and while it does not say you need to have the implement to take the Panoply, it does say you have to have it on your person/wield it. However, as a Battlehost, your Weapon counts as the implement for all your Implement Schools. So I've been wondering, how does this interact with Panopolies? Would I be unable to use the Warrior Panoply? Would it still work? Or.would I just need to carry a shield? What if I instead made my Implement Weapon that new bladed shield or a spiked shield or something?

Or, if I don't go Battlehost, is there any way to let a cloak that functions as a shield for the Panoply

>>54495917
Why not make Panoply the mask of the knight?

>>54495931
Because the only Panoply with a mask is the Performer's Accoutrements, which don't fit the Hollow Vessel too well.

Unless you're confusing Panopolies with Implements. Remember, they're two different things.

>>54495980
Ok they really fucked up these rules
Because Psychic Anthology is its own book and the rules for Battlehost are not written with it in mind.
The panopoly in battlehost is just any item in the rules, not exactly some of the panopolies in Psychic Anthology

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>>54496032
I know that. I know they're different. What I'm asking is if the Battlehost is at all capable of benefitting from taking the Trappings of the Warrior Panoply, or if him having just his one sword as an Implement makes it impossible.

If not, I may instead try to use another archetype to make Hollow Vessel.

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>Another throws his lot in iron bamboozle.
Another broken heart by the end of next week...

O my son Absalom! My son, my son Absalom! If only I had died instead of you! O Absalom, my son, my son."

>>54496416
Let the bamboozling commence!

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/81935/essentia-our-last-days (Ends in 3 days)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/82673/iron-gods (Ends in 1 week) (high chance of bamboozle)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/83254/carnal-crown (Ends in 1 week)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/83277/the-fiends-and-intrigues-of-house-karvane (Ends in 3 weeks)

Someone should rate the Essentia applications before it closes!

>>54496507
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/82673/iron-gods (Ends in 1 week) (high chance of bamboozle)
>We'll be using Elephant in the Room Feat Taxes.
Bahaha, he thinks "feat taxes" is the name for the author's proposed remedy

>>54496807
Why don't you just self shill already

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When will someone apply with this as their pic?

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Is this what usually happens in /pfg/ games?

>>54496900
>>54496925
Looks like your answers are "pic related" and "yes" respectively

>>54496925
>in /pfg/ games?
When ESE/Touhoufag is involved, yes. And when any of most of the other inhabitants of /pfg/ are involved, too.

>>54496925
Are you going to post this every thread?

>>54496925
Holy fuck

I'm posting this from the frontpage, fuck pathfinder, but I know this fucker. I kicked him out of a FATE group before the game started.

Glad to know I dodged a bullet.

>>54497019
2hu is a treasure.

>>54497048
Wait is that 2hufag?

The one of merboy underwater drill fame?

>>54497048
In that you lock him away in a vault for his own protection?

>>54497019

Eh, 2Hu generally tries to keep at least loosely to the tone of games he's in. I've been in 2 FATE games with him. One died in the first session but that was due to another player throwing a shitshow rather than him.

>>54497101
>One died in the first session but that was due to another player throwing a shitshow rather than him.
Oh boy, what happened?

>>54497101
>loosely to the tone of games

So I guess some games have tone about getting mind controlled to do lewd things?

>>54497139
That describes about half of the pfg games right now

>>54497139
If for some reason you've decided to re-enact the Rocky Horror Picture Show, yeah maybe.

>>54497165
Which ones?

>>54497194
Dragons 1 and 2 I would imagine. And come to think if it I don't have the full list of running games.

>>54497101
>I've been in 2 FATE games with him. One died in the first session but that was due to another player throwing a shitshow rather than him.
Sounds like a standard FATE game senpai

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>>54497139
/pfg/ game about mind control when?

>>54497323
what exactly would it involve? maybe high-power aliens/foreigners infiltrating a weaker-willed society?

>>54497384
An all aboleth (or related creatures) game where you diddle the minds of fellow merfolk and the occasional pirate scrub looking for treasure down there.

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>>54497075
>The one of merboy underwater drill fame?
... what? Please explain.

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>>54497462
>it's BOTH an aquatic game and a mind control game

Muh dick.

>>54497462
>>54497384
Why not just make an Azlanti campaign set near the fall of the continent, when Aroden is encouraging people to follow him and the Masters are revving up the rock thrower?

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>want to make a /pfg/ game
>the market's way oversaturated
>never been a gm before
>never played online
>haven't played the game in over a year because of RL shit

>>54497075
>>54497489
Are you talking about the underwater game where someone played a pirate merman who took ships by drilling through the underside
Because Touhoufag was in that game but he wasn't the pirate driller, I was.

>>54497525
Oh christ BLloyd is that you?

>>54497538
God damnit, who is that?
MrJet?

>>54497538
Wait.
Fucking Thark?

How does one Hawkeye Gough?

>>54495585
I am going to guess that with zero responses after such time that there are zero options?

>>54495585
>>54497707
Inspired Rhetoric (Inquisitor 1, reformation Inquisition) lets you use wisdom for perform (oratory) and a couple other charisma skills, but that's it.

Has anyone here played a ranged magus? Was it a fun class to play? I have a friend who's thinking about playing one (a homebrew Spellslinger magus: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ANmc0UF7nRYhUUa9HFXYmxLNiG_4DXD_4WLMQwIHUI0 fixed the link), but isn't fully convinced.

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Have you done it yet?

>>54497745
Thanks for confirming that there is nothing for me in this regards. Oh well.

>>54497827
What does an immortal know about mortality?

>>54497757
Have you also looked at the eldritch archer archetype?

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>>54497845
I have. They really want to be a wizard with a gun, though. Emphasis wizard.

>>54497862
So, um Spellslinger Wizard isn't good enough then?

>>54497841
He's seen too many mayfly lives wither away.

>>54497908
It's the Spellslinger. What do you think?

>>54496807
I would, but there's no time and I'm also not gonna lower myself to Disk's level and review my own app

>>54493349
Bump

>>54498100
The Nosferatu is not a vampire as envisioned by Bram Stoker. They are not romantic, handsome men with aquiline noses and widow's peaks sipping blood-filled wine at lavish parties. The Nosferatu is a hideous progenitor of the vampire curse, sulking in the horror-shadowed places of the world and coming out only to sow terror across the countryside. The Nosferatu is why you learned to fear the night.

QUICK! There's no time, anon. The party is facing a horde of fiends and they know they can't face them on their own - so they've decided to Call an outsider for help. And for some reaso - probably meddling wizards again - that outsider is YOU.

What offerings do you require the PCs to present you with to grant them your aid?

>>54498145
>What offerings do you require the PCs to present you with to grant them your aid?

A gun with one bullet for each party member.

>>54498145
a cute kitsune girl, an at-will magic item of prestigititiaditation, and an item of at-will Alter Self

>>54498145
A vast supply of dry smoked sausage, and dibs on the soul of the first hot succubus we find.

>>54498145
>summoning the DM
There's only one price they can pay for that. Taking my place

>>54498145
I refuse to help and call their DM shit for allowing outsider binding.

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>>54498145
The power of cuteness.

>tfw every time someone says they'll run Iron Gods, it's a bamboozle
I don't know what to trust anymore. ;_;

>>54498216
>making a final stand against the demon horde, vastly outnumbered
>decide to call an outsider for aid, regardless of the cost it is better than the alternative
>your ritual completes and a scrawny man in a strange one-piece outfit appears
>he refuses to aid you and curses the name of some god you have never heard of called "Di-yem"
>what did you ever do to deserve this

>>54498247
>what did you ever do to deserve this
Well you DIDN'T do your research for one. What fucking skills would any of us have against a horde of PF demons?

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>>54498222
Oh and being the strongest, that too.

Reminder that we already have another thread, and to use that instead of posting a new one:
>>54492226
>>54492226
>>54492226

>>54498145
Their character sheets so I can fix whatever shit build they're using that got them into this situation in the first place.

>>54498145
I've got a 9mm and about 300 rounds since I'm headed to the range. So I guess a gunslinger

>>54496507
>1/2 of the campaigns are created by a dm with 0 hours played and being gm's of 1 game

so you know these two campaigns have 0 effort put into them at all so far, and unsurprisingly one of them is a lewd fetishbait

>thankfully, this community isn't dumb enough to fa-
>same two campaigns have the most views, applications and attention

stay classy, /pfg/. I'll be back in winter to see how awful you are then.

>>54498396
Alright, so let's look at what the GMs have done to make their games successful.
>Essentia is a custom campaign in a custom setting
>Essentia's GM barely reads the thread and instead works on the setting all the time, never shills
>Intrigue is a custom campaign in Golarion
>Intrigue's GM spent 2 weeks making a homebrew class and is now working on the setting, occasionally seen shilling in the thread

>Iron gods is just the AP
>Carnal Crown is just lewd!AP
>Literally zero GM effort required, leaving them with all the time in the world to shill

/pfg/ falls for shilling every time, it seems

>>54498396
Pfg will enter a new age of salt by then as every major game except PLD will have failed.

>>54497139
Yes, actually. Especially when it is made clear before and players have an option to back out of it.

Have you ever asked a player privately to RP having been secretly body swapped?

Any tips for me?

>inb4 put his soul in a sex doll

>>54497664
Divine Stalker Ranger with Air Blessing and Gravity Bow. User oversized bow to taste.

>>54497862
Well with one or two feats you can use the old black powder with your eldritch archer. Just a thought.

>>54497707
The Clever Wordplay trait swaps int to 1 cha skill.

>>54499079
That is a cool trait. However, if I plan to use student of philosophy, I can't use it. They are both social trait. Same with Bruising Intellect.

>>54499311
Oh fuck, my bad. Yeah, you might be boned.

>>54498471
Didn't seem like Ensoulment was self-shilled.

>>54499328
Well with background skills and if I don't tank my charisma score, I should be able to make my thespian actor actually act decently.

Friendly reminder to migrate:
>>54492226

>>54492191
Why do you always make these threads using weeb bait?

>>54499328
Well with background skills and if I don't tank my charisma score, I should be able to make my thespian actor actually act decently.